Are you mad at me?
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2024
- I've been receiving a lot of feedback that people are unhappy with our shift in focus toward using the ketogenic diet and metabolic therapies as a treatment for my schizoaffective disorder. In this video, I address and chat about some of those feelings and share more about why this is still an important project and could still apply to a large number of people.
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I have schizoaffective disorder and have watched and loved your videos for years. I take my meds, have been getting exercise, practicing good sleep habits, and doing zen meditation. My overall state has gotten better but I still have episodes. In fact I almost admitted myself to the ward a few days ago, it got so bad.
I'm interested in the keto content, but a lot of it is over my head... I also live on disability and only have $190 for the month after I pay rent. I simply can't afford the keto diet.
I have to admit that I skip through most of your recent videos because of the keto-centric aspect. Maybe you could sprinkle in some videos on other things that help you in-between the keto stuff. Imagine someone like me who takes meds, supplements, exercises, meditates, and writes/crafts, and still has crippling episodes. What do I do Lauren? Either way, I love your channel and have shared many of your videos to help educate my family. Thank you.❤
This girl is coo coo for cocoa puffs
I am not mad at you. Upload any content you like. I will always support you. You are a hero and model role to follow. I am talking about your courageous to talk about your mental disorder and give us some useful advice. You aren’t the only one who is suffering to schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder.
I advise you guys to follow Dr. Zakir Naik
Thank you!❤❤ you’re a pioneer for all of us! Thank you.
In my opinion, this channel is YOUR journey in dealing with YOUR mental health story. The fact you are sharing your journey with us is huge because it can show people one way to deal with their own mental health issues but if the person knows it won’t work for them, that’s totally fine. You have taught me a lot regarding the mental health world.
I advise you guys to follow Dr. Zakir Naik
You're here because you decided to share your life with us. This is part of your life. No, I'm not mad ❤
I advise you guys to follow Dr. Zakir Naik
My same thoughts. Her content is about her life. Very good point.
Agree
After a very severe psychotic episode that invoved weeks in hospital in 2022. I found your channel and the information was life saving. Medication helped with the positive symptoms, but I had 10 months of chronic negative symptoms with schizophrenia. And thought I just had to put up with them. That was 8 weeks ago now, your showing me a ketogenic therapies diet changed my life. I am now so much better. Thank you for leading the way. Please keep doing so and help others like me.
I’m so happy for you😊
Are you trying the ketogenic diet yourself ??? If so, maybe Lauren can have you come on a episode.
I’d love to hear more of what you’re doing.❤
Very happy for you and hope your health continues to improve.
oh wow, so interesting. As above, my question is how did you do it? do you also see a dietician or just started a basic keto diet? Much love x
This was an extraordinarily tricky video to make, but you absolutely aced it. Just wonderfully articulate. You should be a speechwriter.
My cousin committed suicide at the age of 19. He was diagnosed with schizophrenia when he was 14. The entire family watched him spiral and disappear into his illness. We are an extremely close family and the pain from his loss was immense. Your story is different as everyone’s is. However, never ever ever would I steal your joy from what I have witnessed recently here. I find it appalling that someone would be upset with you for digging in, doing the work, being scared, being skeptical, and producing your own amazing results. I’m sorry but that’s beyond me. Live your joy sister. I’m here for it all and make your joy be everlasting❤
I'm so sorry for your loss.
My condolences for your cousin. I'm sorry.
Beautiful message wish you healing of the heart soul and mind. Condolences
It is amazing to me that people would not feel inspired by this and think, "maybe if this works for someone else, it can work for others". Instead, they feel fear. But, then again, there are a lot of people here with mental illnesses that may affect their way of thinking.
@@Jaynieishere She has made it clear from the beginning of this trial w KETO..that results vary for EVERYONE. Her husband even joined for support and to SHOW that results WILL vary. I hope you find peace. ❤️
I'm personally thrilled to see how the diet has affected you. I don't have scitzophrenia. My mother and one of my close friends suffer from the condition. I'm happy to see you doing well, and finding things that work for you. It brings hope, I'm not mad.
I'm not crazy about the keto arc, but it's a part of your journey as per your choice and I accept this
Lauren,
I started watching your channel a little over a year ago. I was starting my nursing program and as part of the curriculum, we take a mental health class along with clinical rotation at a mental health clinic. I was having trouble understanding the chapter on schizophrenia so I came to RUclips hoping I would find some videos that would help me understand better. I found your video on extrapyramidal symptoms and hearing an explanation from you was a thousand times better than anything I could have read in my book. Ever since then I’ve been watching your channel and I enjoy your content so much. This keto journey you’ve embarked on is no exception. I am incredibly interested in seeing what other improvements you see in your life a year from now. Please keep making this content! It is interesting and educational, not to mention very relatable to so many people. Thank you for sharing your journey with all of your viewers! ❤
As someone who has been a mental health patient with psychotic symptoms, I want to thank you for seeking out lived experience expertise as part of your training. It means a lot to have someone willing to listen to and learn from those of us with firsthand knowledge, especially since our voices and concerns are often silenced. Thank you! ❤️
@@80islandiayes! That is exactly what I was attempting to do by searching for videos of people who have actually had these experiences. As you mentioned, sometimes I feel like patient’s voices are not heard enough, when they should be the primary source of information when making treatment choices. I think this channel provides a great source of information for both people living with schizoaffective disorder, and those who want to understand it so they can help patients, loved ones and friends.
