Christian Crusades was ordered by the Popes. It was all under the title of Christianity. But today you have the Roman Catholic Church and Christian Churches and then those who don't associate with either religions but has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as their savior and reads the bible and trusts Gods word but does not follow a churches interpretation. They only follow the bible itself as the leading authority of Gods word. Roman Empire was extremely evil and throughout history was responsible for killing millions of Christians. When the Roman Empire fell the Huge Vacuum hole that was left was filled immediately by the Roman Catholic Church. It went from Emperors to Popes. The Popes withheld scripture from the average person because they deemed no one else worthy or holy enough to interpret scripture This changed in the 1500s to when people were able to own bibles again. The Roman Catholic church put Tradition before scripture. Its the Paganized version of Christianity. Details: 1. No where in the bible does it teach to Deify Mary or Peter and to say prayers in their name. 2. The Pagan God Worshippers in the Roman Empire now converting to Christianity did not get rid of their Pagan Statues and just renamed them after Christian Figures. When The Second commandment clearly forbids this. Go to Rome or any big Catholic Church its filled with Statues of Mary and Peter and Jesus etc. Originally most the statues in Rome were once of Pagan Gods. 3. Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy. Roman Catholic Church Changed the Sabbath From Saturday to Sunday to Worship the Sun God Helios or Apollo. 4. Roman Catholic Church Changed Baptism from full submersion under water as a adult making a Conscious choice to live for Christ. To sprinkling water over the head of babies. 5. Changed Communion, and Ceremony's. 6. They Teach Works is how to enter Heaven. Even though Jesus taught only Faith in him is the way to the father you cant be a Good person and enter the kingdom of Heaven. 7. They have you pray to Priests instead of praying and having a personal relationship with Jesus yourself. That only higher ups may speak with God. Read Revelations the Prostitute riding the beast of Babylon (Rome) is the Roman Catholic Church who deceives many! She is adorned in precious Jewels and Gold wearing Scarlet and Purple (Roman Catholic colors of Cardinals, and Bishops) and she was drunk on the blood of the Martyrs for Christ. (Remember its history of Roman Empire in Context) Holding that Golden Cup. Well what is the Most wealthiest religious institute in the world if not Roman Catholic Church? With all of their Gold and Jewels and that Golden Cup! NERO is apart of Roman Catholic History. He was a Roman Emperor and died right before John would have wrote Revelations. It says the Beast with SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS!! The Seven heads represent 7 Hills or Mountains on which the Woman Sits. The Woman Represents a Church and Rome is the City of Seven Hills! Look it up. The expression as well, all roads lead to Rome. and if you look at sky shots of Rome its a big snake. Vatican in Latin means Divine Serpent.... Many Popes throughout history claim to have the power and authority of Jesus in their flesh. This is very VERY likely where the Anti Christ will Emerge from. Conspiracy is the Popes have been running the Human trafficking crap forever and that's why it often has priests associated with Pedophilia.
@@CME215 I’m a lifelong Protestant in RCIA to become Catholic. I have thoroughly researched this topic over the last three years. I am not looking to debate you but many of your claims show you aren’t familiar with the basic argumentation for the Catholic position. Ironically, I think much of the conspiracy stuff is true. I don’t doubt that many cardinals and possibly even popes have either turned a blind eye toward or enabled the abuse of children on a level likely not seen outside of government operations. That is an excellent proof of the evil of humanity and the failure of any institution with human leadership. However, it is not an argument proving the Church teaches heresy which is the Catholic claim. God bless you.
@@imjustheretogrill4794 God bless you too! I am just going to copy and paste you one long comment I sent to someone else. So the context of my writing isn’t fitted to you in regards to us having previous conversation. But go ahead and read this and go over it with your Bible too. And tell me your thoughts. Back to Revelations. You said you agreed with some of the first stuff mentioned I remember. Here is what I am pointing to through this. The Dragon waiting to devour the child as soon as he was Born is Satan and is Satan working through the Power of the Roman Empire. (King Herod, Massacre of Innocents) Because King Herod was bestowed the title King of the Jews. The Child is Jesus. We agree? The Woman it describes clothed with the Sun and Moon beneath her feet and garland of twelve stars. We agree this is a church also representing Gods people? So its the early Christianity/Catholicism that gets persecuted by the Roman Empire (The Dragon, Satan) Agree? "Then being with child, she cried out in labor and pain to give birth.." "And the Dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth. To devour her child as soon as it was born." Revelation 12:13 "When the Dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who gave birth to the male child." Revelation 12:5 "And Her child was caught up to God and his Throne." Harlot/Prostitutes Church: But who is the Second Woman we later see? Its another Church right? Revelation 17:3 "And I saw a Woman sitting on a Scarlet beast which was full of names of Blasphemy. Having Seven Heads and Ten horns. The Woman was clothed in Purple and Scarlet and adorned with Gold and precious Jewels and Stones. Having in her hand a golden cup filled with abominations and the filthiness' of her fornication. And on her forehead a name was written Mystery Babylon, the Great. The mother of Harlots and the abominations of the earth. I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the Saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus and when I saw her I marveled with great amazement" This Woman Sits on many Waters which means peoples, Multitudes, Nations, Tongues as the Angel explains. And the Woman rides the Same Dragon with Seven Heads and Ten Horns waiting to devour the child as soon as it was Born. So whoever this new Woman/Church is, its riding the same Dragon that was the Roman Empire before and it was just the Dragon alone earlier. No woman/Church was sitting upon it at first. Remember John is writing this sometime in 90AD and the Woman/Church wouldn't rise until later. Seven Heads meaning: The Angel explained the Seven Heads represent 7 Hills or Mountains on which the Woman Sits. (Google Rome the City of Seven Hills) Its the only Major city that's on top of Seven Hills that was the Roman Empire and is the Roman Catholic Church today. The only place a Major Church Sits. All roads lead to Rome. This sounds like that Densely populated area. Nations, Multitudes, Tongues. The Ten Horns: So when the Western Roman Empire fell in 476AD. It fragmented into 10 Primary Kings/ Kingdoms. 1. Franks 2. Alamani 3. Visigoths 4. Suebi 5. Saxons 6. Lombards 7. Burgundians 8. Ostrogoths 9. Heruli 10. Vandals The Angel explains that the Ten Horns represent Ten Kings who have not yet risen to power. Remember to keep time in Context. John is writing this sometime in 90AD where as the Roman Empire wouldn't fall until 476AD and that's when those 10 Kingdoms would fragment. The Colors and Clothing and wealth: So not only does this Dragon represent Roman Empire and the 7 hills which Rome Sits but it also represents the 10 kingdoms it split into with the Ten Horns explained by the Angel as well. And the Woman is Clothed with Scarlet and Purple which is the Official color of Roman Bishops and Cardinals. So the Roman Catholic has the very same colors of the Harlot Woman too. It says she is Adorned in Gold and Precious Jewels and stones and Pearls. The Vatican is the wealthiest independent self governing religious institute in the world. Vatican has tons of wealth and Gold and Jewels. And the Pope drinks from a Big Golden Cup you can find Videos and pictures all over of him holding it. John sees the Woman holding a Golden cup. (Google Vatican in Latin. Divinely Serpent.) Also look at sky shot pictures of Vatican City snake and inside the snake Council room. Its all a big snake design. Drunk off the Saints and Martyrs for Jesus: It says she was Drunk off the Saints and Martyrs for Jesus. Lets analyze that again. The Roman Empire persecuted Christians and even with the Roman Catholic church it was still the largest Persecuting Power as a church. The Roman Catholic Church has the Blood of Jesus Martyrs on its hands. So referring to this Woman/Church Drunk on the blood of the Saints and the Martyrs for Jesus. Again very much implies the Roman Catholic Church. I am saying the early Christian/Catholic church was good. And when the Churches began in Rome and Catholicism was growing that's around the time I think the leaders would become a bit corrupted and the Roman Catholic Church started to change. Putting Traditions in front of Scripture. So yea there was many issues with Christian reformers I am aware of. But they saw the corruption in the Popes and leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. They went back to the Bible itself. You call them like privately studying scripture as in they had no good understanding of anything outside the Popes or priests. But I don't think that's true. Either way these men still believed Gods word and Prayed and believed in Jesus. They were our Brothers and Sisters in Christ still, but because they defied the Pope's they were killed in horrible ways. So when it says this Woman/Church is a persecuting power and drunk off the Blood of the Saints and Martyrs for Jesus right there is clear indication of that. Are the Pope's 100% righteous and the Vicar of Christ? If they have the Blood of Millions of Martyrs for Jesus on their hands? Think about that for a bit.
@@imjustheretogrill4794 if you ever have time you’ll really enjoy this video. Check out on RUclips. Revelation: The Bride, The Beast & Babylon. It’s 1 hour and 34 minutes. It officially starts 4:15 in. It goes over what I am talking about at 50:50 into the video in regards to Harlot sitting on the dragon with seven heads and ten horns. It goes over the history of Christianity and Roman Catholic Church. It’s a very well made video with images, videos, music, good narrating. Constant Bible reference. And multiple sources of study to make these findings. Check it out! Edit I also mean no disrespect to anyone. This isn't me questioning the sincerity of any specific Pope or Priest this is a bigger battle for Truth. So I am not saying every local Catholic church in America is something corrupt I am talking about the overall Vatican Roman Catholic Church. And the layered traditions put before Scripture. I am not questioning my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are Catholic. I am a Christian who like the Reformers showed the Popes have often Errored and Contradicted themselves. And in the history of this church it has lots of Blood on its hands. To me The Bible, Gods word, The Ten Commandments, Jesus teaching. That's the ultimate authority. Not the Pope.
@@CME215 man… the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to hold your position is absolutely astronomical. You really need to be more honest with your analysis and you’ll find none of it adds up.
Long time follower of Steven Roberts. His work shows that despite the excesses of the Crusades by huge armies progressing towards a Jerusalem, compared to that time, we are in an age of very little faith.
I hope that Ten Minute Bible Hour sees this.... they had a recent talk between an evangelical and a catholic theologian on this topic - but it began with the bias of the Church being historically violent. I appreciate a perspective from the other side.
Very violent indeed. (sarcasm intended). The Church was started by a person who volunteered to receive most horrible torture and violent death. Followed by the guys who prefer martyrdom to violence.
