From the 50th anniversary special Eleven: I could be a curator. I’d be great at curating. I’d be the great curator, ha ha. I could retire, and do that. I could retire, and be the curator of this place. Curator: You know, I really think you might. Eleven: I never forget a face. Curator: I know you don’t. And in years to come, you might find yourself revisiting a few. But just the old favorites, eh?
Ncuti exudes the energy of 11 without the pain, and grief... I have a feel the chemistry between him and Millie will be awesome, since I just met the guy and I love him already.
I think he has boldness of 9, playfulness and youth of 11 and he gets the witty punny part from 10. And obviously other Doctors those three borrow from.
I think its because they are both the Doctor who were healing. 11 was the Doctor who was the one who was healing and learning to let go of the War and everything he had to do, still angry but he was learning to let go. Ncuti's Doctor is like he said hes the one who IS healed cause 14 finally went to therapy for all the trauma of the past and the Horrifying shit they went thorough as 12/13. It like the 5 stages of grief out of order 9: denial, 10: anger, 11:acceptance, 12: barging, with 13: depression with her life almost starting a new round.
It really says something about how loved Donna is as a companion. The Doctor settling down is slightly less controversial because it's with her and her family.
@@jf175 Well Susan is stuck in the future with her husband. But would have love it if he say goodbye to Donna one last time before leaving to the future to see Susan again.
I'm only hoping all this nostalgia that's been happening bleeds into my personal life, that all my hope and love in life return and I get a happy ending like Tennant and Tate did.
27:24 I keep thinking about 15's wording there. He says, "I'm fine because you fix yourself. We're Time Lords. We're doing rehab out of order." He said it like he is somehow already benefitting from the work that 14 is going to do to fix himself. They want to build this Whoniverse thing. There are going to be spinoffs. Also, 14 has already travelled a bit since he bigenerated. He apparently took Rose to Mars and took Mel to Gilded Age New York. I am completely fine if they just leave 14 where he is. It is a wonderful happy ending. But they may also be setting up for some kind of spinoff (even if it's just the occasional movie or special) where he confronts and works through the grief and trauma of his past. Maybe by occasionally travelling for that purpose. Could be a lovely way to revisit some of the characters he went through those experiences with. Then, when he's had a life (and Tenant is done with the role), maybe he merges back into 15 or whoever the current Doctor is at the time. So they benefit from that rehab and the total consciousness of the Doctor eventually ends up back together. Could be interesting.
It also works for the reboot idea, all the baggage and trauma of 60 years stays with 14 as he works through it with some self healing and therapy, which as a result because 15 is from the future, he gets all that healing pre-set and ready to go. It allows new international viewers to watch without having to NEED 60 years of stories worth of lore. So if a viewer wants they can stop and retire with 14 or go on and continue with 15. It also parallels real life a little, RTD left when he did because of his sick and disabled husband, who needed alot of care and he didn't want to go but did because his husband needed him, Tennant left with him because they were a pair of friends. RTD loves the show still and I think part of him had the Bi-generation because it is like if he had stayed and his husband was still alive too.
@@chazo1367 In regards to the 60 years of lore bit, the Toymaker also basically said "canon is whatever you believe" with his admission that he played with the Doctor's past like a jigsaw.
@@IceMetalPunk So would I. And that could be another breadcrumb. It could have just been a throwaway funny moment. Or it could be another clue that Donna Noble's time on screen is not done yet.
Every reaction I've watched has been positive, with only one exception and that was someone who got spoiled (probably by some of the 'I'm determined to be miserable' crowd) and went in prejudiced against it from the start (and even that one didn't really end up as negative as it could've been).
hardly, I've noticed woke people and members who subscribe to "the message" in reaction videos tend to love it where as heterosexual and people who actually think for themselves and dont wear fanboy glasses can see how God awful the show has become. And then you got RTD saying "a heterosexual man can NEVER play a gay person." Oh and btw Tennant is straight, playing a gay Doctor. Hypocrite, thy name is RTD
@AzguardMike A: heterosexual, 65, old enough to know what I have chosen most my years...and to have seen a wide range of natural sexualities. B) Definitely think for myself...and make my living doing so. Writer, editor, researcher. C), fanboy glasses never fit well. You dismiss all of us who fail to see this like you, and assume you're right--it's Godawful--instead of realizing that "good" is a pretty subjective analysis, and "Godawful" even more subjective. Enough people--ordinary, heterosexual, independent-minded people like me--like it to suggest it's not just a matter of brainwashed thinking. It's people enjoying different directions, that's all.
The great thing that I think happens now with David Tennant's Doctor is that he can now become The Curator from the 50th Anniversary where he can go back to his "favourite faces" while the other Doctor can carry on his adventures
Man I fuckin loved this special, genuinely spooky at times and a wonderful heart warming ending. Also what a introduction for the next doctor, cant wait for Christmas
RTD deserves props for going all in on making these game-changing decisions. It honors the past, brings new life into the series, ensures the future of Doctor Who for years to come. I totally understand if there are some who hate it, but that's what happens when people love something.
It's set up so that if the viewers who hate it want, they can leave and "retire" like 14 does, whilst people who are happy continue with 15. Basically the reboot is the best of both worlds. They don't want to require 60 years of knowledge for international viewers to catch up with for the new series so this way all the baggage is wrapped up with 14 and 15 from the future as a result is all fixed up and basically becomes the fun loving Doctor from the very old days.
I think that hits the nail on the head about bigeneration, it's bonkers, it's wild but it only additive to the character. It doesn't delete anything about The Doctor or their history.
My theory: The Not Doctor said that he and the Not Donna wanted to go to the universe to play "vicious games". The Toymaker said, "My legions are coming." What if the legion are the Not Things, pulled over with or as part of the Toymaker's realm?
