To be fair the sacrifice and rebirth aspect isn't inherent to Christ like Nick said. The Watchowskis at that point were just throwing stuff at the wall.
Seriously, on every rewatch every few years I always come away thinking "damn, I forgot how fucking tight this movie is". End credit, Rage Against The Machine kicks in, and I always feel the same rush. Such a tight movie even if RATM suck now.
Yeah but the matrix is filled with allegory. It's actually completely shallow allegory, but nonetheless, it's allegory. The Alice in Wonderland stuff, the allegory of the cave. But nowhere in any of that is there anything about being trans. That is totally retroactive.
There could have been a trans allegory but the suits said no, it's the character of switch who was supposed to be male in the real world and female in the matrix@@autastic1
@@autastic1idk if Nick is just being a contrarian here or if he just couldn't understand that a movie can have several allegories and themes. It's like he thinks that saying it has a deeper meaning beyond the plot means that it can be retconned into being about trans people
The problem is that Stav isn’t really listening to what Nick is saying, Nick isn’t saying “movies can’t be about anything”, he agrees they can, He is specifically saying “THIS movie isn’t about anything.” Which is even dumber that what Stav thinks he’s saying
Adam trying desperately to make a point about how it's an allegory for leaving the cave, but once again he's just repeating something somebody else said, so he literally cannot elaborate beyond that one line he heard.
You know in the first version of the matrix, there were new clangerstv edits of the boys just talking about The Matrix, but the humans couldn't handle it. Entire crops were lost. Also Wizards mentioned. Bakshi is King
Imagine being trans in the matrix, going through the whole ordeal and actually passing, and then taking the red pill and realizing you're still a dude the whole time
@@JunkCCCP Yeah of course I am, congratulations on being purposely dense. I'm sure you are very proud of your "witty" response lol but if you do actually want to have a genuine conversation about the topic then let me know, though it really doesn't seem like you have the mental capacity. (oh no, was I "toxic" again?!)
Nick's 100% right. The Wachoskis can try to retro the story and say it's about being trans but that's bullshit, they made a kick ass sci fi kung fu movie, probably the best action movie of the 90s or of all time, and that's it. Love it for what it is. It's fucking tight and they got lucky when Will Smith turned it down and they took Keanu, who isn't the best actor but fit Neo extremely well. Would've been cool to see Val Kilmer as Morpheus like they wanted though, even if Lawrence Fishburne was great and his voice as Morpheus became iconic. The sequels are also fun if you don't expect them to live up to the first movie, but if you hate them that much you can just ignore them because the first movie works extremely well at telling a single story and ending it there. The Wachoskis biggest mistake was coming back to it and making a sequel (Matrix 4) instead of making a prequel about Morpheus which would have been a much more interesting concept. Morpheus is the most interesting character other than Agent Smith - tell his story about breaking free and discovering faith outside the matrix. Perhaps even have him believe he is the Chosen One throughout the movie before he comes to terms with the fact that he isn't, and instead dedicates his life to finding the true Chosen One. End the movie with him finding Neo and linking directly into Matrix 1. Would have been kino. I also want to say thank you to my best friend Nick for reading this and also I'm gay
Agree with all this, and a Morpheus movie would have been fucking great The Wachowskis clearly just jumped on the bandwagon of the current transgender wave in society and used it to release the 4th one and then retcon all the bullshit about it being a trans story to gather traction at the box office. I'm so glad it flopped
I'm with Nick on this one. I hate it when people retcon their creations to have meaning that was never there in the first place. If you want to make a movie about being trans, then make a movie about being trans. Don't make a completely unrelated movie and then twenty years later assign a meaning that was never there in the first place. It'd be like if the creator of Ninja Turtles came out tomorrow and said it was actually about poverty in NYC and Splinter was Jesus or something.
Adam was right bringing up the cave, which actually shows why nick is right The matrix is a sci-fi adaptation of the cave allegory, where the character is given superpowers and the "cave" fights him. That's all it's about. If you're saying it applies to trans people, it's because the cave applies to trans people, but the whole idea of the cave allegory is that "discovering the truth" applies to literally everyone. The only reason it can be interpreted that way is because it's based on a premise that can be applied to anything
I don't think they even did that, I think it was just the fans and the media trying to make it into one. I guess you could say it worked considering how hard people like Stav believe for that to be true.
