That was amazing. You actually took the time to use the technology that is available today and used it in the proper manner. By doing the proper research and getting to the root of the problem, you took all the guess work out of the equation, Saving the owner money, you made more money in less time. That is a win, win, if there ever was a win, win.
Wow ! You are what an actual “Technician “ is supposed to be ! Unfortunately Most are just parts replacers, Nice run through process. You would be my go to guy for everything.
2-24-2024 the day OZ mechanics saved me some money tell me why i checked those diodes and it was backward my car was down for a year trying to figure it out my dude THANK YOU man seriously means alot .....
Thank you sir I thought my tcm was bad I did everything but check fuse because I didn’t think it had one. You literally just saved me 1200$ gave you thumps up and subscribed
Thanks! I was bracing my self for the $1200 TMC replacement I was told was most likely the reason I had tmc lost communication. I watched the video and just bought the relay on a prayer…just like that all was good!
Everytime I see your videos I just say to myself that guy's good. When you love what you do its all easy. You fixed my F150 about three weeks ago and I knew then you were the man. Keep making those videos and remember people gonna hate you cause they ain't you. God bless
I couldn't figure this out as I never subscribed to anybody you are so awesome and cool dude I am truly impressed by your knowledge just had saved me so much time as soon as I get a little bit of cash on my card I will buy something off you thank you have a great day you're awesome
THANK YOU! Great Troubleshooting job. Good instructor too. I have a 96 Jeep Cherokee that will not go into any gear and move. It will shift out of park to R to N, D to 1-2 but no movement. I have a troubleshooting light and may just try to trace the TCM signal like you did here. Just to make sure I am getting the voltage. I have never used the trouble light but there is a first time for everything! Especially when you made it so clear.
Justo estoy pasando por este problema, muchos mecánicos le han metido mano a mi mi auto y lo han dañado del sistema de enfriamiento y ahora perdió comunicación con la TCM. He testeado los fusibles y parecen tener conexión pero revisaré les relays y todo a mayor profundidad esperando resolver el problema. Muchas gracias por este gran video ha informado de mucho!
Diodes can overheat and blow just like a fuse, which is probably why the are placed in a way that allows easy replacement. Unfortunately the little knob on the side didn't prevent if from being replaced backwards. I rarely find occasion to use the diode testing tab on my multimeter, but testing a diode is very easy, and you can even assess forward voltage drop. Excellent case study!
@@liviu2004 Yes, Zener diodes in particular have a breakdown voltage which makes them useful for overvoltage protection. If reverse voltage spikes too high, the diode allows a path to ground, which protects other more sensitive devices in the circuit from overvoltage. Like a fuse, it is hopefully positioned to fail at a spot that is hopefully easy to repair.
Also, one can use a LOW VOLTAGE ohmmeter to test the diode. It will show higher resistance when polarity is applied backwards. I capitalized the low voltage wording to prevent someone from frying an otherwise good diode while testing.
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As a hvac tech for 20 years, I stay by my volt meter. Its your closest ally in a world of tecnocracy! Find shorts in a bundle of wires quick. Ohm out your wires guys!!
First of all. Your instruction was simple and amazing. You showed visual papers, steps with instruction etc. I need to check my TCM Relay for shifting issues. I notice a pattern with car of fuse and sensory blown out. I will check this out before anything else.
Thank you bro! I wasn’t getting any power to the 15a with the test light, went over to the relay and there wasn’t a black cover over it, so i changed the fuse and relay everything went back to normal nomore limp mode. I really appreciate you bro!
