Good presentation of what looks like a very normal life. I mean that as a compliment. Your moving about didn’t feature electricity very much. If you weren’t filming this, I imagine you hardly notice. Personally I don’t like Tesla cars as such, but I admire the company and it’s strategy. Finally, and I’m not planning to start an argument, but I’m a very highly qualified commercial scientist who’s operated at C-suite level. The entire human release of carbon dioxide is causing a climate crisis narrative is total lies. CO2 is a greenhouse gas but it’s weak and already saturated. It’s not a driver of epochal changes in global temperature. That’s definitely due to orbital variations and precession of polar axis, amplified by solar output variations. Bad people have used money over decades to fund a lie. The intentionally incorrect narrative is so well ingrained in every component of life, from actual science to university funding, to ownership of scientific journals, to politics, media etc, that it’s impossible to argue without losing your tenured position. I don’t think that many involved even know it’s a total fraud. But it is.
Ok. So take an EV as a different kind of powertrain. Once you’ve had an electric motor, you never want to go back to a gearbox. Mechanical cars are out of the ark.
@@justgetatesla There's little doubting that the power train is superior in so many ways, I might even go so far as to say in every way but you're conveniently missing the elephant in the room. Also, the ark got to it's destination on a single charge.
What massive investments?! Fast chargers are hugely expensive infrastructure, yes... but, destination chargers (appropriate for hotel overnight stays)- those can cost less than $1000 each? Tesla earlier did them FOR FREE for business partners. and electricity is often cheaper at commercial rates... if it attracts business, as a perk, then.. pays off? just like installing a gym, pool, fancy coffee machines in every room, etc? It's an investment.
When I look for a hotel, or Airbnb, I check the box "with EV charging" so as an owner offering accommodation, do you want the business from me or not? Either answer is ok, it's hypothetical. We had an Airbnb in Cornwall with EV charging. The owner didn't even have an EV, just put it in for the barn accommodation because he thought it would attract business. They can still charge for the power, it's the convenience which is the attractive part.
People buried in a field in Aberdeenshire.That is a well known phenomenon in winter,mainly because people don't realise that worn summer tyres in snow/ice/slippery conditions is very dangerous.In my part of Aberdeenshire we get drifting snow off the fields,and snow clearing is a shovel.Every car I have gets treated to Nokian(other brands are available) winter tyres and I have never had any issues at all.A normal car with winter boots is much better than a 4x4 on summer tyres.Also fit them on all corners otherwise you end up doing a triple toe loop in front of an artic lorry.
My part isn’t remotely as bad as that, but I am looking at tyres. BTW all the cars I see binned off into fields are the local neds driving at stupid speed. Nothing to do with snow - they do it spring and summer too
@@justgetatesla Yes you are right.We have had numerous cars off the road in the field at the end of our track.One had 4 teenagers in it and it was on it's roof.Seems to be a local thing here.Just insane the idiots and their speed.
This doesn't explain the queue of Tesla EVs in a Romford Car Park last Sunday blocking access to a number of Disabled parking bays whilst they were waiting to charge up. Nor their disgruntled drivers. Given the environmental impact of EVs over their full life (and death) span and the limits of electricity production, especially truly green energy, (if there is such a thing), perhaps we would be better to start breeding horses. (Then we can have a channel called Geoff buys horses!) I also noted the free chargers you used as an example was at the dead of night, just maybe that was why they weren't being used. Perhaps EVs are a good idea for some, but not everyone.
Erm, you see that thumbnail? Showing free chargers? You see the sky? That’s not the middle of the night. Nor was Hilton Park. Nor was Eurocentral - 6pm is not the middle of the night. Try harder love
@justgetatesla But what about the Tesla chargers in a Romford (in east London) car park on a Sunday afternoon? Too many cars chasing too few chargers and their drivers' blood pressures were definitely high (judging by the language). And yes, they were all Tesla vehicles. X, good at rockets but EVs need much more work.
@@raymondwoods2304 Now now, don't tell fibs, you'll upset the EV community and they'll be after you. You know very well that there are never any queues for EV chargers anywhere, not even Teslas. I didn't see any at Tebay and you didn't see any at Romford. You know we're just making it up for fun.
i notice u always have loads of other things to do whilst making journeys ... most of us dont we need to get where we are going under certain time constraints ... wish i was in your position with all this extra time u have to do all these other things :)
I do loads of journeys where time is tight. Like part 2 of this trip (next week's video). But I don't have the ability to simply drive all day and ignore work. So I need to stop and do some of it.
Yes, always the same with the vloggers. In 45 years of driving I've NEVER had to wait around at a service station and never wanted to, especially given the prices and the quality of the food in many cases. For the life of me I can't think of too many people who have any work to do when they stop to fill up. Most of us just want to get where we are going, especially if it means we're likely to hit rush hour traffic later on. What I don't understand is why they keep trying to tout all this stopping and waiting around as some sort of advantage over ICE cars (I've actually seen at least one EV fan post that), or at least not concede that it's a disadvantage. And all the food and coffee they buy at motorway service stations must cost more than they're saving on fuel! If they're saving anything at all, all things considered.
I swapped from a Model 3 SR+ (driven for ~ 3years,50k miles) to a Polestar 2 DM (as one was available in the fleet). Tesla experience was seamless. Never had to wait for a charger, never had a failed charge. While I love the car itself, the charging has been a nightmare on any long journey. Example, I had to drive Coast of Essex - Wolverhampton and back yesterday. Stooped at Rugby services, all chargers full and 3 people waiting. Had a bit of leeway so went up the road to Corley. All Instavolt and Gridserve chargers running at max 30kW. Selection of cars trying to charge including Audi Q4, etron, Merc EQS, MG4 and my Polestar.Phoned support, nothing they could do. Turned what should have been a 6 hour round trip with charging into nearly 8 hours (partially due to traffic). Rugby redeemed itself on the way home, but I took the only available charger and managed to get to 80% in 40 mins. The infrastructure just isn't there, and it get's worse with every new Electric car (non-Tesla) on the road.
witchcraft I tell you!😁 Sometimes have to choose a v2 Supercharger to tactically get a slower charge to give more time for a longer food stop. Nobody talks about *that* problem.
@@-A-lm5xbI can charge up for free at home and supermarket = 0p/mile Off peak tariff 9p/kwh = 3p/mile when supercharging the max price I have seen is 50p/kwh = 16p/mile but I have charged at 25p/kwh and 35p/kwh. The non/tesla charging had horrendous cost so won’t use it. I also have a diesel atmm so, i’m not an evangelist but the ev has no/low maintenance costs. Diesel is great and you can go a long way but for most journeys electric is great. Superb acceleration and the car does most of the driving.
totally agree with this. I often find that its charging TOO QUICK! I only need 15 mins or so and by the time I've used the toilet, grabbed a coffee and walked back, the car is shouting at me to disconnect and get a move on :)
@@smithleon Yep on my first "long trip" which wasn't that long but nonetheless the first one involving winter and needing to charge away from home and I wasn't sure what to expect. It was East Midlands, down to Reading and back and the plan was to charge at Warwick Northbound. Car suggested Banbury though which I did. Prices were higher then so didn't want anything more than I needed and it was 6 minutes FFS. I *wanted* longer because I wanted to combine with that a pee stop and get a coffee as I would do in my diesel. Stupid car.
worth mentioning with a video like this with a lot of actual driving in it, that the free included autopilot in a Tesla is excellent. Get into Lane 1, turn it on and it'll auto cruise and auto-steer for miles and miles without any issues incredibly well. In slow moving traffic it'll just move along with traffic completely on its own. It's been a game-changer for me on long trips.
I deliberately left out much of the tech in this video. But do talk about autopilot on next weeks video where traffic and the weather add hours of delays…
Unless driving South in winter..."Multiple cameras blocked or blinded" human you drive! This isn't actually a problem though as Californian's don't have winter so no enhancement required.
@@djtaylorutube Yea, plus it drives far too close and too fast for my taste in bad conditions. Bizarrely it does not seem able to take account of mapping information, for example to see there are sharp bends or an intersection or roundabout ahead so it should reduce speed in anticipation.
@@john_hind I think it's starting to now? Certainly some roundabouts appear to be treated as junctions and it slows down but it's not consistent so you never know. I agree about the mapping, in the early days when I was experimenting with AP, I found it taking some country roads with far more enthusiasm than I would have done. I know that's not the target road but a little more inspiration of the data could make it so. Who knows, if the AI model ever happens, it could be different. I've bought into the dream so to speak, I consider it a journey of discovery as someone interested in tech stuff. I didn't buy in with the expectation that anything is guaranteed. Rightly it wrongly, it's just a ride... I do wish we'd see more useful features adding though, just porting over another random 8 bit console game isn't one of them. I was at the Tesla Owners Club meet in Wolverhampton recently and asked for a couple of really low hanging fruits:- Set a desired SoC upon arrival in the planner. Speed limiter as opposed to cruise. Those aren't exactly challenging but far more day to day use than Vampire whatever!
The tech is great , but the way Tesla sell cars is destroying the industry , no trade in's or stupidly low valuations ( they just send the car out to the trade, to the second hand car dealers and take the best quote) it's why Tesla owners sell their own cars ( huge disadvantage) , you have no local dealerships , no local service centers , you are dealing directly with a multinational which is incredibly bad for customers in the long run. Teslas marketing machine is the best in the world it has a Guru at it's CEO( He happens to be a right wing anti democratic nutjob, but Tesla owners love him ) They have convinced people less is more and they are winning , it's the future , until that is we are unable to get car insurance because of dodgy batteries , and car ferry companies refuse to carry them because of the potential for a disaster if one gets caught up in a fire >
Stopping on road trips: Well, done several five hours trips without stop or with just a quick pee somewhere on a rest are (no charging available) or in a little side pocket on the road. On longer trips i can go 1200 km on 60 liter of diesel. And when doing family trips, almost 500 km, we do one long stop on a lovely rest area just besides the road with toilets, tables, nice view, playgrounds, grass, trees. You can not even charge your phone there... Then we do one quick for toilet, lovely toilet, playground, just besides the road. No charging available either. So if we should do this with a BEV, first of all, those are not a spacious as our wagon, and second of all, we would need another stop just for charging, and seven to eight hour is enough already. Or we would have to take a rest on a boring parking lot, often a bit away from the road, cars, noises and... well, how fun, for the kid, and us. This is really a big deal. And then factor in that we, as around 2.000.000 households in Sweden, can not charge at home. Nor can i charge at work. And then winter will take the range down to up to half of what is available during summer. Also remember that if you charge for 20 minutes, then you add almost 30 minutes to the trip. This will add up on longer trips, way more than a quick stop to relieve yourself. I would stop, get our, pee, get in, go almost before the charging would have begun. And no, i am not in a hurry, but i do want to arrive and not spend the time just waiting.
@@justgetateslaThat is not true in reality though. As one example in your video: From that you leave the road you are travelling on until you have reached and parked and started charging, it was two minutes. And there the chargers were not that far away and you actually had a place to pee on, and this is not the case on most places actually. Some areas do not have those facilities at all and peeing in a bush that is not existing on a huge paved surface is not... ideal... And in many areas, you might have some food like Max (Swedish equivalent to McDonalds) but their toilet is only for customers. Real world example: Five hour trip without stops. I really had to pee because... you know, sometimes you do. Just on a side pocket, give some fertilized water to a bush besides the road, off again. Under the two minutes it took you from leaving the road until charging. Then add charging. Then add coming back to the road again. 5-10 minutes is what you can add on each stop you do.
I always want to complete long trips as quickly as possible. Don't want to stop for fuel or food or the bathroom if I can avoid it. I would only expect to stop once on a 480 mile trip, and that would be a bathroom break. My goal though, would be not to stop at all on a 480 mile trip.
@@justgetatesla Maybe not in a northern USA winter. One reason I don't stop to buy anything on road trips is that the prices along the highways, for everything, are far higher. Even buying a snack, you get robbed.
I agree with all your thoughts. I have no want to stop as I regularly drive to Wales 225mile trip there and do this in a day quite often. I don’t have to plan my trip and 5 mins to pop 625miles in my tank. I can go there and back plus a week travelling to work on a tank. So so easy.
@@BSJWright Really? The Fully Charged Show crew are the most biased and unbalanced people in the EV community. They give it a bad name and stir up unnecessary hate between fans of electric and fans of internal combustion. Quentin Wilson and Robert Llewellyn are the worst ambassadors anyone could possibly choose. They're awful.
I live near Blairgowrie and there are more charges at the other end of the car park and more in the town centre so there is a fair bit of choice. In the last year I have driven my model Y to Milton Keynes, Durham, Manchester and Cortina in Italy, charging has never been a problem and I have found the whole experience to be easy and stress free. Most people who post negative stuff about using EVs have little or no experience with them.
Wait a few years until Tesla start to raise the cost of charging...once they have a captive market like most businesses do they jack up the price and screw the customer.
I picked up my model 3P a couple of months ago and still remember my first supercharger experience. Was nervous as to how it would work, it was so simple…..pick up the charger, hit the button, flap open…plug it in and away it went. Was there 25 mins and all done. All my petrol head friends rip into me for changing to a Tesla, best decision I made. Just waiting for my wall charger for cheap tariff home charging. Most times I pay 39p per kw/h at superchargers
That is, if i convert to Swedish prices and currency, the same or more expensive than what i go in my Volvo V90 D4 AWD. That is actually pretty interesting today, that a BEV can be more expensive to refuel than a diesel car. And then we do NOT have cheap diesel here.
The Tesla Experience in NI is of a handful of destination chargers and only one supercharger bank in Belfast. Unless you are going through Belfast or travelling into RoI you are dependent on the other networks whose kit isn't anywhere close to the standard of Tesla.
Electrons do not fill the battery. in DC electron move at about 6 inches per hour, if you cable up with AC then they don't drift at all. The Current floods the battery and the ions float across it charging the battery and when the ions flow the other way creating a current that lets you move! It's the current... always.
The simple maths spoil the project. If and when 50% of the vehicles in the UK are EV it is unlikely there will never be enough chargers to accommodate overnight charging. Plus the drain on the grid will at certain times of the day make even the super fast chargers slow to a crawl. Watching this all the 'planning' you have to do to drive an EV a few hundred miles is mind boggling. A nice ICE car...drive, stop, stretch legs, toilet, food, maybe fill up and you can be away in 30 minutes...try that with an EV.
