Were the Crusades Defensive?
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2019
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Jonathan Phillips - Holy Warriors: A Modern History of the Crusades (2010)
Thomas Asbridge - The First Crusade: A New History (2005)
Thomas Asbridge - The Crusades: The Authoritative History of the War for the Holy Land (2011)
Thomas F. Madden - The Concise History of the Crusades (2013)
Susanna A. Throop - Crusading as an Act of Vengeance, 1095-1216 (2016)
Toby E. Huff - The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China, and the West (2017)
Jonathan Riley-Smith - Crusading as an Act of Love (1980)
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BadHistory Thread on Bill Warners Lecture: / review_why_we_are_afra...
AskHistorians Thread on Bill Warners Map 1: / given_the_recent_uptic...
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Emran Quresh - The New Crusades - Constructing the Muslim Enemy (2003)
Kansas Trio Convicted in Plot to Bomb Somali Immigrants:
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Trump Vetoes Measure to Force End to U.S. Involvement in Yemen War: www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us...
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Fun fact: You can easily use Steven Crowder's logic to justify 9/11 as a defensive action against the American Empire.
yeah it's almost like war isn't a good thing for anyone, and any justification other than being attacked is a shitty political move
Exactly. The “Christian Empire” had been killing subjugated Muslims in Chechnya, Kosovo and Bosnia for wanting to be independent, and the Christians had been bombing and slaughtering Muslims in their own homes. It is only an appropriate response from the Muslim empire to retaliate.
@@TheDirtysouthfan Funnily enough US support for the Russians in Chechnya was one of Bin Laden’s motives
@@TheDirtysouthfan how on earth did you think that logic passed the sniff test? West supported Kosovo and Bosnian independence. Islamic terrorism against Russia during the Chechen war is well known
@@battlez9577 I think you completely missed the point. Read the comment I'm responding to
Christianity can only be defended by destroying Christianity.
THIS POST WAS MADE BY 4TH CRUSADE GANG
The true enemy of Islam is other Muslims
This post was made by medieval Middle East empire
Wasn't that also SkyNet's reasoning?
ericph9 very true
Every crusade after the first one: "Well, I guess the real success were the jews and christians we killed along the way."
The people's crusade was truly the best crusade.
Imagine being swayed by propaganda that’s like 800 yrs old
Stefan Moleneux fell for 2000-3000 year old propaganda about Rome
@@lordpiggington5259 Ironically the Romans also believed that people who had lighter skin like him were inferior in intellect. So he probably shouldn't be spouting propaganda from a civilization that would've deemed him intellectually inferior.
@@X64813 It's like Sargon using the persona of Sargon of Akkad while saying Muslims from the middle east are the cause of all evil, they just don't see the irony
Judeocristianity/Islam has entered the chat
@@negao360 I was just gonna say that religion is basically the same thing.
Steven Crowder was the one who snapped me out of my anti-sjw phase when I was 17 because he said something so idiotic it made me just close the video and walk away from that whole rabbit hole.
do you think teens are consuming his content, like who is watching him now? its not younglings?
@@takeshikovach5165 No idea. I'm guessing anyone who feels like a social outcast is a prime victim.
Do you remember what he said that made you leave?
Same, fucking same, I am far left but I identified as "right wing" due to some echo chambers I got myself into, but Ben Shabeebo and Crowder got me out, ironically
@@chaotickreg7024 it could literally be his entire catalog and it finally clicked for them.
This video was the first thing on my feed when I opened RUclips on my phone for something to listen to in prep for a long drive.
This gon' be good
Hey saw you in the sonic trailer. That costume has gone downhill man.
It is.
@@Bhazor Yeah, we need him as the actor for Sonic and kill that fascist Eggman, after all, he mistreated Benny( not that Judeo-Christian fanatic called Ben Shapiro, who gets destroyed by Facts and logic).
It's H. Bumbleboy! 🐝
What are you doing here? Keep making videos and consuming soy!!!
Crowder playing ck2: Why is he moving troops on me? We are both Christian!
Lmaooooo
Also in ck2: Why is my brother plotting against me and fucking my sister? We are both Christians!!
One time I made my son a monk so didnt have to give him any landed titles. I feel like that pretty well sums up how "Christian" medieval Europe was
Me: Pope! Pope! Can I sack these Slavic lands?
Pope: to defend the Christian values?
Me: yeahhhhhhh to defend the Christian values ( actually to gain majority land to become king)
@@thatonestormtrooper2760 Comparing a game to real life. Big oof.
Wait. Crowder thinks that American schools teach anything about the Crusades at all?
Edit: it seems that my school was just really bad at teaching history, because plenty of others learned about them.
He also thinks anything other than college and above teach CRT. The GOP is just a black hole where information COULD be, but it's not.
Of course it doesn't because it has nothing to do with US history at all.
@@yrretgnortsmra8955 ...and? It's called History class, not US History. Honestly schools should be teaching even more of the bad shit that we've done as a country, as well as what other countries have done. Kids need to know how the world works rather than just being thrown out there with a flawed perception.
American schools are liberal, leftist indoctrination camps. They don't teach the truth about History.
LMAO...this dude is using wikipedia as a reference...I bet he even used google as a search engine lol. I've written things on wikipedia and I'm faaaaar from an expert on anything. Literally anyone can post anything on wikipedia.
Crowder’s understanding of medieval history likely comes from playing Assassin’s Creed.
The crusader where the bad guys in assassins creed, you kill the pope in one the games.
@@beepbeeptaco92 true but that happened 300+years after the first crusade.
@@beepbeeptaco92 you dont kill the pope the sons pope kills him first
If he had played AC, then he would probably be better at bullshitting crusade facts.
AC is an academic paper compared to this utter garbage.
Wait, who are we supposed to kill again?
Crusaders: Yes
Everyone that breathes.
Children: enslaved
Jews: murdered
Constantinople: sacked
Yep, it's crusading time.
Demagogue * ANGRY BYZANTINE NOISES *
"Slay them all, God will know his own."
@@DemagogueBibleStudy "who would sack the nut castle on my second son's first birthday?"
Steven "I only debate 19 year old college kids" Crowder
@Anemo R didn't he get bitchslapped by one of them? lmao
Steven "excuse midlle aged mom, please try to debunk our health system right now so I can own you in front of my audience" Crowder
I'm just bored leave me alone he debates people other than college kids it literally takes 30 seconds to find on his channel
Steven “I act like a jackass, but it works sadly somehow’ crowder
"And still lose"
“The Crusades were campaigns against Muslim aggression”
Doge Enrico Dandolo: “I am blind, I don’t know what a Muslim looks like. I thought we were in Egypt when we burned Constantinople nearly to the ground”
"Blood up to their knees" could very easily mean blood stains, splashes or splatters on their clothing, not necessarily that they were literally wading through a pool of blood at that depth.
i forget the author but that is a direct quote. its a nice perspective you have but the contemporary sources inflate the number of dead. maybe one street had all that blood
@@Zafersan Maybe the bodies were piled that high, and it wasn't actually just blood.
I reckon you are speaking about the first crusade sieging Jerusalem?
The numbers of people mentioned are higlhy inflated as no city in that time had that amount of people.
Also anybody who beliefs streets in a city could be filled with knee high blood as if it was a river, is a fucking idiot..... that's not how genocide looks like, that's a hollywood romantication of genocide...
I spend half a year in high school writing a scientific prepatory paper on this.
Pretty sure they actually implied the pools of blood being that high tho that's obviously a exaggeration or maybe a misunderstanding.
It means "blood up to their knees".
I love fighting my defensive wars against Islam in the Baltics and Scandinavia against Pagans
God damn those dirty Finnish Muslims
yeah seriously. Just like the Nazis "defending the west against Communism" by invading Poland and France and Greece and Belgium and the Netherlands and Yugoslavia, etc pp
Don't forget Southern France.
@@Jatischar You have to first gain terrain to effectivly defend it right?
Not to mention the Crusades against the Cathar Christians in France and the Orthodox Christians in Byzantium.
