Why I'm so sedated (potentiation)
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2024
- Week 4 of medical keto has brought along some challenges around feeling sedated and increased side effects of my antipsychotic medications. In this video, I explore more about why that's happening and what to do about it as well as just take you along with me through my everyday life this week.
Timestamps:
00:00 Soccer practice and how anaerobic exercise is feeling
03:23 Couples therapy and what I took away from it
05:40 Everything Keto store and goodies we got + writing off medical keto products
06:30 Trip to the gym
08:10 Why I've been feeling so sedated and what potentiation is
12:29 Testing ketones and glucose and what GKI levels are
15:07 Rob's gotta pee
15:47 Found something strange in my peanut butter cups
16:06 Back to the gym and outro
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a long time ago I came to your channel because I was recently diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder, Thanks for making your channel and showing it's possible to be a normal person that leads a normal life with schizophrenia, I've found medicine that works for me and im not acting like I have a personality disorder anymore, every once in a while I still believe people are trying to poison me, or my doctors trying to hurt me, but im not going off the wall in a manic episode over it, or having explosive rage, I wanted to say this because I made a comment that implied I was having a tough time with my diagnoses, and wanted to say I'm getting better in case you happened to worry about a random stranger on the internet for some reason.
As someone who just got out of the psych ward last week, be careful. I have been on the OMAD diet for a couple of years and I have lost a ton of weight and it has been great, so I am not saying anything against Keto. But before I went to the psych ward this time, I was feeling exhausted and it was the lead up of me getting unwell. Usually before I go to the hospital, I always feel sedated and unbelievably tired, with low motivation, but a lot of mania. Everybody presents differently, of course, but I am just letting you know what happens to me and that may be the reason you are feeling tired and sedated, not because of your diet or your meds, but because you are starting to get unwell. I hope that is not the case for you, but please be mindful.
One meal a day has nothing to do with keto.
@@PalinaZRude. Her point was that any dietary change can be dangerous.
I love how much you both love each other. The way you are both squished together on a big couch says it all! Thank you for continuing and persevering through this medical Keto.
I've been on a keto diet before and my experience was being very tired in the beginning. My body was still looking for carbs to burn. Took a while before my body adjusted.
No advice on your meds but I thought it was very dismissive of the keto lady to say psychiatrists and physicians are hesitant to adjust your medications because they don't want to be sued or liable. I think the real reason is because they want to make sure it doesn't adversely affect your mental health when and if they drop your prescription down.
I'm just a mother of a bipolar one who's prone to psychosis. Sometimes it's very nuanced and you can see it coming on. You just have to be careful and watchful. Your psychiatrist is always number one in my opinion. But listen to your close loved ones. Your husband😂
It was a bit of a red flag for me that she only offered one explanation for it.
@@Echo-yk1idAgree. How the heck can she know why the medical professionals make the decisions they make. Could it possibly be that they are putting their patient’s best interests first, and are not worried about being sued. Sounds like the psychiatrist is willing to work with this, but this ‘keto coach’ is already drawing lines in the sand, and subtly making it an us against them situation, which could potentially be extremely dangerous. I don’t like it. I’d find someone more well rounded and opened minded. Besides the fact that the coach said this before Lauren had even heard back from her psychiatrist. She covers her butt well though. I’m sorry. I’m a good read on people. I do not like this woman.
Thank you for letting us participate in your big 'experiment'. Good luck.
What you are doing is so inspirational to all of us, not just those who have a medical condition. Just so exceptional! 👍
I am very happy for you and I really enjoy seeing the supportive side of your husband and family
Good to see you having fun!