I used to plan fuel stops. As I will not ever pay motorway prices. So which junctions have a supermarket just off them? And how far apart are they? Etc
@@justgetatesla What do supermarkets have to do with it? You can buy hot food and drink at many filling stations now, and certainly snacks like crisp, chocolate, caned drinks, bottled water and so on but the sensible ones amongst us buy them at the local supermarket before we set off, or take flasks and sandwiches with us. Most service stations have toilets (in fact I can't ever remember stopping at one that doesn't), and they're not exactly difficult to find and are included on sat navs. We also have the option of stopping at cafes or pubs to eat if we want to, plenty of those about not far from motorway junctions. We're not in the Australian outback! And of course we don't have to plan much at all as fuel is available everywhere, we have far more range and don't even have to worry about having a full tank, or even much at all, before we set off as we can fill up at the nearest station in 5 minutes. But of course you know all this already because you have owned an ICE car. So why keep talking as though we don't have a clue or the "ICE way" doesn't exist, or it's something new to us? You know as well as we do how easy it is to fill up and go, find fuel within a few miles of anywhere in the vast majority of cases, find food, drink, toilets etc.
A big reason you get low rates at night is low demand. If people start charging all their EV's overnight, that low demand will become high demand. That will eliminate one of the big reasons rates were discounted.
Love this video here, I'm due to get model y standard range in a few weeks. I was a bit nervous of the lower range but doesn't seem to be a concern because of the reliable Tesla network! Thanks for sharing I've subscribed & look forward to seeing more 👍
sir you are what is known as a milk float deliver delivering milk and bread locally, I drove from Sheerness Kent to Elion Aberdeenshire in one day and back two days later the only stop was to fill up Diesel each stop time was 10 minutes total 20 min going up and 20 min on return time. Beat that ?
You are fortunate that you can choose the time you travel. Some people, lets say teachers, can only travel at peak times, so the demand for chargers may be higher.
@djtaylorutube Did you not do that well at school? Let me spell it out for you - teachers can only go on holiday in the school holidays. So if they want to drive anywhere, either go on holiday in this country or to visit relations that involves a long distance journey, they can only do so at certain times of the year. You know those certain times of the year when lots of other people are on the road, hence the higher demand for the limited chargers. Is that differentiated enough for you to understand? And so you don't make 2+2=5; no, I am not a teacher, just a realist who realises that what may work for one person may not work for half a dozen others.
@@chromiumphotography5138 school no, university much better ;) There are 567,309 qualified teachers in the UK, i'm not buying that as a problem given the constantly referenced 37 million or so cars that need charging. Pretty certain they're not all going on holiday on the same day, in the same direction at the same time. This is a transition, not expected to solve it this year or next. Couple of decades...
@@justgetatesla it’s not all free stalls, quite common to be full/queuing there. What are your thoughts on Open to All, that’s a Tesla owner divisive one? Clearly great from Tesla getting people hooked but the issue is the App showing available stalls but you get there and they’re blocked by people with charging ports in different orientations. Happened to me at Newport. Just get the V2/3 replaced by V4? But if older slower charging cars start using Open to All then the time on charge metric Tesla love (and for which pre-conditioning was designed) gets hammered. I’ve been doing EV for 11 nearly 12 years, I won’t go back……but the whole DNO / Grid connection issue needs to be resolved so that the charging infrastructure can be rolled out much faster. 👍 (And as for destination charging……come on hotels and car parks!)
.. yes that can happen even w/ superchargers, key busy sites can get full. Luckily, the GPS satnav shows ON SCREEN how many stalls are free, so you can plan a stop elsewhere, and the routeplanner even *auto-detours* you to a different charge location if it will be busy (recent update now even takes into account, other teslas enroute to the charger at same time!) Now, if it is the only charger location for miles, and is full? That is a hassle. But Tesla seems to get those pretty well planned out, and add more capacity/locations to avoid bottlenecks... busy California freeways between LA & San Francisco, have gotten HUGE 100-stall sites now.
@@cgamiga our grid in the UK is lucky to get a new connection in 6 years…..for 12 stalls. It’s a real struggle getting a DNO connection or upgrade here. The prediction of availability via the new firmware upgrade isn’t yet live in the UK, and has little benefit on Open to All locations……you can’t predict when other makes are on route.
That is almost true. Tesla SuperCHargers are better than MOST but not all, here in Australia. The national State Car Clubs such as the Royal Auto Club of Victoria, have all banded together and bought out Chargefox, which was previously the largest non Tesla charging company. As a member, they Charge 48c/kWh on a 350kW charger, or 32c on a 50kW charger (until recently to 50kW chargers were totally FREE for everyone). I use 'A Better Route Planner' web site (on my Mac) to plan out my trips, avoiding Tesla SC's wherever possible (due to their high prices), but if there is no other choice, I have to use Tesla chargers. ABRP has ALL chargers in it, including Tesla, which makes it easy to pick and choose. It would be nice if Tesla had a web site that could do the same, but alas...
Thanks for the videos. I've been enjoying them. So sad to hear of all the price gouging at non-Tesla chargers. That doesn't help the adoption of EV's at all. I recently found out that my local grocery store has a Charge Point 6kw charger that is free! I don't know how many offer that here in the states, but I sure am glad this one does. I believe it's a good incentive to bring in customers. I don't usually shop for more than 45 minutes, but that's enough to pay for my round trip there and leave me with a couple of percent extra on my battery. Thanks again for the videos. It's interesting watching views of your country that a lot of people may never see.
In the real world, you stop when you want, where you want and for however long you want... I can stop after an hour, I can stop after 3 hours! There! Lovely milk float though.
Three words to consider, cost, depreciation, insurance! Fortunately, we all have choice (depending on individual budget) on which vehicle to drive, well at the moment at least!
G'Day again Ian. I have watched many of Bjorn Nylands videos in Norway, which can sometimes be blurry due to vibrations, but the quality of your vids is nothing like those at all - no shaking, vibrations, and it appears to have auto image stabilisation. Even when you go around a sharp corner, it sort of self centres itself. Amazing. Please tell me how you did it (especially the mounts)... I would like to do the same here in Australia.
Very kind! I use a GoPro Hero 10 mostly, set on Boost mode on image stabilisation. Mount is the suction cup you get with the camera and a few extension pieces I got off Amazon.
killing time more hotels need more chargers ......lol .... electric cars should be choice not FORCED .. they will suit some peoples needs and not suit others ... lets see how u feel after 10 years of driving electric and give us the verdict then
Sadly a lot of the big brand hotels are putting in rapid chargers (e,g premier inn). What we need are lots of slow (hopefully cheaper) chargers, instead of a couple of rapid chargers. But overall I agree, we need a lot more hotels to provide ev chargers.
@@justgetatesla still got the petrol back up car ,that hasnt gone unoticed , my point is that all car choice should be the choice of the driver and not forced .u seem like a nice fellow .. just for me electirc doesnt suit me & i dont want a singapore scenario where only government & multi millionarires can drive .. call me old fashioned if u like ...
re driving in rain @26:57...agreed, too many folks (incl Tesla drivers!) drive too fast on wet roads... and at least on dashcam channels, those same drivers dont' check their tire/tread depth, and then end up hydroplaning into the highway divider, even in AWD traction-control Tesla. Be safe, people! PS at least in California, where it is law to have headlights on in rain... Tesla automatically turns on headlights, in rain when auto-wipers come on. Very nice!!
I used to do a 520km journey three times a month from Exmouth to north-east Wales, this went on for 6 months. I made only one stop for the toilet each journey and that took a maximum of 10 minutes. There are people who want to go long range and don't want to stop. Also, I went there and back on one tank of fuel really easily. It would still have 400km in the tank after finishing.
Hiya! You didn't say where in NE Wales - have input Mold to model this. If I left Exmouth with a full battery I would need a single stop of 13 minutes. So only 3 minutes longer than your example and at a significantly lower cost abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=2e0c982c-efbe-4615-a7e0-f127d395f97a
Re the 250kW chargers that had replaced old 120kW chargers, I wonder where the old ones go to? We could surely use them here in Australia. There are so many medium sized towns that could use a couple of 120kW chargers that's for sure. Yes, 250+kW would be nice, but then we would be beyond the max speed ththat most cars can charge (at present). Maybe we will find the old chargers in thrift stores soon ? ;-)
What you should remember, is that probably 99.9% of EV owners have come from ICE. You can't tell us what we already know about ICE refuelling. However, ICE only drivers have 100% of zero personal experience from which to compare. I'm already way ahead because since August, I haven't had to go anywhere to spend time holding a nozzle to refuel. Actually, small admission there, I did have to get petrol for the lawnmower. You should have seen the look from the guy in front who was refueling when I pulled up behind in a Tesla. It doesn't matter though, they're all just cars and we're all just drivers, it's not a competition so drive what works for you, it doesn't bother me at all.😊
I have a M3 and have never had to queue to charge and drive 25000 miles per annum. Supercharger is so much cheaper than 3rd party chargers and so easy to use. Looking forward to part 2
I wish superchargers were cheaper here in Australia. They used to be, but Tesla keeps increasing the prices which are currently 63 to 75c per kWh or 85c/kWh for non-Tesla's. What really irks me is that Tesla pays LESS THAN 2.5c/kWh from massive solar and wind farms as part of a PPA (Power Purchase Agreement). I prefer to use the Car Club 350kW chargers which are 60c for non members, and 48c for members (I'm a member). Interestingly, Tesla has installed their chargers virtually right next to the Car Club chargers, which is very strange. It would nice if they worked together and spaced them out every 100km, alternating between the two organisations. (IMO)
@@greghudson9717 Here in Sweden, it is cheaper per kilometer in my Volvo D4 AWD than charging on a Tesla Supercharger. Example, using SEK and estimated consumption for the Tesla of at least 2,5 kWh/10 km and my real world consumption of 0,61l/10 km diesel on our latest roadtrip, 470 kilometer in -15 to -23 degree C: Fuel cost for diesel was less than 11 SEK/10 km. Supercharging will be (depending on place) around 15 SEK/10 km. Could be higher if the consumption goes up, and it does go up in the cold and wintery roads. Summer consumption the same road would probably be around even between supercharger and diesel for our Volvo (0,49-0,50 l/10km real world data and Tesla is probably 1,5 kWh/10 km (could be higher of course but most certainly not lower).
Had to rely on Instavolts back in the day when Electric Highway/Gridserve was pants….more pants than before. Always dropped off at Booths either Carnforth or Penrith. Older cars charging speeds aren’t the same as your Tesla……those 50kW chargers took about 50-60min in our Ioniq 38, way too long for my shopping style!
I had a 2014 Leaf, so I am familiar with slower cars with smaller batteries and these old chargers. As you say, they're an odd thing to install at a shop!
I live in Canada, and been waiting endlessly for an ioniq5, lost patience last year and bought a 2023 M3. Tesla has reduced the price of the 2024 MY by a lot since last year and I will go for a MY. Will order it Friday.
I usually really enjoy your videos. This one, not so much. All that’s coming across here is that if you’re able to afford a Tesla you’re better off than some pleb who can only afford a Kia for instance. We can’t all get Tesla’s through our companies (honestly it’s the insurance for me) and talking shit about other EV charging infrastructure doesn’t really help if you’re hoping to grow the EV market as a whole.
We only recently handed back a 38kWh Ioniq at the end of its lease. So crappy charging infrastructure affected us as well. We need two things: 1. More chargers 2. Sane pricing and payment methods. Part 2 shows some new chargers at a hotel. Been there for months but no visible way to see what network they are on. Some digging and I find they want £££ for them. Hotel has them put in, then nobody uses them, then EVs get a bad name. So we need to expose these things - not to attack every other brand, to improve charging
Not really a fair comparison when you’re charging at night and have plenty of time on your hands. There are drivers with severe time constraints who don’t have the luxury of just coasting along. You were also very fortunate to have much better weather than the trip you were comparing it to. No need to be smug about your charging. Different days provide different circumstances. All it shows is if you have the correct weather, road conditions, traffic conditions etc. life can be much easier. But back to the point that some peoples jobs require them to be, as you say ‘going, going, going’. Your ‘horrible conditions’ were mild compared to the trip you frequently compare it to….anyway it’s good to have your road trip as a comparison to the other one you mentioned. I’m not against EV’s. My son has one and loves it…lovely car…very smooth. Regarding your comment ‘ my car can do 700 miles without stopping’ then suggesting it’s unrealistic as they have to stop for a pee, are two separate arguments. The point with the 700 miles analogy is that he didn’t have to worry about refuelling, nothing else….you weren’t stuck in miles of tailbacks due to road works and flooding. Would love to see you do the same route as the MacMaster under similar conditions, with a similar timescale…that would be a much fairer comparison. I’ve got a diesel car. I can do the same long journey to Glasgow, sometimes it’ll be brilliant, clear roads, decent weather etc and get there nice and refreshed. Other times the same journey can be a nightmare and take 2-3 hours longer….so many variables….
I don't need to do JoG - Lands End - others already have ruclips.net/video/bM5hYkEXOVM/видео.html I've driven the Tesla through sleet and side winds on other videos - still doesn't lose masses of range as you seem to be suggesting it would. Anyway, watch part 2 - 500 miles home from Coventry trying to get home as fast as possible...
2023 summer I did 4000 miles roadtrip in europe with non-tesla car, but I used only superchargers with Tesla app, only once I had to wait 10 minutes, because I went to small 4 stall supercharger where 2 stalls were broken, it was my fault, it was stupid idea to choose that location, other 23 supercharger stops I didn't have waiting problem. Example Mantorp, Sweden tesla has 40 supercharger stalls, only 1 was in use when I arrived there, so 39 stalls were still available, after me only 38 of course.
Hi, great video. At about 33:13, asked what use are the slow chargers. Well my Zero DSR does very well on those. Only has a six kw charger on the bike and I need a type 1 socket so I have to use my own cable. So works for me and they are nearly always available.
Er, no, most of us don't do multiple stops on a road trip. The reality is that if we're driving a 200 mile trip it usually means a motorway for most of the route, which means a 3-4 hour trip - easily done without a stop, or no more than a quick stop for the loo. Most of us don't want to pay top dollar for the usual motorway dross, so if anything it's a quick can of drink and a sandwich or pack of crisps, and those of us with more sense than money buy them locally before we set off. You guys talk as though we're going to be on the road non-stop for the entire day. Not everybody has a Tesla and few EVs currently have a range of more than 200 miles, if that, but to keep suggesting that it's no less convenient than filling up with petrol or diesel is laughable. I don't know whether your' trying to justify your purchase or convince yourself or what, but if you - and by you I mean the EV community that keep on touting this - are trying to convince the rest of us that you're no worse off, well it's not working. I, and many others, don't want to hang around waiting for our cars to charge every couple of hundred miles. We just don't. Don't forget we know how it is, we're not just about to buy our first car, most of us have been driving for years. If you're happy with your EV and faffing around charging every couple of hundred miles that's fine, but we're not interested. Just stop it.
