Congratulations on 1K subscribers. I can see the design meeting: We can't just use the existing sight and the grenade body, or a Swiss Army Knife on a string, it is too simple. I know, let's make a proper Swiss Rifle Grenade Sight - the Stangenvisier 72! And then the evaluation board: We love it! But come on guys, it's too expensive even for Switzerland...
Thank you, Dale. I always look forward to your videos. They are extremely informative and interesting. Also, congratulations on the first 1000 subscribers. Here's hoping for many, many more.
Congratulations on your subscription milestone. I wondered if they ever considered to attach a simple ladder sight directly onto the tail of the grenade itself (as in some of the Belgian rifle grenade of later generations). But then again that ladder sight might be so huge that it will create undesirable drag before it get peels off during the grenade's flight, and therefore might affects accuracy.....
There's a normal grenade ladder leaf sight you see on an M70 AKM or an M79 grenade launcher. Then there's this Swiss grenade launcher sight with an elevated sight line and a floating/cantilevered front sight post.
@@DaletheStgwDude I might try to make something like this and adapt it to clamp onto an FAL type rifle. Those things are plenty in South Asia and still out in the wild. Maybe once I get back there and have time on my hands, I might do something of the sort. One just like this, another one a simplified ladder and gas cutoff lever. Maybe it's just the madman in me, but I've always thought a sponge tipped rifle grenade (think 40mm baton rounds but a rifle grenade), especially a bullet trap sort, could be extremely versatile for less lethal use for guarding important installations in peacetime, or have some stand-off impact LL munition.
At first look Swiss rifle genades seems to be thoroughly thought-out system, down to special grenadier coat. Then yu realize, that training and techniques were less than stellar and they were unable to develop proper sight. Whoa.
@@DaletheStgwDude Rifle grenades always fascinted me, so I was just transfixed by your videos on "carrots of death". And, due to my fascination I was trying to find reasons for them to exist. I think, that best rationale I can find was going like this:"The advantage of rifle grenades are all at the squad level. Calling in mortars when you make contact takes time. At the squad level, being under fire is not a leisurely CP exercise in deciding which weapons system to employ. It's better to do something quick than weight around for mortar rounds or Arty to start falling. Calling in fire is the job of the Plt. Leader or Plt. Sgt. I know we spend a lot of time teaching Calls for Fire, but a squad leader usually is involved in the fire fight and shouldn't be bothered with anything other than trying to gain fire superiority. Rifle Grenades would help you do this at the squad level. That's versatility at very little cost and eliminates a squad leader trying to employ weapons systems that are not organic to the squad and therefore not under his direct control". However, that did not eliminate need for both 40mm UBGLs (to provide support fire versus enhancing indiviual capabilities) and dedicated RPGs, so while this approach can give you a very powerful infantry squads, that will not be cheap... I believe that late '80 US rifle grenade designs, abandoned after Cold War had something like "soft launch", when shot energy was used to ensure proper standoff before rocket kicks in. If my sclerosis serves me right. )
Congratulations on 1K subscribers.
I can see the design meeting:
We can't just use the existing sight and the grenade body, or a Swiss Army Knife on a string, it is too simple.
I know, let's make a proper Swiss Rifle Grenade Sight - the Stangenvisier 72!
And then the evaluation board:
We love it!
But come on guys, it's too expensive even for Switzerland...
With the interesting philosophy of the gear the Swiss fielded, you know they had to have some really crazy prototypes.
I'm still wondering, who thought that it was a good idea to put a Meccano-Kit crane on top of a rifle
It does look smashing... And smashable
Maybe it was supposed to be a crane-toy and you imagine yourself using it to pick up the Panzer charging towards you to move it somewhere else.
Whooo intimate clips!
Thank you Dale for all your hard work on researching the topic of STGW 57s. You make me jealous as I am state side, and I want a STGW.
Congratulations on your first 1k subscribers, roll on the next
Great video, obviously taking a lead from The Bloke ;-)
Thanks for sharing this piece of history!
Thank you, Dale. I always look forward to your videos. They are extremely informative and interesting. Also, congratulations on the first 1000 subscribers. Here's hoping for many, many more.
Congratulations on your subscription milestone.
I wondered if they ever considered to attach a simple ladder sight directly onto the tail of the grenade itself (as in some of the Belgian rifle grenade of later generations).
But then again that ladder sight might be so huge that it will create undesirable drag before it get peels off during the grenade's flight, and therefore might affects accuracy.....
There's a normal grenade ladder leaf sight you see on an M70 AKM or an M79 grenade launcher.
Then there's this Swiss grenade launcher sight with an elevated sight line and a floating/cantilevered front sight post.
@@DaletheStgwDude I might try to make something like this and adapt it to clamp onto an FAL type rifle. Those things are plenty in South Asia and still out in the wild.
Maybe once I get back there and have time on my hands, I might do something of the sort. One just like this, another one a simplified ladder and gas cutoff lever.
Maybe it's just the madman in me, but I've always thought a sponge tipped rifle grenade (think 40mm baton rounds but a rifle grenade), especially a bullet trap sort, could be extremely versatile for less lethal use for guarding important installations in peacetime, or have some stand-off impact LL munition.
Nice vid :
wow and I thought the anti aircraft sights were outragous
At first look Swiss rifle genades seems to be thoroughly thought-out system, down to special grenadier coat. Then yu realize, that training and techniques were less than stellar and they were unable to develop proper sight.
Whoa.
@@DaletheStgwDude Rifle grenades always fascinted me, so I was just transfixed by your videos on "carrots of death". And, due to my fascination I was trying to find reasons for them to exist. I think, that best rationale I can find was going like this:"The advantage of rifle grenades are all at the squad level. Calling in
mortars when you make contact takes time. At the squad level, being under fire is not a leisurely CP exercise in deciding which weapons system to employ. It's better to do something quick than weight around
for mortar rounds or Arty to start falling. Calling in fire is the job
of the Plt. Leader or Plt. Sgt. I know we spend a lot of time teaching Calls for Fire, but a squad leader usually is involved in the fire fight and shouldn't be bothered with anything other than trying to gain fire superiority. Rifle Grenades would help you do this at the squad level. That's versatility at very
little cost and eliminates a squad leader trying to employ weapons systems that are not organic to the squad and therefore not under his direct control".
However, that did not eliminate need for both 40mm UBGLs (to provide support fire versus enhancing indiviual capabilities) and dedicated RPGs, so while this approach can give you a very powerful infantry squads, that will not be cheap...
I believe that late '80 US rifle grenade designs, abandoned after Cold War had something like "soft launch", when shot energy was used to ensure proper standoff before rocket kicks in. If my sclerosis serves me right. )
What are the range markings like on that? Seems like it would have some lofty expectations if they bothered to make something that ridiculous
It's more about getting an elevated plane for the sight picture to allow an upright shooting stance. See the video on BOTR For what I meant by that.
First. Yes 1k subs bring the toxic. XD