Warthunder is a great game, you need to invest your life into it to make it too high tier, but its just a fantastic game, that has survived time and reinvented itself. Ive been playing since 2013, and sure, there has been issues and gripes but the game is just always adapting and growing, and i still play it heavily at times.
do you really think i watched te whole video ? absolutely not, thanks to the time stamp, i skippped all the way to end just to see the best one, thats it, and i got it, its 7800x3d, thank you brother! a like for your effort 🥰🥰❤❤👍👍
Very happy I didn't follow the Advice of a friend to buy the Ryzen 9 5950X, and instead followed what everyone had been saying and went with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D
@@davidavery6215The 7800X3D is so cracked will probably handle all high-end graphics cards in the next 7 years or something, just get what you want, the 7900xtx is the best (but not most price efficient) card AMD offers
@@hermit-hackney-bluegill if u have it already then its good but only for budget 1080p gaming, rx580 to rx6650xt i guess if you dont have it yet then dont but the 4600g 💀
@@Levi-rr4xc Oxidation, nearly a 100% failure rate reported, Intel as a company may be done, I never thought I would hear that in my lifetime, but ya, it might be the end of Intel as a company actually. esp since soon nvidia will start competing in the CPU race
Hey Scattervolt, You're awesome at explaining how to build PCs, even though you might not get all the recognition you deserve Your step-by-step guides are super clear and easy to follow especially for someone like me who's just getting into this stuff.I appreciate how you take your time to explain what each part does and how to put it all together. Your videos not only teach me how to build a PC but also how to fix things if they go wrong. Keep up the great work-you're a fantastic teacher for anyone wanting to build their own computer! YOUR THE BEST PC RUclipsR
I bought the Micro Center 5600X3D bundle and sold my old CPU with the bundled board and RAM. In the end, the 5600X3D cost me $60. Many did similar with the bundles. That is the true advantage of having a Micro Center down the street, its crazy sweet.
Not surprised to see the i5-12400F rated pretty highly at $110. I bought mine two years ago for $160 and it has been outstanding not just for gaming but I do some software video compression with it too in Handbrake and am pretty pleased with the H.265 encode times even setting the encoder to the slow preset. Feel like the cpu has been even better bang for your buck than the Xeon E3-1231v3 I bought in 2014 to get i7 performance for i5 prices (paid $250 for that one though back when Intel dominated the market and could charge more).
Seems about right looking at where my 12700k sits, Still quite happy with it now it's about to be 3 gens behind when Arrow Lake comes out later this year.
I'm still on AM4, but I upgraded to the 5700x3d paired with 4070 Super. Hopefully I can get another 4 years or more with this combo. Very informative vid thanks!
Thank you so much and thanks for being a supporter of the channel! I kinda like these longer than normal tier list videos. I think it's a winning combo haha.
Bought a 7800X3D recently to pair with various other upgrades including an MSI 4080Super I've overclocked to 3000Mhz. Previously had a 3900X CPU overclocked all core from 3.6Ghz to 4.3Ghz. The difference in gaming and even workstation performance is mind boggling. Even though it has 4 less cores and 8 less threads it's not even close. Some games I have doubled my FPS. Glad I upgraded. a shame I had to do it in parts as the one time cost was too much in one go
One thing you didn't realise is that while people might get an aftermarket cooler for a 7600, the 7600X needs a far more powerful cooler ($80+) where the 7600 can make do with a basic cooler.
Microcenter motherboard bundles throw price to performance way out of whack... if you live near one definitely check it out 😅 (sometimes they cost barely more than the price of the CPU itself, all for a CPU, Motherboard, and RAM)
Started on AM4 with R7 3700x & RTX 2060 in Jan 2020 with a 1080p ultrawide monitor. Upgraded to R7 5700x3d & RTX 4070 earlier this year. Hoping the upgraded combo can last me another 4yrs or so.
I have a 14700k and im happy with it, because ive had many many problems with my Ryzen 7 5800X before that, so Intel was the way to go and tbh i dont care about having to buy a new motherboard for the next upgrade because i always get a new one if im upgrading
If you haven't heard , 14th and 13th gen i7s and i9s have hardware ishues , hopefully you have one of the good batches . But just in case , upgrade the bios rn . and wait for the intel bios update in micro code so it doesnt degrade or at least degrade's slower . Intel 13th and 14th high end chips are getting unstable , crashing , and eventually dieng as the chip degrades due to the high high voltages. Intel is still trying to do damage control and not telling us everything , we know there was manufacturing issues in there main Arizona factory . My 13700kf hasnt had issues yet , but i undervolted it from the start . and even more so recently after i heard the ishues. hope we both have some of the better non flawed chips
Its funny to see, that the 7500f is a Aliexpress only CPU in the the states. As for Germany, you can order a 7500f like any other CPU. like a 7800x3d. But in my opinion, its a bit sad, that we cannot get the 5600x3d.
I got my 7500f today from the established german online hardware shop Mindfactory. It cost me 145 Euro which is around 155 USD. It was an upgrade to my ryzen5 3600 and I am so hyped to play Elden Ring on max settings now :)
As a 5800X3D user, I do agree that while the CPU is great at gaming, it should not be considered for a new build. AM4 shouldn't be considered at all anymore. I would even say that if you were gifted an AM4 motherboard, but needed Ram and a CPU, it would still be a better idea to buy a lower end CPU on AM5, and spend a little more to get the whole AM5 setup. Even a 7600X can often match the 5800X3D in gaming (right now), and you will have an upgrade path. I had several AM4 PC's, and I did a rolling upgrade on existing systems, that already had RAM and CPUs.
I recently upgraded my AM4 CPU to 5700X3D, you can find it brand new between $200-$210. And I would say that if you are just upgrading than this is an S-teir CPU
What I'm taking away from this is that my recent upgrade from a 9 3900X to the 7 5700X3D was the smartest thing I could do with my B550 motherboard. Good to know.
i bought few days ago combo of 7800x3d with rtx 4070 ti super and it have been great great few days when it comes to cooler i went with Arctic Liquid Freezer III 240 2x120mm and temps are in great spot for example cyberpunk or ghost of tsushima with highest settings avaiable does nto make my cpu go over 64*C when ti comes to average temp the highest i saw was 67 i bellive
@@ScatterVolt yeah i mean it was an upgrade after almost 6 years so yeah had to do something :D went with adata 32 2x16 6ghz cl30 lancer blade rams and for with m2 from my good old home country GOODRAM m.2 who never dissapointed me when it comes to ram or ssd
Still quite happy with my purchase and use of an R5 3600X, holding up after almost 5 years of use, but I might upgrade soon (going to get either a ryzen 7000 series or a 9000 series, but it still depends on their availability, or overhaul my board and switch to intel which depends if ryzen stocks here are a plenty). Overall fair ratings, great job and great video.