Hey man do you happen to be Dodge Charger owner? And we’re your fuses bad or not put in properly? I’m going through the limp mode thing. Car has been down 2 weeks and I miss my v8 😞
Always good to look over fuses and see if you notice one out of line first also and often saves even more time but yeah great job going through the process for people is even better
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Helped a lot had same issues on same year and model with a new motor to and but mine was the wire under the 15 amp fuse in the box that was not making contact but your video took me to the area of the problem. Thanks for taking the time to do video
Your only person I've found that explains it and shows diagrams that makes sense to me. Thank you. This is going help me get my jeep shitbox fixed finally 😄
Thankyou soooo much you saved me .. I don’t have words to say lot of respect and God bless you.. i went to sooo many garage but they cant find the solution.. finally your video helped me ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for Fixing my Car! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🩸🩸 OZ You never let me down Bro Only mechanic I TRUST And Great Prices !! Always Quick & fast Getting me Closer to gettin on that road & back on they ass 🏁🏁 6.1 Liter SRT8 GANG!! 💨 🤘🏽
Hey can you give me some advice on what to do after replacing the TCM sensor on my 06 dodge charger ,do I have to reset anything to get the new one to function,I hooked it up but no difference ,I was thinking I probably pose to then reset the computer to connect with new TCM sensor, for it to work, please help on what to do please ...
The "Tech" who installed the diode backwards thinks diodes are like fuses, which can be installed either way. Additionally, he has no power of observation for details, such as the keyed bump on the diode jacket, to indicate proper polarity insertion into the board. Thank you for the video.
Always great videos Oz, thank you. I have a 2006 Charger that I'm struggling to fix an intermittent stalling issue. Like many of your videos, I have been to several different shops now and none of them can figure it out. You wouldn't happen to know anyone in the NJ/NY area that knows what you know and works like you do?
@@OzMechanics Thanks for the reply. I'm in South Amboy NJ, zip code 08879. It's only a few minutes from Staten Island, NY. I'd be happy to pay for their time to come over to me as it is not starting at all now, or I'd take it over to them. Thanks again!
Wow you did great..thesethings can give a real, haeadache believe me i know...made me look for a faulty fuelpump for days and see where the problem came from even bought a new one..but with the help online with a guy who knows allot lot like you , we found the problem
Thanks man you are awesome, and this ain't even my problem but you fixed it so well, I kinda wish it was my problem cause atleast I know it would be fixed after you , so thanks on behalf of whoever may have this problem and hopefully I don't , but at least learning from you it would get fixed thanks man ...
great video-replaced CP3 injector pump-then tried AC abd clutch didnt engage(refrig ok) i can get to all the modules with a scanner and get many U codes--truch runs fine
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Where did you get you wiring diagram I got a 2014 rt challenger and literally just had the transmission replaced and it popping up the same code lost communication with Tcm please point me in the right direction so I can figure this thing out
Where can i find this in audi a4 b7 tfsi engine, there is only 1 box of fuse at the corner end of dashboard, i could not find a fuse box in engine bay.
Thanks for the great video I just have a question you might be able to help me out with ,I've lost communication with my TCM on a 2009 2500 silverado I've checked fuses but haven't gone any further ,do you know if the TCM would have a diode or a relay in a 2009 model I've tried to download wiring diagrams but cant real see any ,Thank you for any info Dave
Oh my Gosh very nice video . Someone pull out diode but obviously knows nothing about diodes are for ? Well , its crazy but true it happens 1 in a 100 . Greetings from Venezuela. Nice video very technical support.
Good video ! Question if I have check engine light on and I get no code eccept secondary codes what do I do? Secondary are no communication with tcm and crankshaft sensor? My car stalls sometimes, and even dies sometimes, also engine light will sometimes even go off but got it tested 3 times when it was on, literally getting no first/main codes. Just secondary(possible problems, nobody can figure it out. I have 2010 dodge avenger 2.4 Any ideas? Would really appreciate it
My rear bix fir srt8 14 charger dont have this fuse fir tcm like hiw is in this vid!! Can u confirm if srt8 fuse lication is diffrent for the TCM fuse location? Ty
@@OzMechanics I have a 2008 mazda 6 2.3L. I do have a scanner and got a u0101 as well as a gear ratio mismatch. Also a missing can message code on the pcm. The only thing left to check is power, ground, and can wires. And thanks by the way. I found your video very helpful.
