Possibly the Best 3" Revolver Ever Made Coming to the US: The Spohr Club Edition
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves is at IWA 2023 at the Spohr booth speaking with Thomas Spohr, the founder of Spohr revolvers. Spohr started working on tuning Smith & Wesson revolvers before deciding to make his own wheelguns. These are top of the line, premium German handguns. Spohr has introduced a 3" version of his revolvers which he refers to as the "Club Edition," and it is specifically made for the US carry market.
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LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!! (*Shouting with fingers in ears*) I can't hear you so I don't have to want something I can't afford.
I've said the same thing about the 3 inch stainless Rhino, and this fine revolver is even more money. 😂
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What a gorgeous revolver that I will never be able to afford.
Yeah, oh fuck I mean this is Korth territory price wise.
I do understand but. Well I got a certain revolver made here the first or second year they started doing DA revolvers it's like a fine watch on the inside. Although outside it looks like it's been abused like a South Central pit bull. But really the company that made it has gone to shiite. Mostly cast and MIM parts And hat US company is pushing a grand or more for new revolver models.
So for me a new revolver would be something I save for. And look to Europe to buy from
If you live in the US yes you can, it’s a matter of priorities. Plenty of people on minimum wage could buy it with their yearly Starbucks budget, bringing a sack lunch to work instead of eating out or getting from the vending machine is another way many people could save. There’s also the simple matter of striving for more and not just accepting your current position and going to look for what your worth. Remember your only worth as much as your willing to risk and put forth the matching effort. I’m a high school dropout and I’ve got a collection of firearms, every job I’ve had I left when I found a new one that paid more and I’m about to make another change for the same reason.
Exactly
@@jaydunbar7538 That's stupid on stilts. Spend a grand on a NICE autopistol and still have $2500 to spend on ammo, training and accessories. Unless all you do is sit at home showing off your overpriced kit.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 Your comment is stupid on stilts. You are talking about two different types of firearms customer. Someone who would be interested in this is not likely in the market for another plastic wonder nine.
The best art pieces cost a lot of money. Somebody paid over 400 million for a Da Vinci and you can't even use it at the range much less carry it around. This revolver is art at its finest in the gun industry! Just beautiful work.
Even if I could afford to buy it I don't think I'd want to shoot it much.
That davinci is one of a kind. This revolver can be made by the millions.
Now that’s a beautiful revolver. I would love to get my hands on one when available. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Been a few on gunbroker for awhile now
@@borandagio807 thank you. I’ll check.
@@MDpolo
Check their configurator. Worth it.
@@onpsxmember will do. Thank you!
Saving since last year for a Spohr Revolver….love the quality and attention to detail
Sounds like you will never get one to be disappointed with 😂
@@boffa-deez you should. I carry cheap guns that do everything I need them to do.
I would consider it another high end brand joining Korth and Manurhin. Korth is doing something extremely similar with the push-button interchangeable cylinders.
Working in manufacturing, I know how expensive high grade steels are, how expensive post-machining heat treating can be, how expensive precise EDM cuts in triggers and hammers like this can be. Not to mention the polishing and finishing and fitting of everything to get a rather complex small machine like this to meet tolerance and function almost exactly the same from one model to the next. Lots of overhead costs involved in processing and lots of very expensive equipment involved in verification of metals and tolerances with a QC department. Tons of documentation. It's not inexpensive especially for a smaller specialized company.
Yeah I was pretty blown away by those triggers and hammers, I’m not an expert but it’s pretty rare to see EDM parts on a gun hahah.
S&W revolver rifling is edm. Super common.
@@bobjohnson1633 Rifling? I've heard of hammer forging over a mandrel. I've heard of button rifling. I've heard of cut rifling. I've never heard of wire EDM rifling.
@@exothermal.sprocket Its a big thing in the 3D printing scene. Its a simple but effective way to make it on your own.
the push-button interchangeable cylinder system isn't new though, that's been a staple feature on korths for decades, my 1982 korth razteburg sport has it (frequently used it with target grips since the grips block ejection of most rounds) though mine did not come with a 9mm cylinder
At least the good man just up-&-said "3-&-a-half thousand" & didn't try bullshitting us.
