I absolutely adore the "Well that's alright then" scene. We often use the same lines the Doctor uses when talking about their departures in a way that diminishes their deaths, but it doesn't change the fact that they traveled with the Doctor and ended up dead. No matter what the Doctor tells themselves to feel better, those companions died on the Doctor's watch.
Amy and Rory die of old age because of the Weeping Angels, Clara was killed by the bird and then she is alive with her own TARDIS which I never quite understood
@@glenmartin7978 Basically, Capaldi took Clara from like, a second before her death and made her immortal so that she can go on a ton of adventures and then go back to die at the appropriate time and place at the age she's supposed to be when she's lived a fulfilled life. Wibbly wobbly timey wimey shenanigans at their fullest.
I didn't get that at first, but rewatching it it makes perfect sense; things aren't real, until they are. The Toymaker is not of this universe, his presence changes the rules
I fell in love with Ncuti the moment he came on screen, the show is in safe hands, also if Ncuti was wearing the pants... what was Tennant wearing then ;)
Ncuti's doctor said, we're doing trauma therapy out of order, 14 is the doctor who takes time off, gets therapy of living a life and sorting out his mental health, then regenerates into 15 and gets whisked into the bi-regeneration. We're witnessing a fixed loop in time of the doctors life. So take everything that happens to 14 up until tennant the actor, officially retires, and then... start at 15 from the bigneration and go forward. Brilliant ;)
There is a theory: The 14th regenerates in the future, when it should actually regenerate. And, in the first moments of 15th, he is pulled into the past. Then, he ended up during the fight between 14th and Toymaker. What makes it clear that 15th came from 14th's future is that he says he's fine because 14th stopped to fix himself. He could only be okay and know why this happened if he came from the future, since, until that moment, the 14th hadn't stopped. At the end of The Giggle, he's heading to the exact spot he was, seconds after he disappeared. And if you think about it, bigeneration. Bi. The same incarnation regenerated twice: Once, in The Giggle and once in the future.
This theory has by now basically been comfirmed by Russel T Davies, so you were right on the money, when 14 dies, he goes right back to the moment they bigenerated and becomes 15
@@AlanCanon2222bro it *is* the plot, it’s not a fan theory. All right there in the episode, hard to miss unless your head is filled with reddit theories about the Curator or the Valeyard. Media literacy is dead
You mentioning that 15 seems to be a flirt cracked me up because my first thought was "We need to get John Barrowman back again because it would be chaos"
I would love to see Harkness again, just not as John. Due to his history of sexually harassing his coworkers on set and then cutting a fit and playing the victim when he’s called out for it :/ his harassment and shitty behavior is one reason why Christopher left early. I think by now Russel would know not to bring him back and force people to work with him again :/
Funnily enough both are Scottish actors who started off using an Americanized Transatlantic accent on the show before easing back slowly into their natural Scottish one in future appearances.
The Doctor has through been a goddamn 18 year story arc of learning to love himself, only our beloved show could do that Time to start the story again!
What I find amazing is that everyone else kept the tortured Doctor personality that RTD created, and it took him coming back to change the main character motivation again.
What I hope they do is canonize the story from the expanded Whoniverse that the Curator (from Day of the Doctor) is an alternate version of the Doctor that retired and ran a gallery. The 14th Doctor has essentially retired and letting the 15th Doctor go on adventures so this fits the premise. The Curator even said that the Doctor would revisit some faces. He is also the one that hinted to the 11th Doctor that Gallifrey survived, which the 14th Doctor would know.
14 turns into 15, it’s made clear in the episode. It’s the entire point of 14’s ending, he’s gonna rest and heal himself before regenerating into the revitalised 15 we meet here
@@thegentleassassin But 14 still exists. We currently don't know what will happen to him if he is "killed" again. He might turn into Ncuti Gatwa, or he could turn into Tom Baker.
@@Trikeboy2 why would he turn into Tom Baker ??? where has that been suggested outside of niche subreddits??? He turns into Ncuti Gatwa, as is made perfectly clear in the episode!!! You’re getting sidetracked by wish fulfilment fan theories, and completely missing the thematic and emotional intention of 14’s ending
@@thegentleassassin People are reading too much into that. The whole point of trauma is that there is an emotional period of healing alongside the physical trauma. With Regeneration there is no period of recovery, no steps of grieving. No last rites etc. When someone physically heals in real-life, from a broken leg etc. they've had time to come to terms with that reality. There's 0 time for instant regeneration to process that you have even been hurt.
19:40 "now I'm going into fan gremlin mode here" the best mode to be in really. I LOVED the callback of having a mysterious hand pick up an item linked to the Master (which happened after 10 burned the body of the Simm!Master after he died in 10's arms) {i am also going FERAL rn}
Your reactions are always a delight to watch! Easily some of the best out there! Personally, I like the "bi-generation" concept. It's unprecedented, but not entirely - we've seen sort of similar Regeneration-weirdness in the Classic series, albeit not this. And, I don't think the mechanics of _how_ it happened is really important, so much as the fact that it _did_ happen. As I understood it, the 15th Doctor gets all the healing/therapeutic benefits of 14 living out a normal life on Earth - it seems like he _remembers_ all that, at least on some level. That's huge - we've had the Doctor as the Lonely God for so long, carrying all that guilt and trauma since the Time War at least; it'll be a refreshing change to see an incarnation of the character who's finally healed from all that! And, man, Gatwa made a hell of a first impression! His energy, his charisma, his humor (and, gods, he's hot!)... I can already tell he'll be a lot of fun! And on a personal note, his whole attitude of open, unfiltered love and affection (and flirtatiousness) really connects with me and where I am in my life right now. I'm really looking forward to seeing his era of the show!
So the Celestial Toymaker is one of the missing stories with only the 4th and final episode surviving but the good news is they just announced they are doing a animated version so we can finally see it all
yes sad that so much has been lost over time, at least with current day digital its always a good chance you won't lose history and shows that way any more. I had hoped over the years maybe someone, just someone had video taped episodes or such that might still have some type of copy of the lost shows, but i guess not.
Bigeneration is RTD's way to explain why there can be multiple Doctor's in future events. Basically, every Doctor has bigenerated and the "split" version is off doing adventures while we follow the original on their adventures. Then when they come back together (50th Curator) this can explain why they look older in the episode. They just grew old over time and is doing their retirement jobs when we see them again.
YES! Shayla, I knew you were gonna love Ncuti immediately! Honestly I was expecting some more tears from you on this one - tears of joy, lol. On the face of it, I was slightly worried that Bigeneration would mean 14 gets to keep traveling with Donna and it would undermine Ncuti - but we've since heard some bts thinking from RTD and I'm feeling a little better about it now (spoilers on just how much we know of RTD's thoughts/plans, but if you're curious, I'll give you my thoughts/theories, lol). Can't wait to hear from you & see your Christmas reaction!
This is only the second on-screen appearance of The Toymaker, after _The Celestial Toymaker_ in 1966. Mel Bush was a 6th/7th Doctor companion from 1986-87.
In 1985, the comedian Lenny Henry made a BBC tv comedy sketch about a newly regenerated Doctor. This sketch can still be seen on RUclips. I highly recommend it, for how Lenny's version of the Doctor is dressed, is almost similar to the way Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor will appear in the Christmas episode, right down to the thin moustache
That Missy theory is actually really good. The fella who bought the puppet was restored after the Toymaker lost, so theoretically, the master/missy should've too. The tooth was probably empty, so it leaves a lot to theorise about. I think there's also a possibility that Simm's Master bi-generated into Sacha and Missy, explaining the contrasting personalities between them both.
