Great insight I currently own a BMW 530e and realisesd i am doing 90% of my journeys on electric mode only so effectively carrying a massive engine around for zero benefit. I'm going to put it up for sale the weekend and order the new model 3 refresh. After doing tons or research the amount of negativity about EV's is almost exclusively from people who have never driven or even been in one.
@stephenoneilI I drove BMW all my live (3 series, 530d, X3 3.0d old and new version), till 5 years ago when I bought a Model 3 LR. I now switched to a Model 3 new version (what a fantastic comfortable and fun driving car). I still have friends of me talking about range issues, overloaded charging stations (at least not with a Tesla), long charging time concerns . I try to convince them, it is not like that at all. But they still don't believe me. I gave up explaining it.
I went from a Mercedes to Tesla 6 years ago and have never regretted for a minute and that is after having now done near 130k miles including driving all over Europe using the Tesla supercharger network. I think the longest I have ever waited for a charging stall is 3 minutes
A colleague of mine got his Nissan Ariya today and loves it. He was quizzing me for a morning about EVs as "I have one of those Teslas". I wondered why he got the Nissan and he says he has only a £230 a month 2 year lease. [5k mileage annually]. That's an awful cheap lease for a 320 mile range EV SUV. I loved various cars I have owned including a Saab 95 TDi and a Jaguar XF 3.0 diesel but I am never going back.
you can't educate an idiot...so I don't bother either. If someone is genuinely interested and asks me a genuine question then I will give them a genuinely honest answer. Life's too short to waste my time arguing, I couldn't care less what cars others drive. I enjoy driving mine, it gets me where I want to go at a very cheap cost, is super easy to live with and I don't deliberately poision anybody that I pass!
Had my Model Y delivered 3 weeks ago, found your videos extremely useful in forming my decision to have one and how to get the best out of it now I’ve got it. By the way, i love it!!
Thank you for your videos. Waiting for my own Model 3 2024 and Tesla tells me it should be here around August 30 - Sept 13, cannot wait so I am binging all of your videos and a few other channels :P
My last two visits to the Trafford Centre chargers both required a 15 minute wait in a queue owing to Porches, Jaguars and MG's using the TESLA chargers. End of Teslas best feature IMO.
I used Dundee SC before it was open to non Teslas, and then I stopped using it because I couldn’t trust whether the available chargers were blocked by a non Tesla. A shame, because the toilets were quite nice there. So now Perth also recently opened to Non Teslas. That one has been busy beforehand at times, and now I can’t trust a spare charger on my map if it’s less than half the total number of chargers. That leaves Larkhall. That’s now my “Goto” charger to and from the M74. On the way home, I’d rather spend more time there charging slowly to 90% than risking a queue situation in Perth or Dundee SC.
had to go to charge at the Trafford centre for the first time a couple of weeks ago - found exactly the same thing - 4-5 stalls free BUT couldnt get to them as other manf cars were using the wrong one - had to wait about 10 mins for a tesla to depart. Not a disaster but very annoying!
Interesting video. But the answer to your question as to why any one would buy anything other than a Tesla is that there are loads of nice EVs out there- some of which are better built and nicer to drive. Tesla’s USP has been the supercharger network but more and more of these sites are now available to all. I drive a Volvo EX30 and when away from home almost always charge on the public Supercharger network.
Great video, as always the roadside scenery was fantastic. If I ever get to the UK as a tourist I think I'm going to rely on public transportation. The narrow streets in town make me nervous and I'm not sure I'm a good enough driver to navigate them.
Totally agree with you re Tebay, we did just that on the way back from Milton Keynes (also filmed for you tube just like you do). My car actually told me to go to Trafford centre but I don't trust the availability shown because the cables are too short so I stick to ionity, 43p for Škoda owners ⚡ I definitely don't miss the 11.8 metre turning circle on my model 3, versus 9.3 on my Škoda 😂 Keep up they good work, I film my work trips down south and find myself smiling because I make many of the same points as you. I even moved from hankook to cross climates 😂
Like you, I tried the Trafford Centre Superchargers as an experiment. I arrived just after 8pm and they were full of delivery vans, primarily because (IMO) the price dropped at 8pm to just over 30p. Nowadays, it only drops to a low rate after 10pm so maybe it is not as busy with vans before 10pm. You'd think the delivery company (they were all the same company) would do their own thing at a depot. I drive a Q8 etron so the CCS is drivers side front which works fine at a Tesla charger.
To be fair, the advice that it is better and faster to charge multiple times at low charge rather than one charge only applies if you’re guaranteed to find a convenient charger at your next stop. That is true in Norway and that is true for Tesla drivers usually. But unfortunately, for non-Tesla drivers there may only be one or two non Tesla chargers available to them and there may be a queue or they may not be working at all. And that is the reality of what you have to deal with so It may sometimes be better to fully charge where you can rather than try your luck by leaving early.
The issues faced here are also happening in America now. Chargers on the wrong side, reducing the number of available chargers and you have to wait to charge if you are traveling. Why my neighbors with Tesla's no longer take them on longer trips and only for local driving within 100 miles of our home. They keep a gas or hybrid car for the longer trips. We are not there yet.
I live in California. No charging issues here ever. There is chargers everywhere and never busy. For Tesla that is. Is you have any other EV here in California it's a struggle
Thanks for the video. Bought my Austin, TX built Model Y Long Range (Stealth Gray, white interior) a few months ago, haven't visited a Supercharger yet. Only 2 supercharger locations in my city of over 1 million population (Oklahoma City). Charging at home on the Tesla mobile charger on a 240v single phase plug gives me plenty of range for daily driving.
I feel for you trying to get in and out of that hotel parking. Hope your throat feels better soon. I'm looking forward to you getting the new software update. I think you will enjoy it. it's showing lots more cars and has the car big on the screen. Could you let us know what you think of the new software in an upcoming video.
You are correct about Tebay, it's by far the best service station in the country. The hotel is excellent and I'm staying there end of this month on my way up to Dulnain Bridge. Do not agree about Gloucester services, unfortunately far too busy for me.
Been fortunate to have my MY LR Grey for just over a year - never going back. Just been up and down the A1 to Edinburgh and back - it was effortless. 700 miles.
There are lots of cars (not all) where the port is on the wrong side and you can charge in the correct bay on a V3. You just have to get out the car and plug in, then unplug before you can get back in the car (drivers front and rear door) as the cable blocks access. But most people are just lazy and don't care about blocking the other chargers.
Not only can you not use (or buy as I have tried) an DC extension cable, but there is also no way to charge CCS via chademo or the other way around (they are physically incompatible )
Very enjoyable video - don't know if anyone else mentioned but if you don't have the plastic trim on the wheels, this can cost you around 10% in efficiency....
@@justgetateslaYep, I have some third party ones on but returning from Italy, I'd have saved far more not driving at the French speed limits and certainly not at the Autobahn speeds. We wanted a break before the car needed one so I'm not going to worry about a few more miles.
As per Elon’s X message yesterday Just to reiterate: Tesla will spend well over $500M expanding our Supercharger network to create thousands of NEW chargers this year. That’s just on new sites and expansions, not counting operations costs, which are much higher.
In other analysis: Elon realises he's a dick, played a petulant dick tantrum and the world looks at him and asks "WT absolute F?!" His latest tweet could just be airtime pedaling back on massively negative PR.
You hate the Trafford Centre? We love it - any time we are down in Manchester, we always go there. Can't beat all of the statues. And there are usually 2 or 3 DPD vans there, but never had a problem charging.
I'm always nervous when charging at a Tesla V3 supercharger that a Tesla owner will tell me off for using up 2 bays. There's no way the short cable will reach the charging port on my Mach-E unless I use the charger on the 'wrong' side.
Ian, great video, do you find the range reduced by much with the Aero Covers off the wheels ? I run mine the same but have a trip from Stratford upon Avon to Gleneagles next week and will be squeezing everything out the car loaded with 3 passengers and 3 golf bags plus tight time constraints and wonder if its worth putting them back on ?
