Pedro Lopez: Monster of the Andes
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This video traumatized Simon so much that he still mentions this guy every 2-3 videos when trying to scale how evil someone is, and if they tip the scales in Lopez's direction he generally becomes very enthusiastic about death penalties for that episode.
Future me came down here to say something similar. I've been having a binge this afternoon and I actually came looking for this vid having had Simon mention the guy so often....I think we have a new "take a shot" in the drinking game.
Jep me too, going back to to the original episode that have Simon mild PTSD after seeing the other Pedro episode (the prison killer). Need something to remind me working outside in winter is not the worst. At least I'm not being cut to pieces.
Exactly what I did today! Haha
Lol ditto. I originally skipped the video when seeing the comments but I have to see what traumatized him so much.
@@wanchanga22 Did you finish it?
Who else is here after Simon's frequent later references to this episode?
me.
I’m here because of RUclips’s algorithms, but his references helped me brace for it… 😢 now I have the context.
🙋♂
I missed it by coincidence then with all the references Simon makes I found it. Finally watched it and now I agree totally with Simon's assessment.
This one really stuck with him...
Seeing Simon so happy at the start of this video knowing how much it’s gonna scar him for later episodes is eerie
I'm watching this again a year later and thinking, he should have done the Kardashian one in between. This has gone down as a classic one for being just SO traumatic for Simon that he still brings it up.
For me it’s an odd type of funny. I don’t like that is, but it is.
Just need to watch luis garavito
😂😂😂😂😂 THIS
I'm here to be traumatized as well
My husband was homeless from the age of 6-18 with only a few months total living with his now deceased Mother.
I was homeless off and on from 13-16.
There are many homeless children but the go unseen because they are avoiding foster care or whatever guardian they had. The older kid's took care of the younger ones.
Never assume there are no homeless kid's just because you don't see them.
The horrors of living on the street never fully go away no matter how much food you have, how large a house, nice car, clothing, personal items and stable life you manage to make for yourself.
I never ended up homeless. But I slept in crack houses and moved weight for older dudes so I had a place to sleep. The roads are unforgiving
What country?
@@xyz7572 does it matter?
@@Metallica4Life92 perhaps not, but it would be interesting to know so one can compare this person’s experiences to what the image is of the country; does the country portray itself as one with a perfect welfare system? In that case, it brings an extra set of tragedy to it, because no one even acknowledges the poverty’s existence. Still heartbreaking no matter the country, though.
I was homeless for only 28 months and as an adult too, it was still incredibly traumatic so god knows what it's like for a child.
My dad had an awful, abusive childhood and was raped most of the time - and he’s the SWEETEST, coolest guy EVER. Like, takes in my friends who have poor relationships with their parents and is all “I am your father” on them (many of whom go on to say he’s the best dad ever), lifts me up when I’m depressed, and puts his family first.
His PTSD had a negative impact on all our lives, but he tackled that for this family.
You can have a really messed up life, but can still turn out to be a great person. My dad’s my hero - always waking up to try and do the best he can do for at least as long as I’m around.
I know other examples of inspiring people with shorty backstories, and some have no family to help them, either.
True. My dad has a somewhat similar story, and also turned out to be a very kind person. He ended up becoming a pediatrician and is universally loved by the parents of his patients. It certainly makes me think about the nature/nurture question. I don't know why some people become so good despite horrific circumstances and seeing the worst of humanity so early in life. Results not typical.
Exactly. Childhood abuse is an explanation. Not an excuse. Plenty of people are treated like absolute TRASH and still don't decide to murder dozens, if not HUNDREDS of children. I hope the theory about him being tortured and murdered by mob justic is true.
WHO ASKED??
Your dad is awesome , I hope i can be like that one day
@@mariammontaser7843 You totally can dude! I believe in you, so there’s one person in your corner always! Choose NOT to return the gift of pain to humanity in payment for the hurts you receive. I know it’s tempting, but revenge leaves us shallow, empty, and wanting something more, I’ve found, at least.
Honestly, one of the highlights of this show is just me living vicariously through Simon expressing his outrage at these cases, after watching so many documentaries and channels that try to stay rather passive when discussing these things, it's a breath of fresh air. Take care of yourself Simon (your mental health is priority number 1!!)
This is what makes this show stand out from the others. Simon doesn't just mindlessly read the horrors. He puts himself into the story and responds according. Some of these are SUPER hard to watch. Let alone read. Simon I commend you sir.
I'm with you there. The legitimate emotional responses from Simon bring a sense of humanity to these stories that I can relate to 100%.
I typically avoid documentaries about serial killers, because they only provide more attention to the crimes. Being in a family affected by this, they get me feeling a bit dark. These episodes provide more context (and take as long as needed), and Simon's responses act out the real feelings of them, which is therapeutic. I feel they tell the stories of the victims more than other productions, adding more weight and clarifying the cruelty of the acts. Regardless of the notoriety or number of victims, each family affected is never the same and is scarred, at best.
@@bradharrah3339 so sorry you have personal experience 💜
@@bradharrah3339 There's another true crime who gives attention to the victims describing them and there lives, it's called Morbid.
I think honestly this is one of the most respectful ways to explore true crime.
It’s honest, Simon doesn’t try to hide his outrage. It’s as detailed as possible, and isn’t just for “shock value”. And the survivors and victims families are always respected.
It’s not a cheap shot to get follows&likes.
Thanks!
Thank you.
@@dr.davidbaker86 you are very welcome!! I hope to hear more from your work soon!
@@TheCasualCriminalist I am a huge fan (in case you didn’t notice comments on every channel!) thank you :)
I believe that ALL true crime channels are essentially gratuitous and exploitative. I'm not excusing myself either - I watch a lot of true crime.
Simon entering disturbed and aggravated dad mode is heartbreaking. I also appreciate it because I feel similarly about this.
Pedro was created by a heartless culture.
@@chasefrancis8742 Pedro was created by war and evil people abusing a child. Your culture is soulless.
