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Welcome my friends! As I mention in the beginning, this video will be focused on non-campaign battles, with limited resources - aka Custom Battles/Multiplayer! I am currently working on a best units for *Campaign* video as well, which should be out in the near future! Thanks again for stopping by! Hopefully my cursed internet should be fixed soon for streams. Also, big thanks to Vyom Mahamunkar for the great editing! Cheers!
Looking forward to it!!! Loved this video man
i have a question, why do you like your own comment? is it needed to pin the comment?
@@justinsmith9006 To further highlight it
@@turinRTS wired i thought the fact that the video creator's name has gray around it and it was pinned would be enough, i guess it still doesn't make sense to me how it highlights it any further than it already is.
@@turinRTS did you talk about how you already had up a heavy cav video in your last list? I can't find it.
0:48 - Dwarfs
2:49 - Empire
4:23 - Wood Elves
5:49 - High Elves
7:35 - Dark Elves
9:04 - Bretonnia
11:17 - Vampire Coast
14:03 - Skaven
15:54 - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
17:15 - Vampire Counts
19:34 - Lizardmen
21:46 - Norsca
23:37 - Beastmen
25:38 - Tomb Kings
27:10 - Chaos Warriors
(Pick Noctilus and try to make Necrofex Colossus doomstuck)) )
Thx
*Boyz not boiz learn to ork you noob
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@@maxencemorel1668 do you think the fungus creatures without dicks care about spelling?? Sod
Thanks!
Every time you bring up Chosen not being immune to psychology I believe more and more it’s just eating away at your soul 😂.
Hollow Getsuga not as bad as Phoenix guard, who literally know and have accepted their deaths, not being immune to psychology. I can’t tell you how many games I’ve lost because my Phoenix guard, in the late game, just repeatedly terror route from a sphinx or other monster that they’d otherwise beat without issue.
@@auroraourania7161 But what if they know they're gonna survive because they know they're going to run away?
@@quasar2834 They foresee their own deaths, not their own life stories.
Meanwhile, Tempel guards, the order equivalent of chosen ARE immune to psychology.
@@proximacentauri3627
That's the point though. You know you're gonna die to like orcs, so you run from dwarfs. Makes totally 100% perfect sense.
Its funny because scourge-runner chariots were a meme in the tabletop for dark elves, somehow became their best unit in TW:WH
Alex K what made them so memey in tabletop?
@@Mrnatethegreat2002 Without delving too much into the mechanics of tabletop, scourgerunner chariots were incredibly niche. The rules are such that you couldn't shoot if you engaged in melee. Their gimmick was they can harpoon a monster and drag them toward the chariot (with a 50% chance of hurting it in the process). The problem was the chariot is easy to destroy, shorter range, and expensive (double the cost of a bolt thrower).
On paper, it sounds good to move an enemy out of position. However, as elves you can expect your troops to be outnumbered so betting those points/gold on a niche unit is a waste.
There are lots of examples of differences though! Grimgor in tabletop is an absolute monster you want to avoid fighting, in TW:WH he is a meme as turin points out.
They are quite OP in AoS Cities of Sigmar btw. Some people make armies with 70% of them being Scourgerunners because 3 of them are quite cheap when taken in 3 and powerful as well. 27 models of them is quite a sight to behold. And it’s nowhere close to being a cheap army.
Warhammer tabletop had too many silly rules like too many shooting modifiers.
Grimgor though was insane with effectively an Initiative 15 like an elf. 5 attacks at strength 8 meant he could clean up anything.
It's alao funny that chameleon skinks are trash in campaign and great in multi.
>“with a little support of mammoths“
>lets 4 feral mammoths charge those wild orcs amongst the berserkers
He said "with a little bit of support from some mammoths"
(Haradrim chanting, Mumakil roaring)
The most elite fighters of the Asur and the most dedicated soldiers of chaos: "ahhhhh a dragon....RUUUUUUUUUN!!!"
Black Orcs: "Oi...wozzat? can i smash it?"
Phoenix Guard are immune to psych.
Antonio Sonntag they were in TT not in this game lol
Da bigga dey are, da betta da scrap! WAAAGH!!!
@lisa morris give in to slannesh's temptations
@lisa morris dew it
The most dreaded of doom stacks: 19 Bloated Corpses.
you mean the surest way to the grave? I love bloaty bois (recommend meming in campaign with them) but trying this in mp will shatter your heart and innoncence.