1 hour! My day is already better!
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Love your videos, keep on the good work.
You do good work
Oh you're here too?! Love your videos
Love your video keep up the good work.
"they cant have blood up to their knees! its physically impossible!" is such a ben shapiro argument im surprised we're not speaking hypothetically
“Wdym im homophobic. Im not *scared* of the gays”
It kind of is tho
"let's say, let's say that they had blood literally- LITERALLY up to their knees. the average adult's knees are over fifteen inches high. that would mean there was fifteen inches of blood. that is, that is physically impossible."
@@maivaiva1412 but it is
@@donaldhysa4836 of course it is. it's an old, dramatized, historical, translated statement. the point is that nobody thinks it's literally true, people just think it illustrates that there was a lot of blood.
“The dark ages weren’t call that because of all the knights”
My news favorite unexpected pun 😂
"I have to admit... these are a lot of dots." I'm dead.
Wasn't bored a single second. Don't apologize for the length!
Hoooold on how did you get to watch it so early
Unknown Username Patreon.
God. It was so painful to listen to this 1hr of straw-manning
@@MattieK09 what? He fact checking what Steven Crowder said, hows that straw-manning?
@@MattieK09 You dont know the definition of strawman at all.
Steven Crowder: “context matters” *when talking about Bill Clinton and 9/11
Also Steven Crowder: *proceeds to put everything out of context
It actually makes me sick when I see him do this. I've seen fear mongering before--especially with politicians, but I don't have the stomach for it when he does the same thing. There's something so ugly about him.
@@highsun76 Fear mongering is when leftists basically claim there are "nazis"# everywhere... Or make up bullshit about Trump while being blind to Biden's errors...
@@Fenris77 Name a leftist who is on TV saying there are nazis everywhere and name an error biden has made that the left has ignored.
@@thedabblesovereign458 And Biden's errrors, how about the executive orders he made how many?
Racial studies that to me sounds awfully like racial biology.
Him screwing up jobs and then this about purging for example the US military from anyone that may have just voted for Trump...
@@Fenris77 He is purging the military of white supremacists if that comes off to you as him purging trump supporters then idk. Also, please name some of the orders you have a problem with and you think are errors.
You can always tell an honest person by their bibliography. I just found your channel (embarrassingly because of Rammstein - Don’t make fun) and have been creepily leaving comments ages after the videos were posted. But as an academic myself I deeply respect your honesty and rigor. That you’re not the one with 9 million views shows just how corrosive the medium is to the discourse. Thanks for the great work! I would donate, but like I say I’m an academic so I am paid in committee assignments.
Cheers! I discovered him because of the Deutschland video
I make no fun but how did you both find this channel from listening to Rammstein. I love Rammstein but the only history I have ever learned from them is a summarization of Germany's long history (the song Deutschland )
@@dogeofgreatness2222 daniel made a video about a rammstein song and that's probably how they found his videos, not just through listening to rammstein lol . they were likely looking for that song or discussions about it.
I found Rammstein because of three arrows so you have permission to laugh at me
@@SunflowerSocialist I would, but Rammstein kicks ass.
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Jude Lammirato Short answer: no
Long answer: Well maybe but actually no
I think the Byzantine will answer that question
I hour long no
Backstroke of the West version: DO NOT WAAAAANNNNNT!
I'm just going to assume that the long answer was in Darth Vader's voice.
Anybody looking to Steven Crowder for historical insight really doesn't care much about historical accuracy.
He only cares about 2 things
1 Money
2 His slaves
I mean, the same goes for Three Arrows, if you truly want to learn history just open a book.
@@Machiroable lol no , he give sources AND FACTS HARD ONES.
if ur blind.
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@@Machiroable compare three arrow's description to Steven's in regards to the crusades, then tell me who actually does the research
Given that the actions of Medieval Islam against Christianity is the source of so much indignant outrage amongst the 'Alt Right' crowd, you'd think that their revulsion would also extend to the Pagan Norse Vikings. Of course, the Vikings are mentioned with total reverence for 'European culture'. I wonder why...
Ofcourse the difference being that medieval Islam was much kinder on the christians.
@Winston Mosquehill If you honestly think that all the bad things that happened in the middle-east is due to Europeans you are pretty far gone into a brainwashed cult. You seem to be pretty brainwashed if you think the Hadiths promote peace and tolerance. You *want* that to be the case since peace and tolerance is what we value today, but back then it was seen as honorable to conquer land, and Muhammed and his forces conquered lots of lands, and the non-muslims are dhimmis.
@@conforzo lmao, if you really think that the europeans didn't start this snowball, you are pretty brainwashed and far gone into a cult. You seem to be pretty brainwashed if you think the crusaders promoted peace and tolerance. You *want* that to be the case since peace and tolerance is what we value today, but back then it was seen as honorable to conquer land, and the pope and his crusaders conquered lots of lands, and left everything in ashes and destruction.
@The Icon of Sin and there is no difference between Hitler and any modern alt right leader *cough* DRUMPF *cough* in terms of values and beliefs.
@Himer Samps even lower iq comment by you.
Yup, 'cause the Catholics were so nice to all the pagans and nonbelievers in the lands they conquered, Steven.
To be fair the spread of christianity was more peacful then the spread of Islam, yes many people were converted violently (the frisians, saxons and baltic tribes for example) but over all still more peacful then Islam
There's also a 'fun' episode from the peoples' crusade where a contingent of the crusader army was moving through Germany and thought, 'hey~waitaminute, why risk our necks trying to get to the holy land when there are these rich jews to pillage right here!'
@@bosertheropode5443 feraldawns comment was a simple illustration of Christianity conveniently ignoring the violence used to spread it, and you had to come back with some, 'yeah, but we were less violent than those other guys!' rationalization. You also left out the reconquista and the inquisition, the subjugation of the Americas, and all the other places around the globe where imperial/colonial euorpeans viewed themselves as being in the right when forcefully bringing 'savage' tribes to heel so that they could be 'civilized' by christian teachings. gtfo
@@funstuff2006 The reconquista was Kind of justified tho, at least till the part of the persecution of muslims and jews
@@funstuff2006 Lmao do you Think native american, oceanic or african tribes were peacfull towards their neighbours? I know this could be seen as Whataboutism, but its kind of annoying that just caucasian people have to reflect their dark past. The arabian and african slave trade isnt a thing on our schools (even tho it lasted quite a bit longer then the european one), some rich black guys on tiktok literally say that homeless white people are still more privileged then them, others want reperations for things neither them nor their parents/grandparents experienced, and some strange individuals, like evergreen State college students, want to exclude white people from their Campus and attack them if they point a damn finger at them.
"vlad tepes was a little bit of a sadist" understatement of the century lol
Yeah, a guy who left a forest of impaled bodies outside of his kingdom to act as a deterrent for his enemies. I mean, just a bit sadistic.
Even killed thousands of his own people, but if you say that you are a propagandist. Then i guess Bram Stoker is also a propagandist, since he was inspired in Vlad to make his VERY evil and bloodthirsty caracter dracula which clearly isnt making Vlad tepes to be a good guy. And no, im not saying romanians shouldnt look up to him as a hero, heroes kill people BTW. But painting the guy as a sane and perfect savior? Thats disrespectful for him
Vlad The Impaler was a sadist after he lived in Turkey all his childhood and teen years.
There’s a big underdog narrative surrounding him. Neo crusaders like to push the idea that everything he did was justified since he refused to pay tribute to Mehmed II.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the anti-villain antagonist from the Castlevania Netflix show, and I was very confused for a minute.
It seems like every war can be broken down to some rich guy or guys getting a bunch of poor people to kill each other to further their own gains
Basically. Consolidating power is the primary driver of all wars.
Basically
**Honestly.**
kid versus chemical 4000 years of world history in one paragraph.
@william sadly it doesn't mate that paragraph true. The further in time you go back the more of the leaders were in the actual combat and the majority wasn't by some marxist example of wealth caricature. That simply isn't how it went most of the time. Sometimes the landowner points the army sometimes they are just riding the tiger hoping not to get eaten.