@@thebacons5943, First of all, Islam is not a race. But on the topic, since I never claimed that the Crusades stopped the spread of Islam, I failed to see anything ahistorical.
Thank you Mr. Holdsworth, for this informative discussion between yourself and Mr. Roberts - really enjoyed it. To add a few more titles to Mr. Robert's excellent recommendations for helpful books on this subject: 1."The Crusades A Short History" by Jonathan Riley-Smith 2. "The Later Crusades From Lyons to Alcazar (1274-1580) by Norman Housley 3. "The Dream and the Tomb" by Robert Payne 4. "Why Does the Heathen Rage" by J. Stephen Roberts (novel) God bless you and both of you keep up the good work! :)
The general misinformation is so bad that even my priest said in a homily that the Catholic Church was wrong to try and conquer the world through the crusades
there's no excuse for an religious educated person to believe the lie. I grew up thinking we have to apologize for the crusades... until I found out it was more of a defensive act
Gameologin ! Your Priest shouldn’t pass Judgment on Catholics. Have you ever herd A FAMILY THAT PRAYS TOGETHER STAYS TOGETHER. Evil will spread everywhere, which is why it’s So The Catholic Church was hit most heavy. The first church of Christ was Roman Catholic… EXAMPLE! Ok so if you want GELATO, DO YOU GO TO 31 FLAVORS ???…
@@butterflybeatles - I think what the author meant (I can’t remember who said it) is that our approach to history is dominated by our contemporary preoccupations along with a tendency to see the past in our own terms. There’s another famous quotation: “The past is a foreign country - they do things differently there” - the opening to Hartley’s novel, “The Go-Between”. The trick is to see the past on its own terms rather than trying to hijack it with our own agendas.
Also contemporary people like to perpetuate their own self aggrandizement as the most self-righteous people to ever exist by tearing down and condemning people from the past.
Why are contemporary Americans politicians so condemnatory of the US involvement in the Vietnam War? Why do the French regret trying to fight everybody from Algeria to Vietnam to keep their colonial empire and prevent independence by the natives? Maybe because it was a waste of lives and resources that accomplished very little?
I listened to a 24 hour long audio book about the history of the crusades and learned the single most important thing you need to know about them: IT'S COMPLICATED.
when the Kings ( all ruling Princes) no longer lead their own armies in person on the battlefield , was the beginning of their destruction unfortunately. *DIEU LE ROI*
Which Crusades? The one into Holy Land? Then i guess i could (mostly) agree but do not forget that we are talking Northern Crusades, Slavic Crusade. Then (mostly) disagree.
@@grzegorzkuczek5742 Yeah, the Teutonic Order back in the day became corrupt after they realized the immense power they held. Their goal switched from Christianization of pagans to creating their own state. After a large portion of them become Protestants, they also started to identify too much with the "Teutonic" part, which eventually was used by German nationalists to claim that Poland is "rightfully" German. At least they left us some impressive buildigs. The Marienburg is the most impressive castle I have ever seen with my own eyes. Also, the Teutonic Order still exists and today it's devoutly Catholic again.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 "Become corrupt after? Maybe They already were corrupted already when they started this crusade? It not like they treated conquered Prussian with Christian mercy. Basically even J. Stephen Roberts admits at his channel that Teutonic Order all but exterminated local population. Once You murder vast majority of people You were supposed to convert I am sorry but I will question were You that keen to converted them in the first place. I am kind of incline to think that at foremost Order coveted to grab local lands and grow in power. Sure there were some preaching of gospel involved but at best it took secondary place. At worst it was a total fig leaf to cover brutal expansion. Please compare Order action with the action of St. Cyril and Methodius St. Wojciech (St. Adalbert of Prague), St. Jadwiga Andegawenska (St. Jadwiga of Poland) and suddenly it is clear that You did not have to murder Pagans to convert them. Respectfully.
@@grzegorzkuczek5742 Why do you single out the Teutonic Knights? I'll agree that their history isn't all roses and sunshine, but neither is the history of any medieval power. None of Poland's various secular rulers were boy scouts either. And the Teutonic Knights often behaved better than their various Prussian tribal opponents. The Teutonic Knights could behave brutally, but they could also behave benevolently, and many Prussians lived well and even prospered under them. Teutonic rule often looks better in hindsight to the endless slave raids and human trafficking of the various Prussian tribal chieftains.
To be honest from the perspective of medieval Western Europe, the Empire of Constantinople had little legitimacy as the successor of that Roman Empire which ruled over them, if that makes sense. The Carolingian and Ottonian imperial coronations were more a restoration than usurpation, in so far as it is relevant to those Western Christian peoples. The Greeks could call themselves Romans all they want, so did the 'Kings of Germany'.
@@Epicrandomness1111 I did say "the Eastern half", and it was in direct continuity with the Eastern Roman Empire, not the Western Roman Empire (they were both the Roman Empire).
That’s right, “at first”. Because Rome was virtually abandoned at times and the emperor in Constantinople gave up defending Rome, and that’s where Charlemagne comes in.
@@mikelopez8564 That is not why I said "at first". Rome was not the capital of the Western Empire, so it is irrelevant whether or not it was lost or not. I said "at first", because of the sack of Constantinople in 1204, and there was a small interruption in its continuity. I am not saying that there was not continuity after, it is generally recognized that the Byzantine Empire fell in 1453, but I said what I did because some people might argue otherwise.
@@Epicrandomness1111 Nah. The ERE was the Roman empire. Same political system, identity, institutions, Capital, culture (Greek culture was hugely influential in the Roman empire even during the days of Trajan), borders (to a degree) etc... The Roman Empire simply changed a little bit. I mean, what can you expect from an empire lasting more than a thousand years?
I’m evangelical but this is so refreshing to see and hear. So far 12 minutes in and the host is saying some Biblical and logical stuff about mood vs truth. Great stuff so far
Awesome talk, it's awesome to have J Stephen Roberts on the channel his work is amazing. I'm Portuguese and not too long ago I travelled to the south almost every church in the south is from the time of the Reconquista, there are even very few streets with Moorish names.
Thanks so much for this interview. I am mostly an armature historian (though passionate about it), but it always annoys me that modern takes on history always weight the events of the past according to modern worldviews and policies. Having some of the broader background of the Crusades laid out like this was really exciting. I'm looking forward so the show!
Christian Crusades was ordered by the Popes. It was all under the title of Christianity. But today you have the Roman Catholic Church and Christian Churches and then those who don't associate with either religions but has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as their savior and reads the bible and trusts Gods word but does not follow a churches interpretation. They only follow the bible itself as the leading authority of Gods word. Roman Empire was extremely evil and throughout history was responsible for killing millions of Christians. When the Roman Empire fell the Huge Vacuum hole that was left was filled immediately by the Roman Catholic Church. It went from Emperors to Popes. The Popes withheld scripture from the average person because they deemed no one else worthy or holy enough to interpret scripture This changed in the 1500s to when people were able to own bibles again. The Roman Catholic church put Tradition before scripture. Its the Paganized version of Christianity. Details: 1. No where in the bible does it teach to Deify Mary or Peter and to say prayers in their name. 2. The Pagan God Worshippers in the Roman Empire now converting to Christianity did not get rid of their Pagan Statues and just renamed them after Christian Figures. When The Second commandment clearly forbids this. Go to Rome or any big Catholic Church its filled with Statues of Mary and Peter and Jesus etc. Originally most the statues in Rome were once of Pagan Gods. 3. Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy. Roman Catholic Church Changed the Sabbath From Saturday to Sunday to Worship the Sun God Helios or Apollo. 4. Roman Catholic Church Changed Baptism from full submersion under water as a adult making a Conscious choice to live for Christ. To sprinkling water over the head of babies. 5. Changed Communion, and Ceremony's. 6. They Teach Works is how to enter Heaven. Even though Jesus taught only Faith in him is the way to the father you cant be a Good person and enter the kingdom of Heaven. 7. They have you pray to Priests instead of praying and having a personal relationship with Jesus yourself. That only higher ups may speak with God. Read Revelations the Prostitute riding the beast of Babylon (Rome) is the Roman Catholic Church who deceives many! She is adorned in precious Jewels and Gold wearing Scarlet and Purple (Roman Catholic colors of Cardinals, and Bishops) and she was drunk on the blood of the Martyrs for Christ. (Remember its history of Roman Empire in Context) Holding that Golden Cup. Well what is the Most wealthiest religious institute in the world if not Roman Catholic Church? With all of their Gold and Jewels and that Golden Cup! NERO is apart of Roman Catholic History. He was a Roman Emperor and died right before John would have wrote Revelations. It says the Beast with SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS!! The Seven heads represent 7 Hills or Mountains on which the Woman Sits. The Woman Represents a Church and Rome is the City of Seven Hills! Look it up. The expression as well, all roads lead to Rome. and if you look at sky shots of Rome its a big snake. Vatican in Latin means Divine Serpent.... Many Popes throughout history claim to have the power and authority of Jesus in their flesh. This is very VERY likely where the Anti Christ will Emerge from. Conspiracy is the Popes have been running the Human trafficking crap forever and that's why it often has priests associated with Pedophilia.
@@CME215 I see you in a lot of comments promoting the same thing over and over again. Full of easy to find inaccuracies in both history and theology. Your first point for example is already wrong. When Western Roman Empire fell there wasn’t a power vacuum the church filled. 1. It couldn’t it had no troops or authority over pagan barbarians. 2. It was already filled from the Franks,Goths, Saxons who invaded and Byzantines(Romans) that still existed. That’s just the first historical inaccuracy you have. Then Saying the Popes withheld scripture which they didn’t. I could go on and on refuting each point but I won’t. I think you got most of the misinformation from a video you keep promoting. So I don’t blame you actually the opposite continue to search for the truth just next time look into the credentials of the video then look and see where their history information comes from. God Bless and keep asking questions.
