Dennis Rader: The BTK Killer
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen you become speechless from an outcome. It’ll be okay. By exposing and commenting on unacceptable behavior,you may let one watching know thus and he/she may seek help. BTK Narcissist.
BTK remains alive, serving 10 life sentences. He & others like him are why the death penalty exists and must be used, imo. Serial killers & serial sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated.
You must be light on your feet Simon- there's very little wear on those soles for three years of use
actually great shoes, especially if you like to hike or walk after the rain. But after wearing the same pair for about 2 years, mine stink like shit. Time for a new pair I guess.
@@2lefThumbs He’s wearing a pair just like the new
display pair for closure.
I think mythologising the serial killer as an evil genius is less scary than admitting that even a somewhat dim individual can get away with it for decades. Evil geniuses are rare, dim witted psychos are dime a dozen.
This. The idea that some random psycho could murder you and escape justice is far more terrifying than the idea that occasionally geniuses go on killing sprees
Where did you get this idea from? Perhaps it was the video? As Simon said exactly this.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
if he had been killing today he would have been caught much sooner.
Can confirm. Most of the dumb people I've met tend to be way more aggressive than the smarter people I've met
I was born and raised in Wichita Kansas. BTK took his last victim from my neighborhood. It was so strange at the time since I was only six, but I remember how the attitude visible changed. It wasn't neighbors suspecting neighbors, it was neighbors watching each others houses, keeping an eye on local kids essentially just protecting everyone. It's odd to me now that it is history now.
My grandparents lived not too far from the Otero family. They had ADT install a home security system not long afterwards. Guess who the tech was? I'll never forget his creepy face, as I was visiting them as per usual that summer. Shortly after my grandmother said a man was watching me sunbathe in the backyard from a pickup truck. I slept with the light on every night in terror. He was probably disappointed when I abruptly disappeared. I returned home in another town to attend high school in the fall....
Congratulations! You are now officially the third most famous person that Simon knows of from Wichita.
Quite an achievement if you ask me.
I'm a Kansas man myself. Although I'm from Topeka, It seemed to effect the whole state. I was a teen when he was caught, and you're right about everyone being skeptical about each other. Obviously people murder across the U.S., but it's rare to see one as fucked up as this in a pretty friendly state like Kansas.
@@viralnorn9173 You "returned home in another town". How does that work?
@@viralnorn9173 omg I'm so glad you escaped!
"I'm a brilliant serial killer! No one understands my genius!"
"Hey police, if I send you a floppy disk, you can't trace it, right?"
Absolute madlad.
😅🤣😅 so true 'if I kill people and you find out we're cool right?' 😎
He did that on purpose
Did you know that his legal team ended up with PTSD. It turns out hanging out with psychopaths can cause harm for normal peoples. Listening to somebody who appears normal casually talking about killing and torturing can fuck with your head.
huh...I guess lawyers aren't psychopaths, after all!
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Some lawyers, not all.
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim who actually thinks lawyers are psychopaths anyway? Most lawyers are regular people and are a pretty vital part of the justice system. Without lawyers there would be no "due process"
@@sarahamira5732I assume people just think that they would have to be psychopaths to defend people like child abusers or serial killers who are obviously guilty, but I understand the need for due process
*continues listening to an outwarldy sane man talk about the BTK killer after reading your comment.*
To add on to Simon's tangent, the difference between a kink and torturing animals is that animals can't consent.
Fun challenge: what do you call it if someone is sexually aroused by eating meat?
This is a terrible argument.
Animals also can’t consent to being killed and eaten. We do that…
“Kink” and animal torture are both bad, because torturing people and torturing animals is disordered, regardless of what the other party has to say about it.
Can't consent AND can experience agony and utter terror. Facts like these having to be spelled out horrify me to no end. Just because animals can't have a conversation or do algebra apparently makes some people think they FEEL less than humans.
@@audreymuzingo933 seriously I'm curious how you would answer the meat question.
@@superbroncgt5502 Counterpoint: We must consume organic material to survive, making the slaughtering of the living for food a biological necessity, meaning that operating a slaughterhouse is on a far lesser level of immorality then slaughtering a living organism for pleasure (and both a far cry from passively engaging in a system of cruelty and animal slaughter because you need to eat and meat is tasty).
Hearing about Kevin fighting the attacker, being shot in the face, continueing to fight with the guy and try to wrestle his gun from him, get shot in the face AGAIN and managing to still escape is really incredible. The whole ordeal is no doubt pretty traumatising for him and I can't imagine how he must feel knowing he fought like hell and got away when others were not as fortunate. I hope he at least found comfort in the fact his escape helped to catch the guy who did all this.
The sad part about it is actually hit escape had nearly nothing to do with BTK's capture... if BTK wasn't dumb enough to trust advice from police, he probably would still be at large.
That fight definitely came from familial love. I can’t imagine what he felt when he learned his sister didn’t survive
"a stubborn enough person can survive just about anything"
My now ex-wife once told me that even though this guy was arrested, that she thought I was the real BTK killer. He only evidence was that I moved from the midwest (over 300 miles away from Kansas) in 1992...a year after his 1991 victim.
Ironically, two years later, she attacked me while I was sleeping. It was brought on by her own psychosis.
His entire in court confession is available on RUclips now. I would highly recommend it to anyone. It runs about an hour, and the audio has a lot of interference at times. But it's crazy to see him confess to his crimes with all of the emotion of someone reading a grocery list.
Agreed, he has little to no affect. Eerily calm. Creepy stuff.
I don't know, he has the slightest hint of remorse at points, as one might for purchasing the wrong type of beans off of said list
I guess that's a psychopath for you 😖😖😖
The tone of voice was the creepiest part of the the confession.