Speaking of the ancientness of beheadings and torture, in ancient Greek and Rome, slaves who gave testimony in a trial, were required to be tortured first, because a slave that wasn't tortured was assumed to be lying. This was what Crowder would call the "heart of Western Civilization".
As someone who grow up in the Middle East, i can tell you first hand, your average Moe does not link the Crusades with modern day west ... we're not that stuck in history.
My history class didn't emphasis much on crusade atrocities either.
At the end of the day, there are way too many modern day atrocities in the past century for focus to shift that far.
I'm from the mideast too and I can confirm. I think we took one fleeting lesson on the "fringiyun" and that was it.
Where I'm from, we're dealing with much more impending and immediate issues, and we're not caught up in something that's happened centuries ago.
@@highsun76 welcome to most of american students. The media would like you to believe something else, but no.
sadly this is not the case for muslims living in the west.... or for the Turkish government in some sense...
@@ishitrealbad3039 lmao what?
@@highsun76 Erdogan literally views it's relationship with europe as "crusaders vs muslims". Many islamic (moroccan and turkish) migrants in europe view europeans as their enemies and view western modern culture as christian.
Literally overheard a group of turks argueing that "spain used to be ours".
Anyone in europe who lives in a multiracial society and actually listens and talks to the different peoples knows this.
The crusaders were just having a heated gaming moment
At least they went farther than any gamer, as they actually ate some ass.
@@Siamzero1994 ewww
@@Siamzero1994 the absulute state of gaymers
@@Siamzero1994 Ba-dum-tissss!...
"exigua enim trolling " -Godfreyy of Boulion, 1099-
"Peter the Hermit was the Stefan Molyneux of his time"
I'm dead bro hahahaha
@Colin Cleveland probably
@Colin Cleveland I have the unfortunate experience of being familiar with his work, mostly through Shaun's videos debunking it. I'd call Stefan Molyneux a Hoppean.
@Colin Cleveland He certainly has the horizon of someone sitting at the bottom of a well.
More like the Mullah Omar.
I love how he says the crusaders weren't just going around slaughtering muslims because they weren't christians because I'm Jewish and in school I was told stories of crusaders coming to Jewish towns and commiting massacres of men women and children but I'm sure these were just rettaliations to the muslim's "first crusade"
Nah, it was rettaliation for death of the Christ :p
I'm not kidding, that was actually the reason given for most antisemite acts at the time ^^
👑
@Cal oy vey
No, it was retaliations against persecutions of Christians by Muslims AND Jews that were the accomplishes of the Muslims. Historically, Jews also helped the Muslims to conquer the Maghreb and Spain to destroy Christendom.
Dood, Mohammed was killing Jews in Arabia for not becoming Muslim.
The guy who punched Steven Crowder in the face only performed "defensive" assualt.
its called forward defence
The worst thing about Stephen Crowder by far is that millions of people listen to him.
@Noise Pollution
Relax diabetus
@Noise Pollution You don't need to be american to tell that crowder is a moron. Just eyes and an IQ that surpasses the single digits.
College students are really getting into Crowder. It's insane
Crowder is way more successful and viewed than this guy or any other lefty channel. And that’s with the special privileges Lefties have from the media and the constant attempts of shutting down non-liberals
@Surgé Land at least you Irish got rid of that pesky Norman Stefan Molyneux
"Crowder takes 10 seconds to make a claim, and the explanation why what he says is gibberish takes several minutes."
Sadly one of the reasons why the bullcrap of Crowder and others is so pervasive
So true... I feel bad for Crowder. Failed comedian turned cash hungry alt right talking head. Must be hard to look in the mirror for him... I bet he doesn't actually stomach a lot of the things he says. He just says them for cash... The guy speaks more than one language right? He has a decent educational background right? Surely he's not a total fucking moron right??? He's just a asshole who sold his soul... What a waste. Guy could do so much better in this world with his platform but no... He's a shit bag...
Right off the bat he says that something is being taught across colleges but fails to provide a single example of it being taught in any college. It's a baseless appeal to the College Bad sentiment that his viewers lap up like ambrosia salad.
In fact, to support the idea that this is a ubiquitous concept among the populace, he cites one politician's speech and a couple RUclips-based online news/entertainment sources aimed at a younger audience.
@@travishimebaugh8381 are you pretending you were showed the whole video??
He did not disprove this being a retalitory war. He reiterated war has violent bloodshed.
@@lispinlunatic9205 *are you pretending you were showed the whole video??*
There's no pretense, bucko. I watched this one a few years back when a relative was trying to sell me on how great Stevie Crowder was. Even then I knew how flawed his account of history was.
Imagine my delight when, only a few hours ago, I find someone dug up this putrid scrap of self-indulgent, faux-journalistic jetsam and made a point of uprooting the flimsy excuse for Big Braininess buttressing it.
By that logic: The Ottomans capturing Constantinople was just a reaction to the Roman Empire's expansion in the year 4 CE.
Except the Ottomans were largely Turkish and didn't live in Anatolia until much later.
Meaning?
@@psilocybinx8596 No his "point" is BS, your own statement of fact should've made that clear
Your knowledge of history is lacking
What.... you do realise islam didn't exist prior to 500AD right?
"They were decapitating peoples just they do now"
One of the Cursade's leaders, Bohémond de Tarente, to frighten defenders of a city took captives, roast them alive and pretended to eat parts of their corpses. It's not sure in the sources if he ate them or if he pretended to ate them.
Now, talk me again of the brutality of decapitation :p
Seriously, decapitation was an execution reserved for the nobility because it was one of the less lonf and painful death you get in that time. In middle-ages decapitation was when you were lucky, because there's a lot of things a human body can suffer before dying ^^
Who knows if that's true. Chroniclers had a habit of making things up, and this may well be one of them.
@@revanofkorriban1505 Yeah, of course if a crusader does horrible things, now we start to doubt the sources XD
But besides that, even if it was not true... decapitation was a thing in both camps, and one of the cleanest ways to die at the time ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 You're being pretty silly. I merely said that it probably was made up by a medieval writer who wanted to tell an entertaining story, and you accuse me of being intellectually dishonest? That's bad-faith argument if anything is, and it's absolutely disgusting, frankly.
@@revanofkorriban1505 Why would it been made up by an author? It could also had happened ^^
There was rumours of cannibalism during the Crusades, Bohemond wanted to frighten muslims, why not staging a cannibalism scene? ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 That's exactly why a chronicler would have that idea. Simply, it may or may not have happened, but it's not confirmed, so it should be taken as fact like you have. No serious historian takes the exaggerated accounts of past chroniclers without a gigantic grain of salt. In addition, there are many reasons why feigning cannibalism is actually NOT a good way to make a city surrender, which Bohemund de Taranto, an experienced war leader himself, would be well aware of. Would you open your gates to a cannibal's army?
Historian here. My training on the crusades doesn't make me an expert in any sense. My training was more readjusting my perceptions of the past to understand the past as a foreign land that I've never seen before. With this in mind I can't assure anyone that this video is exactly correct, however I can say you did an absolute outstanding job of at least explaining the crusades on a basic level. Most of your other videos deal with war related history which is not my field. My field is middle ages, late roman, and early Christian history. So to understand this history it was very important to understand what really happened with the crusades. This is all completely on point with what we went through at a college level. Please if you wish to counter someone on their beliefs on the crusades, share this video. I don't recommend using it in an academic sense, but I feel that's a given and not the goal for Three Arrows. So for what you were trying to accomplish you did an admiral job. Thank for your channel.
"Dark Ages is actually misleading and is very euro centric" THANK YOU
@@fisch246
I don't like the term "Dark Ages", but no one ever said that it applies outside of Europe.
@@fisch246 It's referred to Dark ages cause of how little written history is available in Europe , and it's solely based on western history, the same time era isnt referred to as Dark Ages when it comes to Eastern history.