From what I remember of the 3rd doctor, UNIT's shoot first, ask questions later mentality was a big part of those storylines, though it has been a couple of decades since I've watched them. So in answer to the question... pretty much forever.
in the 50th anniversary special, the current Doctor got a visit from a future incarnation, advising him on what to do next. In the 60th anniversary special, the current Doctor again got a visit from a future incarnation, advising him on what to do next. The Curator helped 11 find a reason to keep going, and 15 helped 14 find a reason to stop and focus on himself.
I'm so sad that Bernard Cribbins was too ill to do his part in this final episode. I would have LOVED to see Wilf in the final family scene. He was there for the table read... but when it came time to film, he was just in no condition to do it. :(
"Five Rounds Rapid" was a catchphrase for Kate's father, who was the former head of UNIT and a Brigadier General. UNIT's always had a militant touch to it in regards to the question on the response methods.
I know some people thing Ncuti was overshadowed in his own premiere but I couldnt disagree more we usually get a line or so from a new doctor and half to wait to see where the pick up is and who they are but we already get SO much characterization for 15. He's happy go lucky, sassy (Honestly im getting such Eccleston vibes and im so for it all) and all too excited to get out and see the world again and I cant wait for what he has coming up next
I think he had a fantastic premiere, better than Capaldi's or Jodie's. I think having Tennant around at the same time actually helped, because it showed that Ncuti could stand toe to toe with someone considered great already, and he hasn't even fully settled into the role yet. I'm really looking forward to the next season.
His trauma goes all the way back to the old series. He dealt with a lot in his 14 versions(well 15) and never took time to recover or deal with it all. So this means 15 is starting again, chilled refreshed. Having left all bad memories with 14. That's also why the next series is season 1.
and to thin this is the queer boy who started out as Doogie Howser, MD? Never in a billlion years could we have imagines him as one of the most terrifying Who villains ever, even if he ends up a one-of.
Just rewatched The Runaway Bride for Christmas, and at the end Donna said that the doctor needs someone to "stop" him. She did it 15 years later. DAMN YOU DOCTOR WHO!
Me: No Nopey Nope. Creepy cannibalistic dolls, my worst nightmare *swiped aggressively at imaginary babbies on shoulders* Also Me: Colours of the World! Spice up your life! Every boy and every girl! Spice up your life! People of the World!... What an episode! So SO happy that David's Doctor didn't die and gets to just... live and really looking forward to seeing what the latest Doctor will get up to. As always loving your reaction. ❤️ Also I feel like I should add, as I'm from the UK, that Spice Girls was THE band for me when I was in my early teens lol.
The Celestial Toymaker. Think of him like The Collector from Marvel, except his existence is based around games, he never cheats and he can't be killed, such is the life of an immortal being who can reshape reality.
For the record its just The Toymaker, the special he first appeared in is called The Celestial Toymaker but even the 1st Doctor just calls him the Toymaker
I have been waiting decades for the Toymaker to reappear. As a child The Celestial Toymaker was one of my favourite stories. As Doctor Who was often repeated during school holidays in Australia I think I saw The Celestial Toymaker about three times. Now three of the four episodes are missing :(
Absolutely loved this and your reaction to it. Knew the fakeout would get you. They have the whole build up, the music, the final phrase, feeling the mavity of 9-14's whole history, it was done perfectly and if it had been a normal regeneration it would have been ok. Only to completely bamboozle us in the best way possible. And giving us a happy end, also great social commentary that even tho it wasn't subtle, didn't overstay its welcome in the plot. It was just the setting. Also just loved that music number. Puts Q's mariachis to shame :D
I hadn't really thought about the fact that RTD was the reason that the Doctor was always regretting his past. It's amazing that everyone else chose to stick with it all this time. It will be refreshing.
I am soo glad that someone gets the idea of just embrasing the chaos/whimsy of the show. I have seen some very angry people online responding to this episode. Most don’t see the irony of what the Toy Maker was saying obviously lol…I absolutely loved the episode and I am up for whatever is coming down the road. Sad no one lets anything breath anymore and giving it time to see what the plan is…then maybe make up your mind? Anywho thanks for the fun reaction I love watching you two react to all my favorite shows and I love me the trailer palozza’s keep them coming ✌and Allons-y!!!
It’s crazy how 10/14 went from having the most tragic life to possibly the best possible and happiest one of all of the Doctor’s incarnations. Definitely reframes his first “I don’t wanna go” regeneration scene. Not mad at all. It’s also interesting how ten years ago in the 50th special, he was the young and naive one compared to 11, now he makes 11 look like a baby in comparison having been through three whole lifetimes before his return.
I've been waiting for your reaction all weekend, and you didn't disappoint! This blew me away - and also creeped the heck out of me too!! My only complaint is that it wasn't long enough! But if NPH comes back I'll be down. One fun fact about the original Toymaker - he was played by Michael Gough, a.k.a. Alfred from Batman!
When I discovered Doctor Who for the first time, rifling through a character guide in a bookstore, one of the first characters that caught my eye was the Celestial Toymaker, and while other enemies got reintroduced in the modern era, I wondered when would be his turn. Finally, he is here, and he's spectacular! The Spice Girls dance was my favourite scene, I was like " I know it's a dramatic moment where the villain demonstrates his power, but I can't stop clapping to the rythm". Also, I CAN'T BELIEVE I didn't make a Doctor Horrible connection, but in my defense, I never watched the full video, only some of the songs. ADDENDUM: I also liked how the Doctor faced TM and told him "how are you so small?". It's both an "up yours, mate" moment and the go-to approach of the Doc to most of his enemies, from the Sycorax to the Master: "you don't have to do this, we can find another way", then the scoff from the baddie, then our favorite Time Lord reminding everyone why so many planets, especially Earth, have not become space dust: because the Doctor was there.
I absolutely loved this episode! I’m so happy about that ending and I can’t wait to watch Fifteen’s run! I didn’t want to say goodbye to David Tennant again. Luckily I don’t have to.