I advise you guys to follow Dr. Zakir Naik
I think a lot of people who ended up here to learn more about schizophrenia and mental health may be like me and glaze over whenever anyone starts talking about their diets/exercise routine/home décor trends/sports, etc. Just because you have a curiosity for one topic doesn't meant it will transfer to another. While I wholly understand that your current diet and mental health are completely intertwined, it doesn't hold everyone's interest in the same way. But that doesn't mean what you're doing isn't important and that you shouldn't be documenting your journey! I wish you the best as you explore these uncharted waters (while still zoning out whenever anyone starts talking about carbs).
this is so very true and why i havent been watching as much. However, life is dynamic and as one's life changes and you're vlogging your life-it may no longer be a fit for your original audience. On the other hand, new audience memebers may show up due to the changes youve made with your treatment. This is 100% true for all RUclips channels-subscribers come and go. It's just not interesting to everybody.
Amen
But, diet (and other things - exercise, sleep, etc) and mental health are intertwined. The health of the body is the health of the mind. This is different than her discussing decor trends. This is a paradigm shift - we've seen the "mind" as somehow separate from the "body" - but what if they aren't?
@@kimberlyf4888 Yes they are intertwined, and the granular details of a diet still don't hold my interest. There are many, many important things in the world that I care about that don't hold my interest on a granular level. I tend to tune back in when it comes to end results and impact, but the trial and research phase holds my interest on the same level as home décor, football, etc. It was a descriptor, not a denigration. Not every person is interested in every thing, and thank goodness for that because we're all out here putting our time and talents to different things. That's what makes the world go round.
That is so wonderfully said and actually in a beautiful way if that makes sense. I have no problem with all aspects of discussion on this channel and am not sure why people have to take any of this personally. Just look at it like going to the store and pulling off the shelf what you want and disregard rhetoric rest. By saying that I’m not minimizing the personal effect of a channel.
When a community is built around suffering, a member's attempt to escape it can be experienced by the rest as a betrayal. I admit to having feelings of envy (pain at the good fortune of others, Aristotle defined it) come up connected to the channel's recent shift. It's sad that the bond you develop with someone from sharing common adverse experiences can turn venomous, can turn conditional on the maintenance of the mutual pain.
Thank you so much Lauren for your ever-graceful addressing of these things. You deserve all the good fortune and I'll join along for the ride on my cranky knees.
This is a wonderfully insightful comment. Thank you for introducing this perspective to the discussion.
True. And well said!
This is such an honest and insightful comment. Thank you for sharing it.
Beautifully written ❤
You have so much wisdom and insight into the journey of suffering and the pit-stops that that entice us as final destination rather than a resting and reassessment point. The challenge has always been to keep on open mind and keep moving.
I believe “living well with schizophrenia” would imply ongoing additions and subtractions with what’s working, what’s not, and what’s new medically and otherwise. There are many facets in all areas of life; the fact that you keep searching for better ways FOR YOU and to share all is admirable. Your quest to do the research, build a plan, share the success and tweaks on your journey, whilst being supported by an extremely loving man is A LOT! There’s some privilege, drive, intellect, passion, discipline, incredible self awareness… you cannot, and should not apologize for BEING YOU. You’re also sensitive. 😽
I started a Keto diet, meditating, stretching, light bodybuilding, cold showers, running and more hiking about 3 weeks ago. I feel great physically and mentally. It's because of your videos.
On another note, I would like to thank you and your husband for making such good content. I recently learned that someone close to me has schizoaffectif disorder. Sharing your experience, helps me more than you can imagine.
Keep spreading positivity, you’re making the world a better place, one video at a time and may your journey be filled with resilience, creativity, and moments of joy as you share your unique perspective.
Sincerly,
Martin
From the comments, it looks like you are helping countless people.
I felt that the community was also mad however, you made so many beautiful valid points. Also, so many people are addicted to sugar 93% of people are prediabetic and insulin resistant. Remember, the mouse always chooses sugar over cocaine and people will get mad because they lack self control
cold showers are great..!
after manage to go tro this paincave, deffinitly feel happier...
#endorphienes
You gotta send her some money if you want a response. 💰
The ketogenic concern doesn't interest me much, and generates mild concern, but I remain open to it being a learning experience for me. I have my own thing, over which I am powerless. Reaching acceptance for the things over which I hold no power, and most importantly learning where I can exercise power, was important to me. I stopped struggling and started focusing on the happy, for myself, and for my partner.
It's your journey! No one is forced to watch. Keto isn't for me but I'm open to learning what works for others.
Thank you so much for your empathetic and warm respect for your viewers ! I’m a psychotherapist and supervisor of health workers in Sweden and your channel is so helpful for me in many ways 🙏🏼❤️
I’m not mad, it’s your journey and it’s interesting.
My journey proved differing results however - I did the dieting, exercise, sleep therapy, stress mitigation thing and while I was physically at my best I ended up getting my worst episode I’ve ever had about eight months in. It rocked me and I’m still recovering a year later. My advice would be to just be careful.. exchanging medication entirely for lifestyle changes should be taken very seriously and cautiously.
I appreciate this video because it does show that you're listening to us but you have to understand it's something like a mental disorder was easy enough to be changed by what you ate then everybody would have done it a long time ago. Honestly seems like it's only something that's beneficial if you're already to a healthy point mentally but for most of the people dealing with schizoaffective disorder the struggle doesn't go away when you stop taking your meds and you just change your diet. Your early videos gave us hope that someone was finally speaking for us in a clear way, honest and for day to day struggles very helpful. I hope one day to get where you are. But most of your watchers that are diagnosed would not change our mental disorder by our diet alone. Just not possible. But seriously thank you for showing us your in this with us not against us. Blessings to u and yours
Spot on. The keto movement should be avoided
@@byzantineladybug9471 I've listen to a few of these supposed doctors. Strike me as poor qualified charlatans
I respect her choice of diet. I feel that every video shouldn't be just focused on Keto. I feel a Majority of people that are mentally ill are on a fixed income. People that would like to try it can't attain the finances. Inflation, food is quite expensive on a budget. I don't like for people to misunderstood that if they choose keto they can lower or stop their meds. ....