True. I love wheel guns. I might save up for it!!
Korth for a well established brand, about the same price range and already offering .44magnum as an additional caliber.
$$s or Euros?
I can buy a ton of much more practical iron for that coin.
True. But you'll be finding a pro gunsmith to make that iron function up to half the precision of one of these.
That thing is gorgeous! Love the versatility with the interchangeable cylinder.
Looks cool glad we're still getting wheel guns.
Still getting? There has never been a decrease in demand in the U.S arms market for revolvers, nor has there been a decrease in supply from both domestic makers and foreign imports. I don't get why you worded your comment the way you did.
@@hatchetwound666 The revolver market has remained the same since the mid 1990's in regards to civilian demand in the U.S. I never said autoloaders didn't own the lions share of the market, of course they do, but since police agencies across the nation finished the transition to autoloaders in the 1990's the civilian market has remained stable for revolvers. And pal, there is nothing new about this revolver in regards to it's basic operation and design. It functions off the same principles that damn near every other DA/SA revolver has for 120+ years. The last commercially-produced revolver that brought any real innovation to the table that I can think of was the Chiappa Rhino. Colt quit producing revolvers when they did because of internal financial issues within the company, not because of a decrease in demand. Ruger, Charter Arms, NAA, and Smith & Wesson continue to develop new models almost yearly. Kimber introduced a revolver line years ago that has done well. Taurus, RIA, EAA, Beretta, Uberti, Pietta, and others ALL import revolvers with strong sells. 38 Special/357Mag is domestically produced in higher amounts than any autoloading cartridge except 9x19. More 38 Special alone is sold in the U.S than 40S&W and 45ACP combined. You're just a kid that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.
Very nice impressive now let's see paul Allen's grips
"The tasteful thickness of it..."
It even has a watermark
The tasty synth intro to these videos has been stuck in my head for the past several days. I love it. Thanks James, appreciate the coverage and smooth delivery as always.
same, need to know what that track is.
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Beautiful revolver. I'm very happy with my old S&W Model 65 3" .357.
TFBTV content is second to none lately. Keep up the great work! You are covering things world wide that other channels just don't.
What a beautiful wheelgun. I'm more of a traditionalist when it comes to looks (smooth lines with no rails, and partial underlugs please), but I have to admit that these have a style all their own, and all forged parts plus hot-swappable cylinders are big pluses. The 3" barrel is the perfect size for carry while still maintaining some semblance of sight radius and muzzle velocity. It's always a joy to see a new offering in the revolver market. Thanks for showing this off, and here's hoping Spohr does well stateside. Also those grips were nice enough looking for what it's worth - Mr. Spohr did well!
I'd like to see some coverage of Alfa Proj's revolver lineup too. Wish RIA would import more of their 4" models (and excellent line of wood grips) into the US.
Long barrel and partial underlug is an underrated style. You'd think companies like Smith would be able to sell more since their most famous gun is a partial underlug.
@@f38stingray I wholeheartedly agree. It's hard to find a prettier looking magnum than a 5" S&W Model 27. That partial underlug gives the silhouette of it such a timeless look.
I’ve got a 4 inch 29-1 smith (pinned and recessed) and a newer 686+ with a 3 inch barrel and I have to say that 7 shot 3 inch my favorite gun I own
You can have classic lines, custom options, finishes, slim or wide trigger. Spend almost an hour on that page.
Same old school senior here. I am not into magnums so I am happy with my vintage 38 Special S & W Model 36 with a 3" barrel.
The concerning part with these boutique revolvers is servicing. I don’t know how Nighthawk does with Korth but Beretta/Manurhin if anything happens you’re going to be waiting a long time to get that thing working again.
Ya & in 5-10 years when they go bankrupt & they no longer exist, it will be a $4,000 paperweight.
