The Secret Layoff Tactic Managers Are Using Today
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They don’t mind telling people they’re laid off - they mind paying severance for layoffs.
Who pays severance?
Amen!! Pass the collection plate.
I've been remote for over 5 years, pre-pandemic. Company wants everyone to come in now regardless of pre-pandemic status.
So now, I drive 3.5 hours one-way to the office. When I get to the office I get on zoom meetings to talk to my coworkers in other states, that aren't even in my office.
Magically, because I'm calling from a noisy office desk instead of my quiet home office I built, the zoom meeting is somehow "different".
If return-to-office is designed to make you quit then it's working!
I feel your pain. I was remote for 7 years and now doing a 2 hour + drive each way to work to sit on calls. Corporate life has gone down to the tubes. Any company that pulls this BS should be considered a huge red flag.
That’s really nice they let you work from home during the pandemic for safety reasons. You should thank them for protecting you are your family.
@@MrNiceGuy500 Correction *before the pandemic
The idiocy is remarkable. I was formally employed in an office. There was never a reason to be there. I got more work done at home. Plus, the office had remote workers that went by another set of rules; also lived in other states. When I was the office, my boss would only do meetings via Zoom, either in the office right next to mine or from the gym or home. It’s about control and nothing more.
Get a new job, there are plenty of companies out there who would not even want you to waste that time.
I like how companies and managers are putting so much effort into milking their employees rather than increasing the business and taking care of their workers
Workers are replaceable and greed is the ultimate factor
Truth. I learned that they act like you are the ONLY person who can do something. But when you try to get a better position, they hold you back, because it’s easier on them to keep using you, than to replace you. They will NEVER pay you for all the stuff you do.
Sinister is hardly a high level word.
He's so full of himself he can't realize that 😅
It's hard to micromanage when noone is around.
That’s when childless managers get depressed and lonely.
My wife gets more done at home than at the office. Fewer distractions.
We all do
Hahaha! You people work while vacationing in Hawaii.
Remote was is overrated. And it is elitist.
Yeah, you don't have the nosey office neighbor getting into everyone's business or the drama coworker talking about everyone lol. We def have less distractions
@@miketheyunggod2534yeah... because we are all now being paid enough to vacation in Hawaii 1-2 weeks a month.
Get out of here.
Sweet, short, and to the point: Control. That’s all.
My director said they were really surprised/disappointed more people didn't quit with the RTO a year ago. The HR team has resorted to giving poor performance reviews to make sure people don't get a bonus, even if they "earned" it by meeting the criteria required to make the bonus. Recently I received a "sometimes" for a group of quantitative business goals that I and my team hit >100% on for Q1 and Q2. Asked how do I "sometimes" meet the goals, if I've hit every single goal this year?... shouldn't it be "always"? My boss just ignored my question twice, and said this is what the ratings are. So no bonus, even though anything >100% productivity and cost was supposed to give us a small bonus.
Aw, the old bait and switch routine. They would set a goal where I worked and if we met it, they would just raise the goal. Typical!!!
I worked a place that weekly fired people on Fridays just as the 90 day period showed up before benefits kicked in… Monday the next 89 day employee would show up..when my 89 day came they pulled me in the office.. I laughed at them they couldn’t believe it..
It was perfect
That happened to me in november. But They gave me more of a severance i asked for, and extended my health benefits til december 31. Didnt do much because certain doctors i needed to see were booked up
@@SparklingSweetAestheteSo how are you doing now? I’m not trying to be nosy but I’m more concerned than anything. I hate how the economy is right now and honestly, I don’t think either party has an answer on it. One side is going to spend us into a hole we can never dig out of, and the other one we can’t predict what they will do from one day to the next. I don’t want to vote, but I must. I must because if it goes bad, then I can either feel bad because I voted for it, or not so bad because I didn’t.
I work the same in the office than I do from home. It's called Work ethic. Employers know who has it and who doesn't but it's easier to get everyone on a RTO than to confront a low performer
I currently work remote but have to return to a office location once a month for team meeting. Nothing gets done that day. We sit though meetings that could be a email only because they want to see us. It makes no sense.
From what I heard about RTO is middle managers are trying to save jobs. Because the wfh experience realized middle managers achieve and/or accomplish nothing. They are essentially there so leaders don’t have to talk to subordinates
At the eod, you can remote a lot of people other than management and directors. Return to office is to validate paying for commercial real estate.
I think that is a BIG reason too. The business got into a big lease and they are going to use that lease one way or another. What I would love to see is the business not renewing the lease when it comes up and adjusting their Return To Office policies at that time.
