The Doom Marine's voice was PERFECT, I definitely want to listen to an audiobook or audio drama with his voice set in the DOOM universe! Loving the concepts and it's really well fleshed out despite the differences with the final game!
Yeah, I was constantly seeing glowing items pop out of enemies all the time.. seems kind of dumb at the time but... If it was the influence of hell, I mean... That's probably what it would look like.
In the end, it feels that the devs just couldn't fully implement all of thoses elements, most likely due to disagreements between the devs and wherever to go full on horror or action packed gameplay. Technological limitations has also negatively affected developpement as many gameplay features that were comfirmed to have been implemented at some point got removed, from scrapped weapons and items to cut ennemy behavior such as: -A railgun -Slugs for the shotgun -A better looking and functionning shotgun. Hold five shells, faster firing rate but slower reload, better bullet spread. -Zsec could melee you, as well as reload theirs guns. -Revenant was tougher, could run, always fired two rockets and had some sort of leap attack akin to the imp. -The Maggot's behavior was changed before release, and was going to be much more similar to the Vulgar. -The archvile was going to ressurect monsters instead of summoning them. -all characters and monsters had proper death animations instead of ragdols, and the bodies woule have stayed on the floor indefinitly. This was latter changed due to performance concerns. -slower weapon swiching, with realistic animations. -Player walking speed was raised from 100 to 140, while stamina rate was doubled from 12 to 24, this essentially made ennemies unable to keep up with you, hence why the game is consideres being to easy. -max armor was raised from 100 to 125. While not actually cut, it's barely used, but the wraith could be spawned hanging from the ceiling like a bat, falling down on some unsuspecting pray. This was recycled for the Gargoyle in Doom Eternal, who's design took inspiration from the wraith.
The Bruisers were going to have a proper introduction too, where one was going to be hiding as a terminal until it would burst out of a wall. I'm not sure if this was going to be a cutscene or a little surprise for the player. Edit: Forgot to mention, there's also how zombies were originally going to "resurrect" shortly after being killed, rather than just staying dead. Maybe this little gimmick made them too stressful to deal with or something, especially with large groups or cramped spaces.
I heard about this, the Bruisers could use theirs techno-organic apperences to tend ambushes. Intrestingly enough, the Bruiser was mentionned in the files of the E3 demo, and it seems that it was already being developped at the time and presumably considered for the base game. However, the Bruiser that we got was called the "Ressurection of Evil Bruiser" or something like that, meaning it could have either been recycled like the Archvile model that was reused for the Vulgar, or was a completely different one altogether.
The only other "new" monsters mentionned in the E3 demo was the Maggot, different zombie types minus and "cultist leader" Trites, Ticks, Wraiths, and the Sawer zombie were nowhere to be found, meaning that they were later additions. A "Spider demon boss" is mentionned, however the Arachnotron and Pain Elemental aren't anywhere either. The Barons of Hell are mentionned however.
Technical limitation are absolutely bull. Look at Dead Space 1. When the engine could not perform a tentacle grabbing the guy, they reshaped the gameplay just for that part. If a company with no history did it, the great ID software couldn't do it? It was solely because action FPS sells better, just admit it.
@@cybergothika6906 It's had nothing to do with sells at all actually, Id software was internally heavilly divided on the very concept of making a new Doom game altogether with some employees even leaving the compagny for it. It only escalated onward as the criticism from both playtesters and devs alike on the survivial horror aspect as opposed to the more action based direction usually associated with the franchise left some members of the dev team unsatisfied wich explains why the game turned from survivial horror to action horror as the developpement went on, after all D3 was announced in 2000 and set to be released for 2002, but was delayed several times because of the disagreements on what the game should be. As for the technological aspect it was very present, as oposed to the id tech 2 (Doom engine) who could render hundreds of sprite based entities without problem, the id tech 4 (Doom 3's engine) struggled with rendering multiple 3d entities on screen at once, wich not only served as the explaination as to why they went with horror at first as oposed to action based, yet even then suffered from it as most computers of the time struggled to even run Doom 3 on powerfull computers. Hence the removal of death animations and bodies staying on the floor among other problems.
@@Dockultra Hell nah bruh, i'd break into satan's crystal palace and haul off with the succy's then high tail it to limbo in my lambo. Oh damn... "Lambo to Limbo" sounds like an absolute fire track.
@@LILAC_CHAOS funny you mention, i played a match with the guy who made Hdoom in galactic conquest during the broteampill days before the twitch bans. he was cool but oddly enough did not like dark humor.
how on earth could you? Some of these scenes don't even make sense as gameplay. The introduction of the stealth section(near the end of the game?) doesn't make any sense
@@sinjin8576 Doom 3 isn't popular in the community as it deviated too much from the original, so there's very little interest in modding it, let alone play it.
Because both Doom movie (and that godawful tragedy we got a few years back) writing teams thought (wrongly) that they could have done a better job? Hollywood has never understood the meaning of the word 'adaptation'.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462man the doom movie script was just some zombie script someone had collecting dust and changed a few names. It's a shame how they had to wreck something so simple
@@sinjin8576 Yeah, I was pretty pissed at that movie myself. Doom is NOT THAT FRICKIN' HARD to adapt, lol. Zombies are so fucking boring, no wonder that even being a ripoff a zombie script it sucked. Sigh. If they were aiming for something a little different, why not a parody or something original? I'm so sick of writers who can't be arsed to stay on point in an adaptation. Writer: "I dOn'T wAnT tO bE pUt In A bOx!" Me: "THEN WHY THE **** ARE YOU DOING ANY SORT OF ADAPTATION?!!"
Agreed; Love it and still return to it every couple years. It’s one of my top “soft spot” games.. It was such a special time in PC gaming and was the reason I built my first computer.. I was so proud I could play DooM 3..
@@lordterra1377 Doom 3 isn't the first Doom game to implement more horror and slower pacing. Doom 64 did it first and it was awesome, especially when you play with headphones - every scratch, every moan, every distant step behind the walls is heard and raises the tension. For me personally, the ideal Doom would be something in between the fast-paced brutal shooter and the horror story that acknowledges the dangerous and brutal nature of the demons and Hell. Something like in FEAR 1&2, where you have cool shootouts mixed with horror segments with ghosts and other paranormal stuff. What they did in Doom Eternal was a bit over the top for me. Too goofy at times. Doom 2016 was way better, at least demons weren't clowns.
@@ComradeStrogg Doom 64 is the same as the original Doom, the gameplay is no different. Doom 64 follows the Doom Bible closer in atmosphere and design elements but that's it. In the book Masters of Doom the devs reveal that Quake 2 was actually meant to be Doom 3, but they thought it would confuse consumers having two different Doom games coming out at the same time.
