The team did add John Romero to be funny. However, John wasnt aware and he found the easter egg by accident while test playing the last level. After that, John himself added the voice recording and reversed the audio, and added the audio into the final version of the game .He did not tell the rest of the team until they played the final version and he told them about it when they were confused on what the audio meant.
I have always been intrigued by the Icon being bolted down in DOOM II. You can clearly see the bolts going through the horns. As if it were captured and forced to create demons by having had surgically opened it's brain.
I feel like that is a consequence of the aesthetic the 90's with movies like hellraiser and nightmare on elm street giving a, frankly, iconic image of what hell what look like; full of sadomasochistic imagery and torture.
This whole channel feels as thought it was made specially for me to explain games I've played countless times but could never get the grasp of the storyline. This makes me very happy!!
First time I fought the Icon of Sin in Doom Eternal was something else altogether. Dunno why, but whenever Hayden went on about the stronger he got the longer he was on Earth, I imagined the Icon bench pressing and breaking heavy weight records. That aside, awesome video buck, the Icon is one of my favourite video game characters.
Every Doom game: - The UAC does experiments - Demonic invasion - Doomguy appears -He kills the Spider Mastermind or The Icon Of Sin - Earth is back to normal - UAC keeps experimenting...
This game is so much deeper than anyone gave it credit for back in the day. And the reboot is freaking beautiful; the lore, the designs, the creature work... just damn!
Let's be honest, people gave it mad credit. It was just as much a phenomenon as GTA 3. The entire campus UWM in Wisconsin had to reset the internet like 4 times because the entire school dorm was downloading it. More people had it on their pc than windowsOS at the time.
With all the lore and expanded story in the doom universe, now we just need a passionate film maker and studio to make a REAL Doom movie and even series
I think if they do do a lore true doom film it would need to be set at a time a game doesn't cover, which doesn't leave much room to play with, we all seen Halo and how badly it goes when you rewrite existing history, DOOM is one of those where it only truly shines as a game, films cut too much out, and make stuff up just because it looks good on camera so now the lore has to change to keep that one scene, no thanks, keep it in the games, DOOM is too good to ruin on the big screen again
@VokunVulonPrivate only reason games turned movies go bad is because of creative license. Too many times directors want to "ground it to reality" or make a piece of the story "make more sense". The story behind Doom would indeed make an awesome movie series if done properly
I like to think that theyre all canon. Multiple parallel earths and timelines. However, there is only ONE Hell. All these alternate realities linked together by one Hell.
Despite it only being part of the scenery, I loved the appearance of the Icon's head in Doom 2016. The level of detail it had, it’s position, towering above the map; and the eeriness of the surroundings did make me feel like i was standing before the mightiest of demons, despite it being dormant
@@christiangottsacker6932and remember, the Khan Maykr had to RESSURECT the Icon. The Betrayer’s son’s heart was its new soul, but the beast itself was still dormant.
I’d like to point out that in the first game Doomguy doesn’t “arrive” at the base. He was sent there by the military for refusing to fire upon civilians and spent his first day on base getting drunk and he passed out in a closet. When he woke up the next day, hungover, he was shocked and mortified to discover the invasion and felt incredibly guilty that he was not awake and aware enough to have tried to help.
This video was dedicated to the Icon of Sin, so I skimmed parts of Doomguy's story. If I had mentioned every detail, it would have been a huge video haha. If you are interested, I did dedicate a video to the Doomguy a few months ago.
