Who's the BEST Anti-Large Monster? - Warhammer 2 Showdown
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We'll test to see which is the best anti-large single entity monster in the whoooole of Warhammer 2, with a few other questions answered along the way.
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The main thing here is poison; it's HUGE in 1v1. That explains why the spiders and Kharibdys did so well.
Kharibdys is getting to use all its tools (poison, damage, antilarge, etc) and isn't paying for things (high armor that is useless against AP monsters, range, speed, magic/fire damage, etc) that aren't useful.
And the Kharibdys is slow and low armor... So the price is fair
@@Tuliene-hf4zk Right. In a normal battle it can get taken down by low tier units that the Necrosphinx just shrugs off.
Poison isn't just huge in 1v1, take chosen GW for example. Chosen have 50 weapon damage per model. Let's assume 30 chosen are going to be fighting at any one time.
Well 30 models * 50 WD is 1500 WD fighting at any one time; poisoning them brings that down to 1200 WD. Poison is just a really good debuff in all situations, and it got SOOOO much better when ranged units like skinks stopped friendly fire poisoning. Chameleons can be anywhere and poison the enemies key units on demand and even if they don't do that much damage against an armored target they still reduce it's damage by a significant amount
@@alexreid5843 Yeah chameleons probably benefit more from the change than anything as it synergizes so well with their monster lineup. Also really nice for the Night Gobbo Archers.
@@alexreid5843 You forgot about the -18% Vigour on poison. Hitting those fatigue levels can be as "small" as -5% MA and -10% damage to a loss for all stats ranging from -10% to -30% (for those who dont know, yes that also means armour)on top of the standard posion effects. So yes its not surprising.
that carnosaur animation on the abomination is soooo good
apparently a good chunk of the animations are just animators doing stuff on their own time.
Obviously a lot of passion put in to these works.
@@HellecticMojo Can't wait for Warhammer 3. Developers have proven to be very passionate. The DLC is probably a push from Games Workshop and other departments in CA
@@caketakeshh blood dlc is a rumored to be something that gets the age rating lower for initial product.
GW does not control DLC release. That's dumb for every party involved if that's the case.
HellecticMojo basically GW is more of the “is it lore friendly enough” directors. Case in point, the vampire coast. A good chunk of that was made up by CA but GW obviously gave it their approval.
Also yes, the blood thing is to lower the initial rating but it also makes it easier to get into markets like Australia.
@@caketakeshhI am so sorry, how hopeful we were
Kharibdys is just super dedicated to monster killing. Its unit type is literally monster killer.
Zerkovich: spells Kharybdiss correctly
Also Zerkovich: “O R G E”
lizardmen fans: waiting for best monster list
Beastman fans: waiting for their rework for the updated list XD
HELL YEAH!!!
Tomb kings fans: waiting behind the corner, eagerly anticipating *wapping* the lizards with our exemplary constructs.
YEH BOI!
To be fair the kharibdyss IS a "monster killer" its not as versatile as a hydra so its not surprising its one of the besr
Yea the kharibdiss is supposed to be a monster killer that you can also use to break infantry lines using its fear terror and the leadership drain aura
@Meba Not that being a terror battery is useless. But yeah, compared to a Hydra...
Lizardmen: laugh's in shredder of lustria.
SoL is trash, it dies too quickly
@@solareclipse9379 longer then anyone else
@@solareclipse9379 the dread saurians benefit from those single target md buffs
@@skywillfindyou no, bastiladon, for example. Will last longer in middle of halbediers, or under volley of arrows. Not to mention it size, every single artillery shell will hit him.
@@trazyntheinfinite9895 you have no reasons (or funds) to bring more the one in one stack. And, Big monstrous creatures are rare in enemy armies. Small, and medium targets are too hard to hit, and they, hit him with every hit.
Spider wins because archers o its back are applying poison constantly whereas other monsters that apply poison needs to get in a hit to apply it. If they can't hit like twice in a row, poison wears out.