@@tim66612343 I'm just expressing an opinion, same as you. Isn't that part of the reason we have a comments section? And the jist of most EV videos IS to try to convince the naysayers that we should at least consider them.
@@justgetatesla The point is we can do a 200 mile trip quite easily without the need to stop at all. With an EV you can't, you have to recharge every 200 miles or whatever your range is, and that's assuming you have a full charge to begin with, which again is something we don't need. OK the range varies but that seems to be typical of all but the most expensive new models, and more than many will do.
Thank you for this interesting video. When charging a Tesla it is just a case of plugging in the charger to the Tesla car and job done. This is not the case for any other electric car manufacture. There is a lot more things to consider. There is an app for every single one of the 14 or so private charging companies and then you must register with each app all your details and method of payment. In lots of cases you must have a card for each charging company. So what you’re showing us in your video is the best scenario meaning using Tesla chargers and a Tesla car.
The Tesla interface is very informative and helpful to making you helping you make an immediate decision on whether or not you want to keep charging or keep going, but Tesla lies about range when they sell the car, so can I trust that interface? BTW - in my metro area you always need to planon being caught in a jam on the freeway and having to idle your car for an hour. I recommend you keep that in mind in your travels depending on where you’re going.
So how much was the cost to charge at a supercharger during the 4-8pm peak? Up to 69p per kwh. The website calculates a 5% saving over an ice car on petrol.
It was fun driving Ev's back in the olden days , Public charging was free ,It's very hard to build out infrastructure for people who never use it , 90% of people charge their cars at home or at work for free ( One of the advantages of driving an EV) so long trips can be potentially difficult ,I'm never in a hurry anyway so It didn't bother me until recently when queues seem to be forming at charging stations . Last Christmas Tesla superchargers had queues at them and this Christmas and new year should be even worse , it will be interesting to see how it all works out . If you have to wait 20 mins to get on a charger and it takes you 30mins to charge if you are in a hurry that can be a game changer , people reported last Christmas waiting for 4 hours to get on a charger . I think question is increasingly becoming "Why don't you just buy a diesel"
@@johhny711The Daily Mail, Sun etc. reported on Tebay Services and there are plenty of dissections which explain the perfect storm there. Christmas when maximum people travelling, combined with a train strike, a services that isn't a proper services, chargers only in one direction and insufficient and slow chargers at that. There are now 12 instead of 8 and the new ones are v3 instead of v2. I was looking today and saw that Dartford (Bluewater shopping centre) was full with wait times around 5 minutes. About 5 minutes away is the Tesla service centre which had 11 of 12 free. Which story there do you think the gutter press would mash up?
@@justgetatesla And still other have gotten stuck in huge queues. This is a real problem that is arising more and more and it will not go away for decades.
I have driven close to 5 years on a Tesla, not ones I had to queue at the supercharger. I see this argument al the time. I don't say it never happens to anybody, but for me it looks an exception. Also the Tesla apps tells how many stalls are available at a site before you arrive, so you can adjust yourself to other Supercharger stalls if needed. Also what is so nice with the Superchargers is, that you are getting a fine, if it stopped charging for more than 5 minutes. One of the biggest issues is that people leave the EV plugged in on some 3d party chargers, without charging.
I really enjoy these videos. All the EV manufacturers go on about are two things: improving charging times and range. I cannot see the rush as EV owners all seem perfectly content as things are.
Speed of charging and range is fine for me. As long as when you get to a charge station you can get straight on it’s fine. So yeah, capacity is the main consideration
In the 30,000km I have driven my Tesla, only ONCE have I arrived at a SC station to find it FULL. I waited 3 minutes before someone left. In the next 10 minutes, 3 others left, and 3 more arrived. Everything seemed to work flawlessly.
Hello Ian, I have found the same experience road tripping my Tesla here in the States. My brother and I took relatively short road trip from Northern New Jersey to Springfield Massachusetts. My brother is an EV skeptic. He was worried about charging and range. It is 157 miles one way to Springfield MA to my house in Wayne NJ. Left my house with 100% charged battery. Made it to Springfield with 30%. Stayed over night in a hotel that didn't have level 2 charing. Tesla supercharger was less than a mile away. Had breakaway out while my Tesla was charing up to 80%. That was it, done. Drove home with 20% left pulling into my driveway. I have the model 3 standard RWD, which has less range than the long range and the performance, but can be charged to 100% regularly. That makes it about the same usable range in all the model 3's. At least for Teslas there is no range or charging anxiety at all. Just Get a Tesla indeed! Love your videos
Even before EVs there was an attitude that some vehicles were better or worse than others based on snobbery. But hey - we now have differences based on smuggery.
I was prompted to claim smuggery because on your trip you had a go at people who want to make the trip in one go - you had all the time in the world for coffee, toilets etc and you decried those who don't as you though stopping wasn't normal. The following day you planned to make the return journey without stopping in your ever so wonderful Tesla which has now had the headlight replaced and a new brain.@@justgetatesla
Ev driving is all about good planning, yes Tesla are the best in every way, but putting rapid in supermarkets are ok but everyone blocks them by shopping over 60 mins and also most have cameras now timing your visit to 90 minutes max ( lidi) Tesco etc but your not allowed to use them outside of store hours otherwise your get a parking fine of £100.
If I was such a business owner, with Luton airport in my backyard, I’d be doubling the price of parking knowing that airport users still need a place to park and now one option is no longer available. That’s monopolistic opportunity for you. But I’m guessing that’s not what you’re alluding to. There’s plenty of petrol and diesel car fires in the world and normally the world barely notices each time one happens, and then Luton Aorport and Fremantle Highway come along and everyone says “it’s those electric cars you know! It says so in the Daily Mirror!”. It turns out they weren’t the cause in either situation.
Amazingly us poor mortals who have a suburban flat and can't charge at home or afford a tesla have a busy lifestyle. Recommendations for a stress free EV experience please.
My recommendation is to remain EV free right now. You've just mentioned key points that need addressing so right now, there's no need to change, why would you? People can continue using whatever car they've got, there's no reason to change unless you want to.
This driving none stop versus frequent stops debate. One can buy a diver's watch that can go to a depth of 2000 feet or something. I would never take it anywhere near as deep under water, but it's nice to know it'd be alright if I dropped it in the sink.
A great analogy! People have different uses. For *the majority* of people a break every 2-3 hours is the norm. Which is perfectly within the capabilities of most EVs at UK motorway speeds. Then again for most people their average daily mileage can be done without any public charging at all
Just wanted to thank you for your content, especially videos like this. We're picking up our Model Y LR in 4 weeks and as our first EV, coming from a Rav4 hybrid, 'range anxiety' has been a real concern. Albeit a concern that I'm realising is picked up from the general media opinions of EVs. Watching your real world experience, realising the shift in thinking from the old style stopping for fuel over to just charging when stopping anyway makes a real difference. My personal bladder, hunger and fatigue range is far lower than the cars after all and if I'm stopping anyway, I'll do it somewhere I can grab a bit of charge - efficient! The only downside for us is our home charger install is delayed until the new year, so we'll be relying on public charging infrastructure in the meantime. There's a couple of 150KW chargers near us so it shouldn't be too stressful and my normal longer range journeys are well covered by superchargers - including Hilton Park and Tebay (possibly the best service station I've ever used). Really looking forward to making the switch to EV.
Whilst you wait for a wall box to be installed, keep topping the charge off with the granny charger. Its slow, but it does add range! Watch this ruclips.net/video/w5JmTwGk4Yk/видео.html
Cars were all about getting from A to B as simple as possible , so doing the journey on one tank was fantastic as who wants to be sitting in a car longer than necessary, However with the enforced advent of EV's now mean the whole drive is planned around recharging which can take hours . In essence EV's can double the length of the journey ; so if you like longer journeys hanging around af overpriced service stations , then good for you
You've never actually looked at the reality, have you? Most normal people take a break on a long trip - which is why we have so many full service areas at weekends and in the holidays. I don't plan my trip around recharging - the car tells me where to charge. For minutes, not hours
Evs are old hat as I remember the milk floats and they were a compromise but running silent was necessary on a early milk round. Out of interest why do we actually need EV's what is their purpose@@justgetatesla
I started EVing with a 22 Kw Renault Zoe in 2016.The charging network then was virtually non existent.Now its has improved unbelievably to the point it's a non issue.Also 50 kWh chargers are useful to us non Tesla people as we can get a much more linear charge rate out of them.If I have to wait for a car to charge at all,I will go for a short walk.Its like rediscovering all the small towns between Aberdeen and Stirling instead of just bypassing them at high speed.
Nice to see a Tesla being represented as opposed to the Porsche potato network 🤣 I have the same experience every time I travel in my Tesla it’s always easy.
Great video, exactly what was needed after the constant rubbish that is pushed out by others who shall remain nameless, roadtripping in EV’s (non Teslas) 👍🏼
At some time in the future when more people have transitioned to EV’s, the government will need to shift the road taxes to catch all the income they will be losing. I think it will be in the form of an annual levy with an annual mileage component. Or maybe the government will just decide they don’t need the money, yeah right!
Here's an alternative. Eliminate ALL road user fees for EV's, and ADD taxes to petrol and diesel to subsidise the EV's. This will put a fire under the bums of those dolts still driving ICE age motors.
I did London and back over a weekend in my Model 3 end of September. (Also North Aberdeenshire) Quickest is Edinburgh then Tebay (now) then Rugby. Stopped at Tottenham on the way down to get a charge for the drive back. £106 in supercharging for the trip. Used to be 20p a kWh and £50. Haven't got time to eat at Tebay now. 😢
@@justgetatesla saw the second video. I don't use either of the back roads to/from Edinburgh/Tebay. M74 - M8. Newbridge is not really Edinburgh, it's M8 East. Not necessarily a good plan at rush hours because it can get gridlocked getting out. Then I'd choose Perth. (They need to improve the footpath to McDonalds at Perth)
@@justgetatesla plus my next door neighbour as got one and he valued it after owning it 9 months bearing in mind he brought it second hand, he’s lost £12,000 in 9 months
@@justgetatesla It was in the one I test drove a couple of years ago for a car costing that much. Suppose it depends what you're used to, that's all I can think of.
Sounds like my Volvo S90 diesel. But if he hasn’t sold it then he hasn’t lost any value. I see plenty of used Tesla’s with similar mileage to mine selling for £40k. That’s a paper loss of £17k. So what - I’m not selling it, and I could have bought *any* £50k+ car and lose a similar amount of cash. Most depreciation is in the minutes after you drive it away from the showroom
Have you bought your Tesla through your business? 2, What is your insurance cost and is that put through the business as well? 3, What is the warranty period and would you sell it before the warranty ran out? 4. What was the cost to your business (if you wish to divulge?) for the down time when your Tesla grounded you? 5. Since you bought the car what is the total costs of repairs if they weren't under warranty 6. What is the total time down time in the number of days of your Tesla has grounded you? 7. Is there any large part of the U.K. that does not have 'Tesla' charging points?
1. Yes 2. Watch this insurance video. Yes. 3. 4 years / 50,000 miles for the car, 8 years / 120,000 miles for the battery. No. 4. £0 5. Watch the repair video 6. 2 days. The rest of the time was Storm Babet. And I could have used my wife’s car anyway 7. No
No pressure should be put on anyone about their choice of car. If you do long journeys an ice car makes so much more sense, if you pop to the shops or work in a city an EV makes more sense....it really is that simple. The choice is there for either, we shouldn't be penalised either way.
I recently did a 7500km trip in my Model Y, and only had to plan stops at 60 chargers. But I didn't have to stop at all of them, they were in the planner just in case I needed them. I did the same thing in my wife's ICE car when we had it.
Nice network , great software....shame about the car , looks like a Mondeo , I don't like the look of them plus I need and estate for Labradors , I also don't like the dash , I don't want to be looking and using an ipad in the middle , also the build quality on the ones I've been in leaves a lot to be desired at that price...I'll be sticking to my E class estate for 5 years at least...until there's a decent choice of alternatives.....and no I am not angry , I am not averse to the EV concept but it's not there yet for me
No you’re not - perfectly sensible considerations! I would rather have a full sized SUV than the crossover body style. But nobody sensible makes an EV one. Quite like the VW idBuzz- but VAG drivetrain is woefully inefficient
For what it’s worth I’ve replaced a BMW F31 330d Estate with a Model Y - no problem with two labradors in the back, just get the little infill boxes left and right for the boot so they don’t break their legs. Having the front boot and underfloor storage means no more roof box needed for family trips. The Tesla is more annoying in some respects, the parcel shelf is stupid, doesn’t retract and can’t be stored under the floor like the BMW can, and I would prefer a normal instrument cluster too. Build quality on my Shanghai built U.K. 2023 Y has been fine so far, panel gaps normal, no rattles, no interior issues (and I’m very picky!), way better than the US built model 3 and Y I’ve rented. The only drawback, and this affects maybe 5 trips over the past 10 years, is it can’t do the long range, short stop trips, and I’m talking 500 miles Southern England - Scotland with one 15 minute toilet stop - the BMW was great at this, and in bad weather the BMW X-Drive system still feels better connected to the road, but as Ian points out these non-stop runs are not a common use pattern, and probably not a safe idea either! Beyond that, it’s been a fine replacement for the estate so far. It is a bit on the ugly side though, especially from the front. Saves me about £12 per day on my 80 mile commute too. I was sceptical, but I’m glad I swapped, family love the extra space. And just to be clear, I’m not trying to persuade anybody to buy a Tesla, I can’t stand the zealotry and tribalism that EVs Vs IC discussions seem to invoke, just sharing my experience as an ageing petrolhead.
Thanks for the comments! I've done northern Aberdeenshire to Dartford a few times - a pair of 20-30 minute stops which we would be doing for food / fuel / toilet anyway
Thx for the handy info , the two Teslas I've been in ( as a passenger only ) were not good build quality, I don't know where they were built though, and it's that impression I've been left with, flimsy interior. I remember thinking if I was paying that much money for a car I'd want something better than this, that was my first impression .
Interesting perception, depends how much you like sitting in a car, or waiting. Personally I wouldn't like sitting around waiting for the car to charge, I just want to get to my destination. I appreciate that here he is not in a rush etc. etc. I would have an EV for local driving but it would drive me up the wall (to coin a phrase) to do a long journey in on having to stop and charge all the time. All the best, choose what suits you , your situation, your pocket, and you temperament. I would still have a diesel 4 wheel drive SUV because it ticks all the boxes of where I live.
