Stgw. 57 TRAINING: Archive Clip Compilation (w/ EN Subtitles)
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- Опубликовано: 22 янв 2022
- This compilation shows the various drills, procedures and rituals surrounding the Sturmgewehr 57 in military service, from issuing to assimilation of various skills.
Footage source:
VBS/DDPS, AF 507, AF 13, AF 527-05, AF 778, F 720, F 748 CC BY-NC-ND 3.0 CH
Archives RTS: "Fils de Tell", "Devenir un homme", "Colombier Blues"
Swiss Federal Archives: J2.225#2004/489#8#1*
Many thanks to J. for the Swiss German translation help.
Thanks for the upload. Those old docs are the best. Here, have my like.
Ps : it's "section Aubry", not "brie".
Oops, thanks for the correction! Did sound delicious though.
Glad you enjoy it!
Some say that poor guy is still trying to seat that mag to this day..
Manifestement RUclips ne sait pas traduire le « Schweizerdeutsch » 😂. Excellente vidéo et très belle arme. Vive la Suisse 🇨🇭 ❤
My father served in 1981 as a non-commissioned officer in the 12th mountain division. That was a fusilier company. The recoil of the rifle grenade was around 80 kg. Broken fingers and broken noses were commonplace. Everyone, even smaller and lankier recruits, had to learn to use the infamous rifle grenade effectively in battle. You didn't always have time or space to open the winter trigger and, especially in trenches, you had to use different firing techniques than shown in the video. sometimes you had no choice but to shoot from the shoulder.
As a Greek / Swiss, and permanent member of the Greek National Guard myself (...and with my half brother, being a medic in the Swiss army) I love this! Very good vintage footage!
1'45" When I received the Stgw 57 in 1989, that was more ceremonial. You had to go to attention before the unit commander and he handed you your personal weapon over a Swiss flag. In 1991 we were then issued the (then) new Stgw 90 with the same ceremony. The Stgw 57 was really pleasant to shoot, especially as a light machine gun in full auto for suppressive fire. But the Stgw 90 was a whole different thing in terms of accuracy and weight.
when I received my Stwg the Company commander was this skinny weak University assistant, and I forgot to salute and just took the Stwg..but he didn't let go...so he was standing on a podest and I just pulled him down to my level since his strenght was no match to mine, then I remembered that I forgot to salute thats why he didn't let go of the Rifle...so I saluted took the rifle and left and he stood there dumbfounded, I got transferred to Staff Company as Recon (Nachrichtensoldat) and later heard that the whole company had refused an order (including NCO's) of this First Lieutenant( he did a Herbert Sobel= Band of Brothers which doesn't work in Swiss army)...he was so bad that for sure he never got to lead a Company... we on the other hand got an excellent Oberwalliser first lieutenant with charisma and leadership.
That less ceremonial toucj also caught my attention. I received it in 2007 and we also had the swiss flag.
the 57 is an amazing tool to take someone's face off at a long distance, but the weight is just ridiculous, must be the heaviest post war battle rifle there is, and the longest. Like they never expected anyone to walk further than from their house to a truck and from the truck to a bunker.
There is something about the high quality and clear reality of the footage. Super enjoyable and informative!!! Please keep posting the great work!!!!
Cela me rappelle des souvenirs qui remontent aux années 90 mêmes exercices mêmes rituels
7:52 Oh boy
*Ominous camera pan*
Typical Schoggi-Stich.
oiled pieces.. fresh off the dirty ground and into the weapon. jam some dirt in the barrel, just to be sure.
The rifle can have some dirt, as a treat.
Fascinating compilation; thanks for taking the time to make it. 👍
Very interesting footage, thanks Dale!
Your channel is a gem,i love it.Keep uploading dude.
Thanks so much!!
Thanks for another great upload, and thanks for hard coded subs.
Thanks for another gem on the stg 57. Funny they where training on semi auto only. You can clearly see the white patch on receiver's side. Prob to avoid stupid things from the recruits.
@scsi8414 during the WK' & EK's we had the 'Plättli' auf Schwarz, Schnellschuss Sperre / Rapid fire lock turned to it's black side.
7:39 the cameraman is like ooofffff
Great video, thanks.
Thanks Dale Great Video!!
Thanks John! Was a very interesting one to edit.
Pretty cool to watch. Modern tactics are light years ahead in a relatively short time.
rigle bises blüetet!
que de vieux souvenirs....
1997 l infanterie à Colombier, c est gravé en moi à jamais❤
Thanks for the content again! Somehow I get the feeling that this tradition is slowly dying😥
Not really, basic training is still very much like that in the army. But there are maybe less people doing it than before
@@MrSam1er glad to hear that!
