Now that I saw that entire Smash Documentary it's really cool to see this legendary matchup. There rivalry is pretty damn historic in the Smash Community haha.
Honestly it's not much of a rivalry, Mangos record against Hbox is soo much more 1 sided than any other rivalry within the top 5 with possible exception of Armada vs m2k. Mango m2k and mango armada are better rivalries for sure.
***** Nah. Yugi and Kaiba were rivals, but Kaiba NEVER beat Yugi. (not counting the time were Kaiba threatened to kill himself if Yugi did not surrender) In Pokemon Red and Blue, you generally beat your Rival EVERY time you meet him. That was a good rivalry! Vegeta NEVER beat Goku in a fair fight. That was a great rivalry! The point is a rivalries value does not necessarily have a direct relation with their win/loss ratios against each other. The win/loss ratio can certainly effect the value of a rivalry, but you can still have good rivalries even if it tends to be more one sided.
Cape Breton Legacy He didn't even want to shake HungryBox's hand and as soon as that ended he went on Twitter to say something along the lines of ''oh well, sometimes lame players win''. Not to mention when he threw away the medal, thus disrespecting the whole organizing team in their faces. Truly, signs of great sportsmanship.
Man, Hungrybox really knows how to make a comeback. His fight with Armada seemed to lean against him losing, but he won. He was pretty close with this one, but he made a few bad moves. Amazing EVO finals.
+Stoner420Simpson oh I'm definitely not mango nation, just a fan of smash and like mango. Westballz is by far my favorite player though. I main falco myself and his playstyle is so hype.
cool bro i main Fox and Pichu lol. I finally got melee like a week ago and i finally got wave shining down. I still gotta practice doh. I had Project M for a month now and i had mastered Wolf. Also falco is pretty hype. my fav smasher is probably armada, leffen, or Hbox.
Wow Mango's really proving he's the best Melee player in the world right now, MLG Anaheim champ and now Evo champ! Congrats to him! Sad to see M2K outta the medals tho. And Axe placing top 5 and 4 stocking Silent Wolf was the most hype thing I've seen in a long time!
Oh man , I got so scared by Hungrybox. Armada choked against him and then Mango had started to choke but barely prevailed. Great and entertaining EVO Finals.
***** That's not ALL that choking is though. I'd say in common vernacular it would also require the subject to suddenly start performing poorly due to the pressure. That didn't really Happen. Hbox just started performing BETTER. A comeback is not necessarily synonymous with a choke.
wait can we stop for a minute & think about how after mango won the whole set popped-off & got a dap hug....that nigga never let his hat touch the floor till he through it. evo moment of the decade.
Mango is amazing, I really enjoy his style and agressiveness but it is so annoying when commentators become biased, especially Prog. Prog if you see this, love you man but seriously.
Bit of a moot point, but the last game was well within H-box's grasp. Look at 14:08, where I can only imagine he screwed up the usmash out of shield. Instead, he stayed in shield too long and got killed. 14:19, gets baired, and immediately tries to strike with a fair. He knows that'll never work. Then a mindless forward+b, followed by DI into all of Mango's moves. Nair nair usmash isn't a combo unless you DI in there. Just goes to show that it's not out of Hbox's reach. Amazing play by Mango, though, especially out of shield.
Katzelle3 No, OLED and Plasma TV's do have input lag (www.displaylag.com/oled-4k-2014-input-lag-results/) And I do realize I said "no input lag" but I shouldve said "virtually no input lag" because CRT monitors have no place to store the frame data so it doesnt have any lag. Unless you count electricity being the lag. And it wouldnt even be in the microseconds. That would be still to long.
Hbox i think he is just more comfortable standing up. It's kind of nerve racking being in the Grand Finals of one of the biggest tournaments in the world so i sympathize with Hbox.
He stands up so that he can be slightly behind his opponent and he can see what they are going to do by looking at their controller, At least I think that is why I've only heard that's why.
***** He didn't stand during those days. You can literally see him do it like 4 times in the past year. The one I remember offhand is his last stock vs PP at zenith. I've seen it a bunch of times though and I've commented on it like everytime I've seen it responding to others that point it out lol.
***** Not to mention seeing your opponents controller is worthless. Taking your eyes of the screen to see inputs that you could read off the screen...you'll just get hit...
Why do people hate on the fact that Mango is a cocky?? Whats wrong with being a cocky? This is the pros.. Its every man for himself.. I think that is probably why he made it soo far. Being cocky is crucial..
Andrew Ricklefs Meh, he did it a few times this year, but it's the opposite of what it used to be. It used to be that Mango would beat Hbox and every now and then Hbox would take one, now it's the opposite.