Lol i jist commented on that in less thwn 3 minites he got the main protagonost origin wrong. Everything thing beyond thay is just fluff woth sprikles for views, next lore video please this is as uncredible as it gets
What rubbish are you talking? Here's the story directly from the manual: If thats too long to read, I'll give you a heads up - he doesn't get drunk, sleep in and miss the action; he's been on Mars for *four years* before being sent to Phobos *with his squadmates*. He's the last one left because he was assigned to secure the perimeter. "You're a space marine, one of Earth's toughest, hardened in combat and trained for action. Three years ago you assaulted a superior officer for ordering his soldiers to fire upon civilians. He and his body cast were shipped to Pearl Harbor, while you were transferred to Mars, home of the Union Aerospace Corporation. The UAC is a multi-planetary conglomerate with radioactive waste facilities on Mars and its two moons, Phobos and Deimos. With no action for fifty million miles, your day consisted of suckin' dust and watchin' restricted flicks in the rec room. For the last four years the military, UAC's biggest supplier, has used the remote facilities on Phobos and Deimos to conduct various secret projects, including research on inter-dimensional space travel. So far they have been able to open gateways between Phobos and Deimos, throwing a few gadgets into one and watching them come out the other. Recently however, the gateways have grown dangerously unstable. Military "volunteers" entering them have either disappeared or been stricken with a strange form of insanity--babbling vulgarities, bludgeoning anything that breathes, and finally suffering an untimely death of full-body explosion. Matching heads with torsos to send home to the folks became a full-time job. Latest military reports state that the research is suffering a small setback, but everything is under control. A few hours ago, Mars received a garbled message from Phobos. "We require immediate military support. Something fraggin' evil is coming out of the gateways! Computer systems have gone berserk!" The rest was incoherent. Soon afterwards, Deimos simply vanished from the sky. Since then, attempts to establish contact with either moon have been unsuccessful. You and your buddies, the only combat troop for fifty million miles were sent up pronto to Phobos. You were ordered to secure the perimeter of the base while the rest of the team went inside. For several hours, your radio picked up the sounds of combat: guns firing, men yelling orders, screams, bones cracking, then finally silence. Seems your buddies are dead. Things aren't looking too good. You'll never navigate off the planet on your own. Plus, all the heavy weapons have been taken by the assault team leaving you only with a pistol. If only you could get your hands around a plasma rifle or even a shotgun you could take a few down on your way out. Whatever killed your buddies deserves a couple of pellets in the forehead. Securing your helmet, you exit the landing pod. Hopefully you can find more substantial firepower somewhere within the station. As you walk through the main entrance of the base, you hear animal-like growls echoing throughout the distant corridors. They know you're here. There's no turning back now." If you're going to correct someone, maybe try actually being, you know, *correct*.
He said the Doomguy just arrived on Phobos. Which is true. You’re referring to the beginning of the game when he’s on Mars. He’s taking about the end of the game on Phobos
id software made the game. Bethesda just published it. Which is good because if Bethesda HAD made it it would have just been Fallout with a Doom skin over it. Just like Starfield
@alexmoore5505 That sounds cool until they do some dumb money grabbing shit Bethesda does like charge you 7 bucks for a single mission even though they're releasing 30 dollar dlc already 😅
The Doomslayer actually entered hell and never left it after the incident of Phobos, Deimos and Earth, he stayed there for millenia to shit on the demons' lives until a random portal appeared and took him to Argenta D'Nur
I remember being curious about the weird sound played when you got to the Icon of Sin in Doom 2 as a kid. I dug around in the install files and found a .wav that was what was played when you entered the room. Having heard so many tall tales about Led Zepplin records playing backwards satantic messages, I figured this was similar and opened the file in windows audio player, then reversed it. I don't remember the exact wording, but the jist of it was "To win the game, you must defeat me, John Romero"
Great video! I was very scared of the Icon of Sin as a kid. It's probably still one of the most chilling things I've seen in any media to this day, it really did a number on me. And what a perfect soundtrack those early games had. Very cool!
Really happy I came across this channel. I really like your style, Videos like these can help me with my panic attacks, thank you for covering interesting topics and having a calming voice/presentation!
Would love to see you talk about Darksiders! Played those games as a kid but never understood the story or timeline all that well. Been wanting to revisit them for a while. It would be awesome to see you break down different story elements/characters within!
Great video there’s surprisingly not as many ppl you would think who are this well versed in Doom’s lore nuances like the Call of Ages, or how the victims of the demons are reincarnated in Hell as the damned, but you’ve got it all down. I’d love to see more Doom content in the future
thanks a lot for this video! Im fairly new to the doom franchise and after playing every game the whole lore seemes kinda scattered and really hard to figure out so this video is very helpfull ^^
I grew up playing doom ever since I was a baby I remember seeing doom 2 for the first time it had been out for years but my dad had hid it from me untill we finished doom 1 and it’s always meant so much for me and listening to the lore is always awesome.
Great video, love the use of the OST background music. Exceptionally fitting. Your voice works great for this type of content, and your research and depth of media references rocks.
I love your channel so much :)). It gives me joy to geek about lore sometimes and sometimes I find it difficult to connect various scattered lore bits. Thank you!
Icon of Sin is so memoriable. i remember my first playthrough of doom 2016 and seein icon of sin sleepin in the wall and getting easter egg from shootin his head. that was so cool, especially bc i never play og doom cuz i was kiddo. but i know lore so all of these so important to me. same with getting bfg first time
My ex and myself beat Doom2 together. Though we were unaware of the brain weak point solution, so we massacred at least a thousand demons trying to figure it out for over an hour. The kill count went beyond 100% and counted up for literally ten minutes. I counted. Holy hell. What a relief when we finally defeated him.