To be fair to the Terrorgheist: It's a VC unit, meaning it's balanced with the support that a VC lord can provide it in mind, notably of course the Invocation of Nehek.
Some people complain about Vampire magic being strong, but it really has to be.
@@calebcampbell9280 anyone who has tried to defend a VC settlement with a garrison w/ no Lord knows this pain
Yeah as a flying unit it should also be able to pick its battles much better than in this kind of 1v1. Maybe missile cav, though they might do some damage against it coming in being a fast flying unit it can catch up, smack a breath attack down at them and drop. Likewise cav that rely a lot on their charge bonus can be a good one seeing as you get the charge and they don't. Great for rear charging some things like trolls to.
@@calebcampbell9280 i think the real problem is that the magic is to key for them, buff up there roster some at the cost of the lore of vampires getting worse in general, particularly for vampire coast as it has lore of vampires and cost effective guns, chaff and everything really
@@calebcampbell9280 yeah vampires units are utter crap
I think it would have been fair to give the Terrorgheist one breath attack since it is made for single entities and you could surely get at least one off before engaging another monster. Also plays a decent part in its cost if you compare the other stats with similarly priced ones.
Yeah it would have beaten the carnos handily if it got its bonus vs large breathe attack off which is actually a “magic missile” in on the game handles it kinda like warp fire throwers. It shoots less missiles than say a star dragon but has good ap/bonus vs large in those missiles. It’s a huge mistake for this test.
Agreed. That's usually how I play the TG anyway. 1 breath attack to soften them up and then charge in for the kill.
When it comes to units with breath weapons (or similar effects, like the Arcane Phoenix's firestorm) - I think it's probably worthwhile letting them have ONE shot of the ability. It's true that it's not going to be efficient letting these units just flit around waiting for the ability to recharge, but it's probably not unreasonable that they'll fire it off once before they get stuck in. Particularly those with breath weapons more oriented towards hitting single entities rather than splashing through units.
the kharibdyss, in the same way a lot of other dark elf units are designed specifically as counters to their counterparts, is designed to kill other monsters, so im not at all surprised it excelled in this scenario
So for the kharibdis, they actually buffed it some time ago. Think was a health buff and cost decrease. Mainly because you never see it, since dark elves dont need it with all their armor piercing missiles. Terrorghiest flies and can disengage, then charge at the back easily. Shaggoth is super fast, so easy to disengage, etc. Poison is super powerful against other strong monsters because it is a percentage.
Personal note, I dont get why chaos gets nerfed so often when they are super out dated and weak. Bird lost missile resist, kholek got easier to shoot, hellcannon accuracy sucks, etc. Its just spawn and shaggoth rush at this point. Feels bad
Chaos just used to dominated the meta at some point and so they got nerfed a little and powercrept a lot.
Spawn are good because they got a cost decrease, I think. They aren't bad really, but I would like to see more variety. Even more reasons to wait for game three.
Kharibdis just isn't very good because of the roster it is in. It isn't that surprising that it does so well one on one, but it just doesn't fit in the roster. DE absolutely have zero issues slaughtering monsters with darkshards/shades. They also don't like wasting space and money on a really slow, overspecialized monster. A Hydra is pretty much always a better choice.
If Kharibdis belongs to a faction like VC or Greenskins, or even Tomb Kings, it would be fantastic.
Even though i knew the Hell Pit Abomination wouldnt win, i was still proud with how well it did in it.
Would make his obese dad proud.
Next time skaven will win yes-yes
Me too Yes yes!
Honestly, it's kind of weird that the Carnosaur is anti-large whilst the Stegadons are anti-infantry. Fact of the matter is, the horns on the Stegadon, which are obviously inspired by real world ceratopsid dinosaurs would have developed in order to fight opponents of the same size or larger than the Stegadon whereas the set of teeth and claws on the Carnosaur seems to be aimed towards smaller targets, rather than bigger ones.