Then again, I have yet to hear a business actually admit the leased building is why they are asking their employees to RTO...
My employer owns their building and still forcing us to come back because its not being utilized to capacity. Maybe leasing could be a major component for some but in my case I feel its strictly a power move
I was hired to work remotely. I can’t go in to an office, my employer doesn’t have a physical office in the state that I live in!
Some have told their employees they have 3-6 months to relocate.
Don’t do it. I’ve heard too many stories of people who uprooted their lives to live where the employer was relocating only to be told their being laid off. Read Texas Children’s Hospital. Many Nurses and workers relocated and are going to be out of work soon.
Well my job description says fully remote. I am authorized on my paperwork for fully remote. If they are going to fire me for refusing to go back in office I can sue for breach of contract.
The 80’s and 90’s MBA management culture is clashing wth current day realities of work
The funniest part about this video is that you KNOW Dave doesn’t let anyone work from home. LOL
I have been doing my current job for more than 10 years. I started as a contractor but now I am an employee. I have done a great job. During covid, my mom was diagnosed with dementia- she lives with me and I am taking care of her. All of a sudden, we were blindsided with an RTO mandate. this has created a bad work culture, people are not happy. Fortunately, I'm old enough and have saved up enough that I can put my mother first- but for many people, this is going to be a challenge, to say the least. My heart goes out to them.
Taking care of your Mom w dementia is a big job in itself!
You’re a kind human being and a good Son .
@@kojoefante Thanks
I love the episode on The Simpson's where Mr. Burns had to cut costs at the nuclear power plant. So he announced "all non essential employees can leave for the day." Then he used binoculars from his office balcony to tell his assistant Smithers the names of the people he saw leaving. Great scene.
Where I'm at, the favorites get to do what they want and we haven't seen these people in MONTHS! YET, I'm in IT and I CAN do my job from home.....yet we have to go in to an EMPTY company! NO ONE IS IN THE OFFICE. So I make the really long commute to work with barely anyone in the office. Also, many have quit and are still quitting for work at home jobs where I'm at. These are lawyers. We are losing 4 more next week! YES, there are agendas and it's BS!
@elliottnance205 We probably work at the same place. Ridiculous. We were told we could work 2 days from home, but everyone works 4 days from home, while the rest are never in.....my dept. (2 of us) get to work 1 day from home. We can't even do the 2 as promised to everyone. Yeah, some agenda to get people to go.
My team is spread all over the country mostly working from home and only going to the office when necessary. We can talk to each other in conference calls for meetings. Personally, WFH is a great time and energy savings and stress relief. And I can concentrate and be a lot more productive at home.
Yeah, with everything being digital these days, it amazes me that there aren't more companies that do only remote. They would save a lot of money having people work from home than spending all that revenue on a huge office building with desks and computers that people already have at home. If companies want to save money, then remote is the perfect way to do it. It would definitely not only help their overhead but will help their bottom line.
Time to go , is time to go , no matter cheap or secret or any tactic, money 💰 cost is the supreme Almighty of the corporate world . Tactic is just the side effect . Intelligence cannot save a job , but with intelligence it’s always possible to find a new job ….
Return to office is dumb
Says the lazy millennial.
@@miketheyunggod2534says the foolish boomer
0:43 sinister is not a 50 cent word sir, everyone knows what it means
The employer just needs to call the employee to the carpet and tell them they’re spending too much time away from the computer, if they are tracking the employees, they need to know.
This was done by a company I worked for 25 years ago. If you wanted to keep your job…you never worked from home…ever…
Like they have their eyes on every employee anymore in the office than they do when they were at home
My friend worked with a guy who, along with others was laid off from a middle management position.
The next day that guy waited for the manager responsible for his layoff to leave the building Now the man who was laid off was released from prison last year after spending a decade behind bars.
Be very very careful when you are the one responsible for upending someone’s life.
This whole argument is dumb. My boss wants me to move to another state with no pay bump and no relocation package to come into the office 3 days a week max where I would just join meetings on teams. My expenses would shoot up and my productivity would drop. Makes no sense.
Sounds like they are being unreasonable, not using sound business logic, and may want to show you the Exit Door. Document everything going on. Depending on the situation, your age, tenure, you may be wise to get some legal advice. Stay calm and good luck. Hoping things work out. 🙏 ❤🎉
Nope not going back. I enjoy working from home. Let offices go down. They will eventually
It's not the firing conversation they sent like. It's the paying severance they dont like.