Thank you for giving this game a bit of much-deserved love. I can’t believe that it’s 20 this year. Underrated game with a unique vibe, one of my favourites.
Doom 3 is an unappreciated masterpiece and one of my all time favorite games. Absolutely amazing work on the video and I am glad I could see this deep dive in to what it could have been.
Every time I see these scrapped heavily changed storylines in detail that got scrapped due to scope, time, or resources, etc. I wish there was a community mod that recreated the original idea. This "Alternative Doom 3" could be made for sure. I also wonder how much of this original game story lines up with the Doom 3 novels.
Things I wish were kept in the final game: -Exterior shots of Mars City -The Marine's narration. I ultimately agree with making him silent in-game, but having his monologues on like the loading screens and such would have been cool. -General Hayden, or at least his role as turning Kelly into Sabaoth. It just kinda happens outta nowhere in the release version and always felt off as a result.Even showing Betruger doing it, or alternatively slowly showcasing Kelly's descent over time would have worked. -The visual element of Kelly being crucified as part of his boss design -Visiting the player Marine's quarters -The Chapel (the location itself, even if not the visions. In fact it's just really strange how Chapels (as in normal chapels not ones located within Hell) are just never shown in Doom games. I feel like the game could have made a great setpiece out of the chapel in the before/after versions of Mars City). -A closer personal connection to Chasar to make the Lost Soul transformation just that _extra bit_ more horrifying (though ideally not as an escort quest). I've always really liked the concept of the Lost Souls in Doom 3. Maybe not enough so to completely replace the original Lost Souls, but having them alongside, sure. They're just so disturbing on a conceptual level. -The Primar labs and corresponding enemy type -What sounds like a longer Hell section with multiple bosses therein. -The Bruiser introduction sequence (as well as the enemy itself though at least it was salvaged in the expansions). Honestly, no lie, my favorite Doom 3 enemy. I think it is _really_ cool. Incidentally I wonder if any of this stuff survived into the Doom 3 novelizations? IIRC the writer of those was involved in the game's production in a similar capacity to Marc Laidlaw's in that of the Half-Life games.
Could've had a Separate DLC variant that plays out with this exact story line but in the perspective of a security guard instead of the usual veteran skilled soldier
I love that book but I'd forgotten all the subtle changes here and there, but I feel like most of it has been effectively streamlined and the finished game is generally more polished. There's some stuff, like Theresa Chasar being an actual character you get to know for a bit before she becomes a lost soul, that sounds really intriguing, but spending that much time with her would probably just lead to more questions: how does it work? How did the machine parts get into her skull while she was still alive? Did she know she would turn? If she did, for how long? And why not say anything about it the whole time? And if she didn't know, how did she get infected? Did it happen prior to meeting her? It makes you start to question the exact process and nature of the hell stuff, which really rubs the mood and feeling of the game in the complete wrong direction, like trying to pet a cat backwards. Doom 4 & 5 feel perfectly at home giving you detailed logs on the exact specifications of hell's hierarchy, how the UAC makes cyberdemons, how argent works, and all that stuff, but Doom 3 leans extremely heavily on the idea of being haunted by creepy unknowable paranormal forces. It wants the horrors of hell to feel inexplicable and like you're stuck in an Exorcist sequel or something, because the atmosphere is a major part of it, if the player starts thinking too hard about how everything works, you get in the wrong headspace and it could take you out of it. The one thing I definitely wish was still a part of the game though is the four barons. Not only are those unique designs really damn cool, showing off Adrian's style while also a little bit resembling some of Wayne Barlowe's hell work with that fourth one, but my one major complaint about Doom 3 has always been how short the hell section is. And it's not just me, in that same book you hear that sentiment a lot, too. The whole game is based on this slow crescendo to revealing hell, it builds up the hype so high, and then once you get there it's incredible... and then you just leave? It would be like if you followed the original plan for Doom 1, where episode 3 was in the middle... but it was only a single level, bookended by techbases. The haunted house design of the techbase levels is incredible and engrossing but after you get to hell the foreplay with the player is over, there's no reason to pull punches anymore, but nope, you backpedal. It's a major pacing issue that thankfully Resurrection of Evil and Lost Mission knew better than to fall for, and its presence in the base game which is otherwise incredibly paced up to the journey to hell is just baffling. Having four distinct hell levels each with their own big bad bruiser brother would have solved that issue immensely, because not only would it give the designers more time and space to do weird fucked up hell shit, not only would we get a series of awesome bosses that have individual variation which is just a cool idea, but by the time you've journeyed to the four corners of hell and assembled the soul cube... you would be ready to get the hell out of... hell. As for the mastermind, I'm also gutted that the designs featured in the book never showed up (although ofc they were modeled and created in mods later on), the choice to make the Cyberdemon the final boss was the right call. Who knows if it was ever going to be any different, or where the mastermind would have fit into the original plan, but the build up and pay off of the Cyberdemon was great, as was the fact that nobody was really clamoring to see the mastermind return in the first place. In fact its absence is the whole reason the Doom 4 mastermind was such a big deal.
I was so stoked when I got doom 3 as a kid. Imagine my pain when I took it home, downloaded it, and found out the hard way that my computer wasn't powerful enough to run it. I could only play the first few minutes before it would crash.
Third time i'm back to watch again in 2 days, damn dude i'm hooked on this! I would LOVE if you went through the whole DOOM lore one day. I didn't even know DOOM 3 had a different story originally, now I need to know all the cut details from the whole series! So cool!! edit: I'm not sure which voice is yours, but I could listen to both main voices all day long~ I was very impressed @ 8:15 when I saw you *re-added* the handgun that was removed from that cutscene. I genuinely couldn't tell it was edited until I noticed in-game that his hand is empty!
I have the Doom 3 book as well and was always fascinated by the original story for that game, so it's really cool to see it dramatized like this. Keep up the great work!
So Hayden's name first was originally used here... I remember theories back when Eternal was going to be released that Samuel Hayden's name held a hint of his true identity; S. Hayden = Satan. Perhaps that was the original intent in early Doom 3.
There's some very interesting cut sections there that would probably make it if not for development constraints. Having the engineer as sidekick would have been cool for example, her transformation would've been even more impactful, since I was already terrified seeing that the first time. The lore seems very well developed but in the final game I didn't relate to anyone really, it doesn't do a good job at it, unlike their direct competitor at the time, which was Half Life 2.
Thankyou for introducing me to the Making of Doom 3 book, I had no idea such a thing was out. Bless the algorithm for bringing me here, and thankyou for your wonderful upload.
