Close Call: Jeep 4xe Hybrid Explosion Nearly Hits Fire Captain in Erie, Colorado!
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2023
- In this jaw-dropping video, witness the unbelievable moment when a jeep 4xe hybrid caused a catastrophic explosion inside a garage in Erie, Colorado! As the hybrid vehicle malfunctioned, the intense blast sent the garage door flying off its tracks, hurtling 30 feet down the driveway. Shockingly, a vigilant fire captain narrowly escaped a life-threatening situation, as the garage door nearly struck him in the head.
The incident draws attention to the ongoing research being conducted by UL Firefighter Safety Research Institute (FSRI) on similar hazardous situations involving hybrid or electric vehicles that use lithium-ion batteries. Discover the crucial insights and safety implications emerging from this research as experts work tirelessly to prevent such accidents in the future.
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The complexity and danger of fire that can’t be extinguished must be a firefighters worst nightmare.
25 years ago when I did my first aid advanced a firefighter taught the course. the problem with ALL these new so called environment friendly chemicals is once fired, they COMBINE into new chemicals.....that kill. and new gasses,....that kill. He basically didn't recommend firefighting as a career. it was already too dangerous: ONE whiff, and you lungs are done for life. Is it worth it??
@@user-zp7jp1vk2i I fought fires and did EMS for years, starting in the 70s. With the proper safety gear, it was worth helping people and saving lives. I also taught classes on firefighting during my time in the department. The methods of extinguishing most fires have been the same for hundreds of years. The problem is what people fill the house up with. In 1950 the house was filled with wooden furniture. By 1980 everything inside was plastic or synthetic like drapes, carpet, counter tops, vinyl floors, and appliances that are 50% plastic. Even a car fire has gone from being mostly gas / oil, to 50% plastic.... and now batteries present a new challenge. The safety gear is cumbersome and expensive, but on-duty injuries are WAY below what they were 100 years ago.... if you use the stuff properly.
@@JackFromWyoming I enjoyed most aspects, but certainly don't miss getting out of bed at night. Of course, I am older and wiser these days.
Yes it is!!
If he was three inches taller this would be a different story. That was scary close
The movement of that garage door was wild - such a bulky object being spun and launched.
When he looked down is another factor that saved him
An Euro helmet would had help here for sure
Everyone wants to be taller not this time huh
I’m a fire investigator in the northeast US. We are seeing many lithium ion battery fires, but the batteries are associated with more commonplace items like tools and toys. A couple of suggestions if you have these battery operated items; don’t leave batteries in their charger. Even in a smart charger as the batteries naturally drain and the charger will keep recharging them degrading the batteries and increasing their chances of failure. Secondly, do not buy aftermarket batteries even if they say they are exact replacements. Most of these are cheaply made and stand a better chance of failure. Buy only OEM batteries and tools by name manufacturers.
Maybe the electric/fire code should require a battery charging station in homes and a hydrogen gas monitor that would trip the breakers to the garage and auto open the garage door. Or prohibit the storage of evs in a garage.
@@h2s142 (This is coming from a person who is developing a modular power plant)
Hydrogen concentrations that are enough to detect are also enough to flash. I like your concept with tripping the breaker, but the breaker opening does tend to create a spark, especially on a 40-60 amp feed.
You've got a notion there! Now I'll be spending a couple hours seeing if it's plausible to implement for me...
@@nunyabidness674look into relay switches. They stay closed while energized, and open when power is off. There's a IOT relay power strip that's popular for 3d printers for fire protection.
Thank you for the tips. This was very helpful!
Seawizz, do you see this happens much with cellphones (overcharging and catching on fire)? I know that size of that battery is smaller than a powertool or a car... I recalled that Dell laptop had instances where the laptops would catch on fire?
Also, I read that recharging a battery inside a car is not the same as recharging at home, due to how the waves of energy. I don't understand it but does that also pose a different risk? thanks.....
I was a service tech for a natural gas company. One odd call I had was someone charging a 12 volt car battery in their garage and they had forgotten about it. It charged several days and it was producing hydrogen gas. They thought it was a nat. gas leak but it was actually a garage full of hydrogen gas. It did not ignite, thank God, but it had the potential of creating a an explosion that could have leveled the entire house. The message: Don't underestimate the potential of a battery, (All Types)
You can’t add enough H2 to a garage from the electrolyte water in a car battery to remotely approach LEL.