He actually seems proud of himself rather than ashamed or embarrassed. He holds his head up high with a small smirk on his face. He definitely loves the attention; he gets to be the only one who knows the information that everyone wants to know. That makes him the smartest person in the room.
Dude, I would love a episode about Unabomber. I think he would be perfect for the casual criminalist.
He already did one... look in his log of shows...great as usual
He did! On multiple channels... Mega Projects showcasing the hunt, and BioGraphics. But a new take on it is always awesome
I want to see Unabomber on Casual Criminalist
Other episodes Simon have done on him are like 20 minutes long, I want a long episode complete with Simon commentary
I WOULD be interested in that, except I just watched the whole 4-part documentary on Netflix 'Unabomber In His Own Words'. It was so well done, I don't think there's any way 'Fact Boy' (bless his heart) could do it any justice by comparison.
I think Simon's Big Brain malfunctioned there again.
Simon: Ooh! Maybe there should be an episode on the Unabomber! ...But is he True Crime enough?
Simon... You have heist episodes. The last time I checked, one man's anti-technology terrorist campaign is still a crime when he killed multiple people. I'm pretty sure nobody will question his criminality if there's an episode.
Also... Kaczynski is fascinating. I've seen Unabomber in his own words but I'd still like an episode on him.
Simon is like that friend who knows quite a bit of useless information, but he's HILARIOUS!
Nice Bro.
Ah yes that's a very common friend type
Thanks :)
@@TheCasualCriminalist you are no longer simon whistler
you are now M A X P O W E R T H R U S T
Simon, my grandma worked in a county jail and there was a homeless man who would commit some petty crime every fall so he could spend the winter in jail. For some people, three hots and a cot is better than the life they live outside.
Yep, definitely. And some people have spent so long inside that when they go back into society they just cant handle being a "normal person", they've been fully institutionalized. And some commit crimes because they simply wouldnt do well on the outside.
Yes here too but RIP Coxy
My wife used to work at our county jail and now works at a local hospital, and this is an exceptionally common thing for some homeless to do in places where it's gets too cold in the winter to safely live outside. I live in a relatively small town/city and there's multiple folks here who do this. And honestly, can anyone really blame them? If you've already got a record and been to jail then there's really nothing to lose. It's time for America to tackle our homelessness problem.
Yes that is common practice but to confess to something that will undoubtedly give you a life sentence is a whole different story. On a side note, I spent a day or two in various jails in my 20s for drinking offenses and I can confirm there is 0 hots and you're luck to get a cot. In the drunk tank you are lucky if they give you a blanket. So it's basically no hots or a cot but a roof over head and you're not freezing to death or getting rained on. Everything else is exactly like sleeping on the sidewalk though eating out of trash cans is probably a lot better than jail food.
@@bradsanders407 The drunk tank/holding cells and actual county jails are generally different things though. We're not talking about homeless folks getting themselves locked up for a night or two, we're talking about them intentionally getting themselves arrested and locked up for several months to avoid the harshness of living on the streets in the winter.
Kinda wish you would have included the time his wife read something about him in the paper, looked over and said: "this guy mispells that word like you do".
Correct and in Dennis own words said that was the first time he thought he was going to have to kill his wife
Frightening!
A few things to add -
I live in Wichita, KS and we all remember when this guy was finally arrested.
Definitely not a bright man and it’s unfortunate that he was able to hide in plain sight for several years.
The surviving family member of the Otero family, Charlie Otero, travels around doing speaking engagements. He also has been on documentaries talking about what happened to his family.
We see him out and about occasionally.
I’m also a Wichita Indian, our tribal reservation is located in Anadarko, OK.
You got some of it correct but I think instead of the state of Arkansas, you’re thinking of the Arkansas River that runs through Kansas and Arkansas City (Ark City) which is in Kansas.
They found items and evidence that our tribe also had inhabited Ark City as well as Wichita and mostly around the river.
Great episode!
Wow, incredible!!! Thank you so much for sharing!
And Charlie Otero is an absolute badass.
P.S. I hope that BTK's daughter was able to leave town and move on with her life, because it must also have been traumatizing for her.
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim Charlie Otero is an incredible human being. Every time I see him in a documentary I'm amazed by his strength and resilience.
I moved down here the fall he became active again, leaving dead drops for the cops to find. I hadn't heard of him before then, and it wasn't exactly the best introduction to living in a large city after living in the country for most of my life, but I'm glad he was caught not long after. I hope the families of those affected by him can at least rest better knowing he can't hurt anyone else.
I imagine the mythologizing of serial killers is also in part because thinking that the killer is exceptional is a less frightening explanation than the police being incompetent and/or indifferent.
or that he could be a completely normal person you nominated and voted for Church President and has no indications of being a serial killer. It's how we (average normal human) can imagine staying safe in society by believing such myths that criminals would be easy to spot, behave differently, dress differently, etc. and now that I know the crime rates for certain things I am fairly paranoid about people and my kids and I suggest you do the same. Criminals do not dress or act different. They get away with things by blending in and acting normal. . .until they don't and they don't let others see that part of them. A task force of that size of PD at that time was a massive expense so they did care about getting the guy. We as a society don't understand that criminals don't usually stick out like we expect them to or movies make them seem to be.
