The new 10mm in town! The Stribog SP10A3 - How does it work?
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It's nice to see a 10mm PCC that's reliable with true 10mm power ammo.
The $700 9mm Stribogs were blowback. When they started selling the roller delayed models they were $1000+, so $1300 for 10mm today isn't outrageous.
Perhaps, but when a PCC nears $1500, why not just save for a B&T? I love Grand Power's handguns, but the Stribog has had a lot of teething issues.
It's a what's your budget game?
If you have the money, buy a stribog, if you don't have much get a cheaper pcc , minimal accessories and plenty of ammo and mags.
I've been a poor (500 and under) and made trial by error mistakes.
Fortunately, I can buy upper mid(100-1000) priced guns and make good accessory decisions.
Ngl, I've gotten the itch for 10mm pistols. Personally, I'd get a banshee, but it's a bit rich for my taste.
So does it get 1000fps with federal 10mm like the handguns?
@@joew5792I have learned to use 10mm Magtech for training ammo which will be 1300fps with that barrel length. Then use Underwood for serious use which can be over 2000fps.
Nice 10mm pistol, but If they dont bring that price down they are not gonna sell as much as the 9mm Stribogs.
I've been loving my Banshee 10mm. No mechanical issues. Very accurate. Great ergonomics.
After learning the price on the Stribog, I am leaning hard towards the Banshee.
@@brianwinkler8183 For what it's worth it's got my vote. Big plus - no proprietary mags.
I have a banshee 10mm as well. I shot it side by side with my 10mm Stribog. Both are awesome. I like the feel of the Stribog a bit better. I’m not getting rid of either :-)
Banshee 👍🏻
@@mjohn3006what do you like better? How does the recoil compare?
Ive got stribog taste and hi-point budget 😂
I hear you brother! Me too!😂
You and me both. 😢 😂
😂
Whatever you do don't look up the B&T apc10
@@epapa737 Holy smokes it's $2700 😱💀😭
I think it was IraqVeteran8888 who did a video clip at SHOT at the Grand Power booth several years back when they first came out, and Jaro was there smiling next to him. When Eric pronounced it “Stry - Borg” you could see Jaro visibly flinching. 😂😂😂
I’ve never heard it pronounced by a Slovakian but I feel like if you just stick with pronouncing it like стрибог you’ll be alright
@@Fishlord136slovakian here, use whatever suits you. It was old slavic god of thunder and wind, but most of current population wouldn't recognize the word (unless they are into firearms :) ). Nobody expects say native english speakers to have 100% original pronunciation. But if you care, ie that strybog when pronounced by google translate is matching original (words with "i" and "y" sound the same back home).
love my Stribog, sending regards from Slovakia!!! ❤
Yay for that! I'm glad more manufacturers are supporting 10mm.
It is very interesting that there's a resurgence of the 10mm happening now, I've always thought the 10mm would make for a good PPC due it's power level, I know several guys who use cheap 10mm hipoints to hunt deer with with good results here in KY. I just built an AR in 10mm using glock mags, although I would prefer the Stribog mags for looks. It will be interesting if the Stribog mags end up being the defacto alternative mag to the Glocks and if so if others will make AR lowers for them. I will say building a blowback AR does have the advantage of being cheaper (much cheaper, like $750 less), seemingly fewer reliability issues and the ability to use either 40 or 10mm ammo (the headspace in a blowback gun is not fixed as it is in the Stribog). Of course, the drawback is more felt recoil due to the mass of the bolt/buffer and spring but even then the 10mm isn't quite so back that blowback is that bad.
It would be great if they made a Glock lower for this 10mm because 30rd SGM glock mags are reliable and only $20 per.
@@shawnsanders9450 So far the SGM mags have worked flawlessly in my AR but I'd prefer the look of the straight Stribog mags. I guess owning a 9mm Stribog I'm just partial to the look of the orginal...
