Yes...I know this happens in the comics. It is literally one of the first things I talk about in this video. Right afterwards I say this video 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯'𝘵 have anything to do with the comics. I have gotten way too many comments about this that I sadly need to point this out.
I feel like in the lore, the TF2 heavy wins, because he's quite the badass. And even quite sneaky, as well as very smart. The TFC heavy just seemed kinda impatient and impulsive in comparison, still smart, just not patient.
I understand in an in-game 1v1 TFC Heavy would "win" (Technically not since Heavy has no soul, so he can't die), but Heavy normally would kick his ass. TFC Heavy is so full of himself that any mere distraction will work, and Heavy just needs to get up close to beat him to a pulp.
Just as I think there's no possible topics lefts for TF2 youtubers to cover you come up with this! Very good video, I'm super looking forward to how this series goes
For the TFC sniper, you should mention how his bullet ammo pool was shared and how he could cripple players with leg shots. And for the TFC medic, you should mention the poison/disease mechanic
You know, it's more like TFC medic most comparable with TF2 scout, because TF2 medic is SO different that it actually 2 different classes. Basically TFC medic is what would happen if you take a battle medic and give him speed of scout and a scattergun. And a boston basher with bleeding that can not be deleted or cured in any way except touching resupply. In TF2 every class from TFC would be... Well, not great but ok, except medic, because he would be frickin overpowered, even without grenades, due to how much he would be faster than entire rest of the game.
@@jumpinghunter9152 TFC scout is actually still much faster than TFC medic (I mean that's kind of the point) due to both having conc grenades and TFC scout generally having much faster movement speed. But yeah, TFC medic is still overpowered that it even makes TFC scout redundant.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 scout have spike grenades so it basically can close some bridges and make people go slower But still tfc scout is not good he lacks of double jump and a good damage he is only good to stealin the flag and givin info
Seeing the TFC Heavy and TF2 Heavy compared here shows how much of a different philosophy the TF team had when designing these games. Many TF2 players know that grenades where cut from TF2 due to how they were spammed, but I wasn’t aware of TFC’s armor system until now. It was probably another system that was cut so that the game plays better since it is a more complex system than a plain health pool. Just goes to show how different of games TFC and TF2 are
Well actually there is a mod call pre fortress which grabs a lot of the cut content and adds it to the game and yeah grenades are broken but not by much thanks to the armor system
I wouldn't say different, just better. TFC is busted. Grenades are unfair, the movement is completely broken via bhops, each class is just too powerful, etc. When a multiplayer FPS reaches a point where you need to become an expert in movement glitches to even stand a chance, I'm sorry, but it isn't well designed. Bhops should only exist in singleplayer FPS as speedrunning tricks. Half Life Deathmatch has this problem too, and that's the reason both games are practically dead while TF2 has survived for so long. Balancing the game towards fair fights goes a long way.
@@jh047o And TFC heavy is like more than that since TFC is at 1930 while the timeline where both meet is at 1970, now combine that to TFC Heavy's age at 1930 which definitely not less than 30. We can even see how he looks when TFC heavy is defeated.
@@jh047o Him being 30 at 1930 is like the bare minimum, his artwork in the catch-up comic; he doesn't even look like he's at his 30s-- let alone 20s lol.
TF2 Pyro wins easily. TFC Pyro is just plain bad, and the only decent options she has are weapons that rely on afterburn... which TF2 Pyro is immune to.
@@Duothimir Afterburn stacking via Cannon + Flamethrower and Napalm combo was literally what made Pyro decent in TF. The removal of grenades affected Pyro the most. He is also less stockier than Demoman in TF2 for some reason. Do you even play TF? Edit: Nevermind, it was supposed to be a 1v1, I'm stupid.
Really eager to see where this series goes! I'd love to see the next video be one of the more radically different classes like Medic or Demoman, but pretty much every matchup is going to have some interesting points to bring up. Overall, a good solid video, and its nice to have some new TFC rep on youtube!
@@SquimJim I bet the TFC Medic would win, if it's a 1v1 fight, because TF2 Medic isn't that dangerous without a team whereas the original counterpart is surprisingly deadly even on their own.
@@jackryderproductions1030 I'm pretty sure TFC med would barely survive it because of his medium armour (he would have ~5 HP and no armour by my calculations)
I honestly think that TFC and TF2 are so different that it would be incredibly difficult or even impossible to compare the 2, but you managed to pull it off so great work!
I know this is old but I’m curious why you say this? Considering the complete lack of TFC content out there I’d say it’s a pretty popular opinion but I don’t get it. TF2 has always seemed like they just took TFC, gave it tons of polish, a new art style and way more personality. It’s certainly an upgrade in pretty much every way but they don’t seem very structurally different.
@@cburger4life144grenades, fighting not so realistic at the time, you can always be fairly fighting if not unfairly powerfull with every class, a medic with a shootgun, a heavy with 2 shootguns, like is literally so not similar at all that many original player literally dont want to play the game because "is to idiotic and childish" when it got announce in 2006.
@@cburger4life144 TFC is a completely different game. TF2 leans into the more goofy physics side of things and is less competitive and team focused. Most classes are simple to play and easy to pick up. TFC has a lot more mechanics and features with more complex gameplay. If you ever want to play TFC, it's recommended to play TF2 first, but to not assume that they function the same. Most of the classes are similar in concept but have major differences.
@@crawlinggoose I actually played a TON of TFC back in the day. I sucked, but I loved it. TF2’s art styles never really worked for me. I grew up in the ‘edgy’ 90s and early 2000s so this seemed too childish to me at the time and I never really got past it. It looks nice, and I’m definitely not trying to say it truly is FOR children but it’s not for me either. I have played it though, and despite there being obvious differences between two, I still feel like they’re much more similar than they are different.
@@cburger4life144 I like TFC a lot, but I started out with TF2, so some bias is present. But in concept, yes many of the things between the games are similar.