I think there is a different read to Icon of Sins original designn in Doom 2: It is a giant head, constructed into a wall. Someone or something has opened its brain up. It teleports demons into the real world, and around the level. Furthermore: Dooms plot is about scientists during discovering teleportation, moving through hell and meeting demons. So what if the Icon of Sin plays into that? What if it was the scientiests that discovered hell, that also discovered this head of a demon, and in an attempt to reanimate it, they carved into its skull, they attached it on this wall in some sort of life support, and once awakened, discovered that it can teleport demons around. If you read the 2016 Doom enemy notes, theres a lot of lore on scientists experimenting with demons. So while not the most official lore, using something in a game that came out over 20 years after the original, maybe the scientists have something to do with why the Icon of Sin is a big head with its brain exposed slapped on a wall with what appear to be life support mechanisms. (I know it is what it is due to technical limitations, but you know, for lore you can read a bit more into it.)
I completely agree! Always felt like the movie had a Doom64 look to it also. I know there is some differences, but I always looked up to the Doom marine and Captain Miller in the same way.
@@dravendarkplays9607 atleast warhammers excuse it's basically the only way mankind was able to learn to travel faster then light, the emperor was working on a bit of a webway hijacking but SOME IDIOTS decided to fuck everything up and became pawns of terrible terrible things
John Romero just got so ruthlessly undersold here, from one of the founder's of id software (known for games like Wolfenstein, quake, hexen, doom) and straight up daddy of the FPS genre and a deathmatch smack talking legend who actually coined the word deathmatch to coder.....
I remember the first time I played against the icon of sin in the original doom. A goat's skull with a hole in its head. I didn't think it was scary. But it was a long fight (because I didn't know at first) that you had to shoot rockets into its head.
I really enjoy your doom content. Hopefully there is more to cover. Perhaps you could do mortal kombat lore content. With the new game dropping soon, it might be a good time to cover it. Anyways, thank you again for the content!
These style of videos are really cool i think halo would be amazing for you to cover ! Halo has some really deep lore that most people dont even know about.
I always considered doom 3 canon betruger and Olivia data log the soul cube the timeline being a few years before 2016 and covered up the tomb of the hero which is the coffin that was later used as inspiration for 2016 the ancient mars civilization that you visit briefly in the mars level of eternal. Thats just me tho. Even before doom eternal there were people saying 2016 wasn't connected to the classics until eternal came out and proved that they were.
I tend to head-canon it as a Doom 1993 prequel; after surviving Hell and the Maledict, the marine is traumatized and comes back to Mars for recovery, only to learn the teleportation experiments are still going. Through Doom 1 and 2 to 64 his mind is warped to lose all of his humanity, before he is sent back in time and space to the Night Sentinel.
The argent a named a city after a transformer? Nice. Although I would have gone with Optimus Prime personally, Sentinel Prime was still a cool character
Doom 2 is truly nostalgic for me. I grew up in the early 90's and played Doom 2 since I could comprehend how to play it. I also knew all the cheat codes, so killing John Romero's head by clipping into the wall was achieved often. I never understood it as a child. Like, "This big demon head has a small human head that's the real boss. And he's got a funny looking haircut." What I wouldn't give for modern games to have that same level of mystique and feeling as I get when thinking about playing Doom 2. It's probably nothing wrong with new games, that's just the serotonin boost of a young child diving into a 20ft deep pool of blood, violence, and demonic bodily annihilation. The moral of the Doom story. Large corporations would definitely sell our population to demons for a bit of unlimited energy and teleportation technology. If demon's invade IRL, better believe Amazon would start delivering demon hordes to your doorstep. Now comes the reign of Big Daddy Demon Bezos.
We don't talk about DooM 2 RPG. It exists, but hopefully we'll forget that it was ever made. It had some cool story and lore but the gameplay is turnbased. If you think DooM 3 is a change of pace, just play the afformentioned mobile port.
There was that unused line from the khan maykr about the slayer’s earth being in the 7th dimension. Even though it went unused, it implies that the new earth is different
4:13 I actually find this version of Icon of Sin more horrifying than the rest. It might be immobile, but it looks more disgusting and is surrounded by endless flow of blood and toxins; it feels as if merely standing in its proximity is enough to cause very-nasty infection.
But I don't understand. Doom Marine closes the well in Doom 2016 but the Khan Maykr still gets argent energy through Argenta and he closes that too ain't it? Or did I miss something. So she was still getting argent energy anyway, even without Agrent D'Nur?
holy shit doom 2 rpg, I thought I was the only one who ever heard of (or played) it. I need to get a java phone emulator up and running so I can go back and replay that shit
I feel like a horrible subsriber. It's been a whole day since this came out and I'm only jus watching it. Also, Skyrion, a game that I reccomend you look at, with rich and beautiful lore: Generation Zero. Though, the game is still in development, and can be quite buggy at the moment, and the lore is subject to change and that, I imagine, could be quite fustating. Though, I reccomend at the very least looking into it. Keep up the great work!