Well, Ceratopsid dinosaurs were herbivores, so the whole "hunting large animals" vibe wouldn't work. And the Carnosaur looks more like a raptor really than a T-Rex, who did take on prey larger than themselves.
I think the idea hear is that the Stegadon is a far better infantry bulldozer than the Carnosaur ever could be, while the Carnosaur specifically gets an anti large bonus do to it's habit of killing creatures like the Stegadon.
The lore implies that carnosaurs have a big advantage over stegadons in a fight, and drove Lustria's dragons to extinction by ambushing them in their caves. It's a bit more vicious than a real life T-rex.
as far as the real-world dinos go.. the T-rex hunted triceratops. we know this for a fact, since triceratops has bitemarks from T-rex which have healed. then again the triceratops has specifically evolved to fight off the T-rex as well... sooo.. it's complicated i guess IRL they would both be both anti-large and anti-infantry. in any case, real life T-rex would have strong attack, high speed, low defence weak armor. Triceratops would have medium attack, medium speed, strong defence strong armor. T-rex skin would not be tough, since it wouldn't have to be, and it would need enough speed to chase down the triceratops. if you take it further tho.. IRL, you only need 1 bullet from a 12.7mm elephant gun to take down an elephant. but you need to hit either it's heart or it's brain. before elephant guns, the preferred ways to fight off elephant were either javelins or ballistas. another way was to cut off it's trunk and drive it mad with pain, and trample friendly troops. but other than that, an elephant would absolutely decimate friendly ranks. a stegadon would likely be even more devastating, there would be no trunk to cut off. instead there would be a heavily armoured low-slung head designed to resist the crushing jaws of one of the fiercest predators in lustria. a triceratops skull weighs about as much as a medium size car. stegadon probably the same. it could kill you by laying it's head on top of you. at full speed it would be an unstoppable plow.
I never imagined there would be a situation for Grimgore to say, "Yasss Queen!" but here we are.
Actually, Zerk, once you drop below 50% *leadership* you lose the frenzy buff.
It's not 50% HP you silly goose :p
He might be silly but at least he isn't faux. I bet you're secretly a pidgeon in disguise
@@sjeggy6 Maybe I really am a goose and that's just what I want you to think.
(O V E R 4 Y E A R S O F T W W E X P E R I E N C E)
@@fauxgoose3384 we're all doomed now.
I know you are goose u cant fool me
Poison brings down weapon damage by a percentage so its really really good against large monsters.
From what I've gathered in Campaigns, I'd guess
1: Tomb Kings
2: Dark Elves
3: Chaos
Damn. I really didn't expect that, well played
Right? Surprise greenskins! Cheeky gits, nabbin‘ me crown!
DAS IT BOIZ!!!! We two time champs.
WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!
Cheating because u left away the best Dwarf Infantry because Zer didn’t want to watch his Boiz lose the melee infantry contest. 🤔😜
@@camel348 Listen here you stunty loving git. Everyone knows they are just a bunch of cheaters with their boom sticks and squars. Wez da best and we proved it twice now where it matters!!!!
It's the terrorgoose, obviously.
Love this series of videos, between these and the army guides you're the best tww2 youtuber
I just wish there were more animations with monsters interacting... It kind of gives it more "life like" appearance.
wow the animation between the hellpit abom and the carnosaur, amazing!
i watched all videos of the series, very good insight on matchups.
My boy Kharibdyss putting in *work*
Gotta be honest, the number 1 spot surprised me a little. I mean, I knew that this monster would rank fairly high, but I absolutely didn't expect it to beat the Sphinx and I also thought it would lose to the Shaggoth.
Its all in the poison. Poison is percentage based which shaved off a big part of the necrosphinx's damage or melee attack.
You should probably put all of these videos into a playlist.
you also need to recall Kharibdyss have a third, unique leadership debuff in addition to fear and terror. So they were actually able to debuff enemy leadership when the other monsters couldn't since units with fear and terror are also immune to fear and terror.