@@justgetatesla I agree, everyone is different. I regularly do 300+ mile journeys I rarely stop, other than in the copious roadworks and traffic jams, from point to point. Also all of my destinations do not have charging available at them. But that is my preferred way of travelling. Others enjoy stopping and relaxing every so often, I know several who do. That's why I added the temperament bit in to when you choose a vehicle, what ever it may be.
I understand your amusement with people bashing EV"s just because they read something... Truth to the matter is people do that with ICE cars as soon as you have something more specific for e.g (large car, expensive car, sports car etc), but you have to admit the way Musk is advertising them since day one is indeed forcing a lot more people to do so while the fact early adopters were paying over 100k does not help. What I can say about EV's is that they are great, yet for a rather specific user (having home charging, living in a country with fast chargers, doing lots of trips ideally of up to 150-200 miles, country offering incentives for EV's, having a rather high budget for a car buying new....) And even when having most of these a HEV would do a very similar job as far as budget is concerned and often even cheaper.
There are plenty of things to attack Tesla for. The lies about Full Self Driving (in the UK specifically) as an example. But instead they go on and on about whatever guff they’ve read in the Daily Mail
@@justgetatesla Yes, the sun seems focused on spreading false data on EV's as well, but they are doing so about way more serious matters and the issue is people are buying it.
It's not for me. When planning a trip, the first thought shouldn't be will I have enough charge to get there, will I be able to charge there, should I go when there are less people charging, should I go at night and drive really slow and so on. Electric vehicles have been a significant step backwards in the overall experience compared to petrol cars. If petrol cars were introduced today everybody would jump ship, going Wow, 1000 km range and full charge in 2 minutes or less. Amazing!
My problem is that it charges so damn fast, I don't have time to buy and eat my sarnie... Also, I don't work - fortunate enough to be retired - and I still don't have any issues waiting for a charge. Because I like to eat my food before I drive off, invariably I have to move off the supercharger so I don't get charged idle time 😁 [Edited according to more correct information]
@@justgetatesla Yup, googled it and you are right. Will amend my comment accordingly. But the fact remains that it is easier to charge your car while doing other stuff, like eating, or taking a comfort break, than standing around filling it with fuel. Don't think I'm an evangelist, am buying a classic car for fun, but on a long journey, the Tesla takes it.
The funniest comments are from people who claim to do an 8 hour trip with only a 5 minute fuel stop. We know they don’t, they know they don’t. So why say it?
Yep, that's why we need more v2 slower superchargers! ;) I can't go to the loo and eat burger and fries before the car is ready. I can get mostly through the fries but that's it.
@@justgetatesla What we don't understand is that EV fanatics are always suggesting that the rest of us are doing 8 hour journeys while you guys are only travelling 200 miles or so, or probably less. Do we drive for 8 hours without stopping? Not usually (though I've done 8 hours with no more than half an hour stop many times back in the day, and in vehicles that are far less comfortable than what we have now), but we do drive for 3 hours or so to cover 200 miles without needing to stop for anything more than fuel at the 200 mile mark. It's not difficult in a comfortable car.
The reality is that an EV produces 3 times less CO2 in the EU today. That Co2 number decrease will decrease with another 62% !!! in 2030 when EV cars on the road increases. This data CO2 data includes: Production of the car, battery production and fuel consumption also the fuel used to produce electricity to drive and produce cars and batteries.
Another great video Ian 👍 We recently did a 700+ miles road trip to, around, and back from, North Wales and no issues with charging at all. Charged at Rugby on the way up and Newport Pagnell on the way back, and granny charged at the accommodation we stayed at. Cost in total, about £70 for 700+ miles. Having a Tesla with their charging infrastructure is a no-brainier when buying an EV. Almost bought a Jaguar I-Pace, but so glad I opted for the Tesla MYLR. Hope you're well (Keith).
Hi Ian. What do you think of Tesla making your new in car fridge redundant with the latest software update killing the 12v outlets even when Sentry mode is left on?
It isn't all about saving the planet. Once you have had an electric motor instead of a gearbox, you never want to go back. All the power, available at any speed, available instantly.
@@justgetatesla In a country where you struggle to get above 20 in town (regardless of the local limit) and much of the time, above 50 on a motorway. Yeah, sounds like a great idea. And I do understand, I drive a powerful car, but that sort of torque around town available to people who could previously never afford the sort of car that would give them anything close to that sort of power doesn't sound like a step in the right direction to me given the overall standard of driving, especially in a near silent car.
Oh I agree - I have argued for a “family edition” of the car with less powerful motors. All the EV manufacturers seem to be on a dick waving contest to add more and more power. But even if the power isn’t crazy, the linear delivery of a motor is better than any gearbox. And there’s no real moving parts to break
@@-A-lm5xb My Tesla has 220kW of power and you are correct, it is really too much for most times. BUT... Tesla has this thing called CHILL MODE that cuts about 30 or 40% off. It's great for saving tyres.
I subscribed because i would like to hear the argument from the side of an EV driver. Clearly Tesla is far superior to everything else i have seen so far.
No car is perfect. No mode of transport is perfect. I believe a Tesla is the best option you want an EV, and I’m hoping that my lived experience is helpful to people
Good looking MY, you made the journey look easy. I strongly believe EVs are not for many people, especially if you want to save on cost. EVs are the preferred option for journeys less than 150miles and you can charge conveniently at home. I drove my Toyota prius excel phev 2020 from Telford to Whitburn (Scotland) 1 week ago. A return trip of abt 623miles. Drove with an aggressive, heavy foot on the A74 and M6 roads and blasting the heater. 😂. Spent only £55 on petrol. I have a £7/month bp pulse subscription as well.
I did once look at a PHEV Prius. How many miles does it do on battery? That HSD platform has been a winner for Toyota - clever but simple if you know what I mean
I'm not sure a EV will save you money in the long term doing short distances when if you factor in the extra cost for buying the EV in the beginning for example pretty much every EV is about £10k more than the none electric version of the same car if you take that £10k and divide it up over 10 years it costs you a extra £83 extra per month or about £20 per week a diesel will easily do about 200 miles on that £20 and a petrol will probably get 80-100 miles on it you have to be doing more than this , just to start clawing back the extra cost for the EV and that's not even counting the cost for the electric to do that 200 miles now if your given a choice of a free car then the EV is a win any day but once you factor in the extra it cost to buy the car its simply not good if all your going to use it for is short distances the only way it can win is by doing 300 + miles per week
@@dayoadeosun1520 I did presume that while they cost a lot more to buy over time they where cheap to run so if you did more miles they ended up cheaper per mile over its life time then I started seeing people saying they are perfect for short trips I cannot find a straight answer but if you charged at home how much per mile is it costing a EV because I run a old diesel car, I'm thinking of getting a EV but what's worrying me is am I going to get stung on price per mile roughly my car will about £1 per 10 miles on the motor way (its only roughly because fuel priced change for example a full tank can cost me between £50 and £70 and I can get 550 miles out of it ) what's the best I could get out of a EV as a ball park figure
"but, I can drive 700miles on tank of gas nonstop!" as you say- who REALLY does such a thing, w/o bathroom stops? Exactly! Painful! People don't have empty tummies and full bladders?! @6:52 supercharging on arrival at hotel night, or the next morning? It is almost *always* better to do the night before on arrival, while the battery is still warm from driving... faster & safer charging. Overnight the battery will cool down sitting, and next morning charge will be a lot slower (in winter w/ freezing temps, some folks reported up to 30min wait just to *warm* the batt , before it actually starts adding range!)
But you miss the point, which is that although we might not drive no-stop for 700 miles, we don't HAVE to. If we're pushed for time, or getting low on fuel and need to make an appointment or just miss the rush hour, all we need is a 5 minute stop. You don't have that with an EV. What is annoying is that the EV community seem to keep trying to justify the need to stop and charge every couple of hundred miles or so and won't accept that it's a disadvantage by it's very nature.
For me it’s all about normal use. Most people stop more than just for fuel if the trip is really long. The authorities implore you to stop, to have a break. Because they’re sick of dealing with the accidents that result when people don’t. So many of the stops I do are 15 minutes. No more is needed. By the time you park up, go find the loo, grab a snack etc that’s 15 minutes done. In the real world I’m not spending much more time stopped and charging than I was just stopped. I’ve done trips like Aberdeenshire to Kent so many times in various cars. The Tesla isn’t slower over 500 miles in my real world use
@@-A-lm5xb That is true, if you really DO have to drive 700miles non-stop, you can with only 5min break in gas car but not in EV.. but that is TEN HOURS STRAIGHT driving. That is NOT healthy/safe/enjoyable. And... how many drivers need to do that, how often? A TINY percentage. For those who need to,... keep your gas car! or if you need to tow big trailers or heavy loads, in remote county... keep your gas/diesel truck! That's fine! Best tool for the job. We're just trying to point out , eg the ENTIRE point of this video! and other comments, is that the VAST majority of drivers and usecases, do NOT have to worry about this. It is an overblown/overstated concern. It is a valid one, but VERY rare. We keep stating / justifying this because the overblown concern/impractical usecase of "drive all day with NO stops" keeps getting raised as an objection/blocker that EVs are "not usable" for long trips, but it isn't very realistic.. and folks really underestimate how long they actually stop, and how short most charges really need to be. eg for long CANNONBALL (non-stop) trips, maybe is valid... for regular vacation roadtrips, it is no problem at all (at least for Tesla)
@@cgamiga Yes, absolutely, but the EV driver can only go 200 miles (if he's lucky). The rest of us can drive up to 700 miles (around 450 in my car), but the point is not that we can drive that far, but that we don't have to stop every 200 miles or so. No, I don't drive 200 miles a day. Most people don't. But it's not a great distance and having to recharge every few days even, against having to refuel for 5 minutes twice a month or so is a huge inconvenience for many people. The usual response is that in the future we will be able to drive a zillion miles or whatever and recharge in 5 minutes. Great! Come back and sell us an EV then! But right now, with the current range and the need to stop and recharge when that range has expired - and all assuming you had a full charge to begin with remember, which millions of people who can't charge at home won't have, unless they recharged somewhere at the end of their last journey - they're simply not feasible for most people, which is why they're not selling.
Yeah😂😂 Planned trip to allow for weakness in battery mileage, taking longer than a person would normally wish to, otherwise known as manufacturing the “desired” truth😢
@@justgetateslaAh, of course! My M3 is very nearly a year old and I've still got mine, but I think it's only a matter of time before I accidentally Reset Trip B. Come close many times!
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Good presentation of what looks like a very normal life. I mean that as a compliment. Your moving about didn’t feature electricity very much. If you weren’t filming this, I imagine you hardly notice.
Personally I don’t like Tesla cars as such, but I admire the company and it’s strategy.
Finally, and I’m not planning to start an argument, but I’m a very highly qualified commercial scientist who’s operated at C-suite level. The entire human release of carbon dioxide is causing a climate crisis narrative is total lies. CO2 is a greenhouse gas but it’s weak and already saturated. It’s not a driver of epochal changes in global temperature. That’s definitely due to orbital variations and precession of polar axis, amplified by solar output variations.
Bad people have used money over decades to fund a lie. The intentionally incorrect narrative is so well ingrained in every component of life, from actual science to university funding, to ownership of scientific journals, to politics, media etc, that it’s impossible to argue without losing your tenured position. I don’t think that many involved even know it’s a total fraud. But it is.
Ok. So take an EV as a different kind of powertrain. Once you’ve had an electric motor, you never want to go back to a gearbox. Mechanical cars are out of the ark.
@@justgetatesla There's little doubting that the power train is superior in so many ways, I might even go so far as to say in every way but you're conveniently missing the elephant in the room. Also, the ark got to it's destination on a single charge.
@GT380man Thank you for your valuable comment.
The elephant in the room? That you claim there is no climate change? No don;t worry, I saw the elephant, you typing that...
@@justgetatesla having a laugh 😂😂😂 I know two that miss driving a real car.
Why should hotels make the massive investments in charging with minimal return? Hotels are not filling stations!!
That’s like saying why should they invest in car parks or a gym or a bar. They are competing for business!
@@justgetateslaThats not the same at all. Infrastructure costs will be restrictive
What massive investments?! Fast chargers are hugely expensive infrastructure, yes... but, destination chargers (appropriate for hotel overnight stays)- those can cost less than $1000 each? Tesla earlier did them FOR FREE for business partners. and electricity is often cheaper at commercial rates... if it attracts business, as a perk, then.. pays off? just like installing a gym, pool, fancy coffee machines in every room, etc? It's an investment.
When I look for a hotel, or Airbnb, I check the box "with EV charging" so as an owner offering accommodation, do you want the business from me or not? Either answer is ok, it's hypothetical. We had an Airbnb in Cornwall with EV charging. The owner didn't even have an EV, just put it in for the barn accommodation because he thought it would attract business. They can still charge for the power, it's the convenience which is the attractive part.
Do you know how much electricity a big hotel like the one I stayed in uses?
People buried in a field in Aberdeenshire.That is a well known phenomenon in winter,mainly because people don't realise that worn summer tyres in snow/ice/slippery conditions is very dangerous.In my part of Aberdeenshire we get drifting snow off the fields,and snow clearing is a shovel.Every car I have gets treated to Nokian(other brands are available) winter tyres and I have never had any issues at all.A normal car with winter boots is much better than a 4x4 on summer tyres.Also fit them on all corners otherwise you end up doing a triple toe loop in front of an artic lorry.
My part isn’t remotely as bad as that, but I am looking at tyres. BTW all the cars I see binned off into fields are the local neds driving at stupid speed. Nothing to do with snow - they do it spring and summer too
@@justgetatesla Yes you are right.We have had numerous cars off the road in the field at the end of our track.One had 4 teenagers in it and it was on it's roof.Seems to be a local thing here.Just insane the idiots and their speed.
This doesn't explain the queue of Tesla EVs in a Romford Car Park last Sunday blocking access to a number of Disabled parking bays whilst they were waiting to charge up. Nor their disgruntled drivers. Given the environmental impact of EVs over their full life (and death) span and the limits of electricity production, especially truly green energy, (if there is such a thing), perhaps we would be better to start breeding horses. (Then we can have a channel called Geoff buys horses!) I also noted the free chargers you used as an example was at the dead of night, just maybe that was why they weren't being used. Perhaps EVs are a good idea for some, but not everyone.
Erm, you see that thumbnail? Showing free chargers? You see the sky? That’s not the middle of the night. Nor was Hilton Park. Nor was Eurocentral - 6pm is not the middle of the night. Try harder love
@justgetatesla But what about the Tesla chargers in a Romford (in east London) car park on a Sunday afternoon? Too many cars chasing too few chargers and their drivers' blood pressures were definitely high (judging by the language). And yes, they were all Tesla vehicles. X, good at rockets but EVs need much more work.