Rory-Not Gail: Wow - ironic. Our neighbors called the FD last night for a natural gas smell (rotten egg) in their detached garage. FD discovered it was a battery charger hooked up to a lawn mower battery...that had been long forgotten. The battery had drained, and ?? cells were melting or the inside of the battery was overheated/burning. There was no open flame...yet.
It is surprising how many calls we got for gas leaks that turned out to be something different.@@gailsteidl3707
Maybe there should be a reg to have an EV sign on garage doors. Similar to a Solar generation sign we have to have on home power fuse boxes.
Obvious markings on the car itself so that they know not to douse it with water and make everything worse.
Good idea. I was thinking EV license plates should have an identifier like disabled plates do. Both would be great.
A great idea. However it would raise eye brows and pose a threat to the EV movement.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT dousing with water does NOT make it worse... it just doesn't do what you expect as quick as you expect.
I was thinking the same thing, when I ran across your comment. I will add a few things: 1) Sign "beside" door, in case door is burning or obscured by smoke. 2) Fire Dept. having
record of addresses with EVs, just like industrial chemicals.
3) Better ventilation of garages, to avoid build up of dangerous gasses. #3 is possible bad idea. I'm no expert. 😁✌🖖
“No one was injured in this incident, aside from a couple pairs of pants” 😂
Nashville has a parking garage that says absolutely no EVs allowed in building they be towed away?
Yup. The truth always lies in their actions not their words. The Nashville parking garage prohibition against EVs speaks loudly just like the many Democrat politicians who buy beachfront homes in Florida, New England and California.
Excellent question, Stevie😂
Because there heavy and don't want the parking garage past max load capacity just look it up, not that hard.
One of them hybrids is what caught a parking garage in England on fire recently. A Land Rover, I believe.
And I think EV’s have sunk a few container ships also.
It was an 2014 diesel.
@@fratzogmoparsprobably not.
EV Land Rover?? They cant even get 12 volt electrical systems to work properly, forget 800v 😨😨
@@Heluthegr8 diesel hybrid, traction battery under front left seat. Check footage
Daaamn that was a close one if ive ever seen it!! At first i thought it was him ducking that made the helmet fall. But seeing it in slomotion u see it was the fucking door clipping it, and making it fall to the ground. Absolutely wild scene!!
He is sooooo lucky he ducked his head as the garage door took his hat off...that could have been his head or easily a broken C5/C6.
The pressure from the garage door flying at him ducked his head.
Easy enough to get a spinal injury from something ripping your helmet off. That's not a hat.
@@erg0centric My bad...helmet....I'm happy he's ok..
EVs are like the coof jab. The more you learn about it, the less you want anything to do with it.
The Covid~19 jab stopped people round me ending up in hospital. Three died.
I believe in jabs. My father was one of 13. Only seven made it to 21. The others died of things that vaccines prevent.
I'm down with you on that neighbor
Really? You must live in Faux News land where propaganda is king. Why not prove bridges as a hoax by showing one bridge failure? It’s quite laughable how throlls like you enjoy grabbing one incident and condemning the technology that is working safely even more than gasoline powered vehicles. It’s enjoyable to detect the brain overworking trying to make something out of nothing. Let’s see, weeks ago in Ohio a semi rear ended a coach bus taking high school student to a meeting in Columbus. Three vehicles destroyed by fire and several killed. Please, tell us about the dangers of diesel powered vehicles catching on fire. Cannot wait on your views.
Subbing out your battery manufacturing to China doesn't help any..
Not really. Been living with an EV in my garage for about 3 years now with no problems. EV catch on fire 10 times less than gas vehicles.
First, let me thank you for being a Hero and keeping us safe. Second, thank you for informing us about these incidents, i am in the process of getting a car. Now that i know this is happening, i am no longer interested in getting one of these.
Well, you'll be SOL if you're in Kookafornia or the Evil Empire State of New York.
@@SenileOtaku Fortunately, I'm in Missouri
Nothing like an ad hominen attack to show your true colors. @@AdirondackHomestead
@@SenileOtaku there is not a single state in the union of the United States that requires people to buy electric vehicles. President Biden has repeatedly refused to set a date for when the majority of consumer cars are emissions free or have significantly lower emissions than they do now. I will say that again. President Biden has refused to set a date.
California is proposing a pathway starting in 2026. However the EPA is reviewing that because it may not be possible even in the best of world where EV vehicles are perfectly safe and are safer than any other vehicle ever.
The only entity in the United States that will be required to have a certain percentage of its fleet to be low emissions is the federal government. They will be required to purchase mission vehicles of a certain percentage of their fleet in the next decade or so.