Also turns out that he didn't spec the extra £294 for the 150kW DC converter. The car is stuck at a max rate of 50kW on Tesla Superchargers. Absolutely no good reason to use them, a 15 minute charge becomes a 45 minute charge. Oops!
Great videos Ian from new subscriber! Do you think that the people crying wolf here might only seeing charging on public holidays when there could potentially be queueing also on Superchargers? I don´t know - haven´t taken the EV plunge yet but binging yours and RSymons videos. Here in Finland distances are huge and market is small and not so interesting for infrastructure companies - but even here Superchargers (and others)are getting built so I might be able to manage. Now we do get those winters with mandatory winter tyres and potentially -25C temperatures/snowstorms but then it is not nice to travel whatever car you have.
When you are reversing your side cameras are coming on your screen, i have a Model Y, is this standard or part of the enhanced autopilot or unique to a model 3?
Swarco are who runs the ChargePlace Scotland chargers and now installing new and swapping out the older CPS units as what’s just happened in Kinross P&R. On your statement about the Ioniq charging at double costs and Tesla units costing less, well I now charge my Ioniq on Tesla chargers now that even more opened up, inc Aberdeen and Perth, but at lest our charge port is same side/corner as Tesla’s
@@justgetatesla it was a white Ioniq you showed over your shoulder and mentioned parked at the Swarco chargers and paying 64p/kwh compared to your Y on Tesla units paying 41p at peak time.
Travel is easy and doing trips usually less than 150 miles in one day, the Tesla has not needed to use a supercharger yet. Having the knowledge that they are there is great as I do intend to do trips to the South Coast and up to Scotland for another from Nottinghamshire. I am worried that it will charge too quickly and not give much time to eat. My old Kia E Niro needed about 45 minutes which was ideal when stopping for food and drink. 20-25 minutes may be a bit quick!
I love hearing about how cheap it is to charge in the UK, compared to here in Australia where Tesla is always THE most expensive. Considering all Tesla are Solar or Wind powered, and it only costs around 2c per kWh, Tesla are making a HUGE profit margin on the juice they supply. Consequently, I always avoid using Tesla chargers if there is an alternative. Even the 350kW non Tesla chargers max out at 60c compared to 70c for Tesla on a 120 to 250kW charger.
Just wrong. Tesla chargers are not powered by solar and wind in Australia - they are grid connected just like most places in the world. They may be paying a premium for "green" power - I don't know, but that would make their base cost more expensive, not less. And let me remind you that $AU0.60 - 0.70c is less than what Ian was paying on his trip (roughly double his figures and subtract 5% to convert pence AU cents). And the only DC Fast chargers I've found cheaper than Tesla are the 50KW NRMA chargers - EVIE 350kW chargers current rate is AU73 cents per kWH. Tesla does charge a premium to non Tesla drivers unless you pay a subscription fee and the cost also depends on the supercharger location. NSW is more expensive than Victoria for example - when I charged @ Richmond it was only 54c a kWH. I wonder where you are getting your information from?
@@mondotv4216 You are correct in saying they are connected to the grid, BUT, they are not paying for any coal or gas powered energy, it is all green power. However, it is NOT more expensive, because Tesla buys their power (for all charging stations) via a PPA (Power Purchase Agreement). The going rate for PPA's in Australia is 2c/kWh because we have have a huge amount of solar panels (mainly) in the outback, churning out more power than the grid can use (at peak solar - around midday). By buying green, they are eating into the profits of the coal and gas industry. I do the same here at home (Melbourne which averages 5 hours of sunshine per day). I have 6.4kW of solar averaging 30kWh/day, a Tesla PowerWall2 battery (13.5kWh) including the Tesla Gateway (part of a VPN), a Tesla wall connector/charger, and a Tesla Model Y. (all paid for by TSLA share profits thank you very much TSLA). The VPN runs on autopilot, and exports power to the grid when needed, which is quite often. The battery keeps the house running without using much grid power, hence no huge bills. Mostly I'm in credit. As for the Tesla SuperCharger pricing, I have never seen anything lower than 70c and never seen EVIE over 60c (the opposite of what you are saying). My experience is driving over 36000km over the last 18 months.
I enjoyed the video - I can appreciate the advantages of a Tesla (especially if it’s a company car) but from a Non EV drivers perspective, the trip looked an absolute nightmare, I just want to focus on getting from A to B without any hassle. I’ll be doing another trip down to the south of France this Summer and expect a repeat of 2 years ago which was zero fuel stops in my Mercedes eClass diesel estate (in Eco Mode) for the 810 mile journey and arriving with 80 miles range remaining. We drive (fully loaded) for 3 hours, stop for 15 minutes…then repeat, including 1 overnight stop.
Just done East Midlands to Italy. No issue. 893 miles. First charging stop was Calais and overnight sleep (car also charged). Then first stop 15 mins charge and breakfast. Next 45 mins stop for lunch and had to extend charge time because car was ready too soon. Arrived Switzerland in the same time as if we had taken ICE. Charge overnight and next day to Italy no charge stop required. Zero impact from the car. Stick with diesel though, nobody cares what you drive, you don't need to care what anyone else drives, drive what works for you! 👍 Just don't believe the FUD videos that imply it's impossible (agenda at work) 😉
I did that several times in my Tesla (Frans, Italy, Germany) from Belgium. I stop every 3 to 4 hours. But I stop at Super Chargers for my brake. Take a drink/snack in the shop or Hotel nearby for 20 minutes. Sometimes I have to hurry, because the supercharger will send a message to the phone to leave, because you reached your charging limit and it wants you to move the car (otherwise they fine you for every minute you block the charger in idle state). But it is so hard to explain to somebody that never experienced it. It really doesn't slows you down on a long trip. Unless you want to drive 8 hours without stop and eat/drink.
@@djtaylorutube - thanks for your reply, I’m not implying it doesn’t work and it’s clear that the best EV experience is in a Tesla, because of their range and excellent charging network, I’m simply saying that for long road trips / extended journeys, I value the experience of not having TO THINK at all about re-charging / re-fuelling and for me, that makes the journey completely stress free…..that’s purely my perspective, I’m not saying it will be for anyone else.
Cairnlodge Services on the M74 has been taken over by Westmoreland Services now so even though no good for Tesla charging they have opened a charging hub of their own and I’m sure the grub at the restaurant is up to Tebay’s and Cheltenham services standard too.
Ooh have they? To be fair that Tebay restaurant is *banging*. An awful lot of people stop there to eat, whatever the “nobody every stops ever” brigade claim
@@justgetatesla in the days of yore when I used to drive from London to home near Stirling my Range Rovers had good fuel economy and a huge 100ltr diesel tank so I used to stop only for my comfort - leave West London and drive up the M40 to Gaydon for my 1st break then I could get to Teebay North before I needed a meal and comfort break then Stirling Sainsbury to “feed” the car’s tank! I’ve been driving a Mini Electric for 3 years but never ventured more than half a battery’s capacity from home (I have a diesel 2023 Defender these days for longer trips now) but took delivery of a new Electric Mini (should be called the Maxi really) Countryman S E a month ago and will be heading south to Harrogate for the Everything Electric Show at the end of the month - my first all electric road trip………….. i’ve got so much range now I will get to Ionity Carlisle with 20%, top up to 80% to get to Harrogate with 25% left all being well and there’s a Supercharger open to all EVs there but it’s a V3 and for some reason the Tesla app thinks my address is in Norway not Scotland and won’t let me create an account at the moment. Plenty of other chargers in the area, including some 7kW units at the hotel I’m staying at but they aren’t free ones………
SWARCO have been running / mis-running Charge Place Scotland now for long enough. Bought the charger manufacturer that is e-Volt. Used to run the back shop for BP Pulse. Carry out Maintenance for most of the 32 Local authorities in Scotland. Are in a love in with the Scottish Government / SNP and should be looked into by the Competitions & Markets Authority. They are part of the EV charging mess in Scotland, them and the contractors doing the work with many Millions of Public funding in Scotland.
Where did you get that little clock from at the base of the screen, if you don’t mind me asking? Must be easier than trying to see the one on the actual screen.