Your an inspiration to those who can't speak for themselves, sometimes literally. Keep it up 👍
Well done Lauren. I also noticed you and Rob squished up together on the couch ❤. Listening to the two of you communicate is helping me to open up to my loved ones about my own MH difficulties. So glad I found your You Tube sight 😊😊😊
I got this starting keto felt amazing got myself so excited that it was going to work and then started feeling what I associate with oversadation from my antipsychotic and lowered the dose that was a disaster for me because I had actually had a mild hypomanic episode during the first few weeks an not realised then crashed into what was a very physical kind of depression and exhaustion and brain fog although it was hard to identify as depression because I reasoned that I was understandibly disappointed about this set back and I was so determined to keep thinking keto would let me get off my medication or Atleast lower it that I decided this was actually a good sign and meant I was already ready to start lowering my antipsychotic. Looking back I can see this but at the time I was so so hopeful about getting off medication that I had totally missed my elevated mood and energy and trouble sleeping as keto effects and then similarly I missed that the fatuige and brain fog was not also a positive sign of the keto medical diet working and that the medication was the problem. I went into the keto diet like it was a battle between keto or medication and I was so stuck in that mindset that I didn’t realise that keto and the medication were not working against each other that actually it was the other way around that keto had caused a mild and brief destabilising effect on my mood as I had been warned it could and I choose to disregard this common side effect of starting and blame my medication which incidentally was the only think keeping me from spiralling Into psychosis. I really hope you aren’t like me and are feeling like medication and keto have to oppose each other because in a lot of cases they work together and yes I did eventually lower my doses but not till 6 months into the diet when we understood my baseline. Also ruling out illness particularly covid and possible pregnancy or period changes due to hormones are logical steps before deciding it’s the medication. A lot of people on keto find that the increased energy keto gives them makes the sedation from their medications less not more in epilepsy and bipolar so it’s not always the case that you start to feel more side effects of your medication it goes the other way too which is why keto compliments medication so well for those of us who are using both the medical keto diet and medication to manage our psychotic illness
Thank you for making these videos! We Love you!
Thanks so much for sharing your journey on keto. It's so interesting!
You two are amazing‼️ As a caregiver for our adult son, I so appreciate your vulnerability and candor on real life situations‼️ God Bless you‼️♥️🙏🏻
I’m the same looking after adult son, hope your both doing okay.
I was shocked that my med for insomnia was so much stronger since I started the Keto diet. It's an "as needed" med, so I cut back on it. But will consult with my doctor as I go along about my other meds. As always, thanks for sharing your journey.
You're doing great, Lauren!!! It's fun to watch your routine and I thoroughly enjoy the medical bits to learn more about what's going on like GKI, and potentiation. I look forward to learning what your psychiatist says about a med reduction! I talk to mine (actually an NP) next week to tell her I've been doing keto - no clue how she'll take it but if she's not open, I'm afraid I'll have to find someone else. Good luck :)
You are brave and inspirational❤
Love these videos Lauren ❤
Last week I was so happy to tell Nicole how fantastic I was doing ... got shut down girl. "Watch out for being a bit too Manic Kim."... She's right, I over did it. Same potentiation happened to me as well. I had to cut my meds in half. After I did that I was so much better in only two days. Keep on keepin on.
Nice to see you both doing things together! I wish myself and my wife were on the same level like you guys.
You can find something you both enjoy doing…and eating well together is very important.
You are a great role model Lauren, I get a lot out of ur content. ☺️
Im glad to see you trying metobolic health through keto diet. Our diets are generally filled with over processed, high glycemic, pro inflammatory foods. The brain/gut connection is real and so long as you work with your psychiatrist why not try a med adjustment? If diet can help the symptoms of your disease what a wonderful thing that would be
Great examples of healthy lifestyle. You two are adorable😊
Love your day to day videos. Not just the scripted
this was such a cute vlog :) I had no idea canada got THAT cold. also your oldest looks soooo much like rob they're so cute
Thanks for this vlog Lauren! Glad to know you are doing well overall :)
I was wondering if you could expound upon the role of socializing in metabolic health in a future video? You might have explained this earlier but I am unclear on the relationship between the two concepts.
I also wanted to offer a “flipped script” pov based on your therapy summary. Could it be that you require MORE support and encouragement when you receive positive reinforcement as opposed to cautionary voices? Do you have more power and untapped capacity than people give you credit for? This is just some food for thought.
Wishing you continued good health. Your journey is inspiring. Much gratitude for taking us along! ❤
We love you Lauren and pray and stand with you
"so you know now" I hate how he said that omg
I had horrible abnormal uterine bleeding and was horribly fatigued. I was able to survive by drinking espresso to get to a normal tired state. If it helps you to function, then it is medicine! Don't feel guilty! Meds also helped too!