They don’t break. Specially Manurhin revolvers.
You don’t need that type of revolver he said it himself in the video.
All those internals, the steel they use, finishes...look at the configurator. I'm sure they'll build a partnership in the US if there is any service needed. It makes total sense, cause they build on interchangeable setups like weight, size, caliber, sights, trigger width for competition restrictions/customer wishes.
@@Provo647 bullshit they don’t break, go look up the issues people have had with them then tell me about it. Don’t tell me what’s on the sales brochure or about the gign raid, blah.
Revolvers are making a comeback
Great job, James. I have fallen in love with this revolver & I must have one. You sold me (not directly but through your review) the 10mm CMMG Banshee & 2 other gems since. Now, this revolver is in my sights. I hope I get the chance to own one. I may have missed what calibers they come in...I'd prefer .357/.38
Very nice pistol. Makes that $900 GP-100 357 that I can't afford look like a steal by comparison.
And you would most likely be no less capable with either.
Save up for that gp100 - it’s a better revolver than anything smith or colt is putting out- much less the insane luxury items like Korth and Manhurin
I have one an there amazing! I have rosewood Hogue grips on my GP100.
It depends. A Toyota Camry will take you from point A to point B. So will a Ferrari. Owning a Ferrari is more than point A to point B, it’s taking pride in ownership of a highly engineered mechanical device, a symbol of achievement and success. Same can be said about a cheap Timex watch and Rolex.
@Daniel Aramburo sure. I just wasn't aware of such a pecking order at the range. Then again, the Mac tool guy sneers are my four stacked Craftman toolboxes that contain mostly tools that are 40-60 years old too. To me, weapons are tools and I've never seen a craftsman drive a Ferrari, but I get your point.
Thanks James!!! Appreciate all your interviews!!☝️👊😉
4:57 look how smooth and effortless that hammer and barrel rotation is.
This gun is like a Lamborghini, as much as I'd love to own one, there's no way in hell it's that's ever happening.
Very cool revolvers and I’ll take that one with the hand made first edition grips.
Thx for the Video. I had been waiting for this information.
Cheers 🍻 👏
I'm about to have a review of a brand new 3" .357, just got back from the range, but it is just a tad bit more budget priced then this. I dream of testing something like this or a Manurhin someday. This does look very, very nice!
I'll probably pick one up. That and one of the Manurhin MR-73s through Beretta. Still prefer the looks of a 4" barrel.
Really? Bring it down to Florida. I got some lovely swampland for you to buy.
I have a hard to find 3" inch Taurus you might desire.. all machine cast.
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Get a 3" for carry. Get a 5.25" for everything else. hahaha
Or buy two GP100 and have them both customized.
Started on revolver’s in the 70’s. Love it looks great.
This is something I might buy at retirement to celebrate. Beautiful pistol that’s outrageously priced despite being worth every penny.
That’s really nice im surprised they didn’t make a hamerless model too.
Cool and all, but we need more 6:00 positioned barrels so we can take advantage of the space that creates for mounting a red dot without having a stupid high vertical footprint.
It is a great looking revolver and I'm sure it is high quality but I love my 3 inch S&W 686+ that cost less than $900 and holds 7 rounds.
I get the idea and the great materials that go into it but I can buy 4 quality revolvers for the same money and they're American made by America workers. This is absolutely beautiful and I would really like to shoot one at some point. The interchangeable cylinders are a big plus as well.
Yeah there is no reasoning on that price.
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I agree. Some people have that kind of money to spend and they may like to pay extra to have that status symbol. There are some people that are saving their money just to buy one. To each his own but I'm happy saving money and still having a great revolver. Stat safe.
I just polished the action on two S&W 638 revolvers. Stunning shooters! Absolute delight to carry!
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Two huh? Showoff, lol. 😅😂
Now you got me thinking about a 6 inch version. Thanks? 🤑
Man I want a Club 30 badly, but it’s soo hard to justify the cost.