@@artoriuscasca424 Yes I did send this to a few other people. I was looking for good discussion and debates on this stuff which I have received. Stating Power vacuum is just a play with words hardly something you can point out as being wrong. It simply implies that the exact same time the Roman Empire was falling the Church in Rome was gaining strength. Yes it was split into the Ten Horns or Ten Kingdoms it states in revelations. Saxons, Lombards, Franks, Goths, Etc. You can look up historically the Popes declared only priests and higher ups were the only ones qualified to read scriptures. There was no printing presses obviously and no average person could read or learn scripture. Around in the 1200s to 1600s there would be numerous Christian reformers who would point out the Contradictions of the Popes in comparison to the very bible they Teach. Most of these men were persecuted and excommunicated and killed for Heresy. Who defines they were heretics? Did the Roman Catholic Churches religious power condemn them? Or can you find in the Bible and Gods word and Jesus Teachings and prove these men were guilty Heretics. Those Christian reformers believed in Jesus Christ as their lord and Savior and were baptized men who prayed and spread Gods word. They spoke up about the traditions they saw Popes and religious leaders doing that was not biblical. God bless you too! I am not anti Catholic or promoting that. Just anti Papal Supremacy and think these Popes and religious leaders are corrupted.
@@CME215 It's good to ask questions and debate. That helps one learn things. Ah, I also see what ya mean now. Yes, the Tribes definitely moved quickly to fill the vacuum especially the Saxons and Franks. But to answer your question no. There has never been a Catholic Pope or Bishop to ban the Bible for people to read. We must take into account that in the middle ages all books were copied by hand so they were very limited. Scrolls and such were as precious as gold in some cases. On top of that many people were illiterate in their own language let alone Latin. (Like you said)That's where stain glass windows come in. These were used to educate people in the middle ages similar to how picture books are used to learn languages in our day. Now let's discuss the printing press and German protestants. Before Martin Luther's movement, the Bible was already translated 20 times in German in both high and low dialects. Even before the KJV of the Bible came into play The Douay-Rheims was made available in English. (I use these versions) But yes as we see the church never made the Bible unavailable it just took time for the people to catch up and be able to read it and for the Bible itself to be more readily available. If anything the Church tried its best with what it had by having things like the Crucifixion or Blessed Trinity and such in stain glass form so the populace can learn through pictures. As for people being excommunicated and killed yes the Church did excommunicate them but the Governments of those countries carried out the final executions. For example. While I can't name every Dutchy and micronation of Germany during the time of the Reformation Other than the big players. My family (on my dad's side) did originate from Bavaria (Catholic) and I know it was in staunch opposition to Saxony (Protestant) at the time of the thirty-year war. It was bloody and 60% of the Germans died at this time. Severely weakening the Holy Roman Empire. The Church itself played no part in it yet Catholics and Protestants took it upon themselves to fight each other. I won't deny there haven't been corruption in the church at times. But that is bound to happen I think the Japanese Imperial court is the only thing on earth that can compete as the oldest continue organization on earth. Hope this helps clear up things.
@@artoriuscasca424 My mistake and poor choice of words then. They did not Ban the Bible. You are correct most people were illiterate and scriptures were very precious. I am still making a point through that though when the Popes declared only they and priests where able to interpret scriptures and that the common man had no hope of understanding scripture without the help of Popes and Priests. And lets say they were correct about that. Still within that time period I think the Papal Supremacy would take advantage of this moment in time and become corrupt. So my point of corruption came in a time period where regular average people did not have access to scripture only the Pope did. And later on when people were studying the bible and all these Christian reformers went against the Catholic church for teaching unbiblical traditions. That's when the knowledge of the Papal Supremacy's Errors and Contradictions were exposed. And the Papal Supremacy had been fighting and persecuting those who rose against it. So if the Roman Catholic Church excommunicates someone by their Churches Religious Laws. Then the Government then carries out the execution by these laws. They weren't executed for just being excommunicated. They were executed for why they were excommunicated. That means the Roman Catholic Church had no part? Same example would apply with Jesus. Since it was the Roman Empire that Crucified Jesus that means the Jewish Pharisees had no part in that? Pilot said to Jesus I have the Authority to set you free or to have you Crucified. Jesus said "You have authority over me, only because it was given to you by God. So the men who handed me over to you, Is guilty of a worse sin."
You really should see EWTN's fantastic four episode series on the Crusades. Absolutely orthodox and true to the real history, with major Crusader scholars such as Profs. Madden, Phillips, and the late great Prof Jonathan Riley Smith. It is perhaps a bit History Channel like with re-enactments, but better.
Ones of my favourite youtubers together! 😀 What a treat!!!! Thank you both! ❤️ To Stephen, I've heard you talking about the so called "northern crusades" and I wish you could have a conversation with a Polish historian, for a different point of view. That would be very interesting, I think. Dr Bartosz Ćwir. 😉
Of course, what I said above is the only thing I take exception on with Dr. Roberts. He’s a brilliant student of history and thank God he’s speaking out on these ideas!
Great to see J. Stephen here. I remember watching your video about the crusades in which you recomanded Real Crusades History. I’ve been watching a lot of videos of him, which are very infromative and well made. I myself didn’t really know much about the crusades except the bad portrayel of it. I had a gut feeling the way the crusades were portrayed were not fair. His channels brought so much on my knowledge of the crusades. Great to see you both here.
This is where I can respect Catholics: they can look back upon Church history and realize that masculine Christianity is not evil, but good and just! What many people fail to realize is that the Crusades were a reaction to 450 years of continuous Islamic jihad. So when they were speaking about restoration as a reason for the Crusades, that could be applied to reconquest of: North Africa, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Cyprus, Asia Minor and the Balkans and all of Judea (reconquest for the Jews). So yeah, the Crusades were completely necessary against the islamofascist threat! So thank you for your work, Brian; this education has been sorely needed in our Western society for decades now.
You guys touched an interesting point about violence and such. In what I have found I have realized a great truth: that God is a God of mercy, yes, infinite mercy, but people often mistake mercy with permissiveness. God does forgive, but He does not look the other way when people DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE and do not want to be forgiven basically. This is why the Punishment will come, it will come after the Warning and the Miracle occur as stated by our Lady in Garabandal. This is no longer a "possibility" as some state leaving the topic in the air, this is becoming more and more a reality as time sees more horrible things, and worse affronts to God committed by man kind. This will have a punishment, people should not be mistaken about it.
Ever since thr movie Lion in Winter with Peter Otoole and katherine Hepburn. It was hinted at that Richard the lion heart was homosexual.Everything I read about Richard was he was a warrior. I nver read anything about what he did in his bed.
Very well thought out questions and astute answers given! A real joy to watch. Thank you both for working to correct false assumptions and expand the narrative on this still relevant topic!
The Crusades were what we now call an "international humanitarian military intervention" , exercising the what we now call the "responsibility to protect" .
8:00 I've seen many, many young people go through that phase of questioning what they've been taught precisely at those prepubescent years; I'm convinced it's biological. Nature makes us want to breakaway at that point: stop trusting completely your elders and search for your own identify. Faith suffers together with every other belief. In terms on believing in God as a Catholic, I think parents REALLY need to consider providing serious apologetics education during those years (10-15) to give meaning to their faith. I really wish there were a structured syllabus families could follow; probably for those who would study it to prepare for confirmation. Actually, it applies to every aspect of life and, interestingly, there is so much information in the Bible (specially in the old testament) that is great material for formation for life
12:14 "these people had something going on that we can't touch today" For sure! It's the trade-off from embracing modernism and the so called "enlightenment". The set of beliefs drilled into us since the French Revolution (many false, many unproven) have robed us from the truth provided by belief in the Almighty. Ideologies (mostly abstract) have distanced us from the natural laws 😞
The most visible mosaic in Hagia Sophia in the semi-apse of the Blessed Virgin Mary with the Christ child is now covered by a curtain during Friday prayers and at other times.
I asked J. Stephen Roberts years ago what his religion was in a comment and he jokingly said he was Muslim. Good to know he’s a member of the Church. I recently changed majors to history after four and a half years of being a Wildlife Biology Major. Stephen was one of the history RUclipsrs who convinced me this was my passion. I never went to the library to read about cells if I didn’t have to for a class, I poured over volumes of history and took out every book on the Byzantine Empire/Medieval Roman Empire. I know I’ve come home.
Any particular reason you chose Rome over Byzantium in the end? I'm a practicing Orthodox Christian, but am exploring the Catholic claims in order to test my faith. Figured I'd get your input while I'm at it. Cheers!
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 I was born and raised in the Catholic Church I simply never doubted it. I had a friend who was once Orthodox but became Catholics there are Eastern Catholic Churches that are extremely similar to the Orthodox Church in terms of rites, and traditions. Only major difference is they accept the authority of the Pope as head of the Church.
most of the slander came from the enlightenment thinkers on the 17th century not to mention the natural animosity the early protestant lay people to distinguish their "new" church and the "old" traditional church. As a person that comes from a part of the world that was overrun and occupied by arab and berber armies we are well aware of the true reasons for the formal and organized crusades as well as the organic local resistance that arose from the oppression and discrimination if the majority christian population by the elite arab overlords. Those early warriors and crusaders are a great source of historical pride.
Fascinated by the crusades and I have watched his youtube channel, but I missed the announcement about the crowd funded show. Thank you for getting word out.
I know this video was published some time ago but currently in Turkey the Ayasofya is an active mosque. However, it is still open to the public for tourists. I believe that the mosaics are covered during the Muslim prayers but I am not certain.
I had never heard of the Real Crusades channel until now, so I am really excited to check it out! Can I suggest a couple of other books on the Crusades? The Crusaders by Regine Pernoud and The Templars, Knights of Christ by the same author are some of my favorite reads on the subject though very French centric - not that that’s a bad thing, the author was simply a French medieval historian.
The only truly pan-European piece of literature I have ever read is Ariosto”s “Orlando Furioso” which is written against the background of the conflict between Christendom and Islam. Coming a close second is the “Gerusalemme Liberata” by Tasso which is, of course, about the First Crusade.
Even in 'non-violent' resistance, violence at the end is unavoidable given our fallen nature. The Lord understands that perfectly of course and that is why, for example, He arranged for a VIOLENT event in history (other than the Passion of Our Lord of course), the Battle of the Milvian Bridge where THOUSANDS were killed, including the enemy emperor, and GOD gave the victory to Constantine who legalized Christianity. IN HOC SIGNO VINCES! Then how about SAINT Joan of Arc, a WARRIOR who led Thousands of Soldiers in battle? There are countless other examples where the Lord has utilized violence to further His Glory and Kingdom in the world. There goes down the drain the 'Christians are supposed to be ONLY non-violent' argument of some folks out there. GOD BLESS THE HOLY CRUSADES! VIVA CRISTO REY!
