I never really understood why people liked the Energy Shield so much until you mentioned it protects you against everything around you. I always thought it only protected you from the front.
2 things to add about the energy shield. The dash damage can be applied way more quickly will using thr chrono strike rune. Before it's removal from battlemode, the energy shield was nerfed a couple of months into the game by replacing it from basically on demand invulnerability to a physical shield that would be in front of the slayer with said physical prop being the only to block stuff.
except bellow your feets. Mancubus/cyber manc ground pound, cyber manc toxic on the floor, dread knight electric floor, hazards that on floor, even when u in the air and projectiles throw at your feets. Aside from that it pretty much blocked anything, even fall damage when u fall off the map
Haven't played so I will simply blindly assume every ranking to be correct except for whatever is the most controversial one. (Please pretend this comment goes on for five paragraphs about said controversial weapon and why it's actually good/bad.)
Dude how could you be so stupid to think controversial weapon is actually good/bad. Did you even watch the video, or any of the points Fish made as to why it is actually bad/good. I mean, the design, ammunition, reload, fire, damage, all of it clearly serves to make the weapon bad/good.
base fire on the heavy cannon is great as a precise way to take off health so you don't risk overkilling enemies when you need a glory kill right here right now
Prewatch funnies: Found the Unmakyr video last night. Started watching the series this morning. What a perfect coincidence that this video launches right after i finish the series. Timing on point. Edit while watching: I find it funny that B Tier is full of exclusively mediocre explosive mods
I miss the mobile turret from 2016. It had all the issues that you mentioned, but you could use the rune that gave you infinite ammo above a certain armour threshold, and it was just so funny, shredding through everything with infinite ammo without a care in the world
I absolutely loved this series Fish, it was a great time. I do hope that maybe you can find a way to integrate this more somehow, it's always a treat to see these pop up. Edit: Good to know that much like TF2, giving a sniping weapon explosive headshot is the logical choice to make a class/weapon more powerful.
Am I the only person that likes the new heavy assault rifle? The slow rate of fire helps distinguish it from the plasma rifle and chaingun and the sound effect has a pleasant bassy quality to it imo.
The sound design is definitively better. The bassy "thug thug" makes it way more of a "heavy cannon" than in doom 2016 and is much more aligned with the report of a .50 cal machine gun. The 2016 sound design doesn't even really sound like a machine gun? It's kind of just clinky and cheap sounding tbh. No, you're not the only one.
Wasn’t heat blast already in 2016? (Although admittedly I never used it bc stun bomb was incredibly useful - which ig is why they give you ice grenade instead in eternal)
heatblast is THE best mod imo, because it is a hard falter unlike the super shotgun and rocket launcher which means the demons will fslter when you hit them, NO MATTER WHAT
I do think Microwave beam might be a little low, since it's best use case is just to tap a demon with it to use as an on-demand stun in the middle of combos, especially on bigger enemies like Barons.
Microwave beam would very likely be much more used if it didn't have the movement reduction. It still would be pretty weak and situational regardless, but not nearly as punishing to use.
@@DaisiesTC like i said, if you just feather the beam for a quick stun, the movement penalty doesn't really come into effect, especially if you use it while dashing. Other forms of stunning are usually limited resources or on a long cooldown, I.E. blood punch, grenades, and remote detonate.
Y'know, I haven't played the DLCs yet; I got distracted when I started and just booted up a new UV file. I just assumed the Hammer used the same ammo as the Crucible since it replaces it. That's fucking nuts that it doesn't.
the mobile turret, instead of increasing your attack speed, should have had you activate a shoulder mounted minigun that continues shooting at whoever u were aiming at when u activated it (& therefor also increases your damage output if u continue to chaingun that target). as a sort of "set it and forget it, make this guy go away while i do other stuff even if mobile turret is an inefficient way to do it" ability
Fish, I just wanted to say that I love the extra production value in your videos. Simple stuff like the tierlist being themed, and the games font used for onscreen text make your videos so much better than the usual ranking vids. . . . . . . Also could I get the link to that Rocket Waltz remix you used?
Microwave Beam does NOT belong that low in the ranking. It can stun demons with just a tap and without sacrificing mobility and can also create really powerful stun combos. You can also get into Fast Lock on Burst from the Beam. Microwave is absolutely OP against possessed demons. It's a FAAR better mod than full auto and mobile turret.
Great list. I’d only change full auto to be above heat blast, and sticky bombs above or below the meme beam. I’m actually working on a video for sticky bombs as of now. I personally think they’re the worst weapon (mod) in the game. Their practicality just falls off hard after SGN. As far as full auto goes, since I know how people think about it in the comments, it’s actually really good against SH demons. D-Blade+ice bomb+full auto will one-cycle any demon that isn’t a boss, tyrant, or marauder.