@@scotchmist... I don't understand why you would call someone like Dr Chris Palmer (whom Lauren has had on her channel twice) a "supposed doctor" or "charlatan". Lauren is being very courageous taking on this journey in such a public manner.
@@thewatcher633 I think you are being a bit naive. Try to be a bit more objective. This channel is not purely altruistic
I can admit I stopped watching the Keto stuff for similar reasons to other people. It wasn’t personal, I really enjoy your work. I appreciate how deeply you’ve considered the messages you’ve received about it. I also appreciate your dedication to researching alternative treatments for mental illness. I think for some of us, we fear getting our hopes up (again). Your message might feel like too much for some of us right now. But the beauty of RUclips is that when people go searching for this type of information on their own, they can find your video when they are ready to receive it.
In watches your videos I am always so impressed with your empathy, intelligence and your willingness to put yourself out there for others. Truly, in this world where seems so little hope for comprehensive treatment, you are to me a beacon. I also think that when your one of the first to take a new idea and experiment with it in the public eye, there's going to be some critical feedback. I know as a mother of a desperately ill son with schizoidaffective disorder, your bravery allows me to consider new potential options, new things to consider, new hope. It makes a difference. You make a difference. Thank you for your compassion
❤
Exactly what you said! ❤ Thank you!
Hi, I started the keto diet with you and did great and was able to lower my medication. Unfortunately, I had a hard time staying on the diet, and on my lower medication, I continued at the lower dose of meds and became depressed, so I feel it's important to tell people to go back on meds quickly if they fail the diet. I am restarting the diet because it did wonders for me. I just wanted to bring up this important point.
I think you and Rob are pioneers in what you’re doing with medical keto and as someone with scizoaffective bipolar type I’m inspired to talk to my psychiatrist about this. Keep doing what you’re doing and inspiring others like me.
You are so amazingly articulate, thoughtful, and compassionate. I'm doing keto thanks to you and just had an intake assessment with the new metabolic psychiatry dept at UCSF. You will never be all things to all people but what you are doing is having a significant and positive impact. 🙏
no matter what you focus on, you and Rob are having a positive impact on the world.
You have sent 20$ - She didn‘t even respond to you with a thank you or so. It is all about that money for her…
@@TheDaniel0258 I support Lauren and Rob because I believe in the work that they’re doing. I don’t do it for public recognition nor to boost my own ego. Everyone deserves to make a living and be paid for the work that they do.
@@TheDaniel0258the world is a better place with you spreading these sentiments.
I watch your channel to help me deal with loved ones who live with schizophrenia/mental illness. Keto content is interesting but not what I watch for. I believe you have found a beautiful option for treatment and I understand your excitement to share what you've found. I pray it continues to be helpful.
I have depression and anxiety, and just from seeing you wanting to get better and seeking to improve your mental health (the way you see fit) gives me motivation for doing the same!
Just a quick comment--I'm not mad but I usually just pass by keto videos. I have seen a lot of fad diets come and go in my day and I am doing well on medications. Just wanted to mention that you talked about keto giving you a sense of empowerment. This is great if it does this, in addition to changing one''s diet, one can also take the Wellness Recovery Action Plan or WRAP course and learn about how to manage your own illness. you brainstorm your triggers, plan out treatments you want and treatments you don't want. I don't know if you take suggestions, but it would be interesting to hear what you think of WRAP (or if you have already explored this option).
I know about the WRAP plans, I’ve been to presentations done about them!!! That is an excellent idea she may want to consider talking about in the future.
Yes I would like to see that discussed to it sounds far more accessible than metabolic therapy is for most people it would make a nice change sometime to have something that could be useful to more of us
Hi Lauren. I wanted to raise a perspective which was only briefly covered in your video, but which I feel reflects my concerns. I do not have schizophrenia/schizoaffective disorder, but do have autoimmune disorders/PCOS. Diet/exercise has improved my symptoms so I am not a skeptic that these interventions work. However, there has been a rise in health influencers in the podcast sphere who endorse certain diets (eg. carnivore) as a “cure all” for many different conditions.
I don’t have a problem with this per se, they might indeed help, but what I do find worrying is the attempts to gloss over any potenial side effects of these diets/gaslighting their audience. Some influencers/followers claim one shouldn't need medicines if they follow the diet properly, if it doesn’t work for an individual and they end up needing to rely on medication they are often gaslit by the community and told they must have made a mistake in implementing the diet. So too, there is a sense in these communities that medication is 'bad' and ailments can be treated with diet alone, and you are a failure or 'brainwashed by big pharma' if you take medication. I am not saying that you have in any way pushed this idea, but I think that it is important to note that many subscribers will not just be consuming your content, which is evidence based and well-balanced, but also the more dubious content from other creators.
Whilst you shouldn’t have to feel you are responsible for other people’s choices, I do think perhaps people are worried about the influence your decision might have on your viewers particularly the lack of discussion of risk/potential for harm. The concern is that whilst this diet may be working for you, and truly be evidence based, it likely isn’t going to work for everyone, and if an individual sees you lowering your medication on the diet they may do this also and experience a relapse in symptoms.