Yeah but you did some gross things and sleepovers with your own cousin Hippocrates
I was born in Ecuador. When my mom was a little girl she was playing in the front yard with her sisters. One of the sisters was approached by a stranger who started asking her questions. Luckily they realized who the stranger was and ran inside the house quickly. They got my grandparents who ran outside but he was gone by then. She told them it was the guy from the newspapers and they realized it was Lopez.
Do you know what questions? If you know then we should tell children if an adult asks those questions to run away. I try to tell my younger relatives that if anyone does anything your gut says is wrong then to run.
That didn't happen.
@@kittyythecat also, not everyone will do the same thing. Are you stupid?
Sure: they recognised his him from pictures in papers that hadn’t been published because of the whole “police being shit” thing… B.S
Sure bud
Love how Simon is 100% sure he’d commit crimes in that environment. No hesitation whatsoever. Never change factboi
If survival is the question, then crime might be the only answer available to some.
Crime and poverty have always been interlinked.
Most people would. I would commit crimes to feed my family in that environment.
Who needs motive?
@@loriburnip but didn't Pedro's mom kicked Pedro out at 8
@@darkclaws1234567891 Yes. I was just speaking hypothetically about myself. I would steal things for my family to survive. I would NOT however become a serial killer & murder kids. That's all on pedro. There's no reason or excuse for that! That can't be justified the way stealing to feed hungry people can be justified.
It was a rough episode, innately, but David has treated it with as much grace as possible. He's been doing a good job of telling these terrible stories without steeping us in trauma. Much respect.
I really appreciate this comment quite a lot.
Absolutely...
I commented in agreement, but I then my cat/my phone/me had an accident. Agreeing again!
i agree with your assessment of his treatment of this story. It was excellently presented.
🕯️🙏
you don't get a trauma reading something or just listening to a story. that's ridiculously egocentric bs regarding real victims of serious cases. And surprise - he doesn't has to do all of his 13 or whatever channels.
He would do pretty fine without this one.
My father was a street kid in Bogota. He managed to get his pilots license at 19 and got a job with a local cartel bringing cocaine to the US. After several trips he set up a deal with someone he met in Florida to sell the cocaine directly for himself for a large amount of cash. He left that life behind, went to college and became obsessed with computers during the early days of the computer revolution. Got a job at the NSA, met my mother in Maryland and created a family. He was an amazing man that will always inspire me. He passed at the young age of 60. I'm sorry we couldn't spend more time together but the time we did have together are some of the best and most vivid memories of my life. I regret every time I was cruel to him as a kid and the lies I believed. Love you dad.
Wow! Your dad was an amazing human. It's always nice to hear about people rising above their terrible childhood and succeeding as a genuine good person.
It's nice that you got those years with him 💛
@Erin Ditterick-Booth Thank you for the kind words Erin, I appreciate it.
Your father proves that what you make of your life is the sum of your choices. This Lopez dude chose evil. The betrayal of a child’s trust, mental illness, and what the neurological researchers are finding to be actual developmental problems in the brains of children who grow up in these extreme situations are just all excuses. I’m not saying everyone can escape the messes of their childhood completely but they can do some good. They don’t have to be serial killers or spend their lives being cruel and hateful drains on society.
@@nmxsanchez 😊 xx
@@Jen39x What you make of your life is the sum of your choices, but the sum of your choices is also the result of the life you had and the mind life gave you. Google Charles Whitman, my dude, or one of the many cases of severe personality change after TBI, like Phineas Gage.
Simon, as an abuse survivor your comments on the security of awful people to a child abuse survivor is 100% spot on. Even now that my life is pretty good I find myself having to fight my drive to try to get people to hurt me because I always "know" what's coming. That any care or compassion I get will have to be payed back several times over and so it's better if people just always treat me like shit so that I don't owe them.
Ah, another hero/legend. I admire your strength 💪. Keep working on happy 🤜🤛!
Some people are terrible, some people are amazing. It's a shame when someone only meets the former, and a tragedy when someone expects that.
*paid
@@gNome_5 Sorry?
same
His violent childhood is heartbreaking. You can tell he HAD empathy as a child and lively could have been a thriving adult, had he been raised by a loving family. This was horrific in so many ways.
Nah he's a total psycho sexual sadist you get a lot of people especially in third world countries that had lives like him they might get violent but they don't become a serial killer
sad to think that that one teacher severed all trust he had with the new family, if that "teacher" would have just kept his hands to himself...
the horrible part is that but for the second abuse, he probably would have
@@HexisVonSpade that's not what turned him into a serial killer tons of people are viciously abused they don't kill even one person
@@leahflower9924 "tons of people are viciously abused they don't kill even one person" Duh, and not a proof against the effects of nature on the birth of serial killers.
I appreciate that after episodes like this, we're allowed to see how shaken Simon is. People *should* be affected by information like this, but a lot of it gets edited out. Here, they didn't. Thank you, Simon's editors.
An idea for a non-horrific-murder episode could be about "The Bling Ring" - the group of teenagers breaking into celebrities' homes in Hollywood in 2008-09.
Still pretty much a piece-of-shit material
@@makinka0cp better than outright rape and murder of children
@@onyxdragon1179 Depends on your perspective.
@@nodiggity9472 Difficult to conceive of a perspective where there is anything approaching moral equivalence here.
@@makinka0cp Murder and theft are not comparable crimes.
The only thing that distracted me from the horror of this episode was looking at that green light by Simon's head and telling myself, "Well at least he has full stamina..."
Glad I’m not the only one who kept looking at that light and having BotW run through my head
@@williek08472 YES!
Can we have a series of “dumbest criminals of the last decade” and just focus on the stupidity of would-be criminals? I think we could all use a break from the monsters, and it sounds like Simon could use a good laugh after this one
"Simon's Criminal Darwin Awards" or "The Casual Criminalist's Darwin Awards" would be GOLD titles for such a series!!!