That is one thing i did like more about siege mode in 2016 compared to the destroyer blade was that it was more of a precision shot instead of a wide shot that will be gone if it touched a wall. I will say though, the siege mode was overpowered as sh*t and was super broken lol
I started the game fairly recently and I’m playing it super casually, but I love these in depth videos, are extremely useful if I ever decide to go hardcore on Doom Eternal
I will always stand by Microwave Beam. Stun potential, finishing wounded demons for explosions without using rockets and shield fuckage are way better than low C. Same thing with Mobile Turret, my beloved. I say mid-high C or low B. But I can see why people dislike them.
You have to use MB extremely precisely for it to pop off, but it's strong if you do. A rocket launcher blast in a room wide AoE for like ten cells? Yes please.
The problem with the meme beam is that ideally you want the enemy to be on a sliver of health so you aren't slowed for too long. Otherwise, it's likely going to detriment you by making you take unnecessary damage that you could've avoided if you didn't want to use the meme beam. If you can roughly gauge where the demons' health is after a combo, then the meme beam is a lot better than the bottom of C, but otherwise it's too risky.
@@lordpumpkinhead265 Tap shooting the beam in the middle of combos completely takes away all the cons you mentioned and gives you the stun benefits it has.
Honestly, I never stopped using sticky bombs because they're just so useful for doing just the right amount of damage to stagger pretty much any fodder (especially shielded enemies), and you can spam them. A bunch of levels throw a ton of shield guys at you and it's often faster to stagger a whole group of them than use the plasma rifle.
It's normal to use stickies. It's one of the few that has a significant deal crit effect when headshotting or hitting weakpoints which turn it into a rocket with bigger splash radius. This tier list is coming from a casual player perspective and in no way reflect how efficient an advance player play
Can't wait for you to come out with new Doom videos for the new Doom Game. Also, if you have the time, I would love to see your opinions on the Unmaykr from Doom 64.
I'm more of a classic Doom gamer than a modern era one but is a tier list like this really necessary? Oh well, I suppose at the very least its entertaining and good for the channel.
I disagree with the Plasma rifle, I never enjoy using it, it feels like im firing wet noodles, I'd personally switch its placement with the heavy cannon simply because I dislike firing it that much.
The microwave bean should have been rated way higher, at least low b tier. No one ever really uses it to kill demons, but it’s stun effect is very useful. You can stun a demon and quick switch to another weapon and then stun it again over and over. This is good against possessed demons, who move fast. It deals with energy shields really quick and for practically no ammo usage. I feel like for a weapon like the plasma rifle which doesn’t have much synergy with other weapons in the arsenal, the microwave beam is much more useful than the heat wave, if you would use the plasma rifle at all. The damage output from the ballista is much higher than the plasma rifle’s heat wave so I’d rather spend my ammo on that then waste half the clip charging the heat wave for only a quick burst of damage
1:26 - it depends on where do you hit, i don't know if spread is random but it is pretty controloble if you know where to show (i.e. bodyshot close range will stager zombie gunners and kill imps, hitting to the side staggers imps and, on second shot, staggers zombie gunman. imps have the same health as those fodder unarmed zombies)
At the start of my Ultra-nightmare runs I would have agreed with you on the placement of the plasma beam, but eventually I realized that it was more useful than I initially thought, mainly for locking down the most powerful enemy in the arena and removing them from the picture. I would've put it in B, maybe even A, but most likely B.
I've been a fan of the Destroyer Blade since the first time I used it. Actually became one of my most used mods in the game. Just run to the end of a semi-long hallway, make the enemies line up behind you and slice them all up with one shot. Incredibly satisfying to use, especially against the snakes, Revenants and Carcasses. Hell, if I remember right it's even good against Pinkies and Arachnotrons.
Honestly i think plasma rifle as a whole has no real use since quickswitching exists and is WAY more useful than just using one weapon for just a bit longer, the damage output is just unmathced. You could also say that thing for chainguin, but it has that op shield, that honestly on it's own could be classified as a super weapon with how much you can get away with this thing. That makes it strange (atleast in my book), that the micorwave beam is the only actually useful thing on plasma rifle, since you can atleast stun enemies by just clicking on them with this mod. Why would you use heat blast mod, when you won't be using plasma rifle to charge the blast to begin with, when you have all these ballista, heavy cannon, supershotgun, rocket launcher combos which deal so much more damage than the plasma rifle. Sure, if you could only use 1 weapon through level and that weapon would be plasma rifle, than it makes total sense to use heat blast mod, but with all of these other options it just doesn't.
With the microwave beam just briefly zap to stagger it and judge its health. It can stun anything so you can use it to combo superheavys by constantly stunning them between the ssg, ballista one two punch. Plus using it as an explosive finisher is nice.
did you play the mod kaisercampain? because it is entirely balanced around the hammer and it is charged with weak point breaks and blood punch kills. i think you need four of ether to charge it up
You forgot that beam can be used in a quick switch to stun lock enemies but aside from that everything is perfect here and i got to know new things even! Correction tho, ballista charge doesn't do more dmg
I feel another thing to add to the precision bolt is that it's better on pc than it is on console. Being able to swap at the press of a button and flick onto a demon's head is way easier on pc since for console you have to open up the weapon wheel, select the weapon, ads, move slowly to their head then shoot.
