The comments on here are ignorant as hell. KTM is partnered with CFmoto and they own a manufacturing plant together in China that makes KTM/CF moto engines. The bike was designed by Kiska, hugely popular European design firm that also designs bikes for other brands. 99% of motorcycles have made in China conponents, so what? They have some of the best manufacturing plants and capabilities whether you like it or not. The issue is when you dumbases buy dirt cheap products from China, ofcourse you'll get trash in return, that's regardless of country of origin. This isn't an offroad bike like a T7, its a touring bike that can do some fire roads and gravel roads. If youre good enough, probably some tech stuff too. I dont understand why that concept is so difficult to grasp.
There is a big difference between made in China and developed in China. You can’t expect a new brand to roll with the big brands with a century of experience. It’s not like ktm said: “hey here is all our tech data enjoy”! BUT: The price for such a bike you really can’t complain indeed
I think the name clearly indicates its design purpose..... Its a "touring" bike that can handle any paved road regardless of surface conditions and it will handle dirt roads and fire trails with ease. If you want a hardcore off road bike buy one that is designed for that.
Test rode one yesterday - Excellent looks/equipment and overall style. Throttle ridiculously sharp in Sport mode - as you say rain mode better but limits progress! Front dive on brakes and rear squat on acceleration not the best - but overall a plausible alternative to a mid range Beemer - just needs a throttle re map and some classy suspension fettling ! But at £9,200 - Bargain !!
@@kloppskalli That is true but then there is the top heaviness of carrying 300 miles worth of fuel… Both the GSA and Africa Twin AS suffer from that 😞 But to each his own👍 Cheers 🍻🍻
I watched a guy in Australia riding one off road in places clearly not designed for chasing his mate on a T7. He went everywhere the T7 went. As for locking the rear brake to turn... only on low speed single track do you do that so on most 'roads' the CFMOTO is fine. Switchable ABS would be great but this bike is more like a Vstrom than a KTM890 and the price reflects this. It will be interesting to see what they change on the next model.
with the good rider you can go on supersport offroad, or all around the world, that doesn´t mean that it is motorcycle right for every enviroment, you can do anything on anything, but its not the best choice or most comfortable one
Astute observation , I too have watched Australian riders taking this Bike in very remote locations with no bother at all, I've ridden a 1150 GS adv for 18 years, (In W.A. Thousands of km of dirt roads & tracks) & the CF'800 is going to be my next Bike, They are $16k ride away here, As ever, UK rip-off Britain pricing, Have a look at 'MAD-TV' & A guy called Clubby's analysis, He rides wild locations & gives good honest opinions, Good Luck Drew, 👍
well ... if it's not much use off road ya might as well save a grand and get the 'sport' version which still comes with the 3 piece aluminium luggage but lacks the bash plate, center stand and wire spoked wheels .. that would seem to be the better option
Yeah, but for my purposes of travelling some of our great gravel roads in New Zealand it will be perfect. Not off road tracks, just the multitude of gravel roads than wind through some beautiful countryside. To get to those roads, one also travels in comfort on the sealed roads!
@@travisj2370 That is a very fair point ... having checked out the spec list the Sport does indeed lack a lot of the creature comforts that touring includes. Best thing is they are ever cheaper now as CF Moto recently slashed their prices on the Sport and Touring due to them bringing in the top spec Explorer model!! Only £8,500 for Sport and £9,200 for the Touring now in the UK ... still with the nice luggage thrown in for free.
I did a fairly comprehensive review on this bike back in Rhodes in March (I believe the first UK/Ireland based review, if you want to look at it on my channel). Back then, the expected UK price was listed/stated as £9800, and apart from the brakes (which I actually thought were 'below standard'!) and an annoying fuelling issue, I thought it well worth the money at the time compared to the competition. Now though, since they put the price up £1300, then absolutely no way is it worth it, when compared to the competition from KTM, Triumph and BMW. Which is a pity, as I loved the handling hussling along the fabulous roads of Greece, but that was at £9800, and NOT the £11,100 that it is now.
if breaks and fuelling are substandard then the whole bike isnt worth buying. I donno who would spend 10 thousand of his hard earned for sumthing that's substandard - but then again i donno if I'd spend money again on a Tenere... horses for courses :))
Yes I saw your review and your wrong. The brakes…are actually very powerful but it needs a proper bedding in of the pads the way we used to and after that the brakes are as good as my 1250GS. The fuelling has been fixed - owners had an update some weeks ago. In Australia these are $14.4K and I reckon it’s easily worth $20k. I sold my 2020 BMW 1250GS for one.