Now, as for EV vehicles. They are not a panacea. Not as long as they are lithium ion in chemistry. Sodium ion will probably replace lithium ion for a variety of reasons. One the ubiquitousness of sodium. They will cost 20% less than lithium ion. They have better temperature operation levels, then lithium ion. They are less likely to degrade in high or low temperatures. They will not have thermal runaway fires.
A Chinese car manufacturer who is working with Volkswagen has just recently announced sodium ion EV for sale to the consumer. Just happened a few days ago if that.
EV‘s are not a panacea. There are other issues besides the lithium ion batteries. One is weight. EV’s on average way at minimum 1.5 times of ice equivalent. This means more kinetic energy in accident. The cost to repair simple damage to an EV is typically 2 to 3 times more than that of ICE or even hybrids. Insurance premiums are rising for EV‘s. And the next part that’s going to hurt the consumer yearly registration. Because EV’s don’t pay taxes through the charging process then they will need to be charged tax at registration to cover the roads that taxes pay for. Such as maintenance making of etc. so it’s likely that the registration of an EV will cost 2 to 10 times as much as an ICE at registration time. Because EV’s are heavier they go through tires quicker. At minimum you will need to replace your tires every 35,000 miles, unless you are extremely gentle with your car.
But for EV to be widely adopted by the driving public, and by municipalities in which the driving public will be driving the issues of thermal runaway fires that are a potential hazard of lithium ion batteries must be addressed. The other thing that has to be addressed is the extras Strain on the electrical infrastructure.
Now for some facts. The top polluting sources are
1) Electrical generation.
2) agriculture.
3) commercial transportation, such as container, ships, oil, tankers, railway tractor trailers, etc.
4) consumer vehicles.
So obviously the energy generation for all those recharging stations is going to make number one even more difficult to mitigate.
2:00 just for a bit of reference, if you have ever seen a dry bulk tanker (usually stainless steel tanker looking trailer with hoppers coming out the bottom connecting to an air pipe that runs underneath) Those use positive air pressure to push whatever bulk cargo out. They run somewhere between 11 and 15 PSI but that's in the whole trailer. 15 PSI isn't that much pressure/doesn't seem that dangerous but when you have that massive volume of air trying to get out... well we had training that drilled into our heads never climb on top of the trailer when its pressurized and NEVER try to open the hatches while pressurized. Driver's wife tried to "check how empty the trailer was" while he was unloading because it was taking a while. They found her body 5 trailers over after the hatch launched her like a catapult. Low pressure does NOT mean low danger. The unit of measurement kinda hints at that. Pounds per Square Inch. The more square inches for the same pressure, the more force.
That's an excellent way to explain it. Thank you!
I drove dry bulk for over 20yrs. When the company had me train people, I'd try to drill it thru their heads that those hatches were 155mm artillery rounds just itching to blow you off if you were ever dumb enough to go up there and stand on a lid trying to fix a leak. Never go up the ladder until both gouges read zero. Well there is always someone who wouldn't pay attention or thought I was exaggerating and sure enough one found the hard way.
Our area outside DC has had a large number of devastating home fires the past few yeas. It seems to me that the two primary recurring causes appear to be "garage-electrical" and "home electrical, renovation related." The next two I see after these two primary causes are "fire initiated on deck by smoking materials" and "interior electrical, battery operated device related." I wish they would give more detail than that given the number of homes and lives disrupted or lost. We had a home reno done recently and the county electrical inspector measured the distances of outlets from doors and stairs and that's about it. He did mention, "I hope you don't wind up as one of those 4 AM Loudoun county electrical fires." Something's amiss in the electrical world. It is the 2020's not 1970s. Why can't our fire marshal issue something better than the usual guidance about ensuring you properly charge your battery operated items and ensure your renovations are completed to code. Privacy? Fear of angering the EV movement?
Yes & yes to the last two questions.
Another video I saw revealed that the Jeep 4xe passenger area floor is not a separate sheet of steel but is actually the top of the battery casing. When the battery vents, it vents hydrogen into the inside of the car.
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I would question if the cars made today have any steel in them???
@@GM8101PHX chi-nuh been buying US scrap metal a while now….if they’re ‘supplying’ , I’m sure it’s not the same.
A driver was killed in an electric car fire in Evergreen Colorado, but we never hear about it. The press is failing us.
You know, I'm pretty sure that happened last week two blocks away from me. A wrangler 4xe was in the garage and exploded, taking the garage, all three cars and the house with it.
Any link to a source?