Thanks! V2 and V3 all look the same. V2 have two cables - one for the old connector on Tesla Model S and X, the other CCS. V3 is only a CCS connector. V4 are solid white, no gap in the middle
Love the real-world experiences here but not the feeling you need to answer the anti-ev brigade. Those that support the huge fossil-fuel industry won't take any notice of this type of life (imho). I just think we need to hold our heads high. Just a thought.
Good video 👍🏻 I do enjoy MM's video's as well though 😉 Am still up for trying to get a month's Tesla hire somehow but prices are somewhat mental. A one hour test drive just won't cut it and being a normal person they don't let you have a car for longer. I can't even see the overnight test drive working cus I'd have to stay up for hours and how unsafe would that be. Crazy. Anyway, I love the driving up there watching your video's. I must get my lazy ass up there with my good lady and the S3 and enjoy Scotland. 😄 Cheers 🍻
Absolutely you should do this and the really key thing is to do a long trip and experience how the charging works. Then repeat for others if you wish. Occasionally things aren't perfect, we're rummaging around in Italy at the moment and haven't touched a supercharger in Italy yet. Several enroute but none nearby. Took a trip to Bergamo yesterday, only to find the supercharger site closed so another 85p job on the way back after finding the first one out of action. Frustratingly, after we'd departed, about half way home and the supercharger site opened. Grr. Definitely something to experience though and also compare with other makes. While MM sneers at Tesla, we bought ours after consideration of pros and cons and ultimately what we wanted from a car: Safety score, space, hatchback, ease of using it as a car on roadtrips. Unlike a badly spec'd Taycan, it's not limited at Superchargers. Who would spend £120,000 on a car and cheap out by not selecting the 150kW DC DC converter? That's why in his latest trip on Tesla chargers, he experiences a tragic 50kW charge rate, that's all the default car does. Car limited! A 15 minute charge turns into a 45 minute charge and that's huge.
@@djtaylorutube if I could charge from home and had stupid money then I'd love the Taycan, however the reality is that the Tesla network wipes the floor with any other and so does the charging experience and the 'interop' between car and charger. No app needed; no cards, just plug it in. Thanks 👍🏻
@@Richard_Barnes Exactly and depending on the purpose, if all you ever needed was staying within home range, any EV is on the menu. Going on a roadtrip is where the difference becomes clear. 👍
@@justgetatesla "I think you'll find" you'd get more viewers if you began by first making sandwiches, cutting off the crusts, cutting them into triangles for a packed charging lunch and stepping out in your best beige cardigan. I dare you!
Stopping every two hours is not only better for charge speed but it can also fit into normal bio, leg stretch, and coffee breaks. Cars and chargers these days are often ready to go before I have queued at Costa and visited the loo. 15 minutes is now too short.
Surely if tesla decide to open up their old chargers to any ev, they just need to roll out longer cables as they are making them available. Im sure they will get round to it eventually but its disappointing that they didnt have the foresight to do this already. I would assume its basic business logic that tesla will fix this when they realise that the current arrangement prevents some of the chargers being used at busy times. There is no going back. Tesla will want all tesla chargers to earn their keep and pay back the investment by being utilised as much as possible, regardless and which brand car is charging.
@@justgetatesla Longer cables, that could reach anywhere around the car, and a sign/arrow saying where to park for which charger is the only solution that's idiot proof. If not, cables long enough to reach one side and relying on people either parking forwards or backwards to suit the cable.
Of course longer cables are the answer….why do you think V4 chargers are centrally located with a cable long enough to go to the right..or left side of the vehicle
IMHO it is a mistake by Tesla to open chargers up to other cars. Apart from the issue of taking up 2 stalls if orientated wrongly, Tesla's charging network is a massive advantage over everyone else. It also means that the stat in the car about stalls occupied is incorrect. I have noticed that the Newcastle (Washington) superchargers are always busy with Model S taxis. Could they be getting free charging perhaps??
If anyone is going to buy new, lease it or PCP it, the battery tech from CATL is astonishing and new electric motors are much more efficient. It will mean Chinese cars with much longer ranges at around £20,000 or less. These batteries are already being used in China. Its why the Model Y juniper is delayed, its going to get the catl battery tech, they are very efficient at low temperatures with longer ranges, it renders the argument that people who dont have off street parking cant have one, most people will go to a public charger maybe once every 3-4 weeks. Or the new MG HS PHEV, it's going to have a 70mile range, so enough for most people, most of the time, with a petrol engine to alleviate range anxiety and for longer trips.
Why buy other cars ?I cant afford a Tesla and your insurance quotes where out of this world .I charge at home mostly so not really a problem, If needs must would pay 85 P a KW on a long journey .Having said that I would love to own a Tesla but for now will make do with my cheap MG4
@@justgetatesla Most carmakers through history went bust. So what happens if Tesla goes the same way? Can you give an answer that at least contemplates the possibility? Even your heated seats are reliant on Tesla servers running, aren't they?
@@usefulrandom1855 Well the size of the bonuses Elon is taking for starters, exceeding the entire annual wage bill 5 times over. With cheap Chinese imports about to flood the west, the sustainability of Tesla's finances will be truly tested. Reckon Elon will move on with his money at a well timed moment.
Tesla charging might be cheapr but my Cupra Born insurance is £300 a year compared to a model 3 at over £1000. Quicker charging equals faster battery degradation so don't buy any Tesla that has been leased which will be 95% of them. Why by other electric cars well build quality of my Born is years ahead of a Tesla with interior nicer plus panel gaps spot on. My Born also gets similar "real world driving" efficiency as the Tesla.
“Nicer” is of course subjective. Which is why I tend not to offer my opinions on other brands design - horses for courses. As for quicker charging = faster deg, that may be the case with brands where the electronics aren’t very good. No issues with Tesla
@@justgetatesla Yes its a choice for owners. Tesla have installed loads of chargers which the UK government haven't bothered. I am thinking of going back to a petrol as values of electric cars are going off a cliff. No dealer tells you you are supposed to only use the battery between 20 and 80%. Imagine a Golf driver being told his car can do 450 miles but he should only fill the car to 50%. I think all 8 year old EV's will be worthless and will possibly have 10 to 30% loss of range. What we need is smaller batteries with loads of rapid chargers as well as cheaper batteries under £4000 to replace. Perhaps a battery lease scheme ?
@@justgetatesla My EV is dropping value every day so its time to sell it. The ev market is about to crash as there are thousands of un registered electric cars filling up docks. Bristol docks is full of MG and Tesla cars. Antwerp docks is full of unsold Chinese electric cars. Tesla cars are not selling even in the USA.
👎 to the new title sequence at the beginning. Not my taste. Seems like 1980s sitcom introduction music. If you’re looking for generic and upbeat, I suppose it fits the bill.
Charging on the wrong bay because of the charge port being on the opposite side to Tesla’s ISNT wrong because Elon allows it, therefore you’ll need to put up with it!
We would all be happier if cars got standardised. That’s why we all have CCS connectors rather than just have whatever the manufacturer wants. As for “need to put up with it” I suspect Tesla will start managing their network so that wrong side cars won’t work
People complaining about charge time are probably complaining about their dishwasher taking a couple of hours to work, or the washing machine taking some hours to wash clothes ... Until you realise actually do something else during that time ! ... Same thing with charging your car : sleeping, eating, stretching your legs, etc.
Once again , looks accessible for the disabled ( not) . No shelter in inclement weather. Curious about assistance for the disabled . The question that never gets answered 🤔.
Wasn't it stupid of all the other manufacturers to build the cars with ports all over the place? You have to remember that Tesla started this over 10 years ago and it was a closed system. Shorter cables are used for good reason. Less loss, less copper=lighter.
I think in the early days it was reasonable to assume other companies would make working charging networks for other cars. They didn't. In light of this evidence, it should have been predictable to car manufacturers that Tesla was becoming a defacto standard and design their cars accordingly.