Please do an ultrakill vid, of the 27 weapons in the game, there’s only one I would call bad, and another that’s irrelevant if you can parry. Meaning you may not get a bad weapon academy out of it, but it would still be fun to hear you talk about it.
26:41 you can use crucible to kills dlc enemies even possessed one. If you're playing something like randomizer or moded levels that had dlc enemies spawns in the base campaign a quick crucible would still worth it
The meathook has to show up atleast at the last part of Doom TDA cause it would explain how he got it and also it solidifies the SSG with the meathook as the original Doomguy SSG. Cause ya know, 2016 SSG is just a regular SSG still UAC made but nothing like the Doomguy upgraded SSG that went through hell with him.
I don't know why, but for some reason the shotgun sticky bombs tickle my brain in just the right way. Ripping off consecutive headshots, or hitting enemies from across the arena while dodging like a madman... Idk it just feels fantastic to use. In comparison I was honestly disappointed by the Super Shotgun. Just feels gross to use, i think it's how wide the spread is. Also takes away ammo that could be used for sticky bomb snipes.
Looking at your Nu Doom videos, I feel like the problem with the weapons is that of redundancy. Instead of just one gun for one kind of job, you're giving the player the illusion of choice with not only weapon mods, but also weapons that fill identical roles (like, this tierlist has three times the entries of Classic Doom weapons). Mixed with the theorically Infinite ammo that glory kills give you and the ridiculously small ammo reserve cap, weapon switch is something that the game forces on you rather than a concious choice in part of the player.
Chainsaw kills refilling ammo in NuDoom has to be the single worst design decision ID Software ever made: -The Rocket Launcher and Plasma Rifle can't be power weapons like in the classics, because you could just spam them on everything and then refill ammo as soon as the fuel counter regenerates. -The Unmaykr can't use cells like in Doom 64, because you could just spam it on everything and refill ammo as soon as the fuel regenerates. -DPS weapons can't be as efficient as weapon swap combos, or else you could just spam Micro Missiles, Mobile Turret, and Heat Blast Mastery from across the map and then refill ammo as soon as the fuel regenerates. The entire classic FPS arsenal perfected in Quake II was designed around ammo being limited resources placed throughout the levels. When you take that aspect away from Doom in an attempt to turn it into some kind of Overstimulation TikTok Hero Movement Shooter, you just end up with the entire arsenal feeling underwhelming just so players can't spam anything. Even then, there's enough wiggle room in Eternal's overcorrected design that you could just spam 4 Lock-On Bursts against 99% of the opposition, wait for the fuel cooldown with Energy Shield and Ice Bomb, and spam 4 Lock-On Bursts again. We can only hope that The Dark Ages is able to have a more cohesive vision for NuDoom, since it won't have to scrap an unbalanced draft half-way through development. I have a bad feeling that it will go so far in the Fun Zone direction, though, it will completely alienate fans of the classics.
@@IDrinkLava All of your criticisms are just saying exactly why the game is designed the way it is lmfao. And you just directly contradict yourself by saying you're forced to play quickswitch, then saying you can just use one weapon in 99% of encounters. Pick a lane bro.
@@DaisiesTC "All of your criticisms are just saying exactly why the game is designed the way it is lmfao." The game is not designed perfect. It's actually quite flawed. That's why DPS weapons are woefully inadequate compared to weapon switch combos at high levels of play besides Energy Shield. "And you just directly contradict yourself by saying you're forced to play quickswitch, then saying you can just use one weapon in 99% of encounters." I didn't contradict myself. The Fun Zone contradicts itself by giving players a noob cannon like the Lock-On Burst and free stun options, mostly likely as concessions to console players.
@@IDrinkLavaI don't care I enjoy the game and love it to death. I'm good at it, if you don't learn how to play it and have fun with it, then go back to classic doom and shut up. 4 years of having to argue against LIES and people that just don't understand resource management, which is funny because classic doom also had resource management! The main difference is that if you ran out of ammo, you had to look for it on the map... wait, there's also ammo pick ups on Doom Eternal! How strange! Calling it a TikTok-fucking-whatever... are you 60 years old dude? Come on! YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY LIKE A MANIAC TO SUCCEED! "you control the buttons you press" goodbye
God damn I'm a bad fan, I've been subscribed for two or three years and I only just noticed that put channel name is fish stick on a stick, it says stick twice. And I only noticed because the logo was put on front and center at the start of the video
WHY MICROWAVE BEAM IS BETTER THAN HEAT BLAST It can do everything heat blast can do but better! You can stun enemies in place instantly with the microwave beam. Even if you lock onto them for only half a second, their attack or jump animation will instantly be canceled. And it costs no ammo. And the movement speed penalty won’t matter because you only need to lock onto enemies for (at most) a second. With the heat blast you use up way more ammo just to *falter* enemies, not even stun. If you want to use the heat blast for large groups, you can just use explosives. The microwave beam also has the advantage of having much better range, which means it is better at taking out shielded enemies. Getting close to shield guys risks getting heavy damage by their super op shotguns (this is how I die 90% of the time playing this game). The microwave beam instantly takes out shield guys in one second from long range, while with the heat blast you have to make sure you have a charge, then get close to them and risk damage. So in conclusion, the heat blast is incredibly mediocre, as it is incredibly ammo inefficient, and is outclassed by the microwave beam and explosives. Fish if you’re reading this, try using the microwave beam purely as a combo weapon, just like the precision bolt, not as a finisher like the full auto mod. Also, try playing WITHOUT killing spirits. I know it sounds crazy at first, but you don’t actually need to kill the spirit, instead kill the demon that’s in the PROCESS of getting possessed. And if it’s possessing a fodder demon, then just leave it until the end of the arena battle. This strategy helped me enjoy the dlcs much more.
