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She was very much a villain. She didn't even try to resist the influence of Hell, disregarded any warnings and sacrificed so much just for her own benefit. At least, the Khan Makyr did what she had to safeguard her species. I can't deny she had it worse than Betruger though. :/
I have no sympathy for Elivia. She had promised her cultists power and influence in hell but she knew they would get nothing but death. She had planned to sacrifice all of Earth for enernal life and to gain power and a place in the upper hierarchy of hell. She knew exactly what she was doing and who she was hurting for her selfish gain. She is a villain in my eyes with no redeeming qualities. Her story ended perfect as her brain turned into the grand canyon.
Maybe Olivia was under the influence of the artifacts, not just physically, but mentally too. Hayden was an idiot to not rotate the crew in the Lazarus lab. He enabled what he wanted to avoid in the first place.
A lot of it just seems like bad writing. Like why would the pain medication affect her ability to think but not the excruciating pain? Why did Hayden do nothing while Olivia was obviously being influenced by the artifacts when he had plenty of experience with hell? They just didn’t consider these things when writing it
@@kazcavYou must be new here. Doom has one of the richest and most complex stories in gaming history, and Doom Eternal is probably one of the most lore filled of the bunch. The only difference is that the lore is all buried in text as opposed to cutscenes and stuff. But these games have almost more lore than a lot of other games.
@@corvus8638Because Hayden wanted everything to happen. He's a Seraphim (an angel) who served the father (VEGA) and he knew the only way to defeat the dark lord was for hell to invade and the Doom Slayer awakened. He absolutely wanted all that to happen, that's why he did nothing. He knew what Olivia was doing, and he knew she'd do it before she did it. He wanted hell to invade. It was the only way to defeat the Khan Makyr and The Dark Lord. It wasn't bad writing at all, you just haven't got all the facts.
That shot of the BFG into the mouth still is so cool. A deserving ending for someone who tried to sacrifice the whole world for her own gain. Olivia might have been manipulated but also was evil herself. I mean, if the demons of hell make an statue to honor you...
Samur Makyr bears some responsibility for Olivia Pearce's fall but she used her free will to make some very questionable choices at first, and later her decisions became quite deranged and evil.
I never noticed the statue of Olivia, I was probably too focused on not being torn up by demons though. I've said this before, but the sudden transformation into the Spider Mastermind never made sense, but I think that if time worked differently in Hell, mere seconds for us could have been years of agony for her as her body and cybernetics were twisted into what she became.
Because they don't want to be a detective or do homework, probably. They just want to run, gun, and tear demons apart en masse. They don't need much justification to do it, as long as it's fun. Which makes perfect sense to me. I think DOOM 2016 honestly did a perfect compromise but Eternal shoved too much down some people's throats, and they don't like it.
I love your video, man. They bring me joy every day when I am looking for some good lore. There's are two things that I wanted to add: •In Doom Eternal codex surrounded Deag Ranak, it is said that the hell priest had some contact with Olivia Pierce, and she probably took some part on the invasion of Earth aswell. • Her legacy doesn't only end with her statue in Nekravol. In the codex of the Archnotron, it stated that they were created with the dna in the body of the original Spidermastermind. You could see the similarities in design and attacks.
Thanks for watching them. Looking back, I agree that I should have included that in the video. When I wrote it, I wanted to keep the video on Olivia and not bring up Argent D'Nur, the Hell Priests and why they wanted to take down Earth. It is something I have gone into in depth in a future video.
There's a line out there - the path to hell is paved with the best intentions... in this case, literally. She ended up too obsessed over something, and in the end, became a Benedict Arnold. The Demons of Hell made a statue of her, after all. Also, I remember my first time in that boss fight - I wasn't... very accurate with my guns yet (Still new to FPSs), and ended up using up all the ammo for all my guns, meaning that for the majority of that fight, I had to kill the spider with a pistol.