Making this cable longer on the V2 chargers would have lead to higher looses. Less KW power output. Today with V4 chargers, they are liquid cooled to lower the temperature for the high current. Tesla made the right decision to place the charge part at the corner on the back. It is the best place and reduces the distance between port and charger. I would say, why did most other car makers put the charge port not at the corner of the car, which is the best place. But they didn't have a clue when they developed their EV. They didn't think about the consequences (even without super chargers in mind)..
@@TheVorst Most ICE cars have their filler cap towards the rear of the car, either on the left or the right. I never had a problem getting a petrol pump nozzle to reach either. I take your point about the high current and the cooling but my main point was about the lack of foresight by Tesla. I haven’t tried one myself, but I have read that the longer cables on the V4 superchargers are still a bit short for some EVs. Also, surely Tesla should never have opened their network to others, then this issue wouldn’t be a thing, but they are in business to make money and opening to all would always have been a wise business decision.
Why buy other cars you say? Because I always drive long journeys and I value my time. So you've confirmed for me that EVs aren't suitable for this type of journey yet.
Some sense based on circumstances. We've just driven to Italy from East Midlands, taking the same time we'd have done it in ICE. That's not to say that our plan would be the same as yours but it can be made to work in a very similar way, depending on the car. That's a huge factor.
Until they sort out the batteries and charging time EVs will continue to be a niche product. I will buy an EV when i can drive into a charging point plug in and go from 10 to 80% in 10 minutes or under and the range is at least 450 miles. Elon has looked at the advances in battery technology and realised that really fast charging is at least 10 years away.
I used to be that way, but once you think about it it's not really a problem, at least with Tesla. 90% of the time, I charge at home as that gives me about 180 miles ready to go every morning, and on a cheap rate charge, the equivalent of 300 to 400mpg, not bad for a car that will reach 60 in just over 4 seconds. On a longer trip, the Tesla navigation works it all out, but you usually have to stop every 2.5 hours for 15 to 20 minutes, but by the time you have been to the loo, it's pretty much ready to go again. the Supercharger network is brilliant, just plug it in and the car is recognised and you get billed automatically, and still at about half the cost of the rest of the public network. Have a test drive and you will be amazed.
@@justgetatesla We've just done a trip... To local shops, because that's all the car is good for. First leg was East Midlands to Calais (no charge stop needed, only human). Arrival at the hotel in Calais, Superchargers in the car park so charged while unpacking (now midnight). Up next morning, first stop for 15 mins, quick breakfast and charge. Next stop, 45 mins while having lunch. Had to extend the car charge because it was ready first. Then onto our Airbnb in Switzerland. Charged overnight and next morning to our accommodation in Italy (no change stops needed). Entire journey no impact due to charging. Then we walked to the local shops.
Someone has been blowing smoke up your arse mate. Battery advances are happening rapidly NOW not in 10 years. The new Model Y juniper, has supposedly got the latest LFP batteries from CATL (china) with a 30% increase in range - and there even bigger changes already available, but only for trucks at present. The major limiting factor at the moment is not the batteries, it is the slow charging bottlenecks imposed by most car manufacturers. e.g. I was talking to a BYD owner recently, and he told me his car had a maximum AC (Alternating Current) charging speed of 6.5kW whilst my Tesla right next to him was getting 11kW. Similarly, when DC charging, I get 175kW max, he gets 85kW - so it is more important to know what the CAR'S charging speed is, not the charger IMO.
The problem of blocking bays due to wrong sided charge points for non Teslas will also be severely compounded by the likes of the clown McMaster whom charges to 100% so perpetuates the issue for an extended amount of time. Furthermore there seems to be an issue with Taycans that restricts them to a maximum of 50kw charging speed, so they will block 2 bays for anything between 2-4 times the length of time of Teslas or other faster charging EVs. I’m guessing you were referring to McMaster whom appears to be intentionally stupid as his clickbait approach creates controversy and sadly more subscribers.
Well hopefully after his recent video and subsequent education that his car is limited to only 50kW at Superchargers, he probably won't be using them! Spent 120k, didn't spec the £294 150kW DC DC booster.
Great insight I currently own a BMW 530e and realisesd i am doing 90% of my journeys on electric mode only so effectively carrying a massive engine around for zero benefit. I'm going to put it up for sale the weekend and order the new model 3 refresh. After doing tons or research the amount of negativity about EV's is almost exclusively from people who have never driven or even been in one.
Have a watch of my 2 review videos of the Highland. I loved it!
@stephenoneilI I drove BMW all my live (3 series, 530d, X3 3.0d old and new version), till 5 years ago when I bought a Model 3 LR. I now switched to a Model 3 new version (what a fantastic comfortable and fun driving car). I still have friends of me talking about range issues, overloaded charging stations (at least not with a Tesla), long charging time concerns . I try to convince them, it is not like that at all. But they still don't believe me. I gave up explaining it.
I went from a Mercedes to Tesla 6 years ago and have never regretted for a minute and that is after having now done near 130k miles including driving all over Europe using the Tesla supercharger network. I think the longest I have ever waited for a charging stall is 3 minutes
A colleague of mine got his Nissan Ariya today and loves it. He was quizzing me for a morning about EVs as "I have one of those Teslas". I wondered why he got the Nissan and he says he has only a £230 a month 2 year lease. [5k mileage annually]. That's an awful cheap lease for a 320 mile range EV SUV. I loved various cars I have owned including a Saab 95 TDi and a Jaguar XF 3.0 diesel but I am never going back.
you can't educate an idiot...so I don't bother either.
If someone is genuinely interested and asks me a genuine question then I will give them a genuinely honest answer.
Life's too short to waste my time arguing, I couldn't care less what cars others drive. I enjoy driving mine, it gets me where I want to go at a very cheap cost, is super easy to live with and I don't deliberately poision anybody that I pass!
Had my Model Y delivered 3 weeks ago, found your videos extremely useful in forming my decision to have one and how to get the best out of it now I’ve got it. By the way, i love it!!
Thank you for your videos. Waiting for my own Model 3 2024 and Tesla tells me it should be here around August 30 - Sept 13, cannot wait so I am binging all of your videos and a few other channels :P
My last two visits to the Trafford Centre chargers both required a 15 minute wait in a queue owing to Porches, Jaguars and MG's using the TESLA chargers. End of Teslas best feature IMO.
I cannot understand why Tesla give their USP away
@@andrewp634 ££££££££££ 🚀 🌙 🐶
New title sequence is great! Also kudos for getting out of the hotel car park, that looked very tricky!
I got the red Highland LR - love it!! Had the 2021 LR blue before
I used Dundee SC before it was open to non Teslas, and then I stopped using it because I couldn’t trust whether the available chargers were blocked by a non Tesla. A shame, because the toilets were quite nice there.
So now Perth also recently opened to Non Teslas. That one has been busy beforehand at times, and now I can’t trust a spare charger on my map if it’s less than half the total number of chargers.
That leaves Larkhall. That’s now my “Goto” charger to and from the M74. On the way home, I’d rather spend more time there charging slowly to 90% than risking a queue situation in Perth or Dundee SC.
had to go to charge at the Trafford centre for the first time a couple of weeks ago - found exactly the same thing - 4-5 stalls free BUT couldnt get to them as other manf cars were using the wrong one - had to wait about 10 mins for a tesla to depart. Not a disaster but very annoying!
When open to all cars they should have fitted longer cables as well. No issue then.
Interesting video. But the answer to your question as to why any one would buy anything other than a Tesla is that there are loads of nice EVs out there- some of which are better built and nicer to drive. Tesla’s USP has been the supercharger network but more and more of these sites are now available to all. I drive a Volvo EX30 and when away from home almost always charge on the public Supercharger network.
Another brilliant video Ian! Very informative and enjoyable content. Keep up the great work 😊👏🏼
Great video, as always the roadside scenery was fantastic. If I ever get to the UK as a tourist I think I'm going to rely on public transportation. The narrow streets in town make me nervous and I'm not sure I'm a good enough driver to navigate them.