TBF they were trans when they made it so it could be actually about it. This isn't like JK rowlings dumbass who retroactively made every character gay or black when it became popular to do so. And now she's been outcasted by everyone again because she hates trans ppl so all of that pandering was for nothing lol
Thank god for this. I actually tried to benefit my life by going to the gym and meeting women. But deep down, I just needed to be gay with my best friend Nick to be happy
I sorta agree with Nick, in the sense that there's not that much depth in the Matrix movies. The Matrix is basically a retelling of Lawnmower Man, anyway. A random dipshit becomes cyber-christ. That's it. That's the only synopsis you need for the Matrix. Random office worker meets kinda hot goth chick at a bar, takes a mysterious pill given to him by a random black guy, becomes a messianic figure in a post-apocalyptic dystopia and saves the world or whatever. That's the whole movie. No greater meaning.
Its about being asked "what do you think it's about?" And following up with "what do you thinking its about" and when they say it, you say yeah me too.
I’m obsessed with going into a conversation with the mentality nick has about taking the matrix only at the most literal surface level interpretation. Stav kinda talks past Nick and keeps saying “movies CAN be about something other than what they literally are”, but Stav is missing the point: Nick isn’t saying “Movies CANT be about something”, he’s saying “movies can be about something, but *this* one isn’t” Which is such a more stupid fucking argument that I can’t help but smile every time I imagine pretending to have that opinion Reminds me of when nick said “sometimes it feels good to have bad opinions”
ClangersTV, the channel that exposed me to CumTown podcast and added movie clips and visual content to their podcasts, only 3 months after the podcast ended 😂
I love how Nick has the same dumb guy surface level opinions on movies that your average movie goer has but can pull out obscure references to Blue Streak and remember the entirety of some Stephen King movie from 1997 that five people will know about.
Purposely refusing to interpret movies is actually highly intellectual cause trying to find deeper meaning in movies is extremely gay and pathetic and kinda autistic
No you are wrong...his opinion is the far right on the IQ bell curve meme. Matrix is indeed a simple "would this be tight" movie. There are elements of transgenderism or w/e, like in the script Switch being a different sex in the real world but the movie is no way about being trans.
Looking at these clips makes me realize just how much better the original theatrical and DVD versions of the Matrix look compared to the Blu-rays. Resolution isn’t everything, the coloration/grading/grain on the originals especially if you watched them on a CRT just have a nicer look to them in my view.
Once an artist releases their art to the public it's up to each individual to interpret it in their own way. The artist no longer has a say, I mean they can, but its irrelevant.
I think the idea that Matrix is EXCLUSIVELY a trans metaphor is kinda silly because it’s evident that while gender is the primary binary that the Wachoski’s observe the phenomenon through, the point being made is far more widely applicable than merely to gender, and they took great pains to make the films reflect that. It’s kinda why they work; the idea of the repressive computer world is a VIBE and it resonates with pretty much everyone
Sally Fields character was right to divorce Robin Williams character in Mrs Doubtfire because he was a psychotic deadbeat loser who turned trans to try and get access to his kids, completely unhinged behaviour.
@@mrscruffles801 you posted about 6 comments that are just you saying the same thing over and over again. you're in for such a rough awakening when time comes for you to actually earn money for the first time
@@Arkain89 Ever since youtube banned us from just cussing each other out like normal human beings, we've been getting bizarre responses like this. "Oh yeah I'm gonna assume some stranger never held a job cause he said something I didn't like, haha I'm so witty and cutting." Like dude, that doesn't even make sense.
@@mrscruffles801 it does make sense, but it requires going outside to understand it. where do all these sage-like opinions of pure free thinking come from if you have no social interaction ever, i wonder? surely you're not just repeating word for word what people living off ads are saying, are you?
“What does neo do that’s remotely Christ-like”
>Cuts to him being crucified radiating holy light in the shape of a cross.
That was Matrix 3. The first Matrix was about Superman.
@@TheSolidSnakeOil
It's also basically Star Wars. Almost beat for beat.
Not that it matters. Two of the best movies ever.