Many houses in my hood have 3 -4 vehicles as their children cannot afford the high rents or house prices . I can't imagine having 3-4 EV's plugged into the electrical system overnight . We better increase our fire departments ! I'll keep driving my 97 Van for another 27 years ! 🙂
Wow they are really great for our environment!!
Let’s see, over 73,000 units sold, one for reasons unknown,catches on fire and this a “disaster?” Love your logic.
@@Rhaman68 Not just one. Its almost as bad as the old ford pinto scandal. Many ,many ,many EV are bursting into flames in peoples houses and while driving. The problem is, they are impossible to put out. There's literally a video of a tesla fully submerged in a lake under 6 foot of water burning like if it were to be out in open air. These things are a serious danger and many will loose their lives just to "save the environment" by charging their EV using the power of coal..... Not against electric vehicles. i just believe they are being released before the battery tech and infrastructure is ready. Plus Electric vehicles usually don't allow for right to repair. Put aftermarket wheels on your tesla and bring it to the service center. Even if the issue has absolutely nothing to do with your wheels, they will go no where near your car. My buddy has this issue because he decided it was cool to put a suspension kit to lower his tesla for some reason, and aftermarket wheels. His battery failed at only 50k miles, and the tesla service center wouldn't work on the car because "its been modified". They told him to bring the car back to stock and they would reconsider. but the problem is he doesn't have his old suspension components anymore, and he cant buy them anywhere. Tesla wont sell you the parts. He gave up on the car, and sold it for basically nothing. I recommended he buy a Civic Type-R if he wants the freedom to modify his car and have the ability to repair it if anything ever fails. He put a down payment and got one. Plus it wont burn down your house whilst you sleep.
@@Rhaman68
It’s not just one, this is happening all over the country. Pull your green blinders off and do a little research. These things are bad, and the fire usually reignites several times after it’s been put out.
@@Rhaman68
*_ONE???_*
4125 electric cars catch fire each year, and that number is GROWING along with sales. UNLIKE gasoline or diesel fires, Lithium Iron Battery fires CAN'T be put out by conventional means!!
THAT *_RAINMAN_* is the disaster (along with all the HIGHLY TOXIC CHEMICALS released while they burn)!!
This has really nothing to do with the environment. Or do you think burning lead-acid batteries would be better ? Or are you confusing manufacturing and disposal ?
Most of the buildings downtown in my city Forbids any EV from parking indoors.❤❤
So glad that I did my VFC service in the 80s when falling off the tailboard was the greatest danger. Loved riding the tailboard except for when it was raining. The hose bed tarp drained off right at turnout coat collar level.
I have quite a bit of experience with li-ion batteries (high discharge packs for FPV quadcopters). The problem with them is their likelihood of catastrophically failing as they degrade. Even some of my insanely expensive, handcrafted and carefully soldered and QC’d batteries eventually wind up “smoking.”
It’s highly likely that, out of the hundreds of cells in an EV, at least one will degrade catastrophically at some point. And all it takes is one bad cell. It is a literal chain reaction, like throwing a single lit match into a room full of fumes.
Once you experience your first exploding li-ion, you will never want an EV in or near your house, ever. I store my batteries in a box designed to handle these fires.
All you have to do is look at the number of cargo planes brought down by battery shipments worldwide to know how dangerous they are. Battery shipments by cargo ships require specialized containers.
Fallout got one thing right: cars in the future explode if they catch fire
Imagine a Jeep enthusiast forging deep water with this scenario. I'm in the market for a Jeep Wrangler but not a hybrid anymore. Rented a couple times the 4Xe and they are fun but not worth the cost or my families safety.
I’ve been driving a car for 57 years and never once did I ever consider it might blowup.. Simply put,these things are a hazard to human life,property and the environment..
It just takes the right circumstances to create an explosion with vehicles, sometimes all the necessary things for an explosion to happen just come together at the worst times…
Must be a boomer, the biggest threat to humans, life and the environment.
Been driving a 1964 Chevy C10 for 40 years with the gas tank behind the seat. Seems relatively safe these days.
Except ice cars are 50 times more likely to catch fire
@@ogzombieblunt4626 You've been told a million times not to exaggerate.
There are footage from China where EVs are exploding with the roof blown off together with the seats .Can be found on RUclips !