Totally agree with you re Tebay, we did just that on the way back from Milton Keynes (also filmed for you tube just like you do). My car actually told me to go to Trafford centre but I don't trust the availability shown because the cables are too short so I stick to ionity, 43p for Škoda owners ⚡
I definitely don't miss the 11.8 metre turning circle on my model 3, versus 9.3 on my Škoda 😂
Keep up they good work, I film my work trips down south and find myself smiling because I make many of the same points as you. I even moved from hankook to cross climates 😂
By the way you will have seen swarco..
They operate the chargeplace Scotland network
I love to see the countryside, I do the same here in North America, keep up the travels. Cheers
Like you, I tried the Trafford Centre Superchargers as an experiment. I arrived just after 8pm and they were full of delivery vans, primarily because (IMO) the price dropped at 8pm to just over 30p. Nowadays, it only drops to a low rate after 10pm so maybe it is not as busy with vans before 10pm. You'd think the delivery company (they were all the same company) would do their own thing at a depot. I drive a Q8 etron so the CCS is drivers side front which works fine at a Tesla charger.
To be fair, the advice that it is better and faster to charge multiple times at low charge rather than one charge only applies if you’re guaranteed to find a convenient charger at your next stop. That is true in Norway and that is true for Tesla drivers usually. But unfortunately, for non-Tesla drivers there may only be one or two non Tesla chargers available to them and there may be a queue or they may not be working at all. And that is the reality of what you have to deal with so It may sometimes be better to fully charge where you can rather than try your luck by leaving early.
Re: v4 superchargers, simply locate the charger directly behind the parking space if the cable is longer
The issues faced here are also happening in America now. Chargers on the wrong side, reducing the number of available chargers and you have to wait to charge if you are traveling. Why my neighbors with Tesla's no longer take them on longer trips and only for local driving within 100 miles of our home. They keep a gas or hybrid car for the longer trips. We are not there yet.
So tesla / Elon sharing charging network has ruined the experience for tesla users ? That is so lame
@@majordelays4909 It is the truth, unfortunately.
Red. Picking it up on Tuesday morning. ISE
Oh I wonder who you are referring to. Does he happen to have a Porsche? 🤣🤣
Didn’t he just say it was worth scrap value? Ok ill be generous and offer £200 to take it off him 😁
You are a master at working out the conundrums. Did you use your apple pc to write that?
I live in California. No charging issues here ever. There is chargers everywhere and never busy. For Tesla that is. Is you have any other EV here in California it's a struggle
Thanks for the video. Bought my Austin, TX built Model Y Long Range (Stealth Gray, white interior) a few months ago, haven't visited a Supercharger yet. Only 2 supercharger locations in my city of over 1 million population (Oklahoma City). Charging at home on the Tesla mobile charger on a 240v single phase plug gives me plenty of range for daily driving.
I feel for you trying to get in and out of that hotel parking. Hope your throat feels better soon. I'm looking forward to you getting the new software update. I think you will enjoy it. it's showing lots more cars and has the car big on the screen. Could you let us know what you think of the new software in an upcoming video.
You are correct about Tebay, it's by far the best service station in the country. The hotel is excellent and I'm staying there end of this month on my way up to Dulnain Bridge.
Do not agree about Gloucester services, unfortunately far too busy for me.
I hope to get my Tesla Model Y LR in Grey at the end June.
Been fortunate to have my MY LR Grey for just over a year - never going back. Just been up and down the A1 to Edinburgh and back - it was effortless. 700 miles.
Enjoyed the content, as always.... I can not wait for a proper long journey in mine across country to enjoy the charging ease you are describing.
To be fair this trip wasn’t that easy for charging… 😳
Red with white interior
If not 2nd place would be stealth grey with white interior
Wonder how long Abington will be out for? Gretna still showing as unavailable after 6 months! That’s quite a stretch out of order now
How do you avoid the idle fee if you need ten mins but stay until your 80%?
Do you need to specify your % up front ?
There are lots of cars (not all) where the port is on the wrong side and you can charge in the correct bay on a V3. You just have to get out the car and plug in, then unplug before you can get back in the car (drivers front and rear door) as the cable blocks access. But most people are just lazy and don't care about blocking the other chargers.
Can the non Tesla ev,s not use an extension cable so they don’t block up two bays? Not sure if this is possible or indeed safe
Not possible. An extension wouldn't be liquid cooled. Just a huge NO.
Not only can you not use (or buy as I have tried) an DC extension cable, but there is also no way to charge CCS via chademo or the other way around (they are physically incompatible )
very cool love it!!
Very enjoyable video - don't know if anyone else mentioned but if you don't have the plastic trim on the wheels, this can cost you around 10% in efficiency....
I’ve done a video about that! Didn’t really cost any additional range on my testing, hence leaving them off
@@justgetateslaYep, I have some third party ones on but returning from Italy, I'd have saved far more not driving at the French speed limits and certainly not at the Autobahn speeds.
We wanted a break before the car needed one so I'm not going to worry about a few more miles.
As per Elon’s X message yesterday
Just to reiterate: Tesla will spend well over $500M expanding our Supercharger network to create thousands of NEW chargers this year.
That’s just on new sites and expansions, not counting operations costs, which are much higher.
In other analysis: Elon realises he's a dick, played a petulant dick tantrum and the world looks at him and asks "WT absolute F?!"
His latest tweet could just be airtime pedaling back on massively negative PR.
I’m glad he has now said that! It’s in direct contradiction to his earlier tweet which I put on screen
Thank you for convincing me about the insanity of choosing an EV. Madness!!!
Well thanks for helping me pay for mine, it’s appreciated 👍
You hate the Trafford Centre? We love it - any time we are down in Manchester, we always go there. Can't beat all of the statues. And there are usually 2 or 3 DPD vans there, but never had a problem charging.
Love Manchester City centre. Love Manchester. The Trafford Centre was Trafford trying to kill their neighbours in Manchester.
@@justgetatesla Sadly not true. I live near there and have no problems with the place. Health is still good, in case you were worried
Thank you for the great video! So far I found that Tesla supercharging is reliable and straight forward.
I'm always nervous when charging at a Tesla V3 supercharger that a Tesla owner will tell me off for using up 2 bays. There's no way the short cable will reach the charging port on my Mach-E unless I use the charger on the 'wrong' side.
I wouldn’t tell you off! But when non-Tesla drivers blame the charger, that does bemuse me.
Ian, great video, do you find the range reduced by much with the Aero Covers off the wheels ? I run mine the same but have a trip from Stratford upon Avon to Gleneagles next week and will be squeezing everything out the car loaded with 3 passengers and 3 golf bags plus tight time constraints and wonder if its worth putting them back on ?
I did back to back testing on the same route and didn’t really see a difference
Fantastic, looks much better without so I will keep as is 👍🏻
Hi, White, Red, Grey and Black, in that order (I think) 🙂
Great video
ahah, i know which youtuber you are referring to...he should also realise that the faster he goes, the less efficient it is.
Also turns out that he didn't spec the extra £294 for the 150kW DC converter. The car is stuck at a max rate of 50kW on Tesla Superchargers.
Absolutely no good reason to use them, a 15 minute charge becomes a 45 minute charge.
Oops!
Great videos Ian from new subscriber! Do you think that the people crying wolf here might only seeing charging on public holidays when there could potentially be queueing also on Superchargers? I don´t know - haven´t taken the EV plunge yet but binging yours and RSymons videos. Here in Finland distances are huge and market is small and not so interesting for infrastructure companies - but even here Superchargers (and others)are getting built so I might be able to manage. Now we do get those winters with mandatory winter tyres and potentially -25C temperatures/snowstorms but then it is not nice to travel whatever car you have.
Hopefully you are also watching Bjorn Nyland - his videos in winter show that EVs are quite capable when it’s *really* cold!
When you are reversing your side cameras are coming on your screen, i have a Model Y, is this standard or part of the enhanced autopilot or unique to a model 3?