Im not sure about this fact, but it sucks that luggage doesn’t come standard in my country. Not a single review has all 3 boxes even though my country produces a lot of reviews for this bike. One thing i like about this review is its thorough as heck. I have no use for first impression reviews of people reading the brochure while riding, but that’s the low standards we have in my country, so those kinds of videos are still glorified. Add a little bit of copy paste humor, and bam, you’ve got pretty much every other video posted by our reviewers. Theres a difference between not being able to state negatives because there are none and not being able to state any negatives because you’ve been: not riding enough Buttered up by the company Lack of research and care to make a review with substance. Mentioning the lack of remote preload adjustment already puts you above many of the reviews I’ve seen of this bike. Im not against my compatriots or anything, but the only decent reviews I found for this and CFMOTO in general are from the UK, Australia, and RevZilla.
What country are you from? I am seriously thinking of getting the 2023 Explore, where the issues of the earlier carnation have been addressed and, now also has more riding modes that can be turned on or off. Alas, even though it has the luggage framework included, New Zealand also does not include panniers or top box. Still, there is a lot of great features on the latest 2023 model for a very competitive price! Test riding one tomorrow. With all the positive reviews i have watched and read, I will probably be riding one home!
Had mine for a few months now & a great on road bike, thousands of $'s cheaper than the Tiger 900 GT Pro which I was looking at. Worth a test ride if you're thinking of a new bike, you maybe surprised.
Hmm, in Australia the Tour comes without the pannier set as standard but costs $14500 (8400 sterling) on the road. You can forgive a lot at that price point. But isn't this the same price as a regular 890 adventure in blighty? Panniers instead of the 890 bits and dealer network? Hmm.
I posted a video link here from the guy in Australia “onthebackwheel” channel which completely rebukes much of what is said here and shows the bike doing some challenging Offroad…not a stupid little green lane, and they removed it. I have one of these bikes and there is no speed wobble, it’s goes off road well and there are outback tour operators in Australia running these bikes in fleets with no problems.
Here's the reason you shouldn't buy this over a KTM: total cost of ownership will be much higher. The KTM will hold WAY MORE value than this, which will drop like a stone in value.
Way too expensive for a Chinese brand. Lacks dealer support. C F Moto UK need to step up their game on appointing a good dealer network. Will be reflected in second hand values.
12k for a Chinese bike what will be worth next to nothing after 3 years. That price bracket your in the tiger 800 / v-Strom / tracer 900 bracket. Ridiculous price cannot see many of those being sold in UK.
So it can't really go off road..and it's soft and yaws at motorway speeds - in that case I'd much rather have a GSX F 1000gt , it too can't really do off road, but hell it's good on the road at any speed !
You don't know a bike until you've put 100k Miles on it. It's easy to slap stuff together. Will it all hold up under stresses over a long duration? That's a totally different question, and there's only one way to find out.
@@simpletonballsack 😁 yes. When I put 100k miles on my BMW, I pretty much knew it all. I knew how long drive splines lasted, I knew if anything got corrosion, I knew how long a transmission could last, I knew how piston rings and cylinders wore, how the crank bearings held up, how much, if anything, ever went wrong with the carburetors, how well the wiring held up, .. and shocks+forks+springs, valves/seats, etc. Yes, I'd say that 100k miles is about right. You have a good idea of all things by then. 50k would not have been long enough. There isn't any good reason to not keep a bike going forever, unless it's just totalled.
I'm not sure if anybody really has to ride their hike that long in order to feel the chemical components of the exhaust released gas and feel the thickness of the pistons in their dreams, you know? Yeah I don't need ride it enoughbto know how long the left front signal light is gonna last and continue working!