It's like saying Qing Dynasty is misleading because there were other rulers at the time in different parts of the world.
@@fisch246 your not a historian
@@THX-bz8bi I am actually
Next to the cause of the US Civil War this topic is the most eye rollingly "debated" topics that we already know the answer to but clearly deals with stubborn revisionists. Crowder is one of the worst when it comes to this type of thing.
Right, you're dealing with people who desperately want to contort history into a neat little binary package to reaffirm their own fearmongering and cultural elitism.
The Cathars never forget
Trolltician you trolls aren’t even trying.
I dont believe that these events should be the basis of geo politics to be clear but many details should be debated. For instance several classes I have taken from middle eastern studies to cultural anthropology, and books I've read still describe crusaders as 2nd and third landless lords sons, all agreeing the average man's impetus in joining the crusaders were economic in nature. Yet these same classes or books ask us to believe genuine religious motivations of other actors. Even when let's say a jihad generates incredible loot or territory. I believe the wests ability to reflect and criticize their own past has gone too far, muddying a genuine attempt at rectifying years of disinformation
Suck you
"They raided churches!"
Yet somehow the Vikings are considered cool even though their main identity was raiding defensless monasteries and villages.
Actually the vikings did not raid and destroy as much as commonly believed, they mostly traded goods and were businessmen
@@gorefieldluvr6921 they have invented capitalism
@@theodorepatel514???
@@gorefieldluvr6921 they were entrepreneur
@@gorefieldluvr6921 They traded goods such as slaves
The Steven Crowder School of Debate: “Talk really fast to a room full of sycophants, and no one will call you on your bullshit.”
How has Crowder spent so much time in the media, yet somehow no one has taught him not to breathe and sniffle into the mic?
I don't imagine the right spends much time trying to positively critique each other
Every time he sniffles i want to throw up
probably by nit recognizing neck beards like you
@@exodus3518 that was childish to the piont of being much sadder than it was insulting
@@lukeh2556 okay, if its sad can you debate the substance?
28:30 To pitch in: I've had an Islamic education and yes, we learned about the slave trade as part of Islamic history
@I Am Groot Not really. It was instead designed to be phased out, since slavery can be so ingrained in a certain society. It made slavery a "recessive policy" as in, over time it perpetuates itself less and less.
I Am Groot slavery isn't haram but they have to be treated like a full human being with all rights but they can't have payment for their work and can not choose what work they can't do. More like modern slavery.
What country are you from ?
@@dr_lubaba nope
@@pipelayer859 There are many historical figures in islams who were slaves. Don't talk about something that you don't know.
Just started the video but my 'favourite' crusade was the one where Christian crusaders were hired as mercenaries to defend a city and then after defending it were like. "We'll take that payment...also this city is ours now too, sorry not sorry."
Also one of the first muslisms I got friendly with (coming from a rural town literally never met any until I moved near london in my early 30's) explained to me that any not mental modern muslim uses the term 'Jihad' to literally mean 'Personal struggle' in practically any part of their life, not specifically to mean 'holy war'. It's almost like most people are just, well, people.
"but my 'favourite' crusade was the one where Christian crusaders were hired as mercenaries to defend a city and then after defending it were like. "We'll take that payment...also this city is ours now too, sorry not sorry.""
Wich one is that? ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 Probably a modestly fucked description of the Fourth Crusade
But recognizing people as people is just a leftist cultural Marxist lobster hierarchy conspiracy .. . But it's not the Jews definitely not the Jews, wait why am I surrounded by white nationalists *sweats in Jordan Peterson*
Btw mega sarcasm here. Treating people as people is pretty good actually.
In the 4th crusade they had been excommunicated twice by the time they got to Constantinople, and were used by a byzantine claimant to take the city, only for said claimant to be killed and a usurper raised, who tried to expel the excommunicated crusaders, leading to said excommunicated crusaders to take the city for themselves
@@battlez9577 hahaha, thats amazing. Crusaders: We're on a holy crusade! Pope" please stop. Crusader: No really, holy as fuck mate! Pope: No, srsly, plz stop.
“Vlad the impaler was a bit of a sadist”
Bit of an understatement.
To be fair though Vlad the Impaler was doing it as a terror tactic since he was insanely outnumbered
He was ruthless in his tactics at war. To have the ability to see what you need to do to stop the Muslim armies. Outnumbered no real prospect for aid. Add to that the people who have betrayed your family and their deaths are part of your plan to stop the Muslims. He eliminated the first and cities that are key to a Muslim invasion. They provide a secure supply route and a fortified line of retreat for them as well. Coincidentally they are also the holdings of some of the folks on your list. Not even a question of not doing it. Now imagine you are one of the Janissaries as you enter those dark creepy Wallachian mountains, you have just traveled through a place that is laid to waste. Then you smell something, bad. You know what it is decaying bodies. It must be close. It isn't you keep marching, the stench grows eventually you come around a corner and what you see is a mountain pass stuffed with impaled bodies. Slowly it becomes obvious that there are thousands of them and they are Muslims. I don't care how veteran you are, this is walking into the hell those christians are scared of. You are scared, hungry and tired. A brilliant but ruthless mind.
@@northseapirate2313 with your logic the TURKS did terror attack on the armenians since the TURKS were insanely outnumbered by the Russians British and French In WW1)
@@islammehmeov2334 The Armenians weren’t invading Turkey, while Wallachia was being invaded by the Ottomans
@@northseapirate2313 the armenians were not but the Russians with the British were and the armenians were helping them
As an Anthropologist and Historian, I had to repeatedly pause this video out of frustration of some of the things Crowder says. It's just so blatant in it's ignorance and utter lack of actual historical and anthropological context, and lack of facts. He makes me want to tear my hair out, I swear.
I am neither, but I am a history fan (and generally a knowledge fan), and even I felt like headbanging the wall, so I can sympathise. :-/
Dorian Ertymexx always be suspicious of people who wants to transfer modern political agenda to events in the distant past.
I am only a humble anthropologist graduate, sitting at the start of the video, but this comment gave me A Fear
@@ertymexx Waste of a perfectly good headbang. Save it for a metal gig and give Crowder the finger
as a history and social sciance teacher i felt like banging my head ageinst the floor pretty much everytime crowder opend his mouth so i sympathise with you
I really don't have the stomach to do the kind of work you do.
Thank you.
I am glad you exist and do what you do.
@Trolltician Happy to see someone else sees the BS from this Marxist.
@@anthonyantinarella3360 We're all waiting for this argument, but you keep disappointing!
@Trolltician wanna elaborate?
Anthony Antinarella I’m always amused by the people who come up and just go “he’s lying” and then disappear. It’s like the real liar is in the comment section.
@Achilleskneel Watch whose video exactly?
As a muslim I truly respect the unbiased approach you went with and the amount of research you had to do entering the history of a religion many are unfamiliar with, subscribed.
Look into CS Lewis and George MacDonald.
Am Muslim and I think He is slightly biased and leaning to the left. I also disapprove of everything crowder said
The best man who was alive then was Saladin my apologies for not being able to spell his name correctly. He was a man of honor.
He is totally based, the crusades did start after centuries of Islamic invasions in to Christian lands, that's what literally happened. but some how for you unbiased means searching for every excuse for Islamic wars of conquest while shaming others😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@nartali9683 no you are totally ignorant of history. The simple fact that you in any possible way think Crowder is a reliable person to get history from shows the world that you are even dumber than he is. He at least gets paid to lie to racist half-wits. You being said racist half-wit have no excuse. I find your ignorance appalling and you to be an offensive boor.
Crowder shows vlad the impaler as a reason while the crusades were defensive.
The guy lived literally about 100-200 years after the crusades, comedy ++
Edit: Ok I just realized that there were crusades after the fourth and also against the ottomans but I crowder has no idea they exist
And sided with the Ottomans once or twice when it was politically expedient/convenient.
@@ScorpionViper1001 BuT tHe CrUsAdEs wErE dEfEnSiVe
I mean he’s a guy that thinks Ottomans existed in the 11th Century
Are you going to argue that the Kayi tribe of Orghuz Turks did not exist in the 11the Century? You are nitpicking with a guy that is not an historian.