I think this is also where the accessibility concerns come into play. If people can’t afford a specialist psychiatrist/nutritionist to monitor them on this journey, but decide to try it anyway after seeing your great results, they might end up in quite a dangerous situation. I don’t mean this comment in any way to be an attack, just to help you maybe understand some concerns. I have followed you for many years and I know that this absolutely wouldn't be your intention, but just felt the need to comment in case this helps give some context behind many peoples knee-jerk reaction to the keto diet. :)
Absolutely this. It's also triggering to see the amount of comments that are just plainly anti-meds.
I agree 100%! The keto diet has many side effects and it’s not recommended to be a long term diet. Only up to 1 year. So I’m wondering what she’s going to do at one year. It can cause kidney, heart and liver issues.
Exactly this! Totally agree even tho I’ve been on medical keto for two years now. It has side effects for sure I have ended up in the hospital from complications of the ketogenic diet more than I ever have from my antipsychotics however for me it’s a less risky option when I consider the risk vs benefit long term of not doing the diet in combination with lower doses of certain medications. Every treatment has side effects risks and benefits and none of them are miracle cures you need to make informed decisions with your doctor and look at all the factors physical mental emotional financial and social if my psychiatric medication didn’t exacerbate another physical health condition I had I wouldn’t do keto at all because it’s not very effective for my mental health it helps a little bit and it helps mediate the effects of my antipsychotics because the kinds we have here are so limited I can’t get another kind that would not exasperate my pre-existing condition. If I had access to half the medication available in the US I would not be on keto my electrolytes are all over the place even with supplements I’m prone to dehydration I’ve had arrhythmia’s due to low sodium and dementia from low sodium 3 times and needed a drip I’ve lost muscle mass because of protein restrictions I’m tired a lot of the time I don’t sleep as well and my strength and energy are down in general but to keep my ketones in the level they need to be this is better than a higher dose of one of my medications and not being on keto while on a certain antipsychotic. The side effects of dehydration electrolyte imbalance and unfortunately for me long QT syndrome on the medication that keto enables me not to take is worse so for me keto was an add on that was less dangerous. This did nothing for my psychotic symptoms but did control my hypomanic episodes as well as the medication it enables me not to take without my other medications I would be very sick tho this intervention does seem to function as effectively as a salt based mood stabiliser that has similar side effects but slightly more dangerous. None of these things are a miracle cure this diet does enable me to take my antipsychotics without blood sugar problems and for that I’m glad but I mainly do this diet so I can take the medication that does work not so that I can get off or lower medication it allows me to take more of the medication I need without metabolic side effects
People are mean. You are always cognizant of others. Don’t let the haters get you down! You are empowering yourself by taking care of your mental health naturally. This does not look easy, and you have been incredibly honest the whole journey! No side effects from meds! No more feeling medicated constantly. I admire and respect what you are doing for the mental health community. Please don’t let anyone steal or minimize your success.
Mad at you? I'm thrilled that you're finding your way. Of course it's different for everyone. I can understand people feeling disconcerted. Keto seems to be helping you. Do what YOU need to do. You've been dealing with this malady, not anyone else. I firmly believe that if we are more empowered as patients, we can be better patients.
I'm not schizophrenic, I have MS, however, I have gained so much insight into my own illness and found so much of the struggle as being similar. I can't do keto myself, but you do you.
I am so happy that Keto is helping you.
I personally has to disengage as I am in remission from an eating disorder. I did find your old content very helpful in my psychosis journey ❤
Thank you for sharing your journey with us, no matter where it takes you.
You are doing a great service with this channel and your honest discussions about living with a mental illness. You also have every right to pursue things that may help you navigate your illness. I for one am still rooting for you.
I know I’m personally sensitive to diet content, so I’ve skipped some of your keto videos, but not out of malice or upset! I’m glad keto seems to be working for you. I think it’s amazing the difference the right diet can make when medically indicated!
I don't really feel like it's so much of a shift in content so much as a leg of your journey that we all follow. I am very interested in seeing how this new therapy or whatever one wants to call it affects your mental health. I think everyone can benefit and learn from your experiences, good and bad. So, keep doing you and I look forward to your next video. Thank you!
My adult son (schizophrenia) , when we found him (he'd been missing for 2 years) was wrongly medicated, 130 lbs. over weight, and living a very symptom driven life. Now he is regulated on a more proper med and with Keto he is 115 lbs lighter. Can't help but think both of those two things along with family involvement and connection have contributed to where he's at today. Family education, exercise, acceptance and love, channels like this have helped more than I can say. Everyone's journey is unique and knowledge of finding what works for yours is so important. Praying everyone will find their way...
I have dipped out watching these videos for a couple of reasons. The ED thing is the main reason, I generally get uncomfortable around strict diet type content even though you're doing a medically supported program for good personal reasons. The other being that I watch primarily to understand my mother in law better and this is absolutely not something that is within her reach or capacity, so it's kind of irrelevant to me. But through her experience I see the normalisation of 'if western psychiatry doesn't do it for ya, you're a lost cause' so I also understand that aspect of taking control back.
I just want you to be healthy and happy. I worry for you because I don't know if this will end up working long term, and I worry that you'll be really, really disappointed if it starts to work less well and it will send you into a deep spiral, but that's not a reason for you to not try. You deserve to explore your life and try to live it as well as you can. I appreciate this video. I'm not mad at you, and I'll keep watching
My waning enthusiasm: Keto, as well-endorsed as it may be, experimentally, is kind of like a religion. Your great strengths are: your continuous reassurances ("I define me" sign in bkgd.), positive reinforcements ("It's a spectrum disorder. One size doesn't fit all"), and your insightfully honest self-appraisals; they're all so helpful! ...Not mad, still in love.
