The "military version" of the Gilboa Snake started out as a technology demonstrator. It was intended to show off the performance of their proprietary recoil system and their engineering capabilities. They showed it off and discovered there was a market for it
Tri-Barrelled FAMAS? Wow, that breezed by way too quickly, 1980's sci-fi action movie armourers would have killed for one of those to put in Robocop 27 or whatever
It’s noticeably more different than the average military→civilian market change though. For most ARs that have both, the difference is essentially the trigger group not having any auto/burst options. Everything else is more or less identical. This has a completely different gas system, stock, ergonomics etc.
@@randombloke82 I as a european thought, that only the burst/auto fire is removed in such case. Why do they change any other part? Maybe some materials are not as durable in the civilian version? Can you guys help me in this in a short answer?
A counter argument to the civilian version having separate gas blocks and buffer tubes is it makes it much more serviceable to the owners. If gilboa stops supporting it after a few years, any breakage would be extremely difficult to fix, but universal parts means easier servicing and better aftermarket support.
Or because with two triggers you cannot guarantee you pull them both at exactly the same time. So if you fire one and then the piston is actuated you will be firing the other round straight out of the ejection port… or maybe it doesn’t cycle right… or maybe, if it is perfectly timed, you could ignite the other round just as the bolt becomes unlocked somehow and you get an out of battery detonation. But this gun would be pretty spicy if you combined it with two RDIASs.
Another potential reason due to the separate firing triggers: not enough pressure from a single round to drive two actions. Or that you would eject an unused round if both chambers are loaded. Basically, if you can't fire both barrels with one trigger, you don't want the systems tied to each other.
@Bigfoot42 the main reason for two triggers is that firearm laws in America say that if more than one round is fired when the trigger is pulled its full auto. So even though only one bullet is leaving each barrel, it's two bullets total, and the atf could argue its full auto and have the gun be banned. It's stupid but that's the atf for ya.
@@jaredbaker5447 It is not actually the law, but companies think it might be and dont want to risk it. There have been numerous volley fire guns that are not classed as machine guns when the fire 2+ rounds from a single trigger pull, most commonly older stuff and antiques but even newer guns like the god awfull Thunderstruck.
@@commando552 Will point out that a lot of older models are grandfathered or simply unknown to the ATF for them to classify them as such. They're not a consistent organisation when it comes to applying their own rules.😊
Alright, look here, Ian. You are now obligated to do whatever it takes to get your hands on that tri-barrel FAMAS. If sacrifices are to be made, understand that they are necessary.
As a mechanic working in rustlandia i am amazed when gun youtubers remove frickin m5 screws easily and without snapping them, and all the parts slid past each other without seizing.
Ian looked at a lot of historical guns in the past, I assume not breaking anything was always quite high on his priority list when dissassembling guns.
There is some part of me that wants to say that this is silly, then there's another part that says "this weighs 5.6lbs less than an m249 and the replacement barrel is already attached.
Very much this. And it gives you mag interchangeability with the squad, a common manual of arms between rifles and LMGs and also some parts commonality and quicker reload while sacrificing only some capacity (60 vs 100). Makes one wonder why the actual fuck it isn't the common practice instead of being anexotica.
@@BluntEversmoke Don't even have to lose the capacity, 50 round mags exist, they're issued their own belts now, it would be perfectly doable to issue larger mags. The M249 does have a magwell to take standard mags if necessary though so the mag interchangeability is already there. The issue would be sustain, since both barrels shoot at the same time, and I assume the fire rate is roughly similar to an M4 (but firing 2 rounds per cycle), so you'd run them dry twice as often, and not actually get the benefit of less barrel wear. You'd have to reduce the fire rate somehow to half and make them fire staggered. In order to do that it would increase the weight from the single piston military pattern somewhat since a second piston would be necessary, but that wouldn't weigh 5 pounds. But at least in that pattern if you were trying to sustain you wouldn't have to be concerned about the gas tube. The idea has potential, I could definitely see it with some tweaks.
@@Appletank8 I believe so, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it seems very doable for the snake to be a lighter squad automatic. I just say "somehow" because I don't know enough about the mechanics of doing that.
@@BluntEversmokeBecause you get all that just by having a SAW based on your service rifle that only has one barrel too, and then you don’t have to make your soldiers have to basically lug around 2 rifles for the capability of one.
Regarding why it has two buffer tubes and two gas blocks: I believe the true reason is entirely because it has two triggers. If it had one gas and recoil system then both bolts would always reciprocate at the same time. Meaning if one of two triggers is pulled, only one round would go off and eject an empty casing, while a live round is ejected out the other side. I cound also see it benefiting as a sort of safety system for the two triggers so if you tried to pull both triggers at once, and are off by fraction of a second, there isn't a risk of out of battery from the second hammer dropping while the action is in motion.
What seems absolutely absurd, is that they could have easily have manufactured simply custom triggers to have the two triggers jog closer together, either towards the center, or simply jog the left trigger to be right beside the right trigger. Yes, you'd likely want to incorporate some sort of bearing to keep the off-axis forces on the trigger from impeding trigger function substantially, but that's what this rifle "needs". And simply making unique offset triggers (and I mean just the trigger itself, not the trigger assembly) seems like something easy to spin up locally here in the US to avoid compliance issues... And as said before, technically they could simply manufacture new/custom "left triggers" and leave the right trigger completely stock. Seems like there's a large opportunity for the aftermarket, and I'd think anyone dropping $2,200+ on an AR wouldn't mind spending another $100-200 (grossly overpriced, massive profits, like what you'd need to justify a low volume item like this) to make the trigger system more logical.
I would have thought the G11 was the best known firearm that allowed multiple rounds to fire before the recoil kicked in, with it's 3 round burst function. I know it wasn't fielded, but it's a weapon that was shown in various movies and because of it's use of an unusual front loading, 50 round magazine that used caseless ammunition; is often brought up in conversations about interesting firearms. It's also the only firearm that is loaded by winding it like a jewellery box, that has a spinning ballerina...