@@philknox thats basic knowledge. If you are going to make a video about history you must know history.
You should make that suggestion to 3 Arrows.
onox hamaju no you are nitpicking by ottoman weren't there he means wasn't close to the power and size they would be in the 14 and 15 hundreds they existed but we're not a threat or any reason the crusades happened like Steven Crowder was saying.q
The only ones nitpicking are you and the incompetent creator of this video. Your side nit picked Crowder when he confused Seljuk and Ottoman. I am merely pointing out the absurdity of your arguments against Crowder a man that never claimed historical accomplishment. Your selective use of sources, and lack of understanding of secondary sources, makes you out to be worse than Crowder. Most of the actual academic sources cited (Madden, Riley-Smith, and marginally Asbridge) agree with Crowder's assertion even if gets some details incorrect. The sources listed do not include Hillenbrand which is a major omission on the Islamic perspective. This makes all of you agreeing with 3 Arrows look like morons. The irony is that most of you are not educated well enough on the subject to converse intelligently in spite of your pretensions
I know this is a really really really minor mistake, but as a big fan of Byzantine history I would like to point out that the Byzantine Emperor shown at 17:06 is not the First Crusade contemporary Alexios I Komnenos, but his great-grandson Alexios II Komnenos.
It doesn't matter, this video is still great.
Any correction is welcome. Can never have to much information, mate.
Liam Marra Correction: too*
sorry I had to
Ludus you’re aware you can edit your comments after they’ve been posted?
Ludus thanks mate. The toos, tos, and twos always get me. I appreciate it, it helps to have a grasp and to have command of ones language.
@@jaimem4973 yeah... ?
Wow... As a Christian, I find it deeply disturbing to learn that these perverse arguments have so much currency among people who claim to worship the same God I do. Thank you for at least mentioning that Christ's actual teachings are radically pacifistic, like "love your enemies", and "my kingdom is not of this world". Jesus didn't go around sacking cities...
Jesus was not a pacifist, nor is christianity a pacifist religion.
Jesus protected the helpless and destroyed the jewish temples.
God also doomed major cities in biblical theology.
"loving your enemies" does not mean that you should give them your house, territory or let them have your wife.
It means that you should not hate yoru enemies, as they are as broken and full of sin as you are. And it would be a lot better for everyone if they would see that and make themselves better instead of fighting amongst themselves.
You seem to sound like one of those hippie evangelical protestants......
@@ishitrealbad3039 C'mon; launching off at someone cause if their religion like that makes you just as bad as Crowder. Clearly this individual is on our side morally, don't pool them in with an overarching group full of people who malpractice the belief.
Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2 give permission for the government to use violence.
@@ishitrealbad3039 it doesn't mean you should deskin them or open their body open for gold or pull infants out of their mothers brest and crush their heads in front of the mothers
@Nathtaly Roy there’s a song you might like called “Who would Jesus bomb”
Crowder struggling to remember literally any year does not instill confidence in me
You’d think he would at least have some notes there to reference specifics
Basically Steven Crowder
*_"Why let facts and logic get in the way of a good crusade?"_*
Alfatazer _
Good ol EC references
An extra history fan. I too, sir am a man of fine taste
Walpole somehow caused this
I wouldnt let anything get in the way of a good crusade 😉
Deus Vult! Is that how it's spelled?
Vlad the Impaler just had a heated gaming moment when he impaled all those people give him a break
Killing those two Ottoman diplomats by nailing their turbans to their heads and sending their bodies back to the Sultan was a bad meme, calm down guy!
@Bas Baas looking at your channel banner with anti jew and white "genocide" propaganda, I am honestly not surprised at this take.
@Bas Baas not woke or breadpilled begone nazi
LOL
@Aaron Friedman He impaled diplomats and civilians as well(including his own people).
My favorite research paper I've ever written was actually on one of the Crusades, one of them that isn't talked about really. Everyone talks about the Catholic vs. Muslim struggle over the Holy Land, but my favorite, one that isn't addressed as part of the Crusades in compulsory schooling and that wasn't acknowledged by the Catholic Church until 1969, was the Albigensian (or Cathar) Crusade. It took place between 1209 and 1229 AD. And it was pointless. Basically, in a bunch of central and south-eastern regions [focused on Languedoc] of France, there was people identifying as Cathars, a group of ascetic Christians who didn't think highly of the Catholic Church. So Pope Innocent III sent armies, eventually killing somewhere between 200,000 and 1,000,000 people of the area. It was one of the events used to explain historical instances of genocide in the book that coined the term (by Raphael Lemkin) and the Crusade included such gems as the sentiment/potential statement "Kill them all, God will know his own" (the origin of that meme); a massacre of 20,000 men, women, and children at once; murdering priests in front of and atop their altars (Christian altars, I'll remind you); an army forcing the entirety of Carcassonne to flee either naked or in just their underwear (depending on the account); and multiple sieges decided by cutting off water supplies shortly followed by burning Cathars alive.
The Crusades were horrendous, and defending them from the Catholic perspective is, for lack of a better term, evil.
Edit: Three Arrows mentions it a little bit! I know he doesn't cover it much since it wasn't carried out against Muslims, but I'm glad it's covered since it's what I call a 'lost genocide', or a genocide that's been almost completely erased from the public consciousness (because, I mean, the only reason anyone brings it up is to criticize Christianity, which no one is all that interested with in the west).
That's interesting. I'll read more about it.
👑
The empire called the inquisition because it threatened the unity of the empire and the Church decided to step in because Albigensians were getting rounded up and killed by secular rulers and mobs and wanted to stop the heresy. The idea that it was genocide is debated but irrelevant to the Church’s involvement. The secular rulers started a crusade against the Albigensians due to their rebellion against the state for independence, AFTER the Church’s inquisition was over. This is often brought up against the Catholic Church but this was simply a secular crusade fighting for the unity of the nation and it lasted about 2 months. The Church had no involvement with the crusade and only later anti-Catholic writings attempt to argue this, with fabrications such as invented statements from papal legates.
the crusades were even against christians especially the 4th crusade
@@Engifarting456 This is just flat out false tho, none of the crusades were against Christians. Yes, in the fourth crusade especially, crusaders went after and killed Eastern Christians but these crusaders were going expressly against the pope and were excommunicated as a crusade, excommunicated before they even sieged Constantinople, so you can't say the crusade itself was ever against Christians when the objective and instructions of the crusade were never to go against Christians and were always forbidden from doing so. Saying "the crusades" rather than "some rogue crusaders acting against the instruction of the Church" is just misleading as if the Church were complicit, involved or told them to.
people underestimate how powerful Steven's misinformation and propaganda really is
When you grow up on shows like Homeland its very easy to start seeing Al Qaeda everywhere.And Crowder is just pandering to those ideas.While its not true that watching terror pop culture turns you into a bigot it does nurture latent fears that someone like Crowder then confirms.And sadly pop culture since 9/11 has exploited these fears to their fullest.Homeland is not even close to the most extreme example.
but hes not wrong. 10 minute video does force a generalization and even he does this
@@Kedabonius who told him to fit hundreds of years into 10 minutes?
@@deechonada his air time. he has limited time for his podcast which he then posts to youtube/livestreams. whereas if he was only livestreaming on yt hed have all the time to do as such, the podcast lists his specific time in which he also needs to talk about current events not drone on about history
@@Kedabonius I might be misunderstanding you here but... are you saying that Crowder isn't wrong? 'Cos... we just watched an hour long video explaining exactly why he's wrong.
And that, kids, is why I subscribed to three arrows.
@Bas Baas Edgy
@Bas Baas 6 arrows for you
@@smile-tl9in Wait, is this a subtle reference to Kemalism? I haven't been able to watch this full video, so IDK if Herr Iron mentioned it here.
@@trashrabbit69 not really i just said he needed a double dose of reason. What's kemalism ?