Something I learned about 3" revolvers. They shoot MUCH better than 2" revolvers. I was surprised. I went to the range with a 2" Ruger LCRX 38, 3" Ruger LCRX 38 & a 2" LCR 38. I expected the DAO LCR to be dead last. Nope, I shot it about as well as the 2" LCRX at 7 & 10 yards. DAO vs SA. Not a big difference. Now the 3" LCRX. MUCH tighter groups! It shot nearly like a 4" service revolver. I was amazed what that extra inch sight radius did. Also probably adds another 50-100 fps. When possible I carry the 3 LCRX.
Beautiful, and of course, great German engineering and design !!!!
Wish the cylinder release latch was more inspired by Colt than S&W. But I do like this improvement on the classic double action defense revolver.
Club 30 revolvers are honestly on another level
Those revolvers are on a different level.
I'll never own one but I can definitely see the appeal. Hey, it's cheaper than a Leica; and it can save your life while looking good at the same time!
This is a lovely revolver. I wish Colt and S&W would get off their dead ass to again offer a 3" alloy frame 38/357 revolver Made In USA 🇺🇲
You would seriously pay $3.5K for a wheelgun? That's style WAY over substance.
@@eloiseharbeson2483 no, not at all, but both Colt and S&W used to make 6-shot .38 revolvers which cost about $350-$650, and would serve as well. This Spohr revolver is an example of what American companies SHOULD be selling.
@@boffa-deez my feeling is that the old model Colt Cobra and S&W Model 12 were never ugly.
When Smith produced their scandium guns, nobody bought them because they hurt your girly little hands.
I have a 2.5" 386 and maybe say that it is stupidly absurdly fucking awesome. My 44 magnum nightguard or 4" 500 aren't THAT bad. A scandium 357 is no big deal.
Adjusted for inflation Smith used to make revolvers that cost exactly what they still cost. A python was $1500 equivalent 40 years ago.
Mounting a reddot at the front seems like it will really compromise holster fit.
7 round S&W 686+ will be a better carry option anyway.
Looks pretty though.
That’s a huge amount of bucks for a revolver . Specially since you can buy a smith and Wesson or ruger and many other good guns for under a thousand bucks . And at the end of the day they both do the same job !
I owned a 3" ruger sp101 357 magnum for many years, it was a great gun except for the fact that only held 5 rounds.
That’s true, but it can double as a war club.
@@frankb4517 that's for sure, lol
That's why Kimber invented the k6 in 2,3, and 4" barrels
How was the accuracy and recoil out of the 3 inch barrel compared to a 4 inch barrel?
We may finally be to the point that red dots on carry revolvers becomes a thing, and I welcome it.
A new Revolver so cool and awesome
i'll take 2 one for each hand. never seen one in a store or at a show, can't wait.
A 3" barrel on a revolver is perfect for concealed carry. I don't understand why 2" was ever a thing. But that sticker price...
2" makes sense. What I don't understand is why 1.875" was ever a thing.
1.8" on a Chief Special is perfection. Everything has it's time and place.
Suddenly $1600 for a colt python doesn't sound too bad.
Cool 👍
It would be nice also an even smaller concelaed carry model with hammer not exposed (anti snag).
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Man that looks really nice! Definitely the Wilson Combat of revolvers
Beautiful pistol. When’s that Revo Arms footage coming Mr Reeves? We’ve been waiting for a year.
Why aren't all revolver manufacturers milling frames for optics?
Taurus is 🙂
Words cannot adequately express how simultaneously delighted and horrified I was that Taurus was the first company to launch a standard production optics ready revolver for concealed carry.
I’m so glad that it’s finally happening (and it freaking took long enough) but… man, S&W and Colt really dropped the ball there for Taurus to beat them to it.
Because you can just throw a damn rail on.
Better than Korth revolvers? Would be nice to see a side by side review.