At the time of Crusades the population of coastal Levant was still majority Christians. It wasn't a ..''crusade'' it was a war for liberation of christian lands that span from Spain to Jerusalem and Antioch.
Absolutely! After all, in Matthew 5:43-44 Jesus did tell Christians to their enemies and with those who persecute you, and Romans12:19 says, Beloved, avenge yourselves, leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, ', says the Lord". And remember Daniel 4:17 “‘The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is hascontrol of people.’ Plus, it took three and a half centuries but Augustine finally figured out a way for Christians wage war, so you've got that going for ya.
It is worth noting that the negative attitude most people have towards the crusades is not just due to historical ignorance. (Not that I deny most people are historically ignorant) The anti-Crusade bias has been written into history for the better part of 300 years. Much of our modern canon of history goes back to the enlightenment era and most of our commonly taught and commonly held notions about the middle ages in general, as well as the crusades in specific, are the result of enlightenment era historians who deliberately portrayed the middle ages as backwards and barbaric. Even the very name the "middle ages" is a dismissive term because it was based on seeing that era as simply the wasted time in between the golden age of classical antiquity and the modern age of the enlightenment. This propagandized of the 'Dark Ages' or 'the Middle Ages', which also tarred the Crusades, was propagated both by Protestant historians who were deliberately trying to smear Catholicism, and by secularist philosophers of the enlightenment who despised Christianity in general, but particularly Catholicism which they viewed as superstitious backwardness. So even if people have read history, this is likely the view they are going to get. Only fairly recently have historians began to recognize this bias and re-write medieval history in a more objective manner.
I feel like the west looks at the crusades as they do, imperialistic, legalistic, with conquest as the main reason for it, is because the western secular society for the most part is a direct succession of or even what became of the protestant revolt. One could even say the protestant revolt is still happening, it's just non-religious now, or even anti-religious, which is the logical conclusion of protestantism..and since protestants were so dead against the crusades and inquisition, among other things, it makes sense that modern western society still looks at it in the same way..Since, again, postmodern secularism branched out from the protestant revolt, or like i said, in a way, one could say it's still happening today..Catholicism created western civilization, and even gave us a lot of great modern ideas and ways of living, but protestantism destroyed it! +M+
William, Duke of Normandy, in 1066, apparently flew papal colours, making it a kind of crusade to restore England, British Church, to true allegiance to Rome. How did he get them?
What happened to the Anglo Saxon clergy, who apparently supported Constantinople? England has never recovered from having its land stolen from the people.
@Totus Tuus All the Eastern Orthodox had accepted the authority of the Pope at the Seventh Ecumenical Council. However, in the two centuries between then and the schism, the papacy began to evolve into a monarchical office. The schism was precipitated by measures requiring Greek parishes in southern Italy to conform to Latin practices. The events of 1054 were themselves canonically irregular (the Pope being dead at the time!), and only twelve years elapsed between then and the Conquest. Thus, there cannot have ben a great deal written in such a short period. Relations between Rome and the Anglo-Saxon hierarchy were poor in the years immediately before the Conquest. Most of them had been replaced within five years.
In 1051 Edward the Confessor exiled his most powerful noble, Earl Godwin and his sons. Edward appointed a Norman cleric, Robert of Jumièges as archbishop of Canterbury. In 1052 Godwin returned and was restored, archbishop Robert fled England. Godwin appointed Stigand, bishop of Winchester as archbishop of Canterbury, he remained bishop of Winchester. Because the lawful archbishop of Canterbury had been deposed without consulting the Pope, and Stigand was holding two sees in plurality, St Leo IX refused Stigand the pallium, so Stigand was not recognised by Rome as archbishop of Canterbury, this continued until 1066. William promised to depose Stigand, so the Pope sent a banner to William.
@@patrickhows1482 And the English have been paying the price ever since. William turned the Sovereign from land holder to land owner and divided up among his supporters, in exchange for military and other services. Then the nobles sloughed off their duties and kept the land, evicting the previous occupants, a process that was not completed until WW1 They hang the man and flog the woman Who steals the goose from off the common Yet let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose The law demands that we atone When we take things we do not own But leaves the lords and ladies fine Who take things that are yours and mine The poor and wretched don't escape If they conspire the law to break This must be so but they endure Those who conspire to make the law The law locks up the man or woman Who steals the goose from off the common And geese will still a common lack Till they go and steal it back
@@physiocrat7143 Yes, the Norman Conquest was a disaster. The Old English state was the best organised state in Western Europe. If Harold had won at Hastings, his power and prestige would have been immense, he would have defeated the two the leading warrior rulers in Western Europe and his own lands would have become the crown's.
There have been 1763 conflicts in history, that meet the requirements to be classified as war. Of those, 128 began as religious wars. Out of that 128, Muslims started 66 of them. This information was current as of 2004. It means that more religious wars were started in the name of Islam, than ALL other religions combined, in recorded history.
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I enjoyed listening to this, but was slightly disappointed (because I am such a picky guy) that in discussing the Crusades, the struggles in the Mediterranean Sea and the really big crusading battles both in places like Rhodes and Malta, and the big ones on the Balkans and in Hungary were not even mentioned. I suppose this reflects the English-language literature, but with new publications out, there is not excuse anymore!
They only had so much time, though. But to your point, at least mentioning those campaigns when they mentioned the other theatres such as Spain and the Baltic would’ve been great.
Allan Ruhl (your fellow countryman) has also done a lot of great work in relation to the crusades. and also Stephan Molyneux (regardless of your thoughts on the man himself)
Great interview. It was not a colony building money grab. A Google of priests and holy men also went. Also aesthetically, Jerusalem was rugged looking... due to climate and trends for the most part was a big, but shabby and dirty, crowded city. There would have been weeds growing everywhere, stray dogs, cats, beggar kids.
The fourth crusade was a disaster the Byzantine Empire never fully recovered from. The crusaders decided to take a detour to Constantinople, one of the richest cities on earth at the time, to plunder it and install a Latin patriarch.
John, it was indeed a sad chapter in history, but our orthodox brothers in Christ tend to forget about the Massacre of the Latins which preceded the Sacking of Constantinople.
Can we recall that these 'crusaders' were excommunicated before they set for Constantinople? The Fourth Crusade as an actually papal sanctioned campaign was a minor reinforcement of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
@@jimcallahan9346 there is a difference. The Latin massacre you speak of was not ordered by Orthodox clergy. The Crusades were a direct result of a Papal call to arms.
@@BrianHoldsworth if that's not what happened, can you explain the giant bronze horses in St Mark's Basillica in Venice? Or even before Constantinople, what about the sacking of the Croatian city of Zara?
I don't understand why modern people feel the need to justify the actions of their forefathers. You are not them, and your justifications of their atrocities don't make you a better christian.
Not trying to justify the actions of the forefathers at all. Trying to distinguish the difference between some forefathers and the church. Many people continue to conflate the two when they are actually separate.
There seems to be a disconnect. Brian seems to hold the view that the Crusades were justified in principle, while the historian seems to argue that "everyone was guilty". In this specific podcast, the latter gives the impression that he probably doesn't agree with Brian but wouldn't say so explicitly. It's clear that the historian doesn't share the same degree of belief with Brian.
Hi Brian. I was with a friend, non believer and a bit ant catholic. He came with what he heard in a podcast.that the catholic church , Pope, before 1800 was nothing but power and sex. That's the opposite of my belief but what to say or do about. Even my son in a catholic school Gey this idea by his teachers.
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This is a crossover I didn't expect, but am totally excited to watch!!!
I am Protestant :)
I have been periodically binge watching realcrusadehistory for years.
It’s great to see a crossover with a more mainstream Catholic channel.
Christian Crusades was ordered by the Popes. It was all under the title of Christianity. But today you have the Roman Catholic Church and Christian Churches and then those who don't associate with either religions but has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as their savior and reads the bible and trusts Gods word but does not follow a churches interpretation. They only follow the bible itself as the leading authority of Gods word.
Roman Empire was extremely evil and throughout history was responsible for killing millions of Christians. When the Roman Empire fell the Huge Vacuum hole that was left was filled immediately by the Roman Catholic Church. It went from Emperors to Popes. The Popes withheld scripture from the average person because they deemed no one else worthy or holy enough to interpret scripture This changed in the 1500s to when people were able to own bibles again. The Roman Catholic church put Tradition before scripture. Its the Paganized version of Christianity.
Details:
1. No where in the bible does it teach to Deify Mary or Peter and to say prayers in their name.
2. The Pagan God Worshippers in the Roman Empire now converting to Christianity did not get rid of their Pagan Statues and just renamed them after Christian Figures. When The Second commandment clearly forbids this. Go to Rome or any big Catholic Church its filled with Statues of Mary and Peter and Jesus etc. Originally most the statues in Rome were once of Pagan Gods.
3. Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy. Roman Catholic Church Changed the Sabbath From Saturday to Sunday to Worship the Sun God Helios or Apollo.
4. Roman Catholic Church Changed Baptism from full submersion under water as a adult making a Conscious choice to live for Christ. To sprinkling water over the head of babies.
5. Changed Communion, and Ceremony's.
6. They Teach Works is how to enter Heaven. Even though Jesus taught only Faith in him is the way to the father you cant be a Good person and enter the kingdom of Heaven.
7. They have you pray to Priests instead of praying and having a personal relationship with Jesus yourself. That only higher ups may speak with God.
Read Revelations the Prostitute riding the beast of Babylon (Rome) is the Roman Catholic Church who deceives many! She is adorned in precious Jewels and Gold wearing Scarlet and Purple (Roman Catholic colors of Cardinals, and Bishops) and she was drunk on the blood of the Martyrs for Christ. (Remember its history of Roman Empire in Context) Holding that Golden Cup. Well what is the Most wealthiest religious institute in the world if not Roman Catholic Church? With all of their Gold and Jewels and that Golden Cup! NERO is apart of Roman Catholic History. He was a Roman Emperor and died right before John would have wrote Revelations.
It says the Beast with SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS!! The Seven heads represent 7 Hills or Mountains on which the Woman Sits. The Woman Represents a Church and Rome is the City of Seven Hills! Look it up. The expression as well, all roads lead to Rome. and if you look at sky shots of Rome its a big snake. Vatican in Latin means Divine Serpent....