I never got why a shotgun combined with a grenade launcher is so popular, doesn't make sense. Autoshotgun makes way more sense. Also I'm really bad at aiming sticky bombs at cacodemon mouths.
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I never really understood why people liked the Energy Shield so much until you mentioned it protects you against everything around you. I always thought it only protected you from the front.
It would actually be somewhat balanced that way! But no, it's practically invincibility on demand for a few seconds, every few seconds.
2 things to add about the energy shield.
The dash damage can be applied way more quickly will using thr chrono strike rune.
Before it's removal from battlemode, the energy shield was nerfed a couple of months into the game by replacing it from basically on demand invulnerability to a physical shield that would be in front of the slayer with said physical prop being the only to block stuff.
except bellow your feets. Mancubus/cyber manc ground pound, cyber manc toxic on the floor, dread knight electric floor, hazards that on floor, even when u in the air and projectiles throw at your feets. Aside from that it pretty much blocked anything, even fall damage when u fall off the map
Dash ramming with the shield has always been broken.
Haven't played so I will simply blindly assume every ranking to be correct except for whatever is the most controversial one. (Please pretend this comment goes on for five paragraphs about said controversial weapon and why it's actually good/bad.)
Agreed (I haven't finished doom 2016 still lol)
Fair point, i need to piss also
Dude how could you be so stupid to think controversial weapon is actually good/bad. Did you even watch the video, or any of the points Fish made as to why it is actually bad/good. I mean, the design, ammunition, reload, fire, damage, all of it clearly serves to make the weapon bad/good.
I disagree with your opinion on and provide a three paragraph response explaining
@@davidhong1934 I reply with an argument full of logical fallacies and references to your mother
The pistol is SSS+++ tier
-this post has been made by the pistol gang
So good that they wouldn’t dare add it to doom eternal otherwise it would orbital nuke the weapon balance
The heavy cannon would have felt like 50x better if they called it the _hand_ cannon and gave it the pistol model.
I miss that pistol.
@@submachinegun5737 There's actually a cheat code in the game that lets you use a pistol
I mean, it had _INFINITE AMMO_ blatantly overpowered
base fire on the heavy cannon is great as a precise way to take off health so you don't risk overkilling enemies when you need a glory kill right here right now
Zombies in particular will stagger from a single heavy cannon headshot. A fast, easy, ammo efficient way to get some free health between fights
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One headshot or two bodyshots
Because of the font, I read this as "every weapon bonked"
"I'm gonna bonk ya"
Bonk
Bonk
Now I'm picturing Doomguy anointing his weapons with fruit punch.
Bonk
Prewatch funnies: Found the Unmakyr video last night. Started watching the series this morning. What a perfect coincidence that this video launches right after i finish the series. Timing on point.
Edit while watching: I find it funny that B Tier is full of exclusively mediocre explosive mods
Oh yeah it is lol
b is for bomb
Good video but it's kind of weird to complain about the sound design of a weapon and not play they sound in question
12:58
Fish used the Rocket Jump Waltz as the backing music for talking about the base rocket launcher, this is peak
was looking for this comment
I miss the mobile turret from 2016. It had all the issues that you mentioned, but you could use the rune that gave you infinite ammo above a certain armour threshold, and it was just so funny, shredding through everything with infinite ammo without a care in the world
I loved doing that so much lmao
that rune was soooo op but i miss it so much
Rich get richer was probably the most busted rune in 2016 behind mastered ammo boost
I absolutely loved this series Fish, it was a great time. I do hope that maybe you can find a way to integrate this more somehow, it's always a treat to see these pop up.
Edit: Good to know that much like TF2, giving a sniping weapon explosive headshot is the logical choice to make a class/weapon more powerful.
Am I the only person that likes the new heavy assault rifle? The slow rate of fire helps distinguish it from the plasma rifle and chaingun and the sound effect has a pleasant bassy quality to it imo.