The Random Heretek it’s the best intimidation technique in the game
@@therandomheretek5403 Heh, I had a battle against my brother when i was first trying vamp coast. He didn't realise I had bloaty bois so his front line of overly expensive infantry did not last long :)
@@TheOpalHammer that has happened to me as well more or less...
@@egemenozcelik7494 I'm not sure I understand what you mean. I'm aware that OP was a joke, I'd have thought that the hyperbolic tone of my response made that much clear. Not that I care about being "wooshed" anyway.
I’ve literally never played a total war game in my life but it was your commentary videos that got me so interested in them.
It's how new gaming marketing works. Get people intrested by flat "sumo" pressure on the social medias with influencers.
Also, you'll need playtesters during the beta right? Call it early access and make them pay for it. Anyway, those losers don't know that the game will only be complete 4 years in the future, when all DLCs and patches are out.
14:15
'if your opponent is bringing a Lord...'
Which is to say, always.
IMPORTANT NOTE: The vampire coast handgunners aren't bad. They were long described wrong as anti infantry. They are anti LARGE! i noticed this when 2 Handgunners absolutely destroyed a charging cavalry before they could land their charge. They have multiple shots (shotgun) and should therefor ONLY be used vs large monsters and Cavalry. Try it out they are good!
Regular hangunners not flying or deckhand mobs firerams?
Something else about the chameleon skinks' chameleon trait that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned is its built-in stealth, making them even more valuable to avoid the attention of usual anti-skirmishing tools
as for your request at the end, I'm just happy listening to you make top 10 videos if you want. top 10 things you'd like implemented for multiplayer, top favorite units, top 10 predictions for WH3. I'm low maintenance like that.
Waywatchers, nerfed something like 5 times now, still overpowered.
More like how the Wood Elf roster outside waywatchers is meh, and waywatchers are amazing. In tabletop all WE archer unit had AP so waywatchers weren't so special like they are in TWW
@@qihaoliu3631 The glade guard with starfire shafts have AP but that and the rest of the WE being meh doesn't change or matter to the fact that Waywatchers are still overpowered.
@@qihaoliu3631 Well, the issue is that high ap archers turned out to be really powerful due to the way this game works. And if they could have it on archers that weren't actually that expensive, especially with how good their range is, WE would be blatantly overpowered.
@@sirgaz8699 I agree that waywatchers are really strong but are they OP such that they deserve further nerfs? The +50 cost meant you can no longer bring 4 WW in tournaments on top of their HP and speed nerfs. And its not like WW builds are invincible -- there are very good counters so either you lost with army selection or you got outplayed. Starfire shafts are more cost effective AP range units but they get compromised too easily. Considering that WE are not even strong outside a few MU, if WW got nerf another round without any buffs to the rest of the roster I don't see them being competitive at all. Bret and HE would be instant autoloss. And what is the problem with WE actually having the best archers, especially considering guns are much better IMO.
@@qihaoliu3631 in TT waywatchers were just expensive as Hell so were small in number and basically there to delete war machines and ANY character that was flying solo (oh that was satisfying)
I am a proud Dark Elves main, and I can say with empirical evidence to boot that the best unit is, in fact, the Chill of Sontar.
Come at me.
People sleep on hydras for no good reason
Careful, Felkon may appear!
True, but not the standart Hydra.
I really don’t know how to use hydras correctly. They seem like dragons that can’t choose engagements as well.
I see hydras as one of the pieces that you have to see what your opponent does in response. I know that sounds like every other none meatshield unit, but you know what I mean
The video is really fun when you pause before each pick and place your own guess. I got quite a few right, came close on a couple others (usually guess the honorable mentions) and one or two I was not expecting at all. Makes me worried that I watch far too many Turin videos....
Thanks for making this. I don't play multi-player so I really enjoy when you make something that can apply to campaign as well.
"The Empire's *kind of* a jack of all trades faction"
*sad imperial infantry noises*
Jack of all trait faction still lacking a light and melee cav unit btw. Though i guess Reiksguard are technically melee cav.
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 Really?I thought they were shock cavalry.
Stanley Leonard Darmali their unit description says that they can charge and then stick in combat. In campaign this is actually works decent as long as they don‘t fight halberds or elite spears, but they are still lackluster in the melee grind part.
@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 I think, honestly, the Light Cavalry's already there...
Pistoliers and Outriders are based on Hussars and Dragoons, respectively.
Love these videos man! Well done! I’d really love to see a “best generic lord” and a “best (non-legendary) hero” per faction videos. Gotta be Arch Lector and Jade Wizard for Empire.