I also have a model Y! Try swiping up or down the screen (I can’t remember which) with the reverse camera on to “minimise” it and show the others
Swarco are who runs the ChargePlace Scotland chargers and now installing new and swapping out the older CPS units as what’s just happened in Kinross P&R. On your statement about the Ioniq charging at double costs and Tesla units costing less, well I now charge my Ioniq on Tesla chargers now that even more opened up, inc Aberdeen and Perth, but at lest our charge port is same side/corner as Tesla’s
When did I mention Ioniq? I referred to non-Tesla chargers costing double
@@justgetatesla it was a white Ioniq you showed over your shoulder and mentioned parked at the Swarco chargers and paying 64p/kwh compared to your Y on Tesla units paying 41p at peak time.
Yes but that isn’t referring to the car, it’s referring to the charger. I could hook my Tesla up to it and pay the same
So to sum up, if you home charge mostly then any EV works fine, if you do lots of long trips just get a Tesla. Simples.
Travel is easy and doing trips usually less than 150 miles in one day, the Tesla has not needed to use a supercharger yet. Having the knowledge that they are there is great as I do intend to do trips to the South Coast and up to Scotland for another from Nottinghamshire.
I am worried that it will charge too quickly and not give much time to eat. My old Kia E Niro needed about 45 minutes which was ideal when stopping for food and drink. 20-25 minutes may be a bit quick!
Yes! I have charger anxiety - it charges quicker than I want it to!
That's the problem. Just on our way back from Italy to Eat Midlands. Go on, enjoy yourself on the much better European roads. 😉
Tesla M3 is the new Ford Mondeo. Prefer seeing M3 in colours other than white.
Agree, 6 white ones in my estate alone
I need to get mine WRAPPED
@@justgetatesla I got my model x ppf'd at the front..you can also change the colour ..I have a camouflage black ..
I love hearing about how cheap it is to charge in the UK, compared to here in Australia where Tesla is always THE most expensive. Considering all Tesla are Solar or Wind powered, and it only costs around 2c per kWh, Tesla are making a HUGE profit margin on the juice they supply. Consequently, I always avoid using Tesla chargers if there is an alternative. Even the 350kW non Tesla chargers max out at 60c compared to 70c for Tesla on a 120 to 250kW charger.
It’s so odd the way it’s so completely different here vs there!
Just wrong. Tesla chargers are not powered by solar and wind in Australia - they are grid connected just like most places in the world. They may be paying a premium for "green" power - I don't know, but that would make their base cost more expensive, not less. And let me remind you that $AU0.60 - 0.70c is less than what Ian was paying on his trip (roughly double his figures and subtract 5% to convert pence AU cents). And the only DC Fast chargers I've found cheaper than Tesla are the 50KW NRMA chargers - EVIE 350kW chargers current rate is AU73 cents per kWH. Tesla does charge a premium to non Tesla drivers unless you pay a subscription fee and the cost also depends on the supercharger location. NSW is more expensive than Victoria for example - when I charged @ Richmond it was only 54c a kWH. I wonder where you are getting your information from?
@@mondotv4216 You are correct in saying they are connected to the grid, BUT, they are not paying for any coal or gas powered energy, it is all green power. However, it is NOT more expensive, because Tesla buys their power (for all charging stations) via a PPA (Power Purchase Agreement). The going rate for PPA's in Australia is 2c/kWh because we have have a huge amount of solar panels (mainly) in the outback, churning out more power than the grid can use (at peak solar - around midday). By buying green, they are eating into the profits of the coal and gas industry. I do the same here at home (Melbourne which averages 5 hours of sunshine per day). I have 6.4kW of solar averaging 30kWh/day, a Tesla PowerWall2 battery (13.5kWh) including the Tesla Gateway (part of a VPN), a Tesla wall connector/charger, and a Tesla Model Y. (all paid for by TSLA share profits thank you very much TSLA). The VPN runs on autopilot, and exports power to the grid when needed, which is quite often. The battery keeps the house running without using much grid power, hence no huge bills. Mostly I'm in credit. As for the Tesla SuperCharger pricing, I have never seen anything lower than 70c and never seen EVIE over 60c (the opposite of what you are saying). My experience is driving over 36000km over the last 18 months.
I enjoyed the video - I can appreciate the advantages of a Tesla (especially if it’s a company car) but from a Non EV drivers perspective, the trip looked an absolute nightmare, I just want to focus on getting from A to B without any hassle. I’ll be doing another trip down to the south of France this Summer and expect a repeat of 2 years ago which was zero fuel stops in my Mercedes eClass diesel estate (in Eco Mode) for the 810 mile journey and arriving with 80 miles range remaining. We drive (fully loaded) for 3 hours, stop for 15 minutes…then repeat, including 1 overnight stop.
I drove for 3 hours and then stopped, just like you did!
Just done East Midlands to Italy. No issue. 893 miles.
First charging stop was Calais and overnight sleep (car also charged).
Then first stop 15 mins charge and breakfast. Next 45 mins stop for lunch and had to extend charge time because car was ready too soon.
Arrived Switzerland in the same time as if we had taken ICE. Charge overnight and next day to Italy no charge stop required. Zero impact from the car.
Stick with diesel though, nobody cares what you drive, you don't need to care what anyone else drives, drive what works for you! 👍
Just don't believe the FUD videos that imply it's impossible (agenda at work) 😉
I did that several times in my Tesla (Frans, Italy, Germany) from Belgium. I stop every 3 to 4 hours. But I stop at Super Chargers for my brake. Take a drink/snack in the shop or Hotel nearby for 20 minutes. Sometimes I have to hurry, because the supercharger will send a message to the phone to leave, because you reached your charging limit and it wants you to move the car (otherwise they fine you for every minute you block the charger in idle state). But it is so hard to explain to somebody that never experienced it. It really doesn't slows you down on a long trip. Unless you want to drive 8 hours without stop and eat/drink.
@@TheVorst Yes, very hard to explain, it has to be experienced.
@@djtaylorutube - thanks for your reply, I’m not implying it doesn’t work and it’s clear that the best EV experience is in a Tesla, because of their range and excellent charging network, I’m simply saying that for long road trips / extended journeys, I value the experience of not having TO THINK at all about re-charging / re-fuelling and for me, that makes the journey completely stress free…..that’s purely my perspective, I’m not saying it will be for anyone else.
Cairnlodge Services on the M74 has been taken over by Westmoreland Services now so even though no good for Tesla charging they have opened a charging hub of their own and I’m sure the grub at the restaurant is up to Tebay’s and Cheltenham services standard too.
Ooh have they? To be fair that Tebay restaurant is *banging*. An awful lot of people stop there to eat, whatever the “nobody every stops ever” brigade claim
@@justgetatesla in the days of yore when I used to drive from London to home near Stirling my Range Rovers had good fuel economy and a huge 100ltr diesel tank so I used to stop only for my comfort - leave West London and drive up the M40 to Gaydon for my 1st break then I could get to Teebay North before I needed a meal and comfort break then Stirling Sainsbury to “feed” the car’s tank! I’ve been driving a Mini Electric for 3 years but never ventured more than half a battery’s capacity from home (I have a diesel 2023 Defender these days for longer trips now) but took delivery of a new Electric Mini (should be called the Maxi really) Countryman S E a month ago and will be heading south to Harrogate for the Everything Electric Show at the end of the month - my first all electric road trip………….. i’ve got so much range now I will get to Ionity Carlisle with 20%, top up to 80% to get to Harrogate with 25% left all being well and there’s a Supercharger open to all EVs there but it’s a V3 and for some reason the Tesla app thinks my address is in Norway not Scotland and won’t let me create an account at the moment. Plenty of other chargers in the area, including some 7kW units at the hotel I’m staying at but they aren’t free ones………
SWARCO have been running / mis-running Charge Place Scotland now for long enough. Bought the charger manufacturer that is e-Volt. Used to run the back shop for BP Pulse. Carry out Maintenance for most of the 32 Local authorities in Scotland. Are in a love in with the Scottish Government / SNP and should be looked into by the Competitions & Markets Authority. They are part of the EV charging mess in Scotland, them and the contractors doing the work with many Millions of Public funding in Scotland.
Blue
I’d love to get a Tesla, but the monthly is double what I pay for my mg4
11:29 is AMM 2 Model S plugged in? I don't see the cable...
