Apple's last CRT - Review + Connecting it to a modern PC!
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Apple's last CRT is a work of art, but how useful is it in the modern era? Let's find out...
Since so many have asked:
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All of the connectors, components, and a power supply will have to be sourced separately. Info about what's needed is at the website of the gentleman who designed the board: www.jasondoesitall.com/adc/
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This man was just poking at the insides of a CRT while it was still on, I could never
As long as you know what not to touch, you'll be fine. They're not as lethal as most people think.
@@griffensander When on they sure are. If its off then I agree.
I think a better way to phrase this is: just because something can kill you doesn't mean you should avoid it i.e. driving a car, replacing a lightbulb, going outside of your house.. you just need to know where the risks are and how to be responsible and avoid them. And always have a plan for if something goes wrong (often having other people with you)
Another beauty, this video will age like a fine wine given how rare such well filmed videos are on such curios.
Such beautiful video. The Apple monitor, the jazz music, the tone of your voice, the camera you filmed with, all work of art! Thanks for this wonderful experience.
Wish I can get a hold on one of those monitors.
I have a screen of it with a calculator and keyboard. It costs € 700 + shipping.
I remember in elementary school 1st / 2nd grade when my school swapped out all of their old macintosshes for those colorful imacs. In addition the library had 2 g4s with these bad boys - which besides just being really cool were the first time i had EVER seen on optical mouse that blew my mind. I was an IBM fanboy at the time and actually wrote them a letter saying to get their shit together because apple has these new mice and they are getting more popular! i was a strange kid
You weren’t strange you had some big balls writing fucking IBM to get their shit together
@@helmi5045 i agree
@@helmi5045 they shoulda listened to that letter look where they're at now lol
My junior high school computer lab had a Dual 450 PowerMac G4 with one of these displays. I think this is the only display I've ever seen where I don't care what's on the screen, I just want to turn it sideways and stare at it. The fact that it also has a very nice picture is just icing on the cake.
Very informative and helpful! I am keeping an eye for one at a good price. Hopefully I can get one soon!
I have a screen of it with a calculator and keyboard. It costs € 700 + shipping.
love this channel
Sega Dreamcast? I see you're man of class and high taste.
If you like the Dreamcast, you might like what I play it on even more 😁 ruclips.net/video/yAM19E_KL5o/видео.html
I just picked one of these up and your video was super helpful. I'm working on building one of these adapters now.
Me too, i've just ordered everything. How did you do?
@@fernandochapa1433 I have not got it working yet, I suspect my power supply is not proving it enough juice. It shows up as a usb device but no picture.
I got all the parts as well. I'm struggling to understand the diagram. I got the resistors, what diode did you use? Also, are capacitors that go where it says "VGA Pwr", "USB Pwr", "ADC Pwr". Let me know. I'm about to start soldering. I also got the micro USB, but the large one seems to be a Type B USB.
I'm finding it hard to believe that was the only knife you had available, but it was glorious! :D
You deserve way more subscribers than you have now.
We need them back
Where is website which I can buy the Jason 's adc dvi vga adapter(assembled as in your clip) ?
It does not come assembled. You'll need to order the board from the link in the description and source all the components yourself.
I remember this monitor at my college graphic arts classes they were connected to powermac g4 computers of I remember well.
I love that the iMac G3 is a CRT monitor with a computer built-in out of the box.
Thanks! Really helpful! I ordered the same adapter.
And I have a question. Did you use not DVI but VGA port of the Jason's adapter? Do I need another DVI to VGA adapter?
If your computer has a DVI-D port and you have a DVI-D cable you can just use the DVI port on the ADC adapter because DVI-D carries a VGA signal. I just used a VGA cable and adapter because I didn't have a DVI-D cable.
Griffen Sander I see. I'll try after I get the adapter. Thank you so much!
@@griffensander DVI-D Does not carry a VGA signal. DVI-D standst for DVI-Digital. You can see how the connector is missing the four pins that go around the cross, and instead it just has a straight line in its place - those pins are what carry the VGA signal. You also get DVI-I (I for ntegrated) which carries both, and DVI-A (A for analog, although I've never seen one of those).
Is it possible to do this without the board? hoking up a VGA cable, USB cable and 24v power supply directly to the adc cable? or does it need the extra capacitors and resistors?
That's a bummer about the Dreamcast and lack of standard 480p =( still a cool monitor but that definitely rules it out for me
I have a dreamcast, mister, xbox 360 and a series x connected to my viewsonic crt and the result is glorious. But I wonder how looks an apple crt.