@@smile-tl9in What (was) the principle ideology of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the man who dismantled the Ottoman Empire in Turkey and set forth massive modernization and liberalization projects throughout the country. Including giving women the right to vote (in 1930s Eurasia no less!) and using state funds to further public primary and higher education. Yeah... he did a LOT of stuff. And most of it went down the shitter when Erdoofus became leader for life.
Edit: Forgot to mention that the "Six Arrows" of Kemalism refer to the six ideological pillars of his regime.
Your intro sounds like the intro to a Dark Soul Boss:
*Three Arrows, Mispronouncer of Words*
The Defiler ... of English Phonetics.
@@MensHominis 3 arrow's accent is always really nice to listen to
Dark Souls confirmed to be historically accurate
Are there stands in dark souls?
@@rolandmorales4504 -- yes it is. I just made the joke for the sake of it.
"Christians became more civilized."
*laughs in American History*
Laughs in European wars of religion
What’s so civilized about the genocide of millions for the benefits of a few?
@@henrymudgett2646 what?
@@MarillSweatshirt what about the Armenian Genocide!!??
If you are SJW and care about civillians who died in the siege of Jerusalem then why don't you condemn the killings of civillians during the fall of Constantinople? Why don't you talk of Armenian Genocide and Crucifixion of young Armenian girls done by Turks?? Why don't you talk about that too!? And Jerusalem had to be taken back because it was once part of Byzantine empire if you don't know the history let me tell you, Sasanians first attacked and took a part of Byzantine empire which included Jerusalem and this was before the Crusades happened and it had to be taken back from them, and thus Crusades happened! So it belonged to Christians first!
the moment he says its taught on campus and media its a dogwhistle
me every time crowder says 'they teach this in college': ....i don't think this man has ever been to college....
Someone should gather a college curriculum from what Crowder thinks they teach, just to see how that ends up looking.
Because he hasn't. He went from highschool straight into being a "comedian" and Fox News hack.
@@nixonesport1998 did you mean to post this as a comment to the video? I am asking because it doesn't really make sense in respect to the original comment or any other reply. So I was wondering.
@@willowarkan2263 Fixed it. I was referring to the jizyah, the tax Muslims made non Muslims pay after they took their country. This video is full of misinformation
@@psychic_beth I mean if they did they would sound even more incoherent. Going from low key conspiracy theorising to full blown paranoid talk, just short of claiming Jews are reading their minds.
Can we please start referring to Molyneux as Stephan The Hermit
This is so fucking underrated
LOL
What about Stefan Mule-nuts?
@@Wazzup365 Also underrated comment.
@Scott Conner must be why his pseudohistorical treatise on the 'fall' of Rome is still up in an unrevised form despite the litany of factual errors in his analysis.
all that "muslim invasion" talk in Crowder's argument is exactly what Rome did right before them and what Britain and Gaul did after them
"Crowder takes ten seconds to make a claim that is gibberish, while it takes several minutes to refute it," or words to that effect.
The essential problem of our time.
It's called "gish gallop", at least when it's done in a formal debate with limited time for both participants. Usually then it refers to bringing up many arguments of various validity quickly in a row and then leaving the opponent with nit nearly enough time to refute more then a few of them in their time.
I hate that btw 😅
Brandolinis law
Why do people refer to the Crusades as if they were all the same and immediately followed each other. They transpired over the course of centuries and each had different motives and reasons.
Because it's easier and people are lazy
Because it’s easier to only talk about the one that could arguably be considered like a defense against the Seljuk Turks and act as if all the crusades were systematically about "Christians killing Muslims in self-defense".
To talk about the crusades separately would need nuance, and Crowder can’t do this because it would destroy his manichaean view of history.
Well, for Cenk (Which this original video was directed at) it is to say Western countries are aggressive brown people killers and should feel bad about it.
@@azchris1979 So it's to try to add the crusades to the many times through history countries in the West actually acted like that
@@azchris1979 I actually agree with the intervention in Kuwait, afterall Iraq just invaded them without any reasonable justification. But the rest of your examples you're correct, I'm against the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, the intervention in Syria by Russia and coalation, etc
But I wasn't talking about recent history, you know. I was refering to stuff like the Colonization of Africa, Asia and the Americas, the genocide of the natives of these places, the Slave trade, etc
It takes 10 second to lie 1000 times and several minutes to debunk these lies.. I felt it man! Your work is immense! Thanks
Vlavitir glutginskiya In the west muslim people are the victims. In North Africa and East Asia christians are the victims. What doesn't change is that all people that suffer are poor. This is the only distinction where we need to focus. But at the same time is of high importance to stop the lies of bigoted people as their only aim is to divide based on religion, race and other things of minor importance.
@@AnHeC You keep saying he's wrong but you never say how. Just admit that you have no argument but you don't like him contradicting your redpill bullshit worldview.
You know its Damn Serious when Shaun and Three Arrows have a very calm but angry tone of voice at the end of the video.
Is steven gonna talk about pagan massacare or they are not part of the western civillization because they were not christian.
Pagan massacre?
You mean the war europeans, danes, saxons and poles fought against pagans as a response to years of being raided by slavic pagans?
You were so happy about the dark ages/knights joke and I'm not gonna lie..
I was too.
That literally was more humorous than anything Chowder has ever come up with
@@alonsoarana5307 perhaps equal to Crowder himself...
lol,. the Vikings and Hungarians regularly "desecrated" Churches when they looted towns. And yet the public salivates at the mere mention of Vikings and know nothing about the Hungarian skirmishes.
I’d say the clear distinction is that both the Scandinavians and Hungarians eventually adopted Christianity and the tradition of raiding began to diminish over time. This is juxtaposed with the Barbary Coast rapings during the 17-18th century where the Barbary pirates under the Ottomans continued to raid the coastal towns of Southern Europe. Though one could argue that the former becoming Christian helped diminish the stain of barbarism in the eyes of a predominantly Christian West.
But the tombs themselves where damaged not just the stealing of golden crosses ect
@@connormccormack7953 I don't know if I agree with that. Christianization MAY have played a factor in convincing Scandinavians not to raid the coast, but I've heard it proposed that a bigger contributing factor was the continentals building up their defenses and relocating monasteries away from the coastlines until raiding became too tough to be profitable.
For the record, the Barbary pirates _also_ had to curb their piratical activity after the formation of the American Coast Guard took a lot of the potential profit out of pillaging.
Andras can you hear them? The winged Hussars are coming!
I can't speak for the whole of Christendom, but in my part of the woods, during the numerous wars between Scotland and England - both Christian countries from the early middle age period onward at least, churches and religious institutions were regularly pillaged and destroyed by both sides. See for example Melrose Abbey in the Scottish Borders: Pillaged and burned by Edward II in 1322, burnt by Richard II in 1385. Lindisfarne had to be fortified against Scottish raiding etc...Then we have the protestant reformation, starting with the dissolution of the monasteries (cash grab by Henry VIII and other unscrupulous nobility) and vandalism and destruction caused by all sides of churches in the Wars of the three Kingdoms in the 17th Century.
I am sure others in Western Europe have similar histories of desecration of religious houses and buildings that occurred in wars and other movements between solely Christian powers.
I'm just now finding your videos, so I recognize that I'm super late to the party on this one. That being said, I'm on my 4th video now and I'm just blown away.
As an American who has never traveled overseas (involuntarily), learning about European history often feels like something purely academic. Like we're hearing about it from without. I can tell you about the cities of Bastogne or Berlin, but I've never smelled them, heard their sounds, or felt their souls. I'm a writer, and I am a firm believer of the old school, "write what you know" philosophy, so having these little bits of information, like the scarcity of can openers in East Germany, or the violence and toxicity of the Wiemar era, is invaluable for me when it comes to inspiration, and your commentary is thorough, insightful and fascinating. Well done, my friend.
Me: "No rational person would assume that they were literally wading through blood as high as their knees"
Also me: "....oh we are talking about Crowder...that explains it"
But seriously battles up to lhe 20th century were extremely bloody because GUESS WHAT melee fights with swords draw a lot of blood, so it might really have looked like there was blood everywhere.