Easter eggs cannot be cannon due to the virtue of being an easter egg. As their references are not only 4th wall breaks, but also undermine and conflict with the game it self. It is also for that very reason they are included, and also why they are refered as easter eggs in the first place, as they are not meant to be seen by most players.
Hey man love your videos could your next video be Castlevania lords of shadow saga timeline if you don’t know what these games are gave them a try there are 3 games and 3 dlc’s You could make a video about each character or The castle
Did you kill John Romero?
Also please like and share. It'd help so much.
Hmm... The Icon of Sin is Orcus. Neat!
damn sure did! with my fists!
The team did add John Romero to be funny. However, John wasnt aware and he found the easter egg by accident while test playing the last level. After that, John himself added the voice recording and reversed the audio, and added the audio into the final version of the game .He did not tell the rest of the team until they played the final version and he told them about it when they were confused on what the audio meant.
I've never beaten Doom 2.
As an 8 year old, I had too use "idclip" too beat Icon of Sin, so I always thought John Romero was the defacto "boss".
I have always been intrigued by the Icon being bolted down in DOOM II. You can clearly see the bolts going through the horns. As if it were captured and forced to create demons by having had surgically opened it's brain.
Looks like all titans are in someway are slaved criatures, forced to work by the dark lord
I feel like that is a consequence of the aesthetic the 90's with movies like hellraiser and nightmare on elm street giving a, frankly, iconic image of what hell what look like; full of sadomasochistic imagery and torture.
@Terrik240shablamo bro they're 80s movies lmao.
@@Terrik240Or a limitation of the engine...
This whole channel feels as thought it was made specially for me to explain games I've played countless times but could never get the grasp of the storyline. This makes me very happy!!
You just have a perfect taste in games!
First time I fought the Icon of Sin in Doom Eternal was something else altogether. Dunno why, but whenever Hayden went on about the stronger he got the longer he was on Earth, I imagined the Icon bench pressing and breaking heavy weight records. That aside, awesome video buck, the Icon is one of my favourite video game characters.
Lol, Icon of Sin transitions and starts smashing records
Icon of gym
im stoned and that was funny as fuck
In Hell, every day is leg day.
@@StackND absolutely demonic gains 😈
i am extremely impressed at how you somehow managed to make classic doom footage look cinematic, excellent work
Every Doom game:
- The UAC does experiments
- Demonic invasion
- Doomguy appears
-He kills the Spider Mastermind or The Icon Of Sin
- Earth is back to normal
- UAC keeps experimenting...
I used to be so scared of the Icon of Sin when I was kid until I realized it was just a glorified demon spawner. The Eternal version is imposing!
It basically is yeah
it's also literally just a wall with an empty spot
Original version had that creepy backwards audio too.
😉
How the hell did your parents let you play doom???
This game is so much deeper than anyone gave it credit for back in the day. And the reboot is freaking beautiful; the lore, the designs, the creature work... just damn!
Let's be honest, people gave it mad credit. It was just as much a phenomenon as GTA 3. The entire campus UWM in Wisconsin had to reset the internet like 4 times because the entire school dorm was downloading it.
More people had it on their pc than windowsOS at the time.
@@christiangottsacker6932 Credit as a game; undoubtedly. Credit as far as there being more to the story is what I meant.
"The Longer The Icon of Sin Is on Earth, The Stronger It Will Become"
You can’t just shoot a hole in the Icon of Sin!
kill it
It is a weapon, not a teleporter.
@@SkyrionnTips: "Shoot it until it dies"
With all the lore and expanded story in the doom universe, now we just need a passionate film maker and studio to make a REAL Doom movie and even series
What? Doom 2009 wasn't good enough /s 😂
I think if they do do a lore true doom film it would need to be set at a time a game doesn't cover, which doesn't leave much room to play with, we all seen Halo and how badly it goes when you rewrite existing history, DOOM is one of those where it only truly shines as a game, films cut too much out, and make stuff up just because it looks good on camera so now the lore has to change to keep that one scene, no thanks, keep it in the games, DOOM is too good to ruin on the big screen again
@VokunVulonPrivate only reason games turned movies go bad is because of creative license. Too many times directors want to "ground it to reality" or make a piece of the story "make more sense". The story behind Doom would indeed make an awesome movie series if done properly
I like to think that theyre all canon. Multiple parallel earths and timelines. However, there is only ONE Hell. All these alternate realities linked together by one Hell.