Thank you for yet another great video. I took inspiration from you and went and bought the board and other components out of JasonDoesitAll. I still don't understand the Gerber files, or rather what other electronic components (capacitors, diodes, etc.) I need to buy. Would you mind sharing those? I bought 3 boards from OSHPark (the mininum) and enough components from Mouser to build 3 adapters. Any help you provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
The diode isn't necessary, it just allows you to use the USB port's power to turn on the display I believe, but the power to do that is already supplied by the VGA and DVI ports.
The capacitor you need is "at least 30V and between 10uF and 100uF" according to the guy who made it (the link to his explanation is in the description of this video).
Hi! I'll buy one of your boards off you if youre in the UK! where did you get the ADC connectors to solder onto the board? I went through the route of buying an old video card with an ADC port and taking that from it.
I believe the eMac came out after this and also featured a crt. It may be the exact same panel!
Nice video! How did you score that ADC adaptor, I'm assuming Jason Does it All. Is there a link to it or a way to contact him to purchase one?
He's got the schematic uploaded to OSHSpark. You can order one there: oshpark.com/shared_projects/tUQ9np4l
2:58 is that windows 10 or 8.1? i see the w10 icon from start button but this is metro ui.
tell me to how to do that man im curious lol
I'm so glad you made this video! I have one of these monitors and I've been aiming to get it working with my macbook pro. Could you please shoot me the link to the pcb board that you used? Also, is that geometry adjustment software built into the G5's OS , or was it a standalone application within it?
I bought mine here: www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-DVI-to-ADC-Adapter-board-for-Cinema-Display-A1006-DIY-PCB/113788565793?hash=item1a7e53b921:g:Tq4AAOSwG59c5eu8
The adjustment software is built into Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 (and maybe 10.3 and 10.6, but I didn't try)
@@griffensander Thank you!
@@griffensander When constructing the adapter board, how many resistors did you end up soldering onto the board? I've nearly finished soldering my board, and I can see in your video that you soldered a blue resistor onto yours. However, when I received all my board components two resistors were included. I was wondering if the second resistor was necessary. Thanks.
Hi, thanks for this video. Just to confirm. If you connect this CRT monitor via DVI to that adapter it won't work right? Only via VGA right?
DVI can carry either analog signals (DVI-I), digital signals (DVI-D) or both (DVI-I). As long as your DVI cable and whatever is generating the signal is generating analog signal (DVI-A or DVI-I) you'll be fine.
this is why i only use crt monitor's and tv's when possible fro media of a date mainly anything from before 2008
Depending on the content I use them for modern stuff too. especially 2d animation, it just looks so good on a high res CRT, looks ridiculously smooth and the colour are way less jarring than an LCD for some reason
I'm surprised you have so few views.
Great video! I'm interested in picking one of these up, but worried about the VESA timing thing. Have you tried using CRU or Nvidia control panel to reach those other resolutions/refreshes on a Windows 10 PC? If so, was it successful?
I have, and while all the Apple resolutions and refresh-rates work when set manually in CRU, the only other resolutions I've been able to get working are 1280x720@64p and 1600x900@64p.
@@griffensander Thanks for the reply! So I ended up getting the monitor but had no luck with some 3rd party adapters. Is there a page with a step-by-step guide to assembling that DIY one you made in the video? I know absolutely nothing about soldering or working with electronics so I hope it won't be too difficult :0
Where did you get the custom pcb? i've been trying to find it and seems like the original website is down now.
You can order the board straight from the manufacturer here: oshpark.com/shared_projects/tUQ9np4l
Nice monitor. Personally, I would have fitted all the components, and not just arbitrarily left one off because it was hard to get. Especially as it was causing your G4 laptop to shut down. Seems risky to then plug it in to a bunch of other machines, including your main machine.
Also, why not solder a female PSU connector to the board, rather than just chopping the male end off the scanner PSU and permanently soldering it?
You should make it more clear what model this monitor is. Absolutely beautiful design!
It called the Apple ADC CRT Studio Display.
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The Apple DVI to ADC adapter doesn’t work?
Awesome monitor, been looking into moding an old crt computer monitor with a raspberry pi 4 in it for old video games. Just by chance, what game is that you're playing on the monitor? It reminds me of jet moto and wave rally.
It's called Hydro Thunder: Hurricane.
@@griffensander thank you
if there's anyone lurking down here who is looking to build jason's ADC adapter, i bought a set of 3 of the PCB boards as it was the minimum order number - id be happy to post the other two extras to anyone who doesn't also want to have to buy three of them :D
Hello, I'd be interested on buying a single adapter. Are they still available?
@@JakobKoblinsky hi yes they are! i have 2 pcb boards left :) feel free to msg me thru my twitter on my youtube profile or something if u like
I don't quite understand, so do I need that custom board or is VGA to DVI fine?
You will need the custom board to use this monitor with anything but an ADC equipped Mac.