Youre not wrong. I think, if i may offer my theory, is that the G-11's triple shot feature is overshadowed by its other novel attributes like its look, clockwork action, and caseless ammunition. I often forget that it even has a burst fire mode. Meanwhile, the AN94 is famous for its ability to give a two shot burst before the recoil has kicked in too much
After watching Ian explaining the various Rube Goldberg schemes for firing multiple rounds at once, I was reminded of Aperture Science. “We fire the whole bullet. That’s 65% more bullet per bullet.” Maybe not coincidentally, the animation for that shows two rounds being fired at once out of twin barrels. If “launched by a spring” is really firing a round.
The original concept was 2 bullets to be fired with one trigger and ATF put the Kibosh on that so it became 2 triggers, which made the concept even worse…1 trigger would have been a fun novelty. This information about the triggers was directly from the director of sales of Gilboa at the time.
For the triggers? Not sure how that's supposed to work but you need a solid linkage to make the triggers pull simultaneously. Welding a ribbed plate between them would be suitably stiff.
Really like that the gun allows the user to regulate the barrels on their own for different loadings, I wish more double barreled shotguns and rifles were like that!
If they would have integrated the 2 triggers closer together (essentially side by side, nearly touching), this could have much more closely emulated the experience of the military version. With the 2 triggers so far apart, it appears to make it much more difficult to use it as originally intended.
Wouldn't you want both to be either AP or Hollow Point? Since if you're expecting to fight through body armor. Having 2 AP hit around the same spot is better. And visa versa if you're not expecting body armor.
There is a physical effect called constructive interference that gets VERY destructive when two bullets hit close by at nearly the exact same time. WAY more than twice the damage to plates or tissue.
On plates that are not solid steel . On something with a greater mass, it will make little to no difference. On soft or brittle ceramic plates - hell yeah. Just think of 2 of those gel block temporary cavities an inch apart 🤯🤮☠️
I would love to see this concept combined with an Echo trigger system. Having a single trigger operating one barrel on the pull and the other barrel on the release would go even further to skirt the ATF on fast firing ARs and would also allow for thinner profile barrels since their respective rate of fire would be halved as opposed to the military model.
I love how the gun has all these fancy adjustment features to get the barrels and sights and everything tuned in exactly how you want, and then it's still functionally impossible to make use of any of it because there's not practical way to ensure you're hitting both triggers at the exact same time, since they aren't mechanically linked.
If it wasn't heresy, you just know there'd be a budget hellgun equivalent made of two Lascarbines side by side. But only Space Marines can innovate and get away with it.
idk why im so surprised to see warhammer 40k references here... but could you imagine ian doing a video talking about bolters? how wierd would that be...
@@crustybomb115 There have been more than a few wh40k comments on Ian's videos. And honestly my thought was "Oh, first large combi-weapon!" And then Ian proceeds to talk for 5 minutes about all the other combi-weapons.
my first thought was actually that you could just run one side, and have an entire spare ar15 with you at all times in case of the one side becoming inoperable. in terms of insane prepper guns, I feel like it's got a purpose there.
i think a system like this can be handy in a pinch, if it get jammed, you have another barrel to shoot from with its own trigger, as opposed to try and unjam it.
yeah when he was explaining the trigger i was laughing, the thing is like 5 seconds away from being illegal. but ian is a respectable gentleman he didn't want to say the quiet part out loud
As someone who owns no guns, and has no real shooting experience, might there be an argument for using one side of the gun as your default rifle, and using the other side as your backup weapon? Kinda like the stereotypical game tip of "it is quicker to change to your sidearm than reload your rifle"? I realize that most people are far better at shooting with one hand than the other, but could the time saved be worth it? Alternately, are there different enough ammunition types that there could be a point in loading one magazine with one type, and the other with some other type? Like, if it had been a shotgun, load one side with bird-/buckshot, and the other side with slug? PS. Even if it is not practical, it definitely wins the "rule of cool" prize in my book
While I see the legal difficulty, would it not be fairly easy to make a Y-shaped trigger where the finger pulled the bottom part of the Y and the the two upper arms of the Y operated both hammers?
With 2 triggers and buffer tubes, it really does seem like a novelty. Would absolutely love to see if you could get your hands on a military one, that fire control group must be quite interesting
Another reason for the two buffers may be that no matter what you pulling two triggers will result in small differences in the timing of the two chambers firing. You wouldn’t want to shoot the left barrel with the spring half compressed already
The results of the multiple berrel rifles hit probability. Was magnified optics, increased rifle accuracy, and increased ammunition accuracy. The soldiers and the single berrel were found unwanting. Infact. When magnified optics were issued to 1 Marine platoon and were engaged in combat. An investigation into all the headshots from the Marines was instigated. Now all have them.
Italy did this first with the Villar Perosa. That's why they didn't try again during the Cold War, they already knew it was a stupid idea. But everyone else thought they were better... And Italy laughed.
@@kesmeseker9593Well, it was mounted to WW1 aircraft, which were little more than fancy flying tents. You don't need a large caliber to bring one of those down, especially not at the ranges that air combat was fought at the time.
Intelligence tells you, you can do it. Wisdom tells you why you shouldn't. Charisma tells you to just sell it to an American. This is one of those times.
I love it when youtubers do the ad in a different place/different shirt or something so you know where to skip to by hovering over the progress bar. I appreciate you Ian
@@SixTough They don't bother me, I never said they did. I have no problem with youtubers having sponsors because I can just skip the sponsor read. And it's nice when they make it easy for you.
What you just said is like thanking a street musician for putting out a donation cup, and, after the performance is over, donate nothing while walking away with a dollar in your hand…
With the twin .50 cals on a WWII B-17 tail gun, each barrel had a muzzle device to keep the expelled gases from destabilizing the bullet of the other barrel. Not seeing that here. Needed or not?