I think the Valve SPAS 12 is some sort of a Kriss Vector like deal with a two shot burst fire mode. Hell, the TF2 1967 Scout Scattergun was supposed to have a two shot mode.
yeah TFC can throw grenades while firing minigun, which forces TF2 heavy to either spin-down to dodge the blast or just take the extra damage, the grenades really do it for TFC
He can throw em WHILE FIRING? Even if he couldnt, I made a comment saying how Misha would lose in most cases. But having 2 sources of damage like that and forcing the TF2 heavy to dodge as well is gonna make it so damn easy for the TFc heavy.
@@nucleus691 yep and grenades can be cooked before throwing too so it would be like hitting TF2 heavy with a loose cannon as well as the assault cannon, not to mention corner spam to make up for lack of pre revving (which is still very fast anyways)
@@y100900185 TFC players often had a script to automatically drop a grenade on death, so TF2 heavy probably wont walk out alive even if he gets the drop on TFC heavy around a corner or something
Man, I didn't know how much I wanted this series. I especially love the art, the fair & balanced discussion, and the pretend TF2 stats for the TFC weapons. Keep it up!
So the only reason why the TF2 Heavy beat the TFC Heavy in the comics is because the TFC Heavy got cocky and decided to do a melee only fight (and TFC’s melee sucks).
I would so love to see the next episode on the 2 scouts since they both play completely different roles, and im really happy to see more tfc tf2 comparison videos
the tf2 scout is more deathmatchy style gameplay, the TFC one instead, since for the lack of health, is literally "run and capture the point", even the description says that its better to avoid people and go for a control point or a flag, wich btw they are actual flags in TFC
@@potatoweaver4116 Well, in practice; the concept works, he does what he's supposed to do but his capabilities are intentionally narrowed down that his capabilities are limited to what he's supposed to do and can't do anything else.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 in practice it doesn't work because it's boring for the player and other classes like Soldier end up being able to capture the flag better because they can defend themselves. Scout in TFC is useless because he's totally outclassed by Soldier. Scout in TF2 isn't even good at the one thing he's designed for. The idea of a class that basically can't fight back at all isn't a good idea. In TF2 even weaker 1v1 classes like Medic and Spy are very much capable of doing damage and fighting back.
It's interesting how much the unlocks make a TF2 Heavy more powerful, and I can see why they were left out; when your opponent can run away and eat his sandwich, TFC would have a much harder time.
at this point add bhopping too and you just do the entire map 23 times in 4 seconds, this is just how they walk normally, of course if you use these things so you can go at the speed of light in seconds but that was not the point
@@honorguard7616 Nope. Grenade Jumping works for ALL classes, including classes that really shouldn't have it like Heavy or Medic. Rocket Jumping and Sticky Jumping only apply to Demo & Soldier (And Sticky Jumping is practically useless unless you have the Sticky Jumper). Also, I was talking about the bhop as a glitch, it isn't an intended feature
Very underrated, but most games with such a chunkiness are going to be appreciated by a niche group as apposed to mostly everyone because the people that stuck around with it have a much harder time thinking back to the difficulty they had with it in the beginning. This very thing happens to other games, the Sonic franchise being a large contender.
This is an incredibly creative video idea! I would love to see someone turn this into a mod so we could actually see a 1v1 between the TF1 heavy and the TF2 heavy.
Very informative and well-made video. It also provides a unique look into the different designing philosophys of TFC and TF2. Overall a great idea and fantastic execution. However I don't personally like how you limited the TF2 characters to only stock but I can see why you did so considering how many variables that would bring, if possible maybe you could have a little section after declaring the winner of the "fair fight" talking about how allowing different weapons for the TF2 character would/could effect the fight but that might be a bit much so if I wouldn't complain if you didn't. After all this is still a fuckin great vid and concept so I hope you continue to make them. For the next matchup, I would like to see my main Scout being compared to his TFC counterpart.
I can already tell you that TF2 scout would win because the only weapons TFC scout has are the single-barrel shotgun, a nailgun, and caltrops. He really was designed as a scout and only a scout
2:37 I know why it looks exactly like the Half-Life health count, but my headcannon is that Black Mesa loaned some H.E.V. suits to TF Industries. Also, I would give TFC's heavy the win for shotgun.
@@semihozturk8387 nah im pretty sure that the classic sniper can kill a huntsman sniper with 1 Headshot since you could headshot without scooping and it will also knock back TF2 sniper and he can finish him with automatic rifle
@@semihozturk8387 i know but still TFC sniper is really anoyying at close or long range oh yeah if the victim get shot in the feet it would slow him down . Im not saying that the Huntsman sucks but the classic sniper deal more damage.
14:55 It does make sense. Even though we don't see Boss (aka TFC Heavy in the comics) fight Misha with his own forces, I think he would give him a run for his life, even if without the australium. Remember, Misha had the upperhand via the rage of Ludwig's death, and Boss was heavily injured by him, HE WAS STABBED IN THE GUT WITH A BONE SAW, and still he moves like it's nothing. Misha beated him with rage and with Ludwig's distraction. He would have been Dead Meat if Ludwig wasn't there.
That makes me question why you can't use australium in any of the tf games. Seriously, there should be a life extender machine as a cosmetic or weapon. The only thing we have right now is a 3d model of redmond's life extender, which is an easter egg in mann manor.
@@ps-frag On that case, you have human versus animal, not only that, but a human that knows how to deal with his local wildlife. Impressive yes, but also reasonable for him
Same could be said for the original Team Fortress which screams Quake! TF2 also to some extent screams half life 2 (Or maybe that's just me, it has a similar vibe so maybe that's why despite having such a different art style)
I thought this was a really fun and interesting video! And I think regardless of which class is chosen next, it will be just as interesting as this due to the vast changes of everything between the two games. I also think it would be cool see at the end of the series comparing each team's collective synergies against one another; it is a team game after all! Regardless, excellent video! :)
I was hoping to here about one tfc's hardest to master mechanics in this video. Grenade jumping it really can turn the tide of battle especially with a low mobility class like heavy. It takes a lot of health but with skill you can go flying, something the tf2 heavy can only dream of.