1. I too am so happy that 14 gets to stay with his family and heal emotionally. The only thing that could make it better would be him getting his other family from the 10th Doctor era back: Rose and Jackie. I have had a theory for a while that the metacrisis Doctor is the Valeyard and will show up again at some point and have to be stop because he has gone round the bend. That could bring the Tylers back to the main universe. Another theory since this episode is what if his Doctor is the one to "visit some old favorite" faces and will eventually become the Curator. I see some people saying he will eventually merge with 15 or into 15, but interview with RTD since the episode kind of imply that is not the plan. 2. Hate to burst the Missy bubble, but Kate Stewart actually has red nail during the episode. I don't know why they would bother to hid it was her, but she is the most logical option.
Came across your channel today. Gotta say, I love your reactions. They seem so genuine from a fan perspective, they're really great. Keep up the good work!
As someone whose watched classic who all those references at the end hit me so hard Exiled to earth The trial of a time lord and the valyard Holding the key to time itself in his hands Logopolis reduced to dust The gods of Ragnarok The people that are lost The sheer amount the doctor has been through, the people the doctor has loved and lost We've come along way since meeting an unearthly child on the 23rd of November 1963
All the reactions I’ve seen so far, I ADORE your take on Ten and Donna the best. I get frustrated by all the hate over the years for David’s exit, saying it’s self indulgent. I never felt that it was I think that because he was SO popular, it kind of felt like a death and end of an era to a lot of viewers, and they were acknowledging that grief a lot of were going through . Wasn’t sure I loved undoing the tragedy of Donna’s story, but I love how you put it, that he was always the version that wanted more time with “his” people, and now he finally gets this reward. And Donna gets to be truly happy with her best friend. Stellar reaction. Thank you!
Hey Shayla, I watch this on my own on a Saturday and just enjoy every minute of it but when you air your reaction to it, it's like I'm getting an entire new and different and better aspect from it. I even notice things I didn't notice the first time, so thank you for doing these videos I really enjoy them 😊❤
Not going to lie I wanted to see your reaction to the bigeneration and you did not disappoint lol. I loved how you were like I don't know if I am going to cry this time and you went from tears to like wtf in under a second.
I'm aggressively neutral on bigeneration, but have enjoyed Gatwa's performance so far. Both in this and in the preview scene for the Christmas Special which I won't say anything about. Far to early to get a sense of where Gatwa's going to land in my Doctor rankings, though I'm sure I'll love his performance.
Hah, yep "WTF?" indeed :). S'why it's 60 years and counting right ? You gotta keep moving. And yep, loving Ncuti's energy right off the bat. Felt a _bit_ like a Doctor-River combo. (another reason this universe has been around so long is all the hooks the TV show leaves for other adventures - novels, Big Finish etc. - which I _think_ will be how the 14th Doctor is left, mostly. And i'm fine with that personally - if they want to bring 14 back here and there then great or if we get some audio stuff, also great BUT if it's just that we know they're out there, kind of like Wilf eternally - and harmlessly :) - shooting moles then i'm totally OK with that too, with the Doctor finally getting the one thing I never thought they could have - a happy ending)
I really loved these three specials, the actors just slid into their roles again perfectly. Also, I really didn't think we'd get _another_ puppet version of Amy!
I don't know if this was a callback to the 5th Doctor's last line, but Tennant said "It Feels Different This Time" which is what Peter Davison's 5th Doctor said before regenerating into the 6th Doctor played by Colin Baker.
I love how all that time with UNIT, and the interest on the money the Doctor was paid while he consulted for them, was enough to buy the house we see in the final scene.
The Master tooth and the disembodied red-fingernail hand... we know from the story where 10th regenerated into 11th that The Master had created a Cult who follows the Doctor's activities. They are the ones who revived The Master. According to Russel T. Davies in interviews, the bigeneration basically creates a Doctor Multiverse... going all the way back to the Timeless Child? For each Regeneration, there is now a branchpoint!
11:47 "Don't even fucking play with me!" Don't worry, Shayla, last time we saw The Master he was definitively and irrevocably killed, with no possible way he might show up again with no other explanation offered than "I escaped!"
Fun Fact:The Toymaker was originally portrayed by Michael Gough(R.I.P.) who was Alfred Pennyworth in the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher Batman films and was actually alongside Pat Hingle(Again R.I.P)`s Commissioner Gordon the only actor in all 4 of those films.
The hand with the red painted nails picking up the gold tooth, is a throwback to the scene towards the end of the final episode of season 3 The Last Of The Time Lords. If you remember The Doctor burns The Master's body and his gold ring falls of his hand, and is picked up by a hand with red painted nails. If you listen you can also hear the same manic laugh as it's picked up.
Just to clear up any questions people have... - Now we have 15, 14 can stay on earth till he dies of old age, when he does and regenerates instead of just turning into 15, he goes back to the bi-generation (so like time travel included with regeneration). - When the original stays with 14 at the end and 15 gets his own, 15's tardis is 14's future tardis when he has died of old age. Just like the bi-generation, the tardis has been brought back. - Combining all of this, it mean the Doctor gets to heal his mental health and stuff as 14, whilst continuing on the same moment in tim3 as a futu4e self. Wibbley wobbley timey wimey
14 could potentially be the curator from the 50th anniversary since it was never said if he could regenerate or not. Toymaker was a character from an episode from the Hartnell era. That's why 14 said he won a long time ago.
I was definitely apprehensive about David coming back, but I loved how Russell used this incarnation (14) to not only give 10 some closure, but also essentially give a happy ending to the Doctor that we've followed since 2005 all the way until now. Let him REST and settle down to emotionally heal, while 15 who has healed already can start fresh (it's implied in the episode that 15 is better now because 14 healed... who knows how that works, I don't think even Russell knows). The Doctor does love adventuring but I'd argue the happiest we saw him during this run was when he had a family with Amy and Rory and occasionally River, whom he later even spends 24 years with, uninterrupted. The Doctor needs that, but like for a full incarnation of just living with people he loves being happy. He's had it rough. See you at Christmas Shayla! It's cool to come back to your channel and see you still keeping up with Doctor Who, watching your reactions back then to not only WHO but also Vikings and Agents of Shield was a joy and it's like seeing an old mate. You're a very lovely person.