Up kick. Up kick? Please choose which "up kick" you're referring to. He has three. His up-smash, up-tilt, and up-air. I'm assuming you don't mean his up-tilt. Please learn the correct terminology to avoid confusion on public forums.
Are they using the original Gamecube-Controller? And if they using the original, can anybody tell me where I can buy new original Gamecube-Controller? Sorry for my bad english..
All sudden theres a HAPPY FEET!!! WOMBO COMBO!!! THAT AINT FALCO!!! THAT AINT FAL OOH OH OOOOOOH OH OOOOOH OOOOOH WHAT YOU WHAT!!! WHAT YOU WHAT!!! WHAT YOU WHAT!!!! OOOH!!! WOMBO COMBOOOO!!! OOOHH!!! GET YOUR ASS WHOOPEED!!!
I do remember seeing an interview where he talked about how much he needs to concentrate when he plays puff so maybe he feels sitting breaks his concentration?
Although I can't take anything away from any of these amazing players, I can say that the Fox vs JIggs match is not a good one for Jiggs. I believe in Puff and Hbox though. They just keep getting closer each tournament.
Yes, that explains how Hungrybox normally destroys Fox players and Mango along with maybe Leffen and M2K are the only Fox players who've been able to beat him with any sort of consistency.
I still think the matchup is a bad one, which does in fact give mango the edge over him. Hbox, in my opinion, is just as high of caliber as a player as the rest of the big 5. The skill gap between Mango and the other Fox players is quite noticeable too.
***** To say that Mango "just owns Hungrybox" is a false statement... They almost always have close and hype matches, and they've both 4 stocked one another once. Usually Mango just has a slight edge in the matc.
Before i get a shitstorm of "you dipshit you dont know shit so shut up" I dont play competitively, so I wouldnt know the reason as to why it seemed fair that someone used fox against a jigglypuff, I get that these guys are pros, but to me it seems extremely uneven, especially with a character like jigglypuff.
If you don't know competitive, that's fine..While she may not look like it, jigglypuff is a VERY strong character. Rest, her silly aerials, her insane DI, they add up and make jigglypuff one of the biggest pains in the ass in the game.
fox is the most common character in the game, so it's not that they're using him against jigglypuff specifically, just against everyone. jigglypuff is also top tier in this game but the thing is she's considered "gay" to play against/as and somewhat boring in most people's opinion so very few jigglypuffs exist, the exception being this guy (hungrybox)
Will they be doing evo for smash 4..I mean its more balanced now and has a the custom stages specifically for people who like to play really competitively
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"There's a mexican flag, and he's from the states!" BEST MOMENT EVER
Lol
16:20
Now that I saw that entire Smash Documentary it's really cool to see this legendary matchup. There rivalry is pretty damn historic in the Smash Community haha.
Honestly it's not much of a rivalry, Mangos record against Hbox is soo much more 1 sided than any other rivalry within the top 5 with possible exception of Armada vs m2k. Mango m2k and mango armada are better rivalries for sure.
***** being a rival does not require one to have an even record against each other
***** Yeah, but it should at least be somewhat close if you want to consider it a good rivalry. Lol
***** Nah.
Yugi and Kaiba were rivals, but Kaiba NEVER beat Yugi. (not counting the time were Kaiba threatened to kill himself if Yugi did not surrender)
In Pokemon Red and Blue, you generally beat your Rival EVERY time you meet him. That was a good rivalry!
Vegeta NEVER beat Goku in a fair fight. That was a great rivalry!
The point is a rivalries value does not necessarily have a direct relation with their win/loss ratios against each other. The win/loss ratio can certainly effect the value of a rivalry, but you can still have good rivalries even if it tends to be more one sided.
***** To be fair, the sets themselves usually aren't very one-sided.
14:02 Hbox jumps to avoid up-air kill, seems to work...
I love how the two of them really decided to be mature in the end. They both just smiled and hugged it out anyway.
Matthew Zakrzewski Mango is only ''mature'' when he wins. He's one of the most childish, sore losers I've seen in a while.
Did you watch evo 2015 when he lost to hungrybox he was mature when he lost in losers....i wasnt mature though i was pissed
Cape Breton Legacy He didn't even want to shake HungryBox's hand and as soon as that ended he went on Twitter to say something along the lines of ''oh well, sometimes lame players win''. Not to mention when he threw away the medal, thus disrespecting the whole organizing team in their faces. Truly, signs of great sportsmanship.
LinkSword He was raised with the saying "if its not first place, it ain't anything" that's why he thru it in the crowd.
