Excellent you did what I suggested. This track is much better than Monza to compare the cars. You can see the F2004 dominants on the fast sectors and how much the W11 caught up and even overtook in the corner sections.
Even if they bring back the V10 I highly doubt it gonna reach 19000 rpm due to multiple factors like fuel flow limit, requirement to use 3-4 engines per season instead of a single engine per race weekend, etc.
With modern slick tires, the F2004 as well as the F2002 in Ferrari events are faster than any modern F1, as well as some other F1s from 2002 and 2004 such as BMW, are so much faster that the FIA prohibits publishing time data when The cars are driven by factory drivers using maximum power! For example in Monza, where an F2002 recently ran there in tests with modern slicks and those who were present said it was more than 10 seconds faster than the track record! The same two years ago in the Netherlands, Motoya used a 2002 BMW with just 85% of power and was almost 5s faster than the best time on the track set by Verstapen!
I'm heavily doubting those claims, can you back it up using sources? I don't think slick tyres on an F2002 makes you 10 seconds quicker than the track record at Monza, no.
@@thecubeheadguy6747The engine dont work as you think..the engine of f2004 dont work in today cars and the opposite😉dont say bullshits..so f2004 with drs vs todays cars with drs also and slick tyres I think f2004 faster
@@thecubeheadguy6747bruh. You can't just do that lol. It's not like a tyre exchange. If you want 100 kg less and a different engine you'd have to rebuild the entire car to teh point where you reach something more similar to the f2004 than to the w11
Yes, if use virtual v10 sound. Put speakers at rear of the f1 car. Then control v10 sound from steering wheel monitor, the audiences will hear the screaming of v10 sound during the race. Maybe this way will increase the ticket sales or tv views rating.
@@geuros yeah thx for it's light and aerodynamic since fia in the first years of the 2000s did everything to make them slower under 300kmh but the teams always found where to get more speed lol
They shouldn't remove the DRS, but the hybrid system, after all the DRS is part of the car's chassis, it was designed to have DRS, the hybrid system can be deactivated, so the dispute becomes very Unequal due to the lower drag of the F2004, the DRS would give more equality to the dispute
Cara, vou fazer uma mini crítica para comparar eles melhores Para os carros modernos, tirar o ERS é bem zoado, pois os motores foram projetados para funcionar com ele e o peso iria influenciar muito O mais justo seria só tirar o DRS mesmo, e colocar os pneus sliks na f2004 ^^
@@OnçaPintuda-v0 ela vai estar com os slicks kkkk aqueles pneus de ranhuras era o "drs" dos anos 90/2000 uma regra para melhorar a segurança e desacelerar os carros "tirando a aderência" kkkkkk não sei onde tinha segurança nisso kkk
@@OnçaPintuda-v0 só acho injusto tirar o ERS dos carros modernos pq o tamanho e peso deles é justamente por causa disso kkk Aí o mais justo pra mim pelos menos seria Modernos : sem drs Antigos : pneus atuais slicks Ia ser uma corrida braba =D
No, because the W11 has a higher level of downforce. The V10 era cars had no where near the level of downforce the W11 has and the F1 cars got bigger during the turbo hybrid era for downforce purposes.
@@TheHabsification Actually, the V10s had way more downforce than they are given credit for. The grooved tires not only had, you know, grooves, but were also of much harder compounds than the current tires. If you gave them modern soft slicks, on a track like spa, with long straights and a few medium-high speed corners, I don't doubt that they would definitely challenge modern cars. They had much greater aerodynamic efficiency (as in the balance between drag and downforce). They might have had less downforce, but were WAY less draggy. Couple that with being much lighter and voilá. More so, I'm pretty sure that a 2007/8 car, with modern slicks and a V10 would absolutely SMOKE a modern car. Too bad they generated too much dirty air.
I think there is too much bias here for the Ferrari. Yes, it sounds amazing and is crazy fast given the grooved tires. But I don't think the Turbo Hybrid V6 cars get enough respect for how fast they are. They don't sound amazing, but honesty, neither did the Turbos of the 1980s. Even so I would have love to seen those V10 cars on slicks!
@@razor_ramon_ Now give slicks instead of grooved tyres to the F2004... That's the biggest difference here. The soft slicks are about 2 seconds or more per lap faster than any of the grooved tyres back in the day. They were extremely good tyres but they are never going to grip as much as full slicks.