"But they are honourable men." ~Marc Antony in Julius Caesar, Shakespeare "Oh, well that's ALRIGHT, THEN!" ~The Toymaker in Doctor Who, Russell T. Davies
Also, I should mention you guys, I hav ebeen waiting for your review since it aired, and you did not dissapoint. And you guys caught the line of timelords doing therapy out of order :) Well done.
Jay: "When did UNIT become a shoot first and ask questions later kind of organization?" Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart: "Jenkins! Chap with the wings there. 5 rounds, rapid!"
11:40 Adam refernencing "Move Along Home" is CRAZY, but he's right. I can still hear that stupid rhyme in my poor poor brain. And my respect for him only grows for referencing DS9 (Best trek fight me)
I really liked this episode when I first saw it, and now the more I rewatch the more I love it ❤️❤️ I also really love your interpretation of the Doctor healing themselves and the 15th Doctor having a sort of new lease on life because of it ✨
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking NSYNC when the puppet stage came into view 😂 I also cried during the show. It was heart warming and got me excited for the future, so proper Doctor Who
I have a fan theory. Ncuti Gatwa is not the 15th Doctor, he is the First Doctor. The original Doctor that we all know and love has retired to live the quiet life. The bi-generation created a whole new person that is The Doctor, but still fresh and without the trauma of the past weighing down his soul. This makes him the “First” in a whole new line of Doctors yet to come.
The way I understand it is that eventually 14 (or "Doctor Noble" as I have decided to call him because as happy as I am to have tennant back I dont think he should get 2 numbers lol) will regenerate again and be pulled back into the bigeneration. It's not a duplication, it's just like... timey wimey therapy so that RTD doesn't have to rehash the doctor being super traumatised in his second era. Which is fair enough, giving the Doctor time war trauma was his big innovation back in 2005 and just doing it over again would be a bit old hat.
That and this way the reboot means international viewers tuning in for the first time won't require 60 years of backstory just to get an idea of what is going on at the start. Multi-Doctor stuff will probably have a pin put into it until it picks up more and those new viewers find time to see older stories and Doctor's.
@@chazo1367well by the time we get to the 75th anniversary this new new era will have likely had 3 doctors starting with Ncuti, so they'll be able to do a multi doctor special in the vein of Day Of The Doctor with recent faces
@@chazo1367 i said the 75th anniversary. If RTD is still running the show in 15 years something will have gone horribly wrong. Doctor Who is a relay race.
RTD said, you want to call us Doctor Woke? I'll give you Doctor Woke! I love how the gloves came off on this one. RTD knows authors who use subtext, and they are all COWARDS
@@fayesouthall6604 That's the thing about RTD, he's unapologetic about what he does. It's better to do that than hide behind PR. Some of the writing is clunky for sure (see: The Star Beast and its handling of trans rep), but the Toymaker's comments about cancel culture being a game actually work in the context of the episode. It's true IRL -and- true to the story.
@@HellfireComms And the Doctor talking about how humanity can be the worst and we don't need outside sources to destroy each other or hate eachother, the giggle is just amplifying it and removing reasoning. Also: Anti-zeedex, need I say anymore? RTD basically took a hammer to the subtly and I love him for that.
Ive seen two theories about the two doctors. 1. 14 goes on separately and becomes the Curator from Day of The Doctor. 2. Bigeneration was actually his future self being plucked out of time. When 14 is done he will regenerate into 15 and be plucked back to this point, closing the loop and leaving only 1 Doctor again.
i dont know if its what RTD was going for but i was thinking the leftover tennant doctor might end up being the curator baker doctor in day of the doctor where he said he might revisit the old favourite faces when he retires
The Giggle was a crazy special for sure, but I really liked it. It was both Weird & Wonderful. 🃏❤ I loved Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker. Teared up a little seeing the Doctor so happy at the table scene. It was heartwarming to get a happy ending
I can't be the only one that got massive 'Flash Gordon' vibes from that moment when the tooth was picked up can I? The hand picking it up, the "ding" then people laughing. That's exactly what happened at the end of the movie. A gloved hand picked it up then a ding came from the bling ring that used to belong to Ming followed by the sound of someone, presumably Ming (although the guy who played Klytus said it was him as he was supposed to be the bad guy in a potential sequel, any day now...) laughing in a somewhat maniacal fashion.
This had me and my fiance battling some SERIOUS ONION NINJAS!!! We were so happy that Tennants Dr. got his happy ending, and what an ending to Dr. Donna's adventure!! The 10th (and 14th...lol) was my daughters favorite, and I dont know if you can see it, but in my thumbnail pic over there
i sat there thinking how Russel brought us [me] a well deserved therapy session. i think all the dramas that Thirteen dealt with [The Flux et al] just weighed on them. the doctor had to fix himself [or maybe the TARDIS did an intervention]. i love it. i think what could be cool is that if they need to do a team up special, 14 can pop by and aid 15. i have a ridiculous headcannon thought on how close the new master is to 15 but i'll wait to see how Jinkx is revealed. good show! good reaction!
I loved this episode. It definitely had the everyone lives kind of feel. I really appreciate it them, mentioning Adric, as when I first started watching Doctor Who in reruns when I was a teenager it was the arc that introduced Adric and I remember the arc in which Adric died so I loved that callback.
Indeed - the fifth Doctor 4-part episode, 'Earthshock' from 1982. The Doctor can't save Adric because it is part of an integral fixed point in time (The Cretacous extinction event) which he is forbidden to interfere with. It is clearly an important event in the Doctor's life as it is referenced a fair bit, most recently in the 2022 'The Power of the Doctor' special episode.
They did set up several villains… “the boss” who I thought was the master but probably not since the master is currently in a tooth, the master and whoever picked him up, the toy makers legions and “the one who waits”. The last might be the first. Bunch of villain hints.
I just realized Jay sings the p’review’d song. Always crack up when he makes up silly songs or bursts into song, now aware that I’ve been singing along with him. Fun times.