Shame we only have access to the civvie version: The military version with a single trigger and all it's extra features does actually sound like a practical idea. 5.56 doesn't kick particularly hard so firing twice instantly with a single trigger pull has all sorts of potential. I'd rather have a switch controlling which side was firing as opposed to two barrels. Sure it'd just be a 60 round AR but a lot less awkward than trying to pull two triggers at once.
Funny way of bruteforcing a double shot "We have AN-94 at home" indeed This looks like a borderlands 2 gun made by VLADOFF, probably more than the double barrel SVDs and triple barrel AKs in that game So, to summarize, the answer to the question in the video name is "YES"
Back when us left-handed shooters had to use brass deflectors on the M-16, I would have like to have tried one of the mirrored bolts with a milled out left side ejection port. I bet it would have saved me some neck burns.
You could theoretically cross the gas tubes to go from one gun to the other remove the trigger mechanism from the left side and just have a hammer with a disconnector and a select fire trigger on the right side, and you would either have two round, burst or full auto firing from alternate barrels
I would love for you to finally find the military version to do a video on AND shoot. Apparently the SAS used/uses/trialed the military version and were loving it apparently from what I read, even using it in legit combat situations by using extreme volumes of fire for ambushes and various other tactics. When I first saw this years back I didn't think much of it past a gimmick, but I had no idea at the time there was a military version that was different and much more desireable. You can imagine this with the single trigger, thinner nicer stock and short barrels would actually be pretty cool. I would love to see some videos on that version. I have no idea if all the hype is real with that one.
As the video went on and I learned more about this monstrosity, the more intense my emotions regarding it got. And I still have no idea what to call those emotions, but boy are they strong.
"Maybe with enough practice, use of the middle finger, that sort of thing" So...get my middle finger all warmed up driving through traffic before the range then?
16:03 Additionally, a single recoil system would require both actions to cycle. So if only one trigger were pulled, both actions would cycle, and a live round would be ejected from the action which didn't fire. Since it seems hard to pull both triggers at once, having a shared recoil system would result in a lot of ammunition being spilled on the ground.
I think the irreconcilable problem with this idea is getting both barrels pointing the same direction and get them to stay pointing the same direction even under all the stress of transport and combat. Those big hunting "double rifles" are so expensive because it's such a fine art to get those two barrels to remotely co-align and even then they're only good for relatively short range of 100 yards and they're very VERY closely held together along their entire length. In fact, the two barrels firing simultaneously is likely to cause harmonic interference so that it will change to POI... but when you look at the target trying to use a barrel alignment mechanism you will see two bullet holes, which bullet came from which bore? Even if that can be solved, if one fires only slightly before the other it'll be caught in the shockwave of the other. They may fire simultaneously on a nice cozy dry range, but in any real-world conditions what chance have you got? So this may have such a poor detriment on accuracy that it wipes out any theoretical advantage in fire rate. The Ultimax weighed only 600g more and could effectively fire continually at cyclic rate with excellent accuracy. I think the US military has determined the best way to increase chance of hitting is not shooting faster but just training riflemen to - you know - be competent marksmen. If anything helps that it's better optics and lower weight, a 4.3kg base weight is not conducive to that.
Just don’t co-align them and let them fire straight. The separation between the barrels are less than your height over bore. Then only load one at once for alignment testing. And ideally, make a trigger mechanism so that pulling the trigger fires one barrel, and releasing fires the second. And if full auto is an option, just stagger the mechanisms.
@@Chroniclerope Height over bore does not cause increased dispersion at distance. Height over bore is actually good for "battle sight" accuracy as the sight line intersects more closely with the trajectory at the apogee where the relative change in height over distance is least. But for misaligned barrels if the two bullets group 4 inches apart at 100m then they'll be 8 inches apart at 200m, 12 inches apart at 300m, etc. "Just have to pull shoot one barrel and release shoots the other barrel" That is just replicating the function of a binary trigger which you do not need 2 barrels for, the whole point of two barrels is they fire simultaneously. But getting them to co-align when firing simultaneously will not be easy nor reliable.
@@davidbanan.If by "locked to burst" you mean "has only 3-round burst but no full-auto", then yes, it was army variant of M16A2 (marines had it with full-auto capability).
Does a three round burst legally have to stay that way, guess I'd get one for the investment but I want select fire. 3 shot burst was hated by everyone from the troops to Stoner himself and especially gunsmiths. I'd go for stacked, side by side seems like a novelty item but stackek would be dope.
I did not know of the examples cited but the Gilboa Snake's configuration did conjure up the Villar Perosa Double Machine Gun in my mind. Very intriguing design. Sighting adjustment reminds me of harmonizing guns on a WWII fighter aircraft. I suppose maintenance is the equivalent of cleaning two firearms simultaneously. 😏 Thanks for the very enjoyable video!
Ah yes, the gun that solves the problem of ejecting spent casings in left-handed people's face by ejecting spent casings in everyone's face.
lol
😃
...and doubling feed issues.
I think that would mostly only apply if it was a bullpup, but yeah ur gonna hit *someone* with those casings
Modern problems require modern solutions.
I am surprised that Ian actually managed to say "tri-barrelled FAMAS" without breaking into uncontrolled salivation.
Or giggle.
There's no proof he didn't in another take though. Or even many takes, but this is the one where he didn't.
Visibly. 🤣
He is fortunately not the Homer Simpson of guns.
He's gun jesus, he could just turn 3 baguettes and 2 french fries into any gun he want.
I read "salvation" and was disappointed when it wasn't the case
2-gun match with it and the *double-barrelled 1911* when? 😁
This would be great 😂
You four gun match...
@@harveynailbanger , 😂
Is there a holster for that 1911? Would be so funny looking!