Excellent review half decent bike with a few shortcomings which seems to suit 90% of riders if you can look past the badge 🙄. Biggest problem for me with all these style of machines filtering almost impossible and helmet buffeting makes me punch drunk after 20 minutes of motorway.
Sorry but how can it compete when it has a speed wobble, you can't go off road. Why get the touring with wire wheels as it can not do what it suggests. Overall.... I would say put your money on a well known Japanese brand.
speed wobble? can't go off road? what are you talking about? i It is a good bike. You have to adjust the springs and shocks first. The only thing I don't like is the fueling in sport mode in 1, 2 and 3 gear.
I now own one of these bikes…sold my 2020 GS 1250 and put the cash in the bank. CF Moto doesn’t have a speed wobble at all, and it goes off road very well and there are plenty of videos on YT. Check out the channel “onTheBackWheel” where this guy rides this in proper off road. Seriously the reviewer who did this is a complete clown….no idea.
Clearly you either have not had much experience off road or are a new rider. The CFMoto 800MT only gets wobbles at 140km+ with all panniers on the bike. Even then it's a rare occurrence and has a steering dampener. The manual covers the 140kmh+ issue. As for can't go off road go watch some Australian reviews and see your wrong.
Let's see a 100,000 Mile review. Some China products are ok, but I've never seen a quality engine from them, unless it's made under the supervision of a western corporation. I would not skimp to save a few G for a motorcycle. Edit: this is a year old. So, maybe more is known now. Chinese are probably learning + improving.
@@simpletonballsack A lot of BMW owners say otherwise. It used to be a prime example/measure of quality. People were not always as desirous as people today, always wanting the next model. To a much greater degree, people used to care more about taking care of things and how well things held up. It's relatively new for everything to be disposable.
Dude to get what this bike offers on a transalp you have to pay like 3k or more on extras, and still you lack some of the tech. I had honda, Yamaha, but cfmoto is killing it right now. Just wait 1 or 2 years. Every japanese dealer Will sell and offer services on cfmoto
@@404marc they both created a company in China and own half each of it, allowing both companies to share technologies and platforms. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Just come out and admit you don't like China, rather than commenting on the individual product or company
The comments on here are ignorant as hell. KTM is partnered with CFmoto and they own a manufacturing plant together in China that makes KTM/CF moto engines.
The bike was designed by Kiska, hugely popular European design firm that also designs bikes for other brands.
99% of motorcycles have made in China conponents, so what? They have some of the best manufacturing plants and capabilities whether you like it or not. The issue is when you dumbases buy dirt cheap products from China, ofcourse you'll get trash in return, that's regardless of country of origin.
This isn't an offroad bike like a T7, its a touring bike that can do some fire roads and gravel roads. If youre good enough, probably some tech stuff too. I dont understand why that concept is so difficult to grasp.
rant over :)
There is a big difference between made in China and developed in China.
You can’t expect a new brand to roll with the big brands with a century of experience. It’s not like ktm said: “hey here is all our tech data enjoy”!
BUT: The price for such a bike you really can’t complain indeed
I think the name clearly indicates its design purpose..... Its a "touring" bike that can handle any paved road regardless of surface conditions and it will handle dirt roads and fire trails with ease. If you want a hardcore off road bike buy one that is designed for that.
Test rode one yesterday - Excellent looks/equipment and overall style.
Throttle ridiculously sharp in Sport mode - as you say rain mode better but limits progress!
Front dive on brakes and rear squat on acceleration not the best - but overall a plausible alternative to a mid range Beemer - just needs a throttle re map and some classy suspension fettling !
But at £9,200 - Bargain !!
I saw one at a dealer. It was priced super reasonable and had every option so no aftermarket parts needed at least for me. I liked it.
Very few people want to sit on their bike for 300 miles without a break.
Coffee after 180 miles is just fine with me ☕️☕️
Thanks for your review 🙏
it depends ... you can have your coffee either anywhere you want or at a petrol station
@@kloppskalli That is true but then there is the top heaviness of carrying 300 miles worth of fuel…
Both the GSA and Africa Twin AS suffer from that 😞
But to each his own👍
Cheers
🍻🍻
It looks excellent value and a Four year warranty which is really good. 👍👏👏
"Will last a couple of winter's " quote.