He did mention it.
@@rubz1390 woops, my bad
Really enjoy these videos mate! Keep 'em comming!
1:00 - 1:33 I love that footage of the War Mammoth! Still one of my favorite units in the game and it looks great!
the Shaggoth and Arachnarok .. head into the sunset . 33:40
Should've tested them against all variants of the Dread Saurian, pretty sure the Shredder wins any 1v1
It should, but I fear the worst
shredder certainly beats anything in the game 1v1. Huge weapon strength, huge hp pool, poison missiles, leadership debuff effect
rinserofwinds I tested it myself it does beat everyone
@@wasifabdullah2997 the only thing it can't beat is the campaign exclusive unbreakablee star dragon, that thing is a fucking beast
@@latlatko Is that one of Imrik's dragons? Haven't played his campaign before.
Kharibdyss has also the constant leadership debuff which gives a lot of utility as a lot of monsters have low leadership
I found it fan-freaking-tastic that in the last battle the Shagoth and Spider just ran off into the sunset together
I could never have imagined it would end like that....a surprise to be sure but a welcome one...I guess I will give dark elves another go to test this deep-sea monster in the campaign. I never used it that much as I always use hydras instead because of their tankiness due to regeneration.
Love it, cheers mate!
Feels a bit unfair for the TerrorGeist, as it couldn't use all it's potential in this kind of matchup, but he'll probably have more chances to shine
I think most vampire units are underwhelming when used in a 1 on 1 fight(that gets amplified when the non VC unit has fear or terror since the undead innate fear/terror wont work) since they are balanced around the magic.
For the terrorgheist you can heal it quick with invocation and The Curse of Undeath buff the speed and melee attack with Vanhel's Danse Macabre
and Okkam's mindrazor from shadows. So healing or 24 MA +speed for charges or just 40% damage on a largely AP unit. Or just fly off a bit and regen both hp and vigor to get armour back, oh and corpse carts.
So potential is there due to how the faction works but that wont show in a test like this.
I would have let it drop a single breath attack first, but I'm not sure it matters much. You're paying for the mobility and the synergy with Invocation of Nehek, and you don't get either here.
Exactly. The terrorgiest is an incredibly strong unit that IS good against monsters. But it would be unbalanced if it could win 1v1 against these other monsters without taking advantage of cycle charging, breath attacks, and magic/healing.
I've often found its greatest initial use in Campaign at least is to fly along the line of battle adding in the terror debuff and using breath attack on a high value target. Obviously this sort of test is especially artificial as it excludes the many overlapping factors that are in effect in a full battle, as you and many others have rightly said.
Without watching: Necrophinx
Edit: Dammit :D
Lol arachnarok won
I feel like some units should be immune to poison. A construct made from stone being one of them.
Can you do tests with monsters vs a single unit of infantry. Test who wipes a unit fastest
Keep in mind that melee in this game is -extremely- RNG-heavy, especially in duels like this. You'd need a really big sample size to account for that. If you have a 50 melee attack monster attacking a 40 melee attack monster, every individual attack has a 50% hit chance!
Sure, but over the course of a combat, there will be a couple dozen attack attempts, which brings that 50/50 hit chance into a nice binomial distribution with a big center lobe.
Even then, Zerk is doing the combat 5 times in each battle, and if it's not a 5-0 or 4-1 result, he re-runs it to get more data. He's doing what's needed to average the RNG effects out.
Assuming 0 melee defence it'd actually be a 90% chance of hitting for the monster with 50 ma
@@lucasbeck1391 I think base to hit was reduced from that 40 to 35% in warhammer 2 and the minimum is at 8% now from the 10% of warhammer 1. The max is still 90%(i am not sure about this one tbh)
@@Thund3r0v huh didn't know that
I felt that the Terrorgheist was a bit under-utilized here. It's biggest advantage, flight, wasn't used at all after the initial attack. Pretty sure with just one or two disengagements + breath attacks, it would've won against the Carnosaurs easily.
