I have extensively used non-Tesla chargers with my Tesla Model 3 in France and UK and very rarely ever have any problem getting decent speeds. The only issue I have on occasion is persuading the Tesla to pre-heat the battery for non-Tesla chargers, sometimes it does it OK but other times you have to enter in a nearby Tesla SC to get it to work. The issue with this can be that there may not be a nearby Tesla SC, which is why you're using the third party charger... The only exception to this is MFG chargers which I've never got above 120kW with. So I would say that if you're having problems it's the fault of the polestar and not the chargers! Why not use Tesla? Well in France they are often in retail parks or hotel car parks off the autoroute, rather than in the service stations which is less convenient on a long trip. They also often don't have canopies, and the price differential between Tesla and non-Tesla is less in France vs UK. In the UK there are parts of the road network (eg A1 north of Ferrybridge) that only have old, power sharing, busy Tesla SC's that are best avoided. Of course I usually use Tesla because the charging experience and price is way better, but I'm also very happy that there is an extensive third party network to fall back on!
I've had 2 tesla company cars, currently have a BMW i4 M50 and went on a long trip with my mate on an Ionic 5. Charging on the public chargers was an awful experience (his was better than mine to be fair but not by much) we're both going back to tesla for our next cars.
And yet I drove mine to Malaga and back using an Electroverse RFID with absolutely 0 issues? I also use Tesla chargers (Trentham mainly) never had an issue there. I've always had BMW's. M5, M6, M4, the M50 still feels like home for me.
Good on you for producing this Ian. Not a Tesla car owner, but I can only agree with the underlying message - why would anyone that is unable to charge at home use any charger network other than the Tesla open-to-all network? Off-peak without a membership, I'm paying 30p/KWh less than the "mainstream" gouging networks (and 45p/KWh less than Instavolt!)
I have a Skoda Enyaq, and on two occasions all the car sounds went to maximum volume, fortunately they seemed to of cured it, as it hasn’t happened lately
I got a cheap Polestar rental at Gatwick last Christmas. Booked the cheapest car they had (a Corsa i think) and asked "Do you still have those Polestars?" when i picked it up. The guy at Hertz gave me the Polestar "upgrade" for free and seemed quite happy about it. I got the feeling he expected to have more luck renting out the Corsa than the Polestar. 55 quid for 3 days We really liked our Nexus 7's. They were great little tablets
I loved seeing you with phone in one hand and charge cable in the other, unlock the charge port door, then pause a moment while it didn’t open under its own power 😂
Hi Ian, another realistic and informative video. As I have said before, Tesla make EV's, legacy make electric cars. There is a difference and the Supercharger network is the icing on the cake. I wouldn't go back to an ice car for any money now and I wouldn't consider any other make than Tesla either.
I do most charging at home and my previous EV an E Niro was great, when the rates were sub 50p per kWh. When the rates went up, I decided to get a Tesla and part of the decision was the supercharger network and half price charging. On top of that I have had my Tesla Model 3 RWD Highland now for almost 9 months and absolutely love it. Suspension is far better and recent software updates have made the curvature assist work better, so the autopilot is better on more and more sections of road. I have now added the S3XY Knob and commander, bought when it was a third off! The added features are nice to have, change lane and reengage autopilot, flash LED strip when NAG for moving the wheel, Part or long pulls on certain door handles to open frunk or charge port. For non highland it also adds many of the features that I already have! As you say Just Get A Tesla!
I actually think the price is the same per kWh if you pay the monthly fee. However, the experience is very different! Tesla: You press the button, plug in and walk away, come back when your phone says it's about full, press the button and unplug. Non tesla: You open the app, find the charger in the app, maybe use a QR code, confirm your purchase, remove the plug covers, plug in, check that it is starting to charge, walk away. Admitted that I don't have the experience so it might not be 100% correct, you may see how much you have added and eventually walk back to check if it's okay now, then stop the charging and unplug and cover the plugs again
The Polestar 2 doesn't pre heat the battery whereas that Enyaq would have pre conditioned either if the sat nav had been navigating to the supercharger or if the driver pushed the button on screen to pre heat the battery.
I get on well with non-Tesla charging networks. I usually filter for the more reliable ones, like MFG, Gridserve, and Shell Recharge. Combined, they offer much greater coverage than Tesla chargers
I’m a model Y owner and have to use GRIDSERVE once a week and the prices are a rip off. The only positive is that they seam to be upgrading and expanding all their sites so that’s a positive I guess. I’ve also never had an issue starting a charge with the GRIDSERVE units so it’s got to be a car issue.
Tesla superchargers are the gold standard. Prices are the best. All others cost more to charge. Although Ionity with membership it is down to 43p which is very competitive to tesla with membership even beating it in some it at peak times.
Great video. I'm due to get a Mercedes EQA in just over a week, and plan to get the Tesla membership for the charging network. Interestingly, several of my colleagues have got the Polestar on order.
