Dedicated Quad Stack AR15 lower - DT Quattro
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The Desert Tech Quattro is a dedicated 53 round lower that accepts proprietary magazines. Is it reliable? Does it make sense? What's a good use for it? We break the DT Quattro down.
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Imagine if police had these... Hope they hear no acorns drop!
Careful, a lot of people in the gun community are supporters of the thin blue line gang.
cmon dude)
Squirrels now have a whole new double dare with their buddies😁
*Since you're going to be using it over the long-term, would love to hear a follow-up review 6 to 12 months from now and see what you're impressions are then.*
I have seem videos where they have failed to feed, also the mag came apart and dumped all of the rounds on the ground. Could be user error?
i have one of these on an AR-RPK build will eventually make a series on it after I hit 5k rounds
@@retirednobaddays456 The mags when full and dropped on a hard surface will probably break.
The magazine the ATF told you not to worry about
Or the magazine I told the ATF not to worry about
😂
Careful bro, they'll classify you as a machine gun.
More like we told the AFT not to worry about
Its the future...
We love our Quattro-15 lower. Been a stellar performer and perfect fit for our uses. Excellent product.
The owner of Desert Tech says this was intended for a light machine gun use or some other high rate of suppressive fire use. He wanted someone to carry more ammo and have longer strings of fire.
Smart man.
Also good for hunting deer that are wearing kevlar vests.
Probably as close as you can get to a belt in terms of weight for rounds.
Now we need an AR10 version
When he inserted the d60 I was like “wait a second…”
Its the future of rifles.
The key is the way the magazine is made, which makes it much more reliable than regular quad stacks, no forcing cone to jam it up.
Imagine how much 5.7 or 4.6 it can hold. If you transition to using guncotton for propellant that ammunition becomes twice as powerful, make it a longer case and it'll be as strong as an intermediate round. A slightly longer magazine and it'll probably hold 80. Imagine applying these principles to anything in battle rifle calibers (capacity 40, 50...)
Ex, a 6.8mm with new propellant and a .223 parent case will have battle rifle capability and carry 60 rounds standard. Use a double shot trigger like an echo or binary and you have enough rapid fire without full auto uncontrollability. Superior firepower without losing volume of fire.
Check their videos… matching military drop testing and the mags still run. Far simpler than a drum or multi-spring SureFire. As much as you see foreign militaries using mag couplers, this is a far superior option.
Pretty cool system. Makes sense for competitive shooters and looks like straight up upgrade to M27 IAR.
Yeah, the M27 needs this lower or D60 mags for sure. I don't understand how you lay down good cover as a squad gunner with 30 round mags.
Hear me out. If the SCOTUS does check the ATF on their practice of redefining machineguns to include things like bump-stocks and FRTs, I'd love to get that new H&R lmg upper, an FRT and this quattro lower. That would be a spicy meatball.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking too. A nice 18" heavy barrel with an FRT. Boom. Instant machine gunner capability with no caliber charge. Also with the ability to take 30 rounders or D60's.
My old neighbor had one of those Fightlite belt fed uppers on a lower with a binary triggers and one of those goofy trigger cranks on a bipod. It was goofy and expensive but super fun.
Long before this video I have a ARPK build planned around this lower using a 20" HBAR barrel and binary trigger. Hopefully FRT will win and I will use that trigger instead. Way cheaper than the D60 route.
I wanna build a suppressed .300 BLK with this! With a forced reset trigger or binary trigger.
lets hope so, some good news for your cousins across the pond; the DFL - UK department of drugs and firearms licensing - (Just like your BATF ) are looking to get suppressors unrestricted !
I think this is the perfect lower for the Red Right Hand Recce LMG uppers, and a rare breed.
What happened to the BCM endurance test?
I have been wanting an update to that rifle for a while now, it was an interesting series.
I wish he'd bring it back. I enjoyed it also and I'm tired of seeing the inside of his Teddy K shack lol
The most surprising thing about this video is no suppressor
Right.
Do your part and comment this on every video he makes. The main thing is likely that he doesn't make any money from the BCM series, and he has to pay for ammo.
This with a recce lmg upper from red right hand is chefs kiss. Please desert tech offer these in a low shelf lower that can accept f/a fcg.
Completely useless for me in NJ with the 10rd limit 😞 but I do love seeing the innovation here. Nice review and definitely a step in the right direction for what its trying to accomplish.
I think that is: NJ is totally useless for America.
Maybe in a year or two that 10rd limit will be thrown out
Bought mine from MWS and it is just bad ass. I love it.
Just got mine today. I pre ordered it in October. Luckily, my mags came in a few weeks ago!!