I knew someone who enjoyed the process of getting someone fired. She could figure out how to get the best employee fired.
Learned collaboration was a buzz word when it was used so much at my last company wanting more people in the office. They couldn't define it, but they definally used it a ton. What was funny was I saw the ploy when we were all in a Zoom call all next to each other. It was very dystopian to me. Knew I had to leave once the new manager was asking me to do coworkers responsibilities outside my scope. Started applying for new jobs that same day.
In my experience, HR does not hire/fire employees. Rather they facilitate the process. Supervisors/managers/department heads lead the charge there.
When requiring employees to return to work we must consider the value that it will add to the team and organization. The leader that says "because I said so" is LAZY! As leaders, we must be thoughtful in our approach and communication with the people we serve both internally and externally.
I manfage a team with staff in the US HQ and abroad and am thankful we have been able to successfully manage this transition. Hybrid in the US working for us - we voted and decided as a team what 2 days we would be in the office together. The value is the collaboration . . . Planned and spontaneous.
So glad to be retired now. When I read about the current goings-one in the present work environment, things seem to be so much more toxic, and they were so much so during the last great one in 2008-09.
Stay strong to everyone going thru the upheaval. ❤ 2 All.
After 10yrs on the job, I was fired without any warning and out the in 30 minutes.
i left my employer, GM, of 13 years because they decided only in-person "collaboration" was beneficial, no matter we had proven over the previous 3 years that we were more productive working remotely. it was obvious they were trying to reduce the headcount and irritating us w/ long commutes & distraction-filled offices was one way to do it.
Not only that when they want to get rid of you, they try and make you so miserable you want to quit. They don’t want to pay unemployment.
Well there is a difference between telling a person they are laid off and manipulating them into quitting.
One has to pay.
I saw this one company offer a small severance to anyone who would volunteer to quit. They needed about 15 employees out the door.
I want to say only about 4 people voluntered because they had a job lined up and it was an extra paycheck.
After that they laid off the rest which got a better deal but it still sucks
Follow the money.. Forcing people to commute generates billions for the economy. People have to buy cars, gas, clothes, food, etc. In my case I need a second car to get to work. During covid we got buy on one car because I was working from home.
My children are now over fifty years old and struggle every week to add a skill to their resume or do something to be as least likely to be laid off as possible...buying assets if possible..while still trying to live a "normal" life while raising the youngest of their 5 kids
HR doesnt even go in either
Ken says the word “sinister,” and thinks he’s using a big word. 😂 He either thinks very little of his audience’s intellect or way too highly of his own.
Haha you read my mind accurately 😂
Remember the Cheers episode where Norm's company had him do all the firings because he was so good at it.
Yes make people go to the office !!! I go to work 5 days a week 12 to 14 hour days.
I almost spit up my water when ken did his peppy firing hr guy impression
I had a remote job for 3 years and the entire wing of the company was remote, unfortunately for our team we were all let go without any option to start back at the firm. Evidently my co workers work visas etc are gone. Just to get people back into the office.
I have been working from home for a long time now and I do not see the value of one over the other in terms of productivity as long as you have motivated employees that are not trying to milk the clock. Usually you can determine this based around their level of productivity. But I disagree with the “Because I said so” is bad parenting. I do think there is value in the lesson of “you don’t always have to know every single thing behind every single decision that is made. Sometimes it could be a cop out but it also can mean I don’t want to share the answer or reason with you.
I remember a certain someone shit talking anyone who wanted to wfh as lazy scammers in sweatpants
Offices are for bosses.
I was in the Army for 24 years and thought the grass was greener on this side. I understand why they want people back in the office, I have seen most people do just enough to keep the job and it is all ages. I know now why I would get lazy privates, they learned it from their lazy parents. People have become entitled here in the US and don't even realize it, everyone wants it now, without working for it, and then plays the victim when it doesn't work out. I've been remote for over 4 years now and see it every day, people. We would call them Blue Falcons in the Army. Sadly, it is contagious I would tell my junior leaders most people will do what you check if you don't check people will stop doing it and that becomes the new standard. Everything is so much easier in the civilian workforce other than dealing with people. I'm used to working with professionals and grown-ups who put the needs of the many before themselves and people put themselves first on this side and pretend that they don't.
The panoptic control.
The workplace is an absolute disaster
Are there people who don’t know what sinister means? Maybe they’re the ones getting laid off
Talking about sinister - people that work in HR are sinister.
HR is a profession for people who didn't know what they wanted to do in college and partied the whole time. My sister is in HR and this describes her perfectly.