Despite it only being part of the scenery, I loved the appearance of the Icon's head in Doom 2016. The level of detail it had, it’s position, towering above the map; and the eeriness of the surroundings did make me feel like i was standing before the mightiest of demons, despite it being dormant
That wasn’t the Icon, I believe that was the champion titan
@@Jackdman25it was, even has an eater egg.
@Jackdman25 yeah it's the icon. The issue to me was the area looks nothing like last we were there
My headcanon is that's the Icon from Doom II
@@christiangottsacker6932and remember, the Khan Maykr had to RESSURECT the Icon. The Betrayer’s son’s heart was its new soul, but the beast itself was still dormant.
I’d like to point out that in the first game Doomguy doesn’t “arrive” at the base. He was sent there by the military for refusing to fire upon civilians and spent his first day on base getting drunk and he passed out in a closet. When he woke up the next day, hungover, he was shocked and mortified to discover the invasion and felt incredibly guilty that he was not awake and aware enough to have tried to help.
This video was dedicated to the Icon of Sin, so I skimmed parts of Doomguy's story. If I had mentioned every detail, it would have been a huge video haha.
If you are interested, I did dedicate a video to the Doomguy a few months ago.
So the door at the start of e1m1 is a closet? lol, quite possibly lmao
Lol i jist commented on that in less thwn 3 minites he got the main protagonost origin wrong. Everything thing beyond thay is just fluff woth sprikles for views, next lore video please this is as uncredible as it gets
What rubbish are you talking? Here's the story directly from the manual: If thats too long to read, I'll give you a heads up - he doesn't get drunk, sleep in and miss the action; he's been on Mars for *four years* before being sent to Phobos *with his squadmates*. He's the last one left because he was assigned to secure the perimeter.
"You're a space marine, one of Earth's toughest, hardened in combat and trained for action. Three years ago you assaulted a superior officer for ordering his soldiers to fire upon civilians. He and his body cast were shipped to Pearl Harbor, while you were transferred to Mars, home of the Union Aerospace Corporation. The UAC is a multi-planetary conglomerate with radioactive waste facilities on Mars and its two moons, Phobos and Deimos. With no action for fifty million miles, your day consisted of suckin' dust and watchin' restricted flicks in the rec room.
For the last four years the military, UAC's biggest supplier, has used the remote facilities on Phobos and Deimos to conduct various secret projects, including research on inter-dimensional space travel. So far they have been able to open gateways between Phobos and Deimos, throwing a few gadgets into one and watching them come out the other. Recently however, the gateways have grown dangerously unstable. Military "volunteers" entering them have either disappeared or been stricken with a strange form of insanity--babbling vulgarities, bludgeoning anything that breathes, and finally suffering an untimely death of full-body explosion. Matching heads with torsos to send home to the folks became a full-time job. Latest military reports state that the research is suffering a small setback, but everything is under control.
A few hours ago, Mars received a garbled message from Phobos. "We require immediate military support. Something fraggin' evil is coming out of the gateways! Computer systems have gone berserk!" The rest was incoherent. Soon afterwards, Deimos simply vanished from the sky. Since then, attempts to establish contact with either moon have been unsuccessful.
You and your buddies, the only combat troop for fifty million miles were sent up pronto to Phobos. You were ordered to secure the perimeter of the base while the rest of the team went inside. For several hours, your radio picked up the sounds of combat: guns firing, men yelling orders, screams, bones cracking, then finally silence. Seems your buddies are dead.
Things aren't looking too good. You'll never navigate off the planet on your own. Plus, all the heavy weapons have been taken by the assault team leaving you only with a pistol. If only you could get your hands around a plasma rifle or even a shotgun you could take a few down on your way out. Whatever killed your buddies deserves a couple of pellets in the forehead. Securing your helmet, you exit the landing pod. Hopefully you can find more substantial firepower somewhere within the station.
As you walk through the main entrance of the base, you hear animal-like growls echoing throughout the distant corridors. They know you're here. There's no turning back now."
If you're going to correct someone, maybe try actually being, you know, *correct*.
He said the Doomguy just arrived on Phobos. Which is true. You’re referring to the beginning of the game when he’s on Mars. He’s taking about the end of the game on Phobos
You could say that the Icon of Sin is an "iconic" demon in the dooms series
haha
Truly an Icon
I don't get it.
@@ao1778 “Icon” and, “Iconic” mate.
@@Kamellia_of_Caturn In English, doc?
The longer the Icon of Sin is on Earth, the more I’ll keep saying this!
We need to kill it.
It’s getting stronger!
Still would die to a rocket launcher
18:10
She chose the wrong planet to invade... You said it, man. You said it all. OO RAH!
The Icon of sin is a very cool design. I really need to finish playing the first Doom. Thanks a lot John for another great video.