The whole purpose is to improve your quality of life so the information is priceless. Your not just going to accept that there is no cure but trail blaze for a cure.
I will be honest that I’m not as interested in the keto diet content, due to personal struggles with disordered eating, ect. I respect your decision and don’t feel that I am owed any particular content, although I do understand where concerns might be coming from
My son was diagnosed with schizophrenia at age 15. Now 21. It was a struggle to keep him alive. Several stay at psychiatric unit. Now at 21, he started a meat based diet.lower his sugar intake. He has stopped his medication, doing sport again, taking care of himself. So much energy to fight for himself. We know that there are ups and downs in those desease but really since his diet change. The improvements are outstanding… l followed you to understand more about those desease and it has helped me so much and give me hope. I pray for you and hope you all the best. You are fighting for you and your family and it is really honourable. My English is not the best but thank you for what you are doing.❤️❤️❤️
That’s so encouraging and wonderful to hear about your son. I’m so glad he is doing well. ❤
Is it colonialism pushing carnism, since it makes the most money, along with these institutes of abse and of all animals, as agriculture is the biggest and most fascist?
There's plenty of videos out there about understanding bipolar/schizoaffective disorder/schizophrenia but very little informtation on how to really improve life for people afflicted by the conditions other than medication. As someone with bipolar disorder I have had enough of doctors trying to medicate me and destroy my body further after an antidepressant triggered my illness. This isn't just about medicating this is actually HEALING the body and the brain and that's priceless. Thank you for putting in the time Lauren to become an example of how this can actually help people past just symptom suppression.
This is your journey + I’m proud of you for sharing that journey with us. I’ve learned so much. You are very smart pretty special + kind. I admire your bravery. You seem to be feeling well + I’m happy to see that. You are living with an incurable chronic medical condition. It’s terrific that you are open to new + different treatments. The info you provide exemplifies that there can be alternative treatment options for our conditions. ❤❤
I love the changes personally! I've wanted my mom who has schizophrenia to try keto to see if it helps for the past 4 years so I'm so happy to see someone do it so i can see the results! God bless you for being courageous
You're such an empathetic person. Thank you for sharing everything you have with us, and thank you for empathizing with those people that are struggling with their own mental illness.
TBH this sounded somewhat patronising
" scoffing .... When your medication is part of your identity.....not open to trying new approaches,"
I don't have schizophrenia, nor do I know anyone who does, but we've all had experiences on the mental illness spectrum and your channel was always relatable in that context. I tried keto many years ago for bodybuilding purposes and I hated it, made me feel miserable, so I only skim over your recent videos. You're doing well health-wise and that's truly all that matters. The diet seems to be a miracle cure in your case! With that in mind, it's understandable that people who were attracted to the original focus of the channel would be less interested now, but that's fine. There's a time for everything in life and little good would come out of trying to keep things the way they were. Onward and upward!
My brother committed suicide 5 years ago after a 12 year battle with schizoaffective disorder. It is sad that not everyone has the resources to try a ketogenic diet, but you shouldn't have to hold guilt because of this Lauren. It is almost like saying that people in developed countries should feel guilty about having access to clean drinking water. I truly hope this works for you, you are an inspiration to me :) God bless!
As someone who has used diet to treat my health issues, I have loved watching your journey and so happy you’ve found something that is working.
I’ve done a true ketogenic diet for years in my life, and people are curious and want to know about it. But when they see what I do, without “cheating”, doing it every day no matter what, I was AMAZED how almost angry some people were with me, like I was asking them to do it, to “never eat carbs for the rest of their life” (untrue)… even close family were really quite negative about it. All you can do is what’s right for you and get strength from those who are happy for you. It was shocking to me how much people will fight for their “right” to eat cake at weddings, pizza or ice cream with their kids etc. If you found something that works for you that’s ALL that matters.
I don't know how , but ALL I do know know is "I was once blind, but now I can see", said a healed man a long time ago.
I have been on Keto for 7 years now. Easiest eating lifestyle I have ever done actually. Far easier than eating low fat and counting calories. Oftentimes, family will try to coax me into eating sugary desserts at holiday dinners, as though they think I am putting myself through torture by avoiding the cheesecake😂. What they don’t seem to understand is that it is not torture because I completely lack craving of sugar. I crave asparagus. I don’t crave cake or cookies.
if something is not working for YOU, try something different, I don't think anyone can criticize someone for wanting to feel better or try to feel better even if its not a traditional path, you go girl
So many people don't have any idea of the dangers of increasing and decreasing medication. Clearly no one has done any research on the anti-psychotics. Before 1975, thousands of people were lobotomized until they discovered anti-psychotics. People shouldn't complain about taking them.
For the good of everyone watching - it is extremely important that you are transparent about what medications and how much you are taking. Not doing so while talking about things like keto is not right.
Thank you for sharing this video. It helps to be reminded of progress that has been made and the hope that things can get better. It helps me not be too hard on myself. With depression, lifestyle changes seem impossible when your symptoms are very bad. It makes you feel like more of a failure because you cant even do simple things like shower, let alone go on a diet. Seeing your compassion for those of us who aren't quite in a place to do Keto is very comforting. Your journey (even if you have a different diagnosis) helps me see there is hope, even if mental illness will always be there.
Even though I was skeptical at first, I’m really glad that the keto diet is working for you. You’ll always have my support.