@@christiangauthier727 "Most Egregious Case of Writing Down One's Crimes" and "Most Incompetent Police".
I agree. Poor Simon had to endure a lot with these recent eps.
Might be a nice break (at least when it’s just dumb or non-violent crimes).
Yes. 👍 Hopefully in the order of Simons tips for criminals.
Episode 1: Idiots writing down their crimes.
Episode 2: Morons telling others about their crimes.
It could be an ongoing series or maybe a new youtube channel. 🤑
Pedro‘s crimes is like if Batman started killing parents in front of their children instead of fighting crime.
i cackled
Having lived in Ecuador from 2008-2010, i can promise that mob justice is often frequently still a thing. I remember one time a thief stole a woman's phone, turned the corner of the block right into the police. He was then placed in the back of the truck with handcuffs, while the woman and her friend were allowed to beat on him. It was so weird to me. But to the people of Guayaquil, it was extremely normal.
In Haiti they would've likely just killed them
It would be interesting to see/listen to an episode on Baba Anujka, the most prolific Yugoslav/Austro-Hungarian serial killer, who had a very unique story and modus operandi. Or if you want to continue your brutal streak, Marc Dutroux is always an option.
Look up aqua tofanna by Bailey sarian it’s like that story x100
Baba Anujka would be awesome
i’d love to see simons reaction to baba anujka
@@jessie7288 Since it was used on abusive husbands it would be less horrific. Not that I condone murder of abusers but I'm definitely less upset about that than killing children.
Oooo I wanna hear about Baba Aniujka...
I have never wanted to give Simon more of a hug than I do right now. This one was ROUGH and you were a champion to power through it. Well done and go watch something fluffy to take your mind off it.
Me too.
Love the dog in your pfp so cute 😍
@@mytruecrimelibrary thanks, his name is Milo and he's a good boy
@@dr.davidbaker86 aw Milo ❤ what breed is he?
@@mytruecrimelibrary he's a pomeranian chihuahua
"I've never heard of this one before"
Simon's in for a rough one, as is every other parent that watches this. Consider yourselves warned, you're gonna want to yeet your device into a lake and punch trees in anger.
When I read the title I thought "buckle up Simon"
The end of my work day can't come soon enough, so I can get home and hug my kids.
Why did I only read this one after listening. Somehow this is what I chose to listen to during my baby's cluster feeding marathon. 🙈
As a indigenous Peruvian woman, this shit is so fucking scary and it hits close to home
As someone who doesn’t have kids listening to cases like this is distressing enough but I really can’t imagine what it’s like for people like Simon who actually have kids. I think Simon deserves a week or so of heist episodes and other comparatively lighter episodes after this.
Jen is the editing Goddess of the Casual Criminalist. She's the magician putting the zing into Simon, David, and Callum's exceptional work.
Well Done Jen!
She is pretty damn good!
Yay Jen! 💪
Editing was my favorite part of production in school. Ms. Jen does do a fabulous job! Very nice smooth transitions, and beautifully clear text. There are many of us who recognize the amount of work these videos are. When we find awesome production values, we acknowledge the craftspeople! Including the talent, (Simon) in this case.✌😸
There are enough people watching/listening to this that a lower view count doesn't mean your episodes aren't successful. I was drawn in by some of the darker episodes, but I ended up watching every single episode after that. I'll watch whatever you release and if lighter episodes are in order, do it. I'm definitely not the only one. I'm also a true crime writer and can confirm that creating this content is so much more emotionally draining than consuming it. You really have to internalize the horror of it all. Take care of yourself.
For me, I binged Casual Criminalist as soon as I found it. But I guess the die-hards who will watch every video aren't what brings in the real viewer numbers. The more sensational the video, the more one-time viewers will appear.
Simon, for American, I had a pretty tough upbringing but I always feel immensely grateful when I hear some of the stories of real poverty and real depravity in the world.
I agree, I grew up in the city of St. Louis, and I think most Americans would be supposed with the amount of poverty in the states. There’s people in the Appalachians who still don’t have water or plumbing. Staying great full keeps me humble-and sober hahaha-
Yeah its a different world here. I live in the eastern panhandle of WV. And I traveled to the southern part of the state where our capital is for work. and I'm not lying 20 miles before the capital we got shook down by the county police. I wasn't sure what was wrong or what happened because we traveled in a convoy. So 15 duces, and numerous trucks and cherry pickers were all lined up on the side of the road. And I thought it was the cops looking for a fugitive, or something in that nature. Nope, we were getting the laws of land. We were contracted to cut around the power lines and other infrastructure. We were told point blank. If you leave your group, or travel outside of your zones your on your own. These woods aren't safe, and neither are you. These people aren't mean but they don't ask questions. You keep your head down and do your job you'll be fine. And most of the guys laughed and thought it was scare tactics. But after a few days you had all the information you needed. Houses that were more shacks and Shannys with single pane windows, rough cut wood siding and Brand new Ford 150 peppered all over the mountains. Some of these men were awesome, and would actually come down offer us food, and shine, literally right in front of the cops. But then the truth came out. They're looking for someone to make a mistake. And if you werent born there you didn't belong. After 2 weeks of that shit I never went back. I should have figured out what was up when the cops Said:" We're here to make sure nothing happens to you all. We aren't incharge gentlemen, so I'd suggest that you walk the line, these people have a different way of life, your outsiders to them, and questions don't get asked." That was a little over 10 years ago. So maybe it's changed some, but probably not
@@nicholascorbett1256 damn. Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting.