Many Popes throughout history claim to have the power and authority of Jesus in their flesh. This is very VERY likely where the Anti Christ will Emerge from.
Conspiracy is the Popes have been running the Human trafficking crap forever and that's why it often has priests associated with Pedophilia.
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I’m a lifelong Protestant in RCIA to become Catholic. I have thoroughly researched this topic over the last three years. I am not looking to debate you but many of your claims show you aren’t familiar with the basic argumentation for the Catholic position.
Ironically, I think much of the conspiracy stuff is true. I don’t doubt that many cardinals and possibly even popes have either turned a blind eye toward or enabled the abuse of children on a level likely not seen outside of government operations. That is an excellent proof of the evil of humanity and the failure of any institution with human leadership. However, it is not an argument proving the Church teaches heresy which is the Catholic claim.
God bless you.
@@imjustheretogrill4794 God bless you too! I am just going to copy and paste you one long comment I sent to someone else. So the context of my writing isn’t fitted to you in regards to us having previous conversation. But go ahead and read this and go over it with your Bible too. And tell me your thoughts.
Back to Revelations. You said you agreed with some of the first stuff mentioned I remember. Here is what I am pointing to through this. The Dragon waiting to devour the child as soon as he was Born is Satan and is Satan working through the Power of the Roman Empire. (King Herod, Massacre of Innocents) Because King Herod was bestowed the title King of the Jews. The Child is Jesus. We agree?
The Woman it describes clothed with the Sun and Moon beneath her feet and garland of twelve stars. We agree this is a church also representing Gods people? So its the early Christianity/Catholicism that gets persecuted by the Roman Empire (The Dragon, Satan) Agree?
"Then being with child, she cried out in labor and pain to give birth.." "And the Dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth. To devour her child as soon as it was born."
Revelation 12:13
"When the Dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who gave birth to the male child."
Revelation 12:5
"And Her child was caught up to God and his Throne."
Harlot/Prostitutes Church:
But who is the Second Woman we later see? Its another Church right?
Revelation 17:3
"And I saw a Woman sitting on a Scarlet beast which was full of names of Blasphemy. Having Seven Heads and Ten horns. The Woman was clothed in Purple and Scarlet and adorned with Gold and precious Jewels and Stones. Having in her hand a golden cup filled with abominations and the filthiness' of her fornication. And on her forehead a name was written Mystery Babylon, the Great. The mother of Harlots and the abominations of the earth. I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the Saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus and when I saw her I marveled with great amazement"
This Woman Sits on many Waters which means peoples, Multitudes, Nations, Tongues as the Angel explains. And the Woman rides the Same Dragon with Seven Heads and Ten Horns waiting to devour the child as soon as it was Born. So whoever this new Woman/Church is, its riding the same Dragon that was the Roman Empire before and it was just the Dragon alone earlier. No woman/Church was sitting upon it at first. Remember John is writing this sometime in 90AD and the Woman/Church wouldn't rise until later.
Seven Heads meaning:
The Angel explained the Seven Heads represent 7 Hills or Mountains on which the Woman Sits. (Google Rome the City of Seven Hills) Its the only Major city that's on top of Seven Hills that was the Roman Empire and is the Roman Catholic Church today. The only place a Major Church Sits. All roads lead to Rome. This sounds like that Densely populated area. Nations, Multitudes, Tongues.
The Ten Horns:
So when the Western Roman Empire fell in 476AD. It fragmented into 10 Primary Kings/ Kingdoms. 1. Franks 2. Alamani 3. Visigoths 4. Suebi 5. Saxons 6. Lombards 7. Burgundians 8. Ostrogoths 9. Heruli 10. Vandals The Angel explains that the Ten Horns represent Ten Kings who have not yet risen to power. Remember to keep time in Context. John is writing this sometime in 90AD where as the Roman Empire wouldn't fall until 476AD and that's when those 10 Kingdoms would fragment.
The Colors and Clothing and wealth:
So not only does this Dragon represent Roman Empire and the 7 hills which Rome Sits but it also represents the 10 kingdoms it split into with the Ten Horns explained by the Angel as well. And the Woman is Clothed with Scarlet and Purple which is the Official color of Roman Bishops and Cardinals. So the Roman Catholic has the very same colors of the Harlot Woman too. It says she is Adorned in Gold and Precious Jewels and stones and Pearls. The Vatican is the wealthiest independent self governing religious institute in the world. Vatican has tons of wealth and Gold and Jewels. And the Pope drinks from a Big Golden Cup you can find Videos and pictures all over of him holding it. John sees the Woman holding a Golden cup.
(Google Vatican in Latin. Divinely Serpent.) Also look at sky shot pictures of Vatican City snake and inside the snake Council room. Its all a big snake design.
Drunk off the Saints and Martyrs for Jesus:
It says she was Drunk off the Saints and Martyrs for Jesus. Lets analyze that again. The Roman Empire persecuted Christians and even with the Roman Catholic church it was still the largest Persecuting Power as a church. The Roman Catholic Church has the Blood of Jesus Martyrs on its hands. So referring to this Woman/Church Drunk on the blood of the Saints and the Martyrs for Jesus. Again very much implies the Roman Catholic Church.
I am saying the early Christian/Catholic church was good. And when the Churches began in Rome and Catholicism was growing that's around the time I think the leaders would become a bit corrupted and the Roman Catholic Church started to change. Putting Traditions in front of Scripture. So yea there was many issues with Christian reformers I am aware of. But they saw the corruption in the Popes and leaders of the Roman Catholic Church. They went back to the Bible itself. You call them like privately studying scripture as in they had no good understanding of anything outside the Popes or priests. But I don't think that's true. Either way these men still believed Gods word and Prayed and believed in Jesus. They were our Brothers and Sisters in Christ still, but because they defied the Pope's they were killed in horrible ways.
So when it says this Woman/Church is a persecuting power and drunk off the Blood of the Saints and Martyrs for Jesus right there is clear indication of that. Are the Pope's 100% righteous and the Vicar of Christ? If they have the Blood of Millions of Martyrs for Jesus on their hands? Think about that for a bit.
@@imjustheretogrill4794 if you ever have time you’ll really enjoy this video. Check out on RUclips.
Revelation: The Bride, The Beast & Babylon.
It’s 1 hour and 34 minutes. It officially starts 4:15 in.
It goes over what I am talking about at 50:50 into the video in regards to Harlot sitting on the dragon with seven heads and ten horns. It goes over the history of Christianity and Roman Catholic Church. It’s a very well made video with images, videos, music, good narrating. Constant Bible reference. And multiple sources of study to make these findings. Check it out!
Edit I also mean no disrespect to anyone. This isn't me questioning the sincerity of any specific Pope or Priest this is a bigger battle for Truth. So I am not saying every local Catholic church in America is something corrupt I am talking about the overall Vatican Roman Catholic Church. And the layered traditions put before Scripture. I am not questioning my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who are Catholic. I am a Christian who like the Reformers showed the Popes have often Errored and Contradicted themselves. And in the history of this church it has lots of Blood on its hands. To me The Bible, Gods word, The Ten Commandments, Jesus teaching. That's the ultimate authority. Not the Pope.
@@CME215 man… the amount of mental gymnastics you have to do to hold your position is absolutely astronomical. You really need to be more honest with your analysis and you’ll find none of it adds up.
Long time follower of Steven Roberts. His work shows that despite the excesses of the Crusades by huge armies progressing towards a Jerusalem, compared to that time, we are in an age of very little faith.
I’m a huge fan of the real crusade channel. This is awesome
Glad to hear it!
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I hope that Ten Minute Bible Hour sees this.... they had a recent talk between an evangelical and a catholic theologian on this topic - but it began with the bias of the Church being historically violent. I appreciate a perspective from the other side.
Very violent indeed. (sarcasm intended). The Church was started by a person who volunteered to receive most horrible torture and violent death. Followed by the guys who prefer martyrdom to violence.
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@@tony1685 no and no. Not interested in debates either. You may enjoy your "alternative truth".
As far as I know the Crusades are the reason we are not prostrating five times a day to pray to a master.
Sounds like what an atheist would say. Cringe. I bet you never even went to church
Yes sir. That was a time when real men stood up for their faith and families. A concept that’s pretty rare these days
Well that’s just ahistorical, and the racism is a bit louder than a dog whistle. Come on, dude.
@@thebacons5943, First of all, Islam is not a race.
But on the topic, since I never claimed that the Crusades stopped the spread of Islam, I failed to see anything ahistorical.
@@thebacons5943 I don’t think race was brought up in the previous argument.
I have been following him since he started. Love the channel. Learned so much. A treasure
Thank you Mr. Holdsworth, for this informative discussion between yourself and Mr. Roberts - really enjoyed it. To add a few more titles to Mr. Robert's excellent recommendations for helpful books on this subject:
1."The Crusades A Short History" by Jonathan Riley-Smith
2. "The Later Crusades From Lyons to Alcazar (1274-1580) by Norman Housley
3. "The Dream and the Tomb" by Robert Payne
4. "Why Does the Heathen Rage" by J. Stephen Roberts (novel)
God bless you and both of you keep up the good work! :)
The general misinformation is so bad that even my priest said in a homily that the Catholic Church was wrong to try and conquer the world through the crusades
there's no excuse for an religious educated person to believe the lie. I grew up thinking we have to apologize for the crusades... until I found out it was more of a defensive act
The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. History is imperfect.
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Your Priest shouldn’t pass Judgment on Catholics.
Have you ever herd A FAMILY THAT PRAYS TOGETHER STAYS TOGETHER.
Evil will spread everywhere, which is why it’s So The Catholic Church was hit most heavy.
The first church of Christ was Roman Catholic…
EXAMPLE!
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He should be sent to a re-education retreat for 6 months.
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Why are contemporary politicians so condemnatory of the Crusades? Someone once said, “All history is the history of the present.”
That is deep. What does it mean?
@@butterflybeatles - I think what the author meant (I can’t remember who said it) is that our approach to history is dominated by our contemporary preoccupations along with a tendency to see the past in our own terms. There’s another famous quotation: “The past is a foreign country - they do things differently there” - the opening to Hartley’s novel, “The Go-Between”. The trick is to see the past on its own terms rather than trying to hijack it with our own agendas.