Dystopian future where you need two simultaneous bullets to incapacitated a Sci-fi soldier.
The "military version" of the Gilboa Snake started out as a technology demonstrator. It was intended to show off the performance of their proprietary recoil system and their engineering capabilities. They showed it off and discovered there was a market for it
Full gauge double feed auto lock. I call it Vera.
Military version: interesting advancements in mechanical design
Civilian version: two AR’s duct-taped together.
ATF: "Yeah I'm banning both"
fitting because some duct tape and a popsicle stick would absolutely solve the two-trigger problem 100%!
@@MegaZeta It's probably based and doublepilled
…aaaannd the civillian version is cheaper, easier to maintain, and more reliable.
A "military version" is more than often usually the cheapest one rather than the most advanced one.
Tri-Barrelled FAMAS? Wow, that breezed by way too quickly, 1980's sci-fi action movie armourers would have killed for one of those to put in Robocop 27 or whatever
Look up the TKB-059
@@jackmcslay Korobov was the greatest madman ever
Triple barreled FAMAS, or "How to deplete the unit's supply of 5.56mm in one day"
@@PhoenixOfArcadia And the enemy of every last liter of blood. 😆
Didn't Duke Nukem have something similar?
Haha that's so silly the civilian market is so wacky...
>"this is a civilian version, different from the military pattern..."
WHAT
It’s noticeably more different than the average military→civilian market change though. For most ARs that have both, the difference is essentially the trigger group not having any auto/burst options. Everything else is more or less identical. This has a completely different gas system, stock, ergonomics etc.
I wonder what happens when the mil version has a failure to extract
@@randombloke82 I as a european thought, that only the burst/auto fire is removed in such case. Why do they change any other part? Maybe some materials are not as durable in the civilian version? Can you guys help me in this in a short answer?
@@akusav333Ian literally explained the reasons for the multiple changes on this gun in the video...
It is not, and never has been in service.
Just a whaky manufacturer.
A counter argument to the civilian version having separate gas blocks and buffer tubes is it makes it much more serviceable to the owners. If gilboa stops supporting it after a few years, any breakage would be extremely difficult to fix, but universal parts means easier servicing and better aftermarket support.
Or because with two triggers you cannot guarantee you pull them both at exactly the same time. So if you fire one and then the piston is actuated you will be firing the other round straight out of the ejection port… or maybe it doesn’t cycle right… or maybe, if it is perfectly timed, you could ignite the other round just as the bolt becomes unlocked somehow and you get an out of battery detonation.
But this gun would be pretty spicy if you combined it with two RDIASs.
Another potential reason due to the separate firing triggers: not enough pressure from a single round to drive two actions. Or that you would eject an unused round if both chambers are loaded.
Basically, if you can't fire both barrels with one trigger, you don't want the systems tied to each other.
@Bigfoot42 the main reason for two triggers is that firearm laws in America say that if more than one round is fired when the trigger is pulled its full auto. So even though only one bullet is leaving each barrel, it's two bullets total, and the atf could argue its full auto and have the gun be banned. It's stupid but that's the atf for ya.
@@jaredbaker5447 It is not actually the law, but companies think it might be and dont want to risk it. There have been numerous volley fire guns that are not classed as machine guns when the fire 2+ rounds from a single trigger pull, most commonly older stuff and antiques but even newer guns like the god awfull Thunderstruck.
@@commando552 Will point out that a lot of older models are grandfathered or simply unknown to the ATF for them to classify them as such. They're not a consistent organisation when it comes to applying their own rules.😊
Alright, look here, Ian. You are now obligated to do whatever it takes to get your hands on that tri-barrel FAMAS. If sacrifices are to be made, understand that they are necessary.
As a mechanic working in rustlandia i am amazed when gun youtubers remove frickin m5 screws easily and without snapping them, and all the parts slid past each other without seizing.
Ian looked at a lot of historical guns in the past, I assume not breaking anything was always quite high on his priority list when dissassembling guns.
@@termitreter6545 I think the joke went over your head.
@@termitreter6545Woosh... 🙄
Kel-Tec must dream of getting this designer on their team.
Me an Israeli: South Africa is more known for wacky designs.
Me after reading the above: Yeah, Keltec will give everyone a run for their money!!
@@AntonAdelson Kel-Tech is Florida Men making guns
@@EnderPearlRs yeah i was quite surprised when i found out kel-tec operates out of my home state, what wacky firearms...
@@spacecatsftw Fellow Florida Man👊
@@EnderPearlRs florida woman but yeah
There is some part of me that wants to say that this is silly, then there's another part that says "this weighs 5.6lbs less than an m249 and the replacement barrel is already attached.
Very much this. And it gives you mag interchangeability with the squad, a common manual of arms between rifles and LMGs and also some parts commonality and quicker reload while sacrificing only some capacity (60 vs 100).
Makes one wonder why the actual fuck it isn't the common practice instead of being anexotica.
@@BluntEversmoke Don't even have to lose the capacity, 50 round mags exist, they're issued their own belts now, it would be perfectly doable to issue larger mags. The M249 does have a magwell to take standard mags if necessary though so the mag interchangeability is already there.
The issue would be sustain, since both barrels shoot at the same time, and I assume the fire rate is roughly similar to an M4 (but firing 2 rounds per cycle), so you'd run them dry twice as often, and not actually get the benefit of less barrel wear. You'd have to reduce the fire rate somehow to half and make them fire staggered. In order to do that it would increase the weight from the single piston military pattern somewhat since a second piston would be necessary, but that wouldn't weigh 5 pounds. But at least in that pattern if you were trying to sustain you wouldn't have to be concerned about the gas tube.
The idea has potential, I could definitely see it with some tweaks.
@@AmaraTheBarbarian A lot of those multi-barreled AA guns seem to fire staggered, don't they?
@@Appletank8 I believe so, I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it seems very doable for the snake to be a lighter squad automatic. I just say "somehow" because I don't know enough about the mechanics of doing that.