Si intentas igualarlos quitándole al 2020 el DRS y ERS, añade al de 2004 el límite de caudal de 100kg/h que tienen los motores actuales y que le quitan un montón de hp
Spa is the best track to test any car cuz it's got the long straights & good combination of low, mid & high speed corners Monza it just a top speed & slipstream fest
They use ERS in race trim they just don’t deploy it aggressively, in this video it looks like it was shut down completely by how slow it was in the straights
@@Sawadazthen remove 100kg from the W11 because the F2004 isn't that heavy. Is it meant to be a challenge or is the F2004 the only car that meant to have a chance here? 😂
@@thesciencesphere4273 How about this? Reduce the weight of the W11 by 200kg, but give the same soft tyres it has to the F2004. The Ferrari will lap 2-3 seconds quicker then the Mercedes.
Ferrari F1 2004 was a Msterpiece of a race Car. Still now in 2024 twenty Years later, thats amazing Motor sound bring me back in the era where Formula one means really emotion, unforgettable.
W11 was, IMO, illegal. The fact they were allowed to use DAS when no other team had it as well as the unfair sporting advantage makes it an illegal driver aid. I will never ever acknowledge the W11 as a great car. To me its just a cheatmobile.
MERC: "Let's innovate something that's within the rulebook this year" Random guy in RUclips: I will never acknowledge this as a great car MERC: OH NOOOOO
Now put the Ferrari on slicks and give drs etc back to the merc
Giving Merc ERS rather than DRS makes more sense (justifies the extra weight and deployable power).
Excellent you did what I suggested. This track is much better than Monza to compare the cars. You can see the F2004 dominants on the fast sectors and how much the W11 caught up and even overtook in the corner sections.
Imagine if we pit F2004, W11, RB16B, RB20, RENAULT R26 and McLaren MP4/4 to a special race at Special Stage Route 7.
F2004 sounds is incredible, i really hope someday F1 sound like this
Actually the sound of a V6 engine can be good, if only the engine rpm were around 18,000rpm
Even if they bring back the V10 I highly doubt it gonna reach 19000 rpm due to multiple factors like fuel flow limit, requirement to use 3-4 engines per season instead of a single engine per race weekend, etc.
They won't... The reason is simple. The FIA are 🏳️🌈
@@indraalgadelvanov93682021 Engines undoubtedly sound the best for V6 F1 Turbos.
@@mArvAlcao71they may gonna increase it to 19500rpm.
2:20 to overtake before le Raidillon, you got guts to do that!
Yep. Tons of skills required for making overtakes at Raidillon.
Yeah....lots of skills......in a sim.🙄😂
The way that merc says hold my beer when the F2004 gets away on the straights is crazy.
With modern slick tires, the F2004 as well as the F2002 in Ferrari events are faster than any modern F1, as well as some other F1s from 2002 and 2004 such as BMW, are so much faster that the FIA prohibits publishing time data when The cars are driven by factory drivers using maximum power! For example in Monza, where an F2002 recently ran there in tests with modern slicks and those who were present said it was more than 10 seconds faster than the track record! The same two years ago in the Netherlands, Motoya used a 2002 BMW with just 85% of power and was almost 5s faster than the best time on the track set by Verstapen!
I'm heavily doubting those claims, can you back it up using sources? I don't think slick tyres on an F2002 makes you 10 seconds quicker than the track record at Monza, no.
Put v10 engine to the modern cars and remove 100kg. And THEN lets see how badly the modern cars will outperform the old cars
@@thecubeheadguy6747The engine dont work as you think..the engine of f2004 dont work in today cars and the opposite😉dont say bullshits..so f2004 with drs vs todays cars with drs also and slick tyres I think f2004 faster
And you must know that BMW engine(cosworth) was more powerful than Ferraris in the straight s BMW was fastes 😅
@@thecubeheadguy6747bruh. You can't just do that lol. It's not like a tyre exchange. If you want 100 kg less and a different engine you'd have to rebuild the entire car to teh point where you reach something more similar to the f2004 than to the w11
If the f2004 is able t keep up with the w11 on groove tires imagine on slicks
Insanely unreal
F2004 handles as fast as FX300 WipEout ships.
The w11 doesn't have drs or ers
W11 is also much heavier
@AHP_EDITZ yes but it has turbos so it cancels out.