I use translation so there may be something wrong with the text
If you like, could you please tell me the site where this adapter production kit and parts are available?
You can order the circut board from here: oshpark.com/shared_projects/tUQ9np4l
All of the connectors, components, and a power supply will have to be sourced separately. Info about what's needed is at: www.jasondoesitall.com/adc/
Thank you!
Do you know how to connect a modern mac to a high resolution CRT monitor? All active converters I find max around 720p and I can’t connect my nvidia 980 externally anymore after Apple removed support.
Just don't. Only Macs with original DVI-I Apple Video cards are allowed to connect to CRT's. Steve Jobs will come after you if you mess with CRT's on modern macs.
Theres currently one on sell on offer up that I have my eye on. No idea from the seller if it works. I offered a low ball of 35 as he has it posted for 130 so let's see what happens. But I wanted to know if there are any retro gaming use case for it? Would it be possible to run an Analogue(the company) game console on this monitor?
No, I doubt is would work with Analogue's stuff. It's really limited to PC and Mac use because it requires custom display timings.
You can buy one or a few capacitors on mouser…
So, the DVI to ADC adapter for the later LCDs won't work because the CRT needs too much power?
No, it doesn't work because it only carries digital video signals. The CRT needs analog video signals.
Apple did make an ADC to DVI adapter. They are rather common on eBay for 30-40 bucks.
Yes, but it's only for their flat panel LCD monitors. The CRT needs adapted to VGA.
@@griffensander Hey! i'm looking into buying this very same CRT and I was thinking in the official adapter, are you sure it does not work with the CRT? have you tried it before?
Manu Perez I tried Apple DVI to ADC Adapter. But it doesn't work with this CRT monitor. Now I'll try Jason's adapter.
@@manuperez6698 I haven't personally tried it, but I am certain it does not work. If you look at the DVI connector on Apples adapter you'll notice it's physically missing the pins that carry a VGA signal through DVI. Not only that, but people on various forums claim to have tried it and say it doesn't work.
@@griffensander Quick question here then, in the video you talk about less than 154hz (which is the max frequency it can output with old macs) this is because of the vga vs dvi?
Excellent video! What resistor did you use, exactly?
Thanks! I believe it was a 1k resistor, but it came with the board as a kit so I'm not 100% sure.
@@griffensander where'd you get this as a kit?
You didnt add a capacitor which the circuit is designed to run with, because you didnt feel like buying one? Is that right?
Ps4 uses really good shaders you should try It on one
Someone found a cute lizard in one of them.
psivewri lol
What version of OSX is your G5 running? Thanks!
OS X 10.5 Leopard.
@@griffensander Phew! What I was hoping. I've just bought a Power Mac G4 and a copy of 10.5.4 specifically for adjusting the geometry on my 21" Studio Display. However, there is very little info out there about when Apple removed support for older displays from OSX?
What's the exact model number of this display? Trying to find one, but I'm not finding that same clear casing.
I have no idea, and you have to disassemble the stand to get to where it's printed. It's usually called the "17 Inch CRT Studio Display (ADC)"
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Why are you still using Window 8.1?!
Is connecting is to a display port or hdmi a possibility or is it out of the question?
You'd need a Displayport to VGA adapter, then connect that to the custom adapter board (which you'll have to build). I'm actually using this exact setup to connect it to my 2013 Mac Pro.
Is this board has DVI port on it or not ?
Yes, it does.
Where is you buy the female adc connector to solder on your board ?
Their used to be someone on eBay selling them. If they're gone, it might be difficult to find one.
I pulled one off an old mac-compatible video card I found on eBay
@@NicheAsQuiche the know you mean the PCI card I used it ....but it was unsuccessful because I did not have the equipments to desolder the female adc from pci board .
@@paullak625 try a powerful heatgun, that way you can heat up all the pins at one. Or just destroy the board with pliers and cut it out and chip away until just the connector is left
@@NicheAsQuiche thank you soo much for confirm me about air hot gun and what is the VGA pwr. ,USB pwr. And ADC pwr. Signs on the PCB ?
Apple ADC To DVI Adapter not working on this monitor?
No, that adapter only converts the digital part of a DVI connector. This monitor requires the VGA part of a DVI connector to function.
Grácias
Hello, friend
Is it possible to purchase pcb now?
The schematics are available online. You would have to have a batch custom-made from a service like PCBWay though. I am not aware of anyone selling premade PCBs.
@@griffensander Thank you for your answer.
Was that not Dreamcast Hydro Thunder you showed running?
Nope. It was Hydro Thunder: Hurricane running off my PC.
@@griffensander Oh cool, I didn't know it got a PC port!
Btw Apple did male an add to dvi adapter. Look on eBay
Yes, but it doesn't work with the CRT Studio Display because it's only DVI-D. The CRT Studio Display needs DVI-I or VGA.