Ev's and hybrids are safe as seen by the Japanese cars like Toyota, Nissan (Nissan Leaf over 12 years old no without major fires) and Honda who have built hybrids for 25+ years with almost zero major explosions BUT the cheap corner cutting from china are making the batteries a deadly mobile IED!
tl;dr avoid made in china batteries like the jeep in this video who use chinese lithium for hybrid battery
0:58 - YIIIKKKEES...!!! talk about a promo/reminder for always wearing your PPE. 😲
Good video, close to a skull fracture. NYC has had so many severe fires from those batteries they are banning those vehicles from inside storage.
Holy chit! That was way too close for comfort. 😮
This is just eerie….
If any home appliance posed such a hazard, NFPA would almost immediately take action, but due to political pressure, EV batteries are, for some reason, getting a pass....
EV fires are still fewer than conventional car fires, by percentage. We just hear about it more often due to media hype.
@@rupe53This exactly. We’ve seen significantly more Lithium fires from power tool batteries, and phones/ computers. Yet EV’s are getting almost all the attention. I never hear hate on power tool companies, but every day someone is complaining about electric cars..
@@thagoose480 if I had to guess, there's probably more fires from cell phones and lap-tops than power tools, but mostly because power tools never make it onto planes and such like other personal items. Also consider that these smaller items went through an evolution of Nicad, NMH and other battery tech, where cars pretty much started with lithium.
Because EV fires will litterally burn under water they can't be extinguished they are the scariest kind of fire even a small RC car 2 cell lithium battery will emitt like 5 foot flames for about 10min straight
There’s plenty of videos of propane exploding in fires. As well as tires, gunpowder etc. legislation isn’t going to block everything that could possibly be hazardous. You can try to set up your own safe space that doesn’t have them though.
Facts, not hype. A recent study by US insurer, AutoinsuranceEZ found that hybrid cars had the worst fire record, while EVs were the least likely type of car to catch fire. Hybrid cars had 3474.5 fires per 100,000 sale; petrol cars had 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales and EVs had just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales.Jun 20, 2023
"Recent Study". The data you are taking about has been around since 2018. I discuss it in this video: ruclips.net/video/d_SpHvBfzrw/видео.html
I never knew Jeep even had a hybrid
It’s not only the fire and explosions from these batteries but the deadly damaging gases to humans they produce.
I am an old chief who, fortunately, never had to deal with situations like this. It is sad to think our firefighters are in the constant increase of dangerous situations.
@@16-BITFPV Look at cell phones exploding too.
I honestly can't believe all these electric car company's haven't been sued right out of bussiness. This is nothing short of criminal.
And the unhinged leftist, liberal politicians along with the environmentalists who pushed hard in banning the ICE vehicles and in mandating the BEV.
because its less common than gas car fires? the problem here is that the training for first responders isnt where it needs to be.
People are too apologetic for the many shortcomings and dangers of electric cars.
Except Teslas, they can all exist as I know Elon’s thought about the batteries and taking care of them, unlike other companies like GM who’ve essentially lost their humanity and capability for logical thought because all they see is $ signs.
Hmmm too many of them are Joe's Buddies 😅
Wonder what the fire rating is on that door ... I mean for distance😊 .... weird that the side window of the garage never even budged
Shaped charge dynamic?
That captain has a quick response time.
Ban these cars in confined spaces.
Tip of the day NEVER park your ev indoors or close to house .......Unless you wana get out off a big mortgage then its a perfect alibi 👍
They need to require a warning be posted on outside of garage about an electric vehicle being inside
How often is something similar seen with gasoline vehicles? Say, gasoline leaking and vaporising in a garage and then encountering an ignition source?
It's highly improbable, likely impossible, for gasoline vapor to cause an incident like this.
Not sure about cars, but you can look up boats exploding from fuel vapor build up. Happens more often than you think. Once saw someone shot about 3 feet in the air on a jet ski.
@gateway199999 volume is key. A jet ski is small, likely 1 cubic foot. A 2 cae garage is 4000 cubic feet.
@@StacheDTraining Had a neighbor who's Corolla caught on fire for no reason in closed garage, in the engine compartment. We could not put it out, but the FD did. It was in the middle of the night and she normally would have been asleep except for getting up for a red eye flight. If we would have not caught it, would have certainly gotten to the fuel tank.
@@constantbuzz It would have gotten to the tank, but that wouldn't have caused the garage to explode like this. Glad they put it out though. Had our car go up in our garage when I was a teenager.
Being lucky is a huge bonus. I am glad I retired before the advent of electric cars. I can't imagine owning something so inefficient and dangerous.
Any dwelling or structure containing an electric vehicle should be clearly posted on the outside of the door
People with hybrids and electric vehicles should pay for the environmental damage caused by these fires
I have purposely filled my own garage with junk in order to remove the temptation to park or charge my plug-in hybrid there.