I’m interested to see where this series goes! From what little I know of TFC, many of the classes are radically different, so a straightforward 1v1 wouldn’t be an accurate comparison, and I’m interested to see how you work around this!
I’m really curious about how the spy will be handled. Theoretically both can always beat the other, as they aren’t 1v1 direct duelists so they’re optimal play style would make a direct comparison incredibly difficult I feel.
Would love to see this for the spy as I'm interested in seeing how different he is in his original with how he is in the current. That or pyro as it was confirmed later in the tf2 comics the original pyro was a woman which doesn't change anything with this type of fight, or I guess any kind of fight, but is still enough reason to put pyro sooner. Ooh or engineer as I heard a theory that the tfc engie was the tf2s dad so, assuming that's the truth, it could make an Interesting experience
i mean, im pretty sure TFC Engineer is 1. One of the few dead before the comics fight took place, 2. Either unrelated or Engineers grandfather, but not Radigan Conagher (Engis dad)
I don't know why, but while listening to this I was thinking about the show "Deadliest Warrior" and I was expecting an SFM short with those 2 fighting in a tfc/tf2 map. Sounds cool at least. You did well Squim Jim. You raised questions, and that's the best you can do to a fandom.
Just a small thing about before about out a winner play fair if there is no armour then use mod for. 300hp insted that about the Grenades same if the new dont have dont make a compare or whit Thank same force why dont look for the other weapons for Heavy the tfc Heavy dont have SELF heal -1 point if you try to make a video like this stick for a rule insted make up new rules
Ehhhh. Mechanically, agreed. In-universe, TF2 medic would probably have something of a fighting chance, due to also (maybe) having other poisons, such as those put in the syringe guns? Not really sure though
Scout vs Scout sounds interesting. TFC Scout has caltrops to slow down current scout, but current scout has a Double Jump to let him soar above any traps. Grenades obviously aren't much use thanks to Scout's speed. While the Nail Gun gives Classic Scout a range advantage, the nails move so slow that Modern Scout could dodge them pretty much effortlessly. Single Barreled Shotgun also deals much less damage than the Scattergun. Hell, Classic Scout's damage is so low that the TF2 wiki outright says you shouldn't actually try to damage enemies with him and just try to run with the flag.
8:01 If double-barreled shotgun is better at range it gonna be used on medium/long range and can win you many battles if you keep distance. I think TFC is winner here.
Love the Punch-Out music in this video, man! It’s one of my favorite franchises (which I pray comes back) and the Wii version’s soundtrack slaps, so hearing it was a welcome surprise! Great video as well!
Dang. If only Mann Co. gave the Heavy actual armor instead of a knit vest. Even the TFC Scout's light armor would help. I'm currently unsure of who is physically stronger. On the one hand, TF2 Heavy has more health, is slightly faster, can punch harder than a crowbar, and can handle the recoil of a more damaging weapon. On the other hand, TFC heavy moves at about the same speed even when wearing lots of heavy armor.
Small idea to maybe even out the playing field, if TFC Heavy is allowed to use the grenades, TF2 Heavy should be allowed to have one Sandvich with him (yes I know it wouldnt be possible for him to carry both a shotgun and Sandvich in-game, but Im just making this point to even out the loadout so both of them have their melee, a primary weapon, a secondary weapon and a consumable. This could maybe then be used for the matchups of the other classes.)
As someone who's had the odd LAN Party or 2 with TFC, yeah TFC Heavy shuts can shut down chokes very fast and the fact that 32 damage doesn't drop off which means Light Classes like Scouts, Medics, Engineers and Spies cannot push into a choke without being turned into minced meat. Doesn't mean those classes don't have counter play, Engineers definitely can OHKO the heavy with a well-placed EMP grenade, Scouts can Concjump past the heavy, Spies can use their Hallucination grenades(though it'll probably not kill the Heavy), Medics have the hardest time pushing against them still though.
To be fair, back in the days of TFC, players considered Heavy Weapons Guy to be the "noob class" in that it was easiest to kill anyone as HWG because he was OP. That has since shifted to the Pyro. TFC Pyro, however, is going to get absolutely SLAUGHTERED because it was a HORRIBLE class and nobody played it.
TFC probably has better mobility potential, usually valve makes the multiplayer modes of their game much more fast than normal, now i dont know what version of the GLDsource that is for TFC but bhopping and doing all of those things still worked, so yeah take that in consideration when you smack talk TFC
@@babaskarma1981 Better mobility =/= better game. It in fact is worse since it heavily hinders new players. Half Life Deathmatch has the same problem + Tau Jumping, which is even worse. TFC is just a badly designed game because of it's full on difficulty cliff, basically you're either one of the 10 experts or you don't stand a chance, there's a reason why the game's dead lmao Also, bhop isn't even a designed feature, it's just Goldsource being janky af
@@tragedyplustime8271 yeah you are probably right, but also bhopping is not just GLDsource being old and janky, i know it can be frustrating seeing someone fly into you and oneshot you before even seeing him but what can you do about that, the game is not dead for those things, not many people play it becouse its old and why would you play that when you have even a remaster and TF2, anyway, that's what i think about the game, not a really good game like you said, but uuuuh bhopping cool, i guess
Ik we aren't talking about the comics because, we only doing game stats but it still baffles me that TFC Heavy couldn't lay a scratch on TF2 Heavy without the Immortality Machine.
Petition for a mod that makes BLU the TF:C characters Same stats, weapon quirks, grenades, and all To really settle this shit in a -real- virtual scenario
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 what if the Classic can turn into a 75 ammo SMG with bleed on hit(people hate the Natasha, which the Classic would be like as a sniper) when Pressing R with it active? how would that work and would it make the Classic intersting?
I am of the opinion that if grenades, mines and other sorts like various utility items were added into TF2, they should have Gas Passer like stats, without the trash implementation. And yes, the Gas passer would be a Utility item and should be improved.