That was definitely interesting. Those visions remind me of the Alma/haunted sections in FEAR and what the Dead Space Markers do to people. I really like how that one scientist would’ve taken his own life instead of becoming a zombie. Same goes for that one lady turning into a lost soul. That definitely would’ve made the game darker. Having a general helping with the experiments was also an interesting idea. I’d LOVE a remake of Doom 3 that has the original story, fixes various issues with the gameplay, and builds on what worked with the original. Too bad we’ll NEVER see this become a reality. You’d think that we’d at least get a novelization of this lost story/script. Interestingly, I actually prefer Doom 3 over the originals and the reboot games. If we judge it strictly as a Doom game I agree wholeheartedly that it falls flat. If you judge it as its own thing I’d say it’s pretty good. A bit rough around the edges and could’ve been better in some aspects. I also liked all the events borrowed from Half-Life. The intro is reminiscent of Half-Life’s intro because after you get off the shuttle you get to look around the place before things go wrong, the workers/security are on edge, and there’s little accident/equipment malfunctioning that foreshadows the eventual disaster. The BFG functions like the Tau Cannon where you charge it up, and if you hold down charge for too long the thing explodes killing you. There’s also soldiers and scientists/workers who will either follow you and inevitably die, or stay in that spot like Half-Life’s NPCs do. I also like the atmosphere and how people have realistic reactions to seeing hell and demons enter reality.
Dude, thanks so much for making a video about The Making of Doom 3. I can't get the book online, and I've been interested in reading about the behind the scenes details of the game.
This video is amazing. The voice acting, the editing, the sound design, production value, your channel is such a blessing for us Doom 3 fans, I remember being 12 years old not playing past the first two levels because I was terrified of this game when I was young. Thank you so much for putting this together, I've immediately subscribed and am looking forward for more content from you sir!
I prefer the Doom 3 we ended up getting, however the longer Hell sections with 4 bossed would have been amazing. Seems like a great project for modders to implement this. I really love the "lived-in" feel you get in these levels, its a significant reason as to why I like this game so much. I did a lot of modding back in the day, especially when looking through the sound files there is a lot of unused stuff or the names of folders and such that also imply some cut content regarding casual pre-invasion interactions. Would love it if they returned to this formula with new tech, imagine a long drawn out horror game exploding into full blown Doom FPS gameplay at times, returning back to the slow atmospheric style for the player's respite. Similar to the 2005 movie or F.E.A.R.. It just needs to be kept simple: Demons from Hell with survivors trying to survive; not drawn out complex interwoven plots with twists and turns. The communications and gameplay during the slow sections serving as a means to gain access to supplies and new weapons by navigating and unlocking the UAC facility. Anyways, amazing video as always, looking forward to more stuff from you.
Would love a return to the more Aliens vibe of Doom. Just a normal, average space marine who, nonetheless, is a tough badass, but still an underdog going up against a threatening, hostile force.
this game is criminally under liked, sure its not as good as the older and newer dooms but when you push those expectations out of your mind, its deserving of at least a 7 or 8 out of 10
Left in the dust-for now, maybe not. Good AI voices need good voice actors to train them. And even the best AI voices lack the range of emotion that a voice actor can deliver. But I agree, for simple narration, they are amazing to use.
This video got recommended to me randomly and I was so surprised with the production quality of it all. Amazing work at realizing this alternative narrative! I genuinely can’t believe you have so few subscribers if you’re putting out content like this.
Thanks for appreciating this game. I love Doom 3. To me, it's still impactful and scary. Playing it in the dark with headphones is almost too much for me to handle!
This is intresting. While not entirely doom like (ie lore and more talking of the player) its intresting. Ironically I feel like Eternal style story telling might have been alot like what was imagined for this version of Doom 3.
I always thought that sabaoth was Campbell and not Kelly until I replayed the game after a long time and remembered that Campbell died moments before the fight against sabaoth and he said that it was kelly who became a demon.
Here I sit, fighting the darkness of relentless exhaustion as it threatens to pulls me into a restless sleep. I must fight! It's only midnight... but I'm so tired. I can't do this alone- I need motivation! A notice illuminates my phone screen, a beacon of hope in the darkness. LeChum posted a Doom video? LeChum... what a chum... Yes! This is what I needed! Spin that sucker up, throw it on the big screen, pour another coffee. Here I sit, steaming mug in hand, rejuvinated and ready to embrace that darkness of another kind. Lifting my cup toward the screen is silent declaration, "Cheers, mate. I should have known you'd have my back."
I love the way you do these videos, hopefully it makes more people understand why Doom 3 is so good. Especially since it's going to turn 20 years old in august.
Again and again I realise that "different" isn't supposed to mean "worse" from the get-go. This definitely isn't "the Doom" we've all known and enjoyed since 1993, so what? A bold shift from guns-blazing power fantasy with a one liner story of "experiment gone wrong" towards sophisticated and sinister plot of pact with the Evil and sacrifices where you are to SURVIVE rather than eradicate anything that moves. Gave me numerous blood chilling moments, I still think Doom3's hell level is the best of them all. Aaaaand thank you for bringing up this even deeper and richer story!
I mean, one of the OG devs, can't recall who exactly, basically said that if the technology were available at the time, Doom 3 essentially would have been the game they would have made back in the early 90s. This idea that Doom 3 is a complete departure and aberration from the originals is bogus.
@@noneofyourbusiness910 That is true. Doom was always meant to be a horror game. I personally dislike the power fantasy they got in the recent games. If anything i find more admirable the tale of struggle and victory of humans against an unnatural evil imo
I dig the AI voice used when you describe the changes made in the final product. It honestly sounds like the kind of narrator you'd get for an actual documentary.
The original version somehow has a slower pace but a bit more detailed story while the final game feel a bit more faster pace by simplify the story. I actually kinda like the original version, feel a bit like Doom RPG
When people say "slower pace" I honestly don't get it, the narrative pauses and gameplay should be considered separately when determining If the game is fast pace or not. I don't think having a dense history would have affected the gameplay drastically, you would have just more cutscenes. Pauses like a loading screen.
12:20 When I modded Doom 3 to let me use the Double Barrel Shotgun from Resurrection of Evil in the main campaign, I actually replaced the shotgun by the dying marine there with the Double Barrel Shotgun. I remember reading this sequence in The Making of Doom 3 and figured I could give it back the original gravitas by dropping the Double Barrel Shotgun there. I did also add another Double Barrel Shotgun in the room where the first Pinky attacks you, since the Pinky is the first enemy that requires two shotgun blasts to take out. Then I replaced one of the shotguns in Hell and Delta 5 with Double Barrel Shotguns for the remaining pickups needed for the campaign. The mod I used to add the DB Shotgun is CSTDoom3, though that mod added the DB Shotgun in other places. I wanted the DB Shotgun in those specific areas and so modified the map files custom myself.