Damn this was seriously well put together and cinematically cohesive. You should be proud. Subscribed
So Bethesda basically remade a game about a guy killing demons, and put an extremely convoluted WH40K type universe around it
I ain’t mad at it
I am mad at it
id software made the game.
Bethesda just published it.
Which is good because if Bethesda HAD made it it would have just been Fallout with a Doom skin over it. Just like Starfield
@@SanguineDoeI wish there was a game like fallout with a doom skin over it.
@alexmoore5505
That sounds cool until they do some dumb money grabbing shit Bethesda does like charge you 7 bucks for a single mission even though they're releasing 30 dollar dlc already 😅
The Doomslayer actually entered hell and never left it after the incident of Phobos, Deimos and Earth, he stayed there for millenia to shit on the demons' lives until a random portal appeared and took him to Argenta D'Nur
I remember being curious about the weird sound played when you got to the Icon of Sin in Doom 2 as a kid. I dug around in the install files and found a .wav that was what was played when you entered the room. Having heard so many tall tales about Led Zepplin records playing backwards satantic messages, I figured this was similar and opened the file in windows audio player, then reversed it. I don't remember the exact wording, but the jist of it was "To win the game, you must defeat me, John Romero"
Then you no clip into icon of sin and John's head on a pike.
You found out yourself? Dude that's so cool!!!
Suuuure
Your content seriously is the very best youtube has to offer.
Great video! I was very scared of the Icon of Sin as a kid. It's probably still one of the most chilling things I've seen in any media to this day, it really did a number on me.
And what a perfect soundtrack those early games had.
Very cool!
Basically metal songs with some slight variations. I know for sure there's Alice in Chains, Pantera, Metallica and Slayer in there.
Really happy I came across this channel. I really like your style, Videos like these can help me with my panic attacks, thank you for covering interesting topics and having a calming voice/presentation!
Good luck buddy. It's gonna be ok
Is your name a reference to Ishtar?
Man i wish you had more views, this is culture and it doesn't get the apreciation it deserves
So wait, did the UAC open Mars portals twice? Or did the Slayer get picked up from UAC's *first* portal in another timeline?
Yes.
Whatever the stupid writing says
It was thrice actually
It's a multiverse and the Slayer is a singularity in it, just like Hell, whereas there are multiple Earths. 🌎
Bro this is so underrated they way you explained this is so cool
Would love to see you talk about Darksiders! Played those games as a kid but never understood the story or timeline all that well. Been wanting to revisit them for a while. It would be awesome to see you break down different story elements/characters within!
Great video there’s surprisingly not as many ppl you would think who are this well versed in Doom’s lore nuances like the Call of Ages, or how the victims of the demons are reincarnated in Hell as the damned, but you’ve got it all down. I’d love to see more Doom content in the future
Except doomguys lore. Got that blatantly wrong. Video looks great "facts" need to be taken with a tablespion of salt
@@dangerousrival5026This girl can't even spell tablespoon 🤦🏻♂️
@@adolfo777nica lmfao dyslexia is a curse I CANT READ xD
And typing can suck soemtimes too
Doom 2 was probably my first ever PC I ever played ( it was back in 1998) on my cousn's computer. The nostalgia is strong with this one 😢
thanks a lot for this video! Im fairly new to the doom franchise and after playing every game the whole lore seemes kinda scattered and really hard to figure out so this video is very helpfull ^^
Finally, I was getting worried you wouldn't upload
I hated not posted for a week. This one, and the one I'm currently working on are tough topics to get into the right order :) Thanks for waiting!
I grew up playing doom ever since I was a baby I remember seeing doom 2 for the first time it had been out for years but my dad had hid it from me untill we finished doom 1 and it’s always meant so much for me and listening to the lore is always awesome.
How many times can you say "Rip" and "Tear"?
Skyrionn: Say less
Great video, love the use of the OST background music. Exceptionally fitting. Your voice works great for this type of content, and your research and depth of media references rocks.
I will always love that Doom is basically based on the WH40K concept of space travel.
For whats canon i go by the devs,
Doom,
Doom 2,
Doom 64,
Doom 2016,
Doom external,
Doom external DLC part 1&2
I love your channel so much :)). It gives me joy to geek about lore sometimes and sometimes I find it difficult to connect various scattered lore bits. Thank you!
Icon of Sin is so memoriable. i remember my first playthrough of doom 2016 and seein icon of sin sleepin in the wall and getting easter egg from shootin his head. that was so cool, especially bc i never play og doom cuz i was kiddo. but i know lore so all of these so important to me. same with getting bfg first time
Doom Slayer: "how many time i have to teach you a leasson old man!"
Icon of Sin: "I love the young people!"