To be fair the sacrifice and rebirth aspect isn't inherent to Christ like Nick said. The Watchowskis at that point were just throwing stuff at the wall.
Yeah we saw the video pal
Nick later says that Christ and rebirth is one of the most common tropes in any artform.
"Everytime i watch the movie it deadnames them"
Lmfaooo
I love Nick’s autistic takes where he talks shit on a movie while able to recite every single line of the script
I would never have found anything to complain about in Jurassic Park if I had not watched it fifty times and thought about it obsessively
Lol, I think he likes the movie.
Classic nick move with movies/shows etc, he starts off shitting on it and slowly reveals he has encyclopedic knowledge about it
Love how he said it isn’t about Jesus even though a literal cross is on Neo’s chest when he sacrifices himself.
@@elkandweirddreamsNick is a self hating Star Trek fan as well
"Ralph Bakshi is an artist, and the Wachowski brothers aren't even brothers"
oh man that's such a fun line
killin in the name of!
Ralph Balshi made some bitchin movies
@@mrscruffles801 i want more franzetta films, i think america is ready for cosmic fantasy
@@BIacklceFrank Frazetta?
@@shinobi-no-bueno yes
The matrix is a “would this be tight” premise and the answer is yes
Seriously, on every rewatch every few years I always come away thinking "damn, I forgot how fucking tight this movie is".
End credit, Rage Against The Machine kicks in, and I always feel the same rush. Such a tight movie even if RATM suck now.
Yeah but the matrix is filled with allegory. It's actually completely shallow allegory, but nonetheless, it's allegory.
The Alice in Wonderland stuff, the allegory of the cave. But nowhere in any of that is there anything about being trans. That is totally retroactive.
There could have been a trans allegory but the suits said no, it's the character of switch who was supposed to be male in the real world and female in the matrix@@autastic1
@@autastic1idk if Nick is just being a contrarian here or if he just couldn't understand that a movie can have several allegories and themes.
It's like he thinks that saying it has a deeper meaning beyond the plot means that it can be retconned into being about trans people
Stav's so in denial of his health he can't even comprehend the concept of the death of the author
Stav cannot grasp the concept of anything.
@@br3akstuff He can grasp some things. Like pork shoulders and large fistfuls of lard.
He panders hard. No think.
When I saw him the first time I thought he was a homeless person.
@@luisvidal4690 And now, as he has abandoned the Cummunity, he is a... homo-less person. :( Yeaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh dun dun dunnnnnnnnn
"The Oracle is black … but she's a computer program"
you know aaliyah was cast originally
"No way girls made the Matrix"
I mean...
Define girls
In a way they did. ALLEGEDLY
Everybody knows The Matrix and The Terminator were both lifted from the same brilliant African American woman
The type of guy that would make the matrix is the exact type of guy that would become a girl
My favorite part of the matrix is when Neo walks up to Orpheus then he does a Nazi salute and says his name is "Neo" Nazi now.
A story as old as time
I can’t breath I’m laughing so hard
Nick is absolutely wrong but Stav and Adam are so ill-equipped to argue with a non-orthodox reading that he comes out on top anyway
The problem is that Stav isn’t really listening to what Nick is saying, Nick isn’t saying “movies can’t be about anything”, he agrees they can,
He is specifically saying “THIS movie isn’t about anything.” Which is even dumber that what Stav thinks he’s saying
Adam trying desperately to make a point about how it's an allegory for leaving the cave, but once again he's just repeating something somebody else said, so he literally cannot elaborate beyond that one line he heard.
@ he wants us to know that he’s heard of Plato soooo bad
You know in the first version of the matrix, there were new clangerstv edits of the boys just talking about The Matrix, but the humans couldn't handle it. Entire crops were lost.
Also Wizards mentioned. Bakshi is King
Imagine being trans in the matrix, going through the whole ordeal and actually passing, and then taking the red pill and realizing you're still a dude the whole time
Holy shit that’s exactly what would happen too hahaa
😂 dude you win 🏆 🙌
Finally, the holy trilogy of Nick's Hugo Weaving impression is done (no seriously, great editing work as always! :) )
Adam gave an amazing premise aroune 5:00 and nobody aknowledges
I've retroactivly decided 20 years after the fact that I am actually gay.
