How to Shallow Your Golf Swing
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- Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2023
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The #2 teacher in the world joins us today!
Awesome to have someone like this on the channel. I would like to see you and Porzak golf collab sometime too! Good stuff Grant
He was lucky to work with the #1 teacher in the world
#1 in our hearts
Grant, I really appreciate your teaching points. Loved them back when you were with Good Good and glad you’re keeping them going here. You have a knack for teaching 😁
Really good stuff with the wrist angles. That was something that helped me a lot. The sensation I started trying recently with my driver was feeling like my dominant arm was throwing a side arm throw or skipping a rock. Improved my driving so much and I don’t slice the ball nearly as often.
I have this problem bad with all my clubs my right arm takes over everything
Hi Grant / Chris, had an hour pre round today and even though my lessons have been going really well, this explanation, and the feels re the logo down etc resulted in a really good round of golf, so good off the tee, pretty much scratch golf, and more importantly being a lot longer with all clubs , particularly driver, so thank you so much, amazing stuff ❤
That was a great instructional video for me, I’ve always heard swing to right, but when he said swing to right but allow hands to go left that set of bells in my mind and made so much sense. Where I’ve always swung to right it hit straight right
My coach drilled this into me with the wrists and closing the face by learning to swing the club left handed (im a righty) for a few weeks straight before allowing my right hand to get involved. His point was left hand controls the club face and the swing speed. Right is mostly torque. It was about another month of over drawing the ball before I found the right spot and gained consistency. That lull that you and FP talked about on the BDS podcast is real and this was the change that highlighted that the most.
I like how Chris is very straight forward with his lesson. I love it!
Been working on this lately and it’s helping my game tremendously, this video came at the perfect time. Thanks grant and love the content.
Once I’m able to get in for some lessons and get more of the basics down, I really want to try this out a bit more! Thank you for this Grant
Congrats...you are on a tear with these collabs.
Your channel is gold Grant! thanks for sharing !
Your videos have helped my game out so much already
Great video! Love the idea of not just using the term “shallow” but understand the concept of wrist action and face position. Very good info. Thanks!
This is the best explanation of this concept I’ve come across so far. I’ve been playing about 1 year. I know I’m swinging outside - in and likely coming over the top. I’m athletic and can square it up most of the time but that’s no way to play long term. I’m early enough in my golf swing where I don’t think I have ingrained bad habits yet.
I was at the range tonight trying this very concept, so the feeling I had was the club was shallowing and I was getting much better contact, I'm going to keep working on this through the winter
Good nuggets here. A word of caution about lead arm adduction: PGA Tour players, measured on GEARS, do Not, pull their lead arm way across the chest and pin in. They(Tour Players) keep their hands more in front of the chest in the back swing. Excessive hand depth in the backswing will actually cause you to flip and early extend. If the arms drop straight down, while you rotate, the club will shallow without thinking about it.
I love the tip about the rolled-off lead wrist position creating the angle in the downswing! While I strike the ball pretty well for an amateur, I am anything but shallow with my swing. Practice tee, here I come! 🙂
This is what i have been trying to do for the past few weeks, this was the best timing on a video ever
I m an almost 50 year young hcp 8 golfer with 2 hips replaced and a lower back full of scars that has never played a round without pain.
And still now I want to shallow my club and get a better contact and more distance 😅
If I can't get it going alone, I need some lesson with both of you🎉!
I need this
I love the closed to hold off feel
This was made for me thanks❤
Hi Grant - amazing job!!! So helpful. I was wondering when your playing how hard do you go - are you hitting at 80%?
This is great as am usually focused on just shallowing the club but not shutting the face, OR I get too focused on shutting the face from the top and forget to shallow....watch me forget this when I go out on the first tee box haha. Great stuff!
Was kinda feeling this yesterday. Very weird thinking it’s behind you. Then trusting that your turn will slick the club head out. Never hit a draw in my life but did yesterday due to this!!!!
I was wrong about Grant. The blokes class and his video's are getting better & better. Eventually he will probably be number 1 RUclips golfer creator.