Yes...I know this happens in the comics. It is literally one of the first things I talk about in this video. Right afterwards I say this video 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯'𝘵 have anything to do with the comics.
I have gotten way too many comments about this that I sadly need to point this out.
this happened in the comics
this happened in the comics
this happened in the comics
The video is actually lore accurate considering heavy would have lost if Classic heavy didn't go into labor. What the hell did I just type.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion wtf lol
"Heavy only has 3 weapons"
His other fist: Sad day for me
I mean its technically not like a knife or a gun lol
i made heavys sandvich in real life and ate i- *minigun sounds*
Ok good one
@Stupidventurers apparently bruh means god
The fists having a coffee break: when will my break ends
I feel like in the lore, the TF2 heavy wins, because he's quite the badass. And even quite sneaky, as well as very smart.
The TFC heavy just seemed kinda impatient and impulsive in comparison, still smart, just not patient.
Yeah id agree
I understand in an in-game 1v1 TFC Heavy would "win" (Technically not since Heavy has no soul, so he can't die), but Heavy normally would kick his ass. TFC Heavy is so full of himself that any mere distraction will work, and Heavy just needs to get up close to beat him to a pulp.
I mean he did beat tfc heavy in the comics after he shot me
TF2 heavy also killed a mother bear with his bare hands
You have to be patient to have a PhD in Russian Literature.
Just as I think there's no possible topics lefts for TF2 youtubers to cover you come up with this! Very good video, I'm super looking forward to how this series goes
I think it's going to devolve into a competition of damage falloff vs higher base damage
Comics kind of covered it
@@Hamantha yea
My thoughts exactly, SquimJim getting creative
Uh- the lore already had tf2 heavy kill tfc heavy
For the TFC sniper, you should mention how his bullet ammo pool was shared and how he could cripple players with leg shots. And for the TFC medic, you should mention the poison/disease mechanic
You know, it's more like TFC medic most comparable with TF2 scout, because TF2 medic is SO different that it actually 2 different classes. Basically TFC medic is what would happen if you take a battle medic and give him speed of scout and a scattergun. And a boston basher with bleeding that can not be deleted or cured in any way except touching resupply. In TF2 every class from TFC would be... Well, not great but ok, except medic, because he would be frickin overpowered, even without grenades, due to how much he would be faster than entire rest of the game.
@@jumpinghunter9152 TFC scout is actually still much faster than TFC medic (I mean that's kind of the point) due to both having conc grenades and TFC scout generally having much faster movement speed.
But yeah, TFC medic is still overpowered that it even makes TFC scout redundant.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 scout have spike grenades so it basically can close some bridges and make people go slower
But still tfc scout is not good he lacks of double jump and a good damage he is only good to stealin the flag and givin info
@@szelski. Agreed classic Scout takes skill to play it. But atleast TFC Scout is not a scunt
@@ben8791 nah he is not a scunt he is just a cp enjoyer
Seeing the TFC Heavy and TF2 Heavy compared here shows how much of a different philosophy the TF team had when designing these games. Many TF2 players know that grenades where cut from TF2 due to how they were spammed, but I wasn’t aware of TFC’s armor system until now. It was probably another system that was cut so that the game plays better since it is a more complex system than a plain health pool.
Just goes to show how different of games TFC and TF2 are
Well actually there is a mod call pre fortress which grabs a lot of the cut content and adds it to the game and yeah grenades are broken but not by much thanks to the armor system
This is a relic of id software FPSs. Both Doom and Quake have percentage armour
@@The_Troid Exactly, a mod. Nothing official.
@@HOTD108_ i never said that is official and sorry mis understud what i said since I'm still learning english
I wouldn't say different, just better.
TFC is busted. Grenades are unfair, the movement is completely broken via bhops, each class is just too powerful, etc. When a multiplayer FPS reaches a point where you need to become an expert in movement glitches to even stand a chance, I'm sorry, but it isn't well designed. Bhops should only exist in singleplayer FPS as speedrunning tricks. Half Life Deathmatch has this problem too, and that's the reason both games are practically dead while TF2 has survived for so long. Balancing the game towards fair fights goes a long way.
From an in-universe perspective, the TF2 Heavy's victory in the comics can be attributed to TFC Heavy being quite physically old by that point.
Plus an enraged TF2 heavy made it worse for the classic.
Heavy is 57 years old, so it is a fair fight
@@jh047o And TFC heavy is like more than that since TFC is at 1930 while the timeline where both meet is at 1970, now combine that to TFC Heavy's age at 1930 which definitely not less than 30.
We can even see how he looks when TFC heavy is defeated.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 that means he is either 70, (if we consider he was 20 at the time of tfc) it is not much of unfair fight
@@jh047o Him being 30 at 1930 is like the bare minimum, his artwork in the catch-up comic; he doesn't even look like he's at his 30s-- let alone 20s lol.
But did we consider that Heavy knows how to use magic.
*"KAPOOTIS CRAPPITUS"*
@@acrux1918 pootis bird is showing a agressive behavor
*"PUCKTOOM-SHEETUS!"*
He didn't consider the sanvich either.
🅿️ O O T I S
Let's see a firefight, put the pyros head to head. Also, love that you can consistently come up with new ideas for series
TF2 Pyro wins easily. TFC Pyro is just plain bad, and the only decent options she has are weapons that rely on afterburn... which TF2 Pyro is immune to.
@@Duothimir Afterburn stacking via Cannon + Flamethrower and Napalm combo was literally what made Pyro decent in TF. The removal of grenades affected Pyro the most. He is also less stockier than Demoman in TF2 for some reason. Do you even play TF?
Edit: Nevermind, it was supposed to be a 1v1, I'm stupid.
@@108___ lmao
@flint2.0
Why wouldn't they change teams? Only reason stickies don't is because of how they need to be manually detonated
First She then he and last person said they for pyro. We are getting all the classifications up in here I'm gonna go with classifying pyro as Fire.