And here we are again... This is gonna be GOOD! Man, I kinda hoped to see you react not knowing NPH was in it since you were the ONE person that didn't know... But hey! Here's hoping you have fun as well! "Please don't come alive". Girl, you KNOW what show you're watching, right...? "Everbody think's they're right!" I mean... That's pretty much just the usual... I believe it's an honored tradition to Helicopter tow the TARDIS during an Anniversary episode now. At least Doc ain't hanging from the bottom this time! Also, UNIT got a whole ass Avengers Tower! I had the BIGGEST smile on my face when Mel showed up! She was the second to last Companion on the classic Show RIGHT before Ace! She was a computer programmer that never ONCE used a computer before so now she's FINALLY paying that off! Her mentioning the viking guy that ended up with Peri as well was a nice touch... I love how UNIT has an Alien handling their data. Just goes to show how it mixes into their job! I'm VERY excited to find out if those rumors of a UNIT spin off are true! The tune was a WONDERFUL touch... How it was INSTANTLY recognizable! But I¿ll have to check you here: The Weeping Angels were Moffat! I'm pretty sure that's the monster that made him Showrunner... I'm glad you clocked how improtant the Mel-Doctor catchup was... Such a beautiful friendship we didn't get to see much of... "Donna Noble: Agent of UNIT"! AND she got the Companion Bonus? Perfect! I need that spinoff NOW! AND HERE WE HAVE IT! The Celestial Toymaker himself! CRIMINALLY underutilized Classic Who villain who went up agains WIlliam Hartnell's First Doctor! He was played by Michael Gough back in the day and now he's played by Neil Patrick Harris! And MAN, he absolutely KILLED IT! One thing I WILL say... Russel made the Toymaker A LOT creepier than he was back in the day. Fun fact: All the puppets were practical effects! Toymaker just THROWING THE DEATHS IN 14'S FACE! GODS, NPH went WAY HARDER THAN HE SHOULD HAVE! So there's a way to get The Master back... You think he's seeing all of this happen in real time and wondering why the hell the Doctor looks like Tennant again? Well, if the Master IS watching, I KNOW he was proud of that dance number... Neil saw he had ONE episode and WENT FOR IT! The way the Toymaker didn't take up the Doctor's offer because cancel culture was so entertaining to him is fucking hilarious, btw. Just incredible. I just want to point out: 10's last words were "I don't want to go". 14's last words were gonna be "Let's go" in French... He was ready. He had his time. But now he doesn't HAVE to go. Now he gets to LIVE! (Also, that "I don't know, it feels different this time" was the last line the Fifth Doctor said before regenerating!) "No Way!" That's SOME first words! Welcome, 15! Also, don't think about how Tennant is going commando the rest of the episode... To both give my two cents on this and to answer the question in the Description: I GENUINELY believe that "Bigeneration" is TOTAL BULLSHIT. I noticed RTD pulling Deus Ex Machinas out of his ass in the first special too with the "We choose to let it go" and now this, but it genuinely feels like he just wanted to write a fix-it fic with this one... That said, much like with the Timeless Child, I hate the concept, especially because they didn't give any explanation other than "It's supposed to be a Myth", but I am REALLY curious how it's gonna change things from now... My problem is the repercussions. What's stopping every Doctor from splitting into two like a Worm from now on? What stops the Master from doing it? Is this how we get the Valeyard? I don't know how to feel about the repercussions, but I know they're gonna have to REALLY explain this shit at some point and put some serious restrictions on it... As for Ncuti's Doctor, he feels AMAZING! Like, whenever a Regen happens, we usually have a slightly depressed Doctor going though the motions and then masking for a Companion, but 15 came in and was PURE positivity from the GO! He's gonna KILL it! The Legions... Hmm. That's setting up something big, I think. Between that, the mention of The One Who Waits ad whoever the Meep's boss is (unless it's the same person), Ncuti's run is setting up for a BUNCH of shit! I think it was Kate's hand that took the Master, judging by the nails. Probably to put him in the vault too... But let's face it. That bastard is getting out one way or another! Gods, the RECAP... "Trial of a Time Lord", "The Key to Time", "Logopolis", "Earthshock"... Adric and Sarah Jane... They went for my heart SPECIFICALLY with that. Ncuti, you're already amazing. And DAVID FUCKING TENNANT HOW DO YOU LOOK LIKE A KICKED PUPPY THAT WELL?!?! Two Tardises...This means we can have 14 and Donna whenever we want! David Tennant is the PERMANENT GUEST! Shit, that UNIT Spinoff might be even better than I thought now! "I've never been so happy in all my life." This is a man that was married 4 times, had a child and had a granddaughter who he travelled the universe with, fell in love more times than he could count, discovered his people didn't die by his hand, and saved the universe more times than it deserved... And THIS is the happiest he's ever been... Let 15 handle the new adventures. This Doctor? The 14th? The one that's been running since the start? He gets to stop. He gets to have a break. He gets to LIVE. after all these years. No matter what happens, the other Doctor's got it... And wether or not he becomes something good or bad, a Curator or a Valeyard... Whether we get David Tennant to guest star forever now... I get to say one thing for sure: This Doctor doesn't have to go. But as for Ncuti? Christmas can't come soon enough! WOO WHO! Loved your Rambles. Can't wait for next time! Question: You think 14 just runs into old Companions in the present day? Like, Martha runs into him on occasion and just gives him ALL the shit in the world? 'Cause I fucking ADORE the prospect of it! (Never mind, you got to that just as I wasa typing it!)
The Toymaker was a first Doctor series that has almost entirely been lost to time. Only one episode still exists. However, the BBC is going to be releasing an animated reconstruction of the missing parts.
Bringing in The Toy Maker was interesting and fantastic. NPH played him so well. What is really interesting is that he is one of the first Doctor Who Villains, he is also one of the most powerful and incidentally only clips of his episode still exist cus it's a lost episode.
8:28 Yeh that's what I thought. The toymaker in that scene definitely gave me vibes of Jobu Topaki from "Everything Everywhere All at Once" . I loved the bi-generation and for once getting a happy ending for the doctor.
Have you thought about reacting to classic who, Shayla? That way you can. See what the companions are like. It's cheesy comma but I love it. A lot of people love it. 🥰☺️
I was listening to the post-show chat and I was brushing off Missy because I don't want to get my hopes up. Plus, The Master is in the tooth, separate to the hand. But then you went and pitched a Gomez/Simm/Dharwan multi-Master story and now that's all I want.
When I first watched this with my bestie, when 14 was about to hit regeneration and Mel said he was fantastic I just said "He's regenerating into Eccleston!" I'm not necessarily disappointed, but also why not? Haha
This was basically a happily ever after for 10/14. I assume he'll pop out of 14 and become 15 when he regenerates. That hammer also probably just smacked his TARDIS back from the future as opposed to copying it. Hence the ramp and jukebox.
My head cannon is that the 14th doctor becomes the 1st curator and cycles through regenerations as the curator until he's ready to become the 15th doctor. Also, Mel traveled with the 6th and 7th doctors during classic Who.
sBonnie Langford (Mel) has a really impressive CV, she's done loads of musical theatre in the UK as well a a csuple years on our biggest soap opera, Eastenders
I think the hand is also missy and that Dhawan comes after Simms. I like to think the master outsmarted the toymaker the same way the doctor did because they bi regenerated but kept their bi regeneration secret and dhawan is the one who battled and lost to the toymaker but then Missy is the one who waits and is the same as the woman he cut the hair off for the doll coz he says ‘it won’t be MISSED’ and ‘she wont MISS anything ever again’ but the toymaker doesn’t know that Missy is the master. We never saw the order of this regeneration and the doctor said timelords doing rehab out of order so I’m curious if same for the Master.