So I have a 2012 dodge charger code u1467 impauseable shift delay any ideas ? Has the 8 speed trans with the electronic shifter which I replaced still same issues
You are damn good Boi! I felt at first like you just one of those guys who likes to just talk and waste time but dam Boi your slow methodical approach was outstanding...got dam Boi you helped me out tremendously!thank you!
Bro on please reply.... said car I'm speaking of is a 06 Chevy HHR LT 2.4l Wat in the world would make my t/c and security light comes on and boom my trans starts acting wierd dash gauges go crazy and all my warning lights flash aswell?? And I have already tried grounding the TCM to the ground on the shock tower but hadn't fixxed it!! But if I pull over and shut it off and wait for let's say 5 mins and start it back up it's back to normal and drives great and all!! but here recently it's been doing it everyday more then once?? The ground wires are solid fuse box is solid and fully seated with the harness plugs and tight... I'm sitting here left clueless
have the same I have the same exact car in my transmission keeps on going into limp mode every time I put it in the drive seconds later like 15 seconds later it kicks in the neutral could this be the problem
Unless someone mode the diode like the previous person that worked on the car. If no one has worked on it a proper diagnosis has to be done to figure the issue
Use to work for some Shady mec that would no how to through codes to charge people for things and it was just a flip fuse. And charge for Tom and program 600 dollars
That was amazing.
You actually took the time to use the technology that is available today and used it in the proper manner.
By doing the proper research and getting to the root of the problem, you took all the guess work out of the equation,
Saving the owner money, you made more money in less time.
That is a win, win, if there ever was a win, win.
Wow ! You are what an actual “Technician “ is supposed to be ! Unfortunately Most are just parts replacers, Nice run through process. You would be my go to guy for everything.
2-24-2024 the day OZ mechanics saved me some money tell me why i checked those diodes and it was backward my car was down for a year trying to figure it out my dude THANK YOU man seriously means alot .....
Dude this is awesome. I’m glad this video helped out. Thanks for watching
This video saved me so much money!!! I was about to replace my whole TCM module.. Thanks for the information 👍
Thank you sir I thought my tcm was bad I did everything but check fuse because I didn’t think it had one. You literally just saved me 1200$ gave you thumps up and subscribed
Awesome to hear that brother. Thanks for watching
Thanks! I was bracing my self for the $1200 TMC replacement I was told was most likely the reason I had tmc lost communication. I watched the video and just bought the relay on a prayer…just like that all was good!
Sorry TCM transmission control module
Everytime I see your videos I just say to myself that guy's good. When you love what you do its all easy. You fixed my F150 about three weeks ago and I knew then you were the man. Keep making those videos and remember people gonna hate you cause they ain't you. God bless
You are a wizard! I wish I could find someone as experienced and thorough as you to fix my wiring Can issue
Agree
Right
I couldn't figure this out as I never subscribed to anybody you are so awesome and cool dude I am truly impressed by your knowledge just had saved me so much time as soon as I get a little bit of cash on my card I will buy something off you thank you have a great day you're awesome
despite leaving the field i am still watching your videos and let me tell you you are one hell of an instructor , thanks for your videos
THANK YOU! Great Troubleshooting job. Good instructor too. I have a 96 Jeep Cherokee that will not go into any gear and move. It will shift out of park to R to N, D to 1-2 but no movement. I have a troubleshooting light and may just try to trace the TCM signal like you did here. Just to make sure I am getting the voltage. I have never used the trouble light but there is a first time for everything! Especially when you made it so clear.
Justo estoy pasando por este problema, muchos mecánicos le han metido mano a mi mi auto y lo han dañado del sistema de enfriamiento y ahora perdió comunicación con la TCM. He testeado los fusibles y parecen tener conexión pero revisaré les relays y todo a mayor profundidad esperando resolver el problema. Muchas gracias por este gran video ha informado de mucho!