This video is great. Thank you for this, these videos are so interesting. I love doom 3 most out of all the doom games. I bought the book 1 year ago because I wanted to explore the lore.
Very nice illustration 👍👍👍. Doom 3 is always in discussion whenever the topic of Doom comes into picture. The fear element is the highest in this game compared to all other doom games.
Must say almost wached whole video and this was fantastic version of doom 3 only problem that i Have with this IS IT never were released or Even getting mod version of IT so that IT could Be enjoyed somehow same thing with doom4 1.0 unrelesed
I can't believe we haven't had a small open world Doom game, where you can choose dialogue with NPCs. Choose to be an engineer, scientists and Marine. Work your way up forge friendships play cards turbo turkey puncher on your time off. Going to work then back to your barracks in Mars city. As the engineers work being rewiring wires, hazardous trash removal, installing Windows, after getting better and better jobs, you eventually are working on computer screens in Delta, power problems in Delta to volunteering on extra credit..... Awesomeness! If the players a scientist goes from working in the power plant (enpor) monorail station, to shipping and ordering, to the dig sites, eventually alpha labs then of course Delta labs and then volunteering for extra credit awesomeness! Then of course Marine patrolling creepy under ground mars City areas to outside areas, to running security for alpha to going back and forth with your team to extra credit areas (hell of course). But of course the player is applying for these new jobs as they progressed through the game choosing dialogue with characters from the original being your boss or coworkers choosing dialogue that your character is, afraid or into the work. All kinds of stuff, Choose what you want to wear. Would anyone else play a game like this?? Love the video man it was pretty cool! 😎
Hugo Martin actually said, that doom3 is possibly a prequel to the original game, which makes sense now…. What with the marine in this game look like the marine in 2016 and eternal… and it’s possible that he’s traversed through time and multiverse…. 🤔
Where did Hugo Martin say this? I could see these games being connected via a multiverse or there being multiple timelines, though a bunch of retcons would have to happen for Doom 3 to be a prequel; it, like Doom (2016), was a reboot of the series. The Doom Marine in the original games also looks different from the Doom 3 Marine. And it's been confirmed in Doom Eternal that the Slayer is that original marine
To be honest, I would like to see this cancelled story actually re-implemented, possibly by mods for Doom 3. Cause I love when game has character that actually talks and that you can understand, with interesting world, story and great gaming experience. Because, despite how good Doom 2016 and Eternal was, they becoming boring very quickly. Sure, Doom Eternal has some story but it is still the same boomer shooter. Yes, I like boomer shooters, but I don't like playing them too much because, the overdose of games of this kind can cause a burnout and you won't be wanting to play it later down the line or any other game. Cause that is what happened to me few years ago. And to restore my interest to video games I simply looked back at the games that I skipped, and played them. Such games as Constantine The Video Game, Fear 3, Land of the Dead or Conflict series. So yeah, it is actually a good thing to refresh existing series with a game with good story. Thus why I never understood the hate around Doom 3 that I heard from many people. Cause this is underrated game and I would actually like to see it's true sequel but in bigger scale.
So id tried to pull off Half Lude but Doom? Its kinda funny that in 2016 Doom doomguy literally throws away the exposition machine just to kill some demons.
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The Doom Marine's voice was PERFECT, I definitely want to listen to an audiobook or audio drama with his voice set in the DOOM universe! Loving the concepts and it's really well fleshed out despite the differences with the final game!
Sounds like a cross between Dwayne Johnson and John Cena kek
Yeah it was great 👍🏾
Jeez dude. It definitely is AI. I'm pretty sure that if it was someone they would've been credited in the description.
Well done! Seems like some of the concepts from DOOM 3 such as the visions made their way over to DOOM 2016.
Yeah, I was constantly seeing glowing items pop out of enemies all the time.. seems kind of dumb at the time but... If it was the influence of hell, I mean... That's probably what it would look like.
In the end, it feels that the devs just couldn't fully implement all of thoses elements, most likely due to disagreements between the devs and wherever to go full on horror or action packed gameplay.
Technological limitations has also negatively affected developpement as many gameplay features that were comfirmed to have been implemented at some point got removed, from scrapped weapons and items to cut ennemy behavior such as:
-A railgun
-Slugs for the shotgun
-A better looking and functionning shotgun. Hold five shells, faster firing rate but slower reload, better bullet spread.
-Zsec could melee you, as well as reload theirs guns.
-Revenant was tougher, could run, always fired two rockets and had some sort of leap attack akin to the imp.
-The Maggot's behavior was changed before release, and was going to be much more similar to the Vulgar.
-The archvile was going to ressurect monsters instead of summoning them.
-all characters and monsters had proper death animations instead of ragdols, and the bodies woule have stayed on the floor indefinitly. This was latter changed due to performance concerns.
-slower weapon swiching, with realistic animations.
-Player walking speed was raised from 100 to 140, while stamina rate was doubled from 12 to 24, this essentially made ennemies unable to keep up with you, hence why the game is consideres being to easy.
-max armor was raised from 100 to 125.
While not actually cut, it's barely used, but the wraith could be spawned hanging from the ceiling like a bat, falling down on some unsuspecting pray. This was recycled for the Gargoyle in Doom Eternal, who's design took inspiration from the wraith.
The Bruisers were going to have a proper introduction too, where one was going to be hiding as a terminal until it would burst out of a wall. I'm not sure if this was going to be a cutscene or a little surprise for the player.
Edit: Forgot to mention, there's also how zombies were originally going to "resurrect" shortly after being killed, rather than just staying dead. Maybe this little gimmick made them too stressful to deal with or something, especially with large groups or cramped spaces.
I heard about this, the Bruisers could use theirs techno-organic apperences to tend ambushes.
Intrestingly enough, the Bruiser was mentionned in the files of the E3 demo, and it seems that it was already being developped at the time and presumably considered for the base game.
However, the Bruiser that we got was called the "Ressurection of Evil Bruiser" or something like that, meaning it could have either been recycled like the Archvile model that was reused for the Vulgar, or was a completely different one altogether.
The only other "new" monsters mentionned in the E3 demo was the Maggot, different zombie types minus and "cultist leader"
Trites, Ticks, Wraiths, and the Sawer zombie were nowhere to be found, meaning that they were later additions. A "Spider demon boss" is mentionned, however the Arachnotron and Pain Elemental aren't anywhere either.
The Barons of Hell are mentionned however.