I watched a guy in Australia riding one off road in places clearly not designed for chasing his mate on a T7. He went everywhere the T7 went. As for locking the rear brake to turn... only on low speed single track do you do that so on most 'roads' the CFMOTO is fine. Switchable ABS would be great but this bike is more like a Vstrom than a KTM890 and the price reflects this. It will be interesting to see what they change on the next model.
Could have been Curtis over at @OntheBackWheel 😂😂😂
with the good rider you can go on supersport offroad, or all around the world, that doesn´t mean that it is motorcycle right for every enviroment, you can do anything on anything, but its not the best choice or most comfortable one
Astute observation , I too have watched Australian riders taking this Bike in very remote locations with no bother at all,
I've ridden a 1150 GS adv for 18 years, (In W.A. Thousands of km of dirt roads & tracks) & the CF'800 is going to be my next Bike,
They are $16k ride away here, As ever, UK rip-off Britain pricing,
Have a look at 'MAD-TV' & A guy called Clubby's analysis, He rides wild locations & gives good honest opinions,
Good Luck Drew, 👍
4 Year Warranty is amazing, especially as KTM will only give out a 2 year on their models. I swear those are Vstrom XT gold wheels.
4 years is minimum with the long record of niggles of that engine
These are currently £9100 with luggage and 4 year warranty!
Are you over 6 ft ? Does it feel heavy when moving by foot ? Thanks 👍 .im 5'9" 32inch inseam..gonna sit on one tomorrow..
well ... if it's not much use off road ya might as well save a grand and get the 'sport' version which still comes with the 3 piece aluminium luggage but lacks the bash plate, center stand and wire spoked wheels .. that would seem to be the better option
Nah the sport has no heated seats and grips and things
Yeah, but for my purposes of travelling some of our great gravel roads in New Zealand it will be perfect. Not off road tracks, just the multitude of gravel roads than wind through some beautiful countryside. To get to those roads, one also travels in comfort on the sealed roads!
@@travisj2370 That is a very fair point ... having checked out the spec list the Sport does indeed lack a lot of the creature comforts that touring includes. Best thing is they are ever cheaper now as CF Moto recently slashed their prices on the Sport and Touring due to them bringing in the top spec Explorer model!! Only £8,500 for Sport and £9,200 for the Touring now in the UK ... still with the nice luggage thrown in for free.
I did a fairly comprehensive review on this bike back in Rhodes in March (I believe the first UK/Ireland based review, if you want to look at it on my channel). Back then, the expected UK price was listed/stated as £9800, and apart from the brakes (which I actually thought were 'below standard'!) and an annoying fuelling issue, I thought it well worth the money at the time compared to the competition. Now though, since they put the price up £1300, then absolutely no way is it worth it, when compared to the competition from KTM, Triumph and BMW. Which is a pity, as I loved the handling hussling along the fabulous roads of Greece, but that was at £9800, and NOT the £11,100 that it is now.
if breaks and fuelling are substandard then the whole bike isnt worth buying. I donno who would spend 10 thousand of his hard earned for sumthing that's substandard - but then again i donno if I'd spend money again on a Tenere... horses for courses
:))
Yes I saw your review and your wrong. The brakes…are actually very powerful but it needs a proper bedding in of the pads the way we used to and after that the brakes are as good as my 1250GS. The fuelling has been fixed - owners had an update some weeks ago. In Australia these are $14.4K and I reckon it’s easily worth $20k. I sold my 2020 BMW 1250GS for one.
Looks mint for the money .
Im not sure about this fact, but it sucks that luggage doesn’t come standard in my country. Not a single review has all 3 boxes even though my country produces a lot of reviews for this bike. One thing i like about this review is its thorough as heck. I have no use for first impression reviews of people reading the brochure while riding, but that’s the low standards we have in my country, so those kinds of videos are still glorified. Add a little bit of copy paste humor, and bam, you’ve got pretty much every other video posted by our reviewers.