Its not so much "deciding retroactively after the fact" as it is coming to terms with something about yourself you previously didn't realise/accept.
@@MurphoidI'm sorry are you mansplaining this person's retroactively gay experience? Sounds pretty toxic.
@@JunkCCCP Yeah of course I am, congratulations on being purposely dense. I'm sure you are very proud of your "witty" response lol but if you do actually want to have a genuine conversation about the topic then let me know, though it really doesn't seem like you have the mental capacity. (oh no, was I "toxic" again?!)
@@MurphoidSettle down, okay?
@@fro_e ??? lol
Neo might be the most obvious Christ figure ever written
nah its John Coffey
Have you seen Mel Gibsons " The Passion " ? 😂
You never saw the green mile?
always love seeing nick with a megamind take
Megautistmind
Whoever makes these videos is a great editor
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10:43 *"Shut up! I'm trying to r-pe"*
Imagine hanging that sign on a hotel door 😂
Our Lord n Savior Clangers has blessed us again. Thank you Sir Clangerz.
Nick's 100% right. The Wachoskis can try to retro the story and say it's about being trans but that's bullshit, they made a kick ass sci fi kung fu movie, probably the best action movie of the 90s or of all time, and that's it. Love it for what it is. It's fucking tight and they got lucky when Will Smith turned it down and they took Keanu, who isn't the best actor but fit Neo extremely well. Would've been cool to see Val Kilmer as Morpheus like they wanted though, even if Lawrence Fishburne was great and his voice as Morpheus became iconic.
The sequels are also fun if you don't expect them to live up to the first movie, but if you hate them that much you can just ignore them because the first movie works extremely well at telling a single story and ending it there.
The Wachoskis biggest mistake was coming back to it and making a sequel (Matrix 4) instead of making a prequel about Morpheus which would have been a much more interesting concept. Morpheus is the most interesting character other than Agent Smith - tell his story about breaking free and discovering faith outside the matrix. Perhaps even have him believe he is the Chosen One throughout the movie before he comes to terms with the fact that he isn't, and instead dedicates his life to finding the true Chosen One. End the movie with him finding Neo and linking directly into Matrix 1. Would have been kino.
I also want to say thank you to my best friend Nick for reading this and also I'm gay
That movie idea would have been awesome.
Agree with all this, and a Morpheus movie would have been fucking great
The Wachowskis clearly just jumped on the bandwagon of the current transgender wave in society and used it to release the 4th one and then retcon all the bullshit about it being a trans story to gather traction at the box office. I'm so glad it flopped
It's a trans allegory.
Cope and seethe.
@@deathmagneto-soy dilate
The king is back
This is my new favourite YT video!
But to be fair, every new Clangers Video becomes my favourite video.
its pretty hard to beat the titanic clangers video
And here we are… the pinnacle of all the bangers, Thank you Clangers. A Toast to kings on this fine Yeti morning
It's like fucking Christmas
I've never fucked Christmas but it sounds amazing
Please never stop making these
I'm with Nick on this one. I hate it when people retcon their creations to have meaning that was never there in the first place. If you want to make a movie about being trans, then make a movie about being trans. Don't make a completely unrelated movie and then twenty years later assign a meaning that was never there in the first place. It'd be like if the creator of Ninja Turtles came out tomorrow and said it was actually about poverty in NYC and Splinter was Jesus or something.
Just what I needed to get through the day with the Fellas.
Dumbledores evolution into Cumbledore
The matrix is about two brothers with a unique scifi movie who then got really into femdom and sissyfication ending in them becoming trans.
This is the only correct take
I mean what are the chances of not 1, but 2 BROTHERS being trans?? 😂 That's gotta be a statistical anamoly
Allegedly a dominatrix manipulated them into doing it.
Nah, when you consider they both had the same uncle.
It's social contagion.
Nick fighting a seemingly never-ending losing battle in this argument so valiantly is a better plot than The Matrix.
8:40 Nick: "Here's why they're fighting the machines."