Really eager to see where this series goes! I'd love to see the next video be one of the more radically different classes like Medic or Demoman, but pretty much every matchup is going to have some interesting points to bring up. Overall, a good solid video, and its nice to have some new TFC rep on youtube!
I think the Medics might be the trickiest to compare overall. They're so different from each other!
@@SquimJim I bet the TFC Medic would win, if it's a 1v1 fight, because TF2 Medic isn't that dangerous without a team whereas the original counterpart is surprisingly deadly even on their own.
@@HOTD108_ Agreed. Conc jumping also helps the TFC med a lot
@@sugaryhull9688 UBERSAW RANDOM CRIT
@@jackryderproductions1030 I'm pretty sure TFC med would barely survive it because of his medium armour (he would have ~5 HP and no armour by my calculations)
Virgin TFC heavy:
- Needs a crowbar for melee
- Doesn't even do good with it
Chad TF2 heavy:
- Uses his fists
- Demolishes people
and pow! taunt kill
good point
Finger gun deletes enemy
@@Killerbee4712 people who have ragdolls off
"My fists, they are made of steel!" -Heavy TF2
I honestly think that TFC and TF2 are so different that it would be incredibly difficult or even impossible to compare the 2, but you managed to pull it off so great work!
I know this is old but I’m curious why you say this? Considering the complete lack of TFC content out there I’d say it’s a pretty popular opinion but I don’t get it. TF2 has always seemed like they just took TFC, gave it tons of polish, a new art style and way more personality. It’s certainly an upgrade in pretty much every way but they don’t seem very structurally different.
@@cburger4life144grenades, fighting not so realistic at the time, you can always be fairly fighting if not unfairly powerfull with every class, a medic with a shootgun, a heavy with 2 shootguns, like is literally so not similar at all that many original player literally dont want to play the game because "is to idiotic and childish" when it got announce in 2006.
@@cburger4life144 TFC is a completely different game. TF2 leans into the more goofy physics side of things and is less competitive and team focused. Most classes are simple to play and easy to pick up. TFC has a lot more mechanics and features with more complex gameplay. If you ever want to play TFC, it's recommended to play TF2 first, but to not assume that they function the same. Most of the classes are similar in concept but have major differences.
@@crawlinggoose I actually played a TON of TFC back in the day. I sucked, but I loved it. TF2’s art styles never really worked for me. I grew up in the ‘edgy’ 90s and early 2000s so this seemed too childish to me at the time and I never really got past it. It looks nice, and I’m definitely not trying to say it truly is FOR children but it’s not for me either.
I have played it though, and despite there being obvious differences between two, I still feel like they’re much more similar than they are different.
@@cburger4life144 I like TFC a lot, but I started out with TF2, so some bias is present. But in concept, yes many of the things between the games are similar.
I love how they looked at a spaz and went "Yup thats double barreld"
SKARBRAND HATES MISINTERPRETED GUNS >:[
I think the Valve SPAS 12 is some sort of a Kriss Vector like deal with a two shot burst fire mode.
Hell, the TF2 1967 Scout Scattergun was supposed to have a two shot mode.
Its because the original quake shotgun was double barreled, and they just never changed the name.
yeah TFC can throw grenades while firing minigun, which forces TF2 heavy to either spin-down to dodge the blast or just take the extra damage, the grenades really do it for TFC
He can throw em WHILE FIRING? Even if he couldnt, I made a comment saying how Misha would lose in most cases. But having 2 sources of damage like that and forcing the TF2 heavy to dodge as well is gonna make it so damn easy for the TFc heavy.
So TFC Heavy can basically hold the Assault Cannon with one hand? ok
Yeah but TFC heavy wouldn’t have the time to throw the grenades because TF2 Heavy can kill him in 0.8 seconds
@@nucleus691 yep and grenades can be cooked before throwing too so it would be like hitting TF2 heavy with a loose cannon as well as the assault cannon, not to mention corner spam to make up for lack of pre revving (which is still very fast anyways)
@@y100900185 TFC players often had a script to automatically drop a grenade on death, so TF2 heavy probably wont walk out alive even if he gets the drop on TFC heavy around a corner or something
Man, I didn't know how much I wanted this series. I especially love the art, the fair & balanced discussion, and the pretend TF2 stats for the TFC weapons. Keep it up!
The no dmg fall off on the tfc heavy seels the deal, cuz he can just fight tf2 heavy out of his effective range
Well as long as there is cover tf2 heavy gets better. Tfc still has to connect shots to kill you know
It basically depends on the scenario, both can win in different circumstances on 1v1.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 Keep in mind tfc heavy is smaller hitbox wise
Dont worry, the new heavy will figure out on how to snipe him with the minigun
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So the only reason why the TF2 Heavy beat the TFC Heavy in the comics is because the TFC Heavy got cocky and decided to do a melee only fight (and TFC’s melee sucks).
He also was in his late 80's and bleeding
That was really stupid of him
I would so love to see the next episode on the 2 scouts since they both play completely different roles, and im really happy to see more tfc tf2 comparison videos
the tf2 scout is more deathmatchy style gameplay, the TFC one instead, since for the lack of health, is literally "run and capture the point", even the description says that its better to avoid people and go for a control point or a flag, wich btw they are actual flags in TFC
tfc scout just seems like a horrible concept. a weak class that only caps
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 TFC Scout is horrible. Like I get the idea behind the concept, but in practice it just doesn't work.
@@potatoweaver4116 Well, in practice; the concept works, he does what he's supposed to do but his capabilities are intentionally narrowed down that his capabilities are limited to what he's supposed to do and can't do anything else.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38 in practice it doesn't work because it's boring for the player and other classes like Soldier end up being able to capture the flag better because they can defend themselves. Scout in TFC is useless because he's totally outclassed by Soldier. Scout in TF2 isn't even good at the one thing he's designed for.
The idea of a class that basically can't fight back at all isn't a good idea. In TF2 even weaker 1v1 classes like Medic and Spy are very much capable of doing damage and fighting back.
TFC team in the TF2 universe is an underrated antagonist.
More of this please, it’s amazing!