22:55 I love that Donna says this because even when the Doctor went on a vacation to another planet to relax and unwind (Midnight) he ends up almost dying and getting more trauma. I'm a bit iffy on the whole bigeneration thing, but I like the thought of the Doctor finally getting a much needed break and having the time to process everything that has happened to him (with Donna and her family).
I love watching you guys but especially with this because ... you guys are awesome and so joyful. And you both cry as much as you giggle. Looking forward to switchmas.
I kept saying " I can't watch david regenerate again." Russell saw us millenials imprint on david and was like man I can't do that to them again. 🤣🤣 I'm still waiting for Rose and Metacrisis to come back and meet Donna's family.
Just found this channel and I cant tell ya how much I loved this video. The guy in red reminds me of me. Love the comedy mixed with emotion from him. Love the dialogue between the two guys too.
Genius level title on this vid, chaps. Chef’s kiss, no notes 🤣 Speaking of chef’s kiss, Ncuti is AWESOME. PLEEEEEASE keep reacting to this show into his run!
Loved your reaction! Just the dose of positivity I needed. I adored this special! Adam, I know exactly what you mean that Doctor Who is back. I haven't been this excited, happy, and emotional about Doctor Who in a long time. These three specials were everything I've been missing...proper scary, creepy, zany, touching, and just plain FUN! Honestly, I'm struggling to understand why some are having so much trouble with the bi-generation idea. I think for a show to last 60 years and beyond it has to keep reinventing itself and being surprising. And I mean, it's sci-fi, a particularly wacky breed of sci-fi at that. Anything goes. I thought the bi-generation was perfect, a brilliant way to soft reboot the show. I friggin love that 14 gets a beautiful happy ending and finally gets to rest and have a family and 15 gets a fresh new beginning healed from all that trauma. Speaking of 15, I'm in love already. The last time I took to a Doctor so quickly was David Tennant's first appearance. I am so excited for the Christmas special and Ncuti's first season!
I really love that episode and so glad they make a way to let Tennant doctor still alive and can may be return at some point if he want to. The new doctor is fun and energetic.
I know a lot of people hate the bi-generation, but I kinda loved it. So many theories and so many interesting discussions. In any sense, both are the Doctor; there’s no fake. I found this episode very fun and has been excited for the next era
"And in years to come, you might find yourself revisiting a few. But just the old favorites, eh?"
"favourites" - it is British English after all...
From the 50th anniversary special
Eleven: I could be a curator. I’d be great at curating. I’d be the great curator, ha ha. I could retire, and do that. I could retire, and be the curator of this place.
Curator: You know, I really think you might.
Eleven: I never forget a face.
Curator: I know you don’t. And in years to come, you might find yourself revisiting a few. But just the old favorites, eh?
Dude, you just made me cry again.
Oh my gosh. Thats actually really true. And so nice. ❤❤
Well, according to Doctor Who lore, he does regenerate into Tom Baker many times
David Tennant had the Meta Crysis and now
Ncuti exudes the energy of 11 without the pain, and grief... I have a feel the chemistry between him and Millie will be awesome, since I just met the guy and I love him already.
I think he has boldness of 9, playfulness and youth of 11 and he gets the witty punny part from 10. And obviously other Doctors those three borrow from.
ive seen him on sex education before becoming the doctor, hes amzing at what ive seen him do so far so i got high hopes
He just has that energy that leaps out at you the moment his on screen.
I think its because they are both the Doctor who were healing. 11 was the Doctor who was the one who was healing and learning to let go of the War and everything he had to do, still angry but he was learning to let go. Ncuti's Doctor is like he said hes the one who IS healed cause 14 finally went to therapy for all the trauma of the past and the Horrifying shit they went thorough as 12/13. It like the 5 stages of grief out of order 9: denial, 10: anger, 11:acceptance, 12: barging, with 13: depression with her life almost starting a new round.
It really says something about how loved Donna is as a companion.
The Doctor settling down is slightly less controversial because it's with her and her family.
Could have been Susan
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ecI 100% think she should’ve shown up as well as Mel
@@jf175 Well Susan is stuck in the future with her husband. But would have love it if he say goodbye to Donna one last time before leaving to the future to see Susan again.
He ended with the only one who doesnt love him, being alive and will doesnt make him live adventures
@@kiorili ehhh, Adventure will come to the noble family whether they wanted too or not
"To come home" didn't think Id ever experience RTD making me cry about Donna and Tennant again
With a happy ending of all things.
I'm only hoping all this nostalgia that's been happening bleeds into my personal life, that all my hope and love in life return and I get a happy ending like Tennant and Tate did.
27:24 I keep thinking about 15's wording there. He says, "I'm fine because you fix yourself. We're Time Lords. We're doing rehab out of order." He said it like he is somehow already benefitting from the work that 14 is going to do to fix himself.
They want to build this Whoniverse thing. There are going to be spinoffs. Also, 14 has already travelled a bit since he bigenerated. He apparently took Rose to Mars and took Mel to Gilded Age New York. I am completely fine if they just leave 14 where he is. It is a wonderful happy ending.
But they may also be setting up for some kind of spinoff (even if it's just the occasional movie or special) where he confronts and works through the grief and trauma of his past. Maybe by occasionally travelling for that purpose. Could be a lovely way to revisit some of the characters he went through those experiences with.
Then, when he's had a life (and Tenant is done with the role), maybe he merges back into 15 or whoever the current Doctor is at the time. So they benefit from that rehab and the total consciousness of the Doctor eventually ends up back together. Could be interesting.
I would 100% watch every week a spinoff of Donna and Fourteen working with UNIT and also having a family life at home.
@@IceMetalPunk YES
It also works for the reboot idea, all the baggage and trauma of 60 years stays with 14 as he works through it with some self healing and therapy, which as a result because 15 is from the future, he gets all that healing pre-set and ready to go. It allows new international viewers to watch without having to NEED 60 years of stories worth of lore. So if a viewer wants they can stop and retire with 14 or go on and continue with 15.