I find it very hard to believe that Samur Mykr has absolutely no clue what she was up to considering just how massive the Cultist operation was not just on Mars, but Earth as well. The resources required to create such massive complex bases would of had to come to the attention of Samur. It also seems like Samur did very little to actually stop Olivia. He could have killed her the minute he suspected something was wrong with her, but he didn't. Why? Was this part of the plan?
The dark lord probably manipulated Samur Maykr by implanting thoughts in him. This was why Samur Maykr thought of reversing orientation of the Divinity Machine to grant the doom slayer the Dark Lord's power. So even though the Father told Samur Maykr to head to Earth, he may have been also under the influence of the Dark Lord to allow certain humans to conduct research of demonic artifacts.
Yeah, to be honest, Hayden definitely did not see the bigger picture after all, he's been to that realm he should know the influence that certain objects from Hell would have on the minds of people he really should have kept what he found there locked up and observed from a safe distance there probably wasn't even a need for UP close and personal research not to mention when it comes to certain type of people that can be easily influenced it's people like Olivia workaholics who work over around-the-clock who already probably don't have the best mental state to begin with not to mention her chronic pains as well without a much healthy body, the mind would quickly deteriorate leaving you much more open to susceptible influence.
I think Olivia Pierce, when compared to Dr.Malcom from Doom 3, was kinda sloppy went it came to hiding her ultimate scheme. Her religious background kinda gave away to Samual that she wasn’t handling the UAC science team resources right, hence why the android went to find Doomguy. With that said I think her codex entries are interesting evil considering the perspective of a recruited scientist or staff member. She tells people that the science they do is their new faith (mixing religion with science, red flag already) telling them that the Titans realm is a honorable place to sacrifice yourself to uncaring titans, and also the fact that Revenants and Cyber Mancubi production was supervised by her (opposing to the UAC’s goal of simple energy extraction). It would also be worth mentioning that final farewell letter/codex we get on the level were we fight the Spider Mastermind, which I won’t read because it’s pretty long, but suffice to say that calling it a middle finger to humanity is a bit of an understatement.
Such a tragic end for her. She wants to be part of a vital scientific project for Earth, but she ends up being a manipulated, twisted creature faced with a horrific result. Doom's story has always been exciting, just as the fast-paced, bloody gameplay.
I have actually wondered if Malcom Betruger might be the Wretch spoken of in The Slayer Testament. It was established in 2016/Eternal that a Doom Multiverse with many different versions of Earth exists but they all share the same Hell. So is it possible that sometime after being trapped in Hell following the events of Doom 3, Betruger encountered the Doom Slayer and forged a suit of armor for him using both his expertise from his former life as a scientist and the knowledge he had gained about the power of Hell? As for why he would help the Slayer, it's possible the Betruger we encounter in Doom 3 wasn't Betruger at all but something that had possessed his body given how according to his colleagues, he basically became a different person after traveling to Hell. So maybe the real Betruger had been trapped in Hell ever since waiting for a chance to get revenge.
While her fate was ironic, it was also completely to be expected. Why do so many treacherous villains expect never to themselves become the victims of treachery?
Olivia was not herself the moment she got 'possessed' by the demons. Before she created the cult, whatever was controlling or influencing her was not Olivia herself; it was some demon pulling the puppet's strings. She was the puppet, or something along those lines. She was the victim until she became a demon-like and created that cult and the rest. She is the victim of demonic possession, and the rest are not her doings. I blame Samuel Hayden for not keeping an eye on her. i bet this wont fit in the story, im just rambling, after all she is dead, so thats that love your videos, cheers!
Glad to see you doing the content you clearly want to do and not just doing videos for the sake of the algorithm. I never even knew Doom had such deep lore until stumbling on your channel
@DONG-624 I dont understand your comment. I enjoyed the doom 2016 reboot the most. I enjoyed the cinematic feel (great executions and no super flashy distracting pickups). I enjoyed the mystery and story more than doom eternal's. Doom eternal turned into a sort of "every room is a multiwave arena" feel, and if I was not high on caffeen and well rested, there was no way I could clear a checkpoint in eternal. I enjoyed the multiplayer and community created maps. I hate the Praetor suit being sleeveless.... in space.... or burning hell. Doom 1 and 2 were great, doom 3 was a mixed bag, doom eternal turned into a super repeatative room clearing game especially in the dlcs that I had to just stop playing, but doom 2016 hit the mark for me.