Ive noticed even in the army placement before fights that Kharibdyss if you watch them after placing and wait a bit they will just randomly over time rotate to facing a totally different direction. Not sure if its a multiple heads animation thing or what but I too have noticed this.
Well. In my humble opinion, the feral Carnosaur is still the coolest of them all.
I can respect that.
Clearly there should be an armed variant of the Carnosaur, other than the mount variants that has armor and side mounted mini-gu...rapid fire blow guns.
@@wargrizzero5158 nothing less would be accepted.
Holy crap. I basically only play nations without mosterous creatures so I had never seen that Carno vs abomination animation. That was hilariously awsome.
Something I learned from these videos: vampire counts monsters suck nuts even though they are supposed to compensate for the faction's lack of ranged units
So was the Dread Saurian not included simply because it wouldn't be a competition if it were in?
EDIT: Wait, you're pitting generic monsters against RoRs without pumping them up to rank 9? How is that a fair comparison?
@@horakhty2217 Yeah, I was thinking that as well. Makes me wonder how he's going test asymmetric units like anti-infantry monsters and cav, or artillery. You can't just have them fight each other. Maybe he'll have them fight units of zombies and see how many they can kill per minute or something like that.
No Dread Saurian for any test, even at the end?
**Angry Dawi Noises**
would really like to see a duelist and melee hero (wight king, captain, paladin etc.) videos
Shaggoth and Spider went off together to have a brewhouse or two of bugmans after that bout in the end.
Kharibdys has some animation attacks were it strikes from a bit of an angle and if they are hit when positioning for that they are no longer face to face and then pathfinding makes a mess of positioning for the next attack as they are in range but not angled face to face properly
The terrorgheist breathe attack is actually meant for large single entities or cav. It has less “missiles” than other breathe attacks but actually does bonus vs large damage so you would use the breathe attack at least once before committing it to melee
after all these best ofs, you should pit the winners of each for a best of the best!
High melee attack is important, the huge damage don't matter if you cant land a hit, still didn't expect that one to win though
The kharibdis has one job. It's not a very versatile unit. It shouldn't cost as much as the more versatile units but it should at least be good at its one job. Or what is the point of it?
Id love to see you do an artillery one of these
Love these lists
I love who is the best series ... just keep them coming .. apart from who is the best total war RUclipsr ... you would have decisive victory every time
Hydras are hella strong so the anti large version I knew would easily make it much farther then most. It has good states, better healing then the normal regen. Granted not using special weapons but still.
Getting beat out by a arachnarock doesn't shock me
About the shaggoth: it has speed.
I don't think much more has to be said (although the sphinx does as well). The karibdys is also larger, so can suffer more from halberd surrounds etc.
It is good against infantry too if it is not overwhelmed
The Kharybdis is great, but DE has few uses for it since they've had a lot of antilarge tools (shades, darkshard, ballista chariot)
That animation in the end of the T-rex was awesome
i woulda liked to have seen some giants mixed in, i find that even though they dont have anti large, there high weapon damage, atk. and leadership makes them really strong monster killers
Honestly it feels like their best use
This was awesome
I must have said it before, but it would be really nice to have the unit cards of the units that are fighting on the screen all the time.
Was waiting for Shredder to pop up and embarrass everyone. Still, great video!
I feel like the spider overperformed, with the gobbo's on it's back and the poison effect it feels like a more versatile until in battle so it coming so high in this strikes me as a massive win.
The Kharibdyss almost totally conversely is specialized to kill monsters. Bit disappointed it didn't win outside of RoR but with the ranged options available to DE I imagine it would in any real battle situation where you can season your spider with some fresh peppered bolts.
Who else was gonna watch only a bit but stayed for the whole show? This is surprisingly fun to watch.
My fav faction are the Vampire Counts, and i would love to love the Terrorgheist, but whenever i employ them, they just shriek and i never see them actually attacking anything.