We have a Polestar 2. Great car that suits our needs and for most of the time we charge at home. When going on a road trip I look for convenient and reliable charging places that have multiple chargers so to avoid queuing. Depending on how much we think we will be charging we buy a months subscription and the best one for Polestar seems to be the Plugsurfing at £11.99 to get 30% off Tesla, IONITY and Fastned which suits us. The difference is Tesla peace of mind vs others having to plan a bit ahead. GRIDSERVE (with 5% discount for the foreseeable future) and Sainsbury Smartcharge seem reliable but 75p rate and so we avoid InstaVolt and BP or Shell at 85p rate plus… That’s our choice and each to his/her own choice - Tesla or other.
I was speaking with Sixt in Sandefjord airport, Norway. Right now rental cars are the last refuge of the brand new petrol / diesel car in Norway. Hire companies still buy them because their customers know how to use them. Next year all their cars will be electric. The Sixt rep was dismayed. The hire companies have no bulk charging facilities at their car parks, and they require all customer to return the cars with a minimum charge otherwise customers get landed a big fee + rip off price per kWh. It’s disappointing that they’ve made no preparations for all electric at their pickup/ dropoff (despite years of notice) and I suspect there’s going to be a lot of frustrated customers. I’ve had my dramas in Tromso last year, and I was dealing with other tourists who also had similar dramas. There’s still a lot of leg work needed to make charging as simple as filling with petrol and paying with your debit card.
the low daily rate on that Polestar somewhat mitigates the high cost of the non-tesla charging networks. I'm a bit shorter than you, so I might not mind the "cramped" cabin. And I rarely get into a situation where I'm stressing the car's driving characteristics, so I might even appreciate the softer ride. HOWEVER, being in the USA and driving a HW4 MY, I've been an FSD user since April, 2004 (Autopilot was my gateway driver before FSD) and am now a total addict. I don't think I would enjoy suffering the withdrawal symptoms were I faced with having to drive sans FSD for any distance. I own a little (well, for me a lot, but most would say a little) $TSLA, so yes, I am biased, but frankly, I love Perl (my model Y) and intend on taking her just about everywhere I go from now until, well, ever, unless $TSLA goes to 2700 USD and I buy a more advanced model, maybe even a cybertruck to tweak the wife's nose (she thinks that the CT is ugly, no accounting for taste, but then, she married me ...)
@ just remember, when you get it there, if it is still “supervised” you really still need to supervise it. It isn’t smart, it seems to literally currently be an incredibly complex set of reflexes that mimic good driving pretty well, but you are smarter than it is and staying aware of the road ahead and the traffic all around you will keep you safer on the road than FSD 12.5.6.3 could make you. Maybe a not to distant release will do better than us apes, but we are not there yet.
Public charging is really a matter of location, location, location. For me, Tesla would be no good as the only chargers within 50 miles are on a piece of waste ground and in the departures area of the Channel Tunnel. However, I pay 43p for Ionity with a monthly fee of £4.99 .. and I drive by them every day. In 3 years driving EV, I have never, ever paid 79p or anything near it. I enjoy your videos and the information ... but I just wouldn't have a Tesla 🤭
@@jeremydavies4620 That is with the Ionity Passport. I have Renault mobilize RFID that cost less at £4.99 a month (in the UK) and, gives 9% discount at other dispensers
I have a Kona and do about 1600 miles a month. I've subscribed to the Tesla charging service. Charging is a total non-issue. The Max charging rate is just under 100kW and I get all my charging fine whilst stopping for the toilet or a coffee. I used Gridserve a couple of times when they had a 20% discount. It was great. Im sure economics will bring their prices down eventually. Until then, I'll keep using Teska.
I rented a polestar 2 recently too at Bristol Airport. I charged only at a tesla destination charger and then at an instavolt back at the airport. I wasn't a fan. The superchargers are heavily subsidised though that's why they're selling us power below cost. I paid £25 a day for the rental from dollar. Having owned a tesla and rented a polestar the Škoda I now have is the best of the 3 😎 The screen didn't lag on the one I had though.
@justgetatesla by tesla. Cross subsidy, it's what big vertically integrated companies do. You take some of the 20% profit margin on car sales and use it to price below cost of operating the superchargers. Gridserve etc don't have any other business so they can't follow. Tesla eventually wins and destroys the competition. Classic strategy.
But that isn't subsidised - they aren't making a loss vending the electricity. When Aldi sell products cheaper than Tesco because they operate on lower profit margins, is that "subsidised"?
@@justgetatesla there's no profit margin for the others they're operating at a huge loss. Tesla uses the profit from selling cars and from selling carbon credits to other car companies to cover the losses of operating the superchargers and they try to build market share by pricing the chargers way below cost. That's just the way big vertically integrated companies build dominance. The supermarket analogy isn't a good one because all the supermarkets are roughly the same. If aldi had another business that was generating big profits and used that to undercut other supermarkets then that would be a good comparison. But they don't. No charge point operators are making a profit right now. Tesla is pricing lower to win market share. They've got money from the rest of their business to do that. No one else can touch them as they haven't got the funds. Shell and BP could but I don't think they're serious about ev charging.