I gotta hand it to you, that did not feel like an hour long, and I was certain I was going to need to pause it and take a break. Very interesting and well paced. I'll definitely need to watch again to make sure I got everything, but the length did not hurt at all.
Also, the part with the map of all Muslim battles. 🙄 Every time I think I've seen peak levels of fact manipulation from these people, they up the ante. Just wow.
I was actually giving a lecture about the Crusades as a general subject the other day. It's an incredibly difficult subject to cover due to how much background information one needs in the political situations in the middle east, eastern Europe, and western Europe. I find that very few people actually try to approach the subject with the nuance it deserves.
Yes it is and requires a lot of patience as most people cannot contextualize how different the middle ages were to their own lives and the modern political landscape.
Assalmu Alaykum (peace be upon you).... thank you for honesty.
I regularly visit parts of Europe (I am European) - Southern Italy, Spain, Bulgaria - where there are some amazingly beautiful mosques and Islamic architecture dating back centuries. If there was so much animosity towards Islam why have these building stood for so long? It sort of indicates, cooperation and assimilation.
Your a fool
Indeed. On the assimilation part, not the cooperation.
You convert muslims to christendom and so you get more serfs to pay more taxes and thickly populated cities to pay *more* taxes. It's better.
@@leighjordine4031 Stop crying.
Uhhh no. Those were forcibly built by them. That doesn’t indicate anything at all. They were occupied for centuries. Of course I’m Muslim architecture was bound to be built. There’s a reason why Vlad the impaler was one of the most feared and powerful men of all time. He CHALLENGED them.
@@freckleheckler6311 wth are you saying? spain wasnt occupied or "forced" to build mosques lol, spain was conquered by the islamic empire, a lot of them converted, and they practiced islam for hundreds of years before christians defeated the muslim emirates and massacred the muslims in the genocide of granada or forced the surviving ones to stop practicing anything other than christianity. Many famous islamic theologians like ibn rushd were spanish andalusians, spain has a very rich islamic history. And Bulgarian muslims still exist in the millions today.
"Actually, technically speaking, it would be impossible for the blood to be up to their knees."
Rational thinking at its finest...
Over exagerating at its finest
Steven Crowder is a pseudo intellectual. Change my mind.
I think Peterson is a pseudo intellectual. In my opinion, Crowder is an anti-intellectual.
As is Jordan " Make it like the Lobster, be an Evil Monster" Peterson.
okay I will.
pseudo imply "somewhat similar to"
Psuedo intellectual is way too generous. Propagandist would be more accurate
@@jakubmike5657 You might want to look up the definition of 'pseudo', as it doesn't mean (at least to most people) what you think it does.
The Viking conquest of Normandy and England was a response to Frankish massacres of Germanic pagans.
Kinda true, but still a silly excuse.
Are you seriously claiming that romans were franks?
@@ishitrealbad3039 I believe he is referring to the Saxon Wars. They were Franks.
Catholics be like: " they looted my sainterinoos in Rome!"
Orthodox Greeks in Constantinople watching helplessly as all the +thousand year old hellenistic and religious monuments, works of art and relics are casually looted and melted down by Catholic Crusaders: 😐
Its really hard to understate how much of a crime to humanity the Catholic sack of Constantinople was, there is a harrowing and melancholy account by a man who was there and he describes all the amazing works of art that was melted down by the Crusaders for gold.
I think trying to morally judge any medieval empire, christian or Muslim is a waste of time.
They where all awful. There I did it.
Robola Gaming I mean....your not wrong....but where would the fun be in that (hint hint...sarcasm)
Awful by your modern conceptualization. You're argument is lacking in merit sir as there is a distribution to that 'awfulness' that can be argued over. EG. Was Athens or Sparta better? Or how about, Moorish Spain or Christian Spain?
Now you may not like such arguments but they are entirely valid thanks to spectrums and distributions meaning we can interpret 'progress' in one civilization as being better than another. Although I will say that morality not being universal means it is dumb to moralise such things and especially centuries later.
Another example, The British Empire having an Industrial revolution as it was decent enough to outlaw slavery which in turn makes labour more valuable so people find work arounds to hiring EG water wheel power whereas the Romans never did outlaw slavery ergo they never got past a metal age even though they easily could have thanks to everyone just using everyone else as pack mules and such like. Same goes for the even more intelligent Ancient Greeks.
So sorry, you really didn't do it.
@@KingOhmni first of all ancient greece and rome wheren't medieval but lets out that aside for the sake of argument. Yes they where still awful by modern standards. They had really barbaric practices.
Arguing over which empire was worse is kinda like arguing about which deadly poison is worse. They all kill you, so lets not mess with any of them.
Also if you're gonna write an essay in response please feel free to use paragraphs I have really hard time with huge blocks of text thanks.
@@96robola Yeah cos that was an essay. Lol! Way to be condescending to someone with dyspraxia by the way and you missed my point it appears. It is entirely possibly to compare empires/nations and even cultures unless of course one believes in post modernist nonsense like cultural relativism. Just because some think it unpalatable does not mean it cannot be done.
Good day.
Facts !
I do love this relentless fact-checking channel. Great job!
I have heard that Steven Crowder is a comedian, but I have never heard him say anything funny.
At least not intentionally.
@Artoria Pendragon Sure, but its weird to have such a person trying to pass themselves off as a comedian.
@Artoria Pendragon What does Crowder not being woke or progressive have to do with him being incapable of formulating a joke?
@Artoria Pendragon Yet such people regularly manage to put jokes together. Frankie Boyle is one of my favorites, although most comedians would be included in one label or the other.
I do appreciate you letting me know you struggle grasping argumentation. Let me know if this is clear enough for you to understand: not being woke or progressive does not inherently make a person funny. Pointing out that Crowder is neither or these things and arguing that he's funny as a result is not even a logically valid claim, much less a sound claim.
Comedy is subjective
"Hopefully the next video won't be as long"
Me: No. More. Longer. I love your content and literally listen so intently. You have this amazing way of keeping my full attention through any length of video and explaining things in an accurate and concise way. There is no one else who I could listen to talk for an hour with out my mind wondering slightly. You are amazing, keep doing what you're doing and may youtube monetization be ever in your favour
“Were the Crusades Defensive?”
Oh my Lord, where the hell do these people come up with this stuff
Squim this is a real effort by the right to reinterpret the crusades. See the channel 'realcrusadeshistory' its full of bias dedicated to justifying the crusades.
I don’t think weaking the Byzantine/neo-Roman empire(the Christian center) to where Muslims Ottoman saw it as a easy picking is defending Christianity. I guess you said this the reason why friendly fire should be off.
Drugs. Drugs or being evil.
@Absolute Mad LadIslamists? Those were some raiders. Christians? You mean frankish lords? The battle had nothing to do with religion. Literally local lords stopping a raiding party.
The franks got along very well well with the iberian muslims, vassalizing many local lords and selling them a shitload of slaves.
Parker Hetzel his point is correct though, islamic/Christian rivalry wasn’t the key to the conflict
The only crusaders i like are the ones that pose and beat vampires
I agree.
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Jojo for life
“The violation of women of which it is more appalling to speak of than to remain silent”
Yep, Catholicism hasn’t changed
As a muslim I should conform that I was not told about the crusades or the kkk by my parents or my leaders .
Nor have I ever seen someone from my community use this to attack Cristians or christianity in any way. We never do that.
This is actually used to shut the mouths of those who say Islam is bad because of isis or al quida.
Islam is not bad because of ISIS and Al Qaeda.
It is bad because of Mohammed and Abu Bakr. And the Quran.
@@MrCmon113 can you please elaborate ?
Yo I love how this dude with the non-History PhD is out here referring to the idea of a Muslim Europe as the destruction of "Classical Civilization." That's how you know he has had very little history education, in most disciplines of history (in fact AFAIK in _all_ disciplines of history) "Classical Civilization" refers to the Ancient, pre-Christian West. Which was indeed destroyed...by the Christian Europeans who smashed up all the temples of Mithra and the other _Classical_ religions.