@@BluntEversmokeBecause you get all that just by having a SAW based on your service rifle that only has one barrel too, and then you don’t have to make your soldiers have to basically lug around 2 rifles for the capability of one.
Standard issue for all GDI Mammoth Tank crewmen
The Soviets did it first for their Heavy Tank crewman. It was just two AK74U's welded together, but it was cheap
"Yo dawg, I heard you like ARs15. So we put an AR15 in your AR15!"
Ah, Classic Meme, *sips appreciatiably*
behold: ar30
@@Eradicator_MkIV matter of fact, armalite (modern day armalite, not the one from the 60s) made a bolt action with that name
Regarding why it has two buffer tubes and two gas blocks: I believe the true reason is entirely because it has two triggers. If it had one gas and recoil system then both bolts would always reciprocate at the same time. Meaning if one of two triggers is pulled, only one round would go off and eject an empty casing, while a live round is ejected out the other side.
I cound also see it benefiting as a sort of safety system for the two triggers so if you tried to pull both triggers at once, and are off by fraction of a second, there isn't a risk of out of battery from the second hammer dropping while the action is in motion.
AR-15 + AR-15 = AARR-30
Surprised that pirates didn’t buy a lot of AARR-30s.
A2R2-30
@@IamOutOfNames Even better
Did the maths, this checks out
AARP?
what it really needs is a massive, counter rotating dual feed drum thing.
A pair of mirrored snail drums
A pair of Beta C-mags?
Glad i'm not the only one who thought abot this
What about binoculars as an optic? You could zero each eye to each barrel. :D
@@SkorpychanOr surefire mags?
The shop I worked at had one of these sitting on the wall for *years*. It was one of 2 rifles that sat on the shelf through the pandemic.
What was the other?
Or two of three, depending on how you look at it.
I would've bought it.
What seems absolutely absurd, is that they could have easily have manufactured simply custom triggers to have the two triggers jog closer together, either towards the center, or simply jog the left trigger to be right beside the right trigger. Yes, you'd likely want to incorporate some sort of bearing to keep the off-axis forces on the trigger from impeding trigger function substantially, but that's what this rifle "needs". And simply making unique offset triggers (and I mean just the trigger itself, not the trigger assembly) seems like something easy to spin up locally here in the US to avoid compliance issues... And as said before, technically they could simply manufacture new/custom "left triggers" and leave the right trigger completely stock. Seems like there's a large opportunity for the aftermarket, and I'd think anyone dropping $2,200+ on an AR wouldn't mind spending another $100-200 (grossly overpriced, massive profits, like what you'd need to justify a low volume item like this) to make the trigger system more logical.
I would have thought the G11 was the best known firearm that allowed multiple rounds to fire before the recoil kicked in, with it's 3 round burst function. I know it wasn't fielded, but it's a weapon that was shown in various movies and because of it's use of an unusual front loading, 50 round magazine that used caseless ammunition; is often brought up in conversations about interesting firearms. It's also the only firearm that is loaded by winding it like a jewellery box, that has a spinning ballerina...
Youre not wrong. I think, if i may offer my theory, is that the G-11's triple shot feature is overshadowed by its other novel attributes like its look, clockwork action, and caseless ammunition. I often forget that it even has a burst fire mode. Meanwhile, the AN94 is famous for its ability to give a two shot burst before the recoil has kicked in too much
Wonder what tune the ballerina would have danced to?
After watching Ian explaining the various Rube Goldberg schemes for firing multiple rounds at once, I was reminded of Aperture Science. “We fire the whole bullet. That’s 65% more bullet per bullet.” Maybe not coincidentally, the animation for that shows two rounds being fired at once out of twin barrels. If “launched by a spring” is really firing a round.
If you use really shitty ammo you could technically get a quad feed 😂😂😂
Ah yes, the Elbonian approach to hyperbursting.
*MLG jam clearing*
@@no1DdC Elbonian Hyperburst is actually my new band name.
Someone _finally_ makes a nice left-handed AR :-D
...and it's got a bastard conjoined RH twin :-/
There have been left-handed ARs for decades! Stag Arms made them starting in the 2000s
Just don’t be wrong handed
@@11aaguilar They still do, last I checked.
True ambi
Looks like you're stuck playing Counter Strike my friend.
That or what 11aaguilar said. :-P
I'm getting flashbacks to the fighter jet-decepticons from 1985 for some reason, and the blaster cannons they had slung parallel to their forearms.
The civilian version is cool because it can operate 2 different types of bullets without the need to change the magazine
Oh yes the ancient quadruple feed mechanism
The original concept was 2 bullets to be fired with one trigger and ATF put the Kibosh on that so it became 2 triggers, which made the concept even worse…1 trigger would have been a fun novelty.
This information about the triggers was directly from the director of sales of Gilboa at the time.
It seems pretty straightforward to be a volley fire gun, like that 22 mag revolver. Guess being semi auto scares people
I would love for more volley fire guns. Only,i wonder what they could do that others cannot. Just to justify a Pieper Volley Rifle replica.
Which is odd because they didn't say shit about the AF2011A1 double 1911
@@hehitmewiththatalphabetsou3337 It looks like a grandpa gun, less threatening.
You know Bubba with a welder did it.
I’m sure anyone who has one of these immediately went to the store and found some heat shrink tubing to put on the triggers to unitize them
your dog will hate you for this
@@rmhaven142 I don’t have one! Lol
@@thedumbguncollector5546 then you dodged a bullet right there!
@@rmhaven142Or rather two bullets.
You guys have the worst solutions, how is that supposed to work? You realize tubes are flexible right?
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For the triggers? Not sure how that's supposed to work but you need a solid linkage to make the triggers pull simultaneously. Welding a ribbed plate between them would be suitably stiff.