Theres a difference between not being able to state negatives because there are none and not being able to state any negatives because you’ve been:
not riding enough
Buttered up by the company
Lack of research and care to make a review with substance.
Mentioning the lack of remote preload adjustment already puts you above many of the reviews I’ve seen of this bike. Im not against my compatriots or anything, but the only decent reviews I found for this and CFMOTO in general are from the UK, Australia, and RevZilla.
What country are you from? I am seriously thinking of getting the 2023 Explore, where the issues of the earlier carnation have been addressed and, now also has more riding modes that can be turned on or off. Alas, even though it has the luggage framework included, New Zealand also does not include panniers or top box. Still, there is a lot of great features on the latest 2023 model for a very competitive price! Test riding one tomorrow. With all the positive reviews i have watched and read, I will probably be riding one home!
Adjusting the shock looks like a nightmare - something that should be easy to do.
Absolutely love mine amazing bike for the money
Had mine for a few months now & a great on road bike, thousands of $'s cheaper than the Tiger 900 GT Pro which I was looking at.
Worth a test ride if you're thinking of a new bike, you maybe surprised.
is that engine without niggles by now..? I think I'd rather stick to my 7hundred or get a preloved GS if i really want moah powah :)
I got 365 klm on road and also 420 Max being very easy on the throttle.
Looks good but… but.. how reliable it is? And.. resale value? Brand trust? Only time will tell
they're pretty reliable.. they do fairly well in Asia
Hmm, in Australia the Tour comes without the pannier set as standard but costs $14500 (8400 sterling) on the road. You can forgive a lot at that price point. But isn't this the same price as a regular 890 adventure in blighty? Panniers instead of the 890 bits and dealer network? Hmm.
👍 the speed rs be getting a friend
I posted a video link here from the guy in Australia “onthebackwheel” channel which completely rebukes much of what is said here and shows the bike doing some challenging Offroad…not a stupid little green lane, and they removed it. I have one of these bikes and there is no speed wobble, it’s goes off road well and there are outback tour operators in Australia running these bikes in fleets with no problems.
Good onya m8,I've seen that vid,he canes it thru the mud n ruts n she handles it
Here's the reason you shouldn't buy this over a KTM: total cost of ownership will be much higher. The KTM will hold WAY MORE value than this, which will drop like a stone in value.
Any actual statistics?
This is true. It's the equivalent to a Skoda car.
So not as good a a v strom, but costs around the same!
It is less. You also get the 3 boxes, heated saddle and grips and more
the wind is killing me
Way too expensive for a Chinese brand. Lacks dealer support. C F Moto UK need to step up their game on appointing a good dealer network. Will be reflected in second hand values.
It's not about "chinese brand", it's about what they're offering.
8500 in EU
12k for a Chinese bike what will be worth next to nothing after 3 years. That price bracket your in the tiger 800 / v-Strom / tracer 900 bracket. Ridiculous price cannot see many of those being sold in UK.
So it can't really go off road..and it's soft and yaws at motorway speeds - in that case I'd much rather have a GSX F 1000gt , it too can't really do off road, but hell it's good on the road at any speed !
Don’t believe this muppet reviewer as he wouldn’t know off road if it jumped up and hit him……have a look at the channel On The Back Wheel
Its a nice looking bike
You don't know a bike until you've put 100k Miles on it. It's easy to slap stuff together. Will it all hold up under stresses over a long duration? That's a totally different question, and there's only one way to find out.
Really? 100k miles (160k km) to get to "know a bike"? No way. That would mean 99.9% of riders don't "know their bike".
@@simpletonballsack
😁 yes. When I put 100k miles on my BMW, I pretty much knew it all. I knew how long drive splines lasted, I knew if anything got corrosion, I knew how long a transmission could last, I knew how piston rings and cylinders wore, how the crank bearings held up, how much, if anything, ever went wrong with the carburetors, how well the wiring held up, .. and shocks+forks+springs, valves/seats, etc. Yes, I'd say that 100k miles is about right. You have a good idea of all things by then. 50k would not have been long enough.