Dude. We aren't talking about some vulnerable naive little girl tricked by the devil here. Olivia is supposedly one of the smartest humans alive with the very best education, she has access to near unlimited resources, material or otherwise. She's an elite living at the very tippy top of the 1%. There's no possibility in hell she doesn't know what it means to deal with the devil. No, she deserves only condemnation.
I don’t know why tf people believe demons when they promise some vague shit like eternal life or power. They’re mf demons, what did you think was going to happen????
I think there's a big part of the story that a lot of people miss, because DOOM was going for a show don't tell kind of story (sometimes). Both Sam Hayden and Olivia Pierce were the two people that spent the most time interacting with hell and artifacts from hell. Is it a coincidence they both got terminal illnesses? What I think happened was the demons gave Hayden brain cancer first and offered him a cure and power in exchange for his help. Because Hayden is such a badass he told them to pound sand, and built his own robot body instead. So then they tried the same tactic with Olivia, but this time it worked. That's why Hayden isn't at all surprised that Olivia betrayed humanity, he's simply "disappointed she wasn't stronger". He knew they would make that kind of offer because they made it with him. At the very least it's a fun theory. (I'm ignoring later stuff from Doom: Eternal because I think the Eternal lore is a convoluted step backwards, and more importantly because I don't think they had thought of any of it when writing DOOM 2016)
Hardens brain cancer is either faked or had something to do with his Makyr biology not quite gelling well with his human body. The faking part might be the fact he need to put certain parts of his brain in a robot so he could enter hell to find the slayer
hello Skyrrion Olivia Pierce is such a tragic Villain undone by her Intelligence and good intentions..But when One dine with the Devil one needs a long spoon
Doom 2016 plot feels like science fiction with a taste of a fantasy. Doom Eternal feels like a fantasy game with sci-fi background, very disappointing.
I think Hayden was focused on the development of Argent Energy project, which is why he probably gave Olivia a free-hand. However, Samur Makyr did notice Olivia's cult activities which is why he brought back the Doom Slayer. The Slayer was his contingency plan in the event things go wrong.
Hi, I absolutely love your videos, I think they may be the best doom lore videos on RUclips. I was wondering could you do a lore video about Argent Energy, or maybe about Hell itself like its history and hierarchy, perhaps even one on humanity’s history. Can’t wait to see your next vid.
One caviat - There does not need to be good intentions for demons to corrupt. Lots of humans have bad intentions to start with, they only need to be escalated over extremes.
I feel like she is Doomguy’s arch enemy. She is the basically the anti version of him and became the Spider Mastermind (which is The main antagonist of Doom 93)
I thought it was the Icon of Sin or Davoth. Both were adversaries the Slayer had a personal bone to pick with. Whereas Olivia was just another demon callaberator the Slayer had to deal with, much like the Hell Priests (who had more with history with the protagonist, being the reason he was inducted into the Night Sentinels in the first place).
Doom has such cool lore however the games honestly do a bad job telling the story. They put so much story in the codex and stuff but when we buy a game we want to experience the story not just read it. I hope in newer games they step up the storytelling because it comes off as lazy writting
Skyrion, sorry for the out of the blue question, but do you know if there is no version of "Fable" available to PS3, 4 or 5 ? I accept answers from other people too.
Dr. Malcolm Betruger from Doom 3 was supposed to turn into a spider mastermind like Dr. Olivia Pierce and be the end boss instead of the cyber demon, however that idea was scratched.
Was Olivia a villain or just another victim?
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She was very much a villain. She didn't even try to resist the influence of Hell, disregarded any warnings and sacrificed so much just for her own benefit. At least, the Khan Makyr did what she had to safeguard her species. I can't deny she had it worse than Betruger though. :/
I feel no remorse or pity for the wicked no matter the origins.