How is the polestar equivalent of basic autopilot? (I mean compared to the UK version to be clear) How’s the screen compared to the intel Teslas? (Which I personally don’t find bad but curious to know how the polestar compares as you said its poor) Edit: Ah I jumped the gun you did cover that. Tesla basic autopilot was a bit unnerving for me at first but it does work really well. Curvature assist is great although a bit unsafe if a human driver is behind you as they wont expect a human to slow down they’d expect you to just turn the wheel more
Aren’t the majority of Tesla super chargers open now to the public? I know it’s still more expensive than our Tesla rate but it is cheaper than the competition
If you wanted less expensive charging why did you not just drive to a Tesla Supercharger (open to all). Wouldn't you then pay the same as you do in your Tesla? What am I not understanding?
@@byxf3pdrve Not good if you are paying more, certainly. Although it is still less than you would be paying at most other charging stations. It makes good business sense though. It is Tesla after all which is making the capital investment to develop the Supercharger network, and it would be surprising if it did not give preference to drivers of its own cars. It could have chosen to keep the Superchargers Tesla only. But that would not be in line with the company's stated mission of promoting the development of electric transport. It is a useful source of revenue, while providing a public service.
Tesla cars are nice enough, nothing special apart from the tech, but its the whole ecosystem that makes it a better overall package. Also unfair to say ionity / gridserve etc are fleecing you, it costs an absolute fortune to install and maintain them, ensure they work with all cars and remember they cant subsidise them like tesla.
How is that subsiding them? Again, they operate with vertical integration and lower margin requirements on charging. It doesn’t cost an absolute fortune to install and maintain them - they build the same unit in vast numbers and install lots of them on the same site - which dramatically cuts overhead costs per unit. I can explain this to you in more detail if you like, it’s called “maths”
16:42 there is a Tesla Model Y charging at the Gridserve paying 79 p / kwh instead of navigating to the nearest SC and paying half. Goes to show you a lot of education is still needed or people are just oblivious.
Probably a company car driver with an EV’fuel’ card who doesn’t care where they charge as they aren’t the one paying. I have a car allowance and have a Model Y I drive 20k miles a year but pay for for own charging, I avoid non Tesla charges like the plague
Tesla may be good engineering wise and their charge network may the best, BUT I want I good looking car with interior that isn't bland ...... Tesla, not for me.
Pay extra for your frills, I don’t care about that - if that is what you want to spend your money on. I didn’t buy a Tesla, for several reasons. Mine likely cost more but it suited my requirements at the time. Supercharger charging, opening up to all, has been a benefit - but I’ve yet to charge at one…
And looks are subjective. People pay top dollah for vastly-grilled Audi and BMW EVs which I think look as awful as their fuel equivalents. To say nothing about the cost cutting to their interiors. And I'm saying that as an ex BMW driver
I wonder what your total driving costs, including hire would have been if you had hired a reasonably fuel-efficient petrol or diesel? You'd have only needed two fuel stops too, if you include the top up to return
Tesla still my number 1 choice IF I move away from my petrol car. 80% of my driving would be on home charging, Charge cost's (including home providers putting up rates) once BEV's are more common is my main worry. Here in NZ BEV sales are now VERY low as government have introduced Road User Charges at a rate of (I think) $76 per 1000km's which is the same as diesel drivers pay. Petrol drivers pay their fuel tax at the pump, this fact has always made diesel less attractive and is having the same effect on BEV's. The government quite rightly say car drivers need to pay their share to maintain the road network.
@@casperhansen826 let's start with EV drivers paying their share of maintaining the road network. All cars pollute, if you really want to solve the problem we should just travel less. Poor people don't go far, the wealthy pollute more.
Mine, once it has ‘repaid’ the slightly extra manufacturing ‘pollution‘ cost, will be virtually free of pollution, other than tyre wear. Mostly already charged on renewables during off-peak hours. Some on solar. Rarely charged during the day at public chargers. Most road wear is not by cars until the road surface has already been degraded by either HGVs or the weather. Most government taxes on motorists are spent elsewhere, not on the roads.
@@oliver90owner All those renewables have an environmental and pollution cost too. Trucks do wear out roads, but they pay a significantly higher cost to use those roads than car drivers, they also provide an essential service, we literally can't do without them. The fashion in the BEV market is to take cars on shortish leases and keep changing them, how they do long term in the second-hand market and what they consume to keep them on the road will dictate overall impact on the environment and we simply don't know the answer to that yet.
@@DaveG7920 Yes we do. Cars are over 95% recyclable. Batteries are often re-usable. The next generation of electric cars won’t need much mined materials, as more recycled components become available. Get used to it. If you are a new vehicle purchaser, you will have to change in 5 years time. Most cars on the roads, these days, are second(or more)hand? Nothing will change. I expect EVs will have a potential longer life than most ICE vehicles have had in the past. Batteries will become cheaper and easier to replace. Progress in action.