I totally forgot about this coming out until I saw this video. I just ordered one and the extra mag kit with adapter. 😊
getting one tomorrow and the kit; looking forward to this guy
Since the Marine Corps adapted the M27 IAR, maybe they should consider taking the IAR upper and sticking it on a full Auto Quarto 15 lower to fulfill the machine gunner role in a 4 man fireteam.
I'm half tempted to kit out a Quattro 15 with a BRN-4 upper and a binary trigger.
We want BCM endurance test!!!
That's pretty interesting! Thanks Mac for taking the time to do a review on this! I don't know if I'm going to drive up to the shop and order one but it's worth considering!
Thanks for watching!
Great product. Well made. Great show and info.
Thanks, Michael Herrell
Marines could use that for their IAR.
I believe that was the original Idea when DT designed the mag
Thanks for a great and informative video! Very intrigued by this !
A company I worked for ran a few of the prototype lowers in the presses. That was an extremely cool moment.
what? how do you run a lower in a press?
@EgoFiveFiveSix Forged lowers come from a machine that takes a chunk of hot aluminum and uses tons of force (in this case, around 1000 tons) and forces it into shape in a die. I made thousands of lowers and trimmed the flash off of thousands more.
Thanks for the tests, glad to see the Quatro on a main channel
Awesome product and review. I like the idea. Even in a team, say a civilian shtf team, this would have its use for maybe a binary for rifle to act like a budget SAW.
Will you do a snow Gauntlet?
That's actually what I was wondering about. I think in terms of affordability and reliability it might edge out the Fitelite belt fed upper. My only question is since it's 556 based would it work with 300 BLK out?
This is outstanding!!!!
This is perfect timing. I'm starting an AR RPK build and I think this will make the perfect base to start from.
Alright I was really disinterested but they won me over with the video Brown nails 416 upper bypod Build😂
Just Seeing MAC Fire The D60 Was Worth The Price of Admission 😀😇😊😀😊😀😇
*35.6 oz (P-Mag x 2) - 28.7 oz (quad stack mag) = 6.9 oz difference.*
*I often read / hear that 12 magazines is the recommended minimum loadout for situations where you would need such things. As we're comparing 2 standard mags to the quad mag, we'd then divide that in half.*
*So the weight savings of the quad stack mags over the P-Mags is 6 x 6.9 oz = 41.4 oz or a little over 2 1/2 pounds. That's not an insignificant weight savings when ounces feel like pounds while rucking over hard terrain. Hmmmm....they may be on to something.*
Which mag pouches would this product work with?
The only problem becomes how to carry them. I’m not a fan of running two deep on my chest and just spread them out instead (my current setup accommodates 16+). Guess that’s really more of a “me” problem, but I suppose I could find a way around it. Maybe a slung bandolier off to the side or even a belt rig would do the trick, idk. I could definitely see the utility, especially from a stationary, fortified position. In that case, a couple bandoliers should do just fine.
@@captureoutdoormediaBasically any double stack rig without dividers. Heck, you could probably cut or remove the dividers out of most that do have them. 🤷♂️
But as far as mag retention, you’re probably going to be stuck with bungees or velcro/snap/buckle covers.
The weight savings is definitely huge. You can get two extra quad mags for close to the same weight! Or just have more water…or just enjoy being lighter on your feet and expending less energy.
@@jackjohnson291 I've got a couple mag pouches for AR-10 mags that stack two deep. I wear them on a battle belt at around kidney position, left and right. Something like that might work.
Would love to see this kind of system made more reliable and implemented in IAR concepts. Could be the right technological solution to bridge the gap between the assault rifle and the intermediate caliber light machine gun.
It is reliable now. 👍🏻
Tim, get yourself a Hoffman Tactical Super Safety & run it on that lower. I would love to see a video on that.
Very cool concept .
Fightlite mcr upper on that 😮😮
I remember hearing about the prototypes. Will be picking one up. Hope the magazines are reliable. Haven't had much luck with most other quads.
When they vetted the system they did so with harsh conditions and full auto. Even before this video I was going to get one. Hopefully they don't get scarse and go up in price after this video.
Long before this video i have had a ARPK build planned using this lower, 20" HBAR rifle length gas system barrel and binary trigger with a bibod. Only thing im not sure of is whether or not i am going to do a rifle length buffer tube and A1 stock or collapsable stock with A5 buffer system. Should be a fun range toy either way.
Also, i knew this would be reliable because they built it around and tested it full auto.
Great for out at the ranch where you might run out the door in your skivvies in an emergency without an extra mag !😂
Great Show
That was fun just watching you burn rounds off. Neat concept also.