I think Olivia is a victim who got tempted by the dark power
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I have no sympathy for Elivia. She had promised her cultists power and influence in hell but she knew they would get nothing but death. She had planned to sacrifice all of Earth for enernal life and to gain power and a place in the upper hierarchy of hell.
She knew exactly what she was doing and who she was hurting for her selfish gain. She is a villain in my eyes with no redeeming qualities. Her story ended perfect as her brain turned into the grand canyon.
Cool
😂 that grand canyon got me
Maybe Olivia was under the influence of the artifacts, not just physically, but mentally too. Hayden was an idiot to not rotate the crew in the Lazarus lab. He enabled what he wanted to avoid in the first place.
Oh definitely under the influence of corruption. That's how the Dark Lord worked in general. Hayden could have absolutely done more.
A lot of it just seems like bad writing. Like why would the pain medication affect her ability to think but not the excruciating pain? Why did Hayden do nothing while Olivia was obviously being influenced by the artifacts when he had plenty of experience with hell? They just didn’t consider these things when writing it
@@corvus8638the pain was channeling demonic energy and her body was using it
@@kazcavYou must be new here. Doom has one of the richest and most complex stories in gaming history, and Doom Eternal is probably one of the most lore filled of the bunch. The only difference is that the lore is all buried in text as opposed to cutscenes and stuff. But these games have almost more lore than a lot of other games.
@@corvus8638Because Hayden wanted everything to happen. He's a Seraphim (an angel) who served the father (VEGA) and he knew the only way to defeat the dark lord was for hell to invade and the Doom Slayer awakened. He absolutely wanted all that to happen, that's why he did nothing. He knew what Olivia was doing, and he knew she'd do it before she did it. He wanted hell to invade. It was the only way to defeat the Khan Makyr and The Dark Lord. It wasn't bad writing at all, you just haven't got all the facts.
That shot of the BFG into the mouth still is so cool. A deserving ending for someone who tried to sacrifice the whole world for her own gain. Olivia might have been manipulated but also was evil herself. I mean, if the demons of hell make an statue to honor you...
If demons make statue's of you they either love or fear you.
If demons in hell makes statues of you, then you are a billionaire on earth 🏃
When did they make a statue of her and in which game
@@jhalynmendes2746in doom eternal you can see her statue in the last arena of nekravol part 1
So at what point of the game is that statue of Olivia?! @17:13 ?!
It also is cool that DNA from her demonic form was extracted and used to create arachnotrons as a sort of demonic legacy
Samur Makyr bears some responsibility for Olivia Pearce's fall but she used her free will to make some very questionable choices at first, and later her decisions became quite deranged and evil.
Oh 100% He could have done so much more.
You know the old saying, the road to Hell is paid with good intentions.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and giant spider demons"
Nice to see more DOOM videos. Maybe a "Demon Biology" for specific types of demons?
Roanoke gaming has ya covered! He does biology videos on tons of games and movies.
There's more DOOM to come. Biology isn't my kinda thing but as the other comment stated, Roanoke Gaming is pretty good at them.
@@Skyrionn you’re my favorite lore channel!
I never noticed the statue of Olivia, I was probably too focused on not being torn up by demons though.
I've said this before, but the sudden transformation into the Spider Mastermind never made sense, but I think that if time worked differently in Hell, mere seconds for us could have been years of agony for her as her body and cybernetics were twisted into what she became.
Absolutely. The Hell Priests had gathered so much power at this point too.
Just finished Doom eternal and ancients gods 1 and 2, and its freaking amazing !!! Nice content bro, love your vids!
Thanks for watching. Eternal was my favourite of the series too!
@@Skyrionn Indeed, it is the best doom so far.
Love the doom lore. Not sure why people WANT a boring story that’s just killing.
I'm all for a huge story. Got to love some deep lore
Because they don't want to be a detective or do homework, probably. They just want to run, gun, and tear demons apart en masse. They don't need much justification to do it, as long as it's fun.