$0.05 ziptie 😂
Hahahahahhahahahah
here in the heck are you still getting hose clamps for under a buck? with these bidenomics I haven't seen a hose clamp that cheap in a few years...
jUsTaSGooOd!
really glad somebody finally went over the function of this thing, its been basically just shooting videos until now.
Ah, finally, AR-30
*ARAR-30
At least it doesn't have two forward assists.
😂
they could do twice the nothing
Cornershot is one of the guns I'd been hoping to see Ian review for a while. But this also was a really cool episode
It was a great sequence in Wanted when the corner shot came out.
Kitty Cornershot it the best Cornershot.
It is a Cornershot that comes with a specially crafted plush cat to conceal the end of the barrel.
"To my mind the practical thing to do with this--" Let me stop you right there man.
"It's just a way to get more projectiles down range and increase your chances of a hit. "
Shotguns: Are we a joke to you?
Ian.. Always a wealth of knowledge, thank you , not a gun owner, but love your videos. Especially the break downs, thank you again
Hold my beer, and hand me my duct tape.
"watch this"
I've been practising using my middle finger a lot lately, knew it would come in handy 😊
exactly what I was thinking. some ductape or a bent up piece of wire hanger to link the triggers and your golden.
@@curtisbrown547 I think he's talking about duct taping his two AR's together
@@galaxyproductions2076 I hope not
Waits impatiently for the range test…
Really like that the gun allows the user to regulate the barrels on their own for different loadings, I wish more double barreled shotguns and rifles were like that!
Moe: "And that's how, with a few minor adjustments, you can turn a regular gun into five guns."
Gonna run this as my primary and start saving up for a AF2011A1 for my sidearm
You see, Ivan. Double the barrel, double the bullet, double the damage.
Sounds like an infomercial
@@blackcountrymeNow that’s a lot of DAMAGE!
double the barrel, double the fun!
Double the damage... to your wallet.
Have one point backward, now you shoot two directions in once da? Also cancels recoil!
Ah yes, the fully semi-automatic double-barreled 30-round clips.
*magazines 🤓
yeah better edit the clips to mags before you get 500 comments from gun expert
For double the "assault!" (ATF!)
@Pickelhaube808 the point where the joke went over the head
@@Pickelhaube808... You realise clips was a deliberate ATF joke?
KelTec designer on seeing this: *does spit-take*, "somebody hold my beer, I mean my mirror and dollar"
KelTec ain't bumping rails with a dollar.
Ah yes, the real life Storm Bolter
Was looking for this comment 😄
I made the same comment two months after you and am shocked that you only had 2 likes 😂😂😂
Fun fact: Silvershadow who produce the Snake are one of the manufacturers that will produce new AR-15 type rifles for the IDF
Heck with it being so damm thick when you run out of ammo you can use it as a club.
Or - have almost twice as much parts to throw.😉😆
If they would have integrated the 2 triggers closer together (essentially side by side, nearly touching), this could have much more closely emulated the experience of the military version. With the 2 triggers so far apart, it appears to make it much more difficult to use it as originally intended.
Yo dawg i heard you like Ar's so we put an AR in your AR so you can shoot AR while you shoot your AR
My Jagged Alliance -addled brain: "So you load one side with AP and the other with hollow point, right?"
Wouldn't you want both to be either AP or Hollow Point?
Since if you're expecting to fight through body armor. Having 2 AP hit around the same spot is better. And visa versa if you're not expecting body armor.
@@shy8054 But loading one with HP and the other with AP works against both.
Atf is gonna classify pointer fingers over 4" as machineguns now
There is a physical effect called constructive interference that gets VERY destructive when two bullets hit close by at nearly the exact same time. WAY more than twice the damage to plates or tissue.
Interesting, I was wondering if that was significant. Waves collide...
Must be why the double shot S333 revolver has "not being able to hit a door at five yards" level accuracy.
On plates that are not solid steel . On something with a greater mass, it will make little to no difference.
On soft or brittle ceramic plates - hell yeah. Just think of 2 of those gel block temporary cavities an inch apart 🤯🤮☠️
@@carnage77 True. The main effect though is on tissue - not pretty. It is like an exponential version of the (already scary) hydrostatic effect.
Now we're talkin.
This is perfect for the Elbonian Army
This is a case study in “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.”
I would love to see this concept combined with an Echo trigger system. Having a single trigger operating one barrel on the pull and the other barrel on the release would go even further to skirt the ATF on fast firing ARs and would also allow for thinner profile barrels since their respective rate of fire would be halved as opposed to the military model.
I love how the gun has all these fancy adjustment features to get the barrels and sights and everything tuned in exactly how you want, and then it's still functionally impossible to make use of any of it because there's not practical way to ensure you're hitting both triggers at the exact same time, since they aren't mechanically linked.
unless you make some inventive use of 3d printing but then i guess you better hide that augment someplace
Well you can thank congress for all the stupid gun laws which are illegal as per the US Constitution for that.
Ahh yes, the guardsman version of the storm boltor.
If it wasn't heresy, you just know there'd be a budget hellgun equivalent made of two Lascarbines side by side. But only Space Marines can innovate and get away with it.
Cut off the barrels and remove the stock and there you go😊
Happy gas mask noises
idk why im so surprised to see warhammer 40k references here... but could you imagine ian doing a video talking about bolters? how wierd would that be...
@@crustybomb115 There have been more than a few wh40k comments on Ian's videos. And honestly my thought was "Oh, first large combi-weapon!" And then Ian proceeds to talk for 5 minutes about all the other combi-weapons.
Double your pleasure, double your fun with the double boom gun!
Dammit, you beat me to it, but i said a lil diffrent
my first thought was actually that you could just run one side, and have an entire spare ar15 with you at all times in case of the one side becoming inoperable. in terms of insane prepper guns, I feel like it's got a purpose there.