@@raymondwoods2304 Now now, don't tell fibs, you'll upset the EV community and they'll be after you. You know very well that there are never any queues for EV chargers anywhere, not even Teslas. I didn't see any at Tebay and you didn't see any at Romford. You know we're just making it up for fun.
@@-A-lm5xb I really wish I was. Al Gore has a lot to answer for!
lol now we’re saying climate change isn’t real. Oh dear…
i notice u always have loads of other things to do whilst making journeys ... most of us dont we need to get where we are going under certain time constraints ... wish i was in your position with all this extra time u have to do all these other things :)
I do loads of journeys where time is tight. Like part 2 of this trip (next week's video). But I don't have the ability to simply drive all day and ignore work. So I need to stop and do some of it.
Exactly 👍
Yes, always the same with the vloggers. In 45 years of driving I've NEVER had to wait around at a service station and never wanted to, especially given the prices and the quality of the food in many cases. For the life of me I can't think of too many people who have any work to do when they stop to fill up. Most of us just want to get where we are going, especially if it means we're likely to hit rush hour traffic later on. What I don't understand is why they keep trying to tout all this stopping and waiting around as some sort of advantage over ICE cars (I've actually seen at least one EV fan post that), or at least not concede that it's a disadvantage. And all the food and coffee they buy at motorway service stations must cost more than they're saving on fuel! If they're saving anything at all, all things considered.
sounds like you'll want to watch the video next week when he says he's coming straight home without all the stops.
Charging stops yes. Work stops no
I swapped from a Model 3 SR+ (driven for ~ 3years,50k miles) to a Polestar 2 DM (as one was available in the fleet). Tesla experience was seamless. Never had to wait for a charger, never had a failed charge. While I love the car itself, the charging has been a nightmare on any long journey. Example, I had to drive Coast of Essex - Wolverhampton and back yesterday. Stooped at Rugby services, all chargers full and 3 people waiting. Had a bit of leeway so went up the road to Corley. All Instavolt and Gridserve chargers running at max 30kW. Selection of cars trying to charge including Audi Q4, etron, Merc EQS, MG4 and my Polestar.Phoned support, nothing they could do. Turned what should have been a 6 hour round trip with charging into nearly 8 hours (partially due to traffic). Rugby redeemed itself on the way home, but I took the only available charger and managed to get to 80% in 40 mins. The infrastructure just isn't there, and it get's worse with every new Electric car (non-Tesla) on the road.
I sympathise. Mate of mine got a Polestar instead of a Tesla and lo longer even attempts long trips in it
witchcraft I tell you!😁 Sometimes have to choose a v2 Supercharger to tactically get a slower charge to give more time for a longer food stop. Nobody talks about *that* problem.
I’ve had that problem! Had to go to the car and move it off the charger to avoid waiting fees. Then I went back and finished my main meal.
@@egg399. Bummer. When I fill up with diesel I have to wait until I've finished filling before I move it off the pump.
@@-A-lm5xbI can charge up for free at home and supermarket = 0p/mile Off peak tariff 9p/kwh = 3p/mile when supercharging the max price I have seen is 50p/kwh = 16p/mile but I have charged at 25p/kwh and 35p/kwh.
The non/tesla charging had horrendous cost so won’t use it.
I also have a diesel atmm so, i’m not an evangelist but the ev has no/low maintenance costs. Diesel is great and you can go a long way but for most journeys electric is great. Superb acceleration and the car does most of the driving.
totally agree with this. I often find that its charging TOO QUICK! I only need 15 mins or so and by the time I've used the toilet, grabbed a coffee and walked back, the car is shouting at me to disconnect and get a move on :)
@@smithleon Yep on my first "long trip" which wasn't that long but nonetheless the first one involving winter and needing to charge away from home and I wasn't sure what to expect. It was East Midlands, down to Reading and back and the plan was to charge at Warwick Northbound. Car suggested Banbury though which I did. Prices were higher then so didn't want anything more than I needed and it was 6 minutes FFS. I *wanted* longer because I wanted to combine with that a pee stop and get a coffee as I would do in my diesel.
Stupid car.
worth mentioning with a video like this with a lot of actual driving in it, that the free included autopilot in a Tesla is excellent. Get into Lane 1, turn it on and it'll auto cruise and auto-steer for miles and miles without any issues incredibly well. In slow moving traffic it'll just move along with traffic completely on its own. It's been a game-changer for me on long trips.
I deliberately left out much of the tech in this video. But do talk about autopilot on next weeks video where traffic and the weather add hours of delays…
Unless driving South in winter..."Multiple cameras blocked or blinded" human you drive!
This isn't actually a problem though as Californian's don't have winter so no enhancement required.
@@djtaylorutube Yea, plus it drives far too close and too fast for my taste in bad conditions. Bizarrely it does not seem able to take account of mapping information, for example to see there are sharp bends or an intersection or roundabout ahead so it should reduce speed in anticipation.
@@john_hind I think it's starting to now? Certainly some roundabouts appear to be treated as junctions and it slows down but it's not consistent so you never know.
I agree about the mapping, in the early days when I was experimenting with AP, I found it taking some country roads with far more enthusiasm than I would have done. I know that's not the target road but a little more inspiration of the data could make it so.
Who knows, if the AI model ever happens, it could be different.
I've bought into the dream so to speak, I consider it a journey of discovery as someone interested in tech stuff. I didn't buy in with the expectation that anything is guaranteed.
Rightly it wrongly, it's just a ride...
I do wish we'd see more useful features adding though, just porting over another random 8 bit console game isn't one of them.
I was at the Tesla Owners Club meet in Wolverhampton recently and asked for a couple of really low hanging fruits:-
Set a desired SoC upon arrival in the planner.
Speed limiter as opposed to cruise.
Those aren't exactly challenging but far more day to day use than Vampire whatever!
The tech is great , but the way Tesla sell cars is destroying the industry , no trade in's or stupidly low valuations ( they just send the car out to the trade, to the second hand car dealers and take the best quote) it's why Tesla owners sell their own cars ( huge disadvantage) , you have no local dealerships , no local service centers , you are dealing directly with a multinational which is incredibly bad for customers in the long run.
Teslas marketing machine is the best in the world it has a Guru at it's CEO( He happens to be a right wing anti democratic nutjob, but Tesla owners love him ) They have convinced people less is more and they are winning , it's the future , until that is we are unable to get car insurance because of dodgy batteries , and car ferry companies refuse to carry them because of the potential for a disaster if one gets caught up in a fire >
Stopping on road trips:
Well, done several five hours trips without stop or with just a quick pee somewhere on a rest are (no charging available) or in a little side pocket on the road. On longer trips i can go 1200 km on 60 liter of diesel.
And when doing family trips, almost 500 km, we do one long stop on a lovely rest area just besides the road with toilets, tables, nice view, playgrounds, grass, trees. You can not even charge your phone there...
Then we do one quick for toilet, lovely toilet, playground, just besides the road. No charging available either.
So if we should do this with a BEV, first of all, those are not a spacious as our wagon, and second of all, we would need another stop just for charging, and seven to eight hour is enough already. Or we would have to take a rest on a boring parking lot, often a bit away from the road, cars, noises and... well, how fun, for the kid, and us.
This is really a big deal. And then factor in that we, as around 2.000.000 households in Sweden, can not charge at home. Nor can i charge at work. And then winter will take the range down to up to half of what is available during summer.
Also remember that if you charge for 20 minutes, then you add almost 30 minutes to the trip. This will add up on longer trips, way more than a quick stop to relieve yourself. I would stop, get our, pee, get in, go almost before the charging would have begun. And no, i am not in a hurry, but i do want to arrive and not spend the time just waiting.
They aren’t for everyone! But with regards to getting charging started, I’ve timed it at 15 seconds from connecting the cable to charging starting
@@justgetateslaThat is not true in reality though. As one example in your video:
From that you leave the road you are travelling on until you have reached and parked and started charging, it was two minutes. And there the chargers were not that far away and you actually had a place to pee on, and this is not the case on most places actually.
Some areas do not have those facilities at all and peeing in a bush that is not existing on a huge paved surface is not... ideal... And in many areas, you might have some food like Max (Swedish equivalent to McDonalds) but their toilet is only for customers.
Real world example:
Five hour trip without stops. I really had to pee because... you know, sometimes you do. Just on a side pocket, give some fertilized water to a bush besides the road, off again. Under the two minutes it took you from leaving the road until charging. Then add charging. Then add coming back to the road again. 5-10 minutes is what you can add on each stop you do.
I think your examples in Sweden highlight that different countries have different facilities!
I always want to complete long trips as quickly as possible. Don't want to stop for fuel or food or the bathroom if I can avoid it. I would only expect to stop once on a 480 mile trip, and that would be a bathroom break. My goal though, would be not to stop at all on a 480 mile trip.
I can do a one stop on a 480 mile trip
@@justgetatesla Maybe not in a northern USA winter. One reason I don't stop to buy anything on road trips is that the prices along the highways, for everything, are far higher. Even buying a snack, you get robbed.
Amen - I hear that!!!!
I agree with all your thoughts. I have no want to stop as I regularly drive to Wales 225mile trip there and do this in a day quite often. I don’t have to plan my trip and 5 mins to pop 625miles in my tank. I can go there and back plus a week travelling to work on a tank. So so easy.
@@justgetatesla 3 hours extra?
It’s all so good now but when all cars are EV there will be huge queues at the chargers, because there won’t be enough electricity to go round.
😂😂😂 get some education - I recommend the Fully Charged Show...
@@BSJWright You've got to be joking. There's more crap about EVs on there than from most people who know nothing about them! 🤣🤣🤣
@@-A-lm5xb and yet these guys do…
@@BSJWright Really? The Fully Charged Show crew are the most biased and unbalanced people in the EV community. They give it a bad name and stir up unnecessary hate between fans of electric and fans of internal combustion. Quentin Wilson and Robert Llewellyn are the worst ambassadors anyone could possibly choose. They're awful.
@@matthewgodwin3050 if you say so
I live near Blairgowrie and there are more charges at the other end of the car park and more in the town centre so there is a fair bit of choice.
In the last year I have driven my model Y to Milton Keynes, Durham, Manchester and Cortina in Italy, charging has never been a problem and I have found the whole experience to be easy and stress free. Most people who post negative stuff about using EVs have little or no experience with them.
Over 200 !! To charge battery, is insane ! That is very fast .. no matter what i think of e v’s. That’s impressive. Great vid dude xx
Fastest speed I have seen is 247kW
Wait a few years until Tesla start to raise the cost of charging...once they have a captive market like most businesses do they jack up the price and screw the customer.
They can increase it by a chunk and still be a lot cheaper than everyone else
You don't have to wait in Australia, T has already jacked up the prices, and is screwing at lightning speed... up to 85c/kWh
What did you say about McLaren performance? 0 to 60 in 2 .5 seconds then two hours waiting to charge up... Doh...
I picked up my model 3P a couple of months ago and still remember my first supercharger experience. Was nervous as to how it would work, it was so simple…..pick up the charger, hit the button, flap open…plug it in and away it went. Was there 25 mins and all done. All my petrol head friends rip into me for changing to a Tesla, best decision I made. Just waiting for my wall charger for cheap tariff home charging. Most times I pay 39p per kw/h at superchargers
That is, if i convert to Swedish prices and currency, the same or more expensive than what i go in my Volvo V90 D4 AWD.
That is actually pretty interesting today, that a BEV can be more expensive to refuel than a diesel car.
And then we do NOT have cheap diesel here.
I reckoned on about 3 hours before the Daily Mail arrived, I wasn't far off.
The Tesla Experience in NI is of a handful of destination chargers and only one supercharger bank in Belfast.
Unless you are going through Belfast or travelling into RoI you are dependent on the other networks whose kit isn't anywhere close to the standard of Tesla.
It’s a problem
Electrons do not fill the battery. in DC electron move at about 6 inches per hour, if you cable up with AC then they don't drift at all. The Current floods the battery and the ions float across it charging the battery and when the ions flow the other way creating a current that lets you move!
It's the current... always.
The simple maths spoil the project. If and when 50% of the vehicles in the UK are EV it is unlikely there will never be enough chargers to accommodate overnight charging. Plus the drain on the grid will at certain times of the day make even the super fast chargers slow to a crawl. Watching this all the 'planning' you have to do to drive an EV a few hundred miles is mind boggling. A nice ICE car...drive, stop, stretch legs, toilet, food, maybe fill up and you can be away in 30 minutes...try that with an EV.
I used to plan fuel stops. As I will not ever pay motorway prices. So which junctions have a supermarket just off them? And how far apart are they? Etc
@@justgetatesla What do supermarkets have to do with it? You can buy hot food and drink at many filling stations now, and certainly snacks like crisp, chocolate, caned drinks, bottled water and so on but the sensible ones amongst us buy them at the local supermarket before we set off, or take flasks and sandwiches with us. Most service stations have toilets (in fact I can't ever remember stopping at one that doesn't), and they're not exactly difficult to find and are included on sat navs. We also have the option of stopping at cafes or pubs to eat if we want to, plenty of those about not far from motorway junctions. We're not in the Australian outback!
And of course we don't have to plan much at all as fuel is available everywhere, we have far more range and don't even have to worry about having a full tank, or even much at all, before we set off as we can fill up at the nearest station in 5 minutes. But of course you know all this already because you have owned an ICE car. So why keep talking as though we don't have a clue or the "ICE way" doesn't exist, or it's something new to us? You know as well as we do how easy it is to fill up and go, find fuel within a few miles of anywhere in the vast majority of cases, find food, drink, toilets etc.
Supermarket- for cheap fuel perhaps…?
A big reason you get low rates at night is low demand. If people start charging all their EV's overnight, that low demand will become high demand. That will eliminate one of the big reasons rates were discounted.
30 minutes? My Tesla usually tells me that the car is ready at about the 20 minute mark (mostly).
Love this video here, I'm due to get model y standard range in a few weeks. I was a bit nervous of the lower range but doesn't seem to be a concern because of the reliable Tesla network! Thanks for sharing I've subscribed & look forward to seeing more 👍
You’re welcome!
No one does a journey without stopping , true but its how long the stop is . Ask a courier . Aberdeen from the east Midlands is a 1 day job for us .
And for me usually
Hi Ian, just wanted to say that I enjoy your content, thatnks for thr good work
Appreciated!
sir you are what is known as a milk float deliver delivering milk and bread locally, I drove from Sheerness Kent to Elion Aberdeenshire in one day and back two days later the only stop was to fill up Diesel each stop time was 10 minutes total 20 min going up and 20 min on return time. Beat that ?
You are fortunate that you can choose the time you travel. Some people, lets say teachers, can only travel at peak times, so the demand for chargers may be higher.
