We Should Repatriate Artefacts | Ed Evans | 1 of 6
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2017
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Ed Evans opens the case for the proposition, as the first speaker of six in the debate
The Motion: This House Would Repatriate Artefacts Obtained Under Colonial Rule.
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I just now learned that the British spelling is "artefact" vs what I've known my whole life: the American "artifact" with an "i"
why is this channel disabling comments on some videos? are they afraid of real debates between real people? is this channel for professional debaters only?
Oxford Union, will you also upload one video with the entire debate? It is much easier to put in audio file and listen on the go.
Kind regards from Portugal.
João Abegão you could make an audio file from each and play it as a playlist. But you are right it is a pain to merge them haha
Ya exactly. I usually do that, I was just asking in an attempt of instiling progress ahah
Try maybe watching videos from the Cambridge Union. I know it's not exactly the same, but all their videos are the entire debate.
WHO IS THE NAME AT 05:30??
Why can't we simply pay appropriate compensation for artefacts?
The value of artefacts goes beyond the value of money. They are part of the legacy of cultures. Money can never replace that.
Knightess
Yes but money can compensate and unsure the safety and preservation of such artefacts. For example the oldest known Quran in the world is stored in a library in Birmingham England. This is a treasure to both the Muslim world and the non Muslim world and gives generations the opportunity to observe human development.
If the Quran stayed in Mosul or Raqq one can only fear what could have happened to it.
@@19coyote80 What! The Birmingham Qur'an has been through more than just Mosul or raqa!
Artefacts are owned by the country of origin and the looter has no right in keeping it Simple.
If your or any of the thieves ancestors didn't leave behind artefacts for you blame them!
I'm sure in Mexicans would be more than happy to give you back the church that is on top of their pyramid hehehhehe 8P That is, only if you actually claim it back.
I guess the "artifacts" inside it are all made outside of Mexico.
disappointed a channel that highlights debates shuts down conversation by way of the comment section. whats the problem?
Fear !
How is this even a matter of debate? Of course those artefacts should be returned. This is simple property rights.
Absolutely. That question shouldnt even arise. Why dont they have African students in the debate as well.
The Brazilians are not taking good care of their Jungle forest hehehehe let's give them some democracy Coz the fresh air belongs to the world. 8P
Bronze horses actually aren't originated from Venice, they were stolen from the Byzantines and sent to Venice during the Fourth Crusade (10:50-10:53).
The world's artefacts should be where they are safest, most able to be maintained and studied by the world's experts, and on a stage where a great number can learn and benefit from them. If you wanted to enjoy books, for example, would you prefer a library or would you prefer to travel to read each writers' books individually? Those museums in Iraq have been completely wrecked, that heritage destroyed. Having been repatriated, those mentioned artefacts are enjoyed by many fewer people than were doing so before. The idea of conflating cultural artefacts with property is also uncomfortable. Just like with a writer's book, the library doesn't claim to own the ideas in the books, nor takes credit for them, they still belong to the writer. In the same way, a culture hasn't lost any property, if anything, it has benefitted from people's awareness and appreciation of it. The roman artefact exhibition in New Delhi for example shouldn't be repatriated to Lyon, (Lugdunum as it was called), where the artefacts were found. Perhaps millions of people are able to visit them in New Delhi (amongst a plethora of Buddhist, Maratha and mughal art), whilst we enjoy a display of similar items here in London. I have a solution, an improvement. A horizontal merger of as many large state-level museums as possible so that the world's most influential artefacts can be circulated across the world's capitals. Fantasy, maybe, but repatriation is working in the complete opposite direction.
Hmm..naa just return them :)
It's not yours. You know it. Just return them.
@@ibrahima8393 perhaps make an argument if you want to convince me
@@xAKIMBOCURLYx there is not argument. A thief stole. Admitted it. The world has established the fact. You stole. Return it. There's no argument. No argument to be had. And you know it.
@@ibrahima8393 First of all "I" didn't steal anything, and there clearly *is* a debate to be had... we're both commenting on such a debate.
If you want to build a historical claim of ownership over any form of property, create a coherent argument for that. Explain why, say, the English claim to own Stonehenge, when it was built by Pagan Celts and not Christian Anglosaxons. How is it coherent? Does the ownership come with the land?
So what about conquered land? Ancient Egypt built magnificent pyramids. They were (and forgive me if I forget one) conquered by the Ptolemies, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Arabs, the Mamluks, The Ottomans, the British, and then gained "independence" as an Arab Republic. Yet Ancient Egyptians were not Arabs. Why do Arabs claim to own the Pyramids when, clearly, coming to own something by conquering it is absurd.
If you actually bothered to try to formulate an argument you'd realise it's not as obvious as you seem to think it is. Specify 1) what it is that confers ownership 2) Who precisely ownership is conferred to, and make those two claims consistent and non-arbitrary.
Arguments from morality fail because morals are relative. Nothing is objectively right or wrong, good and evil are defined by humans. Is it in our interest to repatriate artefacts? No, so why should we ?
Because you wouldnt get away with stealing from a shop thats why :)
If there is no right and wrong why are you even bothered to write anything ? meaning... are you right about your statement saying there is no right and wrong ? LOL 8P fess fess cawetchoo...
Finders keepers losers weepers ..
The British museum is the best in the world.
If you want your artefacts back....come and fight us for it if you dare !!!
this is not the current law... legally these stolen items must be returned.
the only reason the british museum is still keeping these artifacts its because without them the museum would be empty because your ancestors only left you that shitty pile of rocks that you call stonehenge lmfao
@19D CAV SCOUT USA would not disrespect her mother England !!
@@youssefarafa2812 What did your ancestors leave you eh ?? ....Pyramids ? which is proven to have been built by much older civilisations which are much much older then Egypt itself.! Zahi Hawass (the crook) knows this...this is why he cries when people speak facts ! If it wasn't for us Brits you wouldn't have the history which you have...so STFU !!
@@Mossyz. where is the proof of the pyramids not being built by the ancient egyptians? lmfao you're literally saying that the most history rich civilization didn't leave anything, you clearly don't know much about history let alone ancient Egyptian history