I would say that this episode was a lot more fanservice than story... and I loved it. Kate and Mel and 14 getting a family and 15... and Harris' Toymaker dancing, and the dead-companions scene... it was a firework of emotions and memories... and foreshadowing. I'm looking forward to 15's run... what kind of Doctor is he going to be?
for me I scrambled the day before cause I have fridays off now I thought it was a saturday and ended up waiting for nothing realizing the date, I watched live cried at alonzee and cried happy tears seeing the bigeneration screaming into my mouth over the possibility of either a series with david tennant a future anniversery 2 doctors episode or a movie
One of the things Davies wanted the specials to do was to set us up for a new spinoff that will follow the adventures of UNIT. _The Giggle_ accomplishes this goal admirably. The primary characters will presumably be Kate Lethbridge-Stewart, Shirley Bingham, Melanie Bush, Donna Noble, and The Vlinx. And since Fourteen is now a member of Donna's family, while Fifteen is busy saving the universe from whatever threat it's about to encounter, it's most likely that we'll occasionally see Fourteen in the UNIT spinoff. It's much less likely that we'll encounter him in _Doctor Who._
Ncuti is already great. He was already more than holding his own alongside David Tennant, which suggests great things for what he's going to do with the role during the upcoming season. As for the bi-generation, I don't think it's something that we're going to keep seeing. Like 15 said, it's supposed to be a myth, and I think the Celestial Toymaker's interference was part of what was making myths into reality. Also, this sort of thing has happened before in Star Trek in the first film of the reboot. At the end, there were two Spocks so the younger one was able to go off on adventures with the Enterprise since the older one could stay behind to help rebuild Vulcan. In the same way, 14 can stay on Earth to recover from all of his continuous trauma since 15 was now available to go off and continue to save the universe that constantly needs saving.
@@Kyubone Young Spock was going to leave Star Fleet to help establish a new Vulcan, and old Spock told he didn't have to because they could in two places at once, which is sort of what's happening here. Their personal timelines/lifetimes aren't crossing over, they're intersecting and concurrent. The parallel struck me pretty clearly as I was watching this episode.
Great work Shayla. The spilled salt and the rash words of 14 at the edge of the universe will surely continue to cause ripples- It will explain the appearance of gods and mythical beasts - Goblins are coming, after all.
The reference to 15 having 14's memories of healing ("we're doing rehab out of order,") makes me think that 14 will eventually, when his time comes, vanish, travelling back down his own timeline to become 15 and emerge from his past self. Similarly, I'm choosing to interpret the TARDIS thing as 15 knocking next week out of the TARDIS, rather the TARDIS into next week. It's its own future self brought into the present, rather than a duplicate.
Overall I love this episode a lot only thing I’m not a fan of is how the regeneration went down, just makes no sense and them adding more and more random stuff the doctor can do, doesn’t make it good. Also David’s doctor is apart but the other doctors aren’t.. can they not come back and be separated. What are the rules dammit!? Apart from that, loved the Toymaker and the conflict, David and everyone did great as always. Is lovely to see his doctor get a nice ending after everything he went through. Do look forward to Ncuti Gatwa doctor. Happy to see your reactions as always. 💙
Ok I was not expecting that. But I guess they wanted to change how the regenerations work so the 10th/14 Doctor could say. GLad he gets to stay and got his won Tardis.
The original Toymaker story from back in the day has an appeal that has missed me completely. When I was growing up with the show “Celestial Toymaker” was always held up as the best of the best but you couldn’t watch it because three of the four episodes do not exist. Then a novelization was published and at least one could experience the story that way, but it never really grabbed me at all. Then the one surviving episode was released on a VHS compilation of First Doctor odds and ends and finally I could see something of this fabled classic adventure but it left me seriously underwhelmed. It felt like the show had overspent on the previous couple stories and had to do a cheap one without a lot of moving parts to compensate - AND apparently Hartnell got sick so he had to be written out of most of it, which didn’t help. Michael Gough was great in the part, but the whole thing seemed a bit underdeveloped. I think it was before the novelization came out that plans were announced to bring back the Toymaker in a Sixth Doctor story called “The Nightmare Fair” but that was part of a season that the BBC canceled for all sorts of reasons that are still debated to this day. The assumption was that Gough would come back and play the Toymaker again but I don’t know if it got that far before it went away. Seems to me the Toymaker appeared in the comics a bunch of times over the years as well so obviously I’m missing something about that original story that resonated with everyone else. Fair enough. With that background I can’t say I was actively looking forward to “The Giggle” but I assumed/hoped that RTD and NPH would spin gold from what lore existed and they did. 😊
Did you notice that the costume split with the bi-generation? Ncuti got the shirt, shoes, socks and underwear, David got the trousers, waistcoat and undershirt. Which means that canonically speaking, David was going commando! 😉
My theory on the Toymaker's legions: In Wild Blue Yonder, the Not Doctor said he and Not Donna wanted to go to the universe to play "vicious games". Could the Not Things be his legions?
I've gone back and looked and if anyone is wondering who picked up the tooth I am pretty confident it was Kate. At the scene when Kate hugs the doctor you clearly see the red manicured fingers.
I like how future editing Shayla used to just make words appear in the top right corner of past Shayla's videos, but now shes started time travelling and interrupting past Shayla in person. What's the next stage of evolution?
I absolutely adore the "Well that's alright then" scene. We often use the same lines the Doctor uses when talking about their departures in a way that diminishes their deaths, but it doesn't change the fact that they traveled with the Doctor and ended up dead. No matter what the Doctor tells themselves to feel better, those companions died on the Doctor's watch.
It might sound hyperbolic, but it might be my favourite scene in Doctor Who since Capaldi's era
Amy and Rory die of old age because of the Weeping Angels, Clara was killed by the bird and then she is alive with her own TARDIS which I never quite understood
The delivery is just so freaking good
@@SpeedyCat19 we have to remember that RTD is who gave us Doctor Who back in the first place. He's not perfect but he knows what he's doing.
@@glenmartin7978 Basically, Capaldi took Clara from like, a second before her death and made her immortal so that she can go on a ton of adventures and then go back to die at the appropriate time and place at the age she's supposed to be when she's lived a fulfilled life.
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey shenanigans at their fullest.
Imagine the charisma or takes to explode on to the screen like Ncuti did... with Tennant being all Tennant in the same scene
It's a real testament to Ncuti's talent that he shines even when standing next to his predecessor.
The 10th doctor final words: "i don't want to go"
And Now, he gets to stay❤
I never knew what this show needed was a camp teleporting trickster god singing Spice Up Your Life.
What show doesn't need that?
Sopranos? 🙃
yes you did
I have to say, you're genuinely one of my favourite people to watch for reactions to doctor who!!!
Anytime a new episode comes out I always can’t wait to see your reactions
Bigeneration is a myth - but like the salt from last episode - it's a myth AND a rule (thanks to the toymakers presence) ^_^
Yeah, a LOT of people seemed to miss that. 😕
I didn't get that at first, but rewatching it it makes perfect sense; things aren't real, until they are. The Toymaker is not of this universe, his presence changes the rules
Seeing Mel back was an absolute delight, I went on a binge of the classic show last year and her exit broke my heart so it's nice to see she's okay
I fell in love with Ncuti the moment he came on screen, the show is in safe hands, also if Ncuti was wearing the pants... what was Tennant wearing then ;)
Ncuti got the undies and tie so clearly David is commando in those trousers >:D
his doctor reminds me of matt's doctor playful and very energised but he doesn't seem to be as dark as the other doctors
I'm guessing it was quickly decided that Ncuti had nicer legs than David.
yes when they split they split the clothes also, he got the underwear, tie, etc. So he took half the clothes and David got the other half.