I think swarco now operate the ChargePointScotland network.
"Operate" is a strong word, but yes, they do
Very Ski Sunday feel to it...
Well both have snow in them!
Where did you get that little clock from at the base of the screen, if you don’t mind me asking? Must be easier than trying to see the one on the actual screen.
Is it his smartphone charging?
@@davidjohnbarnardoh yeah. Must get my glasses sorted 😂
Yes, it’s my iPhone!
Love this channel 👍🏻 How do you know what type of charger they are eg V2 V3 etc
Just look on the Tesla app map. If it's 150kW it's V2 if it's 250kW it's a V3 (or V4).
Thanks! V2 and V3 all look the same. V2 have two cables - one for the old connector on Tesla Model S and X, the other CCS. V3 is only a CCS connector. V4 are solid white, no gap in the middle
Love the real-world experiences here but not the feeling you need to answer the anti-ev brigade. Those that support the huge fossil-fuel industry won't take any notice of this type of life (imho). I just think we need to hold our heads high. Just a thought.
Answer them? No. Laugh at them? Yes
Good video 👍🏻 I do enjoy MM's video's as well though 😉 Am still up for trying to get a month's Tesla hire somehow but prices are somewhat mental. A one hour test drive just won't cut it and being a normal person they don't let you have a car for longer. I can't even see the overnight test drive working cus I'd have to stay up for hours and how unsafe would that be. Crazy. Anyway, I love the driving up there watching your video's. I must get my lazy ass up there with my good lady and the S3 and enjoy Scotland. 😄 Cheers 🍻
Absolutely you should do this and the really key thing is to do a long trip and experience how the charging works.
Then repeat for others if you wish.
Occasionally things aren't perfect, we're rummaging around in Italy at the moment and haven't touched a supercharger in Italy yet. Several enroute but none nearby. Took a trip to Bergamo yesterday, only to find the supercharger site closed so another 85p job on the way back after finding the first one out of action. Frustratingly, after we'd departed, about half way home and the supercharger site opened. Grr.
Definitely something to experience though and also compare with other makes.
While MM sneers at Tesla, we bought ours after consideration of pros and cons and ultimately what we wanted from a car: Safety score, space, hatchback, ease of using it as a car on roadtrips.
Unlike a badly spec'd Taycan, it's not limited at Superchargers. Who would spend £120,000 on a car and cheap out by not selecting the 150kW DC DC converter? That's why in his latest trip on Tesla chargers, he experiences a tragic 50kW charge rate, that's all the default car does. Car limited!
A 15 minute charge turns into a 45 minute charge and that's huge.
@@djtaylorutube if I could charge from home and had stupid money then I'd love the Taycan, however the reality is that the Tesla network wipes the floor with any other and so does the charging experience and the 'interop' between car and charger. No app needed; no cards, just plug it in. Thanks 👍🏻
@@Richard_Barnes Exactly and depending on the purpose, if all you ever needed was staying within home range, any EV is on the menu. Going on a roadtrip is where the difference becomes clear. 👍
Thanks! I watch MacMaster as well- genuinely have learned a not from him in terms of both putting videos together and how to spin content
@@justgetatesla "I think you'll find" you'd get more viewers if you began by first making sandwiches, cutting off the crusts, cutting them into triangles for a packed charging lunch and stepping out in your best beige cardigan.
I dare you!
Stopping every two hours is not only better for charge speed but it can also fit into normal bio, leg stretch, and coffee breaks. Cars and chargers these days are often ready to go before I have queued at Costa and visited the loo. 15 minutes is now too short.
Surely if tesla decide to open up their old chargers to any ev, they just need to roll out longer cables as they are making them available. Im sure they will get round to it eventually but its disappointing that they didnt have the foresight to do this already. I would assume its basic business logic that tesla will fix this when they realise that the current arrangement prevents some of the chargers being used at busy times. There is no going back. Tesla will want all tesla chargers to earn their keep and pay back the investment by being utilised as much as possible, regardless and which brand car is charging.
I don’t think longer cables are the solution - people will still use the wrong side. Signs are needed!!
@@justgetatesla Longer cables, that could reach anywhere around the car, and a sign/arrow saying where to park for which charger is the only solution that's idiot proof. If not, cables long enough to reach one side and relying on people either parking forwards or backwards to suit the cable.
Of course longer cables are the answer….why do you think V4 chargers are centrally located with a cable long enough to go to the right..or left side of the vehicle
Why did you go out of the hotel car park the wrong way .. those arrows indicated that that was the entrance to the car park not the exit.
There is very literally one single way in and out. Whatever the arrows show
Love the music and graphic intro.
I didn't love the music, it was way too loud IMO. 😞
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IMHO it is a mistake by Tesla to open chargers up to other cars. Apart from the issue of taking up 2 stalls if orientated wrongly, Tesla's charging network is a massive advantage over everyone else. It also means that the stat in the car about stalls occupied is incorrect. I have noticed that the Newcastle (Washington) superchargers are always busy with Model S taxis. Could they be getting free charging perhaps??
Follow the money
If anyone is going to buy new, lease it or PCP it, the battery tech from CATL is astonishing and new electric motors are much more efficient. It will mean Chinese cars with much longer ranges at around £20,000 or less. These batteries are already being used in China. Its why the Model Y juniper is delayed, its going to get the catl battery tech, they are very efficient at low temperatures with longer ranges, it renders the argument that people who dont have off street parking cant have one, most people will go to a public charger maybe once every 3-4 weeks. Or the new MG HS PHEV, it's going to have a 70mile range, so enough for most people, most of the time, with a petrol engine to alleviate range anxiety and for longer trips.
But for those without home charging, it's the cost which is the big problem, range less so.
Why buy other cars ?I cant afford a Tesla and your insurance quotes where out of this world .I charge at home mostly so not really a problem, If needs must would pay 85 P a KW on a long journey .Having said that I would love to own a Tesla but for now will make do with my cheap MG4
We had an Ioniq EV and loved it!
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The iPace and Mach E drivers should have parked together. They don't understand what problem they're causing.
Do they care?
@@davidjohnbarnardI very much doubt it.
What a mental case.
No need to to confess
Supposedly, BP bought the Tesla charging network.
Nope. That's not what has been reported at all
They’re wanting to buy sites Tesla had proposed in America for new superchargers. Not buying the actual existing superchargers
Tesla power cheaper . Maybe just a come on and when they have more Teslas on the road the price will be put up . They are in control , not you .
Shouldn’t these guys get an idle charge for using two spaces
When Tesla go bust, I wonder what in the vehicles out there, will remain functional?
What makes you think they will go bust?
Because he has read it on the internet
@@justgetatesla True, he should look at a balance sheet or two. Notably Ford or GM haha
@@justgetatesla Most carmakers through history went bust.
So what happens if Tesla goes the same way?
Can you give an answer that at least contemplates the possibility?
Even your heated seats are reliant on Tesla servers running, aren't they?
@@usefulrandom1855 Well the size of the bonuses Elon is taking for starters, exceeding the entire annual wage bill 5 times over. With cheap Chinese imports about to flood the west, the sustainability of Tesla's finances will be truly tested.
Reckon Elon will move on with his money at a well timed moment.
Tesla charging might be cheapr but my Cupra Born insurance is £300 a year compared to a model 3 at over £1000. Quicker charging equals faster battery degradation so don't buy any Tesla that has been leased which will be 95% of them. Why by other electric cars well build quality of my Born is years ahead of a Tesla with interior nicer plus panel gaps spot on. My Born also gets similar "real world driving" efficiency as the Tesla.
“Nicer” is of course subjective. Which is why I tend not to offer my opinions on other brands design - horses for courses. As for quicker charging = faster deg, that may be the case with brands where the electronics aren’t very good. No issues with Tesla
@@justgetatesla Yes its a choice for owners. Tesla have installed loads of chargers which the UK government haven't bothered. I am thinking of going back to a petrol as values of electric cars are going off a cliff. No dealer tells you you are supposed to only use the battery between 20 and 80%. Imagine a Golf driver being told his car can do 450 miles but he should only fill the car to 50%. I think all 8 year old EV's will be worthless and will possibly have 10 to 30% loss of range. What we need is smaller batteries with loads of rapid chargers as well as cheaper batteries under £4000 to replace. Perhaps a battery lease scheme ?