People are saying they are worried about the medication changes being talked about so early on and Lots of us do the medical keto diet with supervision and stay on our medications but I too am saddened to see how flippantly people and in particular the “keto experts” response to this is. I felt that doctor Palmers response to Lauren’s obvious hope and anticipation of being able to lower medication was far more balanced and appropriate that waiting for 6 months to see if it was helping before doing anything to medication doses and also his warnings about the risk of starting the therapy were appropriate. I think the therapist is being much more balanced in her reflection of the situation than the keto lady or Lauren and I so hope that Lauren can see some of this it’s still so so early and starting the therapy is known to have short term effects on mental health medication metabolism and all over physical health. Jumping to the conclusion that it’s potentiation when there’s so many other more likely factors to rule out first is extremely irresponsible of the keto coach who has obviously not read the research on the much more likely effects of the early stages of ketogenic therapy. I so worried that people will see this and think that they too can have this unrealistic and unsubstantiated response to keto so early on and there is plenty of research to show the blood levels of medication and simple tests that will show if the metabolism of the medication has changed it’s actually more common for the medical keto diet to cause the blood levels of certain medications to drop and to have side effects from that this is well known and proven in research and actively tested and managed by doctors overseeing patients doing keto for seizure control. In some cases the medication is immediately doubled in the case of some mood stabilisers anti seizure medications because we already know they metabolise faster or less effectively whilst someone is in ketosis so to assume the levels are going up so soon and without a test and ruling out more likely things is dangerous and irresponsible. Please please please everyone I know medication sucks I know antipsychotics can suck the joy out of your very soul like your own real life Harry Potter dementor but keto helps many of us deal with that very side effect because it so often compliments medication and reduces side effects. Whatever you do please look into the research and ask a pharmacist if you have questions as they are free to access and have all the knowledge and expertise about the medication and the state of ketosis on the effects of medication from studying the effects of ketones in diabetes side effects and from their patients on seizure medication non of this is new information there is 100 years of research on this diet and it’s effects please look at that too not just the things being said here or by dr Palmer as he’s only one doctor and he hasn’t yet completed any trials that would be considered credible yet his findings indicate that we need more research more double blind randomised clinical trials which is exactly what he is doing now and that’s fantastic but it’s those trials are not yet complete or peer reviewed and not all research is rated the same there’s checks and balances in place so that people know what is a study that is reliable and unfortunately doctor Palmer has not yet had time to complete work to this standard and even then it must be compared with all the other credible studies findings in order to form a peice of the puzzle and this is I imagine what dr Palmer himself would say and did say about just not knowing at this point because of the lack of research for mental illness specifically
I love these vlogs. My swim coach that coached me threw bipolar mania. Undiagnosed at the time. Said I was an all or nothing preson lol. Now I can pull it in a little but I get really running away on goals and stuff.
❤keep up the great job, because you're amazing ❤
You seem quite balanced, many blessings!
I am so happy that you are doing so well. I always prayed for you and I hope you continue to do well. I don't necessarily agree with your therapist that you are being
overly optimistic about the diet. I think you are basically a very optimistic person and I think this who you are. Unfortunately, your illness did not always allow you
to feel this hopeful but just as Dr. Palmer said you are resilient and very strong and have been able to create a beautiful life with one of the most debilitating mental
illness. Trust me, coming from him is a huge compliment and should make you feel very proud of what you have accomplished.
I agree with her therapist. No long-term studies show dramatic decreases in symptoms of schizophrenia because of a ketogenic diet. My brother is a psychologist and over the years he has had patients try keto for schizophrenia and bipolar. Sadly the results weren't great. A few clients saw minor short-term improvements, but nothing dramatic, and most quit the diet because it is very restrictive and hard to stay on long-term.
It would be beyond awesome if keto could get Lauren off her meds (or help her lower the dosages) and reduce or eliminate her symptoms, but I dont think achizophrenia is a metabolic disorder. Schizoaffecrive disorder is a very challenging illness, and i fully umderstand lauren's hope that keto will change things for her. When my mom got sick with dementia, I went crazy looking up alternative treatments and became convinced that I could stabilize her with all kinds of supplements and diet ideas. I bought all kinds of brain stimulation audio stuff, and even took her to LED red light therapy at a spa. Nothing worked, even though I found research papers claiming that all these treatments held promise and had even stopped the progression of dementia for a few people.
Hope is important, but so is keeping enthusiasm in check. I wouldn’t want keto to fail for Lauren and have the disappointment trigger her. I am rooting for her, and I hope the diet will help, but if it doesnt, there are meds she cam still rely on, and who knows when one day soon a cure for this illness will come out.