I travel at peak times too. I’ve still never had to queue for a supercharger. And I’ve done more than 70 stops at them now
How far is a teacher driving to school such that they need to charge enroute?!
@djtaylorutube Did you not do that well at school?
Let me spell it out for you - teachers can only go on holiday in the school holidays. So if they want to drive anywhere, either go on holiday in this country or to visit relations that involves a long distance journey, they can only do so at certain times of the year. You know those certain times of the year when lots of other people are on the road, hence the higher demand for the limited chargers.
Is that differentiated enough for you to understand?
And so you don't make 2+2=5; no, I am not a teacher, just a realist who realises that what may work for one person may not work for half a dozen others.
@@chromiumphotography5138 school no, university much better ;)
There are 567,309 qualified teachers in the UK, i'm not buying that as a problem given the constantly referenced 37 million or so cars that need charging. Pretty certain they're not all going on holiday on the same day, in the same direction at the same time.
This is a transition, not expected to solve it this year or next. Couple of decades...
Again, I’ve charged at peak times on peak days. And not had to queue.
Just checked at 1646 on 10/11 and there are queues at Tebay with 0 of 12 stalls available
Great! So what?
@@justgetatesla it’s not all free stalls, quite common to be full/queuing there.
What are your thoughts on Open to All, that’s a Tesla owner divisive one?
Clearly great from Tesla getting people hooked but the issue is the App showing available stalls but you get there and they’re blocked by people with charging ports in different orientations. Happened to me at Newport.
Just get the V2/3 replaced by V4?
But if older slower charging cars start using Open to All then the time on charge metric Tesla love (and for which pre-conditioning was designed) gets hammered.
I’ve been doing EV for 11 nearly 12 years, I won’t go back……but the whole DNO / Grid connection issue needs to be resolved so that the charging infrastructure can be rolled out much faster. 👍
(And as for destination charging……come on hotels and car parks!)
.. yes that can happen even w/ superchargers, key busy sites can get full. Luckily, the GPS satnav shows ON SCREEN how many stalls are free, so you can plan a stop elsewhere, and the routeplanner even *auto-detours* you to a different charge location if it will be busy (recent update now even takes into account, other teslas enroute to the charger at same time!)
Now, if it is the only charger location for miles, and is full? That is a hassle. But Tesla seems to get those pretty well planned out, and add more capacity/locations to avoid bottlenecks... busy California freeways between LA & San Francisco, have gotten HUGE 100-stall sites now.
@@cgamiga our grid in the UK is lucky to get a new connection in 6 years…..for 12 stalls. It’s a real struggle getting a DNO connection or upgrade here.
The prediction of availability via the new firmware upgrade isn’t yet live in the UK, and has little benefit on Open to All locations……you can’t predict when other makes are on route.
All you have proved, is that Tesla chargers, are better than all others.
That is almost true. Tesla SuperCHargers are better than MOST but not all, here in Australia. The national State Car Clubs such as the Royal Auto Club of Victoria, have all banded together and bought out Chargefox, which was previously the largest non Tesla charging company. As a member, they Charge 48c/kWh on a 350kW charger, or 32c on a 50kW charger (until recently to 50kW chargers were totally FREE for everyone). I use 'A Better Route Planner' web site (on my Mac) to plan out my trips, avoiding Tesla SC's wherever possible (due to their high prices), but if there is no other choice, I have to use Tesla chargers. ABRP has ALL chargers in it, including Tesla, which makes it easy to pick and choose. It would be nice if Tesla had a web site that could do the same, but alas...
Thanks for the videos. I've been enjoying them. So sad to hear of all the price gouging at non-Tesla chargers. That doesn't help the adoption of EV's at all. I recently found out that my local grocery store has a Charge Point 6kw charger that is free! I don't know how many offer that here in the states, but I sure am glad this one does. I believe it's a good incentive to bring in customers. I don't usually shop for more than 45 minutes, but that's enough to pay for my round trip there and leave me with a couple of percent extra on my battery. Thanks again for the videos. It's interesting watching views of your country that a lot of people may never see.
In the real world, you stop when you want, where you want and for however long you want... I can stop after an hour, I can stop after 3 hours!
There! Lovely milk float though.
I do the same!
Three words to consider, cost, depreciation, insurance! Fortunately, we all have choice (depending on individual budget) on which vehicle to drive, well at the moment at least!
G'Day again Ian. I have watched many of Bjorn Nylands videos in Norway, which can sometimes be blurry due to vibrations, but the quality of your vids is nothing like those at all - no shaking, vibrations, and it appears to have auto image stabilisation. Even when you go around a sharp corner, it sort of self centres itself. Amazing. Please tell me how you did it (especially the mounts)... I would like to do the same here in Australia.
Very kind! I use a GoPro Hero 10 mostly, set on Boost mode on image stabilisation. Mount is the suction cup you get with the camera and a few extension pieces I got off Amazon.
I can refuel my merc diesel in about 5 minutes under a canopy and travel more than 500 miles stopping is not liesure
Do you drive 500 miles without a stop?
Does your keyboard not allow you to use Capital Letters or punctuation?
Had to laugh. Your simmering rage against the Macmaster was quite apparent .
lol no - I like his videos! And he raises good points at about public chargers which I am also highlighting. It’s called “banter”
I’ll keep my Diesel thanks - trying to be a poor McMaster Copy - not working sorry
killing time more hotels need more chargers ......lol .... electric cars should be choice not FORCED .. they will suit some peoples needs and not suit others ... lets see how u feel after 10 years of driving electric and give us the verdict then
That will be next year
Haha burn 😂
Sadly a lot of the big brand hotels are putting in rapid chargers (e,g premier inn). What we need are lots of slow (hopefully cheaper) chargers, instead of a couple of rapid chargers. But overall I agree, we need a lot more hotels to provide ev chargers.
@@justgetatesla still got the petrol back up car ,that hasnt gone unoticed , my point is that all car choice should be the choice of the driver and not forced .u seem like a nice fellow .. just for me electirc doesnt suit me & i dont want a singapore scenario where only government & multi millionarires can drive .. call me old fashioned if u like ...
Since when has the choice been taken away?.
re driving in rain @26:57...agreed, too many folks (incl Tesla drivers!) drive too fast on wet roads... and at least on dashcam channels, those same drivers dont' check their tire/tread depth, and then end up hydroplaning into the highway divider, even in AWD traction-control Tesla. Be safe, people!
PS at least in California, where it is law to have headlights on in rain... Tesla automatically turns on headlights, in rain when auto-wipers come on. Very nice!!
I used to do a 520km journey three times a month from Exmouth to north-east Wales, this went on for 6 months. I made only one stop for the toilet each journey and that took a maximum of 10 minutes. There are people who want to go long range and don't want to stop.
Also, I went there and back on one tank of fuel really easily. It would still have 400km in the tank after finishing.
Hiya! You didn't say where in NE Wales - have input Mold to model this. If I left Exmouth with a full battery I would need a single stop of 13 minutes. So only 3 minutes longer than your example and at a significantly lower cost abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=2e0c982c-efbe-4615-a7e0-f127d395f97a
Re the 250kW chargers that had replaced old 120kW chargers, I wonder where the old ones go to? We could surely use them here in Australia. There are so many medium sized towns that could use a couple of 120kW chargers that's for sure. Yes, 250+kW would be nice, but then we would be beyond the max speed ththat most cars can charge (at present). Maybe we will find the old chargers in thrift stores soon ? ;-)
I really want to spend my days consuming whilst charging while I need to be somewhere . What a life
If I needed to be there quicker I would have been…
Takes me 5 mins to fill up my little VW polo , I don’t have to sit there like a muppet looking for things to keep me entertained for 25mins.
But you don’t earn money from other people watching videos about something they claim not to be interested in…
What you should remember, is that probably 99.9% of EV owners have come from ICE. You can't tell us what we already know about ICE refuelling.
However, ICE only drivers have 100% of zero personal experience from which to compare.
I'm already way ahead because since August, I haven't had to go anywhere to spend time holding a nozzle to refuel.
Actually, small admission there, I did have to get petrol for the lawnmower. You should have seen the look from the guy in front who was refueling when I pulled up behind in a Tesla.
It doesn't matter though, they're all just cars and we're all just drivers, it's not a competition so drive what works for you, it doesn't bother me at all.😊
That was not Macmaster the Disaster that passed you. You must have passed him while he was in a charger pretending to get it wrong again.
I have a M3 and have never had to queue to charge and drive 25000 miles per annum. Supercharger is so much cheaper than 3rd party chargers and so easy to use. Looking forward to part 2
Welcome to Sweden during our holidays.... Like our "Sportlov", Sport holiday, where people have had to wait 1-2 hours, just to be able to charge.
I wish superchargers were cheaper here in Australia. They used to be, but Tesla keeps increasing the prices which are currently 63 to 75c per kWh or 85c/kWh for non-Tesla's. What really irks me is that Tesla pays LESS THAN 2.5c/kWh from massive solar and wind farms as part of a PPA (Power Purchase Agreement). I prefer to use the Car Club 350kW chargers which are 60c for non members, and 48c for members (I'm a member). Interestingly, Tesla has installed their chargers virtually right next to the Car Club chargers, which is very strange. It would nice if they worked together and spaced them out every 100km, alternating between the two organisations. (IMO)
@@greghudson9717 Here in Sweden, it is cheaper per kilometer in my Volvo D4 AWD than charging on a Tesla Supercharger.
Example, using SEK and estimated consumption for the Tesla of at least 2,5 kWh/10 km and my real world consumption of 0,61l/10 km diesel on our latest roadtrip, 470 kilometer in -15 to -23 degree C:
Fuel cost for diesel was less than 11 SEK/10 km. Supercharging will be (depending on place) around 15 SEK/10 km. Could be higher if the consumption goes up, and it does go up in the cold and wintery roads.
Summer consumption the same road would probably be around even between supercharger and diesel for our Volvo (0,49-0,50 l/10km real world data and Tesla is probably 1,5 kWh/10 km (could be higher of course but most certainly not lower).
Had to rely on Instavolts back in the day when Electric Highway/Gridserve was pants….more pants than before. Always dropped off at Booths either Carnforth or Penrith. Older cars charging speeds aren’t the same as your Tesla……those 50kW chargers took about 50-60min in our Ioniq 38, way too long for my shopping style!
I had a 2014 Leaf, so I am familiar with slower cars with smaller batteries and these old chargers. As you say, they're an odd thing to install at a shop!
I live in Canada, and been waiting endlessly for an ioniq5, lost patience last year and bought a 2023 M3. Tesla has reduced the price of the 2024 MY by a lot since last year and I will go for a MY. Will order it Friday.
I usually really enjoy your videos. This one, not so much. All that’s coming across here is that if you’re able to afford a Tesla you’re better off than some pleb who can only afford a Kia for instance.
We can’t all get Tesla’s through our companies (honestly it’s the insurance for me) and talking shit about other EV charging infrastructure doesn’t really help if you’re hoping to grow the EV market as a whole.
We only recently handed back a 38kWh Ioniq at the end of its lease. So crappy charging infrastructure affected us as well. We need two things:
1. More chargers
2. Sane pricing and payment methods. Part 2 shows some new chargers at a hotel. Been there for months but no visible way to see what network they are on. Some digging and I find they want £££ for them. Hotel has them put in, then nobody uses them, then EVs get a bad name. So we need to expose these things - not to attack every other brand, to improve charging
That’s the biggest issue with ev vehicles,cost,prices need to come down.
Not really a fair comparison when you’re charging at night and have plenty of time on your hands. There are drivers with severe time constraints who don’t have the luxury of just coasting along. You were also very fortunate to have much better weather than the trip you were comparing it to. No need to be smug about your charging. Different days provide different circumstances. All it shows is if you have the correct weather, road conditions, traffic conditions etc. life can be much easier. But back to the point that some peoples jobs require them to be, as you say ‘going, going, going’. Your ‘horrible conditions’ were mild compared to the trip you frequently compare it to….anyway it’s good to have your road trip as a comparison to the other one you mentioned. I’m not against EV’s. My son has one and loves it…lovely car…very smooth. Regarding your comment ‘ my car can do 700 miles without stopping’ then suggesting it’s unrealistic as they have to stop for a pee, are two separate arguments. The point with the 700 miles analogy is that he didn’t have to worry about refuelling, nothing else….you weren’t stuck in miles of tailbacks due to road works and flooding. Would love to see you do the same route as the MacMaster under similar conditions, with a similar timescale…that would be a much fairer comparison.
I’ve got a diesel car. I can do the same long journey to Glasgow, sometimes it’ll be brilliant, clear roads, decent weather etc and get there nice and refreshed. Other times the same journey can be a nightmare and take 2-3 hours longer….so many variables….
I don't need to do JoG - Lands End - others already have ruclips.net/video/bM5hYkEXOVM/видео.html
I've driven the Tesla through sleet and side winds on other videos - still doesn't lose masses of range as you seem to be suggesting it would. Anyway, watch part 2 - 500 miles home from Coventry trying to get home as fast as possible...
2023 summer I did 4000 miles roadtrip in europe with non-tesla car, but I used only superchargers with Tesla app, only once I had to wait 10 minutes, because I went to small 4 stall supercharger where 2 stalls were broken, it was my fault, it was stupid idea to choose that location, other 23 supercharger stops I didn't have waiting problem. Example Mantorp, Sweden tesla has 40 supercharger stalls, only 1 was in use when I arrived there, so 39 stalls were still available, after me only 38 of course.
39 free stalls? Oh no - what a long queue.... lol
Hi, great video.
At about 33:13, asked what use are the slow chargers. Well my Zero DSR does very well on those.
Only has a six kw charger on the bike and I need a type 1 socket so I have to use my own cable.
So works for me and they are nearly always available.
Great - thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Er, no, most of us don't do multiple stops on a road trip. The reality is that if we're driving a 200 mile trip it usually means a motorway for most of the route, which means a 3-4 hour trip - easily done without a stop, or no more than a quick stop for the loo. Most of us don't want to pay top dollar for the usual motorway dross, so if anything it's a quick can of drink and a sandwich or pack of crisps, and those of us with more sense than money buy them locally before we set off. You guys talk as though we're going to be on the road non-stop for the entire day.
Not everybody has a Tesla and few EVs currently have a range of more than 200 miles, if that, but to keep suggesting that it's no less convenient than filling up with petrol or diesel is laughable. I don't know whether your' trying to justify your purchase or convince yourself or what, but if you - and by you I mean the EV community that keep on touting this - are trying to convince the rest of us that you're no worse off, well it's not working. I, and many others, don't want to hang around waiting for our cars to charge every couple of hundred miles. We just don't. Don't forget we know how it is, we're not just about to buy our first car, most of us have been driving for years. If you're happy with your EV and faffing around charging every couple of hundred miles that's fine, but we're not interested. Just stop it.