Arachnarok spider also has strider, would defeat any large units in trees easily.
well the point I think is that you can group 3 +ogre shagoths to take out one phoenix guard unit whereas you ll probably have an issue doing that with a charybdis or a queen due to their size. Also for the same reason and the lack of stuns in their attacks those units may suffer more health loss in such a matchup. Sagoths have half the size of a necrosphyx so it is much easier to maneuver around. After all those single entities really shine when stacked into groups... That being said in a campaign most of those units will never meet each other.
Gotta say, I'm wondering about if they didn't have any RoR. How would the regular spiders and necrosphinx do? Oh you do this! Wonderful. What about Dreadsaurian vs Spider Queen?
It's pretty stupid for a terrorgheist to be anti large tbf. It looks like it weighs ten times less than the second smallest monster. What's it's going to do? Flap its wings at it?
Well... There's monsters that are anti-large because they are good for fighting monsters and there's monsters that are anti-large because they are good for fighting cav, and the Terrorgheist is the latter. In the lore, it's screams can be used to make even bretonnian warhorses panic and horses are also one of its primary food sources (well, in life, that is. Once they are undead, they probably mostly run on dark magic, just like anything else).
I Think its worth pointing out that the Kharybdys is so cheap as its got two glaring weaknesses that dont show up in this comp and one big strengths that really helps it. For starters even after its recent buff its still only got 65 armour is fairly slow and struggles to push through units. you can usually pin the fucker down and turn it into a pin cushion before it gets the monster duel it wants. That and its leadership debuff is supper strong in this kind of fight. when you just let two monsters fight it out towards the end the two are both usually low on health and leadership so that de buff can be enough to tip the scales and send its opponent running.
Something you also have to consider in price cost is their speed and charge bonus as in a normal game you will be cycle charging these types of units thats where Dragon Ogres and carnos out perform kharibdyss and of course the terrorgheist is flying. Hellpit abominations are just fat meat shield so much hp and regen good dmg but in a straight up 1v1 they dont perform that well should be surrounded by clanrats or slaves.
Edit terror gheist is vampire so is assumed to also get buffs from magic users more than other monsters would.
34:00 They run off into the sunset together after a hard day of battle
I assume the prices are set in relation to the other units on the same faction more than "comparing big units between all factions"(probably both but perhaps mainly related to the roles they fill in that specific faction) also I don't think anyone wants or thinks it's needed to nerf the Kharibdyss as it was slighty buffed not that long ago for being bad and underused and it's still underused.(not that a unit being overused means a unit needs a nerf of course)
Are you able to do missile units? Maybe across 3 vids for anti large, armour piercing and non specialist? Maybe sepperate guns too? Even though hand gunners for the empire are just armour piercing, i feel that they're the best anti monster unit the empire has haha.
Edit: maybe test them by shooting at what theyre meant to be good at rather than at one another.
You're shocked that the Kharibdyss did so well? It literally says in game that it's a monster killer lol
You say Dragon Orge is not so good for its cost but it also is more mobile than the other units to which is lost
33:50 They just set aside their differences and wandered off together
chaos needs an update (understatement of the year) :p
Absolutely aghast Zerk managed to stretch this into 37 grueling minutes of content, and goddamn if I didn't watch every second.
The thing with the karibdyss is, it's completely designed to be a full on monster killer.
The same as the nekrosphynx. The thing with the sphynx is, that the army heal mechanic didn't come into play where it could easy kill the karibdyss
I think it would be fair if terrorgheists got one breath attack before charging in. Breath attacks are a big part of what makes them useful and that's partially why you would bring one.
The Spiders also pay for abilities they never use like Strider.
I was surprised we never saw the Lava Spider, but it would just stomp anything with Regeneration more.
I was waiting for Dread Saurian at the end! I think it wins over everything just because of the insane health pool.
Think they have the highest base weapon strength too
And literally the highest cost in the game.
Equalize the cost (make a 2v1 or add chevrons etc.) And shredder gets fucked up. It is by no means a cost effective unit, delivering the performance of a unit that costs about 800 less.