It also parallels real life a little, RTD left when he did because of his sick and disabled husband, who needed alot of care and he didn't want to go but did because his husband needed him, Tennant left with him because they were a pair of friends. RTD loves the show still and I think part of him had the Bi-generation because it is like if he had stayed and his husband was still alive too.
@@chazo1367 In regards to the 60 years of lore bit, the Toymaker also basically said "canon is whatever you believe" with his admission that he played with the Doctor's past like a jigsaw.
@@IceMetalPunk So would I. And that could be another breadcrumb. It could have just been a throwaway funny moment. Or it could be another clue that Donna Noble's time on screen is not done yet.
Self-love and found family are both themes that we, as the viewers, needed for the Doctor to experience for so long. Amazing episode.
You people are way more postive than most other people talking about the special. I am glad I can find people like this
As near as I can tell, the majority of us love it. I know the grouches can be loud--but this time out they seem to be a desperate minority.
Honestly more responses I’m seeing are positive outside Twitter’s amplifying the negative.
Every reaction I've watched has been positive, with only one exception and that was someone who got spoiled (probably by some of the 'I'm determined to be miserable' crowd) and went in prejudiced against it from the start (and even that one didn't really end up as negative as it could've been).
hardly, I've noticed woke people and members who subscribe to "the message" in reaction videos tend to love it
where as heterosexual and people who actually think for themselves and dont wear fanboy glasses can see how God awful the show has become.
And then you got RTD saying "a heterosexual man can NEVER play a gay person." Oh and btw Tennant is straight, playing a gay Doctor. Hypocrite, thy name is RTD
@AzguardMike A: heterosexual, 65, old enough to know what I have chosen most my years...and to have seen a wide range of natural sexualities. B) Definitely think for myself...and make my living doing so. Writer, editor, researcher. C), fanboy glasses never fit well.
You dismiss all of us who fail to see this like you, and assume you're right--it's Godawful--instead of realizing that "good" is a pretty subjective analysis, and "Godawful" even more subjective. Enough people--ordinary, heterosexual, independent-minded people like me--like it to suggest it's not just a matter of brainwashed thinking. It's people enjoying different directions, that's all.
The great thing that I think happens now with David Tennant's Doctor is that he can now become The Curator from the 50th Anniversary where he can go back to his "favourite faces" while the other Doctor can carry on his adventures
Man I fuckin loved this special, genuinely spooky at times and a wonderful heart warming ending. Also what a introduction for the next doctor, cant wait for Christmas
RTD deserves props for going all in on making these game-changing decisions. It honors the past, brings new life into the series, ensures the future of Doctor Who for years to come. I totally understand if there are some who hate it, but that's what happens when people love something.
It was absolutely the best thing to do. The 60 years have been weighing heavy on the show, and it needed a hard reboot.
It's set up so that if the viewers who hate it want, they can leave and "retire" like 14 does, whilst people who are happy continue with 15. Basically the reboot is the best of both worlds. They don't want to require 60 years of knowledge for international viewers to catch up with for the new series so this way all the baggage is wrapped up with 14 and 15 from the future as a result is all fixed up and basically becomes the fun loving Doctor from the very old days.
I think that hits the nail on the head about bigeneration, it's bonkers, it's wild but it only additive to the character. It doesn't delete anything about The Doctor or their history.
@@AmazingChi unlike the timeless children which completely f$cked over all of the who lore.
@@just3342It really didn't though.
My theory: The Not Doctor said that he and the Not Donna wanted to go to the universe to play "vicious games". The Toymaker said, "My legions are coming." What if the legion are the Not Things, pulled over with or as part of the Toymaker's realm?
The face you made at "To come home" OH MAN, mine did exactly the same. The tears. It was so beautiful. Thank you RTD.
From what I remember of the 3rd doctor, UNIT's shoot first, ask questions later mentality was a big part of those storylines, though it has been a couple of decades since I've watched them. So in answer to the question... pretty much forever.
"Jenkins. Chap with the wings there. Five rounds rapid..." The Brig's best/funniest line.
11:30 The Toymaker was originally played by Michael Gough, who you might better recognize as Alfred in the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher Batman movies.
The things the Toymaker sent to terrify Donna, were in fact terrified by Donna.
Can we reflect on thr Toymaker telling the Doctor that with all his power...the toy maker came across a being that caused him to flee?
@@CircuitRebornI’m thinking it must’ve been a being of elemental boringness or seriousness or justice or something anathema to the toymaker.
"It's just....nice, man."
this is legit my new favourite phrase: "WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT THEN!". loved NPR
and my 90s heart at Spice Up Your Life.
in the 50th anniversary special, the current Doctor got a visit from a future incarnation, advising him on what to do next. In the 60th anniversary special, the current Doctor again got a visit from a future incarnation, advising him on what to do next.
The Curator helped 11 find a reason to keep going, and 15 helped 14 find a reason to stop and focus on himself.
I'm so sad that Bernard Cribbins was too ill to do his part in this final episode. I would have LOVED to see Wilf in the final family scene. He was there for the table read... but when it came time to film, he was just in no condition to do it. :(
I do love how the paid tribute to him, though. Out shooting at groundhogs! Gave me a "giggle" 😊
I also love the concept on this show is found family. the companions have each other and the doctor. it's just beautiful.
"Five Rounds Rapid" was a catchphrase for Kate's father, who was the former head of UNIT and a Brigadier General. UNIT's always had a militant touch to it in regards to the question on the response methods.
I love what RTD did. I'm so happy he's back in charge. I really couldn't watch Tennant regenrate again, so this is perfect.
Right?? i was holding my breath for too long!
The Toymaker makes myth reality…. Bigeneration is a myth
Exactly. Based on 15's dialog before twinning the TARDIS, I'm convinced the bi-generation was because of the presence of the Toymaker.