@@ImBrockatron huh
ERS saves power on braking so we can use it somewhere else like you know? A straight.. Where the heavy w11 actually needs it.
I wish the 2026 F1 Cars could sound like 2004 F1 cars...😢
It wont, but 2026 is an improvement, it will make the cars sound less vacuum cleaner-like
Yes, if use virtual v10 sound. Put speakers at rear of the f1 car. Then control v10 sound from steering wheel monitor, the audiences will hear the screaming of v10 sound during the race. Maybe this way will increase the ticket sales or tv views rating.
@@Mclaren_Mercedes_MP4_16lol its still a v6...
@@ImBrockatron and?
Do a comparion f2004 on slicks vs w11 with drs and ers
Jimmer did that and the F2004 was faster by 10s per lap lol... It's insane how much faster slicks make the old car
@@geuros yeah thx for it's light and aerodynamic since fia in the first years of the 2000s did everything to make them slower under 300kmh but the teams always found where to get more speed lol
@@geuros10s per lap is unlikely to even be close to what could've been IRL.
@@gabrielnunez7623 sure but anything over 1s difference is literally an eternity.
Somehow in the second lap, the W11 couldn’t get by… how convenient 😂😂
Put Slicks on the F2004 and take a time. The R26 on slicks was insane
So, the W11 without ERS and DRS is faster than the F2004 when the F2004 isn't in the way?
your brain is 💩💩
A Formula One car as it should be, versus a racing vacuum cleaner.
It depends on the drivers... Michael Schumacher could beat you in an eye blink and Ayrton Senna could leave you laps behind!!!
They shouldn't remove the DRS, but the hybrid system, after all the DRS is part of the car's chassis, it was designed to have DRS, the hybrid system can be deactivated, so the dispute becomes very Unequal due to the lower drag of the F2004, the DRS would give more equality to the dispute
Yeh but the f2004 doesn’t have drs so it’s not fair keeping it.
Ok allora mettiamo anche le gomme slick alla F2004...☺️ Non ci sarebbe storia anche nelle curve....
@@henryhallam5270F2002 and 2005 F1 cars never have DRS.
@@purwantiallan5089 Is that not what I just said? 😂
@@purwantiallan5089 Is that not what I just said? 😂
Now the f2004 with slicks, imbatible
2:19 F2004: "Excuse me, get off my way!" 😂
Cara, vou fazer uma mini crítica para comparar eles melhores
Para os carros modernos, tirar o ERS é bem zoado, pois os motores foram projetados para funcionar com ele e o peso iria influenciar muito
O mais justo seria só tirar o DRS mesmo, e colocar os pneus sliks na f2004 ^^
Pq raios a f2004 não estaria de slicks?
@@OnçaPintuda-v0 ela vai estar com os slicks kkkk aqueles pneus de ranhuras era o "drs" dos anos 90/2000 uma regra para melhorar a segurança e desacelerar os carros "tirando a aderência" kkkkkk não sei onde tinha segurança nisso kkk
@@OnçaPintuda-v0 só acho injusto tirar o ERS dos carros modernos pq o tamanho e peso deles é justamente por causa disso kkk
Aí o mais justo pra mim pelos menos seria
Modernos : sem drs
Antigos : pneus atuais slicks
Ia ser uma corrida braba =D
W11 is not even the best car for Spa during the V6 hybrid era. SF71 and W09 would easily crush W11 at Spa.
All that downforce is killing the top speed. That’s why DRS was introduced.
its sad that regulations make the cars slower like in 2026, 2022 and 2014, 2005etc
The W11 excels in the corners. I wonder if the F2004 is using the modern soft compound, would it give the W11 some competition in the corners
No, because the W11 has a higher level of downforce. The V10 era cars had no where near the level of downforce the W11 has and the F1 cars got bigger during the turbo hybrid era for downforce purposes.
@@TheHabsification Actually, the V10s had way more downforce than they are given credit for. The grooved tires not only had, you know, grooves, but were also of much harder compounds than the current tires. If you gave them modern soft slicks, on a track like spa, with long straights and a few medium-high speed corners, I don't doubt that they would definitely challenge modern cars. They had much greater aerodynamic efficiency (as in the balance between drag and downforce). They might have had less downforce, but were WAY less draggy. Couple that with being much lighter and voilá. More so, I'm pretty sure that a 2007/8 car, with modern slicks and a V10 would absolutely SMOKE a modern car. Too bad they generated too much dirty air.