@@sanguineaurora8765 Shredder is very overpriced in multiplayer, but the regular Dread Saurians can do quite well in matchups where the opponent doesn't have lots of AP missile fire.
Good fun as always.
The Spider needs to be that good. Greenskins are showing their age in Campaign, and one could argue they only have a couple of units that compete well with their enemy equivalents. If she were nerfed, it would be interesting to wonder what if anything would be at the heart of a campaign Doom Stack for Greenskins.
Expected the Kharibdyss to be strong as it's the unit arguably most purpose-built to kill enemy monsters (isn't it described as "monster killer" in game?). The vulnerabilities that are a problem for it in the normal interlocking factors of a complete battlefield don't come into play, so it's arguably the unit most being given its IDEAL environment (weakness to missiles, low armour, no regen etc don't matter).
Terrorgheist's performance didn't surprise. It's never been all that impressive in melee, frankly, but the mobility and the fact it can bring terror to any part of a battlefield certainly can be. Even so, one can play a VC campaign and not bother with them.
Chaos desperately needs the upgrade presumably TWWH3 will bring; their campaign. I don't bother playing them these days, same with the Beastmen (whose Tech tree plus "Moon" system are both absolute trash, especially the latter; where's the "fk off with your dreadful Moon penalty, I'll take the 'eclipse' option, thanks"?).
I for one am kind of pissed at CA jamming more and more into the game for $$ with seemingly little regard to how drastically that can have changed the game play. I don't play PvP, and I don't WANT my campaign balance to get thrown to hell just because CA wants to add whatever 'LL pack' or sub-faction.
Horde mechanics and Beastmen/Chaos REALLY need some intelligent attention.
Kharbidys does so well in this competition is the fact it's bonuses are designed almost exclusively to fight single monsters. It's bonuses also help it against other anti-large monsters specifically (posion damage) . The sphinx for example While fire and magic damage for example is super useful against war hydra. Other regen monsters. Most anti-large monsters don't have regen. Or physical resist.
The sphinx's magic damage also allows it to take on many lords much more effectively. Many lords have physical resist ,but not magic resist. Example malekith.
Kharbidys can win fights against cav. But is to slow to really be effective at that role. It is effective against monster infantry. As they are slower than cav.
Dragon Ogre is faster more capable at wrecking heavy cav.
SO question, When you have a Basic unit going up against a Regiment of Renown unit do you pump the basic unit up to level 9 to match the Regiment of renown unit, cuz if not its not really a fair comparison, as a level 9 unit will beat a level 1 unit of the same type every time, meaning the level 9 unit is better than base line from the get go and should be compared to another level 9 to eliminate the level difference bias as a factor and have to match up be purely on the differences between the units themselves.
I'd be curious if the Fing Fing can shake this list up.
I feel the spiders would have done even better if they kited and used up their ammunition before engaging in melee.
also we need a best lord mounts competition
Who needs Godzilla vs King Kong when we have this?
giant ape for ind. King kong needs to be in the game. Giant lizard for nippon, gojira needs to be in the game too, good shout, wp.
Note that the bottom two come from factions with a lot more healing than the rest of the ones tested.
You can't look at points in a vacuum. Lots of things weren't factored in here, such as mobility. A Dragon Ogre Shaggoth has 76 speed, while a Kharibdyss has 46 speed.
Another small point in favor of the Shaggoth, is that it's melee* animation isn't actually melee. The game counts it as a quasi-ranged attack, just with a very short range, which lets it land hits on fleeing/cycle charging units much easier than a unit like the Kharbidyss.
Obviously the shaggoth and spider at the end decided on peace and ran off into the sunset together.
Thinking about this, what is the best anti-large unit in the game? Not necessarily monster or infantry, but the best actual anti-large?
My boy Kholek gotta be up there.
You understand something's wrong when you lost 'cause your construct got "poisoned"...