One gun to protect you while you reload the other.
the 2nd trigger is still annoyingly far for your finger to reach though, and may be awkward to use with the other trigger in the way?
I'm surprised they didn't make triggers that were closer together or staggered front to back like most guns with multiple triggers.
i think a system like this can be handy in a pinch, if it get jammed, you have another barrel to shoot from with its own trigger, as opposed to try and unjam it.
I always thought this was an answer to a question no one was still asking
>one long middle finger to pull both triggers
or: one hot-glued metal tab
ATF open the door!
Those would be the last words your dog would hear
@@asierurteagaaguirre3462what the ATF doesn't know can't hurt the dog
yeah when he was explaining the trigger i was laughing, the thing is like 5 seconds away from being illegal. but ian is a respectable gentleman he didn't want to say the quiet part out loud
Nah, just a fancy ring would do it. 3D print one today, or just make it out of a pipe.
@@asierurteagaaguirre3462Volley fire is legal. See also: the stupid double barrelled revolver.
Firing your side barrel is faster than reloading
As someone who owns no guns, and has no real shooting experience, might there be an argument for using one side of the gun as your default rifle, and using the other side as your backup weapon? Kinda like the stereotypical game tip of "it is quicker to change to your sidearm than reload your rifle"?
I realize that most people are far better at shooting with one hand than the other, but could the time saved be worth it?
Alternately, are there different enough ammunition types that there could be a point in loading one magazine with one type, and the other with some other type?
Like, if it had been a shotgun, load one side with bird-/buckshot, and the other side with slug?
PS. Even if it is not practical, it definitely wins the "rule of cool" prize in my book
While I see the legal difficulty, would it not be fairly easy to make a Y-shaped trigger where the finger pulled the bottom part of the Y and the the two upper arms of the Y operated both hammers?
Legally the US would consider that as a single trigger firing multiple projectiles and would have the gun classed as "fully automatic"
Ha! My first thought when you were explaining the rifle was, “that’s as dumb as the corner shot”.
I remember when I was a kid and Future Weapons did an episode on the Corner Shot. I thought was the coolest thing back then lol
Corner shot is actually not that dumb. It's used by a lot of professionals!! Have a look en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CornerShot
@@Calvin_CoolageI really liked it when they put a plushie on the gun in order to confuse enemies for a second or two.
With 2 triggers and buffer tubes, it really does seem like a novelty. Would absolutely love to see if you could get your hands on a military one, that fire control group must be quite interesting
Double win for Ian, two ARs and neither of them have forward assist!
This would be insane as a smooth bore slug thrower, the combinations you could load into both mags... oh man
Another reason for the two buffers may be that no matter what you pulling two triggers will result in small differences in the timing of the two chambers firing. You wouldn’t want to shoot the left barrel with the spring half compressed already
The results of the multiple berrel rifles hit probability. Was magnified optics, increased rifle accuracy, and increased ammunition accuracy. The soldiers and the single berrel were found unwanting. Infact. When magnified optics were issued to 1 Marine platoon and were engaged in combat. An investigation into all the headshots from the Marines was instigated. Now all have them.
Italy did this first with the Villar Perosa. That's why they didn't try again during the Cold War, they already knew it was a stupid idea.
But everyone else thought they were better... And Italy laughed.
That double-barrel FAL 😂
Villar Perosa actually had a purpose which justified two barrels(AA duty, with an smg, lol.). But some ended up in ground troops.
@@kesmeseker9593 Some? All of them, after it was clear it was underpowered for aircrafts.
@@kesmeseker9593Well, it was mounted to WW1 aircraft, which were little more than fancy flying tents. You don't need a large caliber to bring one of those down, especially not at the ranges that air combat was fought at the time.
Intelligence tells you, you can do it. Wisdom tells you why you shouldn't. Charisma tells you to just sell it to an American. This is one of those times.
"They were in such a hurry to see if they could, they never stopped to ask if they should,"
Somebody from Kel-tek infiltrated them
Strength tells you, it has more mass, thus makes a better club to bash with.
"It costs $30,000 to shoot this gun... for 12. Seconds."
You can shout "reloading!" And cover yourself
Just to be clear about the TKB-051, it does have one magazine... though that would be one triple (or triple-column) double-stack magazine :D
I love it when youtubers do the ad in a different place/different shirt or something so you know where to skip to by hovering over the progress bar. I appreciate you Ian
If it bothers you so much you are on the wrong platform
@@SixTough They don't bother me, I never said they did. I have no problem with youtubers having sponsors because I can just skip the sponsor read. And it's nice when they make it easy for you.
SponsorBlock even automates the process. Well, once someone else has marked it out, at least.
What you just said is like thanking a street musician for putting out a donation cup, and, after the performance is over, donate nothing while walking away with a dollar in your hand…
@@Typhoonbladefist You think I'm stealing money from him by not watching the sponsor section?
What if we took the bullets and put them on really long belts so you can shoot longer?
Apparently magazine design peaked at the Villar-Perosa according to these designers
How about we just fire the wholre cartridge instead of just the bullet?
Tha'ts 65% more bullet per bullet!
- Cave Johnson
Bullets on belt? So silly.
Pockets maybe, but belt. Ha ha!
Hey, you might be onto something here...
what is this sorcery
When your primary opponents are unarmed or limited in arms, you can get goofy with your abundant arms production funding.
With the twin .50 cals on a WWII B-17 tail gun, each barrel had a muzzle device to keep the expelled gases from destabilizing the bullet of the other barrel. Not seeing that here. Needed or not?
Shame we only have access to the civvie version: The military version with a single trigger and all it's extra features does actually sound like a practical idea. 5.56 doesn't kick particularly hard so firing twice instantly with a single trigger pull has all sorts of potential.
I'd rather have a switch controlling which side was firing as opposed to two barrels. Sure it'd just be a 60 round AR but a lot less awkward than trying to pull two triggers at once.