@@Sacred_Walls no problem man, I dont tell people to often cause I love my state and I hate hearing the way people think of us and that we're all a bunch of incest hillbillies. I try to walk away from the situation, but sometimes I have to break out the boys from October sky, and the fact that it was our University that caught VW lying about their emissions on their "Clean diesel engine" And how a unnamed California university didn't seem to catch it. But once I found out VW offered to build WVU a brand new Stadium, and training center for them to keep their mouths shut., it made sense why morally corrupt Cal didnt draw attention. We're not uneducated sheep here. We've just been screwed over by our politicians, Rockefeller, and Byrd. They took so much money from our state that it's no wonder we've struggled like we have. That's why I say you can't trust a Democrap lol
@@nicholascorbett1256 sqweel like a 🐷👈 banjo boy lol! The movie deliverance was a documentary!
19:55 I think the first part of Jack Sparrows famous quote fits perfectly there. "You can always trust a dishonest man to be dishonest." Out on the street, he always needs his guard up. But there is a safety in that. Being betrayed and hurt when someone made you put the guard down and relax is a whole other kind of mental trauma since you haven't managed to put yourself in the mindset of being prepared for the worst.
I love how clearly simon shows his personality throughout each different series. Like using legend a lot, idk just his personality is so consistent you can get a good feel for the dude.
He feels like a friend
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Simon this distraught before, I don’t think I’ve ever seen him this hurt. The fact he ended the episode like that after finding out what actually happened in the end is kinda shocking.
I heard about Lopez years ago, and I agree. The fact that this creature went free after everything he did and never truly faced justice is insanity. Yeah there’s a decent chance that he’s already dead (whether naturally or murdered) after all this time, but that doesn’t make it any better. A monster in every sense of the word, and I think it’s safe to say, the killer who broke Simon in a way…dear lord.
I’m from Ecuador, and from the Hispanic community is known that he was found dead, but no one actually confirmed if it was true or not
Oh dear, I knew this case and its “twist” and felt genuinely bad for Simon as he learned about it. We definitely need some more Buckingham Palace break-ins!
"I can't handle another Chikalito." Umm.... poor poor Simon. *poors him a nice hot cup of tea and offers him a comfy blanket to wrap himself up in while he heals* Seriously, your mental health is important. More fluffy silly episodes sounds like a very good idea.
The fact he botches the pronounciation for a thousandth time makes me think it's an extremely sadistic form of trolling.
After these videos, I think he might need to film a few more Brain Blaze videos to unwind
Which episode can I find Chikalito?
@@tiffinyharrington9307It's 'tilo. Is that so hard to memorize?
What episode is that?
Jen is definitely your best editor in my opinion please give her a raise.
When I visited Colombia, there were homeless children and paralyzed folks who crawled around on carts.
It was horrifying. It made me really respect the struggles the Colombian people have survived, and appreciative of what little medical insurance the US offers. It made me really respect the competent Law auditors in the US who challenge police corruption.
It is still a beautiful place that Ive been to multiple times. I will be back. I have people I love that live there, and those that send me videos singing "Compleaños Feliz" when some of my family wouldnt.
Many migrants are these people; worthy of love and respect. They have so much to offer our culture if we could only better understand their plight.
Their art is beautiful. Their dialects and cultures are fascinating. Studying the difference in tribal cultures was revealing. I admire their resolve.
Te amo Bogotá.
Simon, the mirror is to check for breath.
You hold a mirror by a person's mouth and if it fogs then they're still breathing.
This episode was so rough. I think we would all love to hear more funny, nonviolent stories as long as you're reading them.
But so called "agonal breathing" isn't sufficient, aka 6- 10 very ahallow breaths per min- is only the last part ( brain stem) functioning. Aka a vegetive state if CPC is not perfomed asap !
@CONNOR CardioPulmonary Compression
@connor7935another name for cpr
How about a week or two of heist episodes?? The Maple syrup one was pretty legendary, and I think it would give Simon especially a *well-deserved break* from recounting horrific murder cases.
Oh, definitely the maple syrup one.
@@foaliish Yes it was! I was only citing it as an example of the kind of cases this show could continue covering in the future :)
did you just copy the pinned comment word for word and pass it off as your own wtff??
@@khalidnoor7735 That's literally my comment- THIS is the original. Just look at the timestamps on the comments before assuming theft please.
@@naomiyurkov6648 Hey Sorry..I didn't know
My girlfriend is Colombian and I lived in Ecuador for 4 years. I've heard many stories. I can't wait to watch. Thanks, CC crew!
I’m Colombian, it’s not the worst sadly. Luis garavito might be the one you’re thinking of. The beast.
As someone who’s experienced domestic violence and homelessness, I can say understanding what you get on the streets instead of fearing what you get inside the “home” is a real thing. I was extremely fortunate that it was 2017 and in the US where there were resources available to help me. If it were 1969 in Bogota? I’d probably have not survived it.
Me either 😢
I came back and watched this episode again because Simon still talks about it. If he had been stopped earlier, by vigilantes or police, it is mind blowing how many lives could've been spared. And even if he "only" committed the murders of the bodies that were found, that's just unspeakable. From the silence after he was released, he must've been murdered and this is a better world without him in it.
Quite possibly by Chagas and their ants
Simon, unlike other true crime podcasters, you do not peddle murder for entertainment. A perfect example is your commentary on the Hello Kitty murder. You presented Fan Man-yee's story with compassion. You chose to skip out on the more graphic aspects that others would have been delighted to present. Thank you for that.
If you are interested in a case that will make your blood boil perhaps you should check out the story of Rubi Frayer and her mother Marisela Escobedo. There's a netflix doc about them entitled "Three deaths of Marisela Escobedo." It is an important story to tell.
2022 Simon, to 1956 Columbia, "You don't throw the child out, you get him therapy."
I don't know the stats on that, but I'm guessing child psychologists in Columbia at that time were rare, expensive and the social stigma for getting help at the time was probably such that it only happened if it was court ordered.
Hell, I'd be surprised if there were *any* outside the super wealthy communities. Psychology wasn't exactly a popular option much of anywhere in the '50s.
I was thinking the same thing. A child psychologist definitely wasn’t in the cards for this guy.
The poor weren't getting any psychiatrist in Bogota back then
Even today, in 2022, even in America, poor people can't afford therapy.