+Matthew Zakrzewski. Rekt kid
Man, Hungrybox really knows how to make a comeback. His fight with Armada seemed to lean against him losing, but he won. He was pretty close with this one, but he made a few bad moves. Amazing EVO finals.
Anyone notice how mangos hat fell off his head at the end, but just like a fucking baller he caught that shit with his other hand.
+Factualx xD hahahaa
+Stoner420Simpson Not quite , he's my 3rd favorite player, but I just thought it was cool man, sorry.
Factualx my bad bro, I just hate some of the people in the Mango nation. Not all of them though. Whos your favorite smasher man?
+Stoner420Simpson oh I'm definitely not mango nation, just a fan of smash and like mango. Westballz is by far my favorite player though. I main falco myself and his playstyle is so hype.
cool bro i main Fox and Pichu lol. I finally got melee like a week ago and i finally got wave shining down. I still gotta practice doh. I had Project M for a month now and i had mastered Wolf. Also falco is pretty hype. my fav smasher is probably armada, leffen, or Hbox.
Wow Mango's really proving he's the best Melee player in the world right now, MLG Anaheim champ and now Evo champ! Congrats to him! Sad to see M2K outta the medals tho. And Axe placing top 5 and 4 stocking Silent Wolf was the most hype thing I've seen in a long time!
I'm from future m2k wins apex, cc and summit 6
Mango is washed
@@ayase2992 I guess making it to Winners finals 5 tournaments in a row = washed now?!🤣
Elias Badillo No but in others eyes it’s washed for someone of his caliber. But I have a feeling 2019 will be his year
@@horizon1132 you were right
"From behind the back, Like a heart attack". Not sure I understand that lol.
Prog has some of the corniest commentary ever lol. Sometimes he really reaches for things.
So I guess Mango and HBox hugged after all.
SAW THE INTERVIEW TOO
I came here just to see that it was true.. and they did.
fuck hbox
Mango and Armada are pretty cool
***** have you met hbox? Or are you just saying that based on what you heard?
00:19 D1 knows a good band
8:43 holy shit, dio is in the crowd
Wait where?
@@Me41687 beside mangos face
@@PikaPower131313 ok first of all, five years bro, and two, I see it now. Thanks
Didn't really expect a reply
@@Me41687 I'll take it as a compliment but my life hasnt changed that much in 5 years. JoJo is still great and melee is still goin hard
Oh man , I got so scared by Hungrybox. Armada choked against him and then Mango had started to choke but barely prevailed. Great and entertaining EVO Finals.
5-1 against jiggly isnt choking. Armada got bodied
Just because a person lost, that does not make it a choke, lol. And just because Mango almost lost, does not mean he "Started to choke".
TBH, Hbox just went nuts. I have to give credit where credit is due.
***** That's not ALL that choking is though. I'd say in common vernacular it would also require the subject to suddenly start performing poorly due to the pressure. That didn't really Happen. Hbox just started performing BETTER. A comeback is not necessarily synonymous with a choke.
Take me back. Mango was on top, smash was great, life was good.
RELIVING THIS MOMENT CAUSE NO 3VO
+DirtyLimez Haha fo sho man
;(
RIP
Me too bro :(
wait can we stop for a minute & think about how after mango won the whole set popped-off & got a dap hug....that nigga never let his hat touch the floor till he through it. evo moment of the decade.
This is the best I've ever seen Hbox play, amazing.
Mango is amazing, I really enjoy his style and agressiveness but it is so annoying when commentators become biased, especially Prog. Prog if you see this, love you man but seriously.
HungryBox played his heart out. Amazing game
Is no one going to mention the fact that mango caught his beanie behind his back that was fucking sick
16:12
i miss the old mang0
Alot of you fail to realize that champs come and go, Someone will come by and crush mango...that's how smash works
and now here we are
Bit of a moot point, but the last game was well within H-box's grasp.
Look at 14:08, where I can only imagine he screwed up the usmash out of shield. Instead, he stayed in shield too long and got killed.
14:19, gets baired, and immediately tries to strike with a fair. He knows that'll never work. Then a mindless forward+b, followed by DI into all of Mango's moves. Nair nair usmash isn't a combo unless you DI in there.
Just goes to show that it's not out of Hbox's reach. Amazing play by Mango, though, especially out of shield.
my guess it he was trying to be unpredictable as Mango knows jiggly and Hbox's style and patterns.
yeah but, fox is mango.. :D
And there still playing on the old fat TVs. Not even an HDTV. That's how OG these guys are. Melee will always be the best competitive fighting game
Air Espenilla HDTV's have some input lag for melee, CRT's however have no input lag associated with them. You need a CRT for advanced Tech
wolficeflame
Or a 144Hz monitor, but TV makers should finally start switching to OLED.