The mags are not proprietary the Stribog will take UMP mags
MAC: I suggest we petition Federal to load all 10mm offerings up to a reasonable velocity. Federal’s current 10mm velocities are unacceptable. The SIG ammo would be a good benchmark. 180 gr at 1250fps, warm but not too hot.
Looks like shrinkflation has affected ammo now 😂
magtech is also way hoter than federal
Another quality video. Thanks, Tim and Jason.
been waiting on your take on this MAC
I *REALLY* wanted the Stribog 10 mm when I saw it on the SHOT Show videos this year. I still like a lot of what I'm seeing. Internally, the operation is simple. Given the large size of the chunky bolt, the roller delay system almost looks like a combination of a roller delay and a blow back system. I love the clunky simplicity of it, side ejecting and easily lost roller pin not withstanding.
It's good that they finally got their 20 round magazines to work. Mags are a common source of problems for semi-autos. They could have done themselves and their customers a huge favor by using Glock mags. "Does it take Glock mags?" is a bit of an industry joke, but with good reason. It's not a kindness to force me to buy proprietary magazines that don't fit my other firearms and that simple issue is a strong deterrent to me buying the Stribog.
The price is the other deterrent. I suppose their business guys are looking at this as a profit maximization opportunity. They have a good 10 mm PDW when the market has been begging for something like this and has had a couple of undelivered promises such as the EP10 from Extar. The classic business school lesson is profit maximization. When entering a new market with great demand, sell all you can at $1299, and when that attracts competitors, lower your price accordingly. This is the "whatever the market will bear" marketing strategy. I feel abused as a customer and I don't like that. I don't expect the 10 mm to be the same cost as their 9 mm. There is additional development spread over lower production volume and there is a little more material in the beefier 10 mm version, but it's unreasonable (and a bit abusive) to expect your first hundred customers to pay for the development costs. The 10 mm version should be $100 to $200 more than the 9 mm version. More than that and I feel like a sucker for buying one, no matter how much I want one, and I don't like feeling like a sucker. Even though I'm a dirty capitalist by nature, I resent a manufacturer for selling products for "whatever the market will bear". I suppose it's safe to say, I won't bear it.
:-(
Maybe we can talk PSA into making a 10 mm PDW.
Holy moly that’s a long comment! I’m gonna read the whole thing though, because it looks like you got a lot to get off your chest. Lol
Your price difference was my exact thought when he said “$699 for the 9mm.” I thought he was gonna say like $899 but $1299 is such a shame. It’s like in your face price gouging
I’m honestly sick of Glock mags in everything. I don’t mind a proprietary magazine if it’s not Sig/HK priced. A 30 rd scorpion mag is the same price as a 30rd Glock mag, and I’d rather have the Scorpion mag cuz it’s curved and has a double feed column.
Glock mags are single feed garbage and they look like ass. If you want to use glock mags so badly then buy a glock compatible lower. Also, this gun actually is "$100 to $200" more than the 9mm roller delayed system.
@@danfromthesouth5352 - Yeah. I'm working through some issues. 🙂
Sounds terrific. Nice review. Thanks !
I have had mine for a couple weeks,so far so good
Great video. I still run one of those old bushnell holosights! It's held up for me since the 90s
I'm always eager to explore new firearms, especially in powerful calibers like 10mm. The mechanics behind its operation are fascinating, and this video provides a great insight into how the SP10A3 performs.
I wanted a stribog a3 but the ap1 was on sale so I got it. I was apprehensive to invest in mags given your past videos. I had the opportunity to buy all the stribog mags; straight plastic 30, straight metal reinforced 30, curved 30 and straight 20 round. Shot all fully loaded and had no malfunctions. I keep all fully loaded for a year and no cracking feed lips. It was fun to try. The metal ones are quite revered on reddit and hard to get.
I ran 200 rounds of blazer 180gr range ammo no feed issues
Yep! I have pushed “notify me” for numerous company’s. I will have one when they are available.
Man, I’ve been waiting for this video to drop!
I remember watching Ronin and the German guy Gregor had one of those red dots mounted on his Glock 17L, haven't seen one in years.