@ScatterVolt R7 7800X3D gang! My mainboard broke and needed replacing, so I switched entirely and went with AMD, sold my i9 12900 to a friend for cheap. Best decision ever made.
amd did confirm 7800x3d is faster than the recently announced 9000 series cards, in gaming. you cannot go wrong with this purchase. i highly agree with Marc and totally recommend it!
I9-14900k works fine for me (none better on market right now beyond KS/F etc ) no issues been over a year since having one 4k max gaming on a 4090 i do have a 420 AIO with double fan kits max on this to keep temps in 65-70C range even when running CB
What an excellent price to performance rating exercise! The "S" and "A" categories are golden. Personally, I purchased an 13600K for $325 (earlier), after a great deal of research. I will be changing nothing until Intel's 18th gen. comes out. Moreover, at that point, I may strongly consider a comparable AMD chip as well.
Rocking a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and a Ryzen 5 5600. Super happy with these cpus..though am now thinking of upgrading my Radeons (5700XT & 6700XT) to the newer gen Radeons once the prices are okay 👍
@@DillonCatterson great choice! but actually am eyeing a 7800XT, coz my case is very small, so couldn't fit a 3-fan GPU (the Sapphire Pulse 7800XT is 2-fan). But when the time comes, I would just probably upgrade the casing too.
Soo I just got a 4070 super with a 7800x3d but I also saw a 4080 super but with i7 14700k. Would I be dumb to return my pc and get the 4080 super with i7 14700k?
My prebuilt came with a Ryzen 7 5700. I’m running it with a 4080 and so far I haven’t had problems running any games at 4k max settings save Jedi Survivor. Is it the best processor? No, but I got it on a heavily discounted prebuilt so it works good enough for me.
Main thing i disagree with is placing the 7600X above the 7600. I prefer the non x because its much more power efficient for basically the same performance. The free stock cooler is an added bonus too
Heyy, I recently just upgraded my setup and went with a i9 14900k and rtx 4080 super for gaming/content creation. But I noticed you said the 14900k isn’t good for gaming, why is that? And should I switch to a different cpu
Have you seen the video yet? He explained that the I9 14900K was designed and is suitable for things related to editing, rendering or similar things, not for gaming because the CPU temperature is too hot when used for gaming. Of course I9 14900K can do the same for gaming but it is not worth it.
only asking because I only decided to go with the 14900k because I also do editing and such, but if it’s going to affect my gameplay recordings since I do gaming content then I’ll probably just go with the amd counterpart
Hurts to see my 5900X being put that low. I build around it before X3D's time, otherwise it would have definitely been a 5800X3D. To be honest, anyone building a PC right now should go for the 7800X3D. It's ~320€ here and you just can't beat that. The one chip that comes close in gaming performance is the 14900KF and you'll pay almost double for beating for 7800X3D by a few % in a few selected games. I'm not even sure what budget CPUs I'd currently recommend. The 7800X3D is so good it makes every other chip feel like a waste of money or performance, lol.
For those who targeting Valorant and/or CS2: GET R5 5600 instead of 12400F. It smoked 12400F in Valorant and CS2 (and even higher tier 12600K) because of its 32MB cache. And if your budget allows things like 12600KF, get 5700X3D (or 5800X3D if isn't more than $10-15 than the lower tier) and your next upgrade is probably 7800X3D. PCIE 4.0 is the only advantage on the R5 3600 honestly. Zen2 has a split cache with 2 16MB cluster on a CCD which have 2 CCX, 16MB of L3 cache per CCX, and 3 cores per CCX, so you don't really have fast access to that much of a cache, making it not that much of advantage. But on Zen 3, you have a unified L3 cache between 2 CCX, and with half of the L3 cache, technically all cores still have access to the same 16MB of cache. In games that utilize higher clock and IPC than cache, 5500 starts to take the lead. If you are into enthusiast stuff like RAM overclocking, 5500 can pair with 4400 easily without sacrificing anything on the latency because IMC can match 4400MT/s RAM with 2200 on FCLK. All of the repurposed APUs from Zen 2 and beyond can do this because of their monolithic design, which means the IOD is also at 7nm and clock higher. And about Intel 'Raptor Lake' non-K. They are all Alder Lake or 12th gen if you guys prefer that. Just look at memory support on Intel Ark, Alder Lake (officially) supports DDR5-4800, Raptor Lake is DDR5-5600. Example: 13600K and 13500. If you think 13500 is just lower bin 13600K, you are wrong. None of Raptor Lake upgrades are on that. Smaller cache, worse memory support. But in exchange for being Alder Lake, much better in terms of stability and has no Raptor Lake instability issues (even 13600K and 14600K have instability issues, the chance is just slimmer since users usually pair it with a B board that has more relax on voltage regulation usually give higher voltage so lacking-of-voltage too boost behave better) P/s: Both non-K and K series CPUs are fine with 6000MT/s, they are just the official supports, which doesn't mean they can't run better than that.
whats better 1.5 7500f and 7900 gre or 2. 5 7600x and 7800xt. i know the 2. option harmonies better but. 1. option is faster and if you ahve to upgrade in future you only have to upgrade the 7500f. what do you guys think?
I upgraded to a 5800x3d from a 3600 trying to make my am4 last as long as possible. Hopefully until whatever comes after am5 drops a couple years from now.
7950X3D should be atleast an A Tier, maybe an S Tier CPU. Its expensive, ok, but you can select the 3D cores for the game and the non-3D cores for everyhting else which gives you more game performance for all games which needs a lot of CPU power, like Escape from Tarkov for example. And you can run a lot of stuff in the backgrouch which doesnt effect the game performance.