Because people like being anachronistic because most people are dumb.
Also contemporary people like to perpetuate their own self aggrandizement as the most self-righteous people to ever exist by tearing down and condemning people from the past.
Why are contemporary Americans politicians so condemnatory of the US involvement in the Vietnam War? Why do the French regret trying to fight everybody from Algeria to Vietnam to keep their colonial empire and prevent independence by the natives? Maybe because it was a waste of lives and resources that accomplished very little?
I listened to a 24 hour long audio book about the history of the crusades and learned the single most important thing you need to know about them: IT'S COMPLICATED.
Thank you, more of that insight is needed, especially when discussing the Crusades
Yes!! 🙌 Thank you for interviewing @realcrusadeshistory ! Could listen to this history all day!
I’ve been a fan of both your channels for years and I am so glad that your working together!
Men, you 2 are my top here on RUclips. An unexpected joy to see you together!
Thanks!
This was a pleasant surprise; having Mr. Roberts as a guest. I have enjoyed both of your programs very much.
Loved this discussion on the Crusades. I’ve been wanting to dive in to accurate historial facts on this part of Church history.
when the Kings ( all ruling Princes) no longer lead their own armies in person on the battlefield , was the beginning of their destruction unfortunately.
*DIEU LE ROI*
Adieux le roi
Even from just a purely military perspective the Crusades were a long overdue self-defensive action on the part of Catholic Europe.
Which Crusades? The one into Holy Land? Then i guess i could (mostly) agree but do not forget that we are talking Northern Crusades, Slavic Crusade. Then (mostly) disagree.
@@grzegorzkuczek5742 The ones into the Holy Land.
@@grzegorzkuczek5742 Yeah, the Teutonic Order back in the day became corrupt after they realized the immense power they held. Their goal switched from Christianization of pagans to creating their own state. After a large portion of them become Protestants, they also started to identify too much with the "Teutonic" part, which eventually was used by German nationalists to claim that Poland is "rightfully" German. At least they left us some impressive buildigs. The Marienburg is the most impressive castle I have ever seen with my own eyes. Also, the Teutonic Order still exists and today it's devoutly Catholic again.
@@wilhufftarkin8543 "Become corrupt after? Maybe They already were corrupted already when they started this crusade? It not like they treated conquered Prussian with Christian mercy. Basically even J. Stephen Roberts admits at his channel that Teutonic Order all but exterminated local population. Once You murder vast majority of people You were supposed to convert I am sorry but I will question were You that keen to converted them in the first place. I am kind of incline to think that at foremost Order coveted to grab local lands and grow in power. Sure there were some preaching of gospel involved but at best it took secondary place. At worst it was a total fig leaf to cover brutal expansion.
Please compare Order action with the action of St. Cyril and Methodius St. Wojciech (St. Adalbert of Prague), St. Jadwiga Andegawenska (St. Jadwiga of Poland) and suddenly it is clear that You did not have to murder Pagans to convert them.
Respectfully.
@@grzegorzkuczek5742 Why do you single out the Teutonic Knights? I'll agree that their history isn't all roses and sunshine, but neither is the history of any medieval power. None of Poland's various secular rulers were boy scouts either. And the Teutonic Knights often behaved better than their various Prussian tribal opponents. The Teutonic Knights could behave brutally, but they could also behave benevolently, and many Prussians lived well and even prospered under them. Teutonic rule often looks better in hindsight to the endless slave raids and human trafficking of the various Prussian tribal chieftains.
I have to re-watch his videos.
J is a gateway to detailed insightful Catholic history.
Thank you for interviewing him!
The Byzantine Empire *was* the Roman Empire, just the eastern half (it was not a successor state, at least at first)
To be honest from the perspective of medieval Western Europe, the Empire of Constantinople had little legitimacy as the successor of that Roman Empire which ruled over them, if that makes sense. The Carolingian and Ottonian imperial coronations were more a restoration than usurpation, in so far as it is relevant to those Western Christian peoples. The Greeks could call themselves Romans all they want, so did the 'Kings of Germany'.
@@Epicrandomness1111 I did say "the Eastern half", and it was in direct continuity with the Eastern Roman Empire, not the Western Roman Empire (they were both the Roman Empire).
That’s right, “at first”. Because Rome was virtually abandoned at times and the emperor in Constantinople gave up defending Rome, and that’s where Charlemagne comes in.
@@mikelopez8564 That is not why I said "at first". Rome was not the capital of the Western Empire, so it is irrelevant whether or not it was lost or not. I said "at first", because of the sack of Constantinople in 1204, and there was a small interruption in its continuity. I am not saying that there was not continuity after, it is generally recognized that the Byzantine Empire fell in 1453, but I said what I did because some people might argue otherwise.
@@Epicrandomness1111 Nah. The ERE was the Roman empire. Same political system, identity, institutions, Capital, culture (Greek culture was hugely influential in the Roman empire even during the days of Trajan), borders (to a degree) etc...
The Roman Empire simply changed a little bit. I mean, what can you expect from an empire lasting more than a thousand years?
I’m evangelical but this is so refreshing to see and hear. So far 12 minutes in and the host is saying some Biblical and logical stuff about mood vs truth. Great stuff so far
A long form interview about the Crusades? Can I get an Amen!
AMEN!
Awesome talk, it's awesome to have J Stephen Roberts on the channel his work is amazing.
I'm Portuguese and not too long ago I travelled to the south almost every church in the south is from the time of the Reconquista, there are even very few streets with Moorish names.
Thanks so much for this interview. I am mostly an armature historian (though passionate about it), but it always annoys me that modern takes on history always weight the events of the past according to modern worldviews and policies. Having some of the broader background of the Crusades laid out like this was really exciting. I'm looking forward so the show!
Christian Crusades was ordered by the Popes. It was all under the title of Christianity. But today you have the Roman Catholic Church and Christian Churches and then those who don't associate with either religions but has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as their savior and reads the bible and trusts Gods word but does not follow a churches interpretation. They only follow the bible itself as the leading authority of Gods word.
Roman Empire was extremely evil and throughout history was responsible for killing millions of Christians. When the Roman Empire fell the Huge Vacuum hole that was left was filled immediately by the Roman Catholic Church. It went from Emperors to Popes. The Popes withheld scripture from the average person because they deemed no one else worthy or holy enough to interpret scripture This changed in the 1500s to when people were able to own bibles again. The Roman Catholic church put Tradition before scripture. Its the Paganized version of Christianity.
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1. No where in the bible does it teach to Deify Mary or Peter and to say prayers in their name.
2. The Pagan God Worshippers in the Roman Empire now converting to Christianity did not get rid of their Pagan Statues and just renamed them after Christian Figures. When The Second commandment clearly forbids this. Go to Rome or any big Catholic Church its filled with Statues of Mary and Peter and Jesus etc. Originally most the statues in Rome were once of Pagan Gods.
3. Fourth Commandment: Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy. Roman Catholic Church Changed the Sabbath From Saturday to Sunday to Worship the Sun God Helios or Apollo.
4. Roman Catholic Church Changed Baptism from full submersion under water as a adult making a Conscious choice to live for Christ. To sprinkling water over the head of babies.
5. Changed Communion, and Ceremony's.
6. They Teach Works is how to enter Heaven. Even though Jesus taught only Faith in him is the way to the father you cant be a Good person and enter the kingdom of Heaven.
7. They have you pray to Priests instead of praying and having a personal relationship with Jesus yourself. That only higher ups may speak with God.
Read Revelations the Prostitute riding the beast of Babylon (Rome) is the Roman Catholic Church who deceives many! She is adorned in precious Jewels and Gold wearing Scarlet and Purple (Roman Catholic colors of Cardinals, and Bishops) and she was drunk on the blood of the Martyrs for Christ. (Remember its history of Roman Empire in Context) Holding that Golden Cup. Well what is the Most wealthiest religious institute in the world if not Roman Catholic Church? With all of their Gold and Jewels and that Golden Cup! NERO is apart of Roman Catholic History. He was a Roman Emperor and died right before John would have wrote Revelations.
It says the Beast with SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS!! The Seven heads represent 7 Hills or Mountains on which the Woman Sits. The Woman Represents a Church and Rome is the City of Seven Hills! Look it up. The expression as well, all roads lead to Rome. and if you look at sky shots of Rome its a big snake. Vatican in Latin means Divine Serpent....
Many Popes throughout history claim to have the power and authority of Jesus in their flesh. This is very VERY likely where the Anti Christ will Emerge from.
Conspiracy is the Popes have been running the Human trafficking crap forever and that's why it often has priests associated with Pedophilia.
@@CME215 I see you in a lot of comments promoting the same thing over and over again. Full of easy to find inaccuracies in both history and theology. Your first point for example is already wrong. When Western Roman Empire fell there wasn’t a power vacuum the church filled. 1. It couldn’t it had no troops or authority over pagan barbarians. 2. It was already filled from the Franks,Goths, Saxons who invaded and Byzantines(Romans) that still existed. That’s just the first historical inaccuracy you have. Then Saying the Popes withheld scripture which they didn’t. I could go on and on refuting each point but I won’t. I think you got most of the misinformation from a video you keep promoting. So I don’t blame you actually the opposite continue to search for the truth just next time look into the credentials of the video then look and see where their history information comes from. God Bless and keep asking questions.
@@artoriuscasca424 Yes I did send this to a few other people. I was looking for good discussion and debates on this stuff which I have received.
Stating Power vacuum is just a play with words hardly something you can point out as being wrong. It simply implies that the exact same time the Roman Empire was falling the Church in Rome was gaining strength.
Yes it was split into the Ten Horns or Ten Kingdoms it states in revelations. Saxons, Lombards, Franks, Goths, Etc.
You can look up historically the Popes declared only priests and higher ups were the only ones qualified to read scriptures. There was no printing presses obviously and no average person could read or learn scripture. Around in the 1200s to 1600s there would be numerous Christian reformers who would point out the Contradictions of the Popes in comparison to the very bible they Teach.
Most of these men were persecuted and excommunicated and killed for Heresy. Who defines they were heretics? Did the Roman Catholic Churches religious power condemn them? Or can you find in the Bible and Gods word and Jesus Teachings and prove these men were guilty Heretics.