Katzelle3 144hz still has more input lag then a CRT monitor. CRT monitors have no input lag.
Justin X OLED and Plasma also have no input lag.
Also CRTs do have a response time, altough it's in the microseconds area.
Katzelle3
No, OLED and Plasma TV's do have input lag (www.displaylag.com/oled-4k-2014-input-lag-results/) And I do realize I said "no input lag" but I shouldve said "virtually no input lag" because CRT monitors have no place to store the frame data so it doesnt have any lag. Unless you count electricity being the lag. And it wouldnt even be in the microseconds. That would be still to long.
5:56 crocodile head man approves of roundhouse kicks
この頃のmangoは本当にかっこいいです。今からでもダイエットに運動をして当時の姿を取り戻してほしいです。
i miss evo being in july
how does mango entr more letters on his name tag can anyone please tell me how to do this?
ar code
Jayson Medeiros codes.
Jayson Medeiros action replay rom
mrponalado 20xx
i have wondered for the longest time how Mango got his tag to fit all of his name
Megohea 20XX
how come hbox isnt sitting down?
Hbox i think he is just more comfortable standing up. It's kind of nerve racking being in the Grand Finals of one of the biggest tournaments in the world so i sympathize with Hbox.
He stands up so that he can be slightly behind his opponent and he can see what they are going to do by looking at their controller, At least I think that is why I've only heard that's why.
***** He didn't stand during those days. You can literally see him do it like 4 times in the past year. The one I remember offhand is his last stock vs PP at zenith. I've seen it a bunch of times though and I've commented on it like everytime I've seen it responding to others that point it out lol.
***** Not to mention seeing your opponents controller is worthless. Taking your eyes of the screen to see inputs that you could read off the screen...you'll just get hit...
Looking at this now it almost feels like watching a ultimate match holy shit this is slow as hell
I miss the old mango
Hungrybox plays really good and then Mang0 is just incredible with his revenge.
Why do people hate on the fact that Mango is a cocky?? Whats wrong with being a cocky? This is the pros.. Its every man for himself.. I think that is probably why he made it soo far. Being cocky is crucial..
wait a sec, how the hell did mango fit all that in his tag? i swear this game only gives you four letters???
They were using the "20XX Hack Pack," which allows for much longer tags.
how the hell can hbox play standing
Yeaaaaaah this shit was scary.
Remember when Mango used to beat Hbox?
Oh yeah, like at dream hack Austin 2016?
Andrew Ricklefs Meh, he did it a few times this year, but it's the opposite of what it used to be. It used to be that Mango would beat Hbox and every now and then Hbox would take one, now it's the opposite.
Samuel vi Britannia Yeah, but Mango has hd a better year than last year
Andrew Ricklefs still pretty bad though, nothing like pre-2015 Mango. I hope to see him like he was in 2013-2014.
Samuel vi Britannia Mango Hbox record in 2016 was 8-11.
sit down
#FREEMELEE
Here they are and I'm here like...how can I jump...?
I wish they would show their hands from time to time. Especially fox mains.
Hbox, giver of free evo's
Lol
ron don and he's finally given Evo to himself
The horse guy at 5:57 was awesome! hahahaha
How can you input longer than 4 letter names or is that just on tournaments ? Mango gametag is what I am referring to.
tech skill no dash sub bar into 911 combo cancel breaker and if you flick the c stick 420 degrees when it returns to the home menu there u go.
AR code
Why do they have a rivalry? It seems pretty one sided
do you have the ceremony at the end recorded? because I can't find it anywhere
4:59 the mangodash fsmash kreygasm
forget the guy picking his nose in the crowd, who was wearing the Crocodile/Alligator/whatever mask lmao
damn i was hoping hbox would pull this out of ass :p
Mango and HungryBox were playing so damn good! they're not part of the top 5 for nothing. i really wanted a reset just to see more!
Damn now I know how PPMD is losing vs hbox! Almost Hbox is champ. Congrats for both players:)
there is no way that the wii u version of this game will be as competitive as melee..not because it is not better.. but it is newer..
That up kick with fox is DEADLY
Up kick. Up kick? Please choose which "up kick" you're referring to. He has three. His up-smash, up-tilt, and up-air. I'm assuming you don't mean his up-tilt. Please learn the correct terminology to avoid confusion on public forums.
LordOfThePies1337 You must be fun at parties.
MegaBlackpriest Lol no I'm always sour and I ruin the fun
MegaBlackpriest k
home much money did he win
Are they using the original Gamecube-Controller? And if they using the original, can anybody tell me where I can buy new original Gamecube-Controller? Sorry for my bad english..