I love that slower chug, it feels powerful
On top of that it's a good way to conserve ammo too, slower rate will help you manage your bullets
The sound design is definitively better. The bassy "thug thug" makes it way more of a "heavy cannon" than in doom 2016 and is much more aligned with the report of a .50 cal machine gun. The 2016 sound design doesn't even really sound like a machine gun? It's kind of just clinky and cheap sounding tbh. No, you're not the only one.
18:37 Damn bro I’d like to say that Aim is cancer, but cancer actually kills stuff!
This is a golden sentence that I will be putting in my dictionary of "Incredible one liners that I will probably never get to use"
I'm glad the Heat Wave mode got into A tier. I loved that mod as an another take of the stun charge mod for the plasma gun in Doom 2016.
Wasn’t heat blast already in 2016? (Although admittedly I never used it bc stun bomb was incredibly useful - which ig is why they give you ice grenade instead in eternal)
@@Arakus99 Mmm, I think you are right. Eternal seems to just have combined both in a single mod. In 2016, the stun was very OP.
heatblast is THE best mod imo, because it is a hard falter unlike the super shotgun and rocket launcher
which means the demons will fslter when you hit them, NO MATTER WHAT
3:56 Made my day. I've been waiting YEARS for a youtuber to mention this!
I do think Microwave beam might be a little low, since it's best use case is just to tap a demon with it to use as an on-demand stun in the middle of combos, especially on bigger enemies like Barons.
Yeah but there's plenty of other things that accomplish the same thing but without fucking with your movement lol
Microwave beam would very likely be much more used if it didn't have the movement reduction. It still would be pretty weak and situational regardless, but not nearly as punishing to use.
@@DaisiesTC like i said, if you just feather the beam for a quick stun, the movement penalty doesn't really come into effect, especially if you use it while dashing. Other forms of stunning are usually limited resources or on a long cooldown, I.E. blood punch, grenades, and remote detonate.
Y'know, I haven't played the DLCs yet; I got distracted when I started and just booted up a new UV file. I just assumed the Hammer used the same ammo as the Crucible since it replaces it. That's fucking nuts that it doesn't.
the mobile turret, instead of increasing your attack speed, should have had you activate a shoulder mounted minigun that continues shooting at whoever u were aiming at when u activated it (& therefor also increases your damage output if u continue to chaingun that target). as a sort of "set it and forget it, make this guy go away while i do other stuff even if mobile turret is an inefficient way to do it" ability
Fish, I just wanted to say that I love the extra production value in your videos. Simple stuff like the tierlist being themed, and the games font used for onscreen text make your videos so much better than the usual ranking vids.
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Also could I get the link to that Rocket Waltz remix you used?
Microwave Beam does NOT belong that low in the ranking. It can stun demons with just a tap and without sacrificing mobility and can also create really powerful stun combos. You can also get into Fast Lock on Burst from the Beam. Microwave is absolutely OP against possessed demons. It's a FAAR better mod than full auto and mobile turret.
I noticed that a common denominator on these defense pieces is that the microwave beam is better if you don't use it lile a beam.
It's also good for holding a demon still to hit em with a grenade
@@massgunner4152 Not exactly, you have to use it as a beam for a while if you want to get into a fast LOB from the beam.
@@massgunner4152 same goes for all the other autofire weapons in the game, quickswitching's existence just breaks any balancing there
@@rofibhoi9788 we are boing to square 1 on this issue: using it for more than two seconds is bad for you.
Great list. I’d only change full auto to be above heat blast, and sticky bombs above or below the meme beam. I’m actually working on a video for sticky bombs as of now. I personally think they’re the worst weapon (mod) in the game. Their practicality just falls off hard after SGN. As far as full auto goes, since I know how people think about it in the comments, it’s actually really good against SH demons. D-Blade+ice bomb+full auto will one-cycle any demon that isn’t a boss, tyrant, or marauder.
The microwave beam can be used for quickswitches, since it freezes the enemy in place
That is one thing i did like more about siege mode in 2016 compared to the destroyer blade was that it was more of a precision shot instead of a wide shot that will be gone if it touched a wall. I will say though, the siege mode was overpowered as sh*t and was super broken lol
I started the game fairly recently and I’m playing it super casually, but I love these in depth videos, are extremely useful if I ever decide to go hardcore on Doom Eternal
I will always stand by Microwave Beam. Stun potential, finishing wounded demons for explosions without using rockets and shield fuckage are way better than low C. Same thing with Mobile Turret, my beloved.
I say mid-high C or low B. But I can see why people dislike them.
You have to use MB extremely precisely for it to pop off, but it's strong if you do. A rocket launcher blast in a room wide AoE for like ten cells? Yes please.
The movement penalty is what really kills it for me (aside from the high ammo cost)
The problem with the meme beam is that ideally you want the enemy to be on a sliver of health so you aren't slowed for too long. Otherwise, it's likely going to detriment you by making you take unnecessary damage that you could've avoided if you didn't want to use the meme beam. If you can roughly gauge where the demons' health is after a combo, then the meme beam is a lot better than the bottom of C, but otherwise it's too risky.