16:53 Also Nick: "They never explain why the machines want to kill those people"
Somehow, Clangers returned…
Adam was right bringing up the cave, which actually shows why nick is right
The matrix is a sci-fi adaptation of the cave allegory, where the character is given superpowers and the "cave" fights him. That's all it's about. If you're saying it applies to trans people, it's because the cave applies to trans people, but the whole idea of the cave allegory is that "discovering the truth" applies to literally everyone. The only reason it can be interpreted that way is because it's based on a premise that can be applied to anything
Clanger’s Magnus Opus, The Matrix Trilogy, is now complete.
Oh boy! New ClangersTV is out!
everytime you post one of these i get so hype
I live for these videos
love how nick is wrong but funnier which makes him right
"The sins of that fucking dance party in Zion". Well I agree lol that shit was horribly stupid...
7:08 Cutting to Dumbledore clapping was perfect 😂
"i wont even have to wipe. No neo you wont even have to shit." Lol
Them things be clangin' boy
Thank you for thi one, papa
i miss hearing my friend Nick laugh so purely as he did with the fat guy
I like the Segway from the matrix to where he just talks about Mrs. Doubtfire like its his original idea. Lol
I love when they talk about the Matrix!
"Harry Potter is about Dumbledore being gay" - J.K Rowling
The Wachowski bros retroactively made the Matrix about trans issues
I don't think they even did that, I think it was just the fans and the media trying to make it into one. I guess you could say it worked considering how hard people like Stav believe for that to be true.
It literally couldn't be linked to transgenderism in any way whatsoever. There's just zero connections.
TBF they were trans when they made it so it could be actually about it. This isn't like JK rowlings dumbass who retroactively made every character gay or black when it became popular to do so. And now she's been outcasted by everyone again because she hates trans ppl so all of that pandering was for nothing lol
Neo: "May i use the restroom?"
Smith: "I don't know Mr. Anderson, can you?"
*Seals Neo's cheeks shut*
The rage against the machine song "bullet in the head" plays at the end, not "killing in the name of"
is it not "wake up"?
Definitely gay if you listen to that shit
It's wake up
Thank god for this. I actually tried to benefit my life by going to the gym and meeting women. But deep down, I just needed to be gay with my best friend Nick to be happy
Women don't benefit your life, they just expect you to benefit theirs
New Clangers video? Fuck yeah
I sorta agree with Nick, in the sense that there's not that much depth in the Matrix movies. The Matrix is basically a retelling of Lawnmower Man, anyway. A random dipshit becomes cyber-christ. That's it. That's the only synopsis you need for the Matrix. Random office worker meets kinda hot goth chick at a bar, takes a mysterious pill given to him by a random black guy, becomes a messianic figure in a post-apocalyptic dystopia and saves the world or whatever. That's the whole movie. No greater meaning.
If there’s supposed to be more depth it isn’t earned. I agree
“So all the matrix is about being trans” stavros coming in hot right out of the gate
"If their movie is about being trans, there should be one trans person that can turn everyone trans."
Pack it in, other film critics.
i mean nick is right. the matrix wasn't a trans metaphor.
But then they went “no uh it’s a trans story now, Matrix 4 says so.”
It was a Jesus allegory
Its about being asked "what do you think it's about?" And following up with "what do you thinking its about" and when they say it, you say yeah me too.
Nick opened my Eyes to the idea that the Matrix is just space aged communism
Nick is hilarious. I enjoy his impressions.
Love the clips of characters referring to Neo by female names.
I’m obsessed with going into a conversation with the mentality nick has about taking the matrix only at the most literal surface level interpretation.
Stav kinda talks past Nick and keeps saying “movies CAN be about something other than what they literally are”, but Stav is missing the point:
Nick isn’t saying “Movies CANT be about something”, he’s saying “movies can be about something, but *this* one isn’t”
Which is such a more stupid fucking argument that I can’t help but smile every time I imagine pretending to have that opinion
Reminds me of when nick said “sometimes it feels good to have bad opinions”
The "shut up" bit had no right being that funny
I like saying The Matrix is about being trans to piss people off but I admit Nick has a point.
its about leaving the plantation
wizard at @7:43 looks like nick
The last two matrix videos… whatever happened there?