@@mygirldarby there was one example of docter palmer who was succesfull on ketogenic diet
@@jeanpaultongeren125 one example is not a research study. I made this same mistake when my mom got dementia. I would read about someone who took a specific supplement or did some kind of therapy amd I would jump on it and get my mom on it, certain it would work for her too. But these were just anecdotal reports and very tiny studies with only a couple of people. I was so desperate for my mom to get better that I would try anything (within reason) that anyone said had worked. It's ok to try alternative therapies, but people need to remain realistic. Diet has not been shown to eliminate symptoms of schizophrenia in any large-scale study.
I suggest you get a copy of Dr. Chris Palmer's book Brain Energy and watch his interview on the Andrew Huberman podcast this might change your opinion.
about the ketogenic diet and its efficacy treating mental illness. Dr. Palmer has been using this treatment for many years and has helped many people put their
illness into remission. I also suggest you check out the RUclips channel Metabolic Mind. I also do not think anyone has the right to question anybody's hope or optimism. My hope is that one day mental illness will be treated with a diet and lifestyle intervention just like Type 2 diabetes and Heart disease and the Psychologist and Psychiatrists
will start treating the cause of the disease rather than the symptoms. Have a lovely day.
@@mygirldarbydementia is very hard to treat, it’s prevention that matters most in this case. Many people heal schizophrenia with diet changes.. if diet changes won’t help, then what will? No one is born schizophrenic, it develops later on for a reason, something triggered it and toxins in environment and food definitely has something to do with it.
Apparently white grapefruit juice potentiates many medications. I noticed this effect while I was on strong painkillers but it also potentiates many other commonly prescribed meds.
Yes many anti psychotic meds have it in the insert to not eat grapefruit because it can disrupt your medication absorption and interact negatively with your med.
But not in a good way.
Like it makes you need less meds or more meds?
You’re lucky having each other, partner who’s living with you good and bad times ❤❤ Good luck
Dry erase marker for the win! I love peanut butter cups. I like Reese's but the ones from trader joes are my go-to. Recently I saw a video where he made peanut butter balls with honey, crushed rice cake, peanut butter and then dipped in chocolate. I gave them a go and they weren't bad. Less sugar since you can have control over how much you use (or as much control as the universe lets us have)
Thank you, folks!
My son 30 yrs old has schiz. and must say it was hell for some time, he was very violent, the turning point for him - he was being released from jail and nowhere to go, my two daughters and grandson lived with us as well and they did not want him to come back because of his violent behavior,. We decided to take him to the park and talk, we told him the only way he could go home was to check in a mental behavior clinic first.He agreed and they put him on ( forgot what its called ) where he takes a monthly shot. This made a world of difference.He is no longer violent and he gets along with everybody at home, holding a part-time job but he still have symptoms but he is doing well. He probably will live with us a along time.The mental health system is broken, terrible. Thank God you have a supportive husband. I am going to be blunt honest , " if it wasnt for my wife i probably would have given up on him, because of the hurt he did to his sisters ", But he is doing well and i will pray for you and the family.
-40 Celsius wow 🥶
have a nice day everyone!
Can I ask a salient question? Does Nicole Laurent have either Schizo aAffective disorderr or Schizophrenia? Because if not, I don't think a kook should be teling someone who has Schizo Affective Disorder that their brain is healing and they should be reducing their medication. Because what will eventually happen is psychosis, hospitalisation to stabilise you and a realisation that any diet, Keto or otherwise, does not work. Do you want to take that risk?
Schizoaffective dx here. While I see where you’re coming from with the first point and agree that potentiation should be presented as one of several explanations that require further reflection and consultation, I take issue with your pre-emptive conclusion that Lauren is going to end up in psychosis and back in the hospital if she reduces meds.
That’s a rote line that people with psychotic disorders hear all the time. It positions people like myself and Lauren in automatic deficit, with the world essentially setting us up for failure for daring to be autonomous and for thinking critically about the highly problematic medical model.
Statements like this also play into the false narrative that we are a monolith who need to adhere to a singular method of treatment. In reality, meds may help some of us, metabolic interventions may help others, and uncovering deeply-buried traumas may be the solution for yet another set of people.
hi Laura, I am so sorry. i am in the same boat. i am praying for you.