I'd wager the double action is better for sure, spohr's are essentially S&W 686's made as well as one can feasibly make them and i'd rate the S&W style double action over korth's any day of the week
at least going by the reference of my own '82 korth ratzeburg sport .357 at least, not sure if the modern korths have improved the double action at all (mine is incredibly smooth but the pull is such that it is incredibly hard to keep sights on target since all the weight basically concentrates in the middle of the travel after which minimal pressure increase will rocket the trigger to the break and you end up throwing off your aim because of it)
i plan on getting one of these spohr/club 30 revolvers one day once my budget allows it, right now it has to recover until at least 2025 because (unsurprisingly) buying a korth and a manurhin ontop of another bunch of other guns takes a big fuckin chunk out of multiple years of it
That might be both the most coolest looking and most beautiful revolver I’ve ever seen.
Absolutely a beautiful pistol.
With all the 7 & 8 shot revolvers out there now days maybe that should become the new standard in the 9mm/38spl/357mag calibers. I understand the big bore stuff needs to have fewer because of the size. I love me Smith and Wesson model 327 in 357mag/38spl. 8-shots plus moon clips so fast unload and reloads too. I'm considering the new M&P R8 that came out. Who ever said 38spl/357mag was dead is very wrong it's just as strong today with all the new shooters coming out. It is the best to learn on if your a first timers with firearms.
The best 3 inch revolver was made long ago. Smith and Wesson Model 10 or Model 13 with the 3 inch barrel. Perfect everyday wheel gun. But ---- it is NEW! Di I mention it is NEW? Appears well---how much?
I hope they bring that quick caliber swapping technology to affordable pistols too
My Taurus 692 Tracker also uses a similar push-button swappable cylinder. So much cheaper for me to shoot 9mm instead of .357!
Yeah Taurus already did that on the 692 and 992, both of which I own. Good guns, and I'm a twat S&W fanboi
James really is the best interviewer in the industry.
Ill be happy with a Colt Python 3".
I generally have no problem with MIM parts but they do limit trigger pull in regards to lightness.
That's astounding beautiful; I'd love to get my hands on one of those
Wowwww! Beautiful. Very interesting revolver. Would be nice as a 7 shot 357 and maybe a 9 shot 9mm. Can’t wait.
James; 2.75 -3” .357
carry revolver ; first pick?For quality , function and accuracy ?
Wow! For Manurhin, Korth, Spohr revolvers costing sooooo much, the USA distributors can't keep revolvers in stock. For example, the Manurhin MR73 costing $3,,800 has a waiting list of 1.5 years !
Well those are the 2nd-4th best manufacturers of revolvers in the world. Only better revolver is a Janz, which Cabot guns sold like six of for $13,000 through like $30,000 (for interchangeable barrel and cylinder model). They are unobtanium
I usually prefer a 4" barrel but this in 3" could well be a nice edc gun (maybe a large edc one!!)
3 inch barrel revolvers are roughly the same length barrel of a 4” semi auto. The cylinder acts as the first 1” or so depending on caliber. These 3” super revolvers (if like korth) are tack drivers.
Beautiful piece!
Best 3” revolver is a 2.5” smith and Wesson 327PC which this channel did a great review of. 8 shots 357mag, end of discussion. However, Smith and Wesson could learn a thing about the rail mount and cylinder change with the 8 shot capacity. Being able to shoot 9mm is super cool and cheaper.
You're clearly wrong. The 327 is the wrong frame size. 686+ slaps.
686+ gang!!!
1 more for 686+. But I'd sure love to have a 627 and a 327 to compare, hell let's throw in a Model 27 classic too.
the thickness and blockiness of that revolver is 10/10
Once I all saw those comments about affordability and cost, the fleeting thought of finally getting a revolver just went up in smoke.
So when James is out doing these international shows do they just put Hop in dry storage?
Sweet looking piece.
1. It’s a VERY handsome revolver.
2. There’s no way in hell I’d pay 3.5K
Wow. I didn’t expect that much.
@@superdacoolman LOL they're $5k now.
I like that revolver. I am patiently waiting.
Too bad they didn't go in depth on the trigger and internal design. I would like to know how robust the build quality of that trigger is before I laid that kind of money down. The trend toward MIM internal components on some high-end wheel guns makes me think reliably and durability issues.