Ncuti's doctor said, we're doing trauma therapy out of order, 14 is the doctor who takes time off, gets therapy of living a life and sorting out his mental health, then regenerates into 15 and gets whisked into the bi-regeneration. We're witnessing a fixed loop in time of the doctors life. So take everything that happens to 14 up until tennant the actor, officially retires, and then... start at 15 from the bigneration and go forward. Brilliant ;)
There is a theory: The 14th regenerates in the future, when it should actually regenerate. And, in the first moments of 15th, he is pulled into the past. Then, he ended up during the fight between 14th and Toymaker. What makes it clear that 15th came from 14th's future is that he says he's fine because 14th stopped to fix himself. He could only be okay and know why this happened if he came from the future, since, until that moment, the 14th hadn't stopped. At the end of The Giggle, he's heading to the exact spot he was, seconds after he disappeared. And if you think about it, bigeneration. Bi. The same incarnation regenerated twice: Once, in The Giggle and once in the future.
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey
This theory has by now basically been comfirmed by Russel T Davies, so you were right on the money, when 14 dies, he goes right back to the moment they bigenerated and becomes 15
I really like this, it fits with the plot in every way.
@@AlanCanon2222bro it *is* the plot, it’s not a fan theory. All right there in the episode, hard to miss unless your head is filled with reddit theories about the Curator or the Valeyard. Media literacy is dead
I'm sorry...this is absolutely rubbish! It doesn't make sense (yeah cone at me trolls).
You mentioning that 15 seems to be a flirt cracked me up because my first thought was "We need to get John Barrowman back again because it would be chaos"
I would love to see Harkness again, just not as John. Due to his history of sexually harassing his coworkers on set and then cutting a fit and playing the victim when he’s called out for it :/ his harassment and shitty behavior is one reason why Christopher left early. I think by now Russel would know not to bring him back and force people to work with him again :/
If there's someone we don't need is Barrowman
Funnily enough both are Scottish actors who started off using an Americanized Transatlantic accent on the show before easing back slowly into their natural Scottish one in future appearances.
My first impression of Ncuti's Doctor: FANTASTIC!😍
The Doctor has through been a goddamn 18 year story arc of learning to love himself, only our beloved show could do that
Time to start the story again!
What I find amazing is that everyone else kept the tortured Doctor personality that RTD created, and it took him coming back to change the main character motivation again.
You serious?! This is the 60th anniversary special! He’s been through 60 years! This shows trash now.
What I hope they do is canonize the story from the expanded Whoniverse that the Curator (from Day of the Doctor) is an alternate version of the Doctor that retired and ran a gallery. The 14th Doctor has essentially retired and letting the 15th Doctor go on adventures so this fits the premise. The Curator even said that the Doctor would revisit some faces. He is also the one that hinted to the 11th Doctor that Gallifrey survived, which the 14th Doctor would know.
Thought the ssame
14 turns into 15, it’s made clear in the episode. It’s the entire point of 14’s ending, he’s gonna rest and heal himself before regenerating into the revitalised 15 we meet here
@@thegentleassassin But 14 still exists. We currently don't know what will happen to him if he is "killed" again. He might turn into Ncuti Gatwa, or he could turn into Tom Baker.
@@Trikeboy2 why would he turn into Tom Baker ??? where has that been suggested outside of niche subreddits??? He turns into Ncuti Gatwa, as is made perfectly clear in the episode!!! You’re getting sidetracked by wish fulfilment fan theories, and completely missing the thematic and emotional intention of 14’s ending
@@thegentleassassin People are reading too much into that. The whole point of trauma is that there is an emotional period of healing alongside the physical trauma. With Regeneration there is no period of recovery, no steps of grieving. No last rites etc.
When someone physically heals in real-life, from a broken leg etc. they've had time to come to terms with that reality. There's 0 time for instant regeneration to process that you have even been hurt.
19:40 "now I'm going into fan gremlin mode here" the best mode to be in really.
I LOVED the callback of having a mysterious hand pick up an item linked to the Master (which happened after 10 burned the body of the Simm!Master after he died in 10's arms) {i am also going FERAL rn}
Another multi-Master story would be great - especially if Sacha gets to meet the others.
O, Missy, Saxon, and just for fun, Eric Roberts.
Imagine if the Master got even a fraction of the Toymaker's powers thanks to still having the tooth.
I’m so glad you always come back for Doctor Who. Your reactions are always a treat
Stings that when Mel said "every one of you is fantastic" a bit of the Ninth Doctor's regeneration music played!
Your reactions are always a delight to watch! Easily some of the best out there!
Personally, I like the "bi-generation" concept. It's unprecedented, but not entirely - we've seen sort of similar Regeneration-weirdness in the Classic series, albeit not this. And, I don't think the mechanics of _how_ it happened is really important, so much as the fact that it _did_ happen. As I understood it, the 15th Doctor gets all the healing/therapeutic benefits of 14 living out a normal life on Earth - it seems like he _remembers_ all that, at least on some level. That's huge - we've had the Doctor as the Lonely God for so long, carrying all that guilt and trauma since the Time War at least; it'll be a refreshing change to see an incarnation of the character who's finally healed from all that!
And, man, Gatwa made a hell of a first impression! His energy, his charisma, his humor (and, gods, he's hot!)... I can already tell he'll be a lot of fun! And on a personal note, his whole attitude of open, unfiltered love and affection (and flirtatiousness) really connects with me and where I am in my life right now. I'm really looking forward to seeing his era of the show!
So the Celestial Toymaker is one of the missing stories with only the 4th and final episode surviving but the good news is they just announced they are doing a animated version so we can finally see it all
yes sad that so much has been lost over time, at least with current day digital its always a good chance you won't lose history and shows that way any more. I had hoped over the years maybe someone, just someone had video taped episodes or such that might still have some type of copy of the lost shows, but i guess not.
I have to say, that's the nastiest death hit the Doctor's ever taken.
Bigeneration is RTD's way to explain why there can be multiple Doctor's in future events. Basically, every Doctor has bigenerated and the "split" version is off doing adventures while we follow the original on their adventures. Then when they come back together (50th Curator) this can explain why they look older in the episode. They just grew old over time and is doing their retirement jobs when we see them again.
That could mean that the previous Doctor loses the hability to regenerate (or bi-generate)and gets old...
All the talks about past events of 2005 and classics made me love this special so much ! So good !!
Omg ive been waiting for this! Ok, real talk: still not sure how I feel about the bi-genetation, but im freaking loving Ncuti Gatwa's energy!
YES! Shayla, I knew you were gonna love Ncuti immediately! Honestly I was expecting some more tears from you on this one - tears of joy, lol. On the face of it, I was slightly worried that Bigeneration would mean 14 gets to keep traveling with Donna and it would undermine Ncuti - but we've since heard some bts thinking from RTD and I'm feeling a little better about it now (spoilers on just how much we know of RTD's thoughts/plans, but if you're curious, I'll give you my thoughts/theories, lol). Can't wait to hear from you & see your Christmas reaction!
The FIRST thing I noticed about the New Doctor was he wasn't wearing any pants and I'm so glad you noticed it too!
This is only the second on-screen appearance of The Toymaker, after _The Celestial Toymaker_ in 1966. Mel Bush was a 6th/7th Doctor companion from 1986-87.
In 1985, the comedian Lenny Henry made a BBC tv comedy sketch about a newly regenerated Doctor. This sketch can still be seen on RUclips. I highly recommend it, for how Lenny's version of the Doctor is dressed, is almost similar to the way Ncuti Gatwa's Doctor will appear in the Christmas episode, right down to the thin moustache
I absolutely love that 10/14 finally got to settle with his surrogate family. I’ve never been so happy in my life.