Which makes perfect sense to me. I think DOOM 2016 honestly did a perfect compromise but Eternal shoved too much down some people's throats, and they don't like it.
I love your video, man. They bring me joy every day when I am looking for some good lore.
There's are two things that I wanted to add:
•In Doom Eternal codex surrounded Deag Ranak, it is said that the hell priest had some contact with Olivia Pierce, and she probably took some part on the invasion of Earth aswell.
• Her legacy doesn't only end with her statue in Nekravol. In the codex of the Archnotron, it stated that they were created with the dna in the body of the original Spidermastermind. You could see the similarities in design and attacks.
Thanks for watching them.
Looking back, I agree that I should have included that in the video. When I wrote it, I wanted to keep the video on Olivia and not bring up Argent D'Nur, the Hell Priests and why they wanted to take down Earth. It is something I have gone into in depth in a future video.
There's a line out there - the path to hell is paved with the best intentions... in this case, literally. She ended up too obsessed over something, and in the end, became a Benedict Arnold. The Demons of Hell made a statue of her, after all.
Also, I remember my first time in that boss fight - I wasn't... very accurate with my guns yet (Still new to FPSs), and ended up using up all the ammo for all my guns, meaning that for the majority of that fight, I had to kill the spider with a pistol.
it's sort of impresive in a way, to kill that with a pistol i mean
I find it very hard to believe that Samur Mykr has absolutely no clue what she was up to considering just how massive the Cultist operation was not just on Mars, but Earth as well. The resources required to create such massive complex bases would of had to come to the attention of Samur. It also seems like Samur did very little to actually stop Olivia. He could have killed her the minute he suspected something was wrong with her, but he didn't. Why? Was this part of the plan?
I agree to be honest. He could have done so much more. I'm still unsure on why he chose not to act.
The dark lord probably manipulated Samur Maykr by implanting thoughts in him. This was why Samur Maykr thought of reversing orientation of the Divinity Machine to grant the doom slayer the Dark Lord's power.
So even though the Father told Samur Maykr to head to Earth, he may have been also under the influence of the Dark Lord to allow certain humans to conduct research of demonic artifacts.
Kinda sounds like the game makers retconned the original story they had, and decided to make Hayden, into a Makyr.
@@FBI-ju5no exactly - thats why i actully hate new doom eternal lore. doom 2016 was pretty logical
Yeah, to be honest, Hayden definitely did not see the bigger picture after all, he's been to that realm he should know the influence that certain objects from Hell would have on the minds of people he really should have kept what he found there locked up and observed from a safe distance there probably wasn't even a need for UP close and personal research not to mention when it comes to certain type of people that can be easily influenced it's people like Olivia workaholics who work over around-the-clock who already probably don't have the best mental state to begin with not to mention her chronic pains as well without a much healthy body, the mind would quickly deteriorate leaving you much more open to susceptible influence.
Interestingly i was wondering where a video about Olivia was, also she to me at least felt a bit similar to the Khan makyr
She is very similar to the Khan Maykr and Betruger.
13:59 I still have no idea what she wanted that bicycle pump for.
Agent Accumulators open portals to Hell.
You really seem to break down the game lore quite well. Man I wanna play Doom again.
It's so weird how I was thinking "I wonder if there's a lore video on Olivia Pierce?" when I was at work.
Perfect timing.
Right as I get home from work First vid I see from Skyrionn. niiice
Hope you enjoyed it!
I think Olivia Pierce, when compared to Dr.Malcom from Doom 3, was kinda sloppy went it came to hiding her ultimate scheme. Her religious background kinda gave away to Samual that she wasn’t handling the UAC science team resources right, hence why the android went to find Doomguy.