thats what i thought. if the killers such a bumbling idiot, the police "should" have caught them a lot sooner than a decade/several decades. but if theyre a genius who "outsmarted" the police, people tend to give shitty police work a pass. im not so sure on this case but DEFINITELY for some others
This shit would never happen if instead of calling them cool mysterious shit like "Zodiac Killer" or "Bind Torture Killer" they called them "Emotionless poopface killer" or "Porridge Brain Killer" they wouldn't do this shit
The best description I've ever heard about how memory is inherently unreliable is as such:
Each time you remember something, you're not actually remembering the initial event but rather the last time you remembered that memory. And with each recollection your brain makes small edits to the memory, trimming what it sees as unnecessary detail and emphasizing or even embellishing that which it sees as important. And so, like a game of telephone you play as a kid, which each reliving of the memory the actual "truth" of the situation gets more and more distorted, potentially even to the point where it's an entirely different memory from anyone else that was at the same event. I also feel like I heard this description on this show at some point, I feel like recently, but it really stuck with me
Not true dip into your memory w&&k bank and you’ll debunk your thesis lad
I'm glad your writer took the direction he did when characterizing Rader. The genius narrative has never sat well with me. What genius asks the police if it's safe to send a disk, then only uses it to say a useless message that doesn't even add to the taunting of the police? It is so stupid, it makes no sense, and I've always explained it by him just thinking he was invincible, which may have been true, but come on
Simon LOVES to shit on cops like he could solve the mystery of which of his cum stains ate one extra cookie from the cookie jar. BTK massively self-owned at the end, but his technique was pretty good before he got busted.
A Liberal Arts Degree Arsehole like Simon saying "dude who got away with multiple murders for decades is an idiot because his grammar and spelling was bad" reeks of a privileged, sheltered, b*tch, douche who has no idea what he's talking about.
He also doesn't seem like a dimwit. His writing suggests that more than likely he was dyslexic. He was able to finish college and had a few jobs that required a bit of intelligence. His constant job changes are common among people with ADHD. The way he would ramble on and on is also indicative of someone with ADHD. It's doubtful that he had a low IQ.
Try not to be too judgemental of the infamous disk incident. It was a dumb decision but not indicative of raders intelligence.
We must when analysing history try not to apply what's simple and logical in 2022 to people who's criminal 'Prime' happened in the 70s and 80s. Rader couldn't foresee technology upgrades, criminology advancements and information sharing. Remember he only had the system in front of him and he thrived in that world not this one.
I'm not saying Rader was a genius but he was smart enough like other serial killers of the era to work around policing at the time. Before computers and DNA
Great video as always. I have some suggestions for you for other videos:
-Werner Ferrari: Switzerlands most feared Serial Killer
-Nils Högl: German nurse who murdered a lot of people
-Norbert Pöhlke: The hammermurder
-Marc Dutroux: Belgiums most famous serial killer
-Garry Ridgeway: The green river killer
-And maybe an Episode on the LISK
Just because this was already a list: Josef Frizl. Austrian man who kept his daughter imprisoned in the basement and sexually abused her for 24 years.
@@trishapellis Yup very good addition. And if we are talking about Austrian cases we might add the case of Jack Unterweger. A Serial killer thought to be completely reformed and he then went out and killed again
Kathryn and Kevin Bright, the way they fought for their lives. Such courage. Absolute legends.
I remember reading an article about serial killers that said that, in general, they're not smarter than average. It's just that they spend all their time thinking about killing. If they shop for a vehicle, they think about what kind of vehicle would facilitate a murder. If they look for a job, they think about how they could use their job to get victims, etc. They seem like super predators because they spend so much of their waking time thinking about being predators.
Simon: Anyone who can switch between different people are a but pyscho
Also Simon : Brain Blaze is a thing
I switch between different personalities all the time. When I am in line at a store I don't immediately murder everyone but in a video game? Yeah all bets are off.
The word you were looking for was escalation when it is negative progression, particularly with serial killers. Still at the beginning so you may have remembered later.
Jen as a cat filing away at her nails is exactly how I picture her. A sassy cat who can't believe the things Simon says so she just rolls her eyes.
I think the reason that serial killers get away with so many murders before getting caught, even when they’re stupid, is because most go after strangers with no connection to them so trying to find a suspect in cases like that is super hard as opposed to most murders which are committed by people known to the victim.
I love that Simon loves Vessi shoes so much, is sponsored by them, and still just wears the same pair for two years.
I have had a pair of Vessi's for about a year and a half and despite the interior wearing a bit (my feet kill shoes), they are still wearable and waterproof. Simon's love of this brand is not without merit. 👍🏻
@@RHCole This is great to know. I've been considering getting a pair.
@@Nobodyety Same! I'm really thinking about it.
I just roll ducktape around my feet
This madman blew up my hometown for a long time. All us babysitters were scared silly. Really dig the spin you put on your storytelling. Outstanding.
Just what I need today, another great video from Simon and Co.. If you guys ever need some ideas for future videos, I made a list of people that I would love to see some content made on. Thanks for all the great work. The list is below. I had to add a few Irish people in there that people may not have heard of.
Grace O'Malley - The Pirate Queen of Ireland.
David Parker Ray - American serial killer.
Michael Collins - Irish soldier, revolutionary and politician.
Ranulph Fiennes - British Adventurer and all-round badass.
Big Lurch - American cannibal rapper.
Constance Markievicz - Irish politician, revolutionary and suffragist, the first woman elected to the Westminster Parliment.
Nora Anne Quoirin - Irish citizen who aged 15, went missing on holidays with her family in Malaysia, her body was found 9 days later just 2 km from where her family was staying. The details of the story just don't add up. I would love to see you and your teams take on this story.
Ernest Shackleton - Anglo-Irish Antartic Explorer.
Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Soviet sniper during World War 2 with over 300 confirmed kills.
Chiune Sugihara - Japanese diplomat who served as vice-consul for Japanese Empire in Lithuania during World War 2, he helped thousands of Jews flee Europe by issuing transit visas to them so that they could travel through Japanese territory.
Carlos Hathcock - United States Marine Corps Sniper during The Vietnam War.
Juan Pujol Garcia - Spanish spy who acted as a double agent loyal to Great Britain against Nazi Germany during World War 2.
Witold Pilecki - Polish underground resistance soldier, World War 2 concentration camp resistance leader.
Baron von Steuben - Prussian officer and US Continental army general.