I like using Mobile Turret to hose down Pain Elementals
@@lordpumpkinhead265 Tap shooting the beam in the middle of combos completely takes away all the cons you mentioned and gives you the stun benefits it has.
Honestly, I never stopped using sticky bombs because they're just so useful for doing just the right amount of damage to stagger pretty much any fodder (especially shielded enemies), and you can spam them. A bunch of levels throw a ton of shield guys at you and it's often faster to stagger a whole group of them than use the plasma rifle.
You got this ranking and then you got me only using stickies and missiles unless something else is needed
It's normal to use stickies. It's one of the few that has a significant deal crit effect when headshotting or hitting weakpoints which turn it into a rocket with bigger splash radius. This tier list is coming from a casual player perspective and in no way reflect how efficient an advance player play
Whatever gets the demons killed, I stick to super shotgun and turret, myself usually
One time my gane bugged and the micro missile mod started shooting precision bolts instead but with the same ammo cost as missiles
I think that's called the IDKFA glitch
should rank every DEMON, little weird and outta the blue, but I'm curious what you find fun and challenging, that and I just like the demons alot
Not putting the BFG10000 at the absolute peak of top tier is an utter disgrace.
You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of mars
Can't wait for you to come out with new Doom videos for the new Doom Game. Also, if you have the time, I would love to see your opinions on the Unmaykr from Doom 64.
I'm more of a classic Doom gamer than a modern era one but is a tier list like this really necessary? Oh well, I suppose at the very least its entertaining and good for the channel.
I disagree with the Plasma rifle, I never enjoy using it, it feels like im firing wet noodles, I'd personally switch its placement with the heavy cannon simply because I dislike firing it that much.
fr that shits ass
15:40 baller ass mod switch transition
The microwave bean should have been rated way higher, at least low b tier. No one ever really uses it to kill demons, but it’s stun effect is very useful. You can stun a demon and quick switch to another weapon and then stun it again over and over. This is good against possessed demons, who move fast. It deals with energy shields really quick and for practically no ammo usage. I feel like for a weapon like the plasma rifle which doesn’t have much synergy with other weapons in the arsenal, the microwave beam is much more useful than the heat wave, if you would use the plasma rifle at all. The damage output from the ballista is much higher than the plasma rifle’s heat wave so I’d rather spend my ammo on that then waste half the clip charging the heat wave for only a quick burst of damage
This video is _not_ a "ranked from best to worst" video. It's a tier list, sure, but it's completely out of order.
I just got around to actually finishing this game. And now you go and post this. Nice
The slot style editing is really fun for this kind of video
(maybe)hot take shotguns sticky bomb launcher is amazing
Love your Doom Eternal videos, easily my favorite non-tf2 stuff from ya :D
1:25 Doom 3 fans: "First time?"
"YA CAN'T HIT ANYTHING WITH IT UNLESS YA STICK IT UP A DEMON'S NOSE!"
Rocket launcher F tier cant rocket jump 😔
Surprised rocket jump isn't a thing in doom more often.
1:26 - it depends on where do you hit, i don't know if spread is random but it is pretty controloble if you know where to show (i.e. bodyshot close range will stager zombie gunners and kill imps, hitting to the side staggers imps and, on second shot, staggers zombie gunman. imps have the same health as those fodder unarmed zombies)
Doom Eternal's shotguns all fire fixed spread patterns, but with randomized decals to give it the illusion of being RNG for...some reason.
@@IDrinkLava i see, i guess they though set pattern of spread would look wierd
Micro-missile main here. Appreciate the love you give em. Cheers
At the start of my Ultra-nightmare runs I would have agreed with you on the placement of the plasma beam, but eventually I realized that it was more useful than I initially thought, mainly for locking down the most powerful enemy in the arena and removing them from the picture. I would've put it in B, maybe even A, but most likely B.
SS tier is a Reinhardt cosplay
Reinhardt got the BFG ability?!?
@@aleflippy1997 its an overpowered flamestrike
I've been a fan of the Destroyer Blade since the first time I used it. Actually became one of my most used mods in the game. Just run to the end of a semi-long hallway, make the enemies line up behind you and slice them all up with one shot. Incredibly satisfying to use, especially against the snakes, Revenants and Carcasses. Hell, if I remember right it's even good against Pinkies and Arachnotrons.
Came for the TF2 vids, stayed for the Fish. Keep it up brother
Honestly i think plasma rifle as a whole has no real use since quickswitching exists and is WAY more useful than just using one weapon for just a bit longer, the damage output is just unmathced. You could also say that thing for chainguin, but it has that op shield, that honestly on it's own could be classified as a super weapon with how much you can get away with this thing. That makes it strange (atleast in my book), that the micorwave beam is the only actually useful thing on plasma rifle, since you can atleast stun enemies by just clicking on them with this mod. Why would you use heat blast mod, when you won't be using plasma rifle to charge the blast to begin with, when you have all these ballista, heavy cannon, supershotgun, rocket launcher combos which deal so much more damage than the plasma rifle. Sure, if you could only use 1 weapon through level and that weapon would be plasma rifle, than it makes total sense to use heat blast mod, but with all of these other options it just doesn't.