@@amandajones661 That's what Medicaid is for. Speaking as a poor person with mental *disabilities.*
Simon, if you need to do more lighter episodes for your wellbeing, please do. Most of your viewers will enjoy them. There are undoubtedly plenty of ridiculous stories out there. Florida is not underwater yet.
I would love a funny/ridiculous “Florida Man” series!
YET lol Also Venice 🤭
It is now!!!
He has other channels that aren't this topic. I'm sure he's capable of monitoring his own mental health.
I’ve always been grateful for my parents, but these stories make me want to call up my mum and dad to thank them. They were helicopter parents, and most believe that’s horrible. I was and still am happy with it. I always felt safe. Mum was always a hawke, dad was always paranoid locking doors and checking windows. Independence for me came naturally as I grew up. They became my friends when I was a teen. Left the nest with a good job in another country at 20 after getting my degree. Still have to call my parents DAILY to tell them I’m alive and well 😂😂😂 love them.
Thank you for your human approach with these stories. It’s relieving to watch someone react the same way you do. I’m going to send a few to my mum who’s also a true crime addict.
This is my first time actually building up the courage to watch this episode. I’ve heard from other videos just how much this affected you all.
I’m watching this in support of the work you all do and not because I’m a gore junkie. David is amazing with how he writes these episodes and the fact that Simon’s adds the extra human touch. Being moved by these stories in such a way that makes the horror almost bareable.
I’m not completely through the video yet but it honestly just goes to show, even some of the worst people just needed some love and support. And no I’m not a sympathizer of monsters, and I don’t particularly care for people as a whole, but the fact that a lot of these serial killers just needed to not be abused really hits you.
Again thank you all for the work you do to educate us on things that many of us wouldn’t have even heard about if it wasn’t for this channel.
In reference to eight-year-old Lopez potentially assaulting his sister, it's actually quite common for children who have been abused, especially sexually, to inappropriately touch other children or go as far as assaulting them. Most children aren't taught about why their genitals are private and a lot of them don't know what's happening to them is wrong, so they mimic that behaviour onto other children. Sometimes they do it harmlessly and sometimes it's a way to take back control by hurting someone else. About 45% of child sexual abuse is committed by other children.
This is actually why a lot of CSA survivors, me included, are very insistent on not using pedophile as a catch-all for all adults who sexually abuse children. As far as I know, the man who sexually abused me was not a pedophile; only a small percentage is. Most adults who assault children are nothing but opportunists. Children are much less likely to say no and are less likely to ever say anything about it because a whole lot of us didn't know that it was wrong. I'm twenty-one and it was only a couple of months ago that I realised that I'm a CSA victim. We don't protect children by shielding them from CSA, we make them more vulnerable. We don't need to tell them specific details, but we need to tell them enough to know that this shouldn't be happening and that they can say no.
Hello I agree I'm the victim of a child that was actually younger than me but I thought I did something wrong to warrant them doing the se***l ab**e which happend frome around 3 up till almost 17. If I had been taught that no its not alright what happened to me I could have stopped it.
This happened to me by another male when I was 16. I had been invited over to watch anime after my grandpa had died. I had just flown back from a funeral. I do not call him a pedophile but he was a rapist. He took action against me with knowledge from mutual friends at the time that I was not okay. I later learned he assaulted two of his younger cousins in the past and girlfriends after what he did to me. He never got introuble because everyone he did this to was underage and poor. His grandpa was best friends with the local judge and worked in law enforcement. No one ever had the means to get him charged due to trauma being so hard face it took nearly half a year for anyone to say anything including myself. I only learned of this because of one of his cousins reaching out to me about this situation because I legally filed a protection from abuse order against him when I was 17 for horrific messages he had sent to me and several family members online.
I'm also a survivor and I'm a little confused. How would it be helpful to not call all adults who sexually abuse children pedophiles? And what would that have to do with children committing those acts against other children? I guess I'm just not seeing the connection here and I didn't even know that discussion was a thing.
@@LadySuchiko A pedophile is someone legitimately sexually attracted to children, rather than a rapist who chooses children because they are often the easiest victims available. Depending on which studies you look at, only 40-60% of child sex offenders are actually pedophiles, and the majority of true pedophiles do not offend. The difference is important in terms of how to prevent recidivism in pedophilic offenders and opportunistic offenders, as well as how to prevent non-offending pedophiles from becoming offenders.
Also a survivor, and my abuser was an older child who most likely was not a true pedophile.
Poor Simon! He begins this episode smiling and joyful and ends it disgusted and stifled by its brutality!
When Simon said Lopez had been released and no one knew where he was, I literally had no words. With the Hello Kitty, Junko, and all the other horrible crimes there was at least some Justice and closure. I’ve never cried and gotten physically ill from a CC episode before. I don’t know how Simon did this one to the end. My heart hurts.
at least we know where Junko's killers are
This was seriously the grimmest story i've ever heard. Everything in this is so F#ked. Pedro's early life was f#ked. His later life F#ked over other people's lives. He committed literally some of the worst acts a human being can actually do. In the 100s of victims. Got a light charge. And f#king escaped, he's free and might literally still be alive, killing again. There's NOTHING GOOD in this story. NOTHING. I gotta watch some Cat Videos to retain my faith in humanity...
Albert Fish really fucked me up too. He killed and ate kids. Stick pins and shit up his ass. Pure evil at least he was caught
Junko didn't have any form of justice or closure.
@@bridgetrodriguez4643 because they are still alive there is a chance for someone to do them in
0:07 Oh Simon, Simon... So young and innocent before he read the script that would haunt him for years to come!