My ex and myself beat Doom2 together. Though we were unaware of the brain weak point solution, so we massacred at least a thousand demons trying to figure it out for over an hour.
The kill count went beyond 100% and counted up for literally ten minutes. I counted. Holy hell. What a relief when we finally defeated him.
I think there is a different read to Icon of Sins original designn in Doom 2:
It is a giant head, constructed into a wall.
Someone or something has opened its brain up.
It teleports demons into the real world, and around the level.
Furthermore:
Dooms plot is about scientists during discovering teleportation, moving through hell and meeting demons.
So what if the Icon of Sin plays into that?
What if it was the scientiests that discovered hell, that also discovered this head of a demon, and in an attempt to reanimate it, they carved into its skull, they attached it on this wall in some sort of life support, and once awakened, discovered that it can teleport demons around.
If you read the 2016 Doom enemy notes, theres a lot of lore on scientists experimenting with demons. So while not the most official lore, using something in a game that came out over 20 years after the original, maybe the scientists have something to do with why the Icon of Sin is a big head with its brain exposed slapped on a wall with what appear to be life support mechanisms. (I know it is what it is due to technical limitations, but you know, for lore you can read a bit more into it.)
Excellent work with the frame editing and directing of your doom videos, keep it up!
Love these videos. You got me back into playing Doom and Doom Eternal.
The story of Doom and the UAC teleportation experiments always reminds me of Event Horizon. I love that movie! "Liberate tutemet ex inferis" ☠
I completely agree! Always felt like the movie had a Doom64 look to it also. I know there is some differences, but I always looked up to the Doom marine and Captain Miller in the same way.
More Warhammer to me. "Oh let's use this alternate dimension to travel faster than light, oops it's all demons
@@dravendarkplays9607 atleast warhammers excuse it's basically the only way mankind was able to learn to travel faster then light, the emperor was working on a bit of a webway hijacking but SOME IDIOTS decided to fuck everything up and became pawns of terrible terrible things
John Romero just got so ruthlessly undersold here, from one of the founder's of id software (known for games like Wolfenstein, quake, hexen, doom) and straight up daddy of the FPS genre and a deathmatch smack talking legend who actually coined the word deathmatch to coder.....
demon: In awe at the splendor of this lad. Absolute icon.
Great video btw!
Dude fuck yes. Your Doom lore videos are fucking sick.
The Icon of Sin was a rediculous boss at the end of Doom: Eternal main campaign.
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never thought an offhand joke i made in that livestream chat would end up in a video
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It was a great joke. 100% used it haha
Literal Satan: nobody can defeat me!
One guy angry because they killed his rabbit: 🔫😡
awesome video!
You would think that after nearly destroying the Earth, someone would have thought, "You know what? We don't REALLY need the UAC."
Enjoyed the vid. Love some doom lore
I remember the first time I played against the icon of sin in the original doom. A goat's skull with a hole in its head. I didn't think it was scary. But it was a long fight (because I didn't know at first) that you had to shoot rockets into its head.
I really enjoy your doom content. Hopefully there is more to cover. Perhaps you could do mortal kombat lore content. With the new game dropping soon, it might be a good time to cover it. Anyways, thank you again for the content!
5:10 I remembered saying that these graphics looked so life like 😂😂 time and age are cruel mistresses
These style of videos are really cool i think halo would be amazing for you to cover ! Halo has some really deep lore that most people dont even know about.
You gotta love how there's 2 hazmat suits just casually next to the Icon of sin, haha.
Remember, the longer the Icon Of Sin remains on Earth, the stronger he will become!
But where exactly did it get the power to become stronger the longer it stays on earth, did demons built like a shrine or something?
I think it’s is just draining energy around it. If the doom slayer didn’t put in the crucible then it would have turned into a black hole
I always considered doom 3 canon betruger and Olivia data log the soul cube the timeline being a few years before 2016 and covered up the tomb of the hero which is the coffin that was later used as inspiration for 2016 the ancient mars civilization that you visit briefly in the mars level of eternal. Thats just me tho. Even before doom eternal there were people saying 2016 wasn't connected to the classics until eternal came out and proved that they were.
I tend to head-canon it as a Doom 1993 prequel; after surviving Hell and the Maledict, the marine is traumatized and comes back to Mars for recovery, only to learn the teleportation experiments are still going. Through Doom 1 and 2 to 64 his mind is warped to lose all of his humanity, before he is sent back in time and space to the Night Sentinel.