Thank you , Wow , that is Really Cold . Keeping you in Prayer :] QC
God, you and Rob are a blast. Yes, glucose levels can affect the mind. A little question: When inside the soccer stadium, did the bright lights made you feel better? Please take care Lauren.
I can’t even fathom that temp! I’m from NH but it’s never been below -15 or so as long as I’ve been alive
Thank you for sharing your journey and all the information you are able to get exposed to first hand, it can be potentially useful for others that are also struggling with similar or different issues. Crossing my fingers that your psychiatrist will be able to help you asap with the sedation. be well Lauren...
Your work here on youtube it's incredible! Thank you for everything that you do. Saudações do Brasil.
You’re kicking ass. I’m still dunking fries and eating pizza.
Same
Pizza is good for you, 😊.
I love cardio, it's a great form of exercise for this illness I think. When I used to prioritize strength training and lifting weights it kinda ruined my health for years. Now that i shifted my mindset to cardio it's helping with tons of physical issues I guess.
Last nights workout was practicing running from the cops, then burpees for when they eventually catch me and that's all that I can do in prison because being homeless sucks. Schizoaffective disorder sucks! lol
I’m happy you found a snack that was tasty!
I’ve had to stop buying keto swaps.
We have a phrase. “It tastes like sadness or it Tastes of sadness.” When we get a product that is disappointing.
Thank you!
Thanks!
Give a good swift kick to that soccer ball...nice field to play on...keep chug'in...
how do you become so motivated. i take my medications everyday and feel so sluggish. i cant even get up in the morning.
Now I have that Ramones song "I want to be sedated" looping in my head.
I knew Edmonton & Alberta in general was freaking cold, but I didn't know it was this freaking cold lol like -40??? That's crazy!
I may have misunderstood but it seems concerning for electrolytes to be required if the keto diet is well balanced?
It isn't well-balanced.
Having a similar condition, I went full carnivore but, it wasn't for that. It was for arthritis I had since my early 20's. It saved me from several joint replacements. I'm not going into all the other benifits I've noticed but I do have something to say about your needing to take electrolytes and supplements. The problem is the vegetables.. They block the nutrients and vitamins in your meat and meat fats from being absorbed by the body. Many plants are pushed on us for the nutrients and vitamins yet, they don't tell you that they usually have chemicals that block the absorption by the body as a natural defense. Remove them and you will get everything you need from the meat and fats. The only thing extra you need is salt and some people do need magnesium that can be found in electrolyte drinks to avoid leg cramping at night. In some ways it's more difficult to stick to than keto but, it's a step beyond in the benifits category. I'm not saying you should do it but, it wouldn't hurt anything to look into it a little.
This is completely untrue. All of it. Please please dont listen to this person. Humans are not carnivores. Vegans have the longest lifespans for a reason. Plants are healthy to eat. It's that simple. Don't be misled.
@@mygirldarby you need to dig a little deeper into your research, you really do.
love from ireland
66 blood glucose is a little low. Ideally you want to be between 70-90. Hyperglycemia could be making you tired too…I’d bring that up to the doc just to check in about.
I wonder where you get the keto mojo from? Is it available in Canada?
Also, amazing you got 6.1 ketones one day! How did you achieve that? The highest I've seen for myself is 4.6 (a rare thing) and I don't think I felt that great but I'm still on my same dose of antipsychotic medication.
It's not usually that high - more typical range for me is high 2s or low 3s to low 5s. But my ketone levels always seem to spike after exercise and that 6.1 was after exercising. I think different people feel differently at different ketone levels and so it's important to check in with how you're feeling at the different levels! The GKI level has also been helpful for checking in with how I'm feeling.
Thank you kindly! I will definitely start paying attention to how I feel in relation to the gki and the like! @@LivingWellwithSchizophrenia
Lookin good g🥂🥂💯
That's it I'm going keto
Love that he knows -40°C=-40°F!
Is it true? How?
Cute and happy family 💕
Absolutely! 😂🤣 What hallucinations feel/sound like! They did a good job!
It’s usually not helpful to ask what they felt like or look like because the person often doesn’t wanna share that. Lots of ppl with hallucinations don’t wanna address then because talking about them too much makes them feel more “real” and it’s important they keep a boundary between the real work and the hallucinated one
Can you explain more what you mean by "medical keto"? In the video you did with the Harvard prof he talks about all the keto stuff from Costco which is apparently not really keto. Is medical keto just being followed by a medical professional or is there a tangible difference?