It's admittedly a good looking design and functions well. For the cost though, I'd stay with a standard lower and 40 round pmags if I needed some extra rounds between reloads. Mag pouches seems like they would be a issue aswell.
Next to do is add a binary, then rock and roll!
An frt and a drum is an awesome combo
@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252it most definitely is the way lol.
I say a Hoffman Tactical Super Safety would be 🤌🏼🤌🏼🤌🏼
I think this lower along with a fightlite belt fed upper would be a good match for a civilian version of a stationary gun emplacement
Or the crank equipped grip.
I like the Quattro. Now if someone can make a LMG style barrel change system, you would have yourself a cheep effective full featured LMG 🤔🤔🤔😏😏😏😏😏😏
Think of it more like an RPK.
@@MrCooper89 As it stands now I agree. But I think we can all agree, I need to add one to my collection... that and a gen 12 or 2 lol
Hydra Weaponry has their quick-change uppers. You'd need some way to handle a hot barrel.
Receiver pins. Only thing is that you will need optics for each “barrel”
I have already bought the lower and extra magazines back in January. Only downside is that I don't know of anyone manufacturing a loader to help speed up the loading process like the Maglula Bench Loader.
I seen one at a local gun store yesterday so I had to look it up on RUclips LOL crazy.
I wish they'd make a stubby "20" or flush fit magazine... in fact if they adapted the tech to the big bore AR mags we could get higher capacity in those too [like a 10 shot short mag or a 20/30 shot standard length mag]
Interesting Definitely might be good to look at closer
Idk how much plastic ammo weights or if it would even work but that would make this even more sick
I'd be very interested in some magazine durability testing. To me one of the things making not every mag equal.
DT did drop testing and the mags took it in stride, they have a development vid on why they made them and why they made the design choices.
It would be good as a home defense/clearing/CQB rig on a 10.5" or smaller SBR or pistol. It has a place. I just think it's cool that people are still trying to come up with new ideas for a 60+ year old platform.
What i think it would be good for is a long barrel bipod cover fire type weapon.
This makes the most sense on a 20" upper with a bipod and acog
DT did a good job on this product line.
Got one of these because of the full ambi controls, the QMAGs are a novelty, much like the D60, except I agree with your take, they are extremely functional. The STANAG adapter is awesome as well, and is generally how I will keep my Quattro setup, its easy enough to remove it, and it is designed to interlock with itself when not installed so that it just becomes one piece to keep up with instead of 3. 20/30 rd mags are more prevalent, and they can be reloaded much faster than the QMAGs currently. If someone makes a simple speed loader system for the QMAGs, I might change my mind on the novelty factor of the mags. Also, with the adapter in place, swapping to different caliber uppers is much simpler.
The ambi controls are very well implemented, I do have some mild concerns about replacement parts if the proprietary bolt catch/mag release is damaged, but thats always a concern for proprietary stuff. I am very much considering getting a few additional Quattro receivers, just because of the ambi controls.
I remember Desert Tech has a video talking about the weight reduction these quad mags present. They were even competing for NGSW at some point with polymer case ammo that makes the standard loadout significantly lighter.
Desert Tech said this was designed as part of a NGWS offering.
It was
Interesting
I like it. I may build one if I found those 2 kits on sale.
Hmm... might need to build around one of these.
My Surefire mag is only for play time. It simply malfunctions too often
I can see this being used in the competition world.
Well…. Time to go to the gym
Rifles get lighter, mags get heavier. Trying to load a 60 round mag is bad enough on the fingers
And hit the bank
Just get a pmag drum, costs alot less
It feels the same weight as standard mags in the gun. Only adds 0.68 lbs to the gun weight.
@@NicholasYoungDTYou guys have been impressing me as of late, keep it up.
It seems like a decent solution for a bump in the night type SBR/pistol when you don't want to worry about grabbing an extra magazine. With that in mind, the question becomes: is it compatible and reliable with 300 BLK (subs and supers)?
Probably not…would need stronger springs for added weight of the bullets.
@@jsmorefieldIf you’re using 110-115 gr and accounting for the shortened brass, I’m sure its negligible. I’ve never messed with quad stack mags or drums with 300BLK, so I could be way off base on that.
I think I saw a video on Alabama Arsenal that shot 300 subs and supers through one with no issues.
I see a torture test in this gun's future...at least I hope so. Also, it would be cool to know if it would work with .300 Blackout. Just a thought, but suppressed, it might make the ideal HD weapon. If you can't get it done in your pajamas with 53 rounds of suppressed .300 Black, then you really don't want to be there.
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The AR-platform keeps impressing me.