I'm liking the transitions and cinematics you're applying to add some flair to these recent videos! Keep it up!
Great video Turin and top notch editing Vyom Mahamunkar, great job over all!
This is hands down the best editing I've ever seen on this channel! Way to go, Turin!
Had a great editor! Vyom did a great job!
Great vid, Turin.
Here is something that MIGHT be a neat idea: A "consideration-list" while drafting your army. For example, MY consideration list is NOT good, and it basically goes as follows:
1.) How much AP do I need against the opposing faction?
2.) How much Bonus vs Large do I need against this faction?
3.) Will my Lord need AP?
That's it. I don't really understand when to use certain lores of magic instead of others. (Outside of its AP, so I wouldn't use fire magic against the dwarfs.)
I also don't really understand why Teclis is a MUST HAVE instead of Arielle in certain match-ups.
Or, you could do a video like, "Beware of...." and then break it down faction by faction.
"When fighting/drafting against the HElfs, you have to draft XYZ to prevent them from doing ABC...."
In essence, there is another level of complexity to this game that only certain people grasp, and shedding some light on it might be interesting :D
Hey Turin, loved this format! Keep em coming!
Those are really beautiful battle sequences ! Well done !
CLICKBAIT!!!! Ok the list is actually good though
Lets see here - so for Dark Elves is Chill of Sontar, High Elves is Frost Phoenix, and Norska is a Frostwyrm right?
Kislev Bear Cav?
GIVE BEAR CV!
You are almost right my man! But best DE unit are the dark riders with repeater crossbows!
I and am sure many others would be really interested in your take on best cavalry/infantry units, love these kind of videos :D thanks!
There is so much information to learn with this game I love it! I HAVE Only had it for 5 days and have played over 30 hours.
Haven't watched this yet. Prediction. SKAVEN: warplock jezzies ror and normie.
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No ROR's , just standard units
@@turinRTS yes yes
If ROR were included Teef Robbers would've taken the greenskin spot.
@@GrandMarshalGarithos and holy wardens for Bretonnia lol
Love these type of videos! Can do chores while listening to them and they help new players(and even old ones).More of these!!!
Cheers!
Great video and I find that I agree with most of your choices! Thanks very much!
I know I'm late to the party and someone might have said this but everytime he talks about way watchers the subtitles spells it weight watchers lol. Didn't realize weight watchers got such distance lol
I love these kinds of videos, just to compare my thoughts to other's on unit efficiency. Besides being a greater caster and commentator, you are a wise general Turin, and I highly value your opinions.
Great stuff Turin!
Really nice job I learned a lot!
23:16 seeing that wall of mammoths annihilate all those greenskins about made my day.
Great vid man
Gr8 video buddy keep it up!
Would be great with some faction guide style videos, with builds, best/worst units, viable play styles, lord choices etc. for each faction.
I think it would be interesting to see a video describing the units with the largest discrepancy in their quality and how they're used between campaign and multiplayer. This would mostly come down to cheap chaff like peasant mobs or skavenslaves being far more useful in multiplayer, where your main limitation is gold, than campaign, where your main limitation, at least in the mid to late game, is the number of armies you can field before your economy is wrecked. However, maybe there could be some interesting things people didn't expect. Specific legendary lords with red skill trees that completely change the roll of a particular unit, for instance.
24:38 Just wanna say that that charge to pierce through the enemy formation and get the backline was pretty beautiful.
Welp, guess the Hierotitan meta didn't last long for our homie Aerotitan :(
THANK YOU for actually declaring it as MP, people before had really hard times figuring it out... xD
Campaign one soon!
@@turinRTS honestly it was fine for me b4 because you could easily notice it was MP, great work tho anyway and can't wait for a few more MP battles aswell :P
Nice video for someone who feels daunted by the prospect of getting into pvp. I'd love to get your view on spell and item choices and how and when to use heroes.
would be really cool if you made a video covering each factions match ups and how they fare (obviously generally speaking)
Me playing modded campaing when i can recruit any unit from each race: I SHALL BECOME GOD!
I'm super glad people are still playing this game, been meaning to get back into it.
Any word on total war warhammer 3 coming out?
No idea :(
Yep
The tomb kings roomba: “am I a joke to you...”
''Best units for the High Elves is the Star Dragon''
Sisters of Avelorn: ''Is that a personal attack?''
Swordmasters of Hoeth: "Am I a joke to you?"
Spearmen: "Time for a freaking crusade"
sisters is just too great for their price xD sisters for the win
Phoenix Guard:
How is a Sister of Avelorn going to fight a Star Dragon, both in campaign and multiplayer battle
When do you bring Jezzails? When the enemy has a Lord ....