Roman von Ungern-Sternberg - Austrian anti-communist general.
Noor Inayat Khan - British resistance agent in France during World War 2.
Samuel Little - American serial killer.
Yang Xinhai - Chinese serial killer and rapist.
Irina Gaidamachuk - Russian serial killer.
Pedro Rodrigues Filho - Brazilian serial killer. He kills 47 people while in prison but was released in 2018.
The United Bank Murders - Unsolved bank robbery and murder from 1991.
The Isdal Woman - A woman found burned to death in Ice Valley in Norway in 1970. Her things, including cosmetics and wigs and coded notebook entries, were found at a rail station. Police discovered that she had stayed at many hotels around Norway and had multiple fake passports. She was never identified.
The USS Cyclops Disappearance - A US Navy ship vanished without a trace with over 300 men on board in the Bermuda Triangle in 1918, two of her sister ships also vanished on the same route in the 1940s.
Belle Gunness - A serial killer who buried dozens of her victims in her backyard before faking her death and seemingly disappearing without a trace.
The Head With No Body And No Answers - An unidentified woman was found embalmed, decapitated and had rubber balls in her eye sockets, her head was found in 2014 by a young boy returning home from school.
The Mystery of Room 1046 - In January 1935, a young man checked into Room 1046 of the Hotel President in Kansas City, Missouri under the name "Roland T. Owen." Two days later, Owen was found naked inside his blood-soaked room. Before he passed out, he claimed that his injury was due to having fallen against the bathtub. It must have been one hell of a fall, because he'd also been tied up, beaten, strangled, and stabbed. On the way to the hospital, he succumbed to his injuries.
Authorities immediately began to suspect that Owen hadn't simply fallen over -- in addition to his wounds, every single item that had belonged to him had been stolen from the room, including the clothing from his body. And on numerous occasions, Owen had been heard speaking or arguing with an unidentified man who he kept referring to as "Don."
Not too surprisingly, "Roland T. Owen" turned out to be a fake name, which meant that the police actually wound up with less information than they had in the beginning, which is not the way that investigations are supposed to work. The "Mystery of Room No. 1046" turned out to be a real head scratcher.
Given that nobody could figure out who the victim was, plans were made to bury him cheaply in an anonymous grave. But shortly after this plan was announced by the press, the authorities received an anonymous phone call from someone offering to pay for a proper funeral in a regular cemetery. As promised, money soon arrived in the mail, along with a bouquet of roses and a card signed "Love forever -- Louise."
The cops staked out the funeral in case the anonymous benefactor made an appearance, but of course, nobody ever did. It wasn't until a year and a half later that a woman from Birmingham, Alabama, saw a photo of "Owen" in the paper and immediately identified him as her long-lost brother, Artemus Ogletree.
Ogletree's family had not seen him since he left home -- a year before he died. However, they later received three typewritten letters from him, dated after his death. Now, his family hadn't learned of his demise yet, but they found the letters suspicious all the same, because Artemus didn't know how to type. Finally, Mrs. Ogletree got a phone call from a man calling himself "Jordan" who told her that Artemus had gotten married to a wealthy woman in Egypt. And that was the last she heard about her son, until she discovered he'd been long dead in a hotel room in Kansas City.
That is a long list. Facts boi should get on it.. upvoted!
And now I have to stop myself from looking into these in hopes he covers them.
If you're going to reccomend the Japanese politician that saved people from the Nazis, an interesting contrasting recommendation I'll give is the Nazi envoy to Japan that saved numerous Chinese civilians from the Rape Of Nanking and the innumerable atrocities commited there in.
I gotta add the Bardstown murders/disappearances. It’s a very small town with 5 unsolved murders over the course of 3 years. A police officer, a mother and daughter, a young woman, and the young woman’s father. I’m actually from Bardstown, and I’d love to hear what Simon thinks. We’ve had the FBI in town twice, and nothing. Everyone in town thinks that the boyfriend of the young woman is suspicious, but the police haven’t been able to prosecute.
Dude that a great list!! It’s a good job Simon collects writers in his basement, he’s gonna need them all at their typewriters for the next year… ah well, Danny can keep them company (and crack that whip!) 😂
7:55 - Chapter 1 - The theory of dangerousness
16:30 - Mid roll ads
19:35 - Chapter 2 - The early murders
32:10 - Chapter 3 - A long clean run
45:05 - Chapter 4 - The world most satisfying own goal
52:00 - Dismembered appendices
Suggestion for a future episode: David Parker Ray aka The Toybox killer!
Colorful case. Amazing the shit you could get away with before the internet was everywhere.
I lived in NM at the time. The idea that they didn’t locate bodies gives me the creeps. The water in Elephant Butte Lake (where he was working) is dropping pretty drastically due to the ongoing drought. I keep waiting to hear that they discovered a bunch of skeletons. He was a true monster.
Would love a video on Gary Ridgeway, better know as the Green River Killer. I grew up in the area he operated in and remember it being a big deal when they arrested him. Was a real shock to the community.
Been watching a few casual criminalist now and I luv how it always starts with Simon getting censored whenever he swears and ends with zero censoring.
My psychology professor did a class on criminal psychology. I remember him talking about how a psychopath views the world around them. Rader uses different words to describe himself and his actions. Minotaur, Factor X, and of course, referring to his victims as projects. This shows his attempt to detach or even downplay his involvement. My professor said it best when it comes to psychopaths of all kinds. “These people view the world as their toy box, and every living person is just a toy to them”.
Eldest child syndrome basically works like this: When you're alone, you get all your parents' attention, for however many of few years that is. Then, another child is born. By this time, you're generally about 2 years old or older - perhaps not yet capable of making your own sandwiches for school, but capable of sitting in front of the tv for a few hours without killing yourself or crying about something. If you need to go potty, you can generally do everything up until the part where you need to wipe. Your new sibling, meanwhile, is a baby - can't do anything themselves, can't be left alone for a second, and will cry at any time of day for anything it wants or needs. Babies, in other words, require a lot more attention from parents than the older child.