The argent a named a city after a transformer? Nice. Although I would have gone with Optimus Prime personally, Sentinel Prime was still a cool character
I like how you used Triage at Dawn in the end
Doom 2 is truly nostalgic for me. I grew up in the early 90's and played Doom 2 since I could comprehend how to play it. I also knew all the cheat codes, so killing John Romero's head by clipping into the wall was achieved often. I never understood it as a child. Like, "This big demon head has a small human head that's the real boss. And he's got a funny looking haircut." What I wouldn't give for modern games to have that same level of mystique and feeling as I get when thinking about playing Doom 2. It's probably nothing wrong with new games, that's just the serotonin boost of a young child diving into a 20ft deep pool of blood, violence, and demonic bodily annihilation. The moral of the Doom story. Large corporations would definitely sell our population to demons for a bit of unlimited energy and teleportation technology. If demon's invade IRL, better believe Amazon would start delivering demon hordes to your doorstep. Now comes the reign of Big Daddy Demon Bezos.
We don't talk about DooM 2 RPG. It exists, but hopefully we'll forget that it was ever made. It had some cool story and lore but the gameplay is turnbased. If you think DooM 3 is a change of pace, just play the afformentioned mobile port.
the doom franchise make me think of the theory that mars is a warning
love the content!!!
When Davoth was defeated, did the Icon and Sin and other Titans outside of hell disappear?
THE LONGER THE ICON OF SIN IS ON EARTH, THE STRONGER IT BECOMES
If the betrayer's son soul was used to give life to the Icon, why not John Romero?
Great video! I hope Doom will return in near future
Basically the whole universe, being destroyed by demons and angels. And then this one guy was like, nah me had enough I’ll fix this mess myself.
23:00 GYYATTTTTTT
Very interesting!
Is the UAC and Earth seen in Doom 2016/Eternal the same from the older games or are they different, parallel dimension versions?
Pretty sure they’re just a parallel version
We're still not sure. I think it's just another version tbh
There was that unused line from the khan maykr about the slayer’s earth being in the 7th dimension. Even though it went unused, it implies that the new earth is different
All Doom games link together specially Doom 69, After killing the mother Doom guy wander in hell till argent plane
4:13 I actually find this version of Icon of Sin more horrifying than the rest. It might be immobile, but it looks more disgusting and is surrounded by endless flow of blood and toxins; it feels as if merely standing in its proximity is enough to cause very-nasty infection.
“It used every ability it had” yeah except its strength to drop the building
But I don't understand. Doom Marine closes the well in Doom 2016 but the Khan Maykr still gets argent energy through Argenta and he closes that too ain't it? Or did I miss something. So she was still getting argent energy anyway, even without Agrent D'Nur?
That "hell" they discovered was it, jekkad ? 1:40
You mean! The Icon Said you gotta Kill John Romero?! Holy crap
Now i want a spinoff game playing a knight sentinel in game like WH40K Spacemarine.
Man, the UAC just couldn't give up those portals could they?
What a cool name dude
I like to think that none of the DOOM series would happen if the Slayer's rabbit was still alive.
They killed his wife and child aswell. Not JUST his rabbit
And this is what you get when you try to come up with a story for Doom: yadda yadda demons demons babble.
holy shit doom 2 rpg, I thought I was the only one who ever heard of (or played) it. I need to get a java phone emulator up and running so I can go back and replay that shit
I feel like a horrible subsriber. It's been a whole day since this came out and I'm only jus watching it.
Also, Skyrion, a game that I reccomend you look at, with rich and beautiful lore: Generation Zero. Though, the game is still in development, and can be quite buggy at the moment, and the lore is subject to change and that, I imagine, could be quite fustating. Though, I reccomend at the very least looking into it.
Keep up the great work!
We find the crucible near the icon of sins head in doom 2016, and use it on its head in eternal. Ironic
So the Icon of Sin in past was never a Valen son only in Eternal
What's the source of the middle image in the thumbnail?
Easter eggs cannot be cannon due to the virtue of being an easter egg. As their references are not only 4th wall breaks, but also undermine and conflict with the game it self. It is also for that very reason they are included, and also why they are refered as easter eggs in the first place, as they are not meant to be seen by most players.
I quit plying shooters. Doom eternal brought me back.
Can you do the lore on the strider if it has any
love the lore
Hey man love your videos could your next video be Castlevania lords of shadow saga timeline if you don’t know what these games are gave them a try there are 3 games and 3 dlc’s You could make a video about each character or The castle
OMG, even I am getting Dune and Doom confused these days.
If you use chest codes to travel through walls in doom 2 and go into the icon of sin there is a man's head on a wooden stick
Bro how many Fuckin times is the UAC gonna make the same Fuckin mistake? Like, you think the first time would be enough of a warning to stop?
UAC: Okay, time for experiment
Experiment: sends demons to Solar System
UAC after demons are defeated: I will fucking do it again