The piece about the hands going left while the club head works right was an OHHHHH moment for me! I always had in my mind that an in to out swing path was the hands swinging out. Makes total sense now
Love to hear that
i pushed several today with that in mind.
Great video Grant !
I think this shallowing thing is also something that come up
With time while the rest of your technique gets better.
In my first year of playing golf I did try pretty much everything to get a nice looking swing by correcting literally everything by myself (I know…), turned out to take all My pleasure away since I couldn’t even hit a ball correctly why doing practice sessions , so I said F this sh*t. Played a year , getting more comfortable.
2nd year I focused on other stuff , gently heading into my 3rd year now , and this thing is on my bucket list but I just wanna be able ton play and have fun so I think the key is to practice the shallowing motion as much as needed , not trying to include it in your on course game until it comes naturally into your swing. I guess this can take months even years..
Gently but slowly ^^
The thumbnail is wild..Aint no one shallow like that still
Great info. Always enjoy your videos. Keep them coming!
Love this!
The clubhead and hand path concept was golden. I get it now!!
I had trouble focusing on the bowing/flattening with my left wrist. My coach suggested trying to feel the opposite with the dominant hand. So, instead of trying to flex (bow) my left wrist, the feeling was trying to extend (cup?) the right wrist and let the left hand follow it. Fixed me right up, so might be worth a try for anyone out there having trouble with the bowed-wrist feeling.
Yes, this is huge. My coach also told me this and it was a game changer. Some players might need to know this!
^^ This and practice hitting wedges with left hand only. Helps you learn how to use both hands and control the face
@mw03 very interesting! I have tendonitis in my left wrist so leading the bow always ends up hurting, forcing the feel in the right wrist and leaving the left loose may help!
Exactly what helped me out.
Great video! Very excited to try exercising this. Love this channel for learning.
Hoping that you can do a video on adjusting for environment. I play in northern illinois and see a lot of different seasons and the ground sure responds differently based on wet/dry and cold/hot days.
Key thing in swinging a club is that everybody is different. Some fundamentals apply, but if your swing is even a touch unorthodox, not many coaches, PGA Professionals can help you, when things start to go south.
Nicklaus had a perfect idea on this. It is every players privilege to own their own swing and figure it out. If you understand, what guidelines you follow, then it is easy to fix things even during a round.
I’ll try and simplify shallowing. The key for me was getting the club parallel in the backswing with a neutral or slightly cupped wrist. In the downswing, the club will naturally shallow.
This will change your game forever, once you get it. Left wrist bowed, and right wrist back are the same thing. It’s all according to how you can “feel it” the best. Don’t believe me? Hold the club slightly off the ground, and bow the left wrist back. Notice how the right wrist also cocks BACK. And also notice the natural forward shaft lean. This is key for strike, and a penetrating ball flight. There’s also a downward cock of the wrists in transition. I’m so glad they mentioned that. It’s often overlooked. Wrist positions are 1 of the 3 secrets to becoming scratch. The other 2 things are proper hip rotation, and right side bend through impact. Trust me. Your strike, ball flight, and direction control will improve dramatically once you get these 3 things working together.
This is it right here. This is the 🔐 Great vid @grant
Love to hear it
Your videos have help me so much with my golf swing 💪🏼
I like the notion of Chris’ not for everybody.
Key thing in any golf swing is that the clubhead follow your body motion. If you are off from the start there is not much one can do, except with a suoreme hand-eye cordination.
ideally, how shallow do you want to be? what do you want the swing path to be? how shallow is too shallow? do you want 2R? 5R? do you want to be closer to neutral? working on shallowing my swing, just don’t know how far to go with it
If you can tell us what exercise you do beside driving range practice, that will be great 👍!
When driver video? Explaining ball position with camera in front of and on the back!!
Great content keep it up G!