I agree on the 5800x3d. Great for whoever is on am4, not so great if you are going to build a new. Where I honestly disagree is in regards the 14700k/kf, it is faster than the 13700k, it has more cores , copes with faster ddr5 memory but in particular handles high speed ddr4 in 1 to 1 ratio , sometimes , sillicon lottery allowing, even reaching 4400 ore more in 1 to 1 with tight timings . In addition often in europe at least is 20 to 30 eu more than the 13700k, so for around 30 eu you get higher speed, better ram support and a pretty good number of cores that at least for non professional use handles anything a normal user can throw at it, including video edition , it is kind of a i9 that performs 5 or so % worse but cost 150-170 less. Not saying is S tier or anything but should probably be a c+
This video was very useful even for me who lives in another country, Ryzen's cpu stands out in the Brazilian market for delivering great value for money, this video helped me analyze whether this is also reflected in other regions of the international market, here they are and the ones that stand out the most, mainly due to the economic issue of our country, are the builds with Ryzen 5600 and 5700x3d as the am5 for now becomes unfeasible and meaningless for many, but with this list the 5600 really seems to be well balanced, but some even consider the Intel platform but its cost-benefit in relation to longevity ends up being the determining factor in opting for AMD CPUs, at least here.
Welp, I'm kind of eff'd that the "best" CPU that I can get (that're compatible with my current MB with AM4 Socket, and available at my usual tech store) are D Tier (5800X3D & 5800x)
I'm playing the long game, I'm waiting for Zen 6 to come out (yes, 6 not 5) so that the 5800X3D is so cheap (I expect about 100usd) and then I upgrade from my current 5600. I'll be on AM4 until the very end
Hey scattervolt, I really need your help I’m confused, should I get a Rx 6800 or a 3070,3070ti (all from used market) I’m main purpose is to do 2d Animation, video editing and might do live streaming at some point, Rx6800 got that 16gb of vram compared to just 8gb on both nvidia gpus. But I’ve that amd is not good for streaming and video editing idk what to choose, I really don’t care about RT OR DLLS btw. Help!!!
@@ScatterVolt I really can’t say I was thinking about learning 2d animation and make a yt channel coz I love telling stories and animation could be a good way to do it. It’s all for RUclips if it worked than maybe I’ll be making living out of it I really can’t say, + if everything worked than I will be living streaming video games coz I love playing games too, in short I’m at the very beginning stage of animation and my main focus is animation. And I’m really sorry for late reply yt didn’t gave me any notification I thought you didn’t replied. Love your videos ❤❤
Ryzen 9s are kind of a sweet spot if you get it for a really good price. I think they deserve a better place. For me, I got the Ryzen 9 7900 for 239$ (discounted), and because I do my productivity stuff with the same PC I game with, its a really good and efficient CPU for me. It ultimately comes down to the user. If you want top of the line gaming CPU, go with the Ryzen 7 / i5?? (idk the intel equivalent lol) series. However, if you use your productivity apps (Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Blender...) than stepping up to a Ryzen 9 / i7-9 would be the best option. I chose the Ryzen 9 7900 non-X variant cause I want to be as efficient as possible. If you do not have limits, go for the Ryzen 9 7900X - 7950x. They are much more power efficient than their Intel equivalents. (About %10 speed difference, i think).
You need more subscribers. Personally i bought the R5 7600 over the 7600x because of price difference in my country, where the non x is at $180 and the x version is at $220. And since the performance difference isn't that big, i opted for the cheapest
I live in Brazil, and I feel kinda sad knowing that the Ryzen 5 4600G, 5 5000, and 5 3600 are ranked lower because here in Brazil, the bad management of the government means that if we would rank these CPUS above we would have ranked them higher, in comparison a Ryzen 5 3600 would be US$125 if we convert to Real to USD
Recently upgraded from 12400 to 12700k. I have a rtx 4070. Yesterday my Spiderman Remastered FPS doubled. Other games on 1440p run better too. Files transfers significantly better. I knew 12400 was not powerful enough @ 1440 but i believed these kind of reviews from before. Bad mistake.
My idea its buy something with graphics already, and has to be amd for later on put a graphics card and a 7800x3d, yall think its good to buy a 5 8600g and do that upgrade later? I dont have the money to buy something like the 7800x3d and a graphics card right now cause im a teen and i only work in summer, or yall just think i should be some time with some graphics card really cheap but the 7800x3d? Thanks
People buying the 5800x3D are not looking to upgrade, but get the best that they could push the platform without RAM/ MB investment. That money can instead be used to upgrade to Blackwell. If someone builds a PC to start an upgrade path, they don't want to spend more at the beginning, around $200 is the starter budget limit IMO. The 5800x3D is an endgame for AM4, and many having 3600/ 3700x, even 5600x would really get their platform's worth with this CPU. So this CPU is for those already on AM4. 12700K/KF are as rightly pointed out, a tier above 5800x3D. One of their best selling points is the way they handle RPCS3. They are the CPU to brute force with, and with 12900K running hotter (12700K can be air-cooled with a D15) and 13/14th gens giving more blue screens than getting actual work done, 12700K is the GOAT of P/E architecture, at least on DDR4. And btw, AM4 is still alive with 5900XT/ 5800XT. Trust AMD to release more products still 🤡
I was running a 5600X3D cooled by a Thermalright Assassin Mini with a Zotac Trinity 4070 ti but sold it for 700 and downgraded to a $280 6750XT twin-fan from Powercolor. It's on an Asrock B550 ITX board with 64GB of 3600mt/s DDR4, a 2TB Gen 4 Primary NVMe, and two-2TB 2.5 SATA SSDs powered by a 650w Redragon modular 80+G PSU inside of a Thermaltake Core V1 Snow.
Issue with lots of powerful CPUS y temperature and power consumption huge not worth it for gaming but for AI and video editing wow they fly freely for AMD just some adjustments on the Bios to undervolt them so temperatures don’t go 😂to fry an egg 🍳 and you have a power house
I built my PC back in 2016, and since then mentally checked out of the hardware world. Now I want to build a new one and everything is so confusing, especially AMD's new line of GPU's. I don't know what's last gen or current gen... Videos like this are super helpful, so thank you for that.