ClangersTV, the channel that exposed me to CumTown podcast and added movie clips and visual content to their podcasts, only 3 months after the podcast ended 😂
I love how Nick has the same dumb guy surface level opinions on movies that your average movie goer has but can pull out obscure references to Blue Streak and remember the entirety of some Stephen King movie from 1997 that five people will know about.
Yeah, thinking everything is secretly about promoting LGBT shit definitely isn't also a surface-level opinion.
Purposely refusing to interpret movies is actually highly intellectual cause trying to find deeper meaning in movies is extremely gay and pathetic and kinda autistic
@@bokoura filtered
No you are wrong...his opinion is the far right on the IQ bell curve meme. Matrix is indeed a simple "would this be tight" movie. There are elements of transgenderism or w/e, like in the script Switch being a different sex in the real world but the movie is no way about being trans.
@@CaptainSkeletor you sound immensely gay calling the cum podcaster "far right on the iq bell curve meme" please be quiet
Looking at these clips makes me realize just how much better the original theatrical and DVD versions of the Matrix look compared to the Blu-rays. Resolution isn’t everything, the coloration/grading/grain on the originals especially if you watched them on a CRT just have a nicer look to them in my view.
16:19 that shit (no pun intented) makes me giggle to this day
Nick secretly knows every line almost dead on here 😂 he a mega fan
Dudes rock.
I think we should study the skill stav has for completely missing a point.
ppreciate the edits
this is better then resurrections
Adam must have referenced the "zion techno party" at least 30 times over the course of the show.
“Yeah, I’m thinking we’re black.”
This video is an allegory of terminator jesus ...it don't matter if you sin because I'll be back😂😂😂😂😂
Nick dismiss the idea that Neo is a Christ allegory as if he hasn't openly admitted it several times before
He was trolling for sure here 😂
Hell yeah wizards is dope
Client meeting in my right ear, changersTV in my left.
I’m gay
Nickjust be sayin shit lol he can't help himself lol
Im telling you, one day, you wont even have to shit
Once an artist releases their art to the public it's up to each individual to interpret it in their own way. The artist no longer has a say, I mean they can, but its irrelevant.
I disagree. Both interpretations are relevant.
8 Chan Neo is still top 5 characters of all time
Staff says he doesn’t care but he is crying about it for 20 minutes
Staff lol
"What's gonna be at this orgy Morpheus"
Morpheus: 8:34 😜
I think, cumulatively, I have seen more footage of the Matrix movies by means of Cumtown compilations than from watching the films in their own right
Rare footage of Nick getting stomped in an argument by My Friend Cool Gay Adam
I think the idea that Matrix is EXCLUSIVELY a trans metaphor is kinda silly because it’s evident that while gender is the primary binary that the Wachoski’s observe the phenomenon through, the point being made is far more widely applicable than merely to gender, and they took great pains to make the films reflect that. It’s kinda why they work; the idea of the repressive computer world is a VIBE and it resonates with pretty much everyone
The Terminatrix, directed by Joel and Ethan Russo
Ah the irony of the writers/directors of The Matrix transitioning.
the irony of saying "the irony" while clearly not understanding what irony means
@@Arkain89the irony
@@Arkain89how ironic
@@shinobi-no-bueno im touching my ding a ling
Gettin shoe polish over my matrix
Hell yeah dude
It's almost as good as renegotiated
Sally Fields character was right to divorce Robin Williams character in Mrs Doubtfire because he was a psychotic deadbeat loser who turned trans to try and get access to his kids, completely unhinged behaviour.
0:18 Ah yes, a very feminine woman.
Jim Sterling makes a better woman than this dude
@@mrscruffles801 you posted about 6 comments that are just you saying the same thing over and over again. you're in for such a rough awakening when time comes for you to actually earn money for the first time
@@Arkain89 Ever since youtube banned us from just cussing each other out like normal human beings, we've been getting bizarre responses like this. "Oh yeah I'm gonna assume some stranger never held a job cause he said something I didn't like, haha I'm so witty and cutting." Like dude, that doesn't even make sense.
@@mrscruffles801 it does make sense, but it requires going outside to understand it. where do all these sage-like opinions of pure free thinking come from if you have no social interaction ever, i wonder? surely you're not just repeating word for word what people living off ads are saying, are you?
@@Arkain89SILENCE!
oh were so fucking back boys