I just want to say thank you from all us car guys ! Fixed my issue
Diodes can overheat and blow just like a fuse, which is probably why the are placed in a way that allows easy replacement. Unfortunately the little knob on the side didn't prevent if from being replaced backwards. I rarely find occasion to use the diode testing tab on my multimeter, but testing a diode is very easy, and you can even assess forward voltage drop. Excellent case study!
@@liviu2004 Yes, Zener diodes in particular have a breakdown voltage which makes them useful for overvoltage protection. If reverse voltage spikes too high, the diode allows a path to ground, which protects other more sensitive devices in the circuit from overvoltage. Like a fuse, it is hopefully positioned to fail at a spot that is hopefully easy to repair.
Also, one can use a LOW VOLTAGE ohmmeter to test the diode. It will show higher resistance when polarity is applied backwards. I capitalized the low voltage wording to prevent someone from frying an otherwise good diode while testing.
if bring to local mechanic may tell you need to change $ 1000's xyz modules along with $100's labor fee
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I liked your step by step procedure for hunting down the problem.
First of all. Your instruction was simple and amazing. You showed visual papers, steps with instruction etc. I need to check my TCM Relay for shifting issues. I notice a pattern with car of fuse and sensory blown out. I will check this out before anything else.
Thank you bro! I wasn’t getting any power to the 15a with the test light, went over to the relay and there wasn’t a black cover over it, so i changed the fuse and relay everything went back to normal nomore limp mode. I really appreciate you bro!
Hey man do you happen to be Dodge Charger owner? And we’re your fuses bad or not put in properly? I’m going through the limp mode thing. Car has been down 2 weeks and I miss my v8 😞
Always good to look over fuses and see if you notice one out of line first also and often saves even more time but yeah great job going through the process for people is even better
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Helped a lot had same issues on same year and model with a new motor to and but mine was the wire under the 15 amp fuse in the box that was not making contact but your video took me to the area of the problem. Thanks for taking the time to do video
Your only person I've found that explains it and shows diagrams that makes sense to me. Thank you. This is going help me get my jeep shitbox fixed finally 😄
Thankyou soooo much you saved me .. I don’t have words to say lot of respect and God bless you.. i went to sooo many garage but they cant find the solution.. finally your video helped me ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Awesome. Glad to hear this video helped out
Thanks for Fixing my Car! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🩸🩸 OZ You never let me down Bro Only mechanic I TRUST And Great Prices !! Always Quick & fast Getting me Closer to gettin on that road & back on they ass 🏁🏁 6.1 Liter SRT8 GANG!! 💨 🤘🏽
It a 5.7 🤣
I'd feel your emotion as soon as I heard the click after you placed the fuse in its right position, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Excellent work Oz !!! Clearly explained and well shot to link image to verbal explanation !!! Big thumbs up !!!
Thank you Oz. Good job again. Have a blessed and safe week to you and your family.
Maaan your the coldest I will most definitely keep using your page as my new go too
Appreciate it. Thanks for watching
You now have a new subscriber , I'm on board let's get it done ...
Awesome. I’m working on a new video as we speak showing what Amazon spark plugs can do to a car
Hey can you give me some advice on what to do after replacing the TCM sensor on my 06 dodge charger ,do I have to reset anything to get the new one to function,I hooked it up but no difference ,I was thinking I probably pose to then reset the computer to connect with new TCM sensor, for it to work, please help on what to do please ...
Follow the process every time. Amazing how often it's something simple 😜
Dude you need to move to Greenville sc so i can pay you to work on my car...😂 excellent video!!
A dealership would've said you need a new transmission.
And they would have charged ya for a new one!!
Exactly what they did for me and still it acts up 😢
Without hesistation!!😂😂
Que chingon video!! Very helpful i fixed m y car with this video..muchas gracias!!💪💪💪
Thanks for stopping by and watching Rodolfo
The "Tech" who installed the diode backwards thinks diodes are like fuses, which can be installed either way. Additionally, he has no power of observation for details, such as the keyed bump on the diode jacket, to indicate proper polarity insertion into the board.
Thank you for the video.