Just got a 7700x on Mercari new for $240.. offered 200 n didn’t realize they charge a massive processing fee but still cheaper than a non x version and about $100 cheaper than the 7800x3d… ill probably upgrade when the new x3d chip comes out
I am currently using an almost 4 year old 3060 laptop and is planning to build a 4070 SFF pc. I havent been updated about the new CPUs espcially the AMD for the past years. I almost fell into into buying that garbage Ryzen 7 8700F 🤣. Thanks for this, im decided to buy R5 7500F instead. I think this is perfect for SFF build because of its decent TDP(for cooling) but still capable of powering 4070(or maybe im wrong?)
I will tell that the reason to launch am4 stuff at 2024 is because amd is expected to support this zen3 technology for around 2 years more and some of them are not well...they don't sold so much, this means they had to relaunch/rebranch/rename some of them. Thats reason for 5800xt to exist (5900 variant might be out of stock soon). Hope this answer your about 39min question in video.
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Warthunder is a great game, you need to invest your life into it to make it too high tier, but its just a fantastic game, that has survived time and reinvented itself. Ive been playing since 2013, and sure, there has been issues and gripes but the game is just always adapting and growing, and i still play it heavily at times.
Where is my CPU: amd ryzen 7 3700x
do you really think i watched te whole video ? absolutely not, thanks to the time stamp, i skippped all the way to end just to see the best one, thats it, and i got it, its 7800x3d, thank you brother! a like for your effort 🥰🥰❤❤👍👍
btw where is GPU tier list ?🥰
Attack the D point!
Just upgraded to a ryzen 3 3200g what a beast never drops below 30fps @ 480p
You gave me the laugh that I've needed for a while. Thank you.
im here looking to upgrade from that and it strangely works
thats a thing
Lmao. What? This is satire right?
thats my cpu right there. sobs in low fps gameplay
Very happy I didn't follow the Advice of a friend to buy the Ryzen 9 5950X, and instead followed what everyone had been saying and went with the Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Your friend is a real moron...
that man almost set up up😭😂 unless maybe you do a lot of productivity work yea you'd have hated yourself for that
What graphics card do you have with that? I want to get a high end amd graphics card as well to pair with it
@@davidavery6215The 7800X3D is so cracked will probably handle all high-end graphics cards in the next 7 years or something, just get what you want, the 7900xtx is the best (but not most price efficient) card AMD offers
@@davidavery6215 4070 super is best imo for budget within the card. 64gb ddr5 ram 2tb nvme
7800x3D gang rise up!
👇
It's life-changing.
Homie said 350.
Got it in my microcenter bundle for 209, riptide 650m 119, 64gb ddr5 6000 32 for 192.
Bam.
7800X3D is my first AMD CPU
But tbh doesn't matter that much at 4K
@@russellebentondamn
@russellebenton bruv I got mine for 110 bucks, lol from microcenter
Before watching the video, I’d say the 5600, 5700X3D, 7500F and 7800X3D on the AMD side. For Intel, I’d say the 12400F, 12600KF and the 13600KF
We got a mind reader here.
Damn bro
i have ryzen 5 4600g
is it good
@@hermit-hackney-bluegillidk is it?
@@hermit-hackney-bluegill if u have it already then its good
but only for budget 1080p gaming, rx580 to rx6650xt i guess
if you dont have it yet then dont but the 4600g 💀
Avoid all 13th and 14th
Why?
Intel 13th and 14th gen cpu is failing
@@Levi-rr4xc Oxidation, nearly a 100% failure rate reported, Intel as a company may be done, I never thought I would hear that in my lifetime, but ya, it might be the end of Intel as a company actually. esp since soon nvidia will start competing in the CPU race
Any RUclipsr or reviewer who recommends 13th or 14th gen Intel CPUs should be ignored
They even said they wont recall them, if you buy them its on you.
Hey Scattervolt,
You're awesome at explaining how to build PCs, even though you might not get all the recognition you deserve Your step-by-step guides are super clear and easy to follow especially for someone like me who's just getting into this stuff.I appreciate how you take your time to explain what each part does and how to put it all together. Your videos not only teach me how to build a PC but also how to fix things if they go wrong. Keep up the great work-you're a fantastic teacher for anyone wanting to build their own computer! YOUR THE BEST PC RUclipsR
Thank you so much!
For real Scattervolt is my favourite PC RUclipsr
dude i was just watching the previous one earlier, thanks for posting an update
My pleasure
I bought the Micro Center 5600X3D bundle and sold my old CPU with the bundled board and RAM. In the end, the 5600X3D cost me $60. Many did similar with the bundles. That is the true advantage of having a Micro Center down the street, its crazy sweet.
I got the 7700 bundle it’s working great
the only reason why 5600x3d is not a good deal because its been sold only in america
Europeans could only dream
We don't have them in UK or anything like it :(
went from 5600x to 5800x3d soo i can skip am5
valid
Same. What GPU
Hows the upgrade going?
@@dya_messtv It's awesome. Trust me. Right memory and GPU and SSD. You are wonderful!
Not surprised to see the i5-12400F rated pretty highly at $110. I bought mine two years ago for $160 and it has been outstanding not just for gaming but I do some software video compression with it too in Handbrake and am pretty pleased with the H.265 encode times even setting the encoder to the slow preset. Feel like the cpu has been even better bang for your buck than the Xeon E3-1231v3 I bought in 2014 to get i7 performance for i5 prices (paid $250 for that one though back when Intel dominated the market and could charge more).
12400 is pretty neat. I’m glad it’s stood the test of time.
Nice video! I was thinking about to upgrade my CPU AM4 so this was a great insight. You should do a motherboard Tier List for 2024 as well!
Maybe. Would I split it up by AM5 vs LGA 1800?
b550 tier
B650 MSI MAG Tomahawk S tier lets go
Ryzen 9 doesn't have a 20%-50% chance of bricking can't say that about 13th&14th gen i9
You must've read my mind. I'm stuck on choosing my next cpu from a 12100f. Didn't see the need for a new motherboard so this helped a lot!
@@KurosuGon I already rock the 12100f with ddr4 ram. The 7500f is a valid option however, thanks a lot
5700X3D + any B450/B550 board
Seems about right looking at where my 12700k sits, Still quite happy with it now it's about to be 3 gens behind when Arrow Lake comes out later this year.
same
I'm still on AM4, but I upgraded to the 5700x3d paired with 4070 Super. Hopefully I can get another 4 years or more with this combo. Very informative vid thanks!