With that said I think her codex entries are interesting evil considering the perspective of a recruited scientist or staff member. She tells people that the science they do is their new faith (mixing religion with science, red flag already) telling them that the Titans realm is a honorable place to sacrifice yourself to uncaring titans, and also the fact that Revenants and Cyber Mancubi production was supervised by her (opposing to the UAC’s goal of simple energy extraction). It would also be worth mentioning that final farewell letter/codex we get on the level were we fight the Spider Mastermind, which I won’t read because it’s pretty long, but suffice to say that calling it a middle finger to humanity is a bit of an understatement.
Such a tragic end for her. She wants to be part of a vital scientific project for Earth, but she ends up being a manipulated, twisted creature faced with a horrific result. Doom's story has always been exciting, just as the fast-paced, bloody gameplay.
With several starts, but just one end - face Doom slayer
The ultimate destroyer.
Pizza and Soda diet aka the Gamers Diet.
moral of the Story: never make deals with Demons.
Absolutely. So many villains fell to The Doom Slayer after they made pacts.
she is also a great example that you should always accept medical help if you need it
pain can screw you up just as much as a drug addiction can
true
Love your doom content ! its so exciting everytiem you publish a new one !
I have actually wondered if Malcom Betruger might be the Wretch spoken of in The Slayer Testament. It was established in 2016/Eternal that a Doom Multiverse with many different versions of Earth exists but they all share the same Hell. So is it possible that sometime after being trapped in Hell following the events of Doom 3, Betruger encountered the Doom Slayer and forged a suit of armor for him using both his expertise from his former life as a scientist and the knowledge he had gained about the power of Hell? As for why he would help the Slayer, it's possible the Betruger we encounter in Doom 3 wasn't Betruger at all but something that had possessed his body given how according to his colleagues, he basically became a different person after traveling to Hell. So maybe the real Betruger had been trapped in Hell ever since waiting for a chance to get revenge.
He dies in ROE a expansion pack for Doom 3
@@ChadwickThompson-i8s His body is destroyed. We don't know where his soul is.
I doubt it but it is an interesting thought. I like the idea that all of the Earth's share the same Hell.
@@ChadwickThompson-i8sthat is soooooo true all that is left of him is his skull
3:55 didn't they already have a settlement on Mars and Phobos (we don't talk about Deimos)
I love these Doom lore vids
Thanks for watching them :D
@@Skyrionn no problem :D
Samuel hayden is not a mysterious person. He was the Samur maykr following the instructions of The Father.
This video deserves more views.
Trust me, some deals aren't worth the price you pay.
While her fate was ironic, it was also completely to be expected. Why do so many treacherous villains expect never to themselves become the victims of treachery?
It was pretty fitting. I believe she deserved her fate. She sacrificed the lives of the whole facility for personal greed.
The way to hell is pawed with good intentions.
Doom's 2016 environmental story telling is top tear. It's a shame they didn't prioritize it more.
Wonder who will be used to resurrect the Mother Demon
Khan Maykr I think
@@DONG-502blud she is dead💀💀💀
@@whiterabbit3050 thats the point some demonic shit will revive her
Love your content. Keep it up :)
Great video but dont let this distract you from the fact that Mr. Krabs sold SpongeBobs soul for 62 cents.
I can't believe I forgot to put that in there. We must always remember.
The demons do a little trolling as they say
Is me or Doom 2016 and Enternal have elements of Doom 3
The UAC Aesthetic is definitely from Doom 3
@@GallowayJesse prime example being the plasma rifle, it's almost the exact same overall design with a white paint job.
Olivia was not herself the moment she got 'possessed' by the demons. Before she created the cult, whatever was controlling or influencing her was not Olivia herself; it was some demon pulling the puppet's strings. She was the puppet, or something along those lines. She was the victim until she became a demon-like and created that cult and the rest. She is the victim of demonic possession, and the rest are not her doings. I blame Samuel Hayden for not keeping an eye on her.
i bet this wont fit in the story, im just rambling, after all she is dead, so thats that
love your videos, cheers!
Olivia hose to accept a deal with demons & she knew exactly what she was doing including tricking all the people under her.
I guess this Demon that possed her was Spider Mastermind
@@DONG-502 cool
What do you say about the road to hell?