It's interesting how much the unlocks make a TF2 Heavy more powerful, and I can see why they were left out; when your opponent can run away and eat his sandwich, TFC would have a much harder time.
TF2 Heavy could *try* to run away from TFC Heavy, but TFC Heavy is *fast as fuck* if you allow b-hopping and grenade jumping.
The second banana is a lot better here
For movement, you should've taken into account that heavy along with other classes had grenades. This allows heavy to grenade jump.
at this point add bhopping too and you just do the entire map 23 times in 4 seconds, this is just how they walk normally, of course if you use these things so you can go at the speed of light in seconds but that was not the point
@@babaskarma1981 Glitches don't count, otherwise de might as well take Heavy's infinite health glitch from Jungle Inferno
@@tragedyplustime8271 Soldier loses rocket jumping,engie sentry and demo sticky,as well as medic
The grenades jumps are like those
@@honorguard7616 Nope. Grenade Jumping works for ALL classes, including classes that really shouldn't have it like Heavy or Medic. Rocket Jumping and Sticky Jumping only apply to Demo & Soldier (And Sticky Jumping is practically useless unless you have the Sticky Jumper).
Also, I was talking about the bhop as a glitch, it isn't an intended feature
@@tragedyplustime8271 in TF2 pyro can rocket jump ,similar for medic (be it in two different ways)
"Heavy is the most iconic class in the game"
Wrong. They all are
Love if you covered TFC more, its underrated. Also would love to see the other Classic Mercs in your drawin style, it suits em.
id say it looks unpolished when compared to cs and half life
Very underrated, but most games with such a chunkiness are going to be appreciated by a niche group as apposed to mostly everyone because the people that stuck around with it have a much harder time thinking back to the difficulty they had with it in the beginning. This very thing happens to other games, the Sonic franchise being a large contender.
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As far as I'm concerned, "Ol' assaulty" is the canon name of the assault cannon.
This is an incredibly creative video idea! I would love to see someone turn this into a mod so we could actually see a 1v1 between the TF1 heavy and the TF2 heavy.
Heavy from MTF was the goat cause he was an offensive class
@@franagustin3094what’s MTF?
@@LukaZibar mega team fortress. It was a mod of qwtf
Very informative and well-made video. It also provides a unique look into the different designing philosophys of TFC and TF2. Overall a great idea and fantastic execution.
However I don't personally like how you limited the TF2 characters to only stock but I can see why you did so considering how many variables that would bring, if possible maybe you could have a little section after declaring the winner of the "fair fight" talking about how allowing different weapons for the TF2 character would/could effect the fight but that might be a bit much so if I wouldn't complain if you didn't. After all this is still a fuckin great vid and concept so I hope you continue to make them.
For the next matchup, I would like to see my main Scout being compared to his TFC counterpart.
I can already tell you that TF2 scout would win because the only weapons TFC scout has are the single-barrel shotgun, a nailgun, and caltrops. He really was designed as a scout and only a scout
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Please make more of these! I'm lacking TFC knowledge, and this is really helping me
2:37 I know why it looks exactly like the Half-Life health count, but my headcannon is that Black Mesa loaned some H.E.V. suits to TF Industries.
Also, I would give TFC's heavy the win for shotgun.
The TF2 Sniper would absolutely murder the TFC Sniper.
Just like in the comics.
I dunno. I'm pretty sure the TFC rifle does a lot more damage than the TF2 rifle
@@sugaryhull9688 huntsman: *Are you sure about that?*
@@semihozturk8387 nah im pretty sure that the classic sniper can kill a huntsman sniper with 1 Headshot since you could headshot without scooping and it will also knock back TF2 sniper and he can finish him with automatic rifle
@@ben8791 but huntsman has GIANT HITBOX
@@semihozturk8387 i know but still TFC sniper is really anoyying at close or long range oh yeah if the victim get shot in the feet it would slow him down . Im not saying that the Huntsman sucks but the classic sniper deal more damage.
14:55 It does make sense. Even though we don't see Boss (aka TFC Heavy in the comics) fight Misha with his own forces, I think he would give him a run for his life, even if without the australium. Remember, Misha had the upperhand via the rage of Ludwig's death, and Boss was heavily injured by him, HE WAS STABBED IN THE GUT WITH A BONE SAW, and still he moves like it's nothing. Misha beated him with rage and with Ludwig's distraction. He would have been Dead Meat if Ludwig wasn't there.
That makes me question why you can't use australium in any of the tf games. Seriously, there should be a life extender machine as a cosmetic or weapon. The only thing we have right now is a 3d model of redmond's life extender, which is an easter egg in mann manor.
Dude, just call them Heavy and Medic. It's easier for those who don't know their actual names.
@@courier712 ok, "Heavy would beat Heavy since Heavy showed that he has much more experience than Heavy..." nothing that a Google check couldn't fix.
Necropost, but anyway, Tf2 heavi killed a mother bear with bare hands so he's incredibly powerful
@@ps-frag On that case, you have human versus animal, not only that, but a human that knows how to deal with his local wildlife. Impressive yes, but also reasonable for him
Just look at TFC, look at how much it yells "HALF LIFE" in every aspect 😂
Same could be said for the original Team Fortress which screams Quake!
TF2 also to some extent screams half life 2 (Or maybe that's just me, it has a similar vibe so maybe that's why despite having such a different art style)
I wonder how TFC Medic vs TF2 Medic will go 😈
TFC Engineer v/s TF2 Engineer would be interesting!
I’d love more of this, I’ve been wanting a heavy numbers video comparing completely separate games for a while. Would love more!
We live in a society where fists do more damage than a crowbar
Well, I think we can all agree on the fact tf2 heavy would win against tfc in a melee fight.
He did
@@itexplodes3824 Indeed. Although it wasn’t much of a fight…
@@MrMan-lg6bh because someone was definitively winning the whole way through?