@JeshuaSquirrel it was also due to the fact that 15 was still owed his prize for beating the toymaker since 10 used his to banish him
I know some people thing Ncuti was overshadowed in his own premiere but I couldnt disagree more we usually get a line or so from a new doctor and half to wait to see where the pick up is and who they are but we already get SO much characterization for 15. He's happy go lucky, sassy (Honestly im getting such Eccleston vibes and im so for it all) and all too excited to get out and see the world again and I cant wait for what he has coming up next
I think he had a fantastic premiere, better than Capaldi's or Jodie's. I think having Tennant around at the same time actually helped, because it showed that Ncuti could stand toe to toe with someone considered great already, and he hasn't even fully settled into the role yet. I'm really looking forward to the next season.
The prevailing theory for 10 is that he ends up becoming the Curator from the 50th special.
14 I guess you mean
All the warm self healing, love hugs. This episode was great.
this marks the end of the trauma that started with the war doctor and the time war. This marks a new beginning, and im so excited for it.
His trauma goes all the way back to the old series. He dealt with a lot in his 14 versions(well 15) and never took time to recover or deal with it all. So this means 15 is starting again, chilled refreshed. Having left all bad memories with 14. That's also why the next series is season 1.
Poor man has basically been a walking panic attack for centuries.
thankyou for keeping the scenes with social commentary in your yt reaction. most other reactors kept them out. what an episode
"When did UNIT become a shoot first, ask questions later organization?"
You know what they say...five rounds rapid.
When DAvid says 'wheelchair accessible" his scottish accent is pushing through :D
The best of the special episodes. Neil Patrick Harris is incredible as The Toymaker
Just give him an Emmy and a BAFTA (the British version of it) as well. Wow!
and to thin this is the queer boy who started out as Doogie Howser, MD? Never in a billlion years could we have imagines him as one of the most terrifying Who villains ever, even if he ends up a one-of.
Just rewatched The Runaway Bride for Christmas, and at the end Donna said that the doctor needs someone to "stop" him. She did it 15 years later. DAMN YOU DOCTOR WHO!
Me: No Nopey Nope. Creepy cannibalistic dolls, my worst nightmare *swiped aggressively at imaginary babbies on shoulders*
Also Me:
Colours of the World!
Spice up your life!
Every boy and every girl!
Spice up your life!
People of the World!...
What an episode! So SO happy that David's Doctor didn't die and gets to just... live and really looking forward to seeing what the latest Doctor will get up to.
As always loving your reaction. ❤️
Also I feel like I should add, as I'm from the UK, that Spice Girls was THE band for me when I was in my early teens lol.
The Celestial Toymaker. Think of him like The Collector from Marvel, except his existence is based around games, he never cheats and he can't be killed, such is the life of an immortal being who can reshape reality.
And apparently there is something out there that caused a Celestial to run...
For the record its just The Toymaker, the special he first appeared in is called The Celestial Toymaker but even the 1st Doctor just calls him the Toymaker
"Bi-generation? Nah...more like mitosis." - My friend on discord this morning
I have been waiting decades for the Toymaker to reappear. As a child The Celestial Toymaker was one of my favourite stories. As Doctor Who was often repeated during school holidays in Australia I think I saw The Celestial Toymaker about three times. Now three of the four episodes are missing :(
NPH can be so menacing. He needs to play more villains
Absolutely loved this and your reaction to it. Knew the fakeout would get you. They have the whole build up, the music, the final phrase, feeling the mavity of 9-14's whole history, it was done perfectly and if it had been a normal regeneration it would have been ok. Only to completely bamboozle us in the best way possible. And giving us a happy end, also great social commentary that even tho it wasn't subtle, didn't overstay its welcome in the plot. It was just the setting.
Also just loved that music number. Puts Q's mariachis to shame :D
i see what you did there
I find it hilarious and ironic that Adam is wearing a Tony Stark shirt during the episode showing Stark Tower, I mean, UNIT headquarters. 😂
20:55 Captioning was wrong. A lot of people have commented on that. It's the 14th and 15th Doctors.
Watch the 3rd Doctor. Unit was always a shoot first back in the 1970s
Infact, The Brigadier was upset that bullets didn’t work alot of the time
I hadn't really thought about the fact that RTD was the reason that the Doctor was always regretting his past. It's amazing that everyone else chose to stick with it all this time. It will be refreshing.
U guys really missed the Flash Gordon easter egg with the hand coming out and picking up the gold tooth? and the laughing? LOL so nostalgic.
Thank god you guys posted! Needed some positivity today and you both send it out in mass!
The trailer for the Christmas episode is nuts and then there's a MUSIC VIDEO for the Christmas episode that's Nuts times 1000.
I am soo glad that someone gets the idea of just embrasing the chaos/whimsy of the show. I have seen some very angry people online responding to this episode. Most don’t see the irony of what the Toy Maker was saying obviously lol…I absolutely loved the episode and I am up for whatever is coming down the road. Sad no one lets anything breath anymore and giving it time to see what the plan is…then maybe make up your mind? Anywho thanks for the fun reaction I love watching you two react to all my favorite shows and I love me the trailer palozza’s keep them coming ✌and Allons-y!!!
It’s crazy how 10/14 went from having the most tragic life to possibly the best possible and happiest one of all of the Doctor’s incarnations. Definitely reframes his first “I don’t wanna go” regeneration scene. Not mad at all.
It’s also interesting how ten years ago in the 50th special, he was the young and naive one compared to 11, now he makes 11 look like a baby in comparison having been through three whole lifetimes before his return.
I've been waiting for your reaction all weekend, and you didn't disappoint! This blew me away - and also creeped the heck out of me too!! My only complaint is that it wasn't long enough! But if NPH comes back I'll be down. One fun fact about the original Toymaker - he was played by Michael Gough, a.k.a. Alfred from Batman!
Jay bursting into tears when Donna says "to come home" is me...I am Jay, Jay is me.