I hopped on board the shallow train years ago trying everything I watched on RUclips. Hurt my game. It’s a rabbit hole you don’t want to go down. This video made a lot of sense but what worked for me is the shallowing feelings you’re describing, but incorporating that into my backswing. The sensations and feelings you describe I feel at the end of my backswing and I would consider it part of my backswing. Ulnar deviation at the end of backswing helps me lose any thoughts for the transition and downswing which worked way better for me. If you’re trying to do these moves in transition or in the downswing, it’s too late in my opinion. Just want to share what worked for me.
Is it possible to be steep and have an in to out path? Ive noticed a significant loss of distance lately with my irons and the ball is going uncontrollably high. High high blocks or hooks. On trackman my numbers were between 3-7 degree in to out, and with iron was consistently hitting around 3 degrees down on the ball. I also am picking the ball clean off the turf and rarely leave any divot.
I dont get it, anyone who can help????
The difference between hand and club path at the very end of the video was an eye opener.
What would suggest for opposite issue ie to much from inside with closed face
Being shallow is so important! ❤
Yes sir
Does this getting shallow technique Apply to the driver as well
Would like to see a video on ball striking with irons, especially shots between 80-180yds; including common pitfalls and their solutions (low slice, chunking, weak distance)
Literally life-changing. Watched this at night and practiced the next morning with Step 1 in mind - swing is completely changed. Still lots to work on but it instantly fixed a long standing problem of slicing.
Hi Grant, can you please make a video on teaching how to shotshape, like draw, fade and stingers?
One key point that was said toward the end and what frustrates most "recreational" golfers is that improvement comes from the range and not playing a round once or twice a week. You have to put in the work and just bang out balls
Getting the club head behind you in transition is my main takeaway on this. I’ve tried forearm feels but that didn’t work as well as ulner deviation with wrists to get club behind you. Hit some really great shots with this feel but also hit some shanks. 😮
Como is getting IN THERE with the feels 😂
Nice video grant! Will definitely be doing this at the range today. Been having a hell of a time with a huge fade on my driver.
Where should the ball be. In the center of your stance or by your right or left foot. ??
Thanks for this Grant, one part of my swing that I just can't get to feel what I need to feel, regardless of what I do to get the club behind me, looking forward to trying this with the glove logo facing back, Chris is a class teacher 👍
Hey @GrantHorvatTeaches, I've been struggling with my 50 and PW after 14 holes, every shot starts left and draws 25 yards, last 4 holes on every round I can't even get close to a green, can you help please? Great vid by the way
This is exactly what I learned at golftec helped me got from 115/120 every round to in the 90’s hit a 92 the other day I know that’s not great to some but I’ve only been golfing for 2/3 years
Ive been at it for a yr and a half. Ive been through so many youtube vidoes my brains scrambled. I quit taking videos and although i was steeper than i wanted to be i learned how to hit the ball good with my irons. Shot an 83 at a easy course. Then watched my swing and didnt like the way it looked now im hit or miss with my irons and driver i cant keep on the planet so i have to hit my 3 wood off the tee. Right now my scores are averaging from 88-95 depending on what im doing decent or bad that day. Golf is hell😂.
Tried this today, striking it well but all shots starting left and drawing, how do you prevent this from happening?
I hit it a weak push right. Even when I turn my hands over at the bottom. Is it possible that I’m getting in front of it? I’m a three but have no distance.
I’ve started pointing my right elbow at the ground while at the top. Gives me that dj wrist and comes down shallow if you hold it close to the body. Used to be over the top terrible
Grant out here acting like he's learning something when this man's already got the smoothest swing on youtube
THIS IS BASICALLY A TWO-HANDED FOREHAND IN TENNIS!!! I mean exactly like it!!!
WOW. Been going though swing corrections for a few months now, taking videos and comparing to pros. I unfortunately never took a lesson so I never knew if my ideas for shallowing were correct. Hearing everything here is exactly what I’ve been thinking through the past few months and GOD I wish I had seen this months prior. It’s amazing to see you guys talk through the theory and mechanics. Loved the last bit about the hands vs club movement. Best video I’ve seen all year
I took lessons from Manuel de la Torre, who was the first inductee into the Golf Teacher's Hall of Fame. He also won 5 Wisconsin Opens as well as tons of other sectional PGA events. I know that if he watched this video he would be shaking his head and asking "why don't they just swing the club back and forward on plane?"