Good to see they finally made Stribog in the Loard's caliber
It comes in 357 magnum?
Great video. Thanks.
Got 3 of those holosights! Hush yo mouth! We ain’t old MAC! DAMN IT MAN!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have to use a punch on my SP9A3 as well on the takedown pins. I really want the 10mm SP10A3 and was extremely impressed with how smoothly it shot… perfect pistol for the money.
I got mine a couple months ago. It almost instantly became my favorite 10mm PCC, and one of my favorite PCCs period. I do wish there was a 30 round option. Or it could use my 30 round 10mm MP5 magazines.
Have you tried ump 10mm mags?
@@EvanDickersonM81 no. I don’t have any
Wait-do you actually have an HK MP5 in 10mm? If so, I need to immediately meet you at the range.
I have a 10mm mp5k :-)
Yeah, 30rd UMP 10mm mags are over $100 per. Would be great if they made a glock lower then good SGM 30rd mags are only $20 per.
I love how Karl Brügger strait up says the owner of stribog stole his design with the 9mm blow back stribogs
I drooled over the G40 MOS because of your video in 2015. Its been my bear gun for 4 years. SRO and all
Thank you for talking about 40S&W in this. I emailed Global many times and just silence. Guess I'll pair mine with my Ti-Rant 45M
They don’t want liability if something happens.
Every PCC review I've watched over the past 3years, has been full of commenters sayig they're waiting for the company to offer it in 10mm. Well let's see how well this one does.
Great video
I like it!!! Love my B&T though.
Lovin' mine so far. Also, my rear pin is much easier to get out. Purchased from DK on 02/01.
I think James Reeves interviewed a rep from Grand Power at IWA about this SBR. He was told that the magazines were the same as the H&K UMP. It will accept UMP mags. And, James was informed that a .45 Stribog SP03 is coming soon.
I do mention the mags are UMP based in the video. I know of the 45 but wasn’t sure if I could talk about it yet.
@@Militaryarmschannel The Grand Power rep only mentioned the .45 was still being developed. But, didn't give out any further information.
There is a 10mm ump?
@@10mikemike89yes, there is a UMP 10mm and the 30rd mags are like $120 per magazine. They should have made this as a Glock compatible lower where the 30rd mags are only $20 per magazine
@@10mikemike89 H&K only made the UMP in .40 & .45. There is another company that made a replica for the UMP in 10 mm with a conversion kit. OMEGA GIDEON SHADOW 10MM PISTOL.
Very cool...if i remember right from the shot shpw and iwi videos 45acp is up next....hope that one comes out strong with no issues as well...
Look forward to your review on the SP45A3.
Nice review. I was wondering if you could review the Beretta PMXs. I saw your short and was hoping for a full review. Thanks
Can't wait for Lingle Industrise lower to come out for 10mm/45acp
I agree with you about 10mm. Love it! I'm not spending that on a rifle that I can't afford to shoot and can't find properly loaded ammo for.
Wat?
Pretty sure it takes H&K UMP mags which are made in 30rd but last i checked they are $120 per magazine!
$150… I just ordered 2 from HKParts . This gun is amazing and recoil impulse is extremely pleasant. Only thing missing were the 30 rounders so had to grab em before they are gone.
@@benmorall7664 yeah but thats just nuts on another level. $150 per magazine to have a 30 rounder. Why didn't you just get a CMMG MK10 Banshee which are $20 per 30rd mags.
Always wanted to be a gunsmith/builder. I'm in the process of getting a small business set up. I plan on focusing on ak/comblock style firearms. I hope one day you test one!
I like 10MM very well also this Stribog......Thanks Mac....
Old F-4 Shoe🇺🇸
Love my A2
Will it handle a religious diet of underwood or buffalo bore ammo?
HB industries makes a Zhukov stock adapter, that thing fits good & tight and works great on the Bog.
It's good to see that the Strib is redeeming itself with its newest offerings.
Very nice if im buying a pcc its gonna be in 10mm.