I think she did do some videos about medical keto. She and Rob did a crowd funder to fund all this, the coaches etc., and Lauren also actively looked for a psychiatrist who was into keto. She made sure she had a lot of support. I think medically she is looking to switch her body over to burning fats for the effects it has on her metabolism, and her psychiatric conditions rather than for weight loss. Her version of the keto diet is quite strict in terms of limiting carbs. That's all I know off the top of my head.
I know that medical Keto is generally more high fat than "pedestrian" version. I also think that they want to limit processed/packaged foods as much as possible. They might fall into line with keto macros, but are not great in terms of overall ingredients/nutrition.
I cna't do any sport with a ball. I can't track things (even reading). I have strabismus, and eye condition, they don't focus. I read with one eye. I understand about being sedated. When I was first on medication, they didn't know what dosage to put me on. So, I was over medicated. I just wanted to sleep, so hard to go to groups.
I spent some time in hospital last year and was taking the medication it didn't help much the shot they gave me in the er and when they released me didn't take the medication this homeless with fact of all the stress of living on the streets and being in a hallucinations environment is really taking a toll
When your legs burn you are burning muscle not fat. I know because I walked the Appalachian Trail from Georgia to Maine a little over 2000 miles carrying 70lbs, I had trouble with my legs burning and the doc I went to see told me I had increase calorie intake over 8000 a day with a lot of fat added to the diet.Slim Jim's and squeeze parkay both added a lot of fat. Eating 8000 calories a day is not easy.
Hockey would cheer me up on a cooold day.
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Try some hemp seeds and hemp seed oil. It should make you feel better.
Good peeps!!
do you live in canada
i also was diagnosed with schizophrenia but after i stopped taking my meds (olenzapine) I found out I had depressed instead.
Are you supplementing exogenous ketones? Esters are salts?
Have you tried a plant base diet?
You seem to live the life of 3 active people and that with schizoaffective disorder! You and Rob are amazing. You also have a psychiatrist who listens and treats you with respect. Please do not risk what you have with a Keto (forgive me) obsession. It has merits for weight loss but schizophrenic disorders require the best existing specialized treatments. And they too require advancement. I worry…
I couldn't agree more. To me it feels like the videos are turning into one big ad for various keto products and a lifestyle only few of us can afford, all backed up by a "nutritionist" who wants to sell her keto products and service.
She jumped on the weird keto bandwagon . Terribly dangerous for someone with a serious illness . Never trust an lmhc over an MD!!
There is scientific research for KETO and schizophrenia- thats where this whole thing started
I have the same glasses frame as Rob: Tom Ford.
Are you on aripiprazole
where do you live that it is so cold?
Cardio is a use or lose thing as we age. I can still lift. Cardio, not so much
I think GKI could have been explained in more detail, the relevance of it was very vaguely talked about.
For the potassium and the like check out Snake Juice. I would leave out the salt.
When my son was not on a prescription, it was a nightmare for over 2 years. He would often talk about going to live in the bush. He had long hair and a beard. When people talk about people with schizophrenia or bipolar disorder messing with their meds, it gives me PTSD. I just think it is talked about so lightly on here. It makes me think this is a person who has never had a loved one with this illness, they don't seem to have any idea of the consequences of no prescription. This just seems like a way to make money. There's no benefit to this because people have been messing around with diets and supplements for decades. People shouldn't experiment with mental illness especially when they have children. In my opinion. I'm pretty sure they do research globally. ( When my son is sick he wants to get a job, go get a degree to become a professor or have an office, go to the gym and so on. He never wants to sleep. He will wander around trying to get jobs until the police are called and he will go to the college and hang out there every day all day until they also call the police on him. There's something about achieving that he is fixated on and it's not healthy. It's related to hormones I think, it's biological.) Aripiprazole reduces dopamine activity where it is too high, helping with symptoms like hallucinations. Dopamine is a hormone. Which makes me think thyroid gland or pituitary gland. Which is above metabolism.