You're set
CPU is good choice but 12gb vram might be a bottleneck.
@@gamercoder4551 It works fine thanks
Same here.
Had 3700X paired with RTX 4070.
Upgraded to 5700x3D this weekend.
For 1080p ultrawide, I am set for next 4yrs hopefully
@@AniketMohite1988 Yeah you'd be set for that long. ScatterVolt helps out a lot for builds.
Probably the only hour long RUclips video I'd actually watch the whole way through
Thank you so much and thanks for being a supporter of the channel! I kinda like these longer than normal tier list videos. I think it's a winning combo haha.
Bought a 7800X3D recently to pair with various other upgrades including an MSI 4080Super I've overclocked to 3000Mhz. Previously had a 3900X CPU overclocked all core from 3.6Ghz to 4.3Ghz. The difference in gaming and even workstation performance is mind boggling. Even though it has 4 less cores and 8 less threads it's not even close. Some games I have doubled my FPS. Glad I upgraded. a shame I had to do it in parts as the one time cost was too much in one go
Awesome
One thing you didn't realise is that while people might get an aftermarket cooler for a 7600, the 7600X needs a far more powerful cooler ($80+) where the 7600 can make do with a basic cooler.
My 5700x brethren WE LIVE LONGER!!!! TIME FOR BEERS.
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@@ScatterVolt 🍻🍺🍺🍺
5700X/RTX 4070 SUPER🍻🍻🍻🍻
@@rnwilliams44 🍻🍻🍺🍺🍺
I chose this in my kid’s first build. It’s defo a winner.
Wtf... Show us the final list for a couple of seconds so we can pause and switch to a shopping site... 😢
Can we all appreciate the effort you put in your quality videos.
Thank my editor too. He went giga mode to edit this entire video
GUYS WHATS THE BEST CPU FOR A rx6650xt!!!! Or 6700 xt!!
PLEASE TELL ME ASAP
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Microcenter motherboard bundles throw price to performance way out of whack... if you live near one definitely check it out 😅
(sometimes they cost barely more than the price of the CPU itself, all for a CPU, Motherboard, and RAM)
Yeahh, I don't count those lol. They break the system haha.
Started on AM4 with R7 3700x & RTX 2060 in Jan 2020 with a 1080p ultrawide monitor.
Upgraded to R7 5700x3d & RTX 4070 earlier this year.
Hoping the upgraded combo can last me another 4yrs or so.
That sound like a nice combo, can you tell more details about your computer?
You'll have have no problem getting 4 yrs out of that combo.
@@srgroot5678
CPU: R7 5700X3D with old Wraith Prism cooler
GPU: RTX 4070 12gb
RAM: 2 x 16gb RAM cl16 3200mhz
Mobo: MSI X470 gaming pro carbon
PSU: Corsair 650W
Storage: 250GB nvme SSD (windows) + 500gb nvme SSD (games) + 1TB SSHD firecuda
Case: Corsair iCUE 220T RGB Airflow
Monitor: 34inch LG ultrawide monitor (75hz)
@@bigd7481 surely hope so.
@@AniketMohite1988 thanks buddy
im so glad i can get the 7500F everywhere here in Malaysia. It only costs 127USD converted. 😅
Incredible!
hello fellow MYsian
Very useful information!
5800x 3d in D is criminal
I have a 14700k and im happy with it, because ive had many many problems with my Ryzen 7 5800X before that, so Intel was the way to go and tbh i dont care about having to buy a new motherboard for the next upgrade because i always get a new one if im upgrading
If you haven't heard , 14th and 13th gen i7s and i9s have hardware ishues , hopefully you have one of the good batches . But just in case , upgrade the bios rn . and wait for the intel bios update in micro code so it doesnt degrade or at least degrade's slower . Intel 13th and 14th high end chips are getting unstable , crashing , and eventually dieng as the chip degrades due to the high high voltages. Intel is still trying to do damage control and not telling us everything , we know there was manufacturing issues in there main Arizona factory .
My 13700kf hasnt had issues yet , but i undervolted it from the start . and even more so recently after i heard the ishues. hope we both have some of the better non flawed chips
Its funny to see, that the 7500f is a Aliexpress only CPU in the the states. As for Germany, you can order a 7500f like any other CPU. like a 7800x3d. But in my opinion, its a bit sad, that we cannot get the 5600x3d.
I got my 7500f today from the established german online hardware shop Mindfactory. It cost me 145 Euro which is around 155 USD. It was an upgrade to my ryzen5 3600 and I am so hyped to play Elden Ring on max settings now :)
Could have used this video Long before I bought my pc i9-14900kf stinks get the ryzen 7 7800x3d
As a 5800X3D user, I do agree that while the CPU is great at gaming, it should not be considered for a new build. AM4 shouldn't be considered at all anymore. I would even say that if you were gifted an AM4 motherboard, but needed Ram and a CPU, it would still be a better idea to buy a lower end CPU on AM5, and spend a little more to get the whole AM5 setup. Even a 7600X can often match the 5800X3D in gaming (right now), and you will have an upgrade path. I had several AM4 PC's, and I did a rolling upgrade on existing systems, that already had RAM and CPUs.
Well put.
The fact that only the R5 3600 is the only CPU from the pre 2020s that is rated here is saying something.
5600x is not D tier. Extremely good budget cpu today
I approve, I still have this cpu in 2024🥲
@@monarKIL same
I recently upgraded my AM4 CPU to 5700X3D, you can find it brand new between $200-$210. And I would say that if you are just upgrading than this is an S-teir CPU
What I'm taking away from this is that my recent upgrade from a 9 3900X to the 7 5700X3D was the smartest thing I could do with my B550 motherboard. Good to know.
Fun fact, the 7500F is actually sold at quite a few shops here in Denmark
Pretty sold how?