From there, by the time your younger sibling can go potty, you can make your own sandwiches. When your younger sibling reaches that point, you can ride a bike. All the while, the younger child will just truly and sincerely need more attention from the parents than the elder, will need help for things that the elder child doesn't need help with anymore. And all the while, the parents will be totally frazzled with lack of sleep, lack of money, and lack of free time, because between work, house chores and other necessary errands, and all the attention the youngest child needs... you, the parent, have no time nor energy left. So when the eldest child - the one who the parents firmly think of by now as the one who doesn't need help pooping - tries to get attention, it is hard for the parents to really be involved, especially while the youngest child is still a baby.
The result of this is that, while the baby is still a baby, the eldest child is forced to keep themselves busy and not ask for too much from the parents, because those don't always respond well to being called on. The eldest child, then, learns to be quiet and not ask for attention from anyone, often leading to that child being more quiet, responsible and serious even when the younger sibling is old enough to cycle to school on their own. It immediately also leads to the younger sibling developing what is known as youngest child syndrome, where youngest siblings are more social, more outgoing, and also less capable of being alone because they never needed to be - their parents always had all their attention on them. Unless the parents are really good at balancing, you easily get a dynamic where the eldest - who is already perceived as the more capable and responsible of the two - is also forced to be a higher achiever because a) they're the first to reach every age, so all the parents' hopes and dreams rest on them first, and b) the parents are still figuring things out themselves, and they will generally be more relaxed when the younger children reach the same ages, also partly because the eldest is already fulfilling all their hopes and dreams so the youngest don't have to.
There's a lot more to it than that if you go into the detail, and there's of course also middle child syndrome, but this is a novel already - these are the basics.
I feel this so much.
You just explained all my childhood trauma. Add then also a youngest sibling born when I was 7 and since I was starting school, I was considered an adult. I still can't talk about my feelings or problems because I never had the chance to learn how to do that as a child. My bonds with my family were never really created because they didn't have any time for me. It's damn hard to reverse that damage as an adult and try to form bonds.
@@isachan0o844 I'm an eldest child - and bookworm. I never really learned how to talk to people, which was compounded by the fact that I didn't have access to people who shared interests with me. My luck was that I found a friend when I was 18 whom I share a whole lot with, and my husband who has helped me with my interaction skills. My problem isn't so much not being able to express myself (I think writing diaries and stories helped me on that front) but rather oversharing, not knowing which things not to say, and clinging to people I considered friends because I felt I finally had someone who cared. I also reacted pretty explosively to people trying to restrict my showing all my emotions very openly... A kind of thing that's not normally accepted in professional settings, so I had a rough few first jobs. I really had to learn how to do the whole social thing the hard way.
However, all of this really just indicates dysfunctional families. Not all parents make shit like this happen. That's why I mention 'parents who are really good at balancing'.
Mum always says "the eldest ones are always the quietest" and that's true in my case anyway compared to my 3 younger siblings. I've also had pressure put on me that the others have not and I was expected to sacrifice things for them just as my Mum was forced to so she repeats the cycle. Least I turned out the smartest by some margin though lol.
Sometimes I wonder if the reverse is true, like younger ones get less attention when they're babies than first-borns because there's already other multiple kids that need some attention too and those first few years of development are so key. That has to led to an obvious educational achievement decline in my family. I'm a graduate, then brother finished HS, sister did not finish final year HS, youngest brother turned out quite wayward and left with 2 years left to go I think.
Mr. Dennis Rader is currently still serving his ten consecutive life sentences at El Dorado Correctional Facility
Perhaps he should watch for switchblade drones...
that's like 20 minutes away from my house bro 😭😭 goodbye
Yep
So there's 3 ways you know this.. you work Corrections or Medical, or you were locked in EDCF too or know someone who is lmao
Don't forget to tell the people how much of coward he actually is by stayin in PC 😂
Dude is still alive. Don't worry. He ain't getting out of the hole he's in!!!
It's hard enough to get in to visit a family member!
Perfect for a Friday evenings watch! You really should do one on Chopper Read, not based on the movie but the actual books and facts, guy was nuts.
I mean the movie isn't tame lol
@@jemmaclarke2975 aye, the movie is an amalgamation of several stories in his books. First chapter in the book is chopper talking about digging his own grave at gunpoint (the man was a self confessed Bellshill artist)
Small update: BTK is still alive and actually just released a statement. Dr Kathleen Ramsland was very close with Rader and authored his books. She also had a student named Brian Kohlberger who was just arrested for the Idaho 4 murders. It was speculated that Brian may have corresponded with BTK due to his proximity to the case. BTK said he's never spoken to him. (Imagine being so terrible that BTK has to assure the community that he doesn't know you.)
I had the misfortune of meeting him a few times.
We lived roughly 2 minutes down the road from him and my mother owned the feed store in Park City (a block down from where he lived, roughly), and since he was the dog-catcher he would come in and talk periodically. It was mentioned that sometimes people change their memories after learning something horrible about someone, but my mother said back then that he gave her the creeps. I would sometimes be helping at the store when he would come in, and I remember him as being someone who couldn’t take a hint that he was making the place awkward. He couldn’t carry a conversation so there were always awkward silences while he tried to think of a reason to stay and talk longer. Sometimes he would only leave when another customer came in, and one time he tried to extend his awkward stay by changing his focus to me: “…so…you doin’ yer homework back there?” “Yes.” End of that conversation.
I think he was creepier the more he interacted with young pretty women such as my mother, but we assumed he was just a horny old man, not the BTK killer.