Undoubtedly as things stand, if one is to consider buying an EV, Tesla is undoubtedly the premier brand in virtually every respect. As an aside, UK is the most expensive country in the developed world for electricity and by al ccounts it is going to get more expensive. So what is UK doing that is so impractical?
Ian, here's the cynic in me.....Public chargers set their rates (often) on the 'advertised' speed of the connection you use....so if you hook up on a slow charging car, you get one rate, and if you hook up on a faster (advertised) charging car you pay a higher rate, lets just suppose the car hooks up at an advertised 150kw, the charge stand sets the rate for a 150kw car then delivers 47kwh.....You've paid for the higher rate, but only recieved the slower rate.... That would be scandalous wouldn't it, no-one would surely set the chargers in their favour would they ?.........
The truth is, the Tesla infrastructure is superior. I don't think anyone in their right mind would think that the Tesla interior is anything other than tripe. If you drive a lot of miles, then it's worth getting a Tesla, if you drive less are can charge at home, get an ionic 5, or a Kia, they're much better cars.
"Better" is subjective. And I love Hyundai and have had many of them over the years - including the petrol snotter out the window as I type this! But Tesla is superior in every way
And this is why, no matter how much politicians and environmentalists stamp their feet, 100% BEV will never happen. Too many people will refuse to put up with the frilly pants experience. My prediction that ZEVM's would result in at least one major manufacturer shutting or severely cutting back European production by the end of the decade is already looking 5 years too optimistic. My next prediction is one of the biggest growth industries over the next several yrars will be ICE engine rebuilding.
Do not worry - the frilly pants chargers will be long gone, replaced by ones fit for purpose. The EV transition continues to gather unstoppable momentum...
Welldone you set out to trash the Polestar and achieved it, you could have used your Tesla App to charge for your trip and why did you not at the Airport JUST GET A TESLA👇
Hi. 1. No supercharger anywhere near Bournemouth. 2. I used the only open to all SC that was on my route 3. The airport supercharger is Tesla only. Think before you type love
My ioniq 5 Namsan is better than a Tesla, charges faster 240k and it can use tesla superchargers. It’s got way more kit and it rides better! It also looks way better 👍
Hyundai do make decent EVs that is for sure. It doesn't charge anywhere near that speed on a tesla supercharger as they are not 800V. So you can have quicker chartering speed but they are less efficient to run. I expect similar range for time to charge as a new Tesla.
Ugly? It’s not a beauty contest, it’s a car. Beauty, they say, is only skin deep. When the V4s are (shortly) upgraded, to suit 800V architecture, they will charge fine.
Glad you like your car glideman! Looks are subjective, though I think the Ioniq5 is cool retro. 6 looks like it melted though When you say "charges faster" that isn't true is it in the real world? Most public chargers are slower than superchargers, and charge rates are poor
Only had my Tesla for a few months after having an e208. Bottom line the Tesla Supercharger system just works. And for me that convinces me.
I have never doubted my decision to buy a Tesla and videos like this prove my decision was correct
I have extensively used non-Tesla chargers with my Tesla Model 3 in France and UK and very rarely ever have any problem getting decent speeds. The only issue I have on occasion is persuading the Tesla to pre-heat the battery for non-Tesla chargers, sometimes it does it OK but other times you have to enter in a nearby Tesla SC to get it to work. The issue with this can be that there may not be a nearby Tesla SC, which is why you're using the third party charger... The only exception to this is MFG chargers which I've never got above 120kW with. So I would say that if you're having problems it's the fault of the polestar and not the chargers! Why not use Tesla? Well in France they are often in retail parks or hotel car parks off the autoroute, rather than in the service stations which is less convenient on a long trip. They also often don't have canopies, and the price differential between Tesla and non-Tesla is less in France vs UK. In the UK there are parts of the road network (eg A1 north of Ferrybridge) that only have old, power sharing, busy Tesla SC's that are best avoided. Of course I usually use Tesla because the charging experience and price is way better, but I'm also very happy that there is an extensive third party network to fall back on!
I've had 2 tesla company cars, currently have a BMW i4 M50 and went on a long trip with my mate on an Ionic 5. Charging on the public chargers was an awful experience (his was better than mine to be fair but not by much) we're both going back to tesla for our next cars.
Friend of mine has the same car I have rented twice. He avoids long trips because of charging...
And yet I drove mine to Malaga and back using an Electroverse RFID with absolutely 0 issues? I also use Tesla chargers (Trentham mainly) never had an issue there. I've always had BMW's. M5, M6, M4, the M50 still feels like home for me.
Good on you for producing this Ian. Not a Tesla car owner, but I can only agree with the underlying message - why would anyone that is unable to charge at home use any charger network other than the Tesla open-to-all network? Off-peak without a membership, I'm paying 30p/KWh less than the "mainstream" gouging networks (and 45p/KWh less than Instavolt!)