I'm not trying to say this ad if videos were bad before because I have always enjoyed them, but has the editing level increased recently with additions of different clubs and showing the tool tips and other such small things? It all looks great
Good shout, great for begginers. Only one I have a gripe about is I think slayers over longbeards in dwarves. I just don't see a match up when you wouldn't bring them.
About the Razorgore Herd - if I'm not mistaken, melee def on target counts as 0 if behind or target is fleeing?
So that puny attack of 24 doesn't really matter that much, for the uses they will have. So they will do a lot of damage for their cost too with their AP and attack damge.
I guess they CAN be used to frontal charge infantry too but why would you want that unless you _have_ to.
I appreciate the little Faction Intros.
damn im so early there hasn't been a person who has put the timestamps for each faction in yet xD
So glad to see the skink bois got in the list. I was never really fond of Chameleon Skinks until I watched a battle casted by Dahv and oh boy, those Chameleon just sniped and annihilated the trapped Star Dragon in Tempest. It was insane!
I thought you’d give it to the Wal-Mart dragon.
Great vid
"Skaven just run the Dwarves over" accurate lore wise too. lol
Man I don't even play TW2 right now but i still watch Turin's and Zerkovich's tw2 vids religiously lol
Cheers brother
Also going on the strength of the star dragon, it’s powerful attack animations cannot discounted... in my games I think that is a big reason why high elf dragons in general get as much more kills than phoenixes do; their animations are great for killing groups of smaller units.
10:23 so cool knights charge while gryph is diving into enemies
I agree with the Vampire Coast the most i love them am play them alot those handgunners set up right have destoryed calvery in a single volley love taking 3 setting them up an let them just rain down fire such a amazing unit
In campaign casket of soul is a game changer for the tomb king. Swear to god it is!
Agreed!
We head on over to the realms of the wood elves and.. Mel Gibson. Was not ready for that but I can see the resemblance 😂😂
I feel like this is a good expansion on Legend´s Units you should always recruit for every race video.
Another good thing about longbreards is the charge defense
Your Dark Elf pick kinda surprised me. I thought for sure Chill of Sontar, or greatsword shades. Why not one of them?
Aa a filthy lizard main, the Camoskinks are amazing but Temple Guards are the closest we can ever come to a "perfect unit" even against skirms, if they eventually manage to catch em XD
I actually haven't seen star dragon in MP - is there a link to a high elf battle with it?
18:59 that's such a sick shot!
Are all those death animations and blood in the base game or a mod. That's so bad ass
i'd say..
high elves: sisters of avelron
lizardmen: stegadon
1. I think Thunderers for the Dwarfs are better. They are extremely versatile, useful in almost every other match-up, have decent melee combat stats, high armor and shields all for the low cost of 700 gold. You don't require longbeards for every other match-up, but thunderers are a safe pick regardless of who you fight (granted, they are better against some factions than others)
2. Taking a pick for the Empire is hard, because they have so many viable options for best unit pick. I'm not sure demis with halberds fit the bill though, given that they are definitely not useful in several match ups for their price point. Sometimes regular demis are better because of their higher attack speed and better base combat stats. Spearmen w/ shields probably deserve a mention because they are so cheap but are an excellent frontline troop. Empire knights are also excellent for their price point.
3. I think best HE unit is the archers. Cheap, useful in every match-up, and can outrange every other archer at the same price point. Star dragons are powerful yes, but you do sort of need to construct your build around the unit because of the price
4. For VP I do think deckhand mobs with halberds are the best. Cheap, AP, anti-large, unbreakable and therefore extremely versatile.
5. Can't say I agree with Norscan berserkers. People have savvied up a bit on these units and I have encountered more and more armored troops playing as Norsca and I have been using armored infantry units against Norsca. Even mid-tier units like GG can handily beat berserkers to a pulp, they are relatively easily counterable. I'd say a better pick are the naked skin wolves. They are fast, regenerate, anti-large, frenzy.
Other than that I agree with your picks
"Let us head on over to the next faction." followed by "... And now we have..."
So after the recent DLC, Skaven are given rat dogs, which are fast warhounds with armor peircing but they compliment Jezzails so damn well, have jezzails put the enemies into a route, then have rat dogs chase.
Ungor photobomb at 24:57 :D
Idea I'd like to see: best RoR. Mostly the same cost benefit analysis as went into these units, but also in comparison to their normal counterpart.