After his arrest my mother was given some of his rope. Not sure how that exactly worked out, since I was living in Thailand at the time, but for whatever reason, my mother now has BTK rope.
It’s possible to believe that my mother was on his radar as a potential victim, but I tend not to believe that. We lived on Hillside down the road from where Dolores Davis lived and I just don’t see him risking 2 killings right in his own back yard. But he is also one of the dumbest humans to have ever lived, so…
uhhhh... your mother has some of BTK's murder paraphernalia (aka his rope)? creepy af!!!
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim I haven’t been to her new house yet but I think she said she keeps it in the attic. Out of sight. Though I expect I am likely to ask her to dig it out next time I visit, out of morbid curiosity.
Imagine in 20 years some kids going through grandma’s things in the attic and they start playing with some old rope not knowing what it is!
She said Dean gave it to her. Dean was her husband at the time, and he was wealthy and connected, so in my imagination he asked someone in the police for a souvenir, they had his rope and gave it to him, and he gave it to her.
The rope your mum has was probably to compare with any rope she may have sold him or connected to your mum’s feed business. You were lucky he never came for your family. What a creep! Good description though.
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Just finished the Cicada 3301 Decoding the Unknown video and lo and behold, another great Simon channel drops a new video. This is turning out to be a fantastic Friday!
I find it amusing how you've flipped from anti-death penalty to "life sentences aren't good enough, hang the monsters" over the course of this show. Fitting really, once you've seen evil you know well that some monsters deserve only destruction.
The black pill goes down pretty hard.
I feel like he isn’t pro-death penalty, just reacting emotionally.
Look. He can recognize the death penalty is flawed, harmful to society and utterly barbaric, and still want to see a f*ck like Dennis Rader burn in hell.
People that advocate for death don't understand how miserable the hole is. Death is a sweet relief for someone stuck in a white room for thirty years with no stimulation.
@@stevem.o.1185 No, I fully understand. Death is not just a punishment, it's a final safety net. So long as they live they may kill again, they may get out, and all the while they drain taxpayer money to feed and house monsters. Better to get it over with quickly.
It kinda reminds me of survivorship bias in a way, if you spend enough time making/consuming true crime that focuses on the most heinous killers out there then obviously the death penalty becomes more sensible in your mind. You stop thinking about things like false convictions.
Thank you for pointing out how stupid some of these killers really are... I've also heard about "Genius Serial Killers" who were only smart inside their own mind.
Right as most serial killers have below average IQ and only a few actually had well above normal IQ as Rodney the Date Game Killer had 170 IQ where as Gary Ridgway the green river killer had IQ of low 70s
The one thing I remember with Mindhunter, sadly I'm pretty sure it's cancelled now, but the show when depicting Rader was at least showing him as fairly ordinary and impotent. There wasn't some kind of 'oh he's so brilliant' and I'm glad for that.
still waiting in vain for mindhunter season 3 🥲
If I wrote a novel where the killer genuinely asks: “Can you track me? Please be honest.” And it wasn’t a comedy, people would just laugh.
I appreciate Simon’s humanity. It’s one of the reasons I can watch his true crime but have trouble watching others’.
I have to write a paper on the BTK killer for my Criminal evidence and analysis class. This video was so helpful! Thank you!
My aunt, a widow, was his neighbor. He had a key to her house and watched over it when she would leave town. She swore up and down that they had the wrong guy when he was first arrested. I often went to her house as a teenager to receive voice lessons and also fed her dogs when she was away. Glad I never caught his eye.
Anyone here uses this channel to fall asleep?
Asking for a friend
Yeah my mate does!
@@williebauld1007 right on!! 😅
Haha yes!!
Nah it's too entertaining to sleep to!
As a note to Simon and his writer. I knew someone who had a homeless family member who sometimes committed crimes in order to be arrested. Also I saw a news story in the last few years in Japan where they have started to see elderly commit crimes in order to be housed in prison for a few years. (Probably on NHK as I watch their news content sometimes).
Case suggestion: Dean Corll aka "candyman"
Killed 27 young men between 1970 and 1973. He used teens to help lure his victims to his home. Would love to see Simons reaction to Corll's outcome
The torture details in that case are really rough.
Just saw this mentioned on the show "Mind hunters"
The attack helicopter thing is I believe mostly respect. It is the same military that fought the black hawk and Apache, and remember that the military lost quite a lot against those and other nations, like the commanche. Name your nimble, durable, heavy hitting helicopter after an opponent who represented the same threats.
I love this explanation!
This is the case that got me into true crime when i was a kid. I remember him being caught and it being revealed that it was thru a floppy disk and how computer data was traceable. It was fascinating to a little me.
I think Simon did forget how it probably were just technology the murderer didn’t understand. Like it was obviously stupid of him to trust the police but not knowing if it were traceable I can understand at the time.
I can't wait to see Simon's reaction when he gets to the part about the unbelievable level of idiocy that finally got Rader caught. Rader was an adult-looking child.
When "choke the chicken" has a literal meaning. I am sorry, this is so depressing and jokes need to be made.
WHAT???? American colonialism was NOTHING compared to British Colonialism.
😅 Was?
No but, it was definitely objectively more let's say, than American colonialism...at least during the technical colonial age.
There was a local case not long ago of a man wanting to go to prison because he was cold and scared of being left of the streets. He ended up threatening the local police station until he got arrested and sent to prison.
You would be surprised Simon, at how many homeless people have no hope and no help.
It’s been a few months since I stan’d Jen, but it’s overdue. Jen is the flour in the Casual Criminalist bread. Without her, it would take a LOT of effort to come close to a facsimile, and it wouldn’t satisfy.
Knowing simon is also a hoovie fan makes my day
What an horrific man. I remember these crimes as they unfolded over the years. Who knew this man’s intelligence (or lack there of) was so borderline. I guess he was so mediocre that he was just invisible. What a colossal waste of humanity.