Technical limitation are absolutely bull. Look at Dead Space 1. When the engine could not perform a tentacle grabbing the guy, they reshaped the gameplay just for that part. If a company with no history did it, the great ID software couldn't do it? It was solely because action FPS sells better, just admit it.
@@cybergothika6906 It's had nothing to do with sells at all actually, Id software was internally heavilly divided on the very concept of making a new Doom game altogether with some employees even leaving the compagny for it. It only escalated onward as the criticism from both playtesters and devs alike on the survivial horror aspect as opposed to the more action based direction usually associated with the franchise left some members of the dev team unsatisfied wich explains why the game turned from survivial horror to action horror as the developpement went on, after all D3 was announced in 2000 and set to be released for 2002, but was delayed several times because of the disagreements on what the game should be.
As for the technological aspect it was very present, as oposed to the id tech 2 (Doom engine) who could render hundreds of sprite based entities without problem, the id tech 4 (Doom 3's engine) struggled with rendering multiple 3d entities on screen at once, wich not only served as the explaination as to why they went with horror at first as oposed to action based, yet even then suffered from it as most computers of the time struggled to even run Doom 3 on powerfull computers. Hence the removal of death animations and bodies staying on the floor among other problems.
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"His back was blown out."
Yo...Demon's be doin backshots straight off the bang.
Well, I know what I'm gonna do when I go to hell 😏
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Hell nah bruh, i'd break into satan's crystal palace and haul off with the succy's then high tail it to limbo in my lambo.
Oh damn...
"Lambo to Limbo" sounds like an absolute fire track.
Hdoom 3
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funny you mention, i played a match with the guy who made Hdoom in galactic conquest during the broteampill days before the twitch bans.
he was cool but oddly enough did not like dark humor.
Futa demons 😈
Im glad general Hayden abandoned his post as a marine and took over the science team
The voice acting in these videos is really good
That's because they're AI voices. I'm almost certain I heard Michael Ironside in there.
Very cool, especially the marine's dialogue. I always found it a little strange how he never spoke in Doom 3.
It could be because that The Marine was terrified out of his mind during the events of the finished product.
@@NebLlebAnd yet, scientists, engineers and other weaker greener guards could?
@@NebLleb I don't think so. He's not Doom Guy but the Doom Marine was head strong enough to not get possesed.
I would have played the crap out of this version.
@@refurbishedtechpriest9076I'm surprised someone on the modding scene hasn't done this tbh.
Agreed.
how on earth could you? Some of these scenes don't even make sense as gameplay. The introduction of the stealth section(near the end of the game?) doesn't make any sense
@@sinjin8576 Doom 3 isn't popular in the community as it deviated too much from the original, so there's very little interest in modding it, let alone play it.
@@vinny-zebu ive seen more mods for doom 3 then doom 2016
Why THE FUCK didnt the doom movie use any of this?
Because both Doom movie (and that godawful tragedy we got a few years back) writing teams thought (wrongly) that they could have done a better job?
Hollywood has never understood the meaning of the word 'adaptation'.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462man the doom movie script was just some zombie script someone had collecting dust and changed a few names. It's a shame how they had to wreck something so simple
@@sinjin8576 Yeah, I was pretty pissed at that movie myself. Doom is NOT THAT FRICKIN' HARD to adapt, lol. Zombies are so fucking boring, no wonder that even being a ripoff a zombie script it sucked. Sigh.
If they were aiming for something a little different, why not a parody or something original? I'm so sick of writers who can't be arsed to stay on point in an adaptation.
Writer: "I dOn'T wAnT tO bE pUt In A bOx!"
Me: "THEN WHY THE **** ARE YOU DOING ANY SORT OF ADAPTATION?!!"
Well, they used the monkey.
@@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462 just like the Halo tv series 😂
Still can't get over the fact that the bad guy is called Betruger (which is basically the German Betrüger, roughly translated to Fraudster)
as interesting as this sounds, i'm glad we got what we got. Doom 3 is an incredible and severely underrated game.
Doom 3 is cool but my issue with it is it didn't really feel like Doom... Doom should always be fast paced.
Agreed;
Love it and still return to it every couple years.
It’s one of my top “soft spot” games..
It was such a special time in PC gaming and was the reason I built my first computer.. I was so proud I could play DooM 3..
Meh don't care I loved it
@@lordterra1377 Doom 3 isn't the first Doom game to implement more horror and slower pacing. Doom 64 did it first and it was awesome, especially when you play with headphones - every scratch, every moan, every distant step behind the walls is heard and raises the tension.
For me personally, the ideal Doom would be something in between the fast-paced brutal shooter and the horror story that acknowledges the dangerous and brutal nature of the demons and Hell. Something like in FEAR 1&2, where you have cool shootouts mixed with horror segments with ghosts and other paranormal stuff.
What they did in Doom Eternal was a bit over the top for me. Too goofy at times. Doom 2016 was way better, at least demons weren't clowns.
@@ComradeStrogg
Doom 64 is the same as the original Doom, the gameplay is no different. Doom 64 follows the Doom Bible closer in atmosphere and design elements but that's it.
In the book Masters of Doom the devs reveal that Quake 2 was actually meant to be Doom 3, but they thought it would confuse consumers having two different Doom games coming out at the same time.
Thank you for giving this game a bit of much-deserved love. I can’t believe that it’s 20 this year. Underrated game with a unique vibe, one of my favourites.
Doom 3 is an unappreciated masterpiece and one of my all time favorite games. Absolutely amazing work on the video and I am glad I could see this deep dive in to what it could have been.
Every time I see these scrapped heavily changed storylines in detail that got scrapped due to scope, time, or resources, etc. I wish there was a community mod that recreated the original idea.
This "Alternative Doom 3" could be made for sure.
I also wonder how much of this original game story lines up with the Doom 3 novels.
I'd love to see this story brought to life... I'd play the shit out of a DOOM game that's more of a survival/horror-shooter.
Doom 3 is already more horror-shooter than the other ones. But I get it, more survival horror elements would have been neat
Playing as a demi god is cool and all that. But playing as just a regular human is better.
@@rapatacush3 ⬆ This person gets it.
So, Doom 3?
You should try the ps1 port of DooM
best doom for me hands down
Things I wish were kept in the final game:
-Exterior shots of Mars City
-The Marine's narration. I ultimately agree with making him silent in-game, but having his monologues on like the loading screens and such would have been cool.
-General Hayden, or at least his role as turning Kelly into Sabaoth. It just kinda happens outta nowhere in the release version and always felt off as a result.Even showing Betruger doing it, or alternatively slowly showcasing Kelly's descent over time would have worked.