The official white nintendo gamecube controller, cost I believe $40 on amazon
I have 3 if ur interested
***** Richard Manahl I can only find used controller or new controller for 149 euros on Amazon...
***** Are these the original gamecube controllers and are they new or used? Maybe you can put a link in the commentaries.
***** Thanks man.
This Was CrZ! I Couldn't Survive 10 Seconds In A Match With Them
Mango looks like arin from gamegrumps
How did mango get such a long name
mango won this when he took the match to Story, plain and simple
hbox was playing with him mango even said it himself that hbox gave him a free evo lool
How the fuck did Mango fit 7 letters into his name?
This was SO nerve wracking!
If that's as fast as he can get Fox to move I'm not impressed
All sudden theres a HAPPY FEET!!! WOMBO COMBO!!! THAT AINT FALCO!!! THAT AINT FAL OOH OH OOOOOOH OH OOOOOH OOOOOH
WHAT YOU WHAT!!! WHAT YOU WHAT!!! WHAT YOU WHAT!!!! OOOH!!! WOMBO COMBOOOO!!! OOOHH!!! GET YOUR ASS WHOOPEED!!!
5:00 HOLY SHIT MANGO
Hungrybox is just spamming moonwalk,what the fuck?
What?
why in the hell is hungry standing!? lulz
Ese vato la rompe machin con jigly
Así es.
why is hb standing ?
He always stands when he plays smash for some reason, no one knows why but he just does it
"superstition" hbox talked about how superstitious he was in melee i think in the documentary
barnett chen Ahh, thank you for the clarification
He only started doing it recently, it's fucking hard playing while standing... Idk why he does it
I do remember seeing an interview where he talked about how much he needs to concentrate when he plays puff so maybe he feels sitting breaks his concentration?
13:00 epic moment
Ayee
yo these dudes are filthy
6:00 picks noses
1
Goddamn he was a skinny boy. He let himself go, at least he's a funny man.
Did you just record the live stream?
lol you ain't got the answers sway
quiero participar en el smash wii u con control wii mode
5:18
I'm glad fox won imagine losing to a jigglypuff
Jigglypuff is S-tier, I don't see how losing to Hbox would be embarrassing
🥲
It’s funny how hbox stands so he can see the inputs on mang0’s controller. Doesn’t matter 🙂
It's hilarious that you think that would help at all
@@jonkflurgen6975 it's hilarious that you don't -- look at hbox's set with ppmd where he looked at his di on upthrow
religion FTF
That was not Mango outplaying Hbox, that was a showcase of how Fox is just amazing against the Jiggs matchup. Fox won that, not mango.
Although I can't take anything away from any of these amazing players, I can say that the Fox vs JIggs match is not a good one for Jiggs. I believe in Puff and Hbox though. They just keep getting closer each tournament.
oookay buddy whatever you wanna think
Yes, that explains how Hungrybox normally destroys Fox players and Mango along with maybe Leffen and M2K are the only Fox players who've been able to beat him with any sort of consistency.
I still think the matchup is a bad one, which does in fact give mango the edge over him. Hbox, in my opinion, is just as high of caliber as a player as the rest of the big 5. The skill gap between Mango and the other Fox players is quite noticeable too.
***** To say that Mango "just owns Hungrybox" is a false statement... They almost always have close and hype matches, and they've both 4 stocked one another once. Usually Mango just has a slight edge in the matc.
Before i get a shitstorm of "you dipshit you dont know shit so shut up" I dont play competitively, so I wouldnt know the reason as to why it seemed fair that someone used fox against a jigglypuff, I get that these guys are pros, but to me it seems extremely uneven, especially with a character like jigglypuff.
dumbass
If you don't know competitive, that's fine..While she may not look like it, jigglypuff is a VERY strong character. Rest, her silly aerials, her insane DI, they add up and make jigglypuff one of the biggest pains in the ass in the game.
fox is the most common character in the game, so it's not that they're using him against jigglypuff specifically, just against everyone. jigglypuff is also top tier in this game but the thing is she's considered "gay" to play against/as and somewhat boring in most people's opinion so very few jigglypuffs exist, the exception being this guy (hungrybox)
Poop
Why they still playing this old ass game
Even though it's an old game it's very competitive with other players
Because it's better and harder than any game that's come since
Because you don't know what you're talking about. This game has techniques that have been perfected for years
Because it's one of the best and most viewed competitive fighting games in the history of fighting games.
Will they be doing evo for smash 4..I mean its more balanced now and has a the custom stages specifically for people who like to play really competitively
Hbox, giver of free evo's