I have a Skoda Enyaq, and on two occasions all the car sounds went to maximum volume, fortunately they seemed to of cured it, as it hasn’t happened lately
I got a cheap Polestar rental at Gatwick last Christmas. Booked the cheapest car they had (a Corsa i think) and asked "Do you still have those Polestars?" when i picked it up. The guy at Hertz gave me the Polestar "upgrade" for free and seemed quite happy about it. I got the feeling he expected to have more luck renting out the Corsa than the Polestar. 55 quid for 3 days
We really liked our Nexus 7's. They were great little tablets
It was a great tablet! A decade ago ;)
I loved seeing you with phone in one hand and charge cable in the other, unlock the charge port door, then pause a moment while it didn’t open under its own power 😂
Hi Ian, another realistic and informative video. As I have said before, Tesla make EV's, legacy make electric cars. There is a difference and the Supercharger network is the icing on the cake. I wouldn't go back to an ice car for any money now and I wouldn't consider any other make than Tesla either.
I do most charging at home and my previous EV an E Niro was great, when the rates were sub 50p per kWh. When the rates went up, I decided to get a Tesla and part of the decision was the supercharger network and half price charging. On top of that I have had my Tesla Model 3 RWD Highland now for almost 9 months and absolutely love it. Suspension is far better and recent software updates have made the curvature assist work better, so the autopilot is better on more and more sections of road. I have now added the S3XY Knob and commander, bought when it was a third off!
The added features are nice to have, change lane and reengage autopilot, flash LED strip when NAG for moving the wheel, Part or long pulls on certain door handles to open frunk or charge port. For non highland it also adds many of the features that I already have!
As you say Just Get A Tesla!
Hold on though,a lot of Tesla sites are now public access in the UK so available to other makes
Yes but they are more expensive if you plug in something other than a Tesla (I think)
@DaveG7920 they are still cheap and you can also purchase a pass to make them cheaper.Both cost less than using other charging services.
@@kash748 But still more expensive than charging a Tesla at them?
@@DaveG7920 yes but not by much which is great for other makes.I have a Volvo EV and use superchargers whenever I need to charge on the road.
I actually think the price is the same per kWh if you pay the monthly fee.
However, the experience is very different!
Tesla: You press the button, plug in and walk away, come back when your phone says it's about full, press the button and unplug.
Non tesla: You open the app, find the charger in the app, maybe use a QR code, confirm your purchase, remove the plug covers, plug in, check that it is starting to charge, walk away. Admitted that I don't have the experience so it might not be 100% correct, you may see how much you have added and eventually walk back to check if it's okay now, then stop the charging and unplug and cover the plugs again
The Polestar 2 doesn't pre heat the battery whereas that Enyaq would have pre conditioned either if the sat nav had been navigating to the supercharger or if the driver pushed the button on screen to pre heat the battery.
Fair play on 10k subs. Great video.
I get on well with non-Tesla charging networks. I usually filter for the more reliable ones, like MFG, Gridserve, and Shell Recharge. Combined, they offer much greater coverage than Tesla chargers
Is Shell reliable now? Used to be greenwash - 85p / kWh and broken at practically every charger I checked
I’m a model Y owner and have to use GRIDSERVE once a week and the prices are a rip off. The only positive is that they seam to be upgrading and expanding all their sites so that’s a positive I guess.
I’ve also never had an issue starting a charge with the GRIDSERVE units so it’s got to be a car issue.
It was a car issue - needed to hold the plug and apply pressure upwards
Tesla superchargers are the gold standard. Prices are the best. All others cost more to charge. Although Ionity with membership it is down to 43p which is very competitive to tesla with membership even beating it in some it at peak times.
Great video. I'm due to get a Mercedes EQA in just over a week, and plan to get the Tesla membership for the charging network. Interestingly, several of my colleagues have got the Polestar on order.
We have a Polestar 2. Great car that suits our needs and for most of the time we charge at home. When going on a road trip I look for convenient and reliable charging places that have multiple chargers so to avoid queuing. Depending on how much we think we will be charging we buy a months subscription and the best one for Polestar seems to be the Plugsurfing at £11.99 to get 30% off Tesla, IONITY and Fastned which suits us. The difference is Tesla peace of mind vs others having to plan a bit ahead. GRIDSERVE (with 5% discount for the foreseeable future) and Sainsbury Smartcharge seem reliable but 75p rate and so we avoid InstaVolt and BP or Shell at 85p rate plus… That’s our choice and each to his/her own choice - Tesla or other.
Absolutely! Not everyone thinks the same way!
9:38 "How can I put it? ... It's not good, it's not good..." LOL
I was speaking with Sixt in Sandefjord airport, Norway. Right now rental cars are the last refuge of the brand new petrol / diesel car in Norway. Hire companies still buy them because their customers know how to use them.