One of the best atteibutes of this revolver is the size of the trigger. The configuration of the weapon is ideal.
James meets Science Officer Spohr.
The cylinder and frame release button design seems similar to the Taurus 692/992. Maybe that’s where the inspiration came from?
Add that to my list of post-retirement guns, right after my first Manurhin. Or maybe Korth.
_edit - Cut for moon clips would be nice, too._
Love that there is a 1913 Picatinny rail for optics
Hittin' up a lot of booths looking at revolvers, James. :p
James was on his knees and making the OOH sound for that gun.
guys I'm on the fence Korth or Spohr. I doubt I get the chance to personally handle either until the order is placed. Anyone have experience with both?
$3500 would be a steal compared to a Manhurin or similar. It's basically a production full custom carry.
3.5k is roughly what the club30 model costs in europe, considering the MR73 is 3k and under in europe i'd honestly be surprised to see it at 3.5k USD in the US
@@RobinVerhulstZ The Spohr 562 and 284 are available for 2,499€ in German stores. They are substantially less expensive than the Club30 revolvers or Korth.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 the barebones L562/284 without DLC coating are indeed significantly cheaper but the 3" in the video is based on the club30 model which is definitely way more expensive (especially when you let yourself go with the configurator)
Since I won't carry one of these concealed. I would love to check one of these out in a 4 inch. If they even offer such a thing.
That is one superb handgun!
Not a fan of revolvers, don't really care for them, but this piece makes me want one lol.
Beautiful revolver only thing I found that he said that might be wrong with it is the polygon rifling which is going to be a problem shooting lead 357 and 38 through it.
I'm not sure why, but a lot of the Club 30 revolvers (they usually do high-end mods of S&W I think) use polygon barrels. I'm not sure if it has to do with .357/9x19 compatibility or if they can actually make the polygon barrels more precise. Usually bulls-eye target guns don't feature polygon barrels, I still haven't found out why Club30 is so into polygon barrels. But they seem to work very well as bullseye target guns.
You're not supposed to shoot lead. You paid a gagillion pesos for the damn thing want want to use 10¢ loads.
@@bobjohnson1633 I don’t know about you but I would rather get more shots down range and become proficient at it. Then pay 3 times the money and not shoot as often. Plus some of the best defensive loads are lead. I know it’s hard cast but you will still get some lead fowling.
For people saying "I'll never afford one" there's an easy method. It's what I do. Have a little extra taken out of your check each week. If you can afford to, 50 bucks extra will be 2600 in a year. And most of us spend 50 bucks or more on stupid crap each week. It's like a savings account that you can't touch.
Eat like a poor man for a year. Problem solved.
Theres no MIM parts in classic revolvers from the 60s and 70s either, sweet wheel gun but for that price point I'd go with a classic smith model 66 in 3"
That shit is freaking beautiful
Not a bad price. Expensive compared to a ruger, but for someone with higher income and someone who appreciates the amazing quality and engineering that you are buying…. It’s worth it.
I like everything about that look forward to the review
That is a gorgeous gun flat out
Would love to see this in Hickok45's hands
Damn that’s sick!!!!
Do they make an 8 shot version for the US market?
unless they introduced and 8 shot here that answer is unfortunately going to be no since they're currently only doing L-frame sized revolvers in-house afaik
@@RobinVerhulstZ , yeah that ain't gonna fly in the US market than we'll because 8 shot revolvers are more badass that 6 shot revolvers, above been eyeing for an 8 shot revolver for some time now
@@RobinVerhulstZ, they Need to start making N Frames
.....Korth has entered the chat.
I really like my 3" Chiappa Rhino, but this revolver looks leaps & bounds way nicer.
For 4x the price, it should.
Getting stabbed with a rusty knife looks leaps and bounds better than a chiappa rhino
Damn that looks good
Is the barrel one piece of is it in a sleeve or shroud or whatever?
I will be buying, thank you.