... no slicks for the F2004... That's the biggest difference.
That's not how it works.
Unrealistic. The faster car would block in the corners.
With DRS and slicks the V10 F1s would probably hit 400km/h in monza
👍
Now do Raikkonens 2004 mclaren vs 2004 ferrari both on slicks
It would be interesting.
Put on slicks on the F2004 and give the Merc the hybrid power.
Putting the F2004 on slicks is like reducing the weight of the Merc by 100KG. Both had to abide by the rules of the day. But I know what you mean :)
Are these both driven by the AI or real drivers?
W11 faster in conners 🤔
I think there is too much bias here for the Ferrari. Yes, it sounds amazing and is crazy fast given the grooved tires. But I don't think the Turbo Hybrid V6 cars get enough respect for how fast they are. They don't sound amazing, but honesty, neither did the Turbos of the 1980s.
Even so I would have love to seen those V10 cars on slicks!
Actually all electrical motor stuff weighs about 97kg, as Rico Penteado (an ex-f1 motor engineer) has said many times
Rico Penteado approved that.
So what you're saying is that W11 should have won?
@@razor_ramon_ Now give slicks instead of grooved tyres to the F2004... That's the biggest difference here. The soft slicks are about 2 seconds or more per lap faster than any of the grooved tyres back in the day. They were extremely good tyres but they are never going to grip as much as full slicks.
V10- Banshee
V6- Wet fart
The new car looks MASSIVE compared to the old. Longer, wider, heavier ...
Si intentas igualarlos quitándole al 2020 el DRS y ERS, añade al de 2004 el límite de caudal de 100kg/h que tienen los motores actuales y que le quitan un montón de hp
F2004🏎️🔥🏆
F1 vs Formula Van 😂😂😂
Spa is the best track to test any car cuz it's got the long straights & good combination of low, mid & high speed corners
Monza it just a top speed & slipstream fest
Spa,monza, barcelona but whatever at the end of the year f2004 win championsh
Why you disabled the ERS without removing the hybrid system's weight?
All I can think of while watching this video is the “Big M8 GTE” meme. Man these modern F1 cars are so huge.
The W11 should have won, the 2nd lap was terrible.
OBVIOUSLY! Not even to question it...
P.S. it's incredible the dude difference! F2004 looks like a RC car😮
This is like a low-downforce car vs a high-downforce car.
Tolles Video!
Look how big the W11 is, it's like a bus racing against a kart
The turbo cars sound like a swarm of wasps honestly, whereas the V10 sounds like an orchestra
I agree
W11 without DRS and ERS is basically on race trim
They use ERS in race trim they just don’t deploy it aggressively, in this video it looks like it was shut down completely by how slow it was in the straights
Can you lower the sound of the F2004 so that we can at least try to appreciate the W11 Engine
Really...? ;-p
Never
The v10 is life
which game?
Do baku one
Let try with DRS enabled next
I will make another video with the two original cars.
Why no ERS?
challenge.
Because The F2004 doesn't have it either so they become equal.
@@Sawadazthen remove 100kg from the W11 because the F2004 isn't that heavy.
Is it meant to be a challenge or is the F2004 the only car that meant to have a chance here? 😂
@@thesciencesphere4273 How about this? Reduce the weight of the W11 by 200kg, but give the same soft tyres it has to the F2004. The Ferrari will lap 2-3 seconds quicker then the Mercedes.
Ferrari F1 2004 COMMAND!!! 😎
Ferrari F1 2004 was a Msterpiece of a race Car. Still now in 2024 twenty Years later, thats amazing Motor sound bring me back in the era where Formula one means really emotion, unforgettable.
F2004 is the GOAT (GREATEST F1 CAR OF ALL TIME).
To be fair you have to put f2004 in slicks too
On modern slicks would be cool yeah, the tires in that era where shit in comparison with the grooves.
W11 was, IMO, illegal. The fact they were allowed to use DAS when no other team had it as well as the unfair sporting advantage makes it an illegal driver aid. I will never ever acknowledge the W11 as a great car. To me its just a cheatmobile.
Tell me you don't know anything about F1 without telling me you don't know anything about F1
MERC: "Let's innovate something that's within the rulebook this year"
Random guy in RUclips: I will never acknowledge this as a great car
MERC: OH NOOOOO