Next year all their cars will be electric. The Sixt rep was dismayed. The hire companies have no bulk charging facilities at their car parks, and they require all customer to return the cars with a minimum charge otherwise customers get landed a big fee + rip off price per kWh. It’s disappointing that they’ve made no preparations for all electric at their pickup/ dropoff (despite years of notice) and I suspect there’s going to be a lot of frustrated customers.
I’ve had my dramas in Tromso last year, and I was dealing with other tourists who also had similar dramas. There’s still a lot of leg work needed to make charging as simple as filling with petrol and paying with your debit card.
All true. At least Gatwick has the electric forecourt so that charging before return is faff free
the low daily rate on that Polestar somewhat mitigates the high cost of the non-tesla charging networks. I'm a bit shorter than you, so I might not mind the "cramped" cabin. And I rarely get into a situation where I'm stressing the car's driving characteristics, so I might even appreciate the softer ride. HOWEVER, being in the USA and driving a HW4 MY, I've been an FSD user since April, 2004 (Autopilot was my gateway driver before FSD) and am now a total addict. I don't think I would enjoy suffering the withdrawal symptoms were I faced with having to drive sans FSD for any distance. I own a little (well, for me a lot, but most would say a little) $TSLA, so yes, I am biased, but frankly, I love Perl (my model Y) and intend on taking her just about everywhere I go from now until, well, ever, unless $TSLA goes to 2700 USD and I buy a more advanced model, maybe even a cybertruck to tweak the wife's nose (she thinks that the CT is ugly, no accounting for taste, but then, she married me ...)
Lucky you, being able to use FSD! Fingers crossed that it will eventually be allowed in Europe. And good move buying $TSLA btw🙂
@ just remember, when you get it there, if it is still “supervised” you really still need to supervise it. It isn’t smart, it seems to literally currently be an incredibly complex set of reflexes that mimic good driving pretty well, but you are smarter than it is and staying aware of the road ahead and the traffic all around you will keep you safer on the road than FSD 12.5.6.3 could make you. Maybe a not to distant release will do better than us apes, but we are not there yet.
@@slowercuber7767 No, it is still some way from complete autonomy, but the rate of improvement is encouraging.
Supercharged in Edinburgh a day or two back and I think it was 37 or 38p per kW/h
Public charging is really a matter of location, location, location. For me, Tesla would be no good as the only chargers within 50 miles are on a piece of waste ground and in the departures area of the Channel Tunnel. However, I pay 43p for Ionity with a monthly fee of £4.99 .. and I drive by them every day. In 3 years driving EV, I have never, ever paid 79p or anything near it. I enjoy your videos and the information ... but I just wouldn't have a Tesla 🤭
In the UK the monthly cost for Ionity to get 43p is £10.50 per month.
@@jeremydavies4620 That is with the Ionity Passport. I have Renault mobilize RFID that cost less at £4.99 a month (in the UK) and, gives 9% discount at other dispensers
Great video 👍👍
I have a Kona and do about 1600 miles a month. I've subscribed to the Tesla charging service. Charging is a total non-issue. The Max charging rate is just under 100kW and I get all my charging fine whilst stopping for the toilet or a coffee.
I used Gridserve a couple of times when they had a 20% discount. It was great. Im sure economics will bring their prices down eventually. Until then, I'll keep using Teska.
Gridserve prices are crazy. But so are most of the networks
I rented a polestar 2 recently too at Bristol Airport. I charged only at a tesla destination charger and then at an instavolt back at the airport. I wasn't a fan. The superchargers are heavily subsidised though that's why they're selling us power below cost. I paid £25 a day for the rental from dollar.
Having owned a tesla and rented a polestar the
Škoda I now have is the best of the 3 😎 The screen didn't lag on the one I had though.
UK Superchargers are subsidised? By whom?
@justgetatesla by tesla. Cross subsidy, it's what big vertically integrated companies do. You take some of the 20% profit margin on car sales and use it to price below cost of operating the superchargers. Gridserve etc don't have any other business so they can't follow. Tesla eventually wins and destroys the competition. Classic strategy.
But that isn't subsidised - they aren't making a loss vending the electricity. When Aldi sell products cheaper than Tesco because they operate on lower profit margins, is that "subsidised"?
@@justgetatesla there's no profit margin for the others they're operating at a huge loss. Tesla uses the profit from selling cars and from selling carbon credits to other car companies to cover the losses of operating the superchargers and they try to build market share by pricing the chargers way below cost. That's just the way big vertically integrated companies build dominance. The supermarket analogy isn't a good one because all the supermarkets are roughly the same. If aldi had another business that was generating big profits and used that to undercut other supermarkets then that would be a good comparison. But they don't.
No charge point operators are making a profit right now. Tesla is pricing lower to win market share. They've got money from the rest of their business to do that. No one else can touch them as they haven't got the funds. Shell and BP could but I don't think they're serious about ev charging.