When I discovered Doctor Who for the first time, rifling through a character guide in a bookstore, one of the first characters that caught my eye was the Celestial Toymaker, and while other enemies got reintroduced in the modern era, I wondered when would be his turn. Finally, he is here, and he's spectacular! The Spice Girls dance was my favourite scene, I was like " I know it's a dramatic moment where the villain demonstrates his power, but I can't stop clapping to the rythm".
Also, I CAN'T BELIEVE I didn't make a Doctor Horrible connection, but in my defense, I never watched the full video, only some of the songs.
ADDENDUM: I also liked how the Doctor faced TM and told him "how are you so small?". It's both an "up yours, mate" moment and the go-to approach of the Doc to most of his enemies, from the Sycorax to the Master: "you don't have to do this, we can find another way", then the scoff from the baddie, then our favorite Time Lord reminding everyone why so many planets, especially Earth, have not become space dust: because the Doctor was there.
I gotta say, Ncuti brought an energy to his Doctor that reminded me of a live action Bugs Bunny. ( I mean this in the best possible way.)
I absolutely loved this episode! I’m so happy about that ending and I can’t wait to watch Fifteen’s run! I didn’t want to say goodbye to David Tennant again. Luckily I don’t have to.
Gold-Tooth-Jay biting the inside of Adam’s cheek: “I’ll stop when you eat a Big Mac!”
Oh WeLl ThAtS aLrIgHt ThEn
Love the delivery on that. Gets less funny with each take.
First one funny, last one menacing
"But they are honourable men." ~Marc Antony in Julius Caesar, Shakespeare
"Oh, well that's ALRIGHT, THEN!" ~The Toymaker in Doctor Who, Russell T. Davies
She was killed by a…bird??
"The Doctor and the Toymaker played ball for a thousand years" no kidding, that would be a Moffat episode.
These 3 episodes were basically RTD's way of saying "my bad" about Doctor/Donna's last parting. I'm more than OK with it.
Please don't stop reacting to Doctor Who. I love my favorite reactors reacting to a show I love so much.
Also, I should mention you guys, I hav ebeen waiting for your review since it aired, and you did not dissapoint. And you guys caught the line of timelords doing therapy out of order :) Well done.
Jay: "When did UNIT become a shoot first and ask questions later kind of organization?" Brigadier Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart: "Jenkins! Chap with the wings there. 5 rounds, rapid!"
11:40 Adam refernencing "Move Along Home" is CRAZY, but he's right. I can still hear that stupid rhyme in my poor poor brain.
And my respect for him only grows for referencing DS9 (Best trek fight me)
"Alamarain, count to 4, alamarain, then 3 more..."
I was sure D14 was going to end with "I'll stay forever if you let me because... I don't want to go."
I acted just like you Jay….i dreaded this all week and I’m very happy how it worked out
I really liked this episode when I first saw it, and now the more I rewatch the more I love it ❤️❤️ I also really love your interpretation of the Doctor healing themselves and the 15th Doctor having a sort of new lease on life because of it ✨
First time I liked it, rewatched it a few times and I love it!
I'm so glad I wasn't the only one thinking NSYNC when the puppet stage came into view 😂 I also cried during the show. It was heart warming and got me excited for the future, so proper Doctor Who
"He didn't want to go and now he doesn't have to." DAMN YOU JAY 😢😢😢
The Toymaker I think is Jay as a villain just all out madness and loving it
I have a fan theory. Ncuti Gatwa is not the 15th Doctor, he is the First Doctor. The original Doctor that we all know and love has retired to live the quiet life. The bi-generation created a whole new person that is The Doctor, but still fresh and without the trauma of the past weighing down his soul. This makes him the “First” in a whole new line of Doctors yet to come.
The way I understand it is that eventually 14 (or "Doctor Noble" as I have decided to call him because as happy as I am to have tennant back I dont think he should get 2 numbers lol) will regenerate again and be pulled back into the bigeneration. It's not a duplication, it's just like... timey wimey therapy so that RTD doesn't have to rehash the doctor being super traumatised in his second era. Which is fair enough, giving the Doctor time war trauma was his big innovation back in 2005 and just doing it over again would be a bit old hat.
That and this way the reboot means international viewers tuning in for the first time won't require 60 years of backstory just to get an idea of what is going on at the start. Multi-Doctor stuff will probably have a pin put into it until it picks up more and those new viewers find time to see older stories and Doctor's.
@@chazo1367well by the time we get to the 75th anniversary this new new era will have likely had 3 doctors starting with Ncuti, so they'll be able to do a multi doctor special in the vein of Day Of The Doctor with recent faces
@@SorchaSublime they likely won’t. At least RTD himself won’t write or direct that episode, he doesn’t like multi doctor stories sadly.
@@chazo1367 i said the 75th anniversary. If RTD is still running the show in 15 years something will have gone horribly wrong. Doctor Who is a relay race.
RTD said, you want to call us Doctor Woke? I'll give you Doctor Woke!
I love how the gloves came off on this one. RTD knows authors who use subtext, and they are all COWARDS
Bloody right too.
@@fayesouthall6604 That's the thing about RTD, he's unapologetic about what he does. It's better to do that than hide behind PR. Some of the writing is clunky for sure (see: The Star Beast and its handling of trans rep), but the Toymaker's comments about cancel culture being a game actually work in the context of the episode. It's true IRL -and- true to the story.
@@HellfireComms And the Doctor talking about how humanity can be the worst and we don't need outside sources to destroy each other or hate eachother, the giggle is just amplifying it and removing reasoning.
Also: Anti-zeedex, need I say anymore? RTD basically took a hammer to the subtly and I love him for that.
Ive seen two theories about the two doctors.
1. 14 goes on separately and becomes the Curator from Day of The Doctor.
2. Bigeneration was actually his future self being plucked out of time. When 14 is done he will regenerate into 15 and be plucked back to this point, closing the loop and leaving only 1 Doctor again.