I appreciate your new content and started commenting since it reflects my personal experience navigating mental illness and trying to explore non traditional therapies and approaches to managing symptoms. It was such a challenge learning to empowering myself while setting up a baseline with healthier eating,trying for proper sleep hygiene and a regular schedule, embracing movement and physical exercise etc
I watched from afar before but never commented until the keto arc.
Thanks for sharing your experiences the way that you do.
43 years ago I was diagnosed with bipolar type 1. I just tried the keto diet for a week, coming out of intermittent fasting/semi-fasting. I could make the food good, no problem. As the week progressed, I started to feel slightly weirder than usual, and I got growing sleep disurbance, culminating in all the sleep time being disrupted by me feeling like my entire body was covered in electricity. It was really awful, I mean it was constant throughout all sleep in the end. I was already suffering from bad insomnia/dyssomina, but this was an extra level that was not bearable. So on the 8th evening I ate anything, including carbs, and that night my sleep went back to the usual bad, no more "electricity". Strange, eh? I have never heard of this happening to anyone else. I don't know what it means, but for my organism, it seems keto is not a good choice.
It sounds like you had the keto flu it happens at the beginning when you start the diet. If you want to do the diet correctly you should do it with a Keto Coach and your own
medical care team. You should never do it without professional guidance.
@@JadaRose880 Ah, yeah, it looks like I'd need all the monitoring kit and every other support for it then as well. I think that level of involvement is out of my ball park under the current circumstances 😑. Well, I thought I'd give it a go in the simplest way. Strange how we react differently, my cousin did it unmonitored, no problems.
I am not mad at all but thankful you are exploring this diet. I am being informed hugely.
I personally have really enjoyed this shift. My sister has the same diagnosis as you and currently isn’t at a capacity to implement a keto lifestyle. I have been sharing a lot of keto/metabolic health information with my mom who is my sisters guardian. Maybe one day she’ll be able to try keto. I don’t know, but I have found some hope in your experience. Her illness has been very severe.
I personally think that what you are doing is Heroic.
You have a series of symptoms that are common to millions of people in the world today, and result in the following difficulties; most are un employable, cannot get medical insurance, have no hope of a remission for any length of time, no hope for a cure, medical therapies that are as bad as or worse than the existing symptoms.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING is offering your self and your life experience to all of us to witness whether the KETOGENIC DIET can allow you to operate in a reasonable way on a daily basis with a very minimal level of medication. While this will not guarantee success for anyone else, it hold out some hope for normalcy that is not available through any medical intervention currently.
I am so proud to know you and be a witness to this, words will never express my gratitude.
I could not agree more with what you have written. Lauren is giving hope to so many people. For a long time I had been wishing that she would try Keto. Overjoyed that she is trying it and I'm rooting for her all the way, regardless of the outcome. She is being very brave.
I appreciate you content around metabolic interventions so much. As a caregiver for my mother with a SMI who healed so much through this approach. I got to and get to enjoy her more than ever before since we implemented these interventions. I'm so happy your family is experiencing the same benefits!! When you go through something like this it makes you want to shout it at the top of buildings because of how much hope it can bring to others. Sharing via RUclips is an amazing way to spread awareness and you are doing so with so many qualifiers and including all of the nuances. Thank you so much!!
I’m glad you’re making these videos, and I’m even more glad to see how exciting you are about your journey❤
One of the cool things emerging from the discussion in the comments on the recent videos is how different people with lived experience are mentioning the non-medical interventions that work for them with regard to managing mental illness. It’s a great reminder that we are not a monolith to be forced awkwardly into “best practices” determined without our consultation. Rather, we are individuals who require individual care plans to which we’ve had some degree of input.
It’s a good reminder that we CAN tune into and trust ourselves, even if we are considered unreliable narrators within the medical system. I think reconnecting with this sense of trust, and as Lauren says, EMPOWERMENT, is key to true healing. Keep listening to yourself and doing what makes you feel healthy and grounded. ❤
I love you vlogging and you and Rob together
I know my brother’s unhealthy eating habits spiralled out of control when he started to experience psychotic symptoms and depression. So I haven’t shared your journey with him because he may not even believe that his delusions are in his mind, let alone consider making the ultimate sacrifice- cut out his favourite foods- to get rid of them. However, I am holding out hope that he gets to a place where he has coping mechanisms other than food, he may be able to treat his mental illness with the ketogenic diet. Thank you for sharing this ray of hope for those who want that stability you have found.
I'm not mad at you, I'm totally inspired, but I get why for some it would frustrate, especially if their conditions overwhelm them. Hoping for healing for everyone, as you clearly do ❤🙏
I don't share the same mental health struggles as you. Mine are different. But I like to learn how people deal with mental health issues. I am sometimes mildly disturbed by this content (for various reasons) and sometimes I am simply not interested in it, but I would not classify my feelings as anger, by any means. This is your journey and I am happy for you if, in fact, this turns out to work out so well for you. I may not want to watch this channel as much, but it's YOUR life and YOUR choice on how to improve your health. I applaud you for advocating for yourself and striving for what is best for you.
What about this would be disturbing to you (genuine question)?
as a former counselor, it is not my feeling but the knowing, that it is NOT supported by the current treatment milieu. even if people did want to try it, there is no support network for them to try it.
People are trying it. And you’re right it is not accepted by most practitioners. But there are professionals dedicated to providing support for medical keto. And there was just a segment on The Today Show about it, so it is growing.