Most importantly, I wanted to compliment your use of 'an'. I actually smiled. My mother would be so proud! 🤗😆
Also, I try not to dwell on how many serial killers are perfectly normal. It seems like neighbors and teachers always say things like "he was a nice guy! I never thought he would..." It's disturbing to think that the boring guy you see on the bus every day could be a serial killer.
@@nobody8328 adding the "an" only works if you don't pronounce the "h" in horrific... and since most of us do, the "a" article is correct. Likewise, you'd write "a history" and not "an history"
I have met Mr. Rader's brother. Ironically, he kept getting drawn for jury duty in my hometown, about 80 miles from Wichita. Poor guy would walk in with his cane. The judge would do the intro, see him, then dismiss him. I saw it happen three times over the course of 8 years. He was always thankful for the consideration in an embarrassed, quiet, almost meek manner. A thoroughly 'normal' person from the area. Apparently had issues with alcohol. Likely another victim of his brother in a roundabout way.
Hey Simon! If you do decide to do Ted Kazynski, I would really enjoy an inclusion of his participation in a Stanford advanced interrogation program affiliated with the CIA. I was hoping the Manson episode would reference his affiliation with some federal agents as well, and I would love to her your and your writers input. Keep up the good work!
Oooh, Simon, you've managed to pick one of the only true crime cases to give me screaming nightmares and foster lingering paranoia! Usually I'm quite good at remembering that the odds of my family ever actually being targeted by a serial killer are close to statistically impossible...but something about this guy and his unimaginably horrific acts just seems to override my rational mind. Anything related to this case always leaves me checking my windows & doors in an effort to tamp down the inevitable paranoia called up by the mere thought of Dennis Rader! He truly is a real-life monster, fit for the pages of Stephen King! (Perhaps my unreasonable terror has to do with me spending much of my childhood in the USA's Midwest, not far from where his crimes occurred?)
That said, because it's you delivering the info on this case, I'll do my best at forcing myself to sit through this video.
Ah, what I'm willing to do for a Simon video, eh?
That's how I feel about Richard Ramirez 😖 nightmares and extreme paranoia for days when I think about him.
@@loch-ness Yes!! Also, the Golden State Killer! I think that for me at least, it's because Ramirez & Rader didn't snatch vulnerable people from the street and murder them...they invaded what most of us think of as the safest, most secure place in our lives: our homes! So it feels like there's no way to protect yourself from people like that. That's what keeps me up at night when I think of killers like them.
Props to the gang for a great episode! Simon, Chris, and Jen keep it up please.
i moved to Wichita about 18 years ago. my mom freaked becauseshe remembered btk's first activity period and that he had not been caught yet.
Hey Simon if your in the comments I would really like a video or a long tangent on how life in Czech is for you. How is it being an English speaker there? How well do you get around not knowing the language? Do you know the language? Are you a permanent resident there or on a working visa? Ty m8
Up. We don't get enough tangents on this. Am also curious about how he met his wife.
Agreed!! We want answers!!
He should do a Biographics on himself.
Since Simon often talks about his conflicted thoughts on the death penalty; how about doing a video on the British serial killer John Christie. Particularly his murder of Beryl Evans, her baby daughter Geraldine and the aftermath of this.
I appreciate how you try to read these with a level of respect for the people an only a professional amount of interest an information...
You do walk a fine line with it an do great job. Thank you. I have seen things like this befor but this seems alot more honest then other showing
Simon, as someone who spent parts of my childhood in both the UK and US, I'd say treacle is similar to molasses but not quite as strongly flavored as the "blackstrap" variety molasses usually sold in the USA.
Regardless, treacle is undeniably freaking amazing for brekkies when poured on Scots porridge oats along with double cream and a nice cup of Irish breakfast tea!
22:00 - got me sweating and wondering about my own psyche Simon.
I switch between customer service and my normal self on a dime 🤣
The flip to quickly statement show Simon hasn't had to work retail or wait staff for any extended period of time. You learn very quickly to put on your retail face as many have come to call it. It is a literal switch when you are in front of customers you are wearing your mask as soon as you aren't it falls off until you have to deal with your boss/bosses. Any time you are by yourself you are back to being you. ( And most likely having a scream in the walk in freezer )
It’s these episodes about serial killers who wear girl clothes that make me very weary about letting people know I wear girl clothes lmao. I don’t want people thinking I’m a serial killer. Although I think most of these serial killers did it for sexual means? I just like looking nice is all. All in all, another excellent episode Simon. You and your team make such great content
Nah. Nothing wrong with gender-bending. Most people don't go around murdering and raping, no matter what they wear.
Right and I think most of the ones that wear girls cloths are usually bra and panties for a kink and sexual purposes and probably not a all day wearing
😂😂😂😂😂
It's OK Simon, I'm sure one of your Australian friends will like the "great for winter" shoes too.
Side note: it snowed in Colorado... Not in spring (well yea that too) but in July!
Yea it snowed here in PA the other day hahaha
Montana as well. We always get snow through May.
We actually got a few flurries in GA back in April... That's definitely not normal lol
Jokes on you mate I am an Aussie looking to order me some water proof shoes for mud crabbing 😂
@@wolfrickthedesigner4748 haha you proved my point, have fun mud crabbing *insert jokes on you I'm into that sh!t*
One of my coworkers was in the same prison as BTK a few years ago. My coworker swept that cell block and said that BTK didnt leave his cell at all for anything, he would just stare at you with really wide eyes and crazy hair all over the place. The guards have to wheel in a portable shower for BTK since he wont leave the cell.
To this day - Interrogations can go on for literal hours to days - they will wear down a suspect into confession this way. It is not at all unusual for a youth to get caught up in it and confess falsely. They are no doubt scared, afraid of all of it.