No one’s trying to convince you. You came to an EV channel. 🤷
200 miles? Try 500 miles on this trip. Next week there’s no extended stops as I need to go home as quickly as horrible traffic will let me
“Just stop it” 😂
@@tim66612343 I'm just expressing an opinion, same as you. Isn't that part of the reason we have a comments section? And the jist of most EV videos IS to try to convince the naysayers that we should at least consider them.
@@justgetatesla The point is we can do a 200 mile trip quite easily without the need to stop at all. With an EV you can't, you have to recharge every 200 miles or whatever your range is, and that's assuming you have a full charge to begin with, which again is something we don't need. OK the range varies but that seems to be typical of all but the most expensive new models, and more than many will do.
Thank you for this interesting video. When charging a Tesla it is just a case of plugging in the charger to the Tesla car and job done. This is not the case for any other electric car manufacture. There is a lot more things to consider. There is an app for every single one of the 14 or so private charging companies and then you must register with each app all your details and method of payment. In lots of cases you must have a card for each charging company. So what you’re showing us in your video is the best scenario meaning using Tesla chargers and a Tesla car.
The Tesla interface is very informative and helpful to making you helping you make an immediate decision on whether or not you want to keep charging or keep going, but Tesla lies about range when they sell the car, so can I trust that interface?
BTW - in my metro area you always need to planon being caught in a jam on the freeway and having to idle your car for an hour. I recommend you keep that in mind in your travels depending on where you’re going.
So how much was the cost to charge at a supercharger during the 4-8pm peak?
Up to 69p per kwh.
The website calculates a 5% saving over an ice car on petrol.
Hasn’t been 69p a kWh for ages. 40p now at most of the ones I use
How does your calculator work with my solar panels providing ALL my city EV juice ?
It was fun driving Ev's back in the olden days , Public charging was free ,It's very hard to build out infrastructure for people who never use it , 90% of people charge their cars at home or at work for free ( One of the advantages of driving an EV) so long trips can be potentially difficult ,I'm never in a hurry anyway so It didn't bother me until recently when queues seem to be forming at charging stations . Last Christmas Tesla superchargers had queues at them and this Christmas and new year should be even worse , it will be interesting to see how it all works out .
If you have to wait 20 mins to get on a charger and it takes you 30mins to charge if you are in a hurry that can be a game changer , people reported last Christmas waiting for 4 hours to get on a charger .
I think question is increasingly becoming "Why don't you just buy a diesel"
I’ve done 75 or so supercharge stops with zero queues
Yes at the moment , there were issues last Christmas , google it, especially if they open up the supercharger network . @@justgetatesla
@@johhny711The Daily Mail, Sun etc. reported on Tebay Services and there are plenty of dissections which explain the perfect storm there. Christmas when maximum people travelling, combined with a train strike, a services that isn't a proper services, chargers only in one direction and insufficient and slow chargers at that. There are now 12 instead of 8 and the new ones are v3 instead of v2.
I was looking today and saw that Dartford (Bluewater shopping centre) was full with wait times around 5 minutes. About 5 minutes away is the Tesla service centre which had 11 of 12 free.
Which story there do you think the gutter press would mash up?
@@justgetatesla And still other have gotten stuck in huge queues. This is a real problem that is arising more and more and it will not go away for decades.
I have driven close to 5 years on a Tesla, not ones I had to queue at the supercharger. I see this argument al the time. I don't say it never happens to anybody, but for me it looks an exception. Also the Tesla apps tells how many stalls are available at a site before you arrive, so you can adjust yourself to other Supercharger stalls if needed. Also what is so nice with the Superchargers is, that you are getting a fine, if it stopped charging for more than 5 minutes. One of the biggest issues is that people leave the EV plugged in on some 3d party chargers, without charging.
Funny how EV owners find it relaxing and fun sitting charging for at least 30 minutes
It’s called having a break on a long trip. Most fuel car owners do the same - all those cars parked at motorway services
@@justgetatesla I have a choice every time though!
So do I!
@@justgetatesla but you don’t if you’re being honest, and EV’s are so green! Laughable
I really enjoy these videos. All the EV manufacturers go on about are two things: improving charging times and range. I cannot see the rush as EV owners all seem perfectly content as things are.
Speed of charging and range is fine for me. As long as when you get to a charge station you can get straight on it’s fine. So yeah, capacity is the main consideration
In the 30,000km I have driven my Tesla, only ONCE have I arrived at a SC station to find it FULL. I waited 3 minutes before someone left. In the next 10 minutes, 3 others left, and 3 more arrived. Everything seemed to work flawlessly.
Just saying... my bladder has less charge than my Tesla 😂
Hello Ian, I have found the same experience road tripping my Tesla here in the States. My brother and I took relatively short road trip from Northern New Jersey to Springfield Massachusetts. My brother is an EV skeptic. He was worried about charging and range. It is 157 miles one way to Springfield MA to my house in Wayne NJ. Left my house with 100% charged battery. Made it to Springfield with 30%. Stayed over night in a hotel that didn't have level 2 charing. Tesla supercharger was less than a mile away. Had breakaway out while my Tesla was charing up to 80%. That was it, done. Drove home with 20% left pulling into my driveway. I have the model 3 standard RWD, which has less range than the long range and the performance, but can be charged to 100% regularly. That makes it about the same usable range in all the model 3's. At least for Teslas there is no range or charging anxiety at all. Just Get a Tesla indeed! Love your videos
Thanks!
Even before EVs there was an attitude that some vehicles were better or worse than others based on snobbery. But hey - we now have differences based on smuggery.
Smuggery? I want EV charging to be hugely improved for non-Tesla. Because otherwise it doesn’t work
I was prompted to claim smuggery because on your trip you had a go at people who want to make the trip in one go - you had all the time in the world for coffee, toilets etc and you decried those who don't as you though stopping wasn't normal. The following day you planned to make the return journey without stopping in your ever so wonderful Tesla which has now had the headlight replaced and a new brain.@@justgetatesla
Ev driving is all about good planning, yes Tesla are the best in every way, but putting rapid in supermarkets are ok but everyone blocks them by shopping over 60 mins and also most have cameras now timing your visit to 90 minutes max ( lidi) Tesco etc but your not allowed to use them outside of store hours otherwise your get a parking fine of £100.
I would you not just get a diesel that does 600 miles on a tank 🙄
I’ve had several of those. I stop driving after
@@justgetatesla pahaha..... if everyone stopped every 3 hours on a trip car parks on motorways couldn't cope...
When it’s busy they don’t. But most normal people stop after 3 hours. Some a bit longer, some a bit shorter. But people do stop. Normal people…
Great trip! Let’s see more road trips.
Imagine you are a hotel owner and a luton is in your backyard because you are soo environmental friendly and decided to install chargers all over!
If I was such a business owner, with Luton airport in my backyard, I’d be doubling the price of parking knowing that airport users still need a place to park and now one option is no longer available. That’s monopolistic opportunity for you. But I’m guessing that’s not what you’re alluding to.
There’s plenty of petrol and diesel car fires in the world and normally the world barely notices each time one happens, and then Luton Aorport and Fremantle Highway come along and everyone says “it’s those electric cars you know! It says so in the Daily Mirror!”. It turns out they weren’t the cause in either situation.
Very informative video, I love your style!
Thanks so much!
Amazingly us poor mortals who have a suburban flat and can't charge at home or afford a tesla have a busy lifestyle. Recommendations for a stress free EV experience please.
My recommendation is to remain EV free right now. You've just mentioned key points that need addressing so right now, there's no need to change, why would you?
People can continue using whatever car they've got, there's no reason to change unless you want to.
This driving none stop versus frequent stops debate. One can buy a diver's watch that can go to a depth of 2000 feet or something. I would never take it anywhere near as deep under water, but it's nice to know it'd be alright if I dropped it in the sink.
A great analogy! People have different uses. For *the majority* of people a break every 2-3 hours is the norm. Which is perfectly within the capabilities of most EVs at UK motorway speeds. Then again for most people their average daily mileage can be done without any public charging at all
Just wanted to thank you for your content, especially videos like this. We're picking up our Model Y LR in 4 weeks and as our first EV, coming from a Rav4 hybrid, 'range anxiety' has been a real concern. Albeit a concern that I'm realising is picked up from the general media opinions of EVs.
Watching your real world experience, realising the shift in thinking from the old style stopping for fuel over to just charging when stopping anyway makes a real difference. My personal bladder, hunger and fatigue range is far lower than the cars after all and if I'm stopping anyway, I'll do it somewhere I can grab a bit of charge - efficient!
The only downside for us is our home charger install is delayed until the new year, so we'll be relying on public charging infrastructure in the meantime. There's a couple of 150KW chargers near us so it shouldn't be too stressful and my normal longer range journeys are well covered by superchargers - including Hilton Park and Tebay (possibly the best service station I've ever used).
Really looking forward to making the switch to EV.
Whilst you wait for a wall box to be installed, keep topping the charge off with the granny charger. Its slow, but it does add range! Watch this ruclips.net/video/w5JmTwGk4Yk/видео.html
Cars were all about getting from A to B as simple as possible , so doing the journey on one tank was fantastic as who wants to be sitting in a car longer than necessary, However with the enforced advent of EV's now mean the whole drive is planned around recharging which can take hours . In essence EV's can double the length of the journey ; so if you like longer journeys hanging around af overpriced service stations , then good for you
You've never actually looked at the reality, have you? Most normal people take a break on a long trip - which is why we have so many full service areas at weekends and in the holidays. I don't plan my trip around recharging - the car tells me where to charge. For minutes, not hours
Evs are old hat as I remember the milk floats and they were a compromise but running silent was necessary on a early milk round. Out of interest why do we actually need EV's what is their purpose@@justgetatesla
I started EVing with a 22 Kw Renault Zoe in 2016.The charging network then was virtually non existent.Now its has improved unbelievably to the point it's a non issue.Also 50 kWh chargers are useful to us non Tesla people as we can get a much more linear charge rate out of them.If I have to wait for a car to charge at all,I will go for a short walk.Its like rediscovering all the small towns between Aberdeen and Stirling instead of just bypassing them at high speed.
I’m also a veteran at this - we got a Leaf in 2014.
Nice to see a Tesla being represented as opposed to the Porsche potato network 🤣 I have the same experience every time I travel in my Tesla it’s always easy.
Potato ? Please explain...
Great video, exactly what was needed after the constant rubbish that is pushed out by others who shall remain nameless, roadtripping in EV’s (non Teslas) 👍🏼
At some time in the future when more people have transitioned to EV’s, the government will need to shift the road taxes to catch all the income they will be losing. I think it will be in the form of an annual levy with an annual mileage component. Or maybe the government will just decide they don’t need the money, yeah right!
Here's an alternative. Eliminate ALL road user fees for EV's, and ADD taxes to petrol and diesel to subsidise the EV's. This will put a fire under the bums of those dolts still driving ICE age motors.
I did London and back over a weekend in my Model 3 end of September. (Also North Aberdeenshire)
Quickest is Edinburgh then Tebay (now) then Rugby. Stopped at Tottenham on the way down to get a charge for the drive back.
£106 in supercharging for the trip.
Used to be 20p a kWh and £50.
Haven't got time to eat at Tebay now. 😢
Tebay was sooooo good. May have to eat there again in future
@@justgetatesla saw the second video.
I don't use either of the back roads to/from Edinburgh/Tebay.
M74 - M8.
Newbridge is not really Edinburgh, it's M8 East.
Not necessarily a good plan at rush hours because it can get gridlocked getting out. Then I'd choose Perth. (They need to improve the footpath to McDonalds at Perth)
LOL I WOULD BE 40 MILES DOWN THE ROAD BY NOW, WHAT A JOKE
No one said the charging for Teslas is rubbish, it’s the Tesla itself that’s a horrible looking car, and the build quality is awful 👍🏻
Build quality isn't awful though...
@@justgetatesla terrible everything inside is plastic cheap 👍🏻
@@justgetatesla plus my next door neighbour as got one and he valued it after owning it 9 months bearing in mind he brought it second hand, he’s lost £12,000 in 9 months
@@justgetatesla It was in the one I test drove a couple of years ago for a car costing that much. Suppose it depends what you're used to, that's all I can think of.
Sounds like my Volvo S90 diesel. But if he hasn’t sold it then he hasn’t lost any value. I see plenty of used Tesla’s with similar mileage to mine selling for £40k. That’s a paper loss of £17k. So what - I’m not selling it, and I could have bought *any* £50k+ car and lose a similar amount of cash. Most depreciation is in the minutes after you drive it away from the showroom
As Shakespeare heard in his town, ABC. Always Be Charging.
My local Bannatyne health club have a 50kw charger and charge 85p a KWH, what a rip off
Ludicrous!
Have you bought your Tesla through your business?
2, What is your insurance cost and is that put through the business as well?
3, What is the warranty period and would you sell it before the warranty ran out?
4. What was the cost to your business (if you wish to divulge?) for the down time when your Tesla grounded you?
5. Since you bought the car what is the total costs of repairs if they weren't under warranty
6. What is the total time down time in the number of days of your Tesla has grounded you?
7. Is there any large part of the U.K. that does not have 'Tesla' charging points?
1. Yes
2. Watch this insurance video. Yes.
3. 4 years / 50,000 miles for the car, 8 years / 120,000 miles for the battery. No.
4. £0
5. Watch the repair video
6. 2 days. The rest of the time was Storm Babet. And I could have used my wife’s car anyway
7. No
No pressure should be put on anyone about their choice of car. If you do long journeys an ice car makes so much more sense, if you pop to the shops or work in a city an EV makes more sense....it really is that simple.
The choice is there for either, we shouldn't be penalised either way.
I recently did a 7500km trip in my Model Y, and only had to plan stops at 60 chargers. But I didn't have to stop at all of them, they were in the planner just in case I needed them. I did the same thing in my wife's ICE car when we had it.
can not beive you was rite next to my house haha if i knew i would have got you a pint
Since I drive a Tesla, i find that I’m less tired when I get to destination because I stopped a few times.
I genuinely do not stop more frequently on long Tesla trips than when I had diesel or petrol.