In an effort to help protect dear Simon and space out the more intense reads, can we get an episode on the Wisconsin Cheese Heists of 2017? 😂
4:00 - Chapter 1 - Meet Pedro Lopez
13:50 - Chapter 2 - Oliver twist on crack
21:00 - Mid roll ads
23:55 - Chapter 3 - Gone in 60 seconds
31:00 - Chapter 4 - "I am a god"
42:15 - Chapter 5 - The festival of fruits & flowers
46:35 - Chapter 6 - The monster of the andes
56:35 - Chapter 7 - The twist
1:04:30 - Dismembered appendices
You should do a video on Brittany Killgore slaying of a Marines wife. Look it up; it's incredibly interesting. It would fit your style very well. I would know she was my wife. It has been years since it happened, and I turned down many interviews because it would have seemed just wrong to me. The way you do your videos is just great; you bring the stories to life while still showing respect. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
I am vaguely familiar with that case. I am sorry you had to experience that it must have been rough. Much love mate i hope he talks about it.
Hey man that is a horrible thing to happen. Hope things have been going better for you since then.
I'd like to join the other caring commenters here by saying I hope you are healing and doing well now after being tied to something so f*cked up and harrowing. Much love.
I am doing much better now. I am out of the Marine Corps and drive 18-wheelers. I got remarried about 6 months ago. I had been dating this girl for about 3 years. It was actually my wife that suggested I see if Simon would make a video on Brittany. From the beginning of our relationship, I was up front with her about my past. Something like that happening to a person you love really will shape who you are as a person. Most publicity is nothing but sensationalized and shows no respect to the victims at all. The way Simon does his videos is wonderful. He adds comedy to it but not in an insulting or demeaning way whatsoever.
@@killgoreish hey congrats on the remarriage bro glad you found someone who makes you happy
I’d love to see more heist content and other shenanigans to give you (and the viewers) a reprieve from the dark stuff!
I like all the weird non-lethal stuff too. Simon needs a break!!
Who doesn't like a good heist? Or a bad, moronic, incompetent, slapstick-style heist, for that matter?
Actually, that's exactly what I want to see. I want the most ridiculous, amateurish heist in history that somebody actually got away with. I want to see Simon make fun of both the criminals and the cops over something that's actually at least a little bit fun.
More murder! :)
If he's anything like me, a good compromise would be just really old murders, like 1800s and earlier. The longer ago something happened, the better I can stomach it. Also murders where the story is more about some legal quirk that threw a wrench in the trial than the actual crime. Suffice to say, I love the Hammersmith Ghost episode, which was both of those things.
Or stuff like the Kara Robinson episode, where would-be victims turned the tables on the criminal, I'd love more of those!
Heists would be amazing!! I don't know anyone else who does this and also factboiis sanity will remain intact! Looking at you David....
Edit: BTW I love all the horrific stories David 😂
Simon is so honest in his anger. That why he's my go to guy for just about anything. I love his voice, and his emotional outbursts.
I think we as "true crime enthusiasts" all have that one case that we lose sleep over, that disturbs us in a way that changes who we are. Until I saw this, it was the Alyssa Bustamante case. Thank you for the genuine emotion missing from so much true crime content ❤️
agreed. it's ian watkins and casey anthony for me.
It’s the boy in the box is the one that got me
The part about him using a mirror to check if the girls were dead:
He'd place the mirror right under the girl's nose, and if the girl was still alive the mirror would become foggy. I believe this worked even if her breathing was too shallow.
Ditto
@@andrewmurray9350 what?
It's quite an old technique. Back in the days where being buried alive was a terrible possibility, the mirror trick could be the difference between waking up in a hospital and waking up in a small box.
@@onyxdragon1179 a common slang meaning meaning essentially "same" or "copy".
Aka they were going to comment the same thing and saw this first.
This one was pretty horrifying. We all need a good fluff episode
I don’t mind the less sadistic episodes with thieves, prison breaks etc.
Brain Blaze just uploaded. I'm going there now to try to lighten up. The most serious "crime" to about there is how Danny and Sam are locked up in the basement. Allegedly 🔥
Doesn't an entire society wanting fluff instead of facing the horrors of reality prevent humanity from dealing with the horrors of reality.
The horrors of reality aren't supposed to be easy for a society that won't lift a finger to prevent it. It's the price they pay for feeling safe when they actually have never been safe.
@@similaritiesendhere yes!!! This is why I made myself read Mein Kampf, watch 12 Years A Slave and do many other things I don't want to. We have to know who the enemy is and how they think.
I saw a movie titled Pixote in the early 1980s about a street child in Brazil. Although fictional, it did a good job of portraying the abject poverty and neglect millions of children face everyday in South American countries. It's one of those films that I've never forgotten. It's this neglect that Lopez used to get his victims. Unfortunately, things haven't changed much since Lopez's crime spree.
The conclusion I've come to from listening to stories like this: we should prosecute abusive adults like we prosecute murderers. Because they're always at the bottom of it.
Statistics would say 30-70% of people were abused so maybe 20% were seriously abused how many became serial killers
Eh. Pedro deserves so much worse. He was not simply just a murderer. He also raped little kids.
Simon was so much happier and bubblier before this. I think this episode took a part of his light
The mad trapper of Rat River is an awesome story. A crippled man evading the mounties for weeks in the depths of a Northwest Territory winter in a untrackable wilderness. The mad trapper would have had to collect thousands of calories from the wilderness while on the run to survive what he did.
Oooh, good one. I read a book about this guy when I was a kid. And there is also a movie about him, too. David, look into this one. It's a fascinating story.
Have you heard of the North Pond Hermit? Dude walked out of his life and lived in a clearing in the woods for 27 years, the winters of which routinely drop below -20F. Drove the locals nuts breaking into their houses in the winter for food and magazines. No one knew who or where he was until he was caught. His case is an example of the justice system going right for once.
@@adde9506 Yeah, I've watched a few videos on that guy. His story is crazy. I live in a place with brutal winters and I can't imagine living in a tent during the winter.
I would love to see an episode on the Pizza Bomber case. It's been covered a fair bit, but I think it would fit Simon's style well and it would be really fun to see his reactions to it.