@@RB-lt8ktI have an LPG Volvo with a 60 litre tank, that can only be filled to 80% too.
You can go to 100% when you need to! Most people most of the time don’t need to.
@@justgetatesla My EV is dropping value every day so its time to sell it. The ev market is about to crash as there are thousands of un registered electric cars filling up docks. Bristol docks is full of MG and Tesla cars. Antwerp docks is full of unsold Chinese electric cars. Tesla cars are not selling even in the USA.
👎 to the new title sequence at the beginning. Not my taste. Seems like 1980s sitcom introduction music. If you’re looking for generic and upbeat, I suppose it fits the bill.
It reminds me of “Invisible Touch”. Then again, I *love* Genesis!
Charging on the wrong bay because of the charge port being on the opposite side to Tesla’s ISNT wrong because Elon allows it, therefore you’ll need to put up with it!
We would all be happier if cars got standardised. That’s why we all have CCS connectors rather than just have whatever the manufacturer wants. As for “need to put up with it” I suspect Tesla will start managing their network so that wrong side cars won’t work
@@justgetatesla Wrong to much money involved, Elon's got to pay for the rocket vanity project somehow.
The rocket vanity project which delivers payloads to orbit for a fraction of the price of anyone else civil or government? That vanity project?
People complaining about charge time are probably complaining about their dishwasher taking a couple of hours to work, or the washing machine taking some hours to wash clothes ... Until you realise actually do something else during that time ! ... Same thing with charging your car : sleeping, eating, stretching your legs, etc.
Soulless cars
Buying other cars because Tesla’s are too expensive and too many faults, as well as short warranty and can ALSO use Tesla chargers with my Ioniq
Once again , looks accessible for the disabled ( not) . No shelter in inclement weather. Curious about assistance for the disabled . The question that never gets answered 🤔.
The answer is no. I'd suggest that you tweet Elon but he just fired all the Supercharger team.
Valid question - my dad had a motability car for years until he had to stop driving. Wouldn’t have been able to plug the charger in at the end.
18:02 cannot afford it because of lease payments? 🤦♂
I don’t have a lease
Could have charged faster and bothered to move your car in the car park and considered others....So you charged slower...
I really didn’t
So defensive.
Wasn’t it very shortsighted of Tesla to design their superchargers with such short cables, in the first place? Bad business decision.
Wasn't it stupid of all the other manufacturers to build the cars with ports all over the place?
You have to remember that Tesla started this over 10 years ago and it was a closed system. Shorter cables are used for good reason. Less loss, less copper=lighter.
No because the chargers were designed for Tesla cars not everyone else. The V4 chargers are fine for non Tesla's.
I think in the early days it was reasonable to assume other companies would make working charging networks for other cars. They didn't. In light of this evidence, it should have been predictable to car manufacturers that Tesla was becoming a defacto standard and design their cars accordingly.
Making this cable longer on the V2 chargers would have lead to higher looses. Less KW power output. Today with V4 chargers, they are liquid cooled to lower the temperature for the high current. Tesla made the right decision to place the charge part at the corner on the back. It is the best place and reduces the distance between port and charger. I would say, why did most other car makers put the charge port not at the corner of the car, which is the best place. But they didn't have a clue when they developed their EV. They didn't think about the consequences (even without super chargers in mind)..
@@TheVorst Most ICE cars have their filler cap towards the rear of the car, either on the left or the right. I never had a problem getting a petrol pump nozzle to reach either. I take your point about the high current and the cooling but my main point was about the lack of foresight by Tesla. I haven’t tried one myself, but I have read that the longer cables on the V4 superchargers are still a bit short for some EVs. Also, surely Tesla should never have opened their network to others, then this issue wouldn’t be a thing, but they are in business to make money and opening to all would always have been a wise business decision.
I still couldn’t live with a bland Tesla
Why buy other cars you say? Because I always drive long journeys and I value my time. So you've confirmed for me that EVs aren't suitable for this type of journey yet.
Some sense based on circumstances. We've just driven to Italy from East Midlands, taking the same time we'd have done it in ICE.
That's not to say that our plan would be the same as yours but it can be made to work in a very similar way, depending on the car. That's a huge factor.
I also value my time. It is literally money. And running an EV costs minimal time but saves mega money. And is rocket ship quick if that’s your thing
Elon , the genius ,is turning all Tesla owners into zombies who life’s purpose has become charging and recharging their cars .
No, my purpose is in making videos about something you find so boring that you come here to tell us why it’s so boring.
Until they sort out the batteries and charging time EVs will continue to be a niche product. I will buy an EV when i can drive into a charging point plug in and go from 10 to 80% in 10 minutes or under and the range is at least 450 miles. Elon has looked at the advances in battery technology and realised that really fast charging is at least 10 years away.
Polestar 5 for you perhaps? 10 to 80% in 10 minutes.
I used to be that way, but once you think about it it's not really a problem, at least with Tesla. 90% of the time, I charge at home as that gives me about 180 miles ready to go every morning, and on a cheap rate charge, the equivalent of 300 to 400mpg, not bad for a car that will reach 60 in just over 4 seconds. On a longer trip, the Tesla navigation works it all out, but you usually have to stop every 2.5 hours for 15 to 20 minutes, but by the time you have been to the loo, it's pretty much ready to go again. the Supercharger network is brilliant, just plug it in and the car is recognised and you get billed automatically, and still at about half the cost of the rest of the public network. Have a test drive and you will be amazed.
I don’t understand the range point. 450 miles? 8 continuous hours of driving at the motorway speed limit? With no break? Doesn’t sound like fun
@@justgetatesla We've just done a trip... To local shops, because that's all the car is good for.
First leg was East Midlands to Calais (no charge stop needed, only human).
Arrival at the hotel in Calais, Superchargers in the car park so charged while unpacking (now midnight).
Up next morning, first stop for 15 mins, quick breakfast and charge.
Next stop, 45 mins while having lunch. Had to extend the car charge because it was ready first.
Then onto our Airbnb in Switzerland. Charged overnight and next morning to our accommodation in Italy (no change stops needed).
Entire journey no impact due to charging.
Then we walked to the local shops.
Someone has been blowing smoke up your arse mate. Battery advances are happening rapidly NOW not in 10 years. The new Model Y juniper, has supposedly got the latest LFP batteries from CATL (china) with a 30% increase in range - and there even bigger changes already available, but only for trucks at present. The major limiting factor at the moment is not the batteries, it is the slow charging bottlenecks imposed by most car manufacturers. e.g. I was talking to a BYD owner recently, and he told me his car had a maximum AC (Alternating Current) charging speed of 6.5kW whilst my Tesla right next to him was getting 11kW. Similarly, when DC charging, I get 175kW max, he gets 85kW - so it is more important to know what the CAR'S charging speed is, not the charger IMO.
The problem of blocking bays due to wrong sided charge points for non Teslas will also be severely compounded by the likes of the clown McMaster whom charges to 100% so perpetuates the issue for an extended amount of time. Furthermore there seems to be an issue with Taycans that restricts them to a maximum of 50kw charging speed, so they will block 2 bays for anything between 2-4 times the length of time of Teslas or other faster charging EVs. I’m guessing you were referring to McMaster whom appears to be intentionally stupid as his clickbait approach creates controversy and sadly more subscribers.
Well hopefully after his recent video and subsequent education that his car is limited to only 50kW at Superchargers, he probably won't be using them!
Spent 120k, didn't spec the £294 150kW DC DC booster.
They all crap
Good use of grammar!
Poor grammar, but do you mean cars or chargers? Three words don't really provide clarity.
“They all crap”. Ok…
@@samwilson2300 He's problee from a West LA 'hood'. (not a spelling error) ;-)
How do you avoid the idle fee if you need ten mins but stay until your 80%?
Do you need to specify your % up front ?
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