Oh I'm so excited! I think this is one of the biggest hindrances in my golf swing!
That smile from Chris 😬
Great video grant the title is perfect for the issues im haveing atm 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Love to hear it!
Grant what do you think of kawaswing?
Good video Grant, ever since I started bowing my wrist my contact has gotten a lot better but I pull shots a lot now.
Grant my misses are left even I’m not that bowed up top. What could be the issue? I rarely go right anymore and I don’t close my face at set up.
Yes!!
I’ve been working on this
This is my fix, ...?I can't wait to try this...
I've been working on shallowing the club recently for the same reasons as Grant. And when I get it right its great. BUT! That issue at 2:58 Ugh. When that comes out, its horrible.
great vid. i've had a lesson which explained exactly the same thing to me. when it was being taught to me i thought it was "casting" the coach corrected me very quickly. every now and then you see a coach on instagram explaining it the same way it is here and people have pretty negative reactions to the information.
Man I’m hitting it solid. Just club face always open at impact. It’s silly and I can’t figure out where I’m opening it. It’s not fanned open in the back swing so I’m just lost
Big problem with that grip but going flat is that the hand path gets kicked outward way too much, leading to over the top into impact
For me shallowing didn't make much sense until I understood as an over the top player I need the right arm extending/dropping down towards toes with hands (with left arm tight to body). Until this was demonstrated (Justin Rose has a great demo) I was going down a pointless road
Not a fan of this current shallowing trend. Assuming you have a good takeaway and backswing, your wrist angles and hand depth should be good enough that the downswing shouldn't need to have excessive shallowing moves to deliver the club on plane. For those who still come steep even with a good takeaway and backswing and hit a picture-perfect top position, the downswing thought should be keep the trial elbow tucked and deliver the hands down then rotate with the hands exiting left (for right-handed golfers). I think this idea of trying to shallow by manipulating the position of the clubhead isn't repeatable and will cause a lot of blocks because the club will be traveling too far behind the body's rotation. I think this is a great video that can potentially help a lot of people but I think "shallowing" isn't the most effective way to fix steep swings. Generally, a good backswing will allow a downswing with very little manipulation or thought.
how to compress the irons.
thank you
You have a teaching channel? Amazing! I've used so much of your knowledge. Luckily I'm plenty naturally shallow but I'll watch anyway.
good timing, i was at the sim last night for 2 hours working on those exact wrist movements
Eureka!
Would like to see dod king on this
Good to see a top class coach say that "shallowing" is not what people think and show on Instagram. This and creating "lag" are aged teaching methods.
Good video. Of course you can over do shallowing but the intent should be to shallow the club at the bare minimum. Not to mention i think Como know alittle bit about the golf swing.
This is 💰
So Grant, you’re a certified teaching pro right?
I have a steep downswing and I wanna be more shallow but I'm terrified of reinventing my golf swing
I get the "overexaggerating the feeling" of being shallow, but even the greats of all time will tell you that the golf swing is not this complicated. Swing your swing.
what should I do if I am hitting pulled hooks? heeeeelp 😢
I'm really steep. And try and get shallow. But don't have the issue of leaving the face open at all. Normally if I hit it bad I just pull it left. Just cannot for the life of me get the shaft coming thru the forearm like the pros do...
Me neither.
Where my boy George Gankas?!?! GEORGE! give these guys some Gsnap!
One of very few good videos on the topic of shallowing
is there any golf coaches in LA area that are hands on like this? lmk plz
Hey grant, just wondering whats wrong/ what condition do you have?
what?
Well I have same swing like Jim Furyk , looks so bad but he shot 58 right? I'm now scratch... it's more about comfort and body nature , stretch, speed etc... just hit the frickin ball😂 but yes. Few videos helped me to be honest... Victor Havland goes so off perfect arch and yet he is exceptional...
For the love of God ,,, after ,,, after yes after lessons upon lessons this Geezer sorted my swing out ... club pro sacked