Lots of us do the medical keto diet with supervision and stay on our medications but I too am saddened to see how flippantly people and in particular the “keto experts” response to this is. I felt that doctor Palmers response to Lauren’s obvious hope and anticipation of being able to lower medication was far more balanced and appropriate that waiting for 6 months to see if it was helping before doing anything to medication doses and also his warnings about the risk of starting the therapy were appropriate. I think the therapist is being much more balanced in her reflection of the situation than the keto lady or Lauren and I so hope that Lauren can see some of this it’s still so so early and starting the therapy is known to have short term effects on mental health medication metabolism and all over physical health. Jumping to the conclusion that it’s potentiation when there’s so many other more likely factors to rule out first is extremely irresponsible of the keto coach who has obviously not read the research on the much more likely effects of the early stages of ketogenic therapy. I so worried that people will see this and think that they too can have this unrealistic and unsubstantiated response to keto so early on and there is plenty of research to show the blood levels of medication and simple tests that will show if the metabolism of the medication has changed it’s actually more common for the medical keto diet to cause the blood levels of certain medications to drop and to have side effects from that this is well known and proven in research and actively tested and managed by doctors overseeing patients doing keto for seizure control. In some cases the medication is immediately doubled in the case of some mood stabilisers anti seizure medications because we already know they metabolise faster or less effectively whilst someone is in ketosis so to assume the levels are going up so soon and without a test and ruling out more likely things is dangerous and irresponsible. Please please please everyone I know medication sucks I know antipsychotics can suck the joy out of your very soul like your own real life Harry Potter dementor but keto helps many of us deal with that very side effect because it so often compliments medication and reduces side effects. Whatever you do please look into the research and ask a pharmacist if you have questions as they are free to access and have all the knowledge and expertise about the medication and the state of ketosis on the effects of medication from studying the effects of ketones in diabetes side effects and from their patients on seizure medication non of this is new information there is 100 years of research on this diet and it’s effects please look at that too not just the things being said here or by dr Palmer as he’s only one doctor and he hasn’t yet completed any trials that would be considered credible yet his findings indicate that we need more research more double blind randomised clinical trials which is exactly what he is doing now and that’s fantastic but it’s those trials are not yet complete or peer reviewed and not all research is rated the same there’s checks and balances in place so that people know what is a study that is reliable and unfortunately doctor Palmer has not yet had time to complete work to this standard and even then it must be compared with all the other credible studies findings in order to form a peice of the puzzle and this is I imagine what dr Palmer himself would say and did say about just not knowing at this point because of the lack of research for mental illness specifically
@@savingpeace8452 I read in more than one place that a ketogenic diet is not meant to be long term. If people are getting any benefit from it, we still don't know at what cost. -Popular keto diet may be linked to higher risk of heart disease-, cardiac events. New UBC research suggests that the ketogenic or “keto” diet - a popular weight-loss diet that involves consuming low amounts of carbohydrates and high amounts of fats - may pose an increased risk to cardiovascular health. Google Mar 7, 2023
Lauren shave her head once on video. She sat there with a great big beaming smile.
I'm a former psychiatric nurse and it just reminded me of someone who was becoming hypomanic, her mood elevating to an unhelpful level. It concerned me.
@@india1422 I was concerned by that video too. Everyone praised her in the comments, and I was thinking...this seems quite mentally unwell.
Now to you report to the company that you found their marker?
Might get free product
Celsus and Fahrenheit are not the same, lol. Nice video.
"Celsius and Fahrenheit use completely different measurements - for instance, water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius, but 32 degrees Fahrenheit
However, the two temperature scales happen to intersect at one frigid position: minus 40 degrees. The reason is that, because a degree in Celsius is larger than one in Fahrenheit, the two meet up in the same way a runner who's moving faster than another runner can eventually. "
They are if it's -40 degrees. It's where they intersect.
What, if anything, is the difference between sedated and tired?
I can attempt to speak to this. I’ve been on anti-psychotics and have experienced long-term fatigue from other causes, such as work-related burnout.
In my case, sedation from antipsychotics involved morning tiredness to the point where waking up was difficult, a hard time emoting/creating facial expressions, and difficulty thinking and speaking clearly. I would compare it to the feeling of waking up from fainting and trying to reorient the self.
For me, chronic fatigue involved being able to wake up in the morning for a few hours but then experiencing afternoon exhaustion. My brain felt like oatmeal and I got tired from doing simple tasks. But it didn’t feel like waking from a coma, it just felt like a slog.