That Missy theory is actually really good. The fella who bought the puppet was restored after the Toymaker lost, so theoretically, the master/missy should've too. The tooth was probably empty, so it leaves a lot to theorise about. I think there's also a possibility that Simm's Master bi-generated into Sacha and Missy, explaining the contrasting personalities between them both.
😮 effing brilliant. that's my head canon now. Missy was my favorite version of the Master
1. I too am so happy that 14 gets to stay with his family and heal emotionally. The only thing that could make it better would be him getting his other family from the 10th Doctor era back: Rose and Jackie. I have had a theory for a while that the metacrisis Doctor is the Valeyard and will show up again at some point and have to be stop because he has gone round the bend. That could bring the Tylers back to the main universe. Another theory since this episode is what if his Doctor is the one to "visit some old favorite" faces and will eventually become the Curator. I see some people saying he will eventually merge with 15 or into 15, but interview with RTD since the episode kind of imply that is not the plan. 2. Hate to burst the Missy bubble, but Kate Stewart actually has red nail during the episode. I don't know why they would bother to hid it was her, but she is the most logical option.
Came across your channel today. Gotta say, I love your reactions. They seem so genuine from a fan perspective, they're really great. Keep up the good work!
As someone whose watched classic who all those references at the end hit me so hard
Exiled to earth
The trial of a time lord and the valyard
Holding the key to time itself in his hands
Logopolis reduced to dust
The gods of Ragnarok
The people that are lost
The sheer amount the doctor has been through, the people the doctor has loved and lost
We've come along way since meeting an unearthly child on the 23rd of November 1963
Always a joy to watch your reactions. Looking forward to more with the Fifteenth Doctor.
"Donna!"
"I'm already doing my running on-the-spot acting."
All the reactions I’ve seen so far, I ADORE your take on Ten and Donna the best. I get frustrated by all the hate over the years for David’s exit, saying it’s self indulgent. I never felt that it was I think that because he was SO popular, it kind of felt like a death and end of an era to a lot of viewers, and they were acknowledging that grief a lot of were going through . Wasn’t sure I loved undoing the tragedy of Donna’s story, but I love how you put it, that he was always the version that wanted more time with “his” people, and now he finally gets this reward. And Donna gets to be truly happy with her best friend. Stellar reaction. Thank you!
Hey Shayla, I watch this on my own on a Saturday and just enjoy every minute of it but when you air your reaction to it, it's like I'm getting an entire new and different and better aspect from it. I even notice things I didn't notice the first time, so thank you for doing these videos I really enjoy them 😊❤
I was waiting for your reactions and Sesskas reaction, so satisfied
Not going to lie I wanted to see your reaction to the bigeneration and you did not disappoint lol. I loved how you were like I don't know if I am going to cry this time and you went from tears to like wtf in under a second.
I'm aggressively neutral on bigeneration, but have enjoyed Gatwa's performance so far. Both in this and in the preview scene for the Christmas Special which I won't say anything about. Far to early to get a sense of where Gatwa's going to land in my Doctor rankings, though I'm sure I'll love his performance.
Hah, yep "WTF?" indeed :). S'why it's 60 years and counting right ? You gotta keep moving.
And yep, loving Ncuti's energy right off the bat. Felt a _bit_ like a Doctor-River combo.
(another reason this universe has been around so long is all the hooks the TV show leaves for other adventures - novels, Big Finish etc. - which I _think_ will be how the 14th Doctor is left, mostly. And i'm fine with that personally - if they want to bring 14 back here and there then great or if we get some audio stuff, also great BUT if it's just that we know they're out there, kind of like Wilf eternally - and harmlessly :) - shooting moles then i'm totally OK with that too, with the Doctor finally getting the one thing I never thought they could have - a happy ending)
19:45 After looking it up, yeah Missy not only had painted nails, but she even had that exact color of nails
I really loved these three specials, the actors just slid into their roles again perfectly.
Also, I really didn't think we'd get _another_ puppet version of Amy!
I don't know if this was a callback to the 5th Doctor's last line, but Tennant said "It Feels Different This Time" which is what Peter Davison's 5th Doctor said before regenerating into the 6th Doctor played by Colin Baker.
Great reference to The Caves of Androzani! ❤
I love how all that time with UNIT, and the interest on the money the Doctor was paid while he consulted for them, was enough to buy the house we see in the final scene.
Really happy for you that this video is doing numbers! Just discovered your stuff a few weeks ago.
YESSSSS I needed a fun stress relief activity today, this is perfect timing ❤️
The Master tooth and the disembodied red-fingernail hand... we know from the story where 10th regenerated into 11th that The Master had created a Cult who follows the Doctor's activities. They are the ones who revived The Master.
According to Russel T. Davies in interviews, the bigeneration basically creates a Doctor Multiverse... going all the way back to the Timeless Child? For each Regeneration, there is now a branchpoint!
You and your kid reacting together is adorable.
11:47 "Don't even fucking play with me!" Don't worry, Shayla, last time we saw The Master he was definitively and irrevocably killed, with no possible way he might show up again with no other explanation offered than "I escaped!"
Fun Fact:The Toymaker was originally portrayed by Michael Gough(R.I.P.) who was Alfred Pennyworth in the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher Batman films and was actually alongside Pat Hingle(Again R.I.P)`s Commissioner Gordon the only actor in all 4 of those films.
The hand with the red painted nails picking up the gold tooth, is a throwback to the scene towards the end of the final episode of season 3 The Last Of The Time Lords. If you remember The Doctor burns The Master's body and his gold ring falls of his hand, and is picked up by a hand with red painted nails. If you listen you can also hear the same manic laugh as it's picked up.
Just to clear up any questions people have...
- Now we have 15, 14 can stay on earth till he dies of old age, when he does and regenerates instead of just turning into 15, he goes back to the bi-generation (so like time travel included with regeneration).
- When the original stays with 14 at the end and 15 gets his own, 15's tardis is 14's future tardis when he has died of old age. Just like the bi-generation, the tardis has been brought back.
- Combining all of this, it mean the Doctor gets to heal his mental health and stuff as 14, whilst continuing on the same moment in tim3 as a futu4e self. Wibbley wobbley timey wimey
14 could potentially be the curator from the 50th anniversary since it was never said if he could regenerate or not. Toymaker was a character from an episode from the Hartnell era. That's why 14 said he won a long time ago.
I was definitely apprehensive about David coming back, but I loved how Russell used this incarnation (14) to not only give 10 some closure, but also essentially give a happy ending to the Doctor that we've followed since 2005 all the way until now. Let him REST and settle down to emotionally heal, while 15 who has healed already can start fresh (it's implied in the episode that 15 is better now because 14 healed... who knows how that works, I don't think even Russell knows). The Doctor does love adventuring but I'd argue the happiest we saw him during this run was when he had a family with Amy and Rory and occasionally River, whom he later even spends 24 years with, uninterrupted. The Doctor needs that, but like for a full incarnation of just living with people he loves being happy. He's had it rough.
See you at Christmas Shayla! It's cool to come back to your channel and see you still keeping up with Doctor Who, watching your reactions back then to not only WHO but also Vikings and Agents of Shield was a joy and it's like seeing an old mate. You're a very lovely person.
And here we are again... This is gonna be GOOD!