When I first learned about that I was like "Shit, that sounds like some ISIS crap right there."
Daniel John Kirby yeah, plus the stuff regarding the destruction of the library of Alexandria is devastating too. Tbf to the Muslim caliphates, at least they helped permeate classical Greco-Roman philosophy and ideals back to Western Europe in some way, combined with the Papal States post- Ostrogoths and the HRE.
Bit I liked:
"They tell you in college Christians TOOK Jerusalem. Took BACK, they should say!"
Right... so at what point did Christians control Jerusalem before 1099? If memory serves, it belonged to Jews, then the Fatimids took it in the 7th century, then the Seljuks conquered it (cue Crusade), then the Fatimids got it back one year before 1099... so when exactly did Christians have it in the first place? How'd they take it "back" unless they had it first?
@@travishimebaugh8381 Jewish rule over the region had been largely over by the second century A.D., having been crushed by the Romans in response to several Jewish revolts. You could argue that since the Byzantines inherited Jerusalem in the unraveling and division of the Roman Empire and they were mostly Christian from 400 A.D., it had indeed been "under Christian rule". It's rather reductive to refer to that period as such though, as Byzantine vs Frankish rule and Fatamid vs Abbasid rule etc. aren't fully the same. Claiming that the Latin Crusaders "retook" Jerusalem ignores that the Franks didn't really have a claim to the region prior to the region.
@@cohorsevocata Yes, you're quite right. I went back over some old notes yesterday. Evidently it has been a long time since I last studied this.
But I feel my underlying point still stands; if "Christians" have a right to take Jerusalem after nearly 500 years, Crowder had best vacate his house so some native Americans can move in.
The point still stands that none of those men's ancestors (franks, normans, swiss etc) have lived there. Nor was the christians living there members of the Latin church. So it most certainly was an occupation.
Right wingers actually believe Steven Crowder is a great historian
Not all of them do.
Mohammed Zakaria Right winger here.
We don’t, I promise you.
Although I do think a fair number of the mistakes that crowder makes are benign, not all of them are benign some are pretty ugly.
As somebody working toward a masters in history and eventually a PhD, I can say Crowder is guilty of a whole host of anachronistic characterizations, and he should not be taken seriously as a real historian.
However I guess I don’t see his work as intended to be one of high fidelity and specificity, meaning that the application of a modicum of (admittedly very absent) nuance would have made this section a fair bit more tolerable.
There is a point crowder is attempting to make that is sort of kind of accurate. He just fumbled it like most people who don’t have any experience or training in history and a political agenda.
Goofy Total war runs have better history then Steven crowder
@btf What about left wingers who are into Clinton or sympathize with Mussolini or with Karl Marx's ideas?
They also believe in talking snakes and that someone can be born from a virgin.
You're doing a godly service here, I can't imagine the amount of time you spent creating this. If only more people were open and receptive to the truth; I want to be a teacher, so maybe I'll be showing Three Arrows videos in the classroom one day. So incredibly informative, I thank you sir.
He is as radical as crowder and only citing expert opinion going his way. While Crowder is wrong to interpret the crusades as a global defensive phenomenon, Three Arrows is also wrong in framing it as "all was well in the wonderful Muslim empires". Both are crap
@@haroldfinch3411 Then enlighten me Harold.
@@CassiusColeman Crowder claims the crusades were called to stop savagery, and he is wrong. Three Arrows' claim is different in the way that he supports the argument, often seen among leftists, that the Muslims world was better than western Christendom, notably citing the treatment of eastern christians and Jews. Both fail, Crowder because he is obviously not a historian. Three Arrows fails because he is employing bad faith.
First, early medieval and medieval sources in general cannot be cited without context, otherwise you have to admit you are employing pure propaganda. Most witnesses who actually wrote something down did so for their lord or at least pushing the story or the facts to their limits. Three arrows cites medieval sources directly, which is not something a real historian would do without oposing a contradicting interpretation as to why the author would want those facts out.
Bad faith from Three Arrows: Tolerance from mulsim empires, not something you want to bring into a debate. Muslims were tolerant of christians and jews because they were initially the overwhelming majority of the population in the territories they conquered and annexed. From that point of view, the Kingdom of jerusalem, founded by the crusaders he describes as savages, was as tolerant and open minded as it was possible to be at the time. Therefore rendering his comparison null, because western europe was so overwhelmingly christian that it did not need to be tolerant in the first place.
who’s here after crowder was exposed as a domestic abuser
Everyone after said incident.
Genuinely terrifying that the Crowder video is the first history lesson for some people
Michael Chrisman and I stand with Catholics who believe that priests should not be held accountable for raping children and should rather just be moved to a different parish
Michael Chrisman did you even read the bible...
Michael Chrisman cool i am agnostic. Doesn't change the fact that religions are just as bad as they all make each other out to be...
Michael Chrisman in the famous words of trump: "wrong"
@Michael Chrisman and you should educate yourself and pick up a history book on amazon. lmao thats such an over-simplistic lens to look through that any 13 year old with any sense can see through that shit. So what about those Baltic Crusades? Or the Sack of Constantinople? The Age of Imperialism? Gold, Glory and God? Bruh neither Europeans or people from the Middle east are the constant good or bad guys of history. It all depends on the context and politics going on around that time. Like my dude even childrens stories have more complex villains than the scare you're trying to push here. Read a peer reviewed set of books over european and middle east history that might change your mind.
to quote the Blues Brothers "I hate Steven Crowder"
Jordan Rodriguez ~ Revs engine to run him over~
I hate Canadian Nazi sympathizers.
Good god this made my day.
@Heavy Metal Collector I'm pretty sure that was in every version. At least, I don't remember it not being in there.
@@DawnOfTheDead991 That's OK, we hate Nazis who can't spell.
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Since childhood i adored history. Many books did i read about the crusades. When i saw how Crowder tried to simplify long time periods while injecting his weird thoughts on it, i immediately realized what Scharlatan he is. Anyone who knows anything about history, knows that yes Islam was spread militarily, but at the same time the very lenient treatment of Christians by the muslims and there right to keep there religion was one of the main reasons why Islam flourished and expanded rapidly.
As a Turk we are toughed about how we enslaved people, how our economy depended on it and how it was a part of the Empire and its system. I don't know what the heck this dude it on about.
You're also taught to deny the Armenian genocide.
@@Benji567891 Yes indeed I do not believe it was a genocide
@@KilijHistoryKlcTarihi you're no better then steven crowder then.
@@Benji567891 Am I? That sucks am quit sure its a contested historical debate tho last time i checked. I dont even think most countries in the world see it as a genocide but eeh whatever right just slap the word genocide on it sure
@@Benji567891 The main issue when calling it a genocide is mainly that the supposed killings that happened against the Armenians happened mainly in the eastern provinces of the Empire. The Russian Empire and its Armenian militias that they armed occupied most East Anatolia. 1917 -1918 is when the Ottomans captured the Eastern provinces back and had to give up most of the land again during Sevr. The Union and progress committee lost its power during this era and most fled the country or helped with the indepence war. The conflict between the Armenians and Turks in these provinces is not really a genocide as both parties killed one another. The same happened during 1919 - 1922 with the Greeks, as it was conflict amongst ethnic groups. Killing ethnic Turks in Van, Bitlis, Malazgirt, Satak etc and of course the Turks didn't keep it clean either.
Crowder's existence is a constant crusade on good drag.
He is a waste of oxygen
To be honest, I thought my brain will stop, when Steven Crowder mentioned Ottomans and the Fall of Constantinople as reasons for the crusades XD
This is probably the best overtalk on the subject that you can find on RUclips, so big thumbs up for that and I look forward to checking out more of your work
I mean to his credit the threat to Constantinople did lead to the last couple Crusades (Nicopolis and Varna), but I think Steven Crowder was just being a lucky idiot