Tbf heat blast stuns in an aoe, not just one target
Weapon rankings have always seemed like a strange case to me
I’d actually be really interested in seeing a full tier list on just the fun feel of each weapon
Puting rock jump on the rocket section is a good choice
Stickfishonafish makes bangers
an in defence of remote detonation maybe ?
With the microwave beam just briefly zap to stagger it and judge its health. It can stun anything so you can use it to combo superheavys by constantly stunning them between the ssg, ballista one two punch. Plus using it as an explosive finisher is nice.
Love doom eternal and your content! This is a win win
the sticky grenade combat shotgun is actually pretty useful, a single sticky grenade into a cacodemons mouth instantly makes them able to glory kill
18:39 had me ROLLING
Nor the four consecutive missed headshots
I feel that
man i just can’t wait to get that new pc next week and play this masterpiece
i did play a bit on console at a frinds place but its not the same
Clicked for Doom, stayed and subscribed for Melee music
did you play the mod kaisercampain? because it is entirely balanced around the hammer and it is charged with weak point breaks and blood punch kills. i think you need four of ether to charge it up
You forgot that beam can be used in a quick switch to stun lock enemies but aside from that everything is perfect here and i got to know new things even!
Correction tho, ballista charge doesn't do more dmg
I have the game but haven't played it yet - I'll save this video and rewatch it a second time when I'll play it!
I feel another thing to add to the precision bolt is that it's better on pc than it is on console. Being able to swap at the press of a button and flick onto a demon's head is way easier on pc since for console you have to open up the weapon wheel, select the weapon, ads, move slowly to their head then shoot.
I’m very interested in seeing a similar thing for Fallout: New Vegas’s unique weapons
fish came in clutch just as i started my ultra nightmare run
Please do an ultrakill vid, of the 27 weapons in the game, there’s only one I would call bad, and another that’s irrelevant if you can parry. Meaning you may not get a bad weapon academy out of it, but it would still be fun to hear you talk about it.
Soldier theme in rocket launcher part 👍
26:41 you can use crucible to kills dlc enemies even possessed one. If you're playing something like randomizer or moded levels that had dlc enemies spawns in the base campaign a quick crucible would still worth it
Ah yes, the Sentinel Hammer.
The Urshifu of Doom Eternal
The meathook has to show up atleast at the last part of Doom TDA cause it would explain how he got it and also it solidifies the SSG with the meathook as the original Doomguy SSG. Cause ya know, 2016 SSG is just a regular SSG still UAC made but nothing like the Doomguy upgraded SSG that went through hell with him.
I love vids like this for some reason.
fishstickonastickrankseveryweapon,fromworsttobestinDOOMeternal
If your on your 2nd or 3rd play through the super shotgun is the best weapon in the whole game. And then I remembered the ballista
I really wanna see fish do more boomer shooter content, it would be awesome
I refuse to take this list seriously after seeing missiles, stickies and meme beam in such low tiers
Good video, good editing, nice.
I don't know why, but for some reason the shotgun sticky bombs tickle my brain in just the right way. Ripping off consecutive headshots, or hitting enemies from across the arena while dodging like a madman... Idk it just feels fantastic to use.
In comparison I was honestly disappointed by the Super Shotgun. Just feels gross to use, i think it's how wide the spread is. Also takes away ammo that could be used for sticky bomb snipes.
26:36 and doom hunter, even the nonboss version takes 2 crucible swings
Wake up babe new fish was added to the stick
Doomguy came into heck and doomguyed everywhere
18:38 missing 6 shots in a row with the ballista is rough lol
I would love to see a video like this on ultrakill
if the sticky bomb launcher doesnt get number 1 i will riot
prepare for the riot
Looking at your Nu Doom videos, I feel like the problem with the weapons is that of redundancy. Instead of just one gun for one kind of job, you're giving the player the illusion of choice with not only weapon mods, but also weapons that fill identical roles (like, this tierlist has three times the entries of Classic Doom weapons). Mixed with the theorically Infinite ammo that glory kills give you and the ridiculously small ammo reserve cap, weapon switch is something that the game forces on you rather than a concious choice in part of the player.
Chainsaw kills refilling ammo in NuDoom has to be the single worst design decision ID Software ever made:
-The Rocket Launcher and Plasma Rifle can't be power weapons like in the classics, because you could just spam them on everything and then refill ammo as soon as the fuel counter regenerates.
-The Unmaykr can't use cells like in Doom 64, because you could just spam it on everything and refill ammo as soon as the fuel regenerates.