Sad, that even with a crowbar, tf2 heavy wins against tfc heavy
Even if tfc heavy has a better melee weapon he would fail to defend against the heavy stock fist taunt kill
In the next video in this series, i would love to see how the scouts differ from each other
Same
Will TFC Scout get carried by his grenades or will TF2 Scout's double jump and quick shotgun damage be too much for the enemy to handle?
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It's not really comfirmed, we only saw a picture of Jeff giving goggles to a young Dale, maybe he's just his uncle or something
I'd love to see this for Spy. I think that'd be very interesting.
man i remember that TFC spy was pretty janky, so many menus and that weird dead ringer that wasent really a dead ringer aka cloack its just too much
I can see the Hallucination Grenade winning TFC spy a point or two
I thought this was a really fun and interesting video! And I think regardless of which class is chosen next, it will be just as interesting as this due to the vast changes of everything between the two games. I also think it would be cool see at the end of the series comparing each team's collective synergies against one another; it is a team game after all! Regardless, excellent video! :)
TF2 heavy wins in speed till the TFC Heavy learns how too and starts bunny hopping around lol.
I just realized the Family Business is the single barrel shotgun
Well, TF2 Heavy vs. TFC Heavy was a fistfight, and we know that in Medieval Mode, TFC Heavy wouldn't stand a chance.
He was bleeding and in his late 80's + fighting a mad af Mikhail so that wasn't all that fair of a fight
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What I got from this is that the TFC heavy wins because his load-out, while technically weaker, is far more versatile.
Mainly grenades from what I recall
In the 1v1:
TFC Heavy: is winning
TF2 Heavy: oh nooo...
TF2 Heavy: I have an idea! *summons random critz*
I'd say do Demo vs,Demo cause both Classes have interesting weapons. That could factor in who wins
This was great, I especially loved taking the TFC weapons' stats and converting them into TF2 item attributes
It's like two dads brawling it out over which superbowl wins or something idk I don't watch sports
Lol first
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@@Ro_Yoshi I piss
What the hell
@@WooHooLadttv :( Sus
Alternative video name: the red terminator Chad vs. Blue virgene who thinks putting rip off gold in his blood will make him live forever.
I was hoping to here about one tfc's hardest to master mechanics in this video. Grenade jumping it really can turn the tide of battle especially with a low mobility class like heavy. It takes a lot of health but with skill you can go flying, something the tf2 heavy can only dream of.
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@@topminator1667 also pumpkin bombs (bombkin?)
I’m interested to see where this series goes!
From what little I know of TFC, many of the classes are radically different, so a straightforward 1v1 wouldn’t be an accurate comparison, and I’m interested to see how you work around this!
the grenade round was unfair, where’s the cosmetic round?
also what’s the wet streak for synonyms for my name at this point i lost track
The Fashion Round? Good idea.
@@SquimJimtfc spy would win against tf2 spy in that round no doubt
YES, IVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR *YEARS* THANK YOU SO MUCH
nice punch out music! one of my favorite games
Yoo, I'm not gonna lie, I would love to see you talk about more pokemon stuff. I loved your ice type video and can you talk about bug types next?
I’m really curious about how the spy will be handled. Theoretically both can always beat the other, as they aren’t 1v1 direct duelists so they’re optimal play style would make a direct comparison incredibly difficult I feel.
...yanno what?
Someone should make a game thingy where you can pick all 19 Team Fortress classes so we can test it out ourselves.
W for saying 19
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SJ: "[Revving] slows the classic heavy down more than the minigun does."
BHopping: Am I a joke to you?
Would love to see this for the spy as I'm interested in seeing how different he is in his original with how he is in the current. That or pyro as it was confirmed later in the tf2 comics the original pyro was a woman which doesn't change anything with this type of fight, or I guess any kind of fight, but is still enough reason to put pyro sooner. Ooh or engineer as I heard a theory that the tfc engie was the tf2s dad so, assuming that's the truth, it could make an Interesting experience
i mean, im pretty sure TFC Engineer is 1. One of the few dead before the comics fight took place, 2. Either unrelated or Engineers grandfather, but not Radigan Conagher (Engis dad)
@@woobgamer5210 I know nothing on tfc engie, it's merely a rumor I've heard
I don't know why, but while listening to this I was thinking about the show "Deadliest Warrior" and I was expecting an SFM short with those 2 fighting in a tfc/tf2 map.
Sounds cool at least. You did well Squim Jim. You raised questions, and that's the best you can do to a fandom.
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Just a small thing about before about out a winner play fair if there is no armour then use mod for. 300hp insted that about the Grenades same if the new dont have dont make a compare or whit Thank same force why dont look for the other weapons for Heavy the tfc Heavy dont have SELF heal -1 point if you try to make a video like this stick for a rule insted make up new rules
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NOW HOLD ON A MINUTE! YOU FORGOT RANDOM CRITS! I DONT REMEMBER TFC HAVING RANDOM CRITS! IN THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO TF2 heavy WOULD WIN!
I want to see scout next tho.
If he ever gets to classic Medic vs. modern Medic, Classic wins. Classic is terrifying with his neurotoxin.
Ehhhh. Mechanically, agreed. In-universe, TF2 medic would probably have something of a fighting chance, due to also (maybe) having other poisons, such as those put in the syringe guns? Not really sure though
Firing shotgun shells out of a minigun is the most terrifying thing I think you can do with a gun
Honestly, I've heard Team Fortress 2 so much to the point to where "Team Fortress" just sounds completely wrong... You need the 2 at the end...
With heavy’s2 icon being cur off at the base of his arm I like to imagine he just flipping off the tfc heavy 😂
Well, there’s also taunt kills, like heavy’s 500 HU finger gun.
Didn't Tf2 Heavy do his best Bane impression with Classic HWG's spine?
Scout vs Scout sounds interesting.
TFC Scout has caltrops to slow down current scout, but current scout has a Double Jump to let him soar above any traps. Grenades obviously aren't much use thanks to Scout's speed.