-The visual element of Kelly being crucified as part of his boss design
-Visiting the player Marine's quarters
-The Chapel (the location itself, even if not the visions. In fact it's just really strange how Chapels (as in normal chapels not ones located within Hell) are just never shown in Doom games. I feel like the game could have made a great setpiece out of the chapel in the before/after versions of Mars City).
-A closer personal connection to Chasar to make the Lost Soul transformation just that _extra bit_ more horrifying (though ideally not as an escort quest). I've always really liked the concept of the Lost Souls in Doom 3. Maybe not enough so to completely replace the original Lost Souls, but having them alongside, sure. They're just so disturbing on a conceptual level.
-The Primar labs and corresponding enemy type
-What sounds like a longer Hell section with multiple bosses therein.
-The Bruiser introduction sequence (as well as the enemy itself though at least it was salvaged in the expansions). Honestly, no lie, my favorite Doom 3 enemy. I think it is _really_ cool.
Incidentally I wonder if any of this stuff survived into the Doom 3 novelizations? IIRC the writer of those was involved in the game's production in a similar capacity to Marc Laidlaw's in that of the Half-Life games.
General Hayden was a part of the novels, as well as the Alpha shotgun
@@Pygargue00frCool.
Someone should seriously make a TC mod for Doom 3 that adapts these story concepts. A lot of this sounds great.
Would play a Doom 3 Director’s Cut
Man, personally I would've greatly appreciated a longer pre-amble before the action begins.
Same here tbh
Me too
Imagine someone made a fan made of the OG story as a alterative universe/reality.
Could've had a Separate DLC variant that plays out with this exact story line
but in the perspective of a security guard instead of the usual veteran skilled soldier
Blue Shift type shit
I love that book but I'd forgotten all the subtle changes here and there, but I feel like most of it has been effectively streamlined and the finished game is generally more polished. There's some stuff, like Theresa Chasar being an actual character you get to know for a bit before she becomes a lost soul, that sounds really intriguing, but spending that much time with her would probably just lead to more questions: how does it work? How did the machine parts get into her skull while she was still alive? Did she know she would turn? If she did, for how long? And why not say anything about it the whole time? And if she didn't know, how did she get infected? Did it happen prior to meeting her? It makes you start to question the exact process and nature of the hell stuff, which really rubs the mood and feeling of the game in the complete wrong direction, like trying to pet a cat backwards. Doom 4 & 5 feel perfectly at home giving you detailed logs on the exact specifications of hell's hierarchy, how the UAC makes cyberdemons, how argent works, and all that stuff, but Doom 3 leans extremely heavily on the idea of being haunted by creepy unknowable paranormal forces. It wants the horrors of hell to feel inexplicable and like you're stuck in an Exorcist sequel or something, because the atmosphere is a major part of it, if the player starts thinking too hard about how everything works, you get in the wrong headspace and it could take you out of it.
The one thing I definitely wish was still a part of the game though is the four barons. Not only are those unique designs really damn cool, showing off Adrian's style while also a little bit resembling some of Wayne Barlowe's hell work with that fourth one, but my one major complaint about Doom 3 has always been how short the hell section is. And it's not just me, in that same book you hear that sentiment a lot, too. The whole game is based on this slow crescendo to revealing hell, it builds up the hype so high, and then once you get there it's incredible... and then you just leave? It would be like if you followed the original plan for Doom 1, where episode 3 was in the middle... but it was only a single level, bookended by techbases. The haunted house design of the techbase levels is incredible and engrossing but after you get to hell the foreplay with the player is over, there's no reason to pull punches anymore, but nope, you backpedal. It's a major pacing issue that thankfully Resurrection of Evil and Lost Mission knew better than to fall for, and its presence in the base game which is otherwise incredibly paced up to the journey to hell is just baffling.
Having four distinct hell levels each with their own big bad bruiser brother would have solved that issue immensely, because not only would it give the designers more time and space to do weird fucked up hell shit, not only would we get a series of awesome bosses that have individual variation which is just a cool idea, but by the time you've journeyed to the four corners of hell and assembled the soul cube... you would be ready to get the hell out of... hell. As for the mastermind, I'm also gutted that the designs featured in the book never showed up (although ofc they were modeled and created in mods later on), the choice to make the Cyberdemon the final boss was the right call. Who knows if it was ever going to be any different, or where the mastermind would have fit into the original plan, but the build up and pay off of the Cyberdemon was great, as was the fact that nobody was really clamoring to see the mastermind return in the first place. In fact its absence is the whole reason the Doom 4 mastermind was such a big deal.
"Restoration of Hell" would be an awesome Doom 3 mod to see one day
Really cool how you got Elvis to voice Doom 3 Guy!
I was so stoked when I got doom 3 as a kid. Imagine my pain when I took it home, downloaded it, and found out the hard way that my computer wasn't powerful enough to run it. I could only play the first few minutes before it would crash.
The pre divinity machine doom marine voice was spot on
It's so funny, i just looked up the making of doom 3 yesterday but could only find the documentaries from forever ago. Awesome!
Third time i'm back to watch again in 2 days, damn dude i'm hooked on this! I would LOVE if you went through the whole DOOM lore one day. I didn't even know DOOM 3 had a different story originally, now I need to know all the cut details from the whole series! So cool!!
edit: I'm not sure which voice is yours, but I could listen to both main voices all day long~ I was very impressed @ 8:15 when I saw you *re-added* the handgun that was removed from that cutscene. I genuinely couldn't tell it was edited until I noticed in-game that his hand is empty!
I have the Doom 3 book as well and was always fascinated by the original story for that game, so it's really cool to see it dramatized like this. Keep up the great work!
You did a fantastic job. I would've loved it this was in the game. Like a arrange mode dlc. Great job making this. It must've take forever.
lol the marine though betruger was the good guy and swann an evil lawyer.
Doom 3 is a beloved game of mine, this game and Doom 64 will always be my favourite Doom games
So Hayden's name first was originally used here...
I remember theories back when Eternal was going to be released that Samuel Hayden's name held a hint of his true identity; S. Hayden = Satan.
Perhaps that was the original intent in early Doom 3.
With a voice like his, I almost thought that was the case
There's some very interesting cut sections there that would probably make it if not for development constraints. Having the engineer as sidekick would have been cool for example, her transformation would've been even more impactful, since I was already terrified seeing that the first time.
The lore seems very well developed but in the final game I didn't relate to anyone really, it doesn't do a good job at it, unlike their direct competitor at the time, which was Half Life 2.
If you ever want to make one about the original Doom 4 and early Doom 2016, i can give you some information, i was part of the group of leakers
The random Doom 3 space marines are the best looking hands down.
Damn. I had no idea. Quite the work you've put there.