Shotgun style switch would've been my choice, or two triggers front and back like my fathers old Fabarm 12cal shotgun
Oh boy, another doublegun
the only who i can think of before i saw this was the "2011" double barrel Colt 1911 and the Vilar Pirosa machine gun of WW1
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Funny way of bruteforcing a double shot
"We have AN-94 at home" indeed
This looks like a borderlands 2 gun made by VLADOFF, probably more than the double barrel SVDs and triple barrel AKs in that game
So, to summarize, the answer to the question in the video name is "YES"
Back when us left-handed shooters had to use brass deflectors on the M-16, I would have like to have tried one of the mirrored bolts with a milled out left side ejection port. I bet it would have saved me some neck burns.
You could theoretically cross the gas tubes to go from one gun to the other remove the trigger mechanism from the left side and just have a hammer with a disconnector and a select fire trigger on the right side, and you would either have two round, burst or full auto firing from alternate barrels
Gilboa Snake? Did Rocky and Snake Pliskin have a baby? 🤔
I would love for you to finally find the military version to do a video on AND shoot. Apparently the SAS used/uses/trialed the military version and were loving it apparently from what I read, even using it in legit combat situations by using extreme volumes of fire for ambushes and various other tactics. When I first saw this years back I didn't think much of it past a gimmick, but I had no idea at the time there was a military version that was different and much more desireable. You can imagine this with the single trigger, thinner nicer stock and short barrels would actually be pretty cool. I would love to see some videos on that version. I have no idea if all the hype is real with that one.
Image this running Duplex rounds (and both triggers running) .... 300% moar bullet per bullet!
Can ya put two suppressors on it?
As the video went on and I learned more about this monstrosity, the more intense my emotions regarding it got. And I still have no idea what to call those emotions, but boy are they strong.
>1800's: pepperbox pistols/rifles
>2000's pepperbox pistols/rifles
cowboy logic will always remain
Pepperbox pistols do not fire all barrels at once, you had to move the cylinder manually.
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@@no1DdC The stuck sks firing pin of the 19th century.
This weapons is in Warface and it's OP. It's called the "Gilboa Snake DBR" in the game
"Maybe with enough practice, use of the middle finger, that sort of thing"
So...get my middle finger all warmed up driving through traffic before the range then?
If you bring your SO, then yes
16:03 Additionally, a single recoil system would require both actions to cycle. So if only one trigger were pulled, both actions would cycle, and a live round would be ejected from the action which didn't fire. Since it seems hard to pull both triggers at once, having a shared recoil system would result in a lot of ammunition being spilled on the ground.
A binary style trigger on this gun where the pull fires one barrel and the release fires the other would be wicked cool
I think the irreconcilable problem with this idea is getting both barrels pointing the same direction and get them to stay pointing the same direction even under all the stress of transport and combat. Those big hunting "double rifles" are so expensive because it's such a fine art to get those two barrels to remotely co-align and even then they're only good for relatively short range of 100 yards and they're very VERY closely held together along their entire length.
In fact, the two barrels firing simultaneously is likely to cause harmonic interference so that it will change to POI... but when you look at the target trying to use a barrel alignment mechanism you will see two bullet holes, which bullet came from which bore? Even if that can be solved, if one fires only slightly before the other it'll be caught in the shockwave of the other. They may fire simultaneously on a nice cozy dry range, but in any real-world conditions what chance have you got?
So this may have such a poor detriment on accuracy that it wipes out any theoretical advantage in fire rate. The Ultimax weighed only 600g more and could effectively fire continually at cyclic rate with excellent accuracy.
I think the US military has determined the best way to increase chance of hitting is not shooting faster but just training riflemen to - you know - be competent marksmen. If anything helps that it's better optics and lower weight, a 4.3kg base weight is not conducive to that.
Just don’t co-align them and let them fire straight. The separation between the barrels are less than your height over bore. Then only load one at once for alignment testing. And ideally, make a trigger mechanism so that pulling the trigger fires one barrel, and releasing fires the second. And if full auto is an option, just stagger the mechanisms.
@@Chroniclerope Height over bore does not cause increased dispersion at distance.
Height over bore is actually good for "battle sight" accuracy as the sight line intersects more closely with the trajectory at the apogee where the relative change in height over distance is least.
But for misaligned barrels if the two bullets group 4 inches apart at 100m then they'll be 8 inches apart at 200m, 12 inches apart at 300m, etc.
"Just have to pull shoot one barrel and release shoots the other barrel"
That is just replicating the function of a binary trigger which you do not need 2 barrels for, the whole point of two barrels is they fire simultaneously. But getting them to co-align when firing simultaneously will not be easy nor reliable.
I'd rather work with the old 3-round burst limitations and save the weight for more ammo.
If you can have a 3round burst, you can have a single trigger, fully auto version.
Was there ever an M16 that was ACTUALLY locked to burst?
In a perfect world we have triple barrel shoot burst, that's 9 shots in a single trigger pull.
@@davidbanan.If by "locked to burst" you mean "has only 3-round burst but no full-auto", then yes, it was army variant of M16A2 (marines had it with full-auto capability).
Does a three round burst legally have to stay that way, guess I'd get one for the investment but I want select fire. 3 shot burst was hated by everyone from the troops to Stoner himself and especially gunsmiths.
I'd go for stacked, side by side seems like a novelty item but stackek would be dope.
It would have been interesting to have a single trigger and work the fire selector so it'll run left, both, or right. Would be a fun project.
The AN-94 Hyper Burst is amazing!!! it’s a super effective rifle
I did not know of the examples cited but the Gilboa Snake's configuration did conjure up the Villar Perosa Double Machine Gun in my mind.
Very intriguing design.
Sighting adjustment reminds me of harmonizing guns on a WWII fighter aircraft.
I suppose maintenance is the equivalent of cleaning two firearms simultaneously. 😏
Thanks for the very enjoyable video!