Sad the compromises you have to make with those cars
“Electric Utopia“ , truly Gullible.
Insurance companies are now requiring body shops to have a wrecked electric vehicle to be away from other vehicles and protected. We are supplying body shops with 2’x2’x6’ stackable concrete blocks so they can build a bay specifically for the electric vehicle to be stored in.
Looks strange, the car isn’t on fire in the garage and looks not blown out. After explosion there is no more smoke.
A Jeep 4XE is not fully electric. It has an internal combustion engine and a electric battery, it’s a plug-in hybrid.
And the failure was in the large lithium-ion battery.
This is totally insane, I put the blame on our government for forcing to quickly restrictions to vehicle manufacturers, jeep is a great company but now look what’s happening this is really bad.
Home insurance companies have riders for evs in garages. Costs significantly more.
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Insurance😢❗⚰️🦨
Signage should be required on all garage doors that contain an EV
On the vehicle itself so that they know not to douse it with water.
@@AndyDrake-FOOKYT what if the garage door is closed 🤔
We should never submit to fools.
Should require homeowners to have a label on their garage doors, stating BEV, PHAV, HEV inside. Kind of like those window stickers that tell firefighters, which room is likely to have people inside of them.
I drove past a car fire fully engulfed. The heat from ten feet away, was intense in my helmet and through my leather....I'll never get that close again!
Vehicle fires put off serious heat.
Question, has anyone interviewed any of these firefighters that responded to this incident. My question is, what type of odor were they experiencing at the scene. Most firefighters with any experience at all can detect different odors at a scene. Food on the stove-distinct odor, electrical - distinct odor, mattress fire - distinct odor, all sorts of things burning will give off distinct odors that a seasoned firefighter can key in on. So does anyone know what type of odors they experienced prior to the explosion that would give the crew an idea that the smoke inside the house was actually associated with a LI battery. Hope this question makes sense.
Due to the conditions, they were on air. So they would not have known the smell. It would have had a mix of burnt electrical and sweet "bubble gum" odor.
Lithium Ion are dangerous. Are lithium iron phosphate better?
Does the iron phosphate keep lithium busy so that it doesn't react so violently with water?
Was it a hybrid or an EV?
Local volunteer fire department untrained on how to Recognize and fight an electrical fire. Untrained.
Oh wow I actually know the street that happened on. My company inspects new homes in that neighborhood. Just looked it up we inspected that exact home. To be clear my company does energy efficiency inspections so it has nothing to do with the explosion.
Well if it’s hard to determine if it’s an electric/hybrid I’m sure the state of charge isn’t going to be as readily available either. Yeah Joe you mind getting in the vehicle and seeing if it’s electric and what the screen says about the state of charge. 😅
Need a pressure relief valve for the garage
Like a garage door?
@@StacheDTraining well something that vents B4 the garage door flies into the captains face
@lanceharvala1286 you would need something the size of a garage door. Many commercial test chambers that, need this type of feature, have very large blow out panels.
@@AB8Y_radioI'm not sure any vent could react as fast as the pressure buildup of an explosion.
...besides the garage door flying off...
...if you call that a 'vent' and not massive shrapnel
...although I suppose it DID prevent the entire garage from exploding.
I have an auto body shop. On the paint booth, the whole roof is designed to release if there was an explosion. So for your idea to work, the whole roof of the garage would have to release. All this engineering, yet I have never heard of a paint booth exploding.
Why wasn’t he wearing full PPE?
Because he's not in an IDLH.
Well, thank God they are saving the environment!
Terrifying, the firefighter was only inches away from being decapitated 😱😱
There is also a video of an electric Jeep exploding as fire fighters are trying to put it out, and the roof shoots up thirty odd feet into the air, luckily not hitting anyone on re=entry and touchdown.
This video? ruclips.net/video/aLtkTp4GVuE/видео.html
1 minute 15 seconds in, the garage door hits the fireman's head twice.
It’s the gases emitted from the lithium batteries and when trapped inside it will blow up. So don’t buy battery car yet or keep your windows down when charging
or they'll have to do some kind of auto-vent such as on boats with gas engines. except automatic; boat vents are a button you engage BEFORE you hit the ignition.
This isn't the first time an electric vehicle has exploded and caused a fire... There are tons of stories like this..
There is a big difference between a fire and an explosion.
I don't recall hearing about problems with battery fires in the Toyota Prius and many other Hybrid models out there...