Like there's demand for it
It doesn't just collect dust@@drumzbysandy5758
Here in The Netherlands as well, lowest at this time is 151 euro's for a tray version
@@drumzbysandy5758 Was pretty damn tired when I wrote that
@@TBX12 ở Việt Nam hàng tray có giá 3.500.000VNĐ ~ $140 USD
i bought few days ago combo of 7800x3d with rtx 4070 ti super and it have been great great few days when it comes to cooler i went with Arctic Liquid Freezer III 240 2x120mm and temps are in great spot for example cyberpunk or ghost of tsushima with highest settings avaiable does nto make my cpu go over 64*C when ti comes to average temp the highest i saw was 67 i bellive
You are all set haha
@@ScatterVolt yeah i mean it was an upgrade after almost 6 years so yeah had to do something :D went with adata 32 2x16 6ghz cl30 lancer blade rams and for with m2 from my good old home country GOODRAM m.2 who never dissapointed me when it comes to ram or ssd
I hope you enjoy every meal you eat man. You’re a blessing for people like me just getting into PC building
Thank you
Still quite happy with my purchase and use of an R5 3600X, holding up after almost 5 years of use, but I might upgrade soon (going to get either a ryzen 7000 series or a 9000 series, but it still depends on their availability, or overhaul my board and switch to intel which depends if ryzen stocks here are a plenty). Overall fair ratings, great job and great video.
I got the 7700 from AliExpress for $171 when they had that sale. That makes it jump up to the S tier for me.
Wow!
I got the 4070 super with the ryzen 7 7800x3d which runs great ;)
Glad to see my CPU in the S tier
Which one is it?
@ScatterVolt R7 7800X3D gang! My mainboard broke and needed replacing, so I switched entirely and went with AMD, sold my i9 12900 to a friend for cheap. Best decision ever made.
amd did confirm 7800x3d is faster than the recently announced 9000 series cards, in gaming.
you cannot go wrong with this purchase.
i highly agree with Marc and totally recommend it!
Well I also heard amd bumped up the TDP on the 9700X to account for this
I have a i9 12900k undervolted and i love it! Does draw so much power tho..
Imagine this guy at parties.....i could talk to him all day!
Haha
fun fact: buying a gpu/cpu off of aliexpress grants u a pair of balls
😂
Ryzen 5 7500f 🙌🏼🙌🏼
🎉🎉
I9-14900k works fine for me (none better on market right now beyond KS/F etc ) no issues been over a year since having one 4k max gaming on a 4090 i do have a 420 AIO with double fan kits max on this to keep temps in 65-70C range even when running CB
Yo guys im a gamer and an editor using 3d stuff ( but i play a lot of video games) so should i get r9 7900x3d or r7 7800x3d ?
optimus prime
7950x3d It's perfect for everything. 7900x3d is good at nothing
5950x used is like 250bucks. Get a better gpu and you get overkill performance in 4k
Such a crazy an amazing video!! Quality! I got the 7900X3D for $310!! For me, I’d say that’s A-tier worthy
Yeah that's a banging good deal
I am happy owner of r7 7800X3D and I think cpu will not need replace for next 3 generations.
What gpu do you use?
@@sanojca4670 RTX 3080 Suprim X 12GB
Agreed
I have a 5800x3d and even tho it’s slower I think I can also say the same.
@@TheBob3269 5800x3D is pretty fine CPU.
What an excellent price to performance rating exercise! The "S" and "A" categories are golden. Personally, I purchased an 13600K for $325 (earlier), after a great deal of research. I will be changing nothing until Intel's 18th gen. comes out. Moreover, at that point, I may strongly consider a comparable AMD chip as well.
Thank you for the feedback!
Rocking a Ryzen 7 5800X3D and a Ryzen 5 5600. Super happy with these cpus..though am now thinking of upgrading my Radeons (5700XT & 6700XT) to the newer gen Radeons once the prices are okay 👍
the gre would be great
A 7900gre or a well priced 7900xt
@@jrmyg1621 great choice, thx!
@@DillonCatterson great choice! but actually am eyeing a 7800XT, coz my case is very small, so couldn't fit a 3-fan GPU (the Sapphire Pulse 7800XT is 2-fan). But when the time comes, I would just probably upgrade the casing too.
Currently rocking a Ryzen 7 5800x3D with an RTX 4070. I've had that combo for a bit over a year now and I think I'm still set for another 6!
Soo I just got a 4070 super with a 7800x3d but I also saw a 4080 super but with i7 14700k. Would I be dumb to return my pc and get the 4080 super with i7 14700k?
Gpu is an upgrade but new intel cpus are faulty so no. Stick with the build you got. i have the same specs too and its fantastic.
SOOOOOOOLID tier list
Solid comment
My prebuilt came with a Ryzen 7 5700. I’m running it with a 4080 and so far I haven’t had problems running any games at 4k max settings save Jedi Survivor. Is it the best processor? No, but I got it on a heavily discounted prebuilt so it works good enough for me.
I switched from both Intel and Nvidia and bough the 7800 x3d CPU combined with the 7900 XTX GPU. The only regret I have is not doing it sooner.
Why did you chose that GPU?
@@soulsmoulswhat's wrong with that one?
@@soulsmoulshe literally got one of the best cards in the world.
@@awaiswasi354 i just want to know because i'm about to built my own PC
@@ReV_Prime I'm interested in also getting it
Hey Can you please help me I am confused between 7700XT & 7600XT 16GB ?? Which one to go with ? CPU - Ryzen 5 7600
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Same
Main thing i disagree with is placing the 7600X above the 7600. I prefer the non x because its much more power efficient for basically the same performance. The free stock cooler is an added bonus too
You'll never use the stock cooler with a 7600, like I said in the video
@@ScatterVolt yeah I know that's why I said it last. Also it's free so even if you don't use it you still can't complain. Can always sell it
Heyy, I recently just upgraded my setup and went with a i9 14900k and rtx 4080 super for gaming/content creation. But I noticed you said the 14900k isn’t good for gaming, why is that? And should I switch to a different cpu
Have you seen the video yet? He explained that the I9 14900K was designed and is suitable for things related to editing, rendering or similar things, not for gaming because the CPU temperature is too hot when used for gaming. Of course I9 14900K can do the same for gaming but it is not worth it.
if u only want gaming u would be better off getting a 7800x3d and 4090
only asking because I only decided to go with the 14900k because I also do editing and such, but if it’s going to affect my gameplay recordings since I do gaming content then I’ll probably just go with the amd counterpart
@@WinterKloudz 7950x3d?
@@WinterKloudz u better do it quick cuz they gonna bump up their prices to sell more of their 9000 series cpus
7600 and 7600x in B tier is gross 🤢, they are absolute GOAT tier 🗿
I'll still be rocking my 5800X3D for a very long time to come.