Man, I kinda hoped to see you react not knowing NPH was in it since you were the ONE person that didn't know... But hey! Here's hoping you have fun as well!
"Please don't come alive". Girl, you KNOW what show you're watching, right...?
"Everbody think's they're right!" I mean... That's pretty much just the usual...
I believe it's an honored tradition to Helicopter tow the TARDIS during an Anniversary episode now. At least Doc ain't hanging from the bottom this time!
Also, UNIT got a whole ass Avengers Tower!
I had the BIGGEST smile on my face when Mel showed up! She was the second to last Companion on the classic Show RIGHT before Ace! She was a computer programmer that never ONCE used a computer before so now she's FINALLY paying that off! Her mentioning the viking guy that ended up with Peri as well was a nice touch...
I love how UNIT has an Alien handling their data. Just goes to show how it mixes into their job! I'm VERY excited to find out if those rumors of a UNIT spin off are true!
The tune was a WONDERFUL touch... How it was INSTANTLY recognizable! But I¿ll have to check you here: The Weeping Angels were Moffat! I'm pretty sure that's the monster that made him Showrunner...
I'm glad you clocked how improtant the Mel-Doctor catchup was... Such a beautiful friendship we didn't get to see much of...
"Donna Noble: Agent of UNIT"! AND she got the Companion Bonus? Perfect! I need that spinoff NOW!
AND HERE WE HAVE IT! The Celestial Toymaker himself! CRIMINALLY underutilized Classic Who villain who went up agains WIlliam Hartnell's First Doctor! He was played by Michael Gough back in the day and now he's played by Neil Patrick Harris! And MAN, he absolutely KILLED IT!
One thing I WILL say... Russel made the Toymaker A LOT creepier than he was back in the day. Fun fact: All the puppets were practical effects!
Toymaker just THROWING THE DEATHS IN 14'S FACE! GODS, NPH went WAY HARDER THAN HE SHOULD HAVE!
So there's a way to get The Master back... You think he's seeing all of this happen in real time and wondering why the hell the Doctor looks like Tennant again?
Well, if the Master IS watching, I KNOW he was proud of that dance number... Neil saw he had ONE episode and WENT FOR IT!
The way the Toymaker didn't take up the Doctor's offer because cancel culture was so entertaining to him is fucking hilarious, btw. Just incredible.
I just want to point out: 10's last words were "I don't want to go". 14's last words were gonna be "Let's go" in French... He was ready. He had his time. But now he doesn't HAVE to go. Now he gets to LIVE! (Also, that "I don't know, it feels different this time" was the last line the Fifth Doctor said before regenerating!)
"No Way!" That's SOME first words! Welcome, 15! Also, don't think about how Tennant is going commando the rest of the episode...
To both give my two cents on this and to answer the question in the Description: I GENUINELY believe that "Bigeneration" is TOTAL BULLSHIT. I noticed RTD pulling Deus Ex Machinas out of his ass in the first special too with the "We choose to let it go" and now this, but it genuinely feels like he just wanted to write a fix-it fic with this one... That said, much like with the Timeless Child, I hate the concept, especially because they didn't give any explanation other than "It's supposed to be a Myth", but I am REALLY curious how it's gonna change things from now... My problem is the repercussions. What's stopping every Doctor from splitting into two like a Worm from now on? What stops the Master from doing it? Is this how we get the Valeyard? I don't know how to feel about the repercussions, but I know they're gonna have to REALLY explain this shit at some point and put some serious restrictions on it...
As for Ncuti's Doctor, he feels AMAZING! Like, whenever a Regen happens, we usually have a slightly depressed Doctor going though the motions and then masking for a Companion, but 15 came in and was PURE positivity from the GO! He's gonna KILL it!
The Legions... Hmm. That's setting up something big, I think. Between that, the mention of The One Who Waits ad whoever the Meep's boss is (unless it's the same person), Ncuti's run is setting up for a BUNCH of shit!
I think it was Kate's hand that took the Master, judging by the nails. Probably to put him in the vault too... But let's face it. That bastard is getting out one way or another!
Gods, the RECAP... "Trial of a Time Lord", "The Key to Time", "Logopolis", "Earthshock"... Adric and Sarah Jane... They went for my heart SPECIFICALLY with that. Ncuti, you're already amazing. And DAVID FUCKING TENNANT HOW DO YOU LOOK LIKE A KICKED PUPPY THAT WELL?!?!
Two Tardises...This means we can have 14 and Donna whenever we want! David Tennant is the PERMANENT GUEST! Shit, that UNIT Spinoff might be even better than I thought now!
"I've never been so happy in all my life." This is a man that was married 4 times, had a child and had a granddaughter who he travelled the universe with, fell in love more times than he could count, discovered his people didn't die by his hand, and saved the universe more times than it deserved... And THIS is the happiest he's ever been... Let 15 handle the new adventures. This Doctor? The 14th? The one that's been running since the start? He gets to stop. He gets to have a break. He gets to LIVE. after all these years. No matter what happens, the other Doctor's got it... And wether or not he becomes something good or bad, a Curator or a Valeyard... Whether we get David Tennant to guest star forever now... I get to say one thing for sure: This Doctor doesn't have to go.
But as for Ncuti? Christmas can't come soon enough! WOO WHO!
Loved your Rambles. Can't wait for next time!
Question: You think 14 just runs into old Companions in the present day? Like, Martha runs into him on occasion and just gives him ALL the shit in the world? 'Cause I fucking ADORE the prospect of it! (Never mind, you got to that just as I wasa typing it!)
The Toymaker was a first Doctor series that has almost entirely been lost to time. Only one episode still exists. However, the BBC is going to be releasing an animated reconstruction of the missing parts.
I think the doctor that is relaxing is The Curator from the 50th. I think thos doctor is going to just visit past faces
It's funny you said Kate was mad because I was expecting an almighty clara style slap until she hugged him. Welcome back I missed you genuinly
Bringing in The Toy Maker was interesting and fantastic. NPH played him so well.
What is really interesting is that he is one of the first Doctor Who Villains, he is also one of the most powerful and incidentally only clips of his episode still exist cus it's a lost episode.
This episode made me cry on multiple occasions 😭😭😭
These 60th Anniversary episodes was pure magic.
8:28 Yeh that's what I thought. The toymaker in that scene definitely gave me vibes of Jobu Topaki from "Everything Everywhere All at Once" . I loved the bi-generation and for once getting a happy ending for the doctor.
Have you thought about reacting to classic who, Shayla? That way you can.
See what the companions are like. It's cheesy comma but I love it. A lot of people love it. 🥰☺️
I was listening to the post-show chat and I was brushing off Missy because I don't want to get my hopes up. Plus, The Master is in the tooth, separate to the hand.
But then you went and pitched a Gomez/Simm/Dharwan multi-Master story and now that's all I want.
There is a brilliant video where Russell explains everything, and it totally makes sense and opens the door to so many cool possibilities!!
it does im following for updates onwhat happens next with our 14th doctor
When I first watched this with my bestie, when 14 was about to hit regeneration and Mel said he was fantastic I just said "He's regenerating into Eccleston!"
I'm not necessarily disappointed, but also why not? Haha
This was basically a happily ever after for 10/14. I assume he'll pop out of 14 and become 15 when he regenerates. That hammer also probably just smacked his TARDIS back from the future as opposed to copying it. Hence the ramp and jukebox.