Thankyou for introducing me to the Making of Doom 3 book, I had no idea such a thing was out. Bless the algorithm for bringing me here, and thankyou for your wonderful upload.
That was definitely interesting. Those visions remind me of the Alma/haunted sections in FEAR and what the Dead Space Markers do to people. I really like how that one scientist would’ve taken his own life instead of becoming a zombie. Same goes for that one lady turning into a lost soul. That definitely would’ve made the game darker. Having a general helping with the experiments was also an interesting idea. I’d LOVE a remake of Doom 3 that has the original story, fixes various issues with the gameplay, and builds on what worked with the original. Too bad we’ll NEVER see this become a reality. You’d think that we’d at least get a novelization of this lost story/script.
Interestingly, I actually prefer Doom 3 over the originals and the reboot games. If we judge it strictly as a Doom game I agree wholeheartedly that it falls flat. If you judge it as its own thing I’d say it’s pretty good. A bit rough around the edges and could’ve been better in some aspects. I also liked all the events borrowed from Half-Life. The intro is reminiscent of Half-Life’s intro because after you get off the shuttle you get to look around the place before things go wrong, the workers/security are on edge, and there’s little accident/equipment malfunctioning that foreshadows the eventual disaster. The BFG functions like the Tau Cannon where you charge it up, and if you hold down charge for too long the thing explodes killing you. There’s also soldiers and scientists/workers who will either follow you and inevitably die, or stay in that spot like Half-Life’s NPCs do. I also like the atmosphere and how people have realistic reactions to seeing hell and demons enter reality.
A damn fine production, it would be interesting to see the same type of video with dead space since that game went through many iterations like doom 3
Damn. Kinda wish we got this version
This was awesome! I've always wanted to see someone look at Doom 3's cut content
Dude, thanks so much for making a video about The Making of Doom 3. I can't get the book online, and I've been interested in reading about the behind the scenes details of the game.
This video is amazing. The voice acting, the editing, the sound design, production value, your channel is such a blessing for us Doom 3 fans, I remember being 12 years old not playing past the first two levels because I was terrified of this game when I was young. Thank you so much for putting this together, I've immediately subscribed and am looking forward for more content from you sir!
Doom 3 is my favorite of the series
Same here, it's just the greatest Doom game.
I prefer the Doom 3 we ended up getting, however the longer Hell sections with 4 bossed would have been amazing. Seems like a great project for modders to implement this.
I really love the "lived-in" feel you get in these levels, its a significant reason as to why I like this game so much. I did a lot of modding back in the day, especially when looking through the sound files there is a lot of unused stuff or the names of folders and such that also imply some cut content regarding casual pre-invasion interactions.
Would love it if they returned to this formula with new tech, imagine a long drawn out horror game exploding into full blown Doom FPS gameplay at times, returning back to the slow atmospheric style for the player's respite. Similar to the 2005 movie or F.E.A.R..
It just needs to be kept simple: Demons from Hell with survivors trying to survive; not drawn out complex interwoven plots with twists and turns.
The communications and gameplay during the slow sections serving as a means to gain access to supplies and new weapons by navigating and unlocking the UAC facility.
Anyways, amazing video as always, looking forward to more stuff from you.
Would love a return to the more Aliens vibe of Doom. Just a normal, average space marine who, nonetheless, is a tough badass, but still an underdog going up against a threatening, hostile force.
Happy 20th anniversary to Doom 3 - an underrated and severely misunderstood entry in the series. Thanks for this great video!
this game is criminally under liked, sure its not as good as the older and newer dooms but when you push those expectations out of your mind, its deserving of at least a 7 or 8 out of 10
I never get tired of hearing the stories about doom. It was way ahead of its time.
Text-to-speech is getting crazy good. Voice actors are going to be left in the dust indeed.
Left in the dust-for now, maybe not. Good AI voices need good voice actors to train them. And even the best AI voices lack the range of emotion that a voice actor can deliver. But I agree, for simple narration, they are amazing to use.
General Hayden then became Samuel Hayden or Samur in the future
They are two different people assuming general hayden exists
This video got recommended to me randomly and I was so surprised with the production quality of it all. Amazing work at realizing this alternative narrative! I genuinely can’t believe you have so few subscribers if you’re putting out content like this.
This is super well done! Would love to play this version of the game and listening to this video is like watching a documentary.
Thanks for appreciating this game. I love Doom 3. To me, it's still impactful and scary. Playing it in the dark with headphones is almost too much for me to handle!
Excellent presentation! Top notch voices!!
This is intresting. While not entirely doom like (ie lore and more talking of the player) its intresting. Ironically I feel like Eternal style story telling might have been alot like what was imagined for this version of Doom 3.
I always thought that sabaoth was Campbell and not Kelly until I replayed the game after a long time and remembered that Campbell died moments before the fight against sabaoth and he said that it was kelly who became a demon.
Make more Doom 3 content! (And I saw you had a F.E.A.R. intro - looking forward to that as well).
Always nice to see more DooM 3 stuff! Still love this game, going to have to pick up that book...
Here I sit, fighting the darkness of relentless exhaustion as it threatens to pulls me into a restless sleep. I must fight! It's only midnight... but I'm so tired. I can't do this alone- I need motivation!
A notice illuminates my phone screen, a beacon of hope in the darkness. LeChum posted a Doom video? LeChum... what a chum... Yes! This is what I needed! Spin that sucker up, throw it on the big screen, pour another coffee.
Here I sit, steaming mug in hand, rejuvinated and ready to embrace that darkness of another kind. Lifting my cup toward the screen is silent declaration, "Cheers, mate. I should have known you'd have my back."
☕ 🙂
Cringe 😬
Seriously though go to sleep
@@SerfsUp1848 Never! I’ll sleep when I’m dead!
I love the way you do these videos, hopefully it makes more people understand why Doom 3 is so good.
Especially since it's going to turn 20 years old in august.
After playing the game and now hearing this book, I really wonder if the creators of deadspace borrowed from this?
This was a terrific video, love the presentation
It’s my favorite first person shooter of all time. Excited to watch this
I wonder if the guys from Dead Space knew about this, the similarities are outstanding.
What an Interesting story lore of DOOM 3. One of my favorite horror FPS survival game
These lore videos are phenomenal. Love them
that's funny there no cameras there since i took down the commandos with barely abit of trouble.
I can easily see this version of Doom as a movie script honestly
This video is a damn masterpiece..
Again and again I realise that "different" isn't supposed to mean "worse" from the get-go. This definitely isn't "the Doom" we've all known and enjoyed since 1993, so what? A bold shift from guns-blazing power fantasy with a one liner story of "experiment gone wrong" towards sophisticated and sinister plot of pact with the Evil and sacrifices where you are to SURVIVE rather than eradicate anything that moves. Gave me numerous blood chilling moments, I still think Doom3's hell level is the best of them all.