In Switzerland shooting is still a tradition, a lot of people are doing it (even not in the army) and a lot of people still use this rifle (I do) and some use also older rifle 😊
I have the same problem sometimes with loading the magazine like the guy in this video. And its not just me. Everyone I handle the rifle to shoot have the same problem and sometimes, not everytime, struggle to put it in correctly. I dont know why. You may think its just like in a AK but it wont get in so easly.
If you try to put the mag in like into an AK you are probably at too shallow an angle. The locking lug in a Stgw.57 sits much higher in the gun than with an AK. Remember to have the magazine angled way forward (45° or so), jam it up as far as it will go and then rock back. Otherwise you will get the ledge on the magazine below the locking lug and it will fall out.
I like how they provide one on one marksmanship instruction.
Ich weiss noch als ich im Jahr 1984 Als Jungschütze das 57er gefasst hab,wurde wir schnell gute Freunde.Als Unsere Einheit in den 90er umgerüstet wurde,hab ich zu gesagt:Jaaa da ist es nun das Brandneue Mattel90 Spielzeuggewehr.....
Really interesting to hear them call the lever a "winter trigger". It was my understanding that the developer intended for the lever to be used when firing rifle grenades, as that added a fair bit of recoil.
It’s both.
@sainterasmus4545
dr'Winterabzug / 'winter trigger' is as the name implies to facilitate the process in winter months, in combination with wool gloves, and 'Rungle' / grenades as you mentioned.
winterabzug wird nur bei ug bogenschuss verwendet. im winter im hochgebirge mit winterhandschuhe ( fausthandschuen)
Out of curiosity, Mr. Dale, how often do you encounter the Italian-speaking Swiss in your studies of the armed forces?
Objectively, only 8.2% of Swiss are Italian speakers, so they are definitely a linguistic minority. At the Federal Archives, I rarely, if not never encounter documents in Italian. Idem for Italian manuals, the print runs are usually quite small.
Since I don’t speak the language, I’m not exactly seeking out this domain.
@@DaletheStgwDude Makes a lot of sense. Just ran through my mind while seeing this that the soldiers technically train in their "native language" and yet finding Italian-speaking Swiss actually speaking Italian is harder than finding Hen's teeth at times. Thanks for your reply! Merci!
We are few but we exist! 😉 there is a nice shooting range in the italian part of Switzerland and some still use the 57 (I do!). You are most welcome to join us once! 😊
lots of recruits were Secondos and spoke Italian as their actual mother tonque but resided in a Swiss German or French canton so the percentage of Italian speakers in the 80's in Switzerland was closer to 20%, also some officers did a foreign Reserve course in another language which was well seen by High Command.
@@HansJuergBangerter Per la statistica: nel 1970 gli italofoni.come prima lingua erano il 13%. Ora, 2023, sono ca. Il 6% della popolazione svizzera!
Dans la traduction cest écrit "section Brie" alor que cest "section Aubrie" je le sais car c'était mon prof d'anglais a l'école et c'était vraiment un bon prof
En effet, merci pour la correction. Je dois dire que je ne suis pas très calé niveau nom de famille, je n’hésiterai pas à me renseigner plus la prochaine fois.
Gotta laugh at myself as I had the sideburns back in the day. My father, a retired Navy Chief was disgusted when the USN banned beards and mustaches although he never wore either. Mom thought it was great!
Dang! Where did you get this? It’s great.
Thanks! The footage source is listed in the description.
Hallo Dale
Deine Videos gefallen mir sehr. Bin selber Schweizer Armee sammler und möchte Fragen woher du die Ausbildungsvideos hast? Falls du mir einige per mail schicken magst, wäre ish sehr erfreut! oder wenn du mir vielleicht die bezugsquelle nennen kannst? PS: Bin wohnhafter Schweizer. Beste Grüsse Dave
Hallo Dave, danke für die Komplimente!
Das Videomaterial stammt vom ZEM und wird mit dessen Genehmigung weiterveröffentlicht. Die offizielle Website findest du hier: www.historic.admin.ch.
Du kannst sie kontaktieren und erhaltest direkt eine digitale Kopie! Die genauen Referenznummern sind in der Videobeschreibung aufgeführt.
Intro had real dad's army /blackadder vibes
Are some parts of the video in German, French and Swiss?
Yes it alternates between Swiss German and French
Реформа армии в 1957 году...сделала армию Швейцарии самой совершенной в Европе...на тот момент!
Il fucile d'assalto 57 😂 SR Motto Bartola estate 1983, compagnia Alex Pedrazzini 😁😁😁
The guy trying to insert the magazine over and over had me rolling lol
@SeeTeeTee
most likely left-handed, as I am.