How is the polestar equivalent of basic autopilot? (I mean compared to the UK version to be clear)
How’s the screen compared to the intel Teslas? (Which I personally don’t find bad but curious to know how the polestar compares as you said its poor)
Edit: Ah I jumped the gun you did cover that. Tesla basic autopilot was a bit unnerving for me at first but it does work really well. Curvature assist is great although a bit unsafe if a human driver is behind you as they wont expect a human to slow down they’d expect you to just turn the wheel more
Aren’t the majority of Tesla super chargers open now to the public? I know it’s still more expensive than our Tesla rate but it is cheaper than the competition
Most are Tesla exclusive
If you wanted less expensive charging why did you not just drive to a Tesla Supercharger (open to all). Wouldn't you then pay the same as you do in your Tesla? What am I not understanding?
Non-Tesla drivers pay more to use Superchargers.
@@nicholastongue85 Oh. That's not good
@@byxf3pdrve Not good if you are paying more, certainly. Although it is still less than you would be paying at most other charging stations. It makes good business sense though. It is Tesla after all which is making the capital investment to develop the Supercharger network, and it would be surprising if it did not give preference to drivers of its own cars. It could have chosen to keep the Superchargers Tesla only. But that would not be in line with the company's stated mission of promoting the development of electric transport. It is a useful source of revenue, while providing a public service.
@@byxf3pdrvei think it is. And yes a drive a Tesla and so could others and enjoy carefree super easy charging.
I think it is good - certainly a great deal less than some of the oil company chargers that gouge all EV drivers.
Tesla cars are nice enough, nothing special apart from the tech, but its the whole ecosystem that makes it a better overall package. Also unfair to say ionity / gridserve etc are fleecing you, it costs an absolute fortune to install and maintain them, ensure they work with all cars and remember they cant subsidise them like tesla.
Tesla don’t subsidise them. I keep reading this. Are Aldi “subsidising” food by selling it at lower operating cost than Tesco?
@ you really think that tesla don’t use any of their car profits to design, install and look after their superchargers?
How is that subsiding them? Again, they operate with vertical integration and lower margin requirements on charging. It doesn’t cost an absolute fortune to install and maintain them - they build the same unit in vast numbers and install lots of them on the same site - which dramatically cuts overhead costs per unit.
I can explain this to you in more detail if you like, it’s called “maths”
16:42 there is a Tesla Model Y charging at the Gridserve paying 79 p / kwh instead of navigating to the nearest SC and paying half. Goes to show you a lot of education is still needed or people are just oblivious.
Probably a company car driver with an EV’fuel’ card who doesn’t care where they charge as they aren’t the one paying. I have a car allowance and have a Model Y I drive 20k miles a year but pay for for own charging, I avoid non Tesla charges like the plague
And why does every other EV have a daft rubber plug in the DC pins of the CCS socket?
Tesla may be good engineering wise and their charge network may the best, BUT I want I good looking car with interior that isn't bland ...... Tesla, not for me.
Pay extra for your frills, I don’t care about that - if that is what you want to spend your money on. I didn’t buy a Tesla, for several reasons. Mine likely cost more but it suited my requirements at the time. Supercharger charging, opening up to all, has been a benefit - but I’ve yet to charge at one…
The minimalist interior was one of the reasons for me to go with the Tesla over a Polestar 2 RWD, BMW i4 and Mercedes EQB. Love the simplicity.
And looks are subjective. People pay top dollah for vastly-grilled Audi and BMW EVs which I think look as awful as their fuel equivalents. To say nothing about the cost cutting to their interiors. And I'm saying that as an ex BMW driver
lol, poor taste and paying for it
I wonder what your total driving costs, including hire would have been if you had hired a reasonably fuel-efficient petrol or diesel? You'd have only needed two fuel stops too, if you include the top up to return
Total cost is similar to a fuel bill based on previous experience. Public charging is very expensive!!!
£21 per day hire cost 😮
for the infrastructure alone any non tesla ev decision is sub optimal
I want a bloody Tesla but cant afford one 🤬
I was in the same boat for years!
Tesla still my number 1 choice IF I move away from my petrol car.
80% of my driving would be on home charging, Charge cost's (including home providers putting up rates) once BEV's are more common is my main worry.
Here in NZ BEV sales are now VERY low as government have introduced Road User Charges at a rate of (I think) $76 per 1000km's which is the same as diesel drivers pay. Petrol drivers pay their fuel tax at the pump, this fact has always made diesel less attractive and is having the same effect on BEV's. The government quite rightly say car drivers need to pay their share to maintain the road network.
It would also be great if the ICE drivers paid for their share of the effect of their pollution
@@casperhansen826 let's start with EV drivers paying their share of maintaining the road network.
All cars pollute, if you really want to solve the problem we should just travel less.
Poor people don't go far, the wealthy pollute more.