My theory: one of them becomes the valeyard
i dont know if its what RTD was going for but i was thinking the leftover tennant doctor might end up being the curator baker doctor in day of the doctor where he said he might revisit the old favourite faces when he retires
The Giggle was a crazy special for sure, but I really liked it. It was both Weird & Wonderful. 🃏❤ I loved Neil Patrick Harris as the Toymaker. Teared up a little seeing the Doctor so happy at the table scene. It was heartwarming to get a happy ending
"When did UNIT become aguns first organization?" Check as far back as the Second Doctor from the classic Who.
I can't be the only one that got massive 'Flash Gordon' vibes from that moment when the tooth was picked up can I? The hand picking it up, the "ding" then people laughing. That's exactly what happened at the end of the movie. A gloved hand picked it up then a ding came from the bling ring that used to belong to Ming followed by the sound of someone, presumably Ming (although the guy who played Klytus said it was him as he was supposed to be the bad guy in a potential sequel, any day now...) laughing in a somewhat maniacal fashion.
RTD did the same thing before in series 3.
This had me and my fiance battling some SERIOUS ONION NINJAS!!! We were so happy that Tennants Dr. got his happy ending, and what an ending to Dr. Donna's adventure!! The 10th (and 14th...lol) was my daughters favorite, and I dont know if you can see it, but in my thumbnail pic over there
I hope the Master is a woman again. And my wish is that someday they bring back Romana with a new actress. She is a Time Lord after all.
Just noticed 16:14 the King card is the old Toymaker costume.
i sat there thinking how Russel brought us [me] a well deserved therapy session. i think all the dramas that Thirteen dealt with [The Flux et al] just weighed on them. the doctor had to fix himself [or maybe the TARDIS did an intervention]. i love it. i think what could be cool is that if they need to do a team up special, 14 can pop by and aid 15. i have a ridiculous headcannon thought on how close the new master is to 15 but i'll wait to see how Jinkx is revealed. good show! good reaction!
I loved this episode. It definitely had the everyone lives kind of feel. I really appreciate it them, mentioning Adric, as when I first started watching Doctor Who in reruns when I was a teenager it was the arc that introduced Adric and I remember the arc in which Adric died so I loved that callback.
Indeed - the fifth Doctor 4-part episode, 'Earthshock' from 1982. The Doctor can't save Adric because it is part of an integral fixed point in time (The Cretacous extinction event) which he is forbidden to interfere with. It is clearly an important event in the Doctor's life as it is referenced a fair bit, most recently in the 2022 'The Power of the Doctor' special episode.
They did set up several villains… “the boss” who I thought was the master but probably not since the master is currently in a tooth, the master and whoever picked him up, the toy makers legions and “the one who waits”. The last might be the first. Bunch of villain hints.
I think the most distressing thing about this episode is that the puppet actually existed and was used to test the first television
Watched the actual vid after watching the episode and its somehow creepier.
I just realized Jay sings the p’review’d song. Always crack up when he makes up silly songs or bursts into song, now aware that I’ve been singing along with him. Fun times.
The Silurians when UNIT "started" jumping to using Guns/Explosives first...
Spoilers for the episode…
I think Ten becomes the Curator from the 50th anniversary.
22:55 I love that Donna says this because even when the Doctor went on a vacation to another planet to relax and unwind (Midnight) he ends up almost dying and getting more trauma. I'm a bit iffy on the whole bigeneration thing, but I like the thought of the Doctor finally getting a much needed break and having the time to process everything that has happened to him (with Donna and her family).
I love watching you guys but especially with this because ... you guys are awesome and so joyful. And you both cry as much as you giggle. Looking forward to switchmas.
David's doctor finally got his "reward" he was denied in The End of Time Pt2
I kept saying " I can't watch david regenerate again." Russell saw us millenials imprint on david and was like man I can't do that to them again. 🤣🤣 I'm still waiting for Rose and Metacrisis to come back and meet Donna's family.
As finals weeks starts, i can get a nice cup of preview’d in before i get busy🎉
Seriously, could that have been Missy picking up the tooth?? I really with that is the case. I LOVE MISSY.
Just found this channel and I cant tell ya how much I loved this video. The guy in red reminds me of me. Love the comedy mixed with emotion from him. Love the dialogue between the two guys too.
Genius level title on this vid, chaps. Chef’s kiss, no notes 🤣
Speaking of chef’s kiss, Ncuti is AWESOME. PLEEEEEASE keep reacting to this show into his run!
Such great performances, excellent heart, hilariously unsubtle social commentary, and Tennant's doctor gets to stay! Loved it!
Loved your reaction! Just the dose of positivity I needed.
I adored this special! Adam, I know exactly what you mean that Doctor Who is back. I haven't been this excited, happy, and emotional about Doctor Who in a long time. These three specials were everything I've been missing...proper scary, creepy, zany, touching, and just plain FUN!
Honestly, I'm struggling to understand why some are having so much trouble with the bi-generation idea. I think for a show to last 60 years and beyond it has to keep reinventing itself and being surprising. And I mean, it's sci-fi, a particularly wacky breed of sci-fi at that. Anything goes. I thought the bi-generation was perfect, a brilliant way to soft reboot the show. I friggin love that 14 gets a beautiful happy ending and finally gets to rest and have a family and 15 gets a fresh new beginning healed from all that trauma.
Speaking of 15, I'm in love already. The last time I took to a Doctor so quickly was David Tennant's first appearance. I am so excited for the Christmas special and Ncuti's first season!
Yu-Gi-Oh references? I knew I like you guys for a reason.
I really love that episode and so glad they make a way to let Tennant doctor still alive and can may be return at some point if he want to.
The new doctor is fun and energetic.
My headcannon is that 14 retires and becomes the Curator while the Doctor stays on his adventures
I know a lot of people hate the bi-generation, but I kinda loved it. So many theories and so many interesting discussions. In any sense, both are the Doctor; there’s no fake. I found this episode very fun and has been excited for the next era
NPH was the best villain I've seen in years. It looked like he had so much fun chewing the scenery.