Is this something new with the higher energy density of more modern batteries?? Or were the hybrid problems 'hidden'??
Also, when the older Hybrid batteries cook off, are they much less spectacular?
I think those weren't lithium ion batteries which are the problem here. I thought Toyota went to lithium in later models but Toyota does proper engineering and doesn't cut corners everywhere they can, like most auto manufacturers. And they rate everything conservatively, bragging rights be damned.
My best guess is that lithium batteries are going to have to be banned all together. Companies like Toyota or Honda may be able to keep fires and explosions down to a lower rate, 100 or 1000 times less likely, but the potential damage is still too great. One of these could take down a highrise building if it caught fire while parked in the underground parking. The rebar in reinforced concrete is like all structural steel. It looses all it's strength at 600 degrees Celcius. The rebar is the only thing holding the cement together under tension loading (which is almost everywhere).
Look at the Luton Airport fire. 1500 cars and the parking structure destroyed. £3 billion in damage. Or the car transport ships destroyed. They've done experiments and even submerging these batteries in liquid nitrogen does nothing to stop the fire.
The Jeep 4xe also uses nickel-cobalt-manganese batteries which give off the most poisonous fumes. And the battery pack is installed inside the passenger compartment so if you can't exit immediately, such as in an accident, you'll die from the poison fumes before the interior of the vehicle explodes. Is that an advantage? We need regulators to stop serving corporations.
Stellantis has no hybrid experience, this is what happens.
@@BigEightiesNewWave And you can thank the government and green police for forcing them into this shit.
Crap Jeep quality, say it ain't true!
@@BigEightiesNewWave You don't have to have experience to do a little research and then not due the stupidest thing possible. That the regulators allowed to is even worse.
Thank goodness for green technology…
25,000 lbs? that is completely wrong even to mention it.
Hello, and thank you for what you do.
I am a former Paramedic / Combat Medic [ graphic designer ] and my wife is a practicing BSN, MSN, CNS in high risk OBGYN. We just bought a house. All of that is only to show that we are very concerned with public safety [ as well as our own ].
Question. How would you design a powerhouse while living in a climate as hot as San Antonio Texas? [ August 120 F in the shade. ]
We do not want to store lithium batteries [ including duracell, everready, car batteries, solar bats, power wall, etc ] in our new home. I have designed an 8 ft cubical shed with a 5x8 screened porch for loading space [ bat into tool ] that will house all of this tech. Being such a small bldg, we plan to use a mini split hvac system to control the internal climate. Will that be enough?
Is any corp making a detector appropriate for outgassing by this tech?
Is heat [ 120 F weeks ] a primary concern or is airflow and circulation more important?
Do you have any design suggestions?
Also, my design relies on wooden construction as one of these fires may burn the structure down before an explosion. If fire brick were used to "contain" a fire, the masonry would probably become shrapnel.
Anyway, what are your thoughts?
Thank you
James Anthony Wright
Wright Edutainment
Dealing with that type of heat is tough. Lithium-ion batteries like to be at about 60ºF. As you get above 100ºF the performance of the batteries will start to degrade. I don't know of any commercially available sensors specifically for lithium-ion batteries other than a traditional smoke alarm. I would prefer a hydrogen alarm for early sensing. Ideally, a building that stores batteries would have a ventilation system tied to the smoke detector. That way the building could be vented and the explosive gasses won't buildup inside.
Thank you for your reply.
Does this tech off gas CO as part of its mix?
Sounds like optimal storage might be a modern refrigerator set to 60 F with a dry interior environment, However, charging would need to occur outside the fridge. Also, the tech could be damaged by a hasty transition of 60 degrees F.
An Arduino could be used to control 2 vent/fan systems one high one low in/out - but without a sensor to trigger it....
Hmmmm.@@StacheDTraining
So, which takes precedence? The heat that could cause failure - or - the outgassing due to failure? I lean toward the heat issue.@@StacheDTraining
personally, I would direct these questions to an expert in that field instead of the YT comments section.
Haha, right in the beginning "how did an electric vehicle explode..." well, I can take a wild guess.
A scary new truth to deal with. Toxic exploding batteries.
Why did he lose his helmet?
Electric vehicles catching fire. Wow.
What's the point of those ridiculous leather helmets if they don't even stay on your head?
Two points.
1. All battery powered EV need early warning devices, so that a battery short is detected and the battery is automatically isolated.
2. All battery packs must have fire suppression micro tubing within the battery construction so that fire suppression can take place.
Cost of both $200 max.