Did you see the Netflix documentary on it? That one was really well done.
@@lizc6393 I love that documentary.
I saw the doc, so it wouldn't be a ton of surprises, but it is a compelling case :)
Your 'born' and 'made' comparison is pretty much right on. I've been studying psychopathy for several years and even though most researchers are loathe to call a psychopath 'born' or 'made' there are definite genetic and social experiences that have a great effect on the adolescent brain and behavior that also translate into the adult brain function and behaviors - which do translate into some are naturally predisposed to psychopathy - born with it and some have social experiences, especially from in eutero to age 8 (approximately) or made into a psychopath.
Simon, as a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I just want to let you know that seeing and hearing you repeatedly express your outrage at this horror is so validating and encouraging to me. I get that it should be obvious and people shouldn't have to say it out loud, but here we are. I don't really know how to express it well so I will just say thank you.
I know it's a small thing, but just because I noticed Simon's confusion: using a mirror to check if someone is still alive is done by holding a small mirror to the person's mouth to check if they're still breathing. Even if their breathing is imperceptibly faint, it may still create steam on the surface of the mirror. Hence the expression "anyone that can fog a mirror" when referring to someone being indiscriminate 😊
"I can confirm that I read the comments"
Thank you, David. Since you may read this, I would like to give you a shout-out. Yourself, Danny and Callum and all fantastic writing staff. Simon really should upgrade your basement conditions, but that's life. Thank you for the great content. I await every new "cold read" script.
all of simon's outrage - i feel you man. i feel you. honestly dont get how david and callum handle researching these things, and hope they're looking after themselves.
Me too!! I love his tangents and his cursing!! Especially when he shouts and calls for the Death Penalty! Love ❤️ 😍 💖 it!!
This really makes me reflect on my own childhood, and holy fuck was I privileged compared to these children. Being poor in America is nowhere near this horrific.
Anyone else want to hug Simon and well the whole team after this episode? Simon in particular looking just ..done..
50 episodes later and finally watching this one, I can see why now Simon constantly brought this guy up as “nothing could be worse then Pedro Lopez”
Ahh perfect excuse for an extra 20minutes added to my lunch break good timing!
Good for you! I took the day off after working the last 20 weeks, enjoy your weekend!
Simon is increasingly becoming more of a Thanos justifying the lesser of two evils.
"Don't throw him out. Take him to therapy."
Yeah, Simon, because I am sure there was a plethora of therapists in el espinal during a civil war.
You're sure? Did you look into it or pull it out of your ass?
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN'!
Just look how happy Simon looks at the begging of this episode...he has a cold dead look behind his eyes now.. this episode changed him.. I love it.
Simon, you should ask your editor to compile moments of describing how much you love your kids so you can show them someday
Simon,I understand what you mean by "security". It was a situation that the child knew how to deal with. He knew how to handle situations where he didn´t trust anyone and didn´t have to rely on anyone. Having to be vulnerable and open yourself about an attack like that teacher did to him is TERRiFYING even if you are raised to trust your parents, let alone if you haven´t been, and the anxiety and shame (which such an attack pretty much always engenders) would have driven a kid like Pedro back into the streets to rely on himself. He knew what he had to expect. He knew there wouldn´t be anyone blaming him besides himself, and he knew if he was let down, it wouldn´t be because he had been carelsess and weak (in his definition of weak). Staying would have been tackling a horrible situation in a completely new way that would have been TERRIFYING for him. It would have been asking too much
What you are saying around the 21:00 mark makes perfect sense to abused people. When a child is abused to this level, living in an abusive, but familiar, situation can seem safe. It's "the devil you know" situation.
"Why not go after the predators?" Because those guys can fight back. Sorry you had to read this Simon. I appreciate how difficult this stuff is for a guy who has young children. Just so degenerates like me can listen to it.
Yeah exactly. Also the mind of somebody so messed up by their upbringing won't be super rational...
Wraps everyone up in burrito blankets and hands out soothing drinks.
That was one hell of a horrific story - and I’ve got a cast-iron constitution and generally don’t get upset by true crimes of any nature.
On a lighter note, I really appreciated the funny point of the theme music and when Simon was hopeful of a deathbed confession I clearly pictured someone saying “Tell Simon it was me.” GoT style.
Gosh dang do I love this man's voice. I've been falling asleep to it for weeks now. Simon, even with shocking content, you speak like silk sheets, gently coaxing me into sleep. Subbed every channel the moment I heard you speak. Cheers brother for many years I'll rest to your soothing voice and tangents
Having a daughter myself I can totally understand how Simon feels during this episode. It’s incredibly horrifying
I never understand why people need to bring up if they have a daughter or not. Are you implying you wouldn't be horrified by a serial child murderer if you didn't have any children?
@@nicholash1278facts . People with children are stupid unless they are rich and have 24/7 security and live in safe areas. People need to accept the full risk of having kids , the world is not a safe place .
@@jacobr2337 truth .
@@nicholash1278no there saying it's horrible no matter what but having gets makes them look at it in a different way that it hits them different
@@AaronCoats-vr5sz it's a weird thing to say. It's horrible, nothing needs to be added on to that.
Simon, your horror of child homelessness touched my heart. I went to Mexico City when I was young and took thousands of photos. One day I saw a small child sleeping in a doorway and lifted my camera to take the picture and a old woman walked in front of me and said, NO! He is dead! (NO! El esta muerto !)
I stopped taking pictures.
When I look at what I captured in the photos I had taken I see the children in a entirely different way. It breaks my heart.
why was he just in the doorway?
There are tons of homeless kids everywhere!
I like how in Simon's brain this very poor family has the finances to send their eight-year-old child to therapy. I mean it's sad but it sounds like these people couldn't afford food much less therapy.
Yep, and although some resource-poor societies can provide community support in the absence of formal therapy, you’re not going to see much of that within this particular type of civil war. To say options were limited is quite the understatement.