This is the way
I bought 7800x3D 2d ago and paired it with RX 7800XT OC
Where would you put the Ryzen 5 7600x3d now?
you can get the 7800x3d ltierally everywhere for 340 usd
Right now yes, but historically it’s $350-$380
Prime day sales are coming up, so that’s messed up prices a little bit
I got an i7-12700f for 95$ usd new, so for me that's the S+ tier.
Wow. You sure you didn’t get scammed?
I got a 5900x for 300€ back in the beginning of 2023 and it hasnt disappointed me... both for gaming and other tasks
Hurts to see my 5900X being put that low. I build around it before X3D's time, otherwise it would have definitely been a 5800X3D. To be honest, anyone building a PC right now should go for the 7800X3D. It's ~320€ here and you just can't beat that. The one chip that comes close in gaming performance is the 14900KF and you'll pay almost double for beating for 7800X3D by a few % in a few selected games.
I'm not even sure what budget CPUs I'd currently recommend. The 7800X3D is so good it makes every other chip feel like a waste of money or performance, lol.
For 2020, the 5900X was excellent
For 2024, it’s no longer recommended to build a new pc around
And I agree with your opinion on the 7800X3D lol.
For those who targeting Valorant and/or CS2: GET R5 5600 instead of 12400F. It smoked 12400F in Valorant and CS2 (and even higher tier 12600K) because of its 32MB cache. And if your budget allows things like 12600KF, get 5700X3D (or 5800X3D if isn't more than $10-15 than the lower tier) and your next upgrade is probably 7800X3D.
PCIE 4.0 is the only advantage on the R5 3600 honestly.
Zen2 has a split cache with 2 16MB cluster on a CCD which have 2 CCX, 16MB of L3 cache per CCX, and 3 cores per CCX, so you don't really have fast access to that much of a cache, making it not that much of advantage. But on Zen 3, you have a unified L3 cache between 2 CCX, and with half of the L3 cache, technically all cores still have access to the same 16MB of cache.
In games that utilize higher clock and IPC than cache, 5500 starts to take the lead.
If you are into enthusiast stuff like RAM overclocking, 5500 can pair with 4400 easily without sacrificing anything on the latency because IMC can match 4400MT/s RAM with 2200 on FCLK. All of the repurposed APUs from Zen 2 and beyond can do this because of their monolithic design, which means the IOD is also at 7nm and clock higher.
And about Intel 'Raptor Lake' non-K. They are all Alder Lake or 12th gen if you guys prefer that. Just look at memory support on Intel Ark, Alder Lake (officially) supports DDR5-4800, Raptor Lake is DDR5-5600. Example: 13600K and 13500. If you think 13500 is just lower bin 13600K, you are wrong. None of Raptor Lake upgrades are on that. Smaller cache, worse memory support. But in exchange for being Alder Lake, much better in terms of stability and has no Raptor Lake instability issues (even 13600K and 14600K have instability issues, the chance is just slimmer since users usually pair it with a B board that has more relax on voltage regulation usually give higher voltage so lacking-of-voltage too boost behave better)
P/s: Both non-K and K series CPUs are fine with 6000MT/s, they are just the official supports, which doesn't mean they can't run better than that.
how can you not like this video... LIKE THE VIDEO 🫵🫵
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Welp the 13/14 700/900s are all getting Garbo now...
whats better 1.5 7500f and 7900 gre or 2. 5 7600x and 7800xt. i know the 2. option harmonies better but. 1. option is faster and if you ahve to upgrade in future you only have to upgrade the 7500f. what do you guys think?
There is no such thing as “harmony” for pc parts
@@ScatterVolt ye ty Bro. But Thanks for edvice
I upgraded to a 5800x3d from a 3600 trying to make my am4 last as long as possible. Hopefully until whatever comes after am5 drops a couple years from now.
7950X3D should be atleast an A Tier, maybe an S Tier CPU. Its expensive, ok, but you can select the 3D cores for the game and the non-3D cores for everyhting else which gives you more game performance for all games which needs a lot of CPU power, like Escape from Tarkov for example. And you can run a lot of stuff in the backgrouch which doesnt effect the game performance.
I agree on the 5800x3d. Great for whoever is on am4, not so great if you are going to build a new.
Where I honestly disagree is in regards the 14700k/kf, it is faster than the 13700k, it has more cores , copes with faster ddr5 memory but in particular handles high speed ddr4 in 1 to 1 ratio , sometimes , sillicon lottery allowing, even reaching 4400 ore more in 1 to 1 with tight timings . In addition often in europe at least is 20 to 30 eu more than the 13700k, so for around 30 eu you get higher speed, better ram support and a pretty good number of cores that at least for non professional use handles anything a normal user can throw at it, including video edition , it is kind of a i9 that performs 5 or so % worse but cost 150-170 less. Not saying is S tier or anything but should probably be a c+
This video was very useful even for me who lives in another country, Ryzen's cpu stands out in the Brazilian market for delivering great value for money, this video helped me analyze whether this is also reflected in other regions of the international market, here they are and the ones that stand out the most, mainly due to the economic issue of our country, are the builds with Ryzen 5600 and 5700x3d as the am5 for now becomes unfeasible and meaningless for many, but with this list the 5600 really seems to be well balanced, but some even consider the Intel platform but its cost-benefit in relation to longevity ends up being the determining factor in opting for AMD CPUs, at least here.
Welp, I'm kind of eff'd that the "best" CPU that I can get (that're compatible with my current MB with AM4 Socket, and available at my usual tech store) are D Tier
(5800X3D & 5800x)
I'm playing the long game, I'm waiting for Zen 6 to come out (yes, 6 not 5) so that the 5800X3D is so cheap (I expect about 100usd) and then I upgrade from my current 5600.
I'll be on AM4 until the very end
Hey scattervolt,
I really need your help I’m confused, should I get a Rx 6800 or a 3070,3070ti (all from used market) I’m main purpose is to do 2d Animation, video editing and might do live streaming at some point, Rx6800 got that 16gb of vram compared to just 8gb on both nvidia gpus. But I’ve that amd is not good for streaming and video editing idk what to choose, I really don’t care about RT OR DLLS btw. Help!!!