Seeing you getting better is such a joy. I watched the video of your hospitalization this week and the one where you tell your story, including hospital staff abuse (I feel that more than once as well, including the forced meds, pants pulled down, and forced solitary and people laughing while I was hyperventilating) and the suicidal tendencies (I also attempted twice) --- seeing you now, doing better -- whatever it was helping you I would be interested in, honestly, and Keto I recently found out might control my brain illness and my high cholesterol, which can also damage my brain. My two biggest health issues getting healed with Keto motivates me to check your page frequently. I'm so happy you are sharing your journey with us all. You are doing such a good job.
You do you, Lauren! I was on keto for about three years and it did not help my schizoaffective disorder, but it helped me manage my weight. I am glad it is helping you with your symptoms!
Hello 😊 I just watched your interview with Dr. Bret Scher on metabolic mind and then I hopped over here to get to know you a little better. I think this video was very kind. You seem like a lovely person. It's wonderful to hear that you are experiencing success with this project and I do hope that the people who have concerns and questions will find the answers that they need by continuing watching your journey. The ketogenic diet is controversial - yes. But it's giving so many people their lives back who formerly struggled with all kinds of diseases, illness or condition. All the best to you as you go along 🌻
I am so impressed with your empathy! You have indeed given hope! Thank you for sharing your daily life. You are an inspiration & I'm glad your health care consultant is aware of a LMHR
Personally, this journey has been extremely helpful for me. You've inspired me to take control of my health entirely. Physically and mentally. It feels good to have someone to look up to. I enjoyed the content before, and the content now even more, since I've started the keto diet with my doctor's supervision. 4 weeks in now!
As much as I understand people have big feelings about the shift, I feel so blessed to have company in this journey. Keep up the good work, Lauren!
No need to explain!! You are an explorer in mental health. We need you. ❤
I wouldn't say mad/ upset I am however disappointed. The diet is not obtainable for everyone due to cost, cooking and availability. The focus was about mental health and meds for a long time and that was great.
You know, meds aren’t accessible to everyone either. And some are treatment-resistant.
@@sassysequence I do know meds aren't accessable to everyone but I answered Lauren's question TYVM. I also am aware people are non med complaint as I work in a psych hospital and see it daily. So, please get back to lauren's question and my reply is the same.
I’am happy for you this is working for you. Glad you found your balance. God Bless you. Love the video ❤.
That you are striving to add to your wellness with nutrition and finding some power in this, should be encouraging for anyone and everyone who hopes to explore any safe means to optimize your life day by day.
There are so many medical conditions that will benefit from nutritional exploration.
This seems exemplary as we each are our own best advocate.
Thank you so much for sharing. I never miss one of your videos.
Lauren and Rob have done an amazing job sharing their journey. They are both articulate and transparent and as a mental health worker, I appreciate their perspectives. I think the content has shifted and it's alienated viewers. Shared struggles/suffering and how to manage them was the commonality and now it's shifted abruptly to celebrating successes/effectively managing symptoms through Keto. Huge shift in focus and emotional tone.
Your healing health and family are number 1. We love and appreciate your special purpose of public service. We Also understand this is content educational and personal. Can't please everyone and I think the journey you're on, the way you feel and present if it's organic and from the heart which feels that way continue to shine bright! Thank you for considering the audience and respecting yourself. ❤ You beautiful human. Rob you're amazing yourself. ❤❤ love love love
I like all your videos, including the ketogenic diet. I like how you show all the ways you seek to deal with your health condition. You calm me down with the way you handle with everything. Love from Brazil 💛💚💙❤
I feel that the earlier videos were consistent with the scientific consensus on schizoaffective disorder. The ketogenic diet is not a part of the current scientific consensus on the treatment of schizoaffective disorder.
I didn’t get the impression the channel was directly promoting the diet per se. I thought it was to experiment, as many persons with mental illness do with vitamins, periodizing medications etc. I thought this was to provide anecdotal evidence, which is as much her right as it is yours or mine. And the drugs aren’t easy, have really unpleasant side-effects and are addictive.
but clearly it's helping her and reducing the symptoms of the disorder
Well, scientific consensus can certainly shift over time, with new information. But, even when the information is known, what is taught and practiced may take decades to change. The fact that she is trying something that is being overseen by her care practitioners and is actually working to help her is amazing.
@@kimberlyf4888 It is true scientific consensus can change. However, it is nearly impossible for anyone to predict how it will change.
Scientific consensus is meant to shift overtime by it’s shear definition otherwise it wouldn’t be scientific
Bless you hunny 💛 You help and inspire me so much. I could never be mad at you.
I don’t have schizoaffective.. I watched a lot of your earlier videos because as a nurse/ health care provider I find them interesting. I honestly never knew someone could live such a high functioning life with this condition!! You are blessed beyond measure to have such an adoring husband and I have no doubt your high functioning is greatly related to his support. I think you might be confusing critical thinking with anger. I don’t think anyone is angry or jealous. I just think people are optimistically cautious. Once again, you are blessed. Support is everything. I just hope people don’t jump to the conclusion that medication is evil and diet cures everything. Medication can be life saving. Thank the Lord we have antibiotics and people need meds sometimes and that’s okay. You don’t score more points in life if you can live medicine free. I notice people like the videos you post about your feelings, mood, psychosis experience in the hospital, because they can relate and it helps them feel less alone. I don’t think they want you to be in that state it’s just relatable and more real and raw. Lots of people in the comments want to know how your symptoms are different or less but you might not want to talk about that. People just want the grit and not the routine if that makes sense! Take care!
Your channel is honest and open and is about you sharing YOUR journey. I have learned a lot in trying to help a loved one. You are right that some people at a low point cannot handle the idea of taking on a big venture like keto, but if families watch this, we can help and encourage our loved ones in the many ways you have shared. I have learned so much from you.