The new standards are looking at requiring a 5 minute warning prior to any smoke or flame visibility. Unfortunately, internal fire suppression is a tough thing to design due to the nature of the materials. Stopping a cell from igniting its neighbors is a far better strategy.
How are they going to do that? At the moment of thermal runaway it's too late. Are you willing to pay a million dollars for a car that has sophisticated enough monitoring technology to prevent these fires/explosions/poisonings? Why don't you get a donkey and a blanket instead? Better yet, why don't you drive an ICE car if you want to save the environment. They're easier on the environment and use less energy. Besides other considerations, look at all the energy you're wasting hauling around a 2000 lb battery. You people need to take some STEM courses. Critical Legal Theory can't change Thermodynamics. You cant push heat uphill. Figure out what that means and you'll start having a clue. The world has always been full of idiotic opinions by people who ought to know better so collecting them like it proves anything is a fools game. Elon Musk is a scammer extraordinaire. He's being sued for $350 billion for his Dogecoin crypto scam among other things.
Microtubing not help, fire dept. have developed a thing they slide under car the bores a hole into the battery where they can inject water directly into the battery.
Those hybrid/plug in batteries scare the hell out of me!! They have to come up with something safer. I’ll stick with internal combustion engines for now. One of my neighbors lost most of his house and garage and his other vehicle because he was charging his plug in electric vehicle and the battery started on fire. I won’t say what brand because they ALL have caught on fire!!
Watch out for power tool and cellphone/ laptop batteries too! They are all lithium.
I need to show this house to my wife...Theres two garages !!!!
I think there should be some kind of documentation or signage that tells you that this house has a charging system for an electric vehicle or something this way you have a warning you don’t have to ask them if they’re not there and even if they are there you don’t have to cut through the bullshit I’m trying to find out so some kind of signage on the house or something letting firefighters know possible battery operated vehicle in the garage
That garage door knocking off the helmet
Big yikes
Damn .
Helmet saved Capt’s 🧢 .
I'm thinking about all the lithium-ion batteries on sailboats.
You think they would charge outside using a extension cord
And now the house needs to be toren down. If it exploed that hard, structure is now compermised, yes technology has gotten better, but us kids that had rc vehicals have known about the dangers for years.
Jeep sent letters to owners to warn them about battery fires. told owners not to charge them in a garage
Misleading.....this was a Stellantis Jeep hybrid. Not a BEV.
Did you not read the title of the video? The xEV strategy is irrelevant. The hazard for firefighters is the lithium-ion battery.
One more reason to stick with my ICE Jeep. Unfortunately I’m stuck with lipo and life batteries for my radio controlled planes because of noise ordinance issues. But they are constantly monitored.
I've heard of this exact thing happening - it's due to the vehicle being essentially a sealed container, pressure builds inside until something gives.
“How did an electric vehicle cause an explosion…”
I’m almost certain you were being rhetorical, but I feel I should clarify for the audience. Ehem… EV’s, like all lithium powered devices, can catch fire and explode when wet, or even when they’re just exposed to the elements. Any amount of moisture buildup can cause a lithium explosion. Which is why Jeep made a mistake in using the Wrangler, an off-roader, a hybrid with a Lithium Battery Cell. One good punt from a rock, followed by some wet mud, and you’ve got a recipe for a forest fire.
And frankly, I think the US Forest Service should ban vehicles from trails if that vehicle has a battery that’s primary job is not to power the internal combustion engine. In other words, EV’s and Hybrids.
Stupid question. Why would you want to introduce water to an electrical fire? Wouldn't foam be better? I say this because I saw a video of an EV rolling backward into a lake and combusting almost immediately.
It's not the electrical fire...it's the lithium.
Lithium turns water into h2 and o2.
Water is fine for electrical fires...Just not lithium batteries.
If electric vehicles were the answer, this is what we would have been using all these years.
At one point in time, early 1900’s there was electric cars. They faded out along with steam powered cars. Petrol powered cars took over and we haven’t looked back
@@barrymacokiner9423well the sane people haven't looked back, as for the tesla fan boys, well...
I always charge my batteries before I blow them up. It's energy displaced.
I fear that this video may be vanishing soon.
Im very happy i got my old Toyota Diesel... The only thing that has a explosion is the engine for the combustion.
Much safer and if maintained well it wont catch fire.
"Nearly taking the head off" that captain: NO JOKE! HS, that was close!
if i knew a fire involved a EV, or even a hybrid battery, the only thing i would be concerned about as a firefighter or just someone who ain't completely ignorant about those batteries, would be limiting spread.