My head cannon is that the 14th doctor becomes the 1st curator and cycles through regenerations as the curator until he's ready to become the 15th doctor. Also, Mel traveled with the 6th and 7th doctors during classic Who.
no, i just woke up from a nap and realized ive not gotten enough of tyhis episode. so i typed in reaction on youtube. thank you for assuiming /s
Nothing better than seeing a Doctor Who reaction the day before an important test. It's going to be a future me problem 😅
I'm excited for The Church on Ruby Road!! I can't wait for Ncuti's Doctor!!
I wasnt paying proper attention to the audio when the tooth was being picked up before. i heard the different incarnations of the master laughing
sBonnie Langford (Mel) has a really impressive CV, she's done loads of musical theatre in the UK as well a a csuple years on our biggest soap opera, Eastenders
I think the hand is also missy and that Dhawan comes after Simms. I like to think the master outsmarted the toymaker the same way the doctor did because they bi regenerated but kept their bi regeneration secret and dhawan is the one who battled and lost to the toymaker but then Missy is the one who waits and is the same as the woman he cut the hair off for the doll coz he says ‘it won’t be MISSED’ and ‘she wont MISS anything ever again’ but the toymaker doesn’t know that Missy is the master. We never saw the order of this regeneration and the doctor said timelords doing rehab out of order so I’m curious if same for the Master.
I would say that this episode was a lot more fanservice than story... and I loved it. Kate and Mel and 14 getting a family and 15... and Harris' Toymaker dancing, and the dead-companions scene... it was a firework of emotions and memories... and foreshadowing.
I'm looking forward to 15's run... what kind of Doctor is he going to be?
for me I scrambled the day before cause I have fridays off now I thought it was a saturday and ended up waiting for nothing realizing the date, I watched live cried at alonzee and cried happy tears seeing the bigeneration screaming into my mouth over the possibility of either a series with david tennant a future anniversery 2 doctors episode or a movie
It's good to see you again shayla , it's been a long time , greetings from Ecuador
One of the things Davies wanted the specials to do was to set us up for a new spinoff that will follow the adventures of UNIT. _The Giggle_ accomplishes this goal admirably. The primary characters will presumably be Kate Lethbridge-Stewart, Shirley Bingham, Melanie Bush, Donna Noble, and The Vlinx. And since Fourteen is now a member of Donna's family, while Fifteen is busy saving the universe from whatever threat it's about to encounter, it's most likely that we'll occasionally see Fourteen in the UNIT spinoff. It's much less likely that we'll encounter him in _Doctor Who._
Ncuti is already great. He was already more than holding his own alongside David Tennant, which suggests great things for what he's going to do with the role during the upcoming season. As for the bi-generation, I don't think it's something that we're going to keep seeing. Like 15 said, it's supposed to be a myth, and I think the Celestial Toymaker's interference was part of what was making myths into reality. Also, this sort of thing has happened before in Star Trek in the first film of the reboot. At the end, there were two Spocks so the younger one was able to go off on adventures with the Enterprise since the older one could stay behind to help rebuild Vulcan. In the same way, 14 can stay on Earth to recover from all of his continuous trauma since 15 was now available to go off and continue to save the universe that constantly needs saving.
@@Kyubone Young Spock was going to leave Star Fleet to help establish a new Vulcan, and old Spock told he didn't have to because they could in two places at once, which is sort of what's happening here. Their personal timelines/lifetimes aren't crossing over, they're intersecting and concurrent. The parallel struck me pretty clearly as I was watching this episode.
Great work Shayla. The spilled salt and the rash words of 14 at the edge of the universe will surely continue to cause ripples- It will explain the appearance of gods and mythical beasts - Goblins are coming, after all.
The reference to 15 having 14's memories of healing ("we're doing rehab out of order,") makes me think that 14 will eventually, when his time comes, vanish, travelling back down his own timeline to become 15 and emerge from his past self. Similarly, I'm choosing to interpret the TARDIS thing as 15 knocking next week out of the TARDIS, rather the TARDIS into next week. It's its own future self brought into the present, rather than a duplicate.
where do you get your awesome shirts from?
Overall I love this episode a lot only thing I’m not a fan of is how the regeneration went down, just makes no sense and them adding more and more random stuff the doctor can do, doesn’t make it good. Also David’s doctor is apart but the other doctors aren’t.. can they not come back and be separated. What are the rules dammit!? Apart from that, loved the Toymaker and the conflict, David and everyone did great as always. Is lovely to see his doctor get a nice ending after everything he went through. Do look forward to Ncuti Gatwa doctor. Happy to see your reactions as always. 💙
Ok I was not expecting that. But I guess they wanted to change how the regenerations work so the 10th/14 Doctor could say. GLad he gets to stay and got his won Tardis.
15 saying he loves Rose...my heart.
I'm led to believe the Master is going to be revived the same way he was in the End of Time.
With all the links, i think classic who should become a priority on your watch list
The original Toymaker story from back in the day has an appeal that has missed me completely. When I was growing up with the show “Celestial Toymaker” was always held up as the best of the best but you couldn’t watch it because three of the four episodes do not exist. Then a novelization was published and at least one could experience the story that way, but it never really grabbed me at all. Then the one surviving episode was released on a VHS compilation of First Doctor odds and ends and finally I could see something of this fabled classic adventure but it left me seriously underwhelmed. It felt like the show had overspent on the previous couple stories and had to do a cheap one without a lot of moving parts to compensate - AND apparently Hartnell got sick so he had to be written out of most of it, which didn’t help. Michael Gough was great in the part, but the whole thing seemed a bit underdeveloped.
I think it was before the novelization came out that plans were announced to bring back the Toymaker in a Sixth Doctor story called “The Nightmare Fair” but that was part of a season that the BBC canceled for all sorts of reasons that are still debated to this day. The assumption was that Gough would come back and play the Toymaker again but I don’t know if it got that far before it went away. Seems to me the Toymaker appeared in the comics a bunch of times over the years as well so obviously I’m missing something about that original story that resonated with everyone else. Fair enough.
With that background I can’t say I was actively looking forward to “The Giggle” but I assumed/hoped that RTD and NPH would spin gold from what lore existed and they did. 😊
Did you notice that the costume split with the bi-generation? Ncuti got the shirt, shoes, socks and underwear, David got the trousers, waistcoat and undershirt. Which means that canonically speaking, David was going commando! 😉
David was probably at the table read going "He's got better legs, I'm keeping the trousers."
I thought it was double heart warming when 15 comforted 14, because he is maybe the only other person who knows what turmoil the flux had on him.
You add a lot of great commentary. Liked listening
Moffat is totally messing with us and I'm along for the ride.
“I loved her!” 😭
Ah my favorite Doctor Who reactor. See you around Christmas? I can't imagine what you would be reacting to then. lol
My theory on the Toymaker's legions: In Wild Blue Yonder, the Not Doctor said he and Not Donna wanted to go to the universe to play "vicious games". Could the Not Things be his legions?
BI-regeneration?? I ALWAYS KNEW I WAS LIKE DAVID TENNANT
I've gone back and looked and if anyone is wondering who picked up the tooth I am pretty confident it was Kate. At the scene when Kate hugs the doctor you clearly see the red manicured fingers.
I like how future editing Shayla used to just make words appear in the top right corner of past Shayla's videos, but now shes started time travelling and interrupting past Shayla in person. What's the next stage of evolution?