“The road to Hell is paved by good intentions.”
Glad to see you doing the content you clearly want to do and not just doing videos for the sake of the algorithm. I never even knew Doom had such deep lore until stumbling on your channel
I appreciate that.
Doom is something that either hits well or misses massively. I'm just hoping a timeline I have in the works does okay.
I hope it does too. In any case talk about a loyal fan base we love your stuff
I hope it does too. In any case talk about a loyal fan base we love your stuff
At what point of the game is that statue of Olivia?! @17:13 ?!
I certainly don't remember that!
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Doom 2016 was best doom. You cant change my mind.
To anyone who wants to respond to this guy, ignore him he is just seeking attention
@DONG-624 I dont understand your comment. I enjoyed the doom 2016 reboot the most. I enjoyed the cinematic feel (great executions and no super flashy distracting pickups). I enjoyed the mystery and story more than doom eternal's. Doom eternal turned into a sort of "every room is a multiwave arena" feel, and if I was not high on caffeen and well rested, there was no way I could clear a checkpoint in eternal. I enjoyed the multiplayer and community created maps. I hate the Praetor suit being sleeveless.... in space.... or burning hell. Doom 1 and 2 were great, doom 3 was a mixed bag, doom eternal turned into a super repeatative room clearing game especially in the dlcs that I had to just stop playing, but doom 2016 hit the mark for me.
Wonder who scored the highest on that game.
So can she come back ? I mean they built a statue of her in hell.
Pierce created the doot lords?
I was hoping white crow would finish his doom movie But I think he dipped out.
P.S. if you know you know.
Dude. We aren't talking about some vulnerable naive little girl tricked by the devil here.
Olivia is supposedly one of the smartest humans alive with the very best education, she has access to near unlimited resources, material or otherwise. She's an elite living at the very tippy top of the 1%.
There's no possibility in hell she doesn't know what it means to deal with the devil. No, she deserves only condemnation.
5 min gang
Welcome welcome.
So the spider mastermind is just another enemy ?
An ancient powerful enemy.
I thought the mastermind was the voice speaking to Olivia thru the game. It possessed her and used her body to become the Spider Mastermind
I can't stand Olivia Pierce she got on my damn nerves in that game
I don’t know why tf people believe demons when they promise some vague shit like eternal life or power. They’re mf demons, what did you think was going to happen????
I think there's a big part of the story that a lot of people miss, because DOOM was going for a show don't tell kind of story (sometimes).
Both Sam Hayden and Olivia Pierce were the two people that spent the most time interacting with hell and artifacts from hell. Is it a coincidence they both got terminal illnesses? What I think happened was the demons gave Hayden brain cancer first and offered him a cure and power in exchange for his help. Because Hayden is such a badass he told them to pound sand, and built his own robot body instead. So then they tried the same tactic with Olivia, but this time it worked. That's why Hayden isn't at all surprised that Olivia betrayed humanity, he's simply "disappointed she wasn't stronger". He knew they would make that kind of offer because they made it with him. At the very least it's a fun theory.
(I'm ignoring later stuff from Doom: Eternal because I think the Eternal lore is a convoluted step backwards, and more importantly because I don't think they had thought of any of it when writing DOOM 2016)
Hardens brain cancer is either faked or had something to do with his Makyr biology not quite gelling well with his human body. The faking part might be the fact he need to put certain parts of his brain in a robot so he could enter hell to find the slayer
To anyone who wants to respond to this guy, ignore him he is just seeking attention
@@DONG-502may be not. Doom eternal story was a bit convoluted indeed.
hello Skyrrion Olivia Pierce is such a tragic Villain undone by her Intelligence and good intentions..But when One dine with the Devil one needs a long spoon
absolutely
Cool story, is this spoken in a certain US accent? Sounds slightly British
when will people learn: don't go dicking about with strange objects! and if you find one, LEAVE IT THERE! it was hidden for a reason.