Mine, once it has ‘repaid’ the slightly extra manufacturing ‘pollution‘ cost, will be virtually free of pollution, other than tyre wear. Mostly already charged on renewables during off-peak hours. Some on solar. Rarely charged during the day at public chargers. Most road wear is not by cars until the road surface has already been degraded by either HGVs or the weather. Most government taxes on motorists are spent elsewhere, not on the roads.
@@oliver90owner All those renewables have an environmental and pollution cost too. Trucks do wear out roads, but they pay a significantly higher cost to use those roads than car drivers, they also provide an essential service, we literally can't do without them.
The fashion in the BEV market is to take cars on shortish leases and keep changing them, how they do long term in the second-hand market and what they consume to keep them on the road will dictate overall impact on the environment and we simply don't know the answer to that yet.
@@DaveG7920 Yes we do. Cars are over 95% recyclable. Batteries are often re-usable. The next generation of electric cars won’t need much mined materials, as more recycled components become available. Get used to it. If you are a new vehicle purchaser, you will have to change in 5 years time.
Most cars on the roads, these days, are second(or more)hand? Nothing will change. I expect EVs will have a potential longer life than most ICE vehicles have had in the past. Batteries will become cheaper and easier to replace. Progress in action.
Undoubtedly as things stand, if one is to consider buying an EV, Tesla is undoubtedly the premier brand in virtually every respect. As an aside, UK is the most expensive country in the developed world for electricity and by al ccounts it is going to get more expensive. So what is UK doing that is so impractical?
how much do tesla pay u to slag of other ev ?
I don’t mind the car at all. I mind the public chargers.
oh dear jason
@@justgetatesla i have never had any problem with public chargers yeh they ant cheap but only 2times a year i use them so not a problem at all
Great! If you only use them twice a year then it doesn’t matter what they cost!
Ian, here's the cynic in me.....Public chargers set their rates (often) on the 'advertised' speed of the connection you use....so if you hook up on a slow charging car, you get one rate, and if you hook up on a faster (advertised) charging car you pay a higher rate, lets just suppose the car hooks up at an advertised 150kw, the charge stand sets the rate for a 150kw car then delivers 47kwh.....You've paid for the higher rate, but only recieved the slower rate.... That would be scandalous wouldn't it, no-one would surely set the chargers in their favour would they ?.........
Sometimes a slow charge is the connection. Disconnect and try another pump
21:10 You said it correctly but your sub text is wrong
The truth is, the Tesla infrastructure is superior. I don't think anyone in their right mind would think that the Tesla interior is anything other than tripe.
If you drive a lot of miles, then it's worth getting a Tesla, if you drive less are can charge at home, get an ionic 5, or a Kia, they're much better cars.
"Better" is subjective. And I love Hyundai and have had many of them over the years - including the petrol snotter out the window as I type this! But Tesla is superior in every way
Tesla Autopilot crashed my Model Y in to a traffic island - destroyed 2 tires - don't trust it.
how can anyone afford 80 /85 pence kwh its pathetic
Where is this mythical, fairly good public charging? Not in North Wales, I can tell you.
And this is why, no matter how much politicians and environmentalists stamp their feet, 100% BEV will never happen. Too many people will refuse to put up with the frilly pants experience. My prediction that ZEVM's would result in at least one major manufacturer shutting or severely cutting back European production by the end of the decade is already looking 5 years too optimistic. My next prediction is one of the biggest growth industries over the next several yrars will be ICE engine rebuilding.
Do not worry - the frilly pants chargers will be long gone, replaced by ones fit for purpose. The EV transition continues to gather unstoppable momentum...
good job your not putting your money where your mouth is…… I predict 😅
Welldone you set out to trash the Polestar and achieved it, you could have used your Tesla App to charge for your trip and why did you not at the Airport JUST GET A TESLA👇
Hi. 1. No supercharger anywhere near Bournemouth. 2. I used the only open to all SC that was on my route 3. The airport supercharger is Tesla only.
Think before you type love
ouch mr wilson not a happy camper. Sometimes the gap between tesla and other marques is painful
My ioniq 5 Namsan is better than a Tesla, charges faster 240k and it can use tesla superchargers. It’s got way more kit and it rides better! It also looks way better 👍
Hyundai do make decent EVs that is for sure.
It doesn't charge anywhere near that speed on a tesla supercharger as they are not 800V.
So you can have quicker chartering speed but they are less efficient to run. I expect similar range for time to charge as a new Tesla.
Ioniq 5 is Marmite. They're good cars but I find them very ugly, for example. Great that you enjoy yours though!
Ugly? It’s not a beauty contest, it’s a car. Beauty, they say, is only skin deep. When the V4s are (shortly) upgraded, to suit 800V architecture, they will charge fine.
Does it compare with Tesla software and updates? If you’re talking EVs then you’re talking software not hardware or even batteries.
Glad you like your car glideman! Looks are subjective, though I think the Ioniq5 is cool retro. 6 looks like it melted though
When you say "charges faster" that isn't true is it in the real world? Most public chargers are slower than superchargers, and charge rates are poor