-DPS weapons can't be as efficient as weapon swap combos, or else you could just spam Micro Missiles, Mobile Turret, and Heat Blast Mastery from across the map and then refill ammo as soon as the fuel regenerates.
The entire classic FPS arsenal perfected in Quake II was designed around ammo being limited resources placed throughout the levels. When you take that aspect away from Doom in an attempt to turn it into some kind of Overstimulation TikTok Hero Movement Shooter, you just end up with the entire arsenal feeling underwhelming just so players can't spam anything. Even then, there's enough wiggle room in Eternal's overcorrected design that you could just spam 4 Lock-On Bursts against 99% of the opposition, wait for the fuel cooldown with Energy Shield and Ice Bomb, and spam 4 Lock-On Bursts again.
We can only hope that The Dark Ages is able to have a more cohesive vision for NuDoom, since it won't have to scrap an unbalanced draft half-way through development. I have a bad feeling that it will go so far in the Fun Zone direction, though, it will completely alienate fans of the classics.
@@IDrinkLava All of your criticisms are just saying exactly why the game is designed the way it is lmfao. And you just directly contradict yourself by saying you're forced to play quickswitch, then saying you can just use one weapon in 99% of encounters. Pick a lane bro.
@@DaisiesTC "All of your criticisms are just saying exactly why the game is designed the way it is lmfao."
The game is not designed perfect. It's actually quite flawed. That's why DPS weapons are woefully inadequate compared to weapon switch combos at high levels of play besides Energy Shield.
"And you just directly contradict yourself by saying you're forced to play quickswitch, then saying you can just use one weapon in 99% of encounters."
I didn't contradict myself. The Fun Zone contradicts itself by giving players a noob cannon like the Lock-On Burst and free stun options, mostly likely as concessions to console players.
@@IDrinkLavaI don't care
I enjoy the game and love it to death. I'm good at it, if you don't learn how to play it and have fun with it, then go back to classic doom and shut up. 4 years of having to argue against LIES and people that just don't understand resource management, which is funny because classic doom also had resource management! The main difference is that if you ran out of ammo, you had to look for it on the map... wait, there's also ammo pick ups on Doom Eternal! How strange!
Calling it a TikTok-fucking-whatever... are you 60 years old dude? Come on! YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY LIKE A MANIAC TO SUCCEED!
"you control the buttons you press" goodbye
God damn I'm a bad fan, I've been subscribed for two or three years and I only just noticed that put channel name is fish stick on a stick, it says stick twice. And I only noticed because the logo was put on front and center at the start of the video
Can’t imagine how long it took to make those graphics. Looked fantastic though
i will not stand this combat shotgun slander
Yeah, but... what about the Pistol? ;)
Doom 2016 weapon tier list when?
You forgot to review the Chainsaw dummy ❤
WHY MICROWAVE BEAM IS BETTER THAN HEAT BLAST
It can do everything heat blast can do but better!
You can stun enemies in place instantly with the microwave beam. Even if you lock onto them for only half a second, their attack or jump animation will instantly be canceled. And it costs no ammo. And the movement speed penalty won’t matter because you only need to lock onto enemies for (at most) a second.
With the heat blast you use up way more ammo just to *falter* enemies, not even stun. If you want to use the heat blast for large groups, you can
just use explosives.
The microwave beam also has the advantage of having much better range, which means it is better at taking out shielded enemies. Getting close to shield guys risks getting heavy damage by their super op shotguns (this is how I die 90% of the time playing this game). The microwave beam instantly takes out shield guys in one second from long range, while with the heat blast you have to make sure you have a charge, then get close to them and risk damage.
So in conclusion, the heat blast is incredibly mediocre, as it is incredibly ammo inefficient, and is outclassed by the microwave beam and explosives.
Fish if you’re reading this, try using the microwave beam purely as a combo weapon, just like the precision bolt, not as a finisher like the full auto mod. Also, try playing WITHOUT killing spirits. I know it sounds crazy at first, but you don’t actually need to kill the spirit, instead kill the demon that’s in the PROCESS of getting possessed. And if it’s possessing a fodder demon, then just leave it until the end of the arena battle. This strategy helped me enjoy the dlcs much more.
5:23 I disagree, it sounds like the Puma ifv’s 30mm in real life and I think it’s an awesome sound
The heavy assault rifle also gets minus points for being so danm ugly, is like they tortured a p90 and grafted it on an evil scifi energy weapon.
So the Heavy Cannon micro missile mod makes you Soldier TF2?
The only one I really disagreed with is remote det rockets. The falters are really nice and you don’t even need the mastery for it
Enemy tier list next?
I never got why a shotgun combined with a grenade launcher is so popular, doesn't make sense. Autoshotgun makes way more sense. Also I'm really bad at aiming sticky bombs at cacodemon mouths.
Fish you should do a video on the doom 3 shotgun honestly 😂
yesss more fishy doom content
I'm really sleeping on the turret shield huh.