Those Christian reformers believed in Jesus Christ as their lord and Savior and were baptized men who prayed and spread Gods word. They spoke up about the traditions they saw Popes and religious leaders doing that was not biblical.
God bless you too! I am not anti Catholic or promoting that. Just anti Papal Supremacy and think these Popes and religious leaders are corrupted.
@@CME215 It's good to ask questions and debate. That helps one learn things. Ah, I also see what ya mean now. Yes, the Tribes definitely moved quickly to fill the vacuum especially the Saxons and Franks. But to answer your question no. There has never been a Catholic Pope or Bishop to ban the Bible for people to read. We must take into account that in the middle ages all books were copied by hand so they were very limited. Scrolls and such were as precious as gold in some cases. On top of that many people were illiterate in their own language let alone Latin. (Like you said)That's where stain glass windows come in. These were used to educate people in the middle ages similar to how picture books are used to learn languages in our day. Now let's discuss the printing press and German protestants. Before Martin Luther's movement, the Bible was already translated 20 times in German in both high and low dialects. Even before the KJV of the Bible came into play The Douay-Rheims was made available in English. (I use these versions) But yes as we see the church never made the Bible unavailable it just took time for the people to catch up and be able to read it and for the Bible itself to be more readily available. If anything the Church tried its best with what it had by having things like the Crucifixion or Blessed Trinity and such in stain glass form so the populace can learn through pictures. As for people being excommunicated and killed yes the Church did excommunicate them but the Governments of those countries carried out the final executions. For example. While I can't name every Dutchy and micronation of Germany during the time of the Reformation Other than the big players. My family (on my dad's side) did originate from Bavaria (Catholic) and I know it was in staunch opposition to Saxony (Protestant) at the time of the thirty-year war. It was bloody and 60% of the Germans died at this time. Severely weakening the Holy Roman Empire. The Church itself played no part in it yet Catholics and Protestants took it upon themselves to fight each other. I won't deny there haven't been corruption in the church at times. But that is bound to happen I think the Japanese Imperial court is the only thing on earth that can compete as the oldest continue organization on earth. Hope this helps clear up things.
@@artoriuscasca424 My mistake and poor choice of words then. They did not Ban the Bible. You are correct most people were illiterate and scriptures were very precious. I am still making a point through that though when the Popes declared only they and priests where able to interpret scriptures and that the common man had no hope of understanding scripture without the help of Popes and Priests. And lets say they were correct about that. Still within that time period I think the Papal Supremacy would take advantage of this moment in time and become corrupt.
So my point of corruption came in a time period where regular average people did not have access to scripture only the Pope did. And later on when people were studying the bible and all these Christian reformers went against the Catholic church for teaching unbiblical traditions. That's when the knowledge of the Papal Supremacy's Errors and Contradictions were exposed. And the Papal Supremacy had been fighting and persecuting those who rose against it.
So if the Roman Catholic Church excommunicates someone by their Churches Religious Laws. Then the Government then carries out the execution by these laws. They weren't executed for just being excommunicated. They were executed for why they were excommunicated. That means the Roman Catholic Church had no part? Same example would apply with Jesus. Since it was the Roman Empire that Crucified Jesus that means the Jewish Pharisees had no part in that?
Pilot said to Jesus I have the Authority to set you free or to have you Crucified. Jesus said "You have authority over me, only because it was given to you by God. So the men who handed me over to you, Is guilty of a worse sin."
You really should see EWTN's fantastic four episode series on the Crusades. Absolutely orthodox and true to the real history, with major Crusader scholars such as Profs. Madden, Phillips, and the late great Prof Jonathan Riley Smith. It is perhaps a bit History Channel like with re-enactments, but better.
How can I watch it? I can't find it on youtube. Do you have a link to where I can watch?
Yes, do you know where can i watch it?
The channel real crusades history is so amazing
Wow. the guy who made your intro song is INCREDIBLE I would love to see one of these episodes with him!!!
Love RCH too!!!
Good to put a face to the voice. Great interview..
Ones of my favourite youtubers together! 😀 What a treat!!!!
Thank you both! ❤️
To Stephen, I've heard you talking about the so called "northern crusades" and I wish you could have a conversation with a Polish historian, for a different point of view. That would be very interesting, I think. Dr Bartosz Ćwir. 😉
Of course, what I said above is the only thing I take exception on with Dr. Roberts. He’s a brilliant student of history and thank God he’s speaking out on these ideas!
Thank you Brian Holdsworth for this presentation.
Really interesting
Great to see J. Stephen here. I remember watching your video about the crusades in which you recomanded Real Crusades History. I’ve been watching a lot of videos of him, which are very infromative and well made. I myself didn’t really know much about the crusades except the bad portrayel of it. I had a gut feeling the way the crusades were portrayed were not fair. His channels brought so much on my knowledge of the crusades. Great to see you both here.
This is where I can respect Catholics: they can look back upon Church history and realize that masculine Christianity is not evil, but good and just! What many people fail to realize is that the Crusades were a reaction to 450 years of continuous Islamic jihad. So when they were speaking about restoration as a reason for the Crusades, that could be applied to reconquest of: North Africa, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Cyprus, Asia Minor and the Balkans and all of Judea (reconquest for the Jews). So yeah, the Crusades were completely necessary against the islamofascist threat! So thank you for your work, Brian; this education has been sorely needed in our Western society for decades now.
Love seeing you two talking together! Great content.
Awesome video! I’ve been following Real Crusades History since the first video.
You guys touched an interesting point about violence and such. In what I have found I have realized a great truth: that God is a God of mercy, yes, infinite mercy, but people often mistake mercy with permissiveness. God does forgive, but He does not look the other way when people DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE and do not want to be forgiven basically. This is why the Punishment will come, it will come after the Warning and the Miracle occur as stated by our Lady in Garabandal. This is no longer a "possibility" as some state leaving the topic in the air, this is becoming more and more a reality as time sees more horrible things, and worse affronts to God committed by man kind. This will have a punishment, people should not be mistaken about it.
It is interesting that many movies earlier in the 20th Century depicted
Knights as noble and chivalrous,
Faithful men.
Since the 60's , not so much...
Ever since thr movie Lion in Winter with Peter Otoole and katherine Hepburn. It was hinted at that Richard the lion heart was homosexual.Everything I read about Richard was he was a warrior. I nver read anything about what he did in his bed.
I have read, he was also trained as a bard in Languedoc. So, had a very good memory and could sing.
Every think of posting this as a podcast format? Would love to listen on the go
I love how you still say "greetings of the day"
Very well thought out questions and astute answers given! A real joy to watch. Thank you both for working to correct false assumptions and expand the narrative on this still relevant topic!
The Crusades were what we now call an "international humanitarian military intervention" , exercising the what we now call the "responsibility to protect" .
I for once am not surprised this came out.
Maybe the real crusade was the friends we made along the way.
Great topic! Much appreciated.
Great interview! Subbed to both channels
Really happy with the Real Crusades channel.
Anybody ever play Medieval II: Total War? Great game…I need to play it again
8:00 I've seen many, many young people go through that phase of questioning what they've been taught precisely at those prepubescent years; I'm convinced it's biological. Nature makes us want to breakaway at that point: stop trusting completely your elders and search for your own identify. Faith suffers together with every other belief.
In terms on believing in God as a Catholic, I think parents REALLY need to consider providing serious apologetics education during those years (10-15) to give meaning to their faith. I really wish there were a structured syllabus families could follow; probably for those who would study it to prepare for confirmation.
Actually, it applies to every aspect of life and, interestingly, there is so much information in the Bible (specially in the old testament) that is great material for formation for life
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"these people had something going on that we can't touch today"
For sure! It's the trade-off from embracing modernism and the so called "enlightenment". The set of beliefs drilled into us since the French Revolution (many false, many unproven) have robed us from the truth provided by belief in the Almighty.
Ideologies (mostly abstract) have distanced us from the natural laws
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Save the Hagia Sofia!!! God help us and God save our Eastern brethren there!
Crusade will come in handy...but now is different we have an entire continent(America) to back up our European Brothers
Had a Dylan lyric pop into my head @10:22 "There's reasons for that, and reasons for this. I can't think of any right now, but I know they exist"
Great interview. Could you please put a link to Christian Channel in the description?
The most visible mosaic in Hagia Sophia in the semi-apse of the Blessed Virgin Mary with the Christ child is now covered by a curtain during Friday prayers and at other times.
This is the best crossover
I asked J. Stephen Roberts years ago what his religion was in a comment and he jokingly said he was Muslim. Good to know he’s a member of the Church. I recently changed majors to history after four and a half years of being a Wildlife Biology Major. Stephen was one of the history RUclipsrs who convinced me this was my passion. I never went to the library to read about cells if I didn’t have to for a class, I poured over volumes of history and took out every book on the Byzantine Empire/Medieval Roman Empire. I know I’ve come home.
Any particular reason you chose Rome over Byzantium in the end? I'm a practicing Orthodox Christian, but am exploring the Catholic claims in order to test my faith. Figured I'd get your input while I'm at it. Cheers!
@@permanenceaesthetic6545 I was born and raised in the Catholic Church I simply never doubted it. I had a friend who was once Orthodox but became Catholics there are Eastern Catholic Churches that are extremely similar to the Orthodox Church in terms of rites, and traditions. Only major difference is they accept the authority of the Pope as head of the Church.
most of the slander came from the enlightenment thinkers on the 17th century not to mention the natural animosity the early protestant lay people to distinguish their "new" church and the "old" traditional church. As a person that comes from a part of the world that was overrun and occupied by arab and berber armies we are well aware of the true reasons for the formal and organized crusades as well as the organic local resistance that arose from the oppression and discrimination if the majority christian population by the elite arab overlords. Those early warriors and crusaders are a great source of historical pride.
I learned about the existence of the Byzantine empire through a art history class during my time in community college back in the 70’s.
Great show, thanks.
Real Crusades History is grade A content backed up with solid scholarship.
Brian can you make an audio podcast channel? Thanks
Fascinated by the crusades and I have watched his youtube channel, but I missed the announcement about the crowd funded show. Thank you for getting word out.
I know this video was published some time ago but currently in Turkey the Ayasofya is an active mosque. However, it is still open to the public for tourists. I believe that the mosaics are covered during the Muslim prayers but I am not certain.