Always great videos Oz, thank you. I have a 2006 Charger that I'm struggling to fix an intermittent stalling issue. Like many of your videos, I have been to several different shops now and none of them can figure it out. You wouldn't happen to know anyone in the NJ/NY area that knows what you know and works like you do?
I have a couple of friends that work in NY. What part do you live at ?
@@OzMechanics Thanks for the reply. I'm in South Amboy NJ, zip code 08879. It's only a few minutes from Staten Island, NY. I'd be happy to pay for their time to come over to me as it is not starting at all now, or I'd take it over to them. Thanks again!
Tech installed defects. Nice job sir
EXCELLENT VIDEOING, PROCESSING, VOLUME FOR VIDEO YOU HAVE A GREAT GIFT FROM GOD, THANKS!
Wow you did great..thesethings can give a real, haeadache believe me i know...made me look for a faulty fuelpump for days and see where the problem came from even bought a new one..but with the help online with a guy who knows allot lot like you , we found the problem
thanks for your time to teach, good job God bless you
Good work. Gotta have the diode in the orientation.
You are good Diagnostic
Great video saved me a ton of time and money
Thanks man you are awesome, and this ain't even my problem but you fixed it so well, I kinda wish it was my problem cause atleast I know it would be fixed after you , so thanks on behalf of whoever may have this problem and hopefully I don't , but at least learning from you it would get fixed thanks man ...
great video-replaced CP3 injector pump-then tried AC abd clutch didnt engage(refrig ok) i can get to all the modules with a scanner and get many U codes--truch runs fine
great info oz this video helped me repair my 07 srt8 u0101 thanks for the very imformative video☺☺
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I don’t see the tcm anywhere. They told me it was underneath the power steering but it’s not. 2012 Dodge Charger 3.6L Gas.
Cool fix. I have a 2010 Mazda with that same issue. What am I looking at $ to diagnose this?
Thanks you for this video man 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
OZ you always impress me, can you do a video on analyzing Mercedes transmission code e.g sporadic, implausible codes
good diagnose Oz
A diagram is a techs best friend💯
Bro! Thank you so much for this video it’s helped so much! Was able to get my car running again, your a life saver ha👍🏻
Awesome. Glad to know this video helped out
Where did you get you wiring diagram I got a 2014 rt challenger and literally just had the transmission replaced and it popping up the same code lost communication with Tcm please point me in the right direction so I can figure this thing out
Great video! What is this Snap On Diagnostic Tool model you are using? Thanks
It’s the second generation. Verus d10
Thanks i put diode in back wards Thanks for video was getting crazy frustrated til video
Where can i find this in audi a4 b7 tfsi engine, there is only 1 box of fuse at the corner end of dashboard, i could not find a fuse box in engine bay.
Awesome, this is one video that I'm saving. Thank you
Good work man! Damn i need a mechanic like you around
Hey awesome video. Where can I get a wiring diagram for a 2014 Chrysler 300
Thanks for the great video I just have a question you might be able to help me out with ,I've lost communication with my TCM on a 2009 2500 silverado I've checked fuses but haven't gone any further ,do you know if the TCM would have a diode or a relay in a 2009 model I've tried to download wiring diagrams but cant real see any ,Thank you for any info Dave
Troubleshooting 101 right here folks. Unfortunately, most would just start throwing parts at it.
Oh my Gosh very nice video . Someone pull out diode but obviously knows nothing about diodes are for ?
Well , its crazy but true it happens 1 in a 100 .
Greetings from Venezuela. Nice video very technical support.
I learned something new, you're awesome. Thakyou , you're doing a great job.
Congrats on that video !! Muy bueno !!👍👍
your videos are so addicted!!!