That's why the cz scorpion 9mm mags functions so well
My bushnell holo sight finally died last week. After being on a dozen or so guns for many many rounds.
Thanks again
You’re a little late to this party, but thanks for finally making this video.
Thanks, Tim. Now there’s another gun on my “get list.” I already get flak about how many guns I have!
You can never have too many. 😂
Banshee with Glock 20 mags, AR Lower grips, trigger components compatible. Plus I have the 10 mm Banshee and then bought the 45 acp Banshee upper that takes Glock 21 magazines.
I have a Striborg 9 mm but I like my CZ Scorpion better.
'In for a penny in for a pound' So I bought the A3 Tactical Striborg Lower Reciever. This conversion takes AR-15 drop-in Triggers and AR-15 grips. And it is compatible with CZ Scorpion Magazines including Manticore arms!
So now both my Striborg and CZ use the same magazines.
The old bushy holosight nice touch looks like it belongs 😊
Never really wanted to jump on the 10mm bandwagon due to the cost of ammo and I’m a fan of .357 mag revolvers. This is a game changer for me.
Would you prefer the Stribog or the CMMG?
CMMG
Have a Vector Enhanced with a 6.5 barrel chambered in 10mm. Thing is fun to shoot so 10mm is the way to go if you haven’t tried it
Its funny that people in their 50's consider old, those in their 70's are young.
Could you compare this to the CMMG in 10mm? 😊🙏 Good review as always, thank you!
I want to see that too but the Banshee already wins in magazine cost and compatibility. 30rd 10mm Glock SGM mags are $20. H&K 30rd 10mm mags(what this A3 takes) are $120. That's a whopping $100 per magazine savings for 30rd mags. The 20rd mags they make for this are still more expensive than the SGM 30rd too and I bet the SGM 30rd isn't that much longer then the Stribog 20rd. It was CRAZY for them to use the UMP magazine design.
I would like to see a velocity comparison out of radial delayed blow back system and ar buffer system. Also against a 5 inch pstol.
For those not in the know, the original design standards for 10mm is 200g @ 1250fps. Anything slower is considered an FBI load.
9mm is just .38 Super. Fight me. 😂
I have some 10mm 100gr Lehigh Defense Extreme Defenders I loaded to ~1700fps. 😂
@@martinsonofwar395yeah. That's one of my favorites too.
200gr at 1250fps would be great. That would be some serious power. I know Underwood has some that go over 2000fps in light loads. Very high energy for what it is.
From what i understand that thread pitch on the Stribog isn’t too common. What suppressor set up are you using
10mm has the power of 10mm.
I got a KRISS Vector in 10mm 2 months back, thanks CoD: MW2 for making that gun so cool back in 2009
Which Griffin suppressor are you running? And do you need any special adapter for the 9/16x24 TPI? Thanks! I had just received my 10mm Stribog just before your video post! Great package!
Stribog came out with a 10mm, and grandpower's website says 45 acp is on the way as well. So hopefully (for me at least) 40 s&w will also be on the way.
It's like an inertial roller delay...does that top weight/accelerator pushed forward under spring pressure?
I've been wanting a sub-style 10mm for a long time. Plenty of reliable options for awhile, but none of them had the right aesthetic. I've never thought that magazines canted toward the grip look good (I understand it's usually from pistol mag compatibility). Enter the Stribog. I was pretty excited and got one early on when they were hard to come by. I haven't even shot it yet, I just like to look at it :) Tragic, I know.
Since this is currently the only 10mm magazine pcc magazines know of other than the mp5/10 i wonder if this magazine will gain any popularity in aftermarket for other fireman's, such as a lingle lower for the b&t apc10 to take these mags
I’m waiting on CMMG to put a 10mm out in the Dissent PDW. I’ve got the 9mm, 300 blk out and 6arc. Will you ever finish your review of the CMMG in 300 blk out?