As the Stgw was built for the majority of right-handed recruits in mind.
See Winterabzug, Ladehebel and Plättli e.g.
Is the Stgw 57 good for fully automatic fire or burst mode?
Probably one of the most controllable and effective battle rifles in full auto, it is specifically designed for it.
High quality aesthetics. I like alpanflage camo and I have both M70 jacket and TAZ 83 shirt. SInce I'm 2m tall, It was impossible for me to found a pants on surplus market so I made myself a shorts. it is great for a fall season and I use it alot for hiking.
One question for Swiss people here. How do you communicate between cantons with languages you have? Do you have one unofficial "lingua franca" or you know other languages. One guy born there but with Hungarian origin told me on same qouestion that you don't talk to each others, which was of course joke, at least I think.
Glad you enjoyed the compilation. Usually units serving together speak the same language. Obviously, those with multilingual ability were promoted faster.
Note that “Alpenflage”, “Alpentarn” etc are to the best of my knowledge fictional marketing terms. After sifting through hundreds of pages of archival documents, I have yet to find official designations of the camo pattern.
The true “alpine camo” is the solid olive Kampfanzug 74 designed for mountain troops, paired with the Schneetarnüberwurf 76 white poncho for high altitude snow environments.
I'm from the swissgerman part and my french is terrible. So we either speak english or "not talk at all" lol
So you’re the guy buying up all the xxl jackets 😂😂😂😂
Yea, I know, they disappear quite quickly. :D
War dabei 1960
Why did they teach them to put the non shooting hand in front of their face so that it slammes into their mouth when firing?
It’s wild that kids under 10 would know how to operate most guns these days given videos games. As a 90s kid growing up playing games, driving, flying and shooting have all felt natural.
Lol, no. Playing video games doesnt show you where the magazin releases are, how to sight a rifle, how to shoulder it, how to handle recoil, how to take it apart. clean and maintain it and so on. It might give you THE IDEA that you know, but its far from true. And i am saying this as a 90s kid and infantry seargent.
Konsumverwöhnte Antiautoritäre, hat sich seit da nicht viel verändert. Lieutenant Brie hat aber Schneid gehabt 😉
The man at 2:14 was speaking french right?
Yes.
Ät minute 8 is Schoggistich
min. 7:37 filling up the barrel... 😅
4:56 NEEEIII!!! das chas doch nid si!!!!!
😍💪🏻🇨🇭
Not sure if the barrel is long enough
Long enough for?
You are a little sizequeen ;)
A flag pole?@@DaletheStgwDude
It must be a mental logistical nightmare having to switch communication and training between french and german.
@andrewdopple6946
that was not the case.
The French speaking and the German speaking trained separately at different locations.
I served as an 'Unterländer' by the Gebirgstruppe Graubünden / Mountain Division, Canton Grison ('auf Wunsch') as marked in my Dientbüchlein.
First criteria: being a proficient alpin skier.
For the entirety of my service, 2 Rekruten / UOF / 8 WK / 4 EK (1976 - 1994). Most of the time I served Sch Geb Füs Kp IV/91
consisting of mainly Bündneroberländer, that spoke both Swiss German and Romansh (rätoromanisch Sursilvan). The commandos were called in Swiss German.
I dont know if that poor lad just cant load the magazine or just doing it intentionally
There’s definitely a trick to it, so I can understand. Camera stress probably doesn’t help either
It can be hard if you don´t know how. You have to insert the magazine with the front first, then pull it down until it engages the front lip. Then you can rock it back to engage the rear lock.
Is this from the 1970s?
Combination of eras from the 60s to the 80s.
Die Katze 'at gefressen der Vögeli????
Our rifles are long af.
Only about 10mm longer than a FAL
@@DaletheStgwDude ‘outrange the nations/make it awkward (if we arent last)’
They don't really go in for that anymore.
Oh good heavens... The old NCO in me gets the creeps watching some of the manipulations. But hey we all start somewhere. 😅 Though I do hope the guy with the magazine problems was doing it for demonstration purposes. Otherwise he was certainly up for tons of "Nachexerzieren". 😎
Dog an Pony show!
Поэтому из-за таких штурмовых винтовок Швейцария 🇨🇭 ни с кем и не воюет.Пока солдат вставит магазин,враг уже захватит страну.😂
Une éducation saine, normale Quoi 😭🤣😂 ça se passe mieux
non de dieu de non de dieu xD
it was the most awful rifle i had in my whole life. in 1957 there where already way better alternatives fielded and in 1990 as i got that pcs of crap x way better ones more.
waffen ss😀