While the Nail Gun gives Classic Scout a range advantage, the nails move so slow that Modern Scout could dodge them pretty much effortlessly. Single Barreled Shotgun also deals much less damage than the Scattergun. Hell, Classic Scout's damage is so low that the TF2 wiki outright says you shouldn't actually try to damage enemies with him and just try to run with the flag.
Overall; both classes are designed for completely different purpose so TF2 Scout wins due to TFC Scout not intended for direct combat at all.
8:01 If double-barreled shotgun is better at range it gonna be used on medium/long range and can win you many battles if you keep distance. I think TFC is winner here.
It would be cool to see the assault cannon as a weapon in TF2, faster spin up but can’t be pre-spun would be really interesting.
I doubt it would make a big difference but the TFC Assault canon clearly has a GIGANTIC spread which also limits its ranged capabilities
Love the Punch-Out music in this video, man! It’s one of my favorite franchises (which I pray comes back) and the Wii version’s soundtrack slaps, so hearing it was a welcome surprise! Great video as well!
Dang. If only Mann Co. gave the Heavy actual armor instead of a knit vest. Even the TFC Scout's light armor would help.
I'm currently unsure of who is physically stronger. On the one hand, TF2 Heavy has more health, is slightly faster, can punch harder than a crowbar, and can handle the recoil of a more damaging weapon. On the other hand, TFC heavy moves at about the same speed even when wearing lots of heavy armor.
Imagine combining the TF2 classes with their TFC counterparts
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Small idea to maybe even out the playing field, if TFC Heavy is allowed to use the grenades, TF2 Heavy should be allowed to have one Sandvich with him (yes I know it wouldnt be possible for him to carry both a shotgun and Sandvich in-game, but Im just making this point to even out the loadout so both of them have their melee, a primary weapon, a secondary weapon and a consumable. This could maybe then be used for the matchups of the other classes.)
Grenades would love that
As someone who's had the odd LAN Party or 2 with TFC, yeah TFC Heavy shuts can shut down chokes very fast and the fact that 32 damage doesn't drop off which means Light Classes like Scouts, Medics, Engineers and Spies cannot push into a choke without being turned into minced meat.
Doesn't mean those classes don't have counter play, Engineers definitely can OHKO the heavy with a well-placed EMP grenade, Scouts can Concjump past the heavy, Spies can use their Hallucination grenades(though it'll probably not kill the Heavy), Medics have the hardest time pushing against them still though.
Those EMP grenades are bloody powerful. Most of my deaths as soldier, heavy, and demo have been to those damn things
"It actually came before team fortress 2" Wow now I know why there's a 2 next to the name
how could you forget the most important weapon?!?! THE sandvich! its heavies iconic secondary and it heals him compleatly
He said in the video he was only covering stock weapons, and the sandvich is not a stock weapon.
@@Xhepyxopila and even if he did count it, the banana would be better then the sandvich in this case because it’s a 1v1.
To be fair, back in the days of TFC, players considered Heavy Weapons Guy to be the "noob class" in that it was easiest to kill anyone as HWG because he was OP.
That has since shifted to the Pyro. TFC Pyro, however, is going to get absolutely SLAUGHTERED because it was a HORRIBLE class and nobody played it.
Ol' Assault-y is my spirit animal.
This video was made 10x better cause the punch out soundtrack. Really liked using mr.sandmans theme for the final battle
TFC and TF2 are so similar, yet so different games. I guess the improvements in TF2 are just too massive, hence why TFC is kinda ignored.
TFC probably has better mobility potential, usually valve makes the multiplayer modes of their game much more fast than normal, now i dont know what version of the GLDsource that is for TFC but bhopping and doing all of those things still worked, so yeah take that in consideration when you smack talk TFC
@@babaskarma1981 Better mobility =/= better game. It in fact is worse since it heavily hinders new players. Half Life Deathmatch has the same problem + Tau Jumping, which is even worse.
TFC is just a badly designed game because of it's full on difficulty cliff, basically you're either one of the 10 experts or you don't stand a chance, there's a reason why the game's dead lmao
Also, bhop isn't even a designed feature, it's just Goldsource being janky af
@@tragedyplustime8271 yeah you are probably right, but also bhopping is not just GLDsource being old and janky, i know it can be frustrating seeing someone fly into you and oneshot you before even seeing him but what can you do about that, the game is not dead for those things, not many people play it becouse its old and why would you play that when you have even a remaster and TF2, anyway, that's what i think about the game, not a really good game like you said, but uuuuh bhopping cool, i guess
Thanks for putting Punch Out 2009 ost SquimJim always wanted to play this game.
Punished Breakfast, a man denied his oats
Ik we aren't talking about the comics because, we only doing game stats but it still baffles me that TFC Heavy couldn't lay a scratch on TF2 Heavy without the Immortality Machine.
Yo I just realized that Breakfast used Punch Out themes as bg music quite fitting for a big dude
Petition for a mod that makes BLU the TF:C characters
Same stats, weapon quirks, grenades, and all
To really settle this shit in a -real- virtual scenario
Demo vs demo would be fun for the grenades alone
in a lore comic tf2 heavy beat the crap out of classic heavy in a mele fight.
Sneaking in a Punch Out theme in the background
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now i want Heavy's TFC weapons being officially added to TF2 with their own unique stats based on their original counterpart (or at least reskins)
just like the classic, but good
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 what if the Classic can turn into a 75 ammo SMG with bleed on hit(people hate the Natasha, which the Classic would be like as a sniper) when Pressing R with it active?
how would that work and would it make the Classic intersting?
i want the tfc grenades added to tf2 as a throwable wepon for the heavy in tf2
I am of the opinion that if grenades, mines and other sorts like various utility items were added into TF2, they should have Gas Passer like stats, without the trash implementation. And yes, the Gas passer would be a Utility item and should be improved.
hm. well then
Conc jumping was always a nightmare
i like how the tf2 heavy's cosmetics are a mimic of tfc heavy's outfit
Heavy gets the better medical attention because he respects his medic
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~Demo
Keep this going, I want to see them all.
Showdown Taunt Kill: *Hmm...*