Federal needs to load 10mm range ammo a little hotter
I have yet to shoot a Pcc, other than a HiPoint Carbine (its not even mine). So have nothing to compare it to, but for $350. it is a brick, and capacity, aesthetics, and ergo's, all suck, however it runs like mad, with everything you throw at it. plus it has won several competitions (not me), when other PCc's couldn't keep up, without problems. However, if I were to be able too afford a PCC. I personally want the Stribog oor an Extra EP99 as my first Pcc/Pdw
this is the modern alaskan bush gun
Perfect truck gun
I put an XD 10mm in a MCK chassis, and it runs.
Tim...looking at Global's website they have an impressive like of sa pistols, do you have any of them or videos on any of them...
I paid $950 for the roller delayed sp9A3 so the 10mm isn’t that far off since it’s also the roller delayed version
Like most 10mm range ammo, that ammo is about 100fps faster than 40sw range ammo.
10mm has potential.
But most manufacturers don''t use it.
I can’t wait for the 45ACP😜😎
You know how cool a real deal SD version of the Stribog would be?
More power More money
That build really seems to lessen the recoil of a 10 mm. Nice
Does the lower take standard (Geissele) triggers?
What supressor are you using? It sounds very good
which optic and mount does he have on it the second half of the video?
This vs the CMMG banshee… which wins?
CMMG, you won’t need a punch and hammer😂 They are awesomeness, soft shooting and all metal.
i measured S&B FMJ and Magtech FMJ its 530 vs 670foot-pound and Federal is even less then S&B. So S&B is very weak, Magtech is okay. But we dont get hoter loads here in Europe and therefore 10mm is not very popular. And Magtech is also hard to get here.
If they can make 40 sbr, intriguing...
Looking for a 10mm pdw.... wish cmmg had a descent in 10mm bcuz the banshee has the buffer tube which isn't few pdw like
I'd be curious to see you fire that with a chronograph.
Thanks for the video! Could we get a (subjective) evaluation of the felt recoil of the Stribog vs the CMMG Banshee vs straight blow-back AR 10mm vs DI AR 10mm (if you've had the pleasure of firing one)? I have a 16" DI 10mm upper from Macon Armory, but thinking about picking up either a Banshee or the Stribog for something a little shorter.
There is a DI 10mm? What's that like? Do they make like a 7"-10" barrel version? DI is a very soft recoiling system. Its why 9mm blowback literally has more recoil than 5.56 DI.
@@shawnsanders9450 there isn’t a DI 10mm manufactured and available at retail, but you can order an upper be built by a few places. I had mine done by Rudy at Macon Armory, there is also RMW Xtreme and The AR Guy. They offer other (pistol) calibers as well.
@@johnnyk5 is there a 10mm DI barrel you can point me to somewhere between 8-10" with a pistol length gas port and a 10mm bolt that goes into a standard AR carrier? At point I can just build my own. Really wondering if hot 10mm makes enough gas to cycle DI. I'm actually interested. I can see anemic 10mm not working but as long as the hotter FMJ target loads work and Underwood and Liberty hot duty/hunting ammo works i will build me a cool 10mm pistol or SBR.
@@shawnsanders9450 I can’t point you to any off-the-shelf DI barrels, but the bolt is a standard 6.8/224 Valkyrie.
@@johnnyk5 no shit on the bolt? That's interesting.
I’m sold. Now if I could find one. Plenty of 9mm, no 10mm that I can find so far.
Why no chrono test out of the longer barrel? Or thats gonna be a new video?
Mac, Is it an actual AR trigger that they use? If so, any issues installing a replacement trigger?
It does use AR triggers
Aero survival rifles are good in 9 and 10 mm for a pcc if u dont mind a buffer tube
Direct blowback = 💩
when does the 40 s&w come out?
I want one.
How do you like the garmin chrono?
So it doesn't like low-power 10mm; but what about high power loads like Buffalo Bore? Is it safe to shoot high end 10mm rounds in a Stribog?
Careful, the F5 owner likes to fight on the interwebs😂
One of these companies need to make a 7.5 FK offering