Nice work bro,thanks for this video.
nicely done OZ
Good video ! Question if I have check engine light on and I get no code eccept secondary codes what do I do? Secondary are no communication with tcm and crankshaft sensor? My car stalls sometimes, and even dies sometimes, also engine light will sometimes even go off but got it tested 3 times when it was on, literally getting no first/main codes. Just secondary(possible problems, nobody can figure it out. I have 2010 dodge avenger 2.4 Any ideas? Would really appreciate it
Where are located Im in need of some assistance on my vehicle with similar problem
Why can't I find a fucking honest mechanic like this? Tired of getting ripped off
They’re out there like every other profession. Recommend checking out google reviews when looking
Your sharp as hell !!!! Good work !!!!!
awsome work,,do you have a similar fix for a 2009 Chevy Impala 3.5, half the fuses legs won't light up,transmission only drives in reverse
Thanks for being who you are ... I just subscribe and. Will watch all videos.. keep up with the great job ...
Is the rear fuse bix same in later year srt8 charger ? Will the TCM fuse be in same location? Great vid ❤
My rear bix fir srt8 14 charger dont have this fuse fir tcm like hiw is in this vid!! Can u confirm if srt8 fuse lication is diffrent for the TCM fuse location? Ty
Great find 🔧👊🏼
Where did you get the wiring diagrams? Thanks.
What is the name of the code scanner that you are using?
Where you from man , I'm having this issue with my 300 srt 6.1 just watched ur video I will try this on my car see if that was the issue
Hi how are u do u mind helping me out I have a 2010 Chevy cobalt and it’s a no crank no start
You made it look easy bro! Great work! Where do you get your schematics from?
you're the real deal.... congrats!
🤗
I need a tcm programmed. Other than a stealership how can I get it done?
What car do you have and do you own a scan tool by any chance ?
@@OzMechanics I have a 2008 mazda 6 2.3L. I do have a scanner and got a u0101 as well as a gear ratio mismatch. Also a missing can message code on the pcm.
The only thing left to check is power, ground, and can wires.
And thanks by the way. I found your video very helpful.
Where did you get those relay breakout /test box kit? I have never seen that before
So I have a 2012 dodge charger code u1467 impauseable shift delay any ideas ? Has the 8 speed trans with the electronic shifter which I replaced still same issues
I have a 2013 Dodge Charger that won’t shut off it keep saying car is not in park could the tcm be the problem should I replace it or check my fuses
Nice job, you make things look easy .👏👏
Alllllllllot of training
You are a semi god on cars
Nicely done.
This is a grate video. Amazing.
Thanks for watching. Feel free to watch the camaro series that’s one of my favorite videos I’ve worked one
You are damn good Boi! I felt at first like you just one of those guys who likes to just talk and waste time but dam Boi your slow methodical approach was outstanding...got dam Boi you helped me out tremendously!thank you!
Bro on please reply.... said car I'm speaking of is a 06 Chevy HHR LT 2.4l Wat in the world would make my t/c and security light comes on and boom my trans starts acting wierd dash gauges go crazy and all my warning lights flash aswell?? And I have already tried grounding the TCM to the ground on the shock tower but hadn't fixxed it!! But if I pull over and shut it off and wait for let's say 5 mins and start it back up it's back to normal and drives great and all!! but here recently it's been doing it everyday more then once?? The ground wires are solid fuse box is solid and fully seated with the harness plugs and tight... I'm sitting here left clueless
Great man
How can I get in touch with you?
Hey man where did u get those pages having same trouble whit a 6.1 srt8
have the same I have the same exact car in my transmission keeps on going into limp mode every time I put it in the drive seconds later like 15 seconds later it kicks in the neutral could this be the problem
Unless someone mode the diode like the previous person that worked on the car. If no one has worked on it a proper diagnosis has to be done to figure the issue
Where can I those diagrams. Books like haynes and Chilton is no longer sold in store. And alldata is too expensive
Prodemand diy
www.alldata.com/diy-us/en/find-vehicle
Can you help me fix a 2000 ce toyota corolla with a 0700 code smh im tired I fixed all my other codes and im lost
really informative thank you
Great job bro
You are good professional I like your way to diagnose 👍🏻
Use to work for some Shady mec that would no how to through codes to charge people for things and it was just a flip fuse. And charge for Tom and program 600 dollars