Nice network , great software....shame about the car , looks like a Mondeo , I don't like the look of them plus I need and estate for Labradors , I also don't like the dash , I don't want to be looking and using an ipad in the middle , also the build quality on the ones I've been in leaves a lot to be desired at that price...I'll be sticking to my E class estate for 5 years at least...until there's a decent choice of alternatives.....and no I am not angry , I am not averse to the EV concept but it's not there yet for me
No you’re not - perfectly sensible considerations! I would rather have a full sized SUV than the crossover body style. But nobody sensible makes an EV one. Quite like the VW idBuzz- but VAG drivetrain is woefully inefficient
For what it’s worth I’ve replaced a BMW F31 330d Estate with a Model Y - no problem with two labradors in the back, just get the little infill boxes left and right for the boot so they don’t break their legs. Having the front boot and underfloor storage means no more roof box needed for family trips. The Tesla is more annoying in some respects, the parcel shelf is stupid, doesn’t retract and can’t be stored under the floor like the BMW can, and I would prefer a normal instrument cluster too. Build quality on my Shanghai built U.K. 2023 Y has been fine so far, panel gaps normal, no rattles, no interior issues (and I’m very picky!), way better than the US built model 3 and Y I’ve rented. The only drawback, and this affects maybe 5 trips over the past 10 years, is it can’t do the long range, short stop trips, and I’m talking 500 miles Southern England - Scotland with one 15 minute toilet stop - the BMW was great at this, and in bad weather the BMW X-Drive system still feels better connected to the road, but as Ian points out these non-stop runs are not a common use pattern, and probably not a safe idea either! Beyond that, it’s been a fine replacement for the estate so far. It is a bit on the ugly side though, especially from the front. Saves me about £12 per day on my 80 mile commute too. I was sceptical, but I’m glad I swapped, family love the extra space. And just to be clear, I’m not trying to persuade anybody to buy a Tesla, I can’t stand the zealotry and tribalism that EVs Vs IC discussions seem to invoke, just sharing my experience as an ageing petrolhead.
@tobytroubs Have you taken a look at the new Fisker Ocean, they say it’s an SUV but it is really an estate car.
Thanks for the comments! I've done northern Aberdeenshire to Dartford a few times - a pair of 20-30 minute stops which we would be doing for food / fuel / toilet anyway
Thx for the handy info , the two Teslas I've been in ( as a passenger only ) were not good build quality, I don't know where they were built though, and it's that impression I've been left with, flimsy interior. I remember thinking if I was paying that much money for a car I'd want something better than this, that was my first impression .
Interesting perception, depends how much you like sitting in a car, or waiting. Personally I wouldn't like sitting around waiting for the car to charge, I just want to get to my destination. I appreciate that here he is not in a rush etc. etc. I would have an EV for local driving but it would drive me up the wall (to coin a phrase) to do a long journey in on having to stop and charge all the time. All the best, choose what suits you , your situation, your pocket, and you temperament. I would still have a diesel 4 wheel drive SUV because it ticks all the boxes of where I live.
There is a perception that nobody ever stops on trips except EVs. And yet motorway services are always rammed full of cars parked up…
@@justgetatesla I agree, everyone is different. I regularly do 300+ mile journeys I rarely stop, other than in the copious roadworks and traffic jams, from point to point. Also all of my destinations do not have charging available at them. But that is my preferred way of travelling. Others enjoy stopping and relaxing every so often, I know several who do. That's why I added the temperament bit in to when you choose a vehicle, what ever it may be.
I understand your amusement with people bashing EV"s just because they read something... Truth to the matter is people do that with ICE cars as soon as you have something more specific for e.g (large car, expensive car, sports car etc), but you have to admit the way Musk is advertising them since day one is indeed forcing a lot more people to do so while the fact early adopters were paying over 100k does not help. What I can say about EV's is that they are great, yet for a rather specific user (having home charging, living in a country with fast chargers, doing lots of trips ideally of up to 150-200 miles, country offering incentives for EV's, having a rather high budget for a car buying new....) And even when having most of these a HEV would do a very similar job as far as budget is concerned and often even cheaper.
There are plenty of things to attack Tesla for. The lies about Full Self Driving (in the UK specifically) as an example. But instead they go on and on about whatever guff they’ve read in the Daily Mail
@@justgetatesla Yes, the sun seems focused on spreading false data on EV's as well, but they are doing so about way more serious matters and the issue is people are buying it.
So I have noticed...
It's not for me. When planning a trip, the first thought shouldn't be will I have enough charge to get there, will I be able to charge there, should I go when there are less people charging, should I go at night and drive really slow and so on.
Electric vehicles have been a significant step backwards in the overall experience compared to petrol cars. If petrol cars were introduced today everybody would jump ship, going Wow, 1000 km range and full charge in 2 minutes or less. Amazing!
Most of my planning is send a place on Google Maps to the car. Get in the car. Drive where it tells me. What planning do you think I am doing?
My problem is that it charges so damn fast, I don't have time to buy and eat my sarnie...
Also, I don't work - fortunate enough to be retired - and I still don't have any issues waiting for a charge. Because I like to eat my food before I drive off, invariably I have to move off the supercharger so I don't get charged idle time 😁 [Edited according to more correct information]
Not illegal. Only if you drive without Due Care and Attention
@@justgetatesla Yup, googled it and you are right. Will amend my comment accordingly. But the fact remains that it is easier to charge your car while doing other stuff, like eating, or taking a comfort break, than standing around filling it with fuel.
Don't think I'm an evangelist, am buying a classic car for fun, but on a long journey, the Tesla takes it.
The funniest comments are from people who claim to do an 8 hour trip with only a 5 minute fuel stop. We know they don’t, they know they don’t. So why say it?
Yep, that's why we need more v2 slower superchargers! ;) I can't go to the loo and eat burger and fries before the car is ready. I can get mostly through the fries but that's it.
@@justgetatesla What we don't understand is that EV fanatics are always suggesting that the rest of us are doing 8 hour journeys while you guys are only travelling 200 miles or so, or probably less. Do we drive for 8 hours without stopping? Not usually (though I've done 8 hours with no more than half an hour stop many times back in the day, and in vehicles that are far less comfortable than what we have now), but we do drive for 3 hours or so to cover 200 miles without needing to stop for anything more than fuel at the 200 mile mark. It's not difficult in a comfortable car.
This is better than a sleeping tablet !
Good news! I have many more videos / sleeping aides you can watch
Did you think about how much diesel or other fossil fuels burned too generate the electricity needed to charge your car.
Do you think about how much fossil fuels are used to crack the oil into Petrol and Diesel?
The reality is that an EV produces 3 times less CO2 in the EU today. That Co2 number decrease will decrease with another 62% !!! in 2030 when EV cars on the road increases. This data CO2 data includes: Production of the car, battery production and fuel consumption also the fuel used to produce electricity to drive and produce cars and batteries.
Hi Ian, are you referring to the guy who drives a Porsche Taycan 😂
Another great video Ian 👍
We recently did a 700+ miles road trip to, around, and back from, North Wales and no issues with charging at all.
Charged at Rugby on the way up and Newport Pagnell on the way back, and granny charged at the accommodation we stayed at.
Cost in total, about £70 for 700+ miles.
Having a Tesla with their charging infrastructure is a no-brainier when buying an EV.
Almost bought a Jaguar I-Pace, but so glad I opted for the Tesla MYLR.
Hope you're well (Keith).
Try charging when you're going to a popular location during a popular time...
Plus you've still wasted a half hour according to your account.
I've charged at popular places at popular times. Never had to queue in 70+ supercharger visits
Hi Ian. What do you think of Tesla making your new in car fridge redundant with the latest software update killing the 12v outlets even when Sentry mode is left on?
I didn’t leave it on anyway
If it was really about saving the planet, everyone would be able to use whatever charger they want
It isn't all about saving the planet. Once you have had an electric motor instead of a gearbox, you never want to go back. All the power, available at any speed, available instantly.
@@justgetatesla In a country where you struggle to get above 20 in town (regardless of the local limit) and much of the time, above 50 on a motorway. Yeah, sounds like a great idea. And I do understand, I drive a powerful car, but that sort of torque around town available to people who could previously never afford the sort of car that would give them anything close to that sort of power doesn't sound like a step in the right direction to me given the overall standard of driving, especially in a near silent car.
Oh I agree - I have argued for a “family edition” of the car with less powerful motors. All the EV manufacturers seem to be on a dick waving contest to add more and more power. But even if the power isn’t crazy, the linear delivery of a motor is better than any gearbox. And there’s no real moving parts to break
@@-A-lm5xb My Tesla has 220kW of power and you are correct, it is really too much for most times. BUT... Tesla has this thing called CHILL MODE that cuts about 30 or 40% off. It's great for saving tyres.
I subscribed because i would like to hear the argument from the side of an EV driver. Clearly Tesla is far superior to everything else i have seen so far.
No car is perfect. No mode of transport is perfect. I believe a Tesla is the best option you want an EV, and I’m hoping that my lived experience is helpful to people
Good looking MY, you made the journey look easy. I strongly believe EVs are not for many people, especially if you want to save on cost. EVs are the preferred option for journeys less than 150miles and you can charge conveniently at home. I drove my Toyota prius excel phev 2020 from Telford to Whitburn (Scotland) 1 week ago. A return trip of abt 623miles. Drove with an aggressive, heavy foot on the A74 and M6 roads and blasting the heater. 😂. Spent only £55 on petrol. I have a £7/month bp pulse subscription as well.
I did once look at a PHEV Prius. How many miles does it do on battery? That HSD platform has been a winner for Toyota - clever but simple if you know what I mean
@@justgetatesla I see what you mean.
I'm not sure a EV will save you money in the long term doing short distances
when if you factor in the extra cost for buying the EV in the beginning
for example pretty much every EV is about £10k more than the none electric version of the same car
if you take that £10k and divide it up over 10 years
it costs you a extra £83 extra per month or about £20 per week
a diesel will easily do about 200 miles on that £20 and a petrol will probably get 80-100 miles on it
you have to be doing more than this , just to start clawing back the extra cost for the EV and that's not even counting the cost for the electric to do that 200 miles
now if your given a choice of a free car then the EV is a win any day
but once you factor in the extra it cost to buy the car its simply not good if all your going to use it for is short distances
the only way it can win is by doing 300 + miles per week
@@darkzim3872several RUclips videos have shown the EVs are the most expensive to own, when compared with hybrids or PHEV.
@@dayoadeosun1520 I did presume that while they cost a lot more to buy over time they where cheap to run so if you did more miles they ended up cheaper per mile over its life time
then I started seeing people saying they are perfect for short trips
I cannot find a straight answer but if you charged at home how much per mile is it costing a EV
because I run a old diesel car, I'm thinking of getting a EV but what's worrying me is am I going to get stung on price per mile
roughly my car will about £1 per 10 miles on the motor way (its only roughly because fuel priced change for example a full tank can cost me between £50 and £70 and I can get 550 miles out of it )
what's the best I could get out of a EV as a ball park figure
Well I’ve only been watching your videos for a few weeks and I just got a Tesla!
Congratulations!
"but, I can drive 700miles on tank of gas nonstop!" as you say- who REALLY does such a thing, w/o bathroom stops? Exactly! Painful! People don't have empty tummies and full bladders?!
@6:52 supercharging on arrival at hotel night, or the next morning? It is almost *always* better to do the night before on arrival, while the battery is still warm from driving... faster & safer charging.
Overnight the battery will cool down sitting, and next morning charge will be a lot slower (in winter w/ freezing temps, some folks reported up to 30min wait just to *warm* the batt , before it actually starts adding range!)
Thanks for the tips!
But you miss the point, which is that although we might not drive no-stop for 700 miles, we don't HAVE to. If we're pushed for time, or getting low on fuel and need to make an appointment or just miss the rush hour, all we need is a 5 minute stop. You don't have that with an EV. What is annoying is that the EV community seem to keep trying to justify the need to stop and charge every couple of hundred miles or so and won't accept that it's a disadvantage by it's very nature.
For me it’s all about normal use. Most people stop more than just for fuel if the trip is really long. The authorities implore you to stop, to have a break. Because they’re sick of dealing with the accidents that result when people don’t.
So many of the stops I do are 15 minutes. No more is needed. By the time you park up, go find the loo, grab a snack etc that’s 15 minutes done. In the real world I’m not spending much more time stopped and charging than I was just stopped.
I’ve done trips like Aberdeenshire to Kent so many times in various cars. The Tesla isn’t slower over 500 miles in my real world use
@@-A-lm5xb That is true, if you really DO have to drive 700miles non-stop, you can with only 5min break in gas car but not in EV.. but that is TEN HOURS STRAIGHT driving. That is NOT healthy/safe/enjoyable. And... how many drivers need to do that, how often? A TINY percentage. For those who need to,... keep your gas car!
or if you need to tow big trailers or heavy loads, in remote county... keep your gas/diesel truck! That's fine! Best tool for the job.
We're just trying to point out , eg the ENTIRE point of this video! and other comments, is that the VAST majority of drivers and usecases, do NOT have to worry about this. It is an overblown/overstated concern. It is a valid one, but VERY rare.
We keep stating / justifying this because the overblown concern/impractical usecase of "drive all day with NO stops" keeps getting raised as an objection/blocker that EVs are "not usable" for long trips, but it isn't very realistic.. and folks really underestimate how long they actually stop, and how short most charges really need to be.
eg for long CANNONBALL (non-stop) trips, maybe is valid... for regular vacation roadtrips, it is no problem at all (at least for Tesla)
@@cgamiga Yes, absolutely, but the EV driver can only go 200 miles (if he's lucky). The rest of us can drive up to 700 miles (around 450 in my car), but the point is not that we can drive that far, but that we don't have to stop every 200 miles or so.
No, I don't drive 200 miles a day. Most people don't. But it's not a great distance and having to recharge every few days even, against having to refuel for 5 minutes twice a month or so is a huge inconvenience for many people.
The usual response is that in the future we will be able to drive a zillion miles or whatever and recharge in 5 minutes. Great! Come back and sell us an EV then! But right now, with the current range and the need to stop and recharge when that range has expired - and all assuming you had a full charge to begin with remember, which millions of people who can't charge at home won't have, unless they recharged somewhere at the end of their last journey - they're simply not feasible for most people, which is why they're not selling.
Yeah😂😂
Planned trip to allow for weakness in battery mileage, taking longer than a person would normally wish to, otherwise known as manufacturing the “desired” truth😢
Planned trip because I had to dial into multiple meetings? When I wasn’t plugged in???
What are your tyre pressures?
42psi all round
Did I imagine it, Ian, or didn't you use to have your Trip B as Lifetime? I see it's now on as Winter 23/24? Any reason for the change?
When the computer was changed I lost the lifetime figure...!
@@justgetateslaAh, of course! My M3 is very nearly a year old and I've still got mine, but I think it's only a matter of time before I accidentally Reset Trip B. Come close many times!
I know how you feel. My phone went dead and it took me an hour to charge it up.