And just think, many, well, some, felt and thought it had reached its limit. lol
This has nothing to do with the AR, I even think that the ak magazine catch style would be much better, as an adapter would not be necessary
Speaking of Desert Tech, Have you guys tried out their 10/22 bullpup chassis? I'd love to hear your thought on that piece of kit. I really want to build one out with an AB Suppressor barrel.
Please test it out on a 300 Blackout upper.
Pritzker and Newsome’s eyes were twitching and brains were glitching upon release of this combo 😏
Mac please sir can you review the FB Grot?? Especially the bull pub,and if the transforming rifle is practical or an unnecessary gimmick?I think it's gonna blow your mind with it's performance.N
o other you tube gunner has reviewed it and it's the coolest gun to come out maybe ever. Your the man for the job, and my favorite Chanel on you tube.I know their hard to get but you can do it if anyone can. I really believe you'll do the best job on such a game changing Rifle.
Very nice... Now let's see Ken Hackathorn's magazine!
Ken’s right, you don’t need more than 5 or 6 rounds. 😂
He doesn’t even carry a magazine in his guns, “cause when’s the last time he actually needed one?” 🤦♂️
Where's Paul Allen?
When was the last time you needed that AR-15 thang?
- Ken's logic
Wonder how many Beowulf fits in the quad mag or 458 socom
We haven’t tried it
This thing would be an insane host for a RLL . God I hope they get rid of the NFA.
Me, looking at my BCM keymod upper: “it’s ok birdie, I’m gonna take care of you birdie”
Great system, innovative, effective and affordable but ... the conversion kit to standard 30 round mags is far too fiddly, and if you lose that widget for the magazine release you are stuck 😮
On this point DT should come up with something that can be used on the field, and allow fast switching between Quattros and standard magazines without opening the gun and without having to fiddle with the widget.
Interesting. It’s growing on me
im curious to see how reliable the quatro15 is long term
I think a quad stack, like the Surefire or a Magpul P60 magazine that fits in a regular lower, is still a better option. I like options and innovation, so I wouldn't rule out owning one if the magazines proved to hold up over time and stay available and not become a discontinued item in a couple of years.
Hear me out:
This concept + .50 Beowulf + Sbr
B O L T E R
Reviews DT Quattro; fires more rounds out of regular AR mags and D60 then from the Quattro Mag we want to see tested.
Does it work with 458 SOCOM ammo? I’d like a “standard” capacity mag in a big bore AR
should look at the Great Lakes firearms long action ar 10 in 300 win
for civilian it make sense
like rifle will lay in your car or near the bad and it will hold 50+ rounds
and if you will take spare mag it will be 100+ rounds but it will only 1 extra mag vs 2 with 30 rounders(and it will be 90 total as well)
IDK, it's hard to justify a whole new lower that takes proprietary mags when you can use a standard mag well and a Magpul D60 drum mag that takes 60 rounds.
This is the future.
🤣👌
Just did the wait and have one in hand ... the feed lips on the mag give me pause for concern. We will see. Also, make sure you have a STANDARD MIL SPEC take down pin set, as many will not fit. The front take down pin is rather odd. NOTE: Well, first range trip report finds the mags are very tight in the magwell when loaded, feeding issues with a full mag, and when loading the mags you will lose tension from the feed spring and the rounds will drop right out (just tap mags to set the rounds and you will see).
Last round loading. How much pressure?
lol theres a happy man, doing the thing he likes.
I think it would be cool to see an ar 10 version with 40 rounds mags.
My question is will they be making any higher capacity magazines? If these are the same length as the 30 round mags and have a capacity of 53 how many could you squeeze in a quad stack mag that was as long as a standard 40 round PMAG?
The quad stack is supposed to replace 2 standard mags. So you're getting 53 rounds to the 2 standard's 60 rounds.
53 / 60 = 0.883
40 round mag x 2 = 80 rounds
80 rounds x 0.883 = 70.667
At a guess I'd say 68 to 70 rounds in a 40 round mag length. Might get diminishing returns as it gets larger, though.
Do you know if a BAD lever will owrk with it?
I would like to hear more on that Quattro-15 after a 2-5k rounds, & mag changes, with and w/o 30rd adapter?
what scope n "peq" is that? n why not just seal the mag area why is it open? (dirt issue part)
Kel-Tec- we make innovative things that few people buy.
Desert Tech- hold my beer.
I've got surefire 60s. I'm good
Attach a Right Red Hand upper with an FRT or Super Safety and you got yourself an A-RPK for a support role.
It seems reliable and affordable. I like it
I wanna do a .300 BLK suppressed build with a binary or FRT trigger. That would be awesome
Looks like it would be great for home defense.
I would just consider going with the Magpul drum instead of the quatro lower.
Can the mags load .458 SOCOM?