There isn't any good reason to not keep a bike going forever, unless it's just totalled.
@@chadkline4268 We only disagree completely, but that's all fine 👍
I'm not sure if anybody really has to ride their hike that long in order to feel the chemical components of the exhaust released gas and feel the thickness of the pistons in their dreams, you know? Yeah I don't need ride it enoughbto know how long the left front signal light is gonna last and continue working!
Excellent review half decent bike with a few shortcomings which seems to suit 90% of riders if you can look past the badge 🙄. Biggest problem for me with all these style of machines filtering almost impossible and helmet buffeting makes me punch drunk after 20 minutes of motorway.
So change the clickers old mate
Sorry but how can it compete when it has a speed wobble, you can't go off road. Why get the touring with wire wheels as it can not do what it suggests. Overall.... I would say put your money on a well known Japanese brand.
? it needs a shock adjustment to get rid of that. It doesn't have a speed wobble defect
speed wobble? can't go off road? what are you talking about? i
It is a good bike. You have to adjust the springs and shocks first. The only thing I don't like is the fueling in sport mode in 1, 2 and 3 gear.
@@lungulet lol sounds like a new rider.
I now own one of these bikes…sold my 2020 GS 1250 and put the cash in the bank. CF Moto doesn’t have a speed wobble at all, and it goes off road very well and there are plenty of videos on YT. Check out the channel “onTheBackWheel” where this guy rides this in proper off road. Seriously the reviewer who did this is a complete clown….no idea.
Clearly you either have not had much experience off road or are a new rider. The CFMoto 800MT only gets wobbles at 140km+ with all panniers on the bike. Even then it's a rare occurrence and has a steering dampener. The manual covers the 140kmh+ issue. As for can't go off road go watch some Australian reviews and see your wrong.
"It feels solid, like, it will last a couple of winters"...not very encouraging.
Let's see a 100,000 Mile review.
Some China products are ok, but I've never seen a quality engine from them, unless it's made under the supervision of a western corporation. I would not skimp to save a few G for a motorcycle.
Edit: this is a year old. So, maybe more is known now. Chinese are probably learning + improving.
There’s a guy in Australia who’s done 61,000km on his in 12 months
It is a KTM engine.
They're partners with KTM and manufacture engines for them.
Again with the extremely high miles that virtually nobody ever puts on a bike.
@@simpletonballsack
A lot of BMW owners say otherwise. It used to be a prime example/measure of quality. People were not always as desirous as people today, always wanting the next model. To a much greater degree, people used to care more about taking care of things and how well things held up. It's relatively new for everything to be disposable.
It can be done on the fly
lol a Chinese bike being taken seriously and compared to anything Japanese is bananas!
Have you ridden one ?
Cartwright Terrace
Sauer Stream
Estell Falls
8000 euro in UE
Modes are not everything
Afaik this bike has no traction control.
230kg
10kg heavier than a KLR.
Gulp!
Bogisich Pine
CFMoto can try and pay as much as possible: NEVER get those Chinese bikes
Just say you hate Chinese people
😂😂😂👍
It's basically a KTM lol. They manufacture engines for KTM. The motorcycle itself was designed by Kiska, which also design KTM and other huge brands.
@@2WheelsGood.01 The "Chinese is crap" mentality is stuck in the past.
This has to be one of the most overpriced bikes on the market & it’s Chinese. Compared to new TransAlp and VStrom - virtually unsellable.
Dude to get what this bike offers on a transalp you have to pay like 3k or more on extras, and still you lack some of the tech.
I had honda, Yamaha, but cfmoto is killing it right now. Just wait 1 or 2 years. Every japanese dealer Will sell and offer services on cfmoto
Chinese bike? NO thanks.
buying a "copy" is rewarding mediocrity.
lol they are half owned by KTM, they make their engines and copy whatever they like
@@chrispekel5709 a partnership is not ownership....
@@404marc they both created a company in China and own half each of it, allowing both companies to share technologies and platforms. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Just come out and admit you don't like China, rather than commenting on the individual product or company
@@404marc you have to seperate the CCP and companies in china who aren't political at all