Tbh I love this keto content. I been watching some of the dr Palmer interviews and I got to realize that the ketogenic diet is actually a baseline for treating any mental illness. I just started keto and I already see benefits. In terms of my mood and my cognition. Even some of my delusions seem bit less believable to me whilst just on my meds I still strongly believed in them. Btw I have paranoid schizophrenia.
You are a multifaceted person, sharing your story, and your own authentic experiences and journey. It’s an honor to be witness to your journey, keep being awesome, keep being you!!
By chronicling your day to day journey so honestly with such detail and accuracy you have become pioneers on the cusp of a new frontier in medical science Your influence is putting Ketogenic Therapy for Mental Illness on the map and many will follow
Who knows what other therapies will evolve from our new understanding of Mitochondria and Ketosis?
You and Rob were made for
this !
Carry On!
👏👏👏👏👏👏
Advising that you separate your journey on keto from your mental illness is tantamount to telling you that you shouldn't discuss your experience with other treatments such as medication and therapy. Speaking as a person who has lived with severe and persistent mental illness for over 30 years, i am extremely grateful for having heard about ketogenic diet ftom you. I knew nothing of this prior and now have hope that i wont have to be stuck the way am now. I have been medication compliant for many years, but one medication in particular makes it difficult for me to leave my disability status. I would like to work on a more sustainable option for long-term treatment. I have been on the diet for a week and i already see a difference.
I'm really happy that you're still kicking butt. Keep it up. You really have to consider your own feelings about this. It's your life, and the intention that you're trying to help yourself and others is literally the only thing that matters. Full-stop.
Keep doing what you're doing. You're sharing your journey. You're not telling people what to do. You've made me be more open minded about the role of diet in mental health care.
Thanks for sharing your journey, Lauren. I’m glad you are feeling good so far and am rooting for you ☺️
So happy for you Lauren, regarding some relief of symptoms you're experiencing! So, so happy for you. It would be so 'mentally unhealthy', inappropriate, dysfunctional, codependent to 'man' if others feel you need to stay 'sick' for them, to give them 'company' ... I don't know where to start with words on people being 'angry' with you...to me that is so unwarranted, and again, to do so - to be angry - is a sign of mental illness manifesting.
Very well said. Totally agree with you.
I have found your keto journey very interesting and watching you improve is really wonderful. I know diet is so important. My family radically changed ours for my husband's health about 10 years ago. We havent eaten out in 10 years and I miss certain things but I never want to go back to how life was when he was suffering. I've found that it makes people mad/offended that he can't eat certain things, or can't eat out. Its a complicated subject
I don't have schizophrenia but I have other chronic disorders, and it's hard when the thing your favourite youtuber seems to be selling is snake oil. Although yours is not a weight loss journey, it smacks of those folks who are on a diet or weightloss kick and brag about how great they feel and you know that these lifestyles or diets are not sustainable long term, and you will likely go back to feeling like crap when that new car smell wears off. But you are so relatable and charismatic, it's hard not to be happy for you as you seem to have found something that is either alleviating your symptoms or coinciding with a natural remission from your symptoms. So your "fans" are happy for you (of course) but it's hard when what it appears you have on your hands is a snake oil.
My mom had schizoaffective disorder, bipolar type. Unfortunately, her illness was made much worse by the extremely serious childhood trauma she experienced. I understand how many sufferers may be prone to suspicion and fear, it’s just a natural part of the illness for many. I’m happy for you going on this journey! I’m actually going with you - 5 weeks into medical keto and following you closely. Thank you for your courage and strength!
Thank you so much for all you do … I’m so happy you’re getting some relief ❤❤❤
I find the content refreshing ❤ It's awesome you are taking ownership of your health, you go girl!!
I am not mad at you. 😊 I love these videos. I, too, suffer from mental illness (es). I've tried ev-er-y-thing! I am now, also in realization of powerlessness. It's very freeing to surrender! Isn't it? I'm very elated that you brought this concept up. It's nice and peaceful to change your thinking. For myself. 😊❤ I'm so proud of you. You are a strong and confident woman. I only aspire to have the skills you have one day. Thank you for making all of your videos. Because look how far you've come in 8 years! Wow!😊 I think, for me, it's the fact that I wanted the change so I became the change in my life. I did something about it. And I refuse to give up! And that's what I hear in this video. Keep up the great work
I have a family history of schizophrenia and I am a woman in my 30s who had dealt with life-long anxiety and depression, and I like to educate myself about schizophrenia so that I'm equipped to recognize signs and symptoms if they do arise. I find the ups and downs and treatments and experiments of your life that you're sharing with us to be immensely helpful. Eight months ago you posted about your experience being admitted to psychiatric care, and now you're sharing your span of time with minimal symptoms. This is very helpful because it allows us to see your experience with a chronic mental illness at every stage. Many of us (myself included) think when we are in a good way, there is nothing to worry about or we are suddenly neurotypical and no longer need medication/treatment, but the fact that you document the highs as well as the lows is just a perfect example of how mental illness operates at a higher/functional level.
Well said and very relatable. Over the ten years of being ill, I have struggled to accept it as chronic, but that's partly to do with the fact that I can't stand the medicines I've tried and/or stayed on. Keto is a better option so far and I hope we all have improved symptoms on it for those who use it to treat mental conditions. I love the idea of taking power over our issues.
If you truly have schizoaffective and you know changing your diet doesn't change a mental disorder. No cure means no cure. Meds are necessary. Because it doesn't change every good period eventually follows by an episode.