AMD is good for streaming and for video editing
How serious are you about 2d animation? If you aren't making a living from it, then AMD.
@@ScatterVolt I really can’t say I was thinking about learning 2d animation and make a yt channel coz I love telling stories and animation could be a good way to do it. It’s all for RUclips if it worked than maybe I’ll be making living out of it I really can’t say, + if everything worked than I will be living streaming video games coz I love playing games too, in short I’m at the very beginning stage of animation and my main focus is animation. And I’m really sorry for late reply yt didn’t gave me any notification I thought you didn’t replied. Love your videos ❤❤
Pretty fair, pretty based. Can't wait for the next tier list witn the Ryzen 9000 and the fallout of the 13th and 14th Gen Intel debacle.
Ryzen 9s are kind of a sweet spot if you get it for a really good price. I think they deserve a better place. For me, I got the Ryzen 9 7900 for 239$ (discounted), and because I do my productivity stuff with the same PC I game with, its a really good and efficient CPU for me. It ultimately comes down to the user.
If you want top of the line gaming CPU, go with the Ryzen 7 / i5?? (idk the intel equivalent lol) series. However, if you use your productivity apps (Premiere Pro, Photoshop, Blender...) than stepping up to a Ryzen 9 / i7-9 would be the best option. I chose the Ryzen 9 7900 non-X variant cause I want to be as efficient as possible. If you do not have limits, go for the Ryzen 9 7900X - 7950x. They are much more power efficient than their Intel equivalents. (About %10 speed difference, i think).
You need more subscribers. Personally i bought the R5 7600 over the 7600x because of price difference in my country, where the non x is at $180 and the x version is at $220. And since the performance difference isn't that big, i opted for the cheapest
I live in Brazil, and I feel kinda sad knowing that the Ryzen 5 4600G, 5 5000, and 5 3600 are ranked lower because here in Brazil, the bad management of the government means that if we would rank these CPUS above we would have ranked them higher, in comparison a Ryzen 5 3600 would be US$125 if we convert to Real to USD
R$1,00=US$5,75
Recently upgraded from 12400 to 12700k. I have a rtx 4070.
Yesterday my Spiderman Remastered FPS doubled. Other games on 1440p run better too.
Files transfers significantly better.
I knew 12400 was not powerful enough @ 1440 but i believed these kind of reviews from before. Bad mistake.
My idea its buy something with graphics already, and has to be amd for later on put a graphics card and a 7800x3d, yall think its good to buy a 5 8600g and do that upgrade later? I dont have the money to buy something like the 7800x3d and a graphics card right now cause im a teen and i only work in summer, or yall just think i should be some time with some graphics card really cheap but the 7800x3d? Thanks
I get why the ryzen 7800x3d is goated but the ryzen 7700x for being close to $100 cheaper is such a great cpu for gaming, streaming, productivity.
People buying the 5800x3D are not looking to upgrade, but get the best that they could push the platform without RAM/ MB investment. That money can instead be used to upgrade to Blackwell. If someone builds a PC to start an upgrade path, they don't want to spend more at the beginning, around $200 is the starter budget limit IMO. The 5800x3D is an endgame for AM4, and many having 3600/ 3700x, even 5600x would really get their platform's worth with this CPU. So this CPU is for those already on AM4.
12700K/KF are as rightly pointed out, a tier above 5800x3D. One of their best selling points is the way they handle RPCS3. They are the CPU to brute force with, and with 12900K running hotter (12700K can be air-cooled with a D15) and 13/14th gens giving more blue screens than getting actual work done, 12700K is the GOAT of P/E architecture, at least on DDR4.
And btw, AM4 is still alive with 5900XT/ 5800XT. Trust AMD to release more products still 🤡
i’m planning on going with the 5600, good to here that is a good cpu
I have the 5600, it's performing great. Not that expensive either, got it for around €120
when your ryzen 7 3700x is not even on the list.... time to upgrade lol
I’m late on this video but man I built my first pc with the 7800 x3D and it’s amazing I love it and with games no problem run them all max settings
I disagree with your assessment of the Ryzen 7 5800x. I have it with my RTX 2080 ti and I love it. I got it new/open box for $160 usd before tax.
I was running a 5600X3D cooled by a Thermalright Assassin Mini with a Zotac Trinity 4070 ti but sold it for 700 and downgraded to a $280 6750XT twin-fan from Powercolor. It's on an Asrock B550 ITX board with 64GB of 3600mt/s DDR4, a 2TB Gen 4 Primary NVMe, and two-2TB 2.5 SATA SSDs powered by a 650w Redragon modular 80+G PSU inside of a Thermaltake Core V1 Snow.
Issue with lots of powerful CPUS y temperature and power consumption huge not worth it for gaming but for AI and video editing wow they fly freely for AMD just some adjustments on the Bios to undervolt them so temperatures don’t go 😂to fry an egg 🍳 and you have a power house
26:48 the Ryzen 7 5800X retails for 130€ ~140$ in EU right now.
How would you guys rate this deal. I mean it is even cheaper the 7500F
I built my PC back in 2016, and since then mentally checked out of the hardware world. Now I want to build a new one and everything is so confusing, especially AMD's new line of GPU's. I don't know what's last gen or current gen... Videos like this are super helpful, so thank you for that.
Just got a 7700x on Mercari new for $240.. offered 200 n didn’t realize they charge a massive processing fee but still cheaper than a non x version and about $100 cheaper than the 7800x3d… ill probably upgrade when the new x3d chip comes out
I'd assume it's used? Still a decent deal but a brand new 7700 goes for $180.
I am currently using an almost 4 year old 3060 laptop and is planning to build a 4070 SFF pc.
I havent been updated about the new CPUs espcially the AMD for the past years. I almost fell into into buying that garbage Ryzen 7 8700F 🤣.
Thanks for this, im decided to buy R5 7500F instead. I think this is perfect for SFF build because of its decent TDP(for cooling) but still capable of powering 4070(or maybe im wrong?)
I will tell that the reason to launch am4 stuff at 2024 is because amd is expected to support this zen3 technology for around 2 years more and some of them are not well...they don't sold so much, this means they had to relaunch/rebranch/rename some of them. Thats reason for 5800xt to exist (5900 variant might be out of stock soon).
Hope this answer your about 39min question in video.