15:15
All they did was making her attractive😂
shoutout olivia pierce gotta be one of the dumbest characters of all time
Women ☕️ 😂
Men
Doom 2016 plot feels like science fiction with a taste of a fantasy. Doom Eternal feels like a fantasy game with sci-fi background, very disappointing.
To anyone who wants to respond to this guy, ignore him he is just seeking attention
@@DONG-502 Thanks for attention
@ghos7bear You have the right to your wrong opinion. These elements have always been a part of Doom.
You're missing out. 😊
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I kinda wish they kept doom guy blazkowicz a silent protagonist
I think Hayden was focused on the development of Argent Energy project, which is why he probably gave Olivia a free-hand.
However, Samur Makyr did notice Olivia's cult activities which is why he brought back the Doom Slayer. The Slayer was his contingency plan in the event things go wrong.
Olivia looks likes Caroline from wolfenstein
10:59 didn't they already have flamethrowers and aren't there other demons called Revenants that look similar to those
Sympathy for the villain? Nah I'll pass.
Good point
Same here she's just evil . @@Skyrionn
Lore videos of the same caliber as VaatiVidya; another excellent video Skyrionn!
Thank you for your efforts and time.
Doom 4 is a revival of classic Doom’s style and Doom 3’s story
I finished doom several months back that boss was hard af bruh but it was a great fight.
Yes it was. Got to love the Spider Mastermind.
Hi, I absolutely love your videos, I think they may be the best doom lore videos on RUclips. I was wondering could you do a lore video about Argent Energy, or maybe about Hell itself like its history and hierarchy, perhaps even one on humanity’s history. Can’t wait to see your next vid.
Fun fact: "betruger" is German for "traitor"
yes
Excellent analysis. I subbed. Thanks for making videos like this so I can watch at 2a.m. on a Friday night lol
I was just thinking about this channel and then this video popped up, perfect =)
Perfect timing. Thanks for checking in.
One caviat - There does not need to be good intentions for demons to corrupt. Lots of humans have bad intentions to start with, they only need to be escalated over extremes.
I feel like she is Doomguy’s arch enemy. She is the basically the anti version of him and became the Spider Mastermind (which is The main antagonist of Doom 93)
I thought it was the Icon of Sin or Davoth. Both were adversaries the Slayer had a personal bone to pick with. Whereas Olivia was just another demon callaberator the Slayer had to deal with, much like the Hell Priests (who had more with history with the protagonist, being the reason he was inducted into the Night Sentinels in the first place).
The fact the olivia is a gamer (or depressed) is hilarious
Doom has such cool lore however the games honestly do a bad job telling the story. They put so much story in the codex and stuff but when we buy a game we want to experience the story not just read it. I hope in newer games they step up the storytelling because it comes off as lazy writting
Thanks again
Thanks for watching!
There’s no support for this, but i like to thing Olivia pierce is related to Aiden pierce from watchdogs.
4:08 w reference
Cringe
I really wishes they made the doom guy ripped & tear the dr
Please do some system shock lore!!!
It has been said a lot of Olivias cannot survive a BFG in the mouth.
Why did triage at dawn play lol
It's my favourite soundtrack and it just works for closing thoughts
Had to graft the thing to her, not like slip into a powered armor of some kind. Don't play with hell essence folks!
100%
Cringe. Puts adverts with "skip this advert button" but they keep playing when presssd 🤮
Sounds like an issue with your browser tbh
That dude said 2095 well I won't be around to see it I'll be dead LOL
I think we're all lucky
This looks nothing like Doom. You couldn't play this on an IBM PC.
I guess technology moved on. The classic graphics are still peak.
Skyrion, sorry for the out of the blue question, but do you know if there is no version of "Fable" available to PS3, 4 or 5 ?
I accept answers from other people too.
Nope.. Microsoft exclusive.
Dr. Malcolm Betruger from Doom 3 was supposed to turn into a spider mastermind like Dr. Olivia Pierce and be the end boss instead of the cyber demon, however that idea was scratched.
4:03. Do I still win if I’ve already been subscribed?!?!? 🥹
yes. first place