I had never heard of the Real Crusades channel until now, so I am really excited to check it out!
Can I suggest a couple of other books on the Crusades? The Crusaders by Regine Pernoud and The Templars, Knights of Christ by the same author are some of my favorite reads on the subject though very French centric - not that that’s a bad thing, the author was simply a French medieval historian.
In fact, most of the Crusaders, Templars or even Hospitalliers were Frankish, or came mainly from Duchies and Counties in France.
Accurate or not- I did enjoy the 1935 Crusades flick. 😆
I can't wait to see Mr. Roberts' telling.
Attacking a diversity of enemies is our strength
The only truly pan-European piece of literature I have ever read is Ariosto”s “Orlando Furioso” which is written against the background of the conflict between Christendom and Islam. Coming a close second is the “Gerusalemme Liberata” by Tasso which is, of course, about the First Crusade.
Even in 'non-violent' resistance, violence at the end is unavoidable given our fallen nature. The Lord understands that perfectly of course and that is why, for example, He arranged for a VIOLENT event in history (other than the Passion of Our Lord of course), the Battle of the Milvian Bridge where THOUSANDS were killed, including the enemy emperor, and GOD gave the victory to Constantine who legalized Christianity. IN HOC SIGNO VINCES!
Then how about SAINT Joan of Arc, a WARRIOR who led Thousands of Soldiers in battle? There are countless other examples where the Lord has utilized violence to further His Glory and Kingdom in the world. There goes down the drain the 'Christians are supposed to be ONLY non-violent' argument of some folks out there. GOD BLESS THE HOLY CRUSADES! VIVA CRISTO REY!
You are amazing!
Is there a podcast/audio only version of this?
I knew when I found his channel that he must be a Catholic, as only one of us would have any interest in giving a proper take on the Crusades.
I dont see the crusade tv show website online. What's the link?
At the time of Crusades the population of coastal Levant was still majority Christians.
It wasn't a ..''crusade'' it was a war for liberation of christian lands that span from Spain to Jerusalem and Antioch.
Very interesting. Thank you.
Great topic.
But I think they were awesome and completely justified and probably needed again...
Absolutely! After all, in Matthew 5:43-44 Jesus did tell Christians to their enemies and with those who persecute you, and Romans12:19 says, Beloved, avenge yourselves, leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, ', says the Lord". And remember Daniel 4:17 “‘The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is hascontrol of people.’ Plus, it took three and a half centuries but Augustine finally figured out a way for Christians wage war, so you've got that going for ya.
Excellent gentlemen.
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The Crusades were based
Love his channel good video
It is worth noting that the negative attitude most people have towards the crusades is not just due to historical ignorance. (Not that I deny most people are historically ignorant)
The anti-Crusade bias has been written into history for the better part of 300 years. Much of our modern canon of history goes back to the enlightenment era and most of our commonly taught and commonly held notions about the middle ages in general, as well as the crusades in specific, are the result of enlightenment era historians who deliberately portrayed the middle ages as backwards and barbaric. Even the very name the "middle ages" is a dismissive term because it was based on seeing that era as simply the wasted time in between the golden age of classical antiquity and the modern age of the enlightenment.
This propagandized of the 'Dark Ages' or 'the Middle Ages', which also tarred the Crusades, was propagated both by Protestant historians who were deliberately trying to smear Catholicism, and by secularist philosophers of the enlightenment who despised Christianity in general, but particularly Catholicism which they viewed as superstitious backwardness.
So even if people have read history, this is likely the view they are going to get. Only fairly recently have historians began to recognize this bias and re-write medieval history in a more objective manner.
I feel like the west looks at the crusades as they do, imperialistic, legalistic, with conquest as the main reason for it, is because the western secular society for the most part is a direct succession of or even what became of the protestant revolt. One could even say the protestant revolt is still happening, it's just non-religious now, or even anti-religious, which is the logical conclusion of protestantism..and since protestants were so dead against the crusades and inquisition, among other things, it makes sense that modern western society still looks at it in the same way..Since, again, postmodern secularism branched out from the protestant revolt, or like i said, in a way, one could say it's still happening today..Catholicism created western civilization, and even gave us a lot of great modern ideas and ways of living, but protestantism destroyed it! +M+
The first protestant was Satan the father of protestants. Of course protestantism will lead us into demise.
That's right, in my view.
Why can't I open the video? it says it premiered 3 hrs ago.
William, Duke of Normandy, in 1066, apparently flew papal colours, making it a kind of crusade to restore England, British Church, to true allegiance to Rome.
How did he get them?
What happened to the Anglo Saxon clergy, who apparently supported Constantinople?
England has never recovered from having its land stolen from the people.
@Totus Tuus All the Eastern Orthodox had accepted the authority of the Pope at the Seventh Ecumenical Council. However, in the two centuries between then and the schism, the papacy began to evolve into a monarchical office. The schism was precipitated by measures requiring Greek parishes in southern Italy to conform to Latin practices. The events of 1054 were themselves canonically irregular (the Pope being dead at the time!), and only twelve years elapsed between then and the Conquest. Thus, there cannot have ben a great deal written in such a short period.
Relations between Rome and the Anglo-Saxon hierarchy were poor in the years immediately before the Conquest. Most of them had been replaced within five years.
In 1051 Edward the Confessor exiled his most powerful noble, Earl Godwin and his sons. Edward appointed a Norman cleric, Robert of Jumièges as archbishop of Canterbury. In 1052 Godwin returned and was restored, archbishop Robert fled England. Godwin appointed Stigand, bishop of Winchester as archbishop of Canterbury, he remained bishop of Winchester. Because the lawful archbishop of Canterbury had been deposed without consulting the Pope, and Stigand was holding two sees in plurality, St Leo IX refused Stigand the pallium, so Stigand was not recognised by Rome as archbishop of Canterbury, this continued until 1066. William promised to depose Stigand, so the Pope sent a banner to William.
@@patrickhows1482 And the English have been paying the price ever since. William turned the Sovereign from land holder to land owner and divided up among his supporters, in exchange for military and other services. Then the nobles sloughed off their duties and kept the land, evicting the previous occupants, a process that was not completed until WW1
They hang the man and flog the woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
Yet let the greater villain loose
That steals the common from the goose
The law demands that we atone
When we take things we do not own
But leaves the lords and ladies fine
Who take things that are yours and mine
The poor and wretched don't escape
If they conspire the law to break
This must be so but they endure
Those who conspire to make the law
The law locks up the man or woman
Who steals the goose from off the common
And geese will still a common lack
Till they go and steal it back
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Yes, the Norman Conquest was a disaster. The Old English state was the best organised state in Western Europe. If Harold had won at Hastings, his power and prestige would have been immense, he would have defeated the two the leading warrior rulers in Western Europe and his own lands would have become the crown's.
We need a new crusade
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the Crusades??? TAKE MY MONEY
See EWTN's The Crusades, really good!
There have been 1763 conflicts in history, that meet the requirements to be classified as war. Of those, 128 began as religious wars. Out of that 128, Muslims started 66 of them. This information was current as of 2004. It means that more religious wars were started in the name of Islam, than ALL other religions combined, in recorded history.
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I enjoyed listening to this, but was slightly disappointed (because I am such a picky guy) that in discussing the Crusades, the struggles in the Mediterranean Sea and the really big crusading battles both in places like Rhodes and Malta, and the big ones on the Balkans and in Hungary were not even mentioned. I suppose this reflects the English-language literature, but with new publications out, there is not excuse anymore!
They only had so much time, though. But to your point, at least mentioning those campaigns when they mentioned the other theatres such as Spain and the Baltic would’ve been great.
@@jefffinkbonner9551 I understand about the time, but an 'honourable mention' would have been nice. Still, it is a lot of ground to cover.
One of the problems with speaking truth about the crusades, is the likelihood of being labeled negatively by organizations such as the ADL or splc.
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No way! J Stephen is the man!!
Allan Ruhl (your fellow countryman) has also done a lot of great work in relation to the crusades. and also Stephan Molyneux (regardless of your thoughts on the man himself)
Excellent!
Great interview. It was not a colony building money grab. A Google of priests and holy men also went. Also aesthetically, Jerusalem was rugged looking... due to climate and trends for the most part was a big, but shabby and dirty, crowded city. There would have been weeds growing everywhere, stray dogs, cats, beggar kids.
The Byzantines are the epidome of the old saying, "live by the sword, die by the sword."
So awesome that a truthful account of the Crusades are going on film. Wonderful!
We shouldn't ignore Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade as a positive film concerning the last crusade
Thank you
The fourth crusade was a disaster the Byzantine Empire never fully recovered from. The crusaders decided to take a detour to Constantinople, one of the richest cities on earth at the time, to plunder it and install a Latin patriarch.
That's not quite what happened. You should watch J's video on the topic.
John, it was indeed a sad chapter in history, but our orthodox brothers in Christ tend to forget about the Massacre of the Latins which preceded the Sacking of Constantinople.
Can we recall that these 'crusaders' were excommunicated before they set for Constantinople? The Fourth Crusade as an actually papal sanctioned campaign was a minor reinforcement of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.
@@jimcallahan9346 there is a difference. The Latin massacre you speak of was not ordered by Orthodox clergy. The Crusades were a direct result of a Papal call to arms.
@@BrianHoldsworth if that's not what happened, can you explain the giant bronze horses in St Mark's Basillica in Venice? Or even before Constantinople, what about the sacking of the Croatian city of Zara?
I don't understand why modern people feel the need to justify the actions of their forefathers. You are not them, and your justifications of their atrocities don't make you a better christian.
Not trying to justify the actions of the forefathers at all. Trying to distinguish the difference between some forefathers and the church. Many people continue to conflate the two when they are actually separate.
There seems to be a disconnect. Brian seems to hold the view that the Crusades were justified in principle, while the historian seems to argue that "everyone was guilty". In this specific podcast, the latter gives the impression that he probably doesn't agree with Brian but wouldn't say so explicitly. It's clear that the historian doesn't share the same degree of belief with Brian.
The problem is, in part, which crusade one is talking about.
Hi Brian. I was with a friend, non believer and a bit ant catholic. He came with what he heard in a podcast.that the catholic church , Pope, before 1800 was nothing but power and sex. That's the opposite of my belief but what to say or do about. Even my son in a catholic school Gey this idea by his teachers.