And the therapy didn't exist in Bogota in that time period either. If it did, it was run by foreigners and reserved for the elites.
@@nmxsanchez Agreed. They are likely to view the poor in much the same way as did the Police, as an unfortunate mass of indistinguishably cursed. Pedro's early life was beyond terrible, but it was likely similar to many others in the area. A systemic change was needed, but I wish he could have caught a break...would've spared so many lives.
LMAOO right??? I thought the exact same thing
@@bradharrah3339 yes it was similar
At the same time many kids in that period did kill others
And i mean he was raped after being on the street then after all the hell brought in by a family who cared for him only for a teacher to rape him again
Not to mention he saw common sexual violence at his home
Which heavily influenced his actions
There is Simon before Pedro Lopez…and Simon after Pedro Lopez! This one will stick with him forever!
Love your podcasts and especially your humour Simon..just wanted to um, mention that unfortunately there are many homeless children on the planet...I was one myself and also worked in human services as an adult. The amount of homeless youth in Australia where I live is shocking and well documented in social services. Many factors involved of course but mainly seems due to inadequate foster care services and adjacent care services
I appreciate that Simon is as hot and cold as i am with the death penalty. There's a point where you just can't fathom a world where people like this are breathing, despite the fact there are endless stories of worse people who just havent been caught. Heartbreaking.
There will always be ambivalence towards the death penalty. It will be true even if we reach the point of erasing someone's memories/personality and building a new personality/person.
The reason (my opinion) is that killing someone for their crime(s) is the ultimate rejection by society for their actions. The killing isn't a punishment, if it was we'd still have something like the Spanish inquisition around to met out punishment.
Instead it's more like your actions are so far out of what's socially acceptable that society is removing permanently.
People still want to remove the person but at the same time are against killing...conflict.
@@duanesamuelson2256 Just that the spanish inquisition was basically the one that killed the less people of them all and you have been brainwashed by propaganda.. Good luck.
It's not a question of whether it's moral to kill the worst offenders...
It's a question of how many innocent people it's okay to execute to make sure we can kill the worst.
My number there's right around "0". No justice system is that thorough and perfect...
Well if you are taking requests , might i suggest doing a video about Belgrade Phantom , no killing , just grand theft auto , set in communist Yugoslavia , late 70 i think , there is a movie on youtube i don't know if it has eng. translation . Plus a brake for Simon's psyche . Awesome video as always .
And we would get some good accents!!
Suggestion for a good fluff episode to act as a palate cleanser: Frank Abagnale. A criminal, sure, but I guarantee there is no murder, child abuse or torture to be found in his story.
I read a book on him. He was so cool >:] It would be awesome if he covered it!
I can only imagine the first thing Simon did after this episode was go home, hug his daughter, and tell her he loves her. And, fuck, I cannot blame the man. This is a heavy episode and there is no justice, just hellish disappointment.
As a retired psychiatric technician/nurse who worked in maximum security forensic psychiatric facilities with severely mentally ill criminal patients I have empathy for homeless adults. Most of them suffer from mental illness here in the U.S.
The quality of the research never fails to impress. I actually wonder if David or Danny would be able to uncover all that happened during the Arcade Comeaux escape in Texas near the end of 2009. I worked as a guard at the Estelle Unit, TDCJ during that whole thing and I still don't know what all happened. Got no clue how he got the gun in, who helped him, or how he could stand what he did to keep from being searched.
Might be a good episode. Saying, having been there, that whole thing was just plain wild.
Love hearing Simon get emotional and passionate about the cases. Gives something more to them.
I just want to thank Simon for his dedication to this show and to us, his fans, for striving to push on through these horrific stories.. I know they have to take a toll on his psyche & nerves with all of the horrific details of these depraved killers, but he is the upmost professional/entertainer/educator and I truly enjoy all of his shows, and love that he has a genuine heart and a real awesome moral compass. Thanks Simon for always stimulating substance in this and all of your shows!!!
This man really never stood a chance. He’s a monster, but was who was made.
After hearing Simon reference this episode in other episodes I fully expected him to get stuck in a “WHAT ARE YOU UP TO” loop right before his head exploded.
Simon you definitely haven’t crossed the line into exploitation or murder porn. That is one of the things I like best about your podcast, you are always respectful of the victims and never give power to the perpetrators by hyping them up or making them seem superhuman or more than the sad, pathetic people they are. Too many crime podcasts focus on the evil of the person which makes them seem a bit larger to life. This one makes them just bad, selfish and often stupid people. I really appreciate that. Their fame is diminished rather than enhanced by your treatment. Keep up the good work.
Agreed and well said
Even if descriptions of the crimes are unpleasant, I always enjoy hanging out and listening to you, Fact Boy. Hope you and your family had a wonderful holiday season and that no one told you about their crimes. (don't tell anyone, but I've made SEVERAL illegal left turns----shocking, I know. Now you're complicit in my MINOR TRAFFIC CRIMES!!!)
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I understand. I remember when I read about John Wayne Gacy. Having an adolescent son, I was traumatized and literally couldn't sleep for several days. Sometimes our fascination for these monsters breaks our minds. If you don't get at least a little upset by the stories of horrors, it may be that you should be concerned.
I'm considered by many (including myself) to be a bitter, jaded old man. I have a tendency to mock the very concept of "faith in humanity" (or just faith in general). All I thought of this episode going in is, "Simon keeps mentioning it in more recent stuff, I'd like to know why."
I now wish I didn't know why. You were right when you recommended people not watch this one. The sheer banal regularity of what he did, combined with the complete injustice at the end... I should have just read a dry synopsis.
My recommendation to anyone who read this before diving in: if you're going to watch it, do so in the light of day.
I finished this at 3 in the morning and I'm probably just going to stare at the ceiling until sunrise.
You never cross the line Simon. It's painful how hard you try not to let anything gratuitous get through. Nobody who tries that hard to nip the rubberneckers in the bud, can possibly be intending to spread murder porn.