Aaaaand thank you for bringing up this even deeper and richer story!
I mean, one of the OG devs, can't recall who exactly, basically said that if the technology were available at the time, Doom 3 essentially would have been the game they would have made back in the early 90s. This idea that Doom 3 is a complete departure and aberration from the originals is bogus.
@@noneofyourbusiness910 That is true. Doom was always meant to be a horror game. I personally dislike the power fantasy they got in the recent games. If anything i find more admirable the tale of struggle and victory of humans against an unnatural evil imo
I dig the AI voice used when you describe the changes made in the final product. It honestly sounds like the kind of narrator you'd get for an actual documentary.
26:59 left side of screen "Hudda". I'm assuming it's a stand-in for Honda.
The original version somehow has a slower pace but a bit more detailed story while the final game feel a bit more faster pace by simplify the story. I actually kinda like the original version, feel a bit like Doom RPG
When people say "slower pace" I honestly don't get it, the narrative pauses and gameplay should be considered separately when determining If the game is fast pace or not.
I don't think having a dense history would have affected the gameplay drastically, you would have just more cutscenes. Pauses like a loading screen.
12:20 When I modded Doom 3 to let me use the Double Barrel Shotgun from Resurrection of Evil in the main campaign, I actually replaced the shotgun by the dying marine there with the Double Barrel Shotgun. I remember reading this sequence in The Making of Doom 3 and figured I could give it back the original gravitas by dropping the Double Barrel Shotgun there. I did also add another Double Barrel Shotgun in the room where the first Pinky attacks you, since the Pinky is the first enemy that requires two shotgun blasts to take out. Then I replaced one of the shotguns in Hell and Delta 5 with Double Barrel Shotguns for the remaining pickups needed for the campaign.
The mod I used to add the DB Shotgun is CSTDoom3, though that mod added the DB Shotgun in other places. I wanted the DB Shotgun in those specific areas and so modified the map files custom myself.
This is soooo well done, thank you!
This video is great. Thank you for this, these videos are so interesting. I love doom 3 most out of all the doom games. I bought the book 1 year ago because I wanted to explore the lore.
I gotta get this book
Very nice illustration 👍👍👍. Doom 3 is always in discussion whenever the topic of Doom comes into picture. The fear element is the highest in this game compared to all other doom games.
This is sick dude, good job
I wish one day some modding group makes this into a game
I still remember the executable (wrongly called "alpha") was much better, much more survival oriented.
the leaked 2001 prototype?
interesting to hear they had some pretty cool ideas, but also glad that some of them werent implemented. its still really cool to learn all that
and especially how unused ideas are brought to other titles :O
Must say almost wached whole video and this was fantastic version of doom 3 only problem that i Have with this IS IT never were released or Even getting mod version of IT so that IT could Be enjoyed somehow same thing with doom4 1.0 unrelesed
Probably the only parts i am glad was cut are the stealth element and how Swan acts
This might have made me actually like doom 3
I can't believe we haven't had a small open world Doom game, where you can choose dialogue with NPCs. Choose to be an engineer, scientists and Marine. Work your way up forge friendships play cards turbo turkey puncher on your time off. Going to work then back to your barracks in Mars city. As the engineers work being rewiring wires, hazardous trash removal, installing Windows, after getting better and better jobs, you eventually are working on computer screens in Delta, power problems in Delta to volunteering on extra credit..... Awesomeness! If the players a scientist goes from working in the power plant (enpor) monorail station, to shipping and ordering, to the dig sites, eventually alpha labs then of course Delta labs and then volunteering for extra credit awesomeness! Then of course Marine patrolling creepy under ground mars City areas to outside areas, to running security for alpha to going back and forth with your team to extra credit areas (hell of course). But of course the player is applying for these new jobs as they progressed through the game choosing dialogue with characters from the original being your boss or coworkers choosing dialogue that your character is, afraid or into the work. All kinds of stuff, Choose what you want to wear. Would anyone else play a game like this?? Love the video man it was pretty cool! 😎
Doom 3 but done with something like Wolfenstein the New Order's inner monologue would be very interesting
Such an awesome video, im glad i found your channel
Wonder if the use of Hayden was coincidence or not in 2016. Like if they decided to reuse the name for a new character from this.
Hugo Martin actually said, that doom3 is possibly a prequel to the original game, which makes sense now…. What with the marine in this game look like the marine in 2016 and eternal… and it’s possible that he’s traversed through time and multiverse…. 🤔
Hopefully not. Doom 3 should be its own thing, its own take on the Doom formula. No need to retcon it and try to include it into the new Doom canon.
Where did Hugo Martin say this?
I could see these games being connected via a multiverse or there being multiple timelines, though a bunch of retcons would have to happen for Doom 3 to be a prequel; it, like Doom (2016), was a reboot of the series.
The Doom Marine in the original games also looks different from the Doom 3 Marine. And it's been confirmed in Doom Eternal that the Slayer is that original marine
I have now words how it’s cool
To be honest, I would like to see this cancelled story actually re-implemented, possibly by mods for Doom 3. Cause I love when game has character that actually talks and that you can understand, with interesting world, story and great gaming experience. Because, despite how good Doom 2016 and Eternal was, they becoming boring very quickly. Sure, Doom Eternal has some story but it is still the same boomer shooter. Yes, I like boomer shooters, but I don't like playing them too much because, the overdose of games of this kind can cause a burnout and you won't be wanting to play it later down the line or any other game. Cause that is what happened to me few years ago. And to restore my interest to video games I simply looked back at the games that I skipped, and played them. Such games as Constantine The Video Game, Fear 3, Land of the Dead or Conflict series. So yeah, it is actually a good thing to refresh existing series with a game with good story. Thus why I never understood the hate around Doom 3 that I heard from many people. Cause this is underrated game and I would actually like to see it's true sequel but in bigger scale.
So id tried to pull off Half Lude but Doom? Its kinda funny that in 2016 Doom doomguy literally throws away the exposition machine just to kill some demons.
Great video! And awesome presentation.
You're from Québec, too? (according to your name)
Fantastic content keep if the good work
Any chance you do a F.E.A.R series lore ?
These videos are incredible and you deserve many more subscribers! One question - the main voice-over - is that AI or a human narrator?
Really is one of those things that make us ask what if, am i not right?
Great video !
8:38 “he’s right behind me, isn’t he?”
@@CaptainFellowship poor Pinky ^^
Now this is some serious gourmet shit on RUclips