Sinister is the Latin word for left handed. You don’t have to have watched TV to know what that means.
It’s all because real estate investments
4:34 this is me 😂😅
I'm 46. Single. HAVE BAD KNEES BAD BACK make 14 dollars an hr.. cannot have a home. I cannot afford a place to live.
I'd kill for any office job I could do to make enough money to have A HOME!!!! To have a place to live and maybe be able to date a d find someone on my life.
I dont want to hear about ppl PISSING AND MOANING because they MUST come into THERE OFFICE to earn there MONEY to be able to have a life!!!
Instead of stress making them think of not living any more.
I dont wa to hear there cpmplaints
Do you think they want to hear yours?
So you decided to...complain about it? 😂
‘There’, you said it.
Since our offices and locations are all over the states and world with managers not in the regions most the employees are. That old, we like face to face time.. hahahaha BS ! On the rare occasions where we have several people in the same office, we may be sitting at desks right next to each other but at all on a zoom call talking to each other. Not going to go to a conference room to have a "live chat" It's so stupid. So no. Will force them to take action. Many have. Some have been let go but many have not over the last 2 to 2.5 years now. Still rolling.
I get a lot more work done in the office than at home. Too many distractions. And when I was working as a recruiter, there were at least a couple of candidates that looked like they were working more than one job simultaneously because they were remote. I wonder how common that is.
I am convinced several people on my team are in this scenario. I swear they have multiple WFH jobs.
With Dave Ramsey 's resources, did he build apartments and housing for employees next to the campus, or does he have them spend an hour in traffic everyday?
If they are in the Knoxville area, then chances are high they are commuting an hour in traffic. The commute traffic there is horrible. it's very similar to California which is one of the reasons, i won't move to the Knoxville area.
To be fair, lots of people “working” from home were scamming their employers almost transparently and posting about it all over social media. Working from home is here to stay, but companies will develop new ways to crack down on “working” from home.
There's two sides to every story. Let's start a conversation about quiet vacationing.
lol guy, the admin types invented the quiet vacation
We are all just meat puppets.
Only 13% of American jobs are office jobs. I cant believe you talking about this like majority of American workers even have the option to work remote.
Ramsey and his owners are desperate to get their real-estate values up so the goons get to push this non-sense. This is literally propaganda for a purpose and has nothing to do with education or news.
i talk to my bosses 5x more, if not 10x more, than i ever did when i went into the office. its all a joke. become an indispensable employee and cross your fingers, or build your own business.
Employees who “work” from home aren’t working, and THAT’s why companies are forced to monitor them. Every staff member I work with has admitted to me they do virtually nothing at home. My employer doesn’t monitor its employees, and they’ve run amok. Stories abound about staff who routinely go on cruises without telling our employer so they don’t have to claim sick time. I hear how convenient it is to “work” in pajamas, take the kids to school, walk the dog, do the laundry. Okay…so when, exactly, are you actually getting anything done? I agree with a lot of what you say, but on this issue, you are terribly misinformed.
Idk how people can listen to this guy
Just say no! That simple employees. Don't go back too the office if you don't have too. It's either the boss is a control freak or the business real estate market will collapse ( boo hoo)
Why the change in tune? You used to be a return to office shill.
Too many 'work from home' aren't working and everyone knows it. If the job started in the office, I'm not sure why anyone would expect that they would forever be able to work from home.
Well, with the ways companies are cutting back, having employees work remotely is a huge savings on them. One of these days, ALL office jobs will be strictly remote. If you have a computer, you can do anything at home that you need to do in the office. In most cases anyway.
So I’m onsite but I used to be able to work hybrid at my last job.
I stand by if you can handle it great. It should be allowed.
That said way too often is it abused. One of my coworkers took a week long vacation and didn’t tell anyone but me cause he knows I can’t do anything about it without being labeled a snitch and so I would stop emailing him. He just answered emails twice a day. How is that fair to the employees who have to come in? Who have to still answer emails even if they are on vacation.
We also have issues with people not learning. Like technical reps who cannot learn the material. And I’ve spent months trying to teach them online.
It’s frustrating. But it should be given with time after you prove yourself not right away to be as fair as possible to the employees who have to come in and to avoid creating a toxic workplace
In what way is any of this not a management problem. Guy does nothing for a week and nobody notices? Hes gonna do that in the office too if management is that useless
@@DoodleHats Oh people notice. The problem is he lodged a harassment report against his manager who also has a harassment report against him. So hurray it’s a giant mess.