I switch between my inner selves quickly. And I compartmentalise everything. It’s a trauma response that is quite common.
It can appear “creepy” but generally isn’t at all harmful to anyone except the person sometimes.
Could also be related to alexithymia, autism, PTSD, anxiety or something else entirely. It is often related to conditions like depersonalisation, derealisation, dissociative Identity Disorders and similar conditions that are usually caused by trauma.
Don't make your mental diagnosis the center of your personality because your living life as a permanent victim and people around you cannot stand it I cannot stand it furthermore do not sit here and try and some how related your life and your experiences to bloody Denis Rader he's rotting away in a concrete box and you'll be shoved in the very same room if you truly think your funny....
Never the less terry I've screen grabbed your name, pfp and this comment and will turn it over to the authorities should you ever truly act out on what you ALREADY stated
Dude took chocking the chicken to a whole new level 😂.
Rader: You lied! You broke a pinky promise!!
I listen to a lot of true crime shows this is hands down my favorite because you don't go into too much detail. I've had to stop some because they made my stomach turn but these walk the line perfect. Side note I'd love to see a video on the Unibomber.
Simon’s 2 “fucks” not being censored at the end right before “shit” was censored made me giggle. Also jarring in a nice way to hear him swear hahaha.
I love Cas Crim. I’m running into a problem. I watched so much true crime I’m running out of unique criminals to learn about.
Edit: also homeless individuals definitely cop to misdemeanor crimes or commit them themselves for meals and shelter.
I follow Kerry. She has done a great amount of good. She helps others that have a gone through similar experiences. It’s amazing how well she has dealt with her own personal trauma and turned it into something positive for others.
I had a classmate in college who had went to jail in thier late teens and early 20s a couple of times for drunken fighting. He said if he was ever threatened with homelessness that he would commit a crime to go back to jail. He thought jail was nice because of free food and access to a library with no responsiblities. He might be an exception to the rule, but there are people that would do crimes to avoid homelessness.
Yes! Thank you, Simon. This is my favorite channel and no matter how bad of a day I'm having, a new episode of CC always makes it better.
Simon if you see this I'd LOVE an episode about Derrick Todd Lee, the Baton Rouge serial killer
Day 156432 of praying for Callum in the basement
I had to do an in-depth report on BTK in high school for a forensics class and god I wish this channel was around back then. Simmon always makes the best stuff
I would never try to minimize how absolutely awful a criminal like Rader is, but I honestly can't help it that every single time I watch or read anything about his case the floppy disk cracks me up so much! Of all the ways to get caught, I swear...
12:40 Simon has actually done it. Got himself canceled for real this time 🤣
Had to scroll through and see if anyone else heard it.😂😂
The constant breaks in the story for jokes screeches the videos pace to a halt. The tone jumping back and forth makes me feel like I’m in a constant loop of fender benders
I'm from Kansas and loved Simon talking about it.
I grew up in Wichita KS and BTK had everybody scared when I was a kid. Cool you covered this guy. Btw, you got the facts of the city wrong but that's what you've got to expect when you get all your facts from a computer search.
Yeah being in the MidWest means things get overlooked/generalized, at times.
@@bradharrah3339 and most of the time we like it that way.
Blame the script writer for that. :P
Wichita is known as ‘The Air Capital of the World’ as it is the home of Beech, Boeing, Leer, and Cessna. The infamous Koch brothers are also from Wichita. It really was a beautiful , quiet city when I lived there which was during the BTK scare.
The birthplace of Pizza Hut as well.
absolutely wild to see an episode that's so close to home for me. lived in wichita for most my life before moving and btk was something that just. hung over everything. visited the prison he's held in and my mom went to his community college. absolutely horrifying
Honestly, you’re one of the only channel that does make me consider looking in the brand. The vessi and skill share ones are intriguing me now even though I’ve seen other ads on those two products before and they did’nt sell it to me. You could be a car salesman lol.
I've always found the trope trying to link intellect with serial killing to be stupid, I see no evidence of that at all. There are killers who have VERY high IQ and there are a lot of killers who are idiots (and it seems proportional to the average number of genius and idiots). I do think Rader is unusual in his ability to socially chameleon quickly, but that skill doesn't make him a genius. I agree that he is an exception to the average rules, but to call him intelligent is just baffling.
I mean Anne with an E is mostly heartwarming and has an extraordinarily beautiful intro
Israel Keyes is easily still the most frightening to me, the randomness and dedication along with above average intelligence and no desire to “brag” about his actions scares me a bit.
Actually, the Hellcopter thing is one of the few uses of their names they approve of, as it represents honoring their warrior traditions. The naming scheme was actually proposed by native american officers.
Simon: I don't believe in the death penalty.
Also Simon: someone should go and try to pin more murders on this guy so he can get the death penalty.
Scott Glenn was against the death penalty when he met and talked with FBI profilers, prepping for his role as Clarice Starling’s FBI boss in Silence of the Lambs. After he listened to the tape of a monster’s recording of one of his victims, a dying child begging for her mom, he changed his mind. The serial Pedo would listen to the tape on the way to work.
I researched this for school, not knowing who he was really, but his killings completely shocked and disturbed me, the more I read the worse it got
Can you please at least acknowledge where Callum went???
My brother was in the Cub Scouts at the same time as Raider, and we had a run in with him once. He yelled at my brother at a jamboree for supposedly letting a fire get out of control. It’s sobering to think how many people have a dark, secret life you’ll probably never know about.
It’s so strange to see someone go right into zoosadism without some prior event to associate sexual gratification with animal torture. I think one good example was that serial killer who would hide behind the slaughter barn to ‘get off’ because it was the only place he could safely do it without abuse, and then overtime associated those feelings with the dead and dying animals inside the barn. So it’s crazy that this dude just went straight into it