@@griffensander I said this already but you can get Hdmi-DVI-I adapters. You only have to buy the Apple A1006 DVI to ADC adapter and a HDMI-DVI-I adapter.
@@user-mt4ny2zw7t HI, did you try this?
@@user-mt4ny2zw7t The adapter doesnt have the pins for the analog signals. look up images of it. it wont work
Anyone reckon this monitor would be good for Super Smash Bros Melee?
can you confirm where you got the specs for the power supply? Does it have to be 5amps?
If a power supply does more amps it _should_ be fine, electronics should only drawn what they require, even if the power supply can technically supply more. However, poorly designed electronics may not limit their current draw, so when looking for a power supply when you're reverse engineering or hardware hacing like this its definitely a good idea to limit the power draw manually, either by selecting a poer supply with a max amps that matches what you need or having a higher amp power supply and using an amp limiting circuit
Damn I gave up on being able to connect mine to anything and donated it to a local Mac shop. I did use it for a time with a compatible Mac until that machine died.
Can you play light gun games on this you think?
If you would design games that work with this specific monitor yes.
Apple made a adc to dvi adapter for these
sadly the official Apple adapters are only compatible with their LCD ADC displays - they don’t have a large enough power supply to drive a CRT.
@@JBurg I believe its not the power supply, but that fact it only does DVI not VGA. ever case the official Apple adapters do not work.
@@tanuki2k it’s actually both! according to the specs published by Apple, the official adapters are capable of outputting 90w maximum. The 23” Cinema display (LCD) draws 70w at full brightness and presumably the smaller sizes even less, leaving a safe buffer so nothing overheats in the adapter. the Studio Display CRT draws ~113w and even if the official adapters passed VGA through they wouldn’t have high enough current to power it. I’d venture a guess that the omission of VGA pins on the adapter was an intentional choice to stop someone from connecting a CRT display to it and possibly starting a fire.
eMac: *am I a joke to you*
Apple actually sold ADC to DVI/VGA converters
ADC to DVI, yes. But the DVI port on that adapter doesn't carry the VGA signals needed.
Was literally about to buy one then you said it can’t be used for retro gaming
Sure it can be used for retro gaming. It will play Prince of Persia, SimCity 2000, Marathon, Marathon Infinity and such all wonderfully. A perfect MacOS 9 gaming screen.
I knew CRT's were old but I didn't know they still used carburettors.
The power goes down the same cable as the video! Wtf apple!
louis rossman couldnt agree more when he found a macbook that had shorted the backlight power (+50v) to the CPU cause they had pins that end up on the same cable directly adjacent to each other.
EDIT: Needless to say, CPU did not survive
@@NicheAsQuiche lol, the new desktop mac now has the ethernet and power mixed together. Apple always prefers "elegance" over flexibility or functionally.
Is there anyway you could build me one? Would happily pay you for the trouble
Just cycle to your local electronics shop and get a single capacitor. If either of the 2 doesn't work in your case, reconsider you place of living....
I pay you if you can make me one of these that would work with a Macbook Pro 2020 :)) being serious
Lol, if soldering a PCB that small was the most tedious thing in your life or you are very young or you have the most adventurous life!
0,02 nits.. That is a brighter then last gen Plasma TVs (they are darker) and of course the 9g Kuros.. If your Plasma has a black level of 0,2 nits.. this is really bad.. The worst case scenario Panasonic Plasmas have from 2008 to 2013 models is 0,1 nits..
Huh, I've wondered about that. I always thought my black levels should be darker, even though my plasma's not a Kuro (it's a late model Samsung). I wonder if there's any way to lower them by adjusting the voltages going to the panel...
@@griffensanderSome Plasmas have dials on the boards that can impact Black level.. But many dont. I have no experience with Samsung Plasmas.. Plasmas have made huge improvement in the last years, so the 2013 last built models are the best.. For example this one.. www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/f5300 or the F5500 model.. But a Panasonic 2013 ST60 for example should be around 0,01..nits.. So there is a huge performance difference in Plasma TV world.. But from the video, your Plasma looks great.. that high black level surprises me..
@@griffensanderAnd nobody is buying Plasma TVs.. People are happy if someone is picking them up. Prices are often way too high, you can ask for a much lower price and negotiate.. Often you are the only one interested.. It is a very good time to get one..
@@TheRealJohnHooper Around where I live, a late model 1080p plasma priced under $200 won't be on Craigslist more than a few days without selling. High end models like the 8-9th gen Kuro Elites will go for about $300.
@@griffensanderInteresting.. But are these the actual sale prices? I am in AVS Forums Plasma threads and they have a hard time selling Plasma tvs.. But it for sure depends where you live..