TL;DR: Antipsychotic sedation, for me, is like being in a dream state. Fatigue is like trudging through water. It’s similar, but distinct.
For me, when I was briefly on a sedating antipsychotic, I had a hard time waking up at all and it makes your mind foggier, reactions slower, and movement very difficult.
Cramping: seems to also be low calcium stores. Note the common otc crap (calcium only) doesn't work, the only studies that report positive results are based on calcium intake from the diet, or therapeutic interventions which include the necessary phosphorus.
Correlation of calcium and magnesium intakes to frequency of muscle cramps in female college athletes, 2009.
No muscle cramps since using freeda's calcium phosphate powder. Now only from their website. 'They' really are making it hard to obtain things that actually work/are essential to stay healthy
(proof: baby formulas have the phosphorus)
-40?????? Yikes! It was windchill -20F a few days ago and I thought that was insane.
It’s a dry cold. Old joke. Doesn’t make us feel better.
Over 90% of people who are on the keto diet aren't actually in a state of ketosis, and thus aren't producing the ketones that are the necessary biochemicals that give the benefits of the diet.
That's probably true .
I didn't know this, where did find this out?
-40?! I’m miserable when it’s below 60 F. I would not be able to hang there 🥶
I find the comment about psychiatric being"scared" to reduce medication because they are worried about liability. Who knows more about mental health? The ketp cosch? She had s vests interested. Making money. We all have to make morning to live. But be aware that we all have our busses. The keto coach is no exception
I tend to agree with Nicole's summation of hesitancy for some health providers in agreeing to change dosages. Some even have a difficult time to admit to mistakes. But there are good ones out there too, which a lot of patients flock to and keep them very busy. 👍
They can be hesitant to lower dosages because it can cause a patient to go into psychosis. It's a serious consideration. And those doctors _are_ good ones. A doctor who doesn't automatically do what a mentally ill patient wants them to do based on her belief that a new diet is making her brain "work better" is not a bad doctor. That is sensible. The woman she speaks with, Nicole, does not have the medical training of a medical doctor and probably shouldn't be deciding that Lauren feels sedated because keto is helping her. She is just guessing and that guess could land Lauren in a psychiatric hospital.
@@mygirldarby I agree with you on those occasions, but the fact remains as what I've already said from my 30+ years of experience with dealing with patients directly. I didn't say that those ones are bad, just hesitant and without having accurate blood levels of such medications in their system, it can be both under or over recommended levels in the patients blood stream. Without further investigation from the patient's complaints, there is no way of knowing either way.
If patients reduce medication but down the line don't stick to the keto diet, the patient will be at risk
A question for everybody: Do you feel mental health gets worse during Fall and/or Winter?
It annoyed me when your nutritionist refered to your psychiatrist as a prescriber. Obviously psychiatrists prescribe meds but they do so much more, they are medical professionals. Felt a little derogatory?
Prescriber could also be a blanket term to encompass psychiatrist, general practitioner, or nurse practitioner. Not all people prescribed psych meds have a psychiatrist.
okay, sorry, my bad. English isn't my first language and where I'm from, you absolutely need a psychiatrist to get a prescription for psych meds as GPs aren't allowed to prescribe them. Good to know! @@80islandia
@@Lisa-td5qdInteresting to know that difference regarding prescribing psych meds in different parts of the world! Thanks for sharing.
Overall the keto coach did speak about psychiatrists in a negative light. I think it shows that she is biased and arrogant. She is a coach and didn't go to med school. She has no ability to prescribe anything, and it's irresponsible to suggest a change in medication. But, let's be honest. This entire experiment is not an experiment at all. The entire plan revolves around reducing medication. It is what Lauren WANTS to do and the keto coach has a personal and professional stake in making that happen. Lauren has said in the past that she has delusions about her meds. I feel for her and wish she didn't need them but think she does. I feel bad for her because this keto coach is literally playing into that delusion imo. I feel worse for her audience who may try this without medical support and suffer for it. I think this content is highly irresponsible. People with schizophrenia look up to her. I don't have schizophrenia and have no stake in the outcome of this. It can't hurt me. It absolutely can hurt someone else who tries to emulate her.
I didn't find it that way, I think it's a way to refer to a clinical person
-40 Celsius outside? Did I hear that right? Not sure I believe that with bear skin on the face exposed.
I have Bipolar Disorder with Paranoid Schizophrenia.