That said he does come in occasionally and when he comes in he does work. He’s in an office with a high ranking and very serious chemist who won’t let him slack office.
But the issue is especially when he works from home he take me credit for everyone else’s work claiming it’s his own then get gaslit if we stand up.
You can say it’s a management issue but management has tried to do something and now it’s more a legal/HR issue as he’s threatening a lawsuit. But again whole other mess that I wonder if he just worked in the office like everyone else everyday if we could have avoided this.
Remote work is just the first step in AI replacing most office workers....wake up.
Way to look down on your own audience
Workers should approach their careers like their marriages: Can I live with this if this is as good as it will ever be?
Most at-home workers are slackers. Mow the yard, wash the car, play with the kids outside....all during 9 to 5 hours. It's human nature. If it were MY money paying these salaries, 100% in office work 5 days a week! PERIOD!
Nice bait, very boomerish.
I get more done remotely since no commute, but It is actually more relaxing for to be in the office for me overall since at least I can have normal breaks, lunch etc instead of being tied to the computer constantly at the house. I guess you may not be aware of software that monitors activity/ documents progressed, etc?
Told my bosses,bosses, boss directly when rto was announced, that the extra 3 hours a day i was giving them was now going away due to a commute 1.5 hours each way. I wasnt ryde about it just factual.
Well, maybe you say that because you know that you have no discipline to work at home. At least you admit to it. And that is fine, because many are slackers and don't work when they are supposed to. In my company, many of those employees don't work while they are there. So, it doesn't really matter if someone is remote or not. If somebody is lazy, they will be lazy anywhere. Some people that actually have good work ethic will work just as well remote as they do in the office.
Is it sinister to bring people back to work or is it sinister to give 50% or less to your job when you are working from home versus when you are in office and expect your employer to enthusiastically just want to keep paying you for less output.
Poor Ken's speech is slowly getting more slurted
Cause you're a pretty face?
If people don’t like the business dictating, whether they work remotely or in the office, they should start their own business, where they can make all the decisions. For all the people out there that portray every company as highly profitable, and the owners are greedy, they’ve obviously never ran their own business.
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Wow, are you ever annoying....sinister, my 7 year old granddaughter knows what that means...
Strange pandering video, I certainly understand your need to confirm your viewers feelings. After many years as a successful manager, I never needed to resort to stealth firing. I have seen a number of abuses of work from home, particularly employee’s (who are not capable of managing ‘work from home’) demanding the same ‘work from home privileges.’ I expect that managers are disappointed with productivity from work from home workers, some people can handle this environment…but they are few and would be in the top percentage of the employee base. Btw - top percentage does not include everybody.
I can tell you that privileges is the key word…work is work.
Ken you are all wet on this one….does Dave agree with you on this video?
The problem stems from both ends though and is a particular issue at our agency. You are correct in that some folks certainly cannot be trusted with WFH, but there's a responsibility of the manager to measure this and act accordingly. WFH should be a privilege/perk that can be granted and removed based on simple productivity metrics and performance; no need for emotion and whatifs to play a hand here. Not pulling your weight? Then back to the office you go, if not out the door entirely.
Our company has some bad apples that certainly need a short leash, but rather than managing those users, they just paint with a broad brush and tighten the leash on all. This leads to people with stellar pandemic reviews getting dragged back needlessly to sit at a PC in an office rather than one at home and even more peculiar recalls like call centers that live and breathe on easily measured metrics; users that don't/can't collaborate and are simply valued based on how quickly they answer the phone and resolve issues, something that could be and has been done anywhere. To be dragged back to a desk after years of solid work after dangling the comfort, freedom and cost savings of WFH is offensive to say the least. I used to suspect the job could be done remote, now I've proven it for years.
Of course, those that do need to be dragged back often don't seem to mind; they're the same users who's uselessness was an open secret back when we were all in the office full time before, but again, management values butts in seats as productivity rather than actual results it would appear. The whole get in early, stay late, what a go getter sort of thing, even if you're just hiding in your corner playing Angry Birds all day. It is both a benefit and a curse that the firing hammer is so rarely wielded here.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if shaking people loose by needlessly tearing away a costless perk such as WFH does in fact have a sinister motive to remove the onus of managing employees from the management teams, but I suspect that those that leave of their own volition weren't likely the issue to begin with.
The same ones who slack remote are the same ones that slack in the office….
Well, those managers need to take action. If people are not getting their jobs done from home then they should be fired. No different than in the office.
@@75OldsNinetyEight BINGO!!