I didn't know that pistol zombies can still shoot in melee. I knew there was a reason I loved them
Are you making content behind the scenes for the new DLC right about now?
Love list based videos.
i agree that the demigryphs are the best the empire has to offer though i would argue that the humble state troops deserve their due, they can hold the line for a suprisingly long time after all
I was thinking the best unit for the beastmen were the centigors. Both the standard and the throwing axe version are almost always used in builds.
Even before watching this, already had a high opinion of Norse Berserkers and Dragon Ogre Shaggoth
does cavalry count as "large"? is anti-large bonus affects on horsemen?
i would argue that the iron drakes top the dawi lists
F for the deckhand mobs with polearms
You mention that the zombie pirate gunnery mob can fire while engaged in melee. Is this true for the Handgun variant aswell or only the standard pistol variant?
As far as I'm concerned, it's the case of every archer unit. You just have to remember to put them in guard stance.
Where is the opening cutscene from? It looks amazing
WH2 Game intro!
“ how to do the Lizardmen dirty “ step 1: Do vampire counts and the blood knights right before them. Step 2: make statement how it’s soo cool when the badass units of a faction are the best. Step 3: bring up chameleon skinks. I know it’s not personal but it was such a bummer of a follow up (even when it’s my favorite faction haha). Thanks for doing this by the way
Here's a better way.
Step 1: Pick Malekith on Seraphon and bring Soulstealer.
Step 2: Bring more vicious lizard cavalry than their vicious lizard cavalry.
Step 3: 'Be careful not to choke on your aspirations, Lizardirector.'
Hey Turin. I would sugest a video but I understand if it's too much work.
The best army compositions for campaign and the order we should build the prerequisite buildings, etc.
I often aim for the stars and cannot afford maintenance, etc.
Ty!
I'll see what I can do!
@@turinRTS Thanks!
3:47 That Kroxigor had a little Stroke
I'm really surprised you didn't choose the basic elven archers for High Elves
Longbeards are really OP. I played my campaing on Hard difficulty and created my upgrade path of: Dwarf warriors --> Longbeards -->ironbreakers. Even in late campaing, I never saw the necesity to swap longbeards with ironbreakes (Ironbreakes upkeep is way larger than longbeards). I upgraded my artillery and missile but Longbeards got me to the end.
I remember my first Lizard campaign after they introduced blessed units.
Almost finished a long campaign before I realized that Temple Guards are useless compared to Blessed Saurus 😂 At least as Gor'Rok/the way I specced him.
The damage stats per model is just insane for a unit with so many models, and while they may lack SOME ap or attack, they'll outlive Temple Guards easily.
Temple Guards are way cooler though and better early-mid game.
As Sniktch I said bye bye to any form of staying power and just went Triads + chaff. It was not an issue of price, just effectiveness.
Bretonnia, i figured quickly even/as Repanse, no point really with expensive infantry...
With Slaneesh now in 3, I just pam Marauders for ~1/3 of the army at least to begin with. Their "flow" means you need good unit speed, and basically EVERYTHING they have are glass cannons - except them. So, that''s the go-to core infantry, even late game.
I prefer more armies over stupid doomstacks.
Sorry if anyone gets offended by that
The jezzail way: What does it matter if you suck in melee and have the leadership of a lemming if everything dies long before they can see the insane twinkle in your beady little eyes?
Great vid! While iconic, I think the longbeards at 700 are no longer a good winning pick in most matchups. They are like worse chaos warriors with immune to psych - which is pretty good! But it doesn’t win games to grind well nor does it really protect your ranged units. Numbers do that and more redundancy. So I’m not sure what dwarf unit should get the crown, but probably something ranged.
B Master miners with blasting charges are up there, IMO. They basically invalidate any lightly armored frontline for extremely cheap, and will trade alright against more armored frontlines in melee. Thunders are also really good, especially when combined with tune of wrath and ruin. Slayers are the final possibility, imo. If the enemy has large units, which you’ll find against everything but in the mirror, or lightly armored harass units like hounds, they’re a necessity as both a source of anti large and the only cost effective thing that will kill stuff quickly in melee.
Good points. Lots of good options but the dwarf warrior is underappreciated mainstay. I would probably say the dwarf cannon though of course sometimes you don’t bring them.
So, someone tell me, am I going crazy or did the sisters of….something (i forgot there name lol)from high elf’s, didn’t they have like 190 or more range?
Or did I mistaken them with wood elfs
The visuals at 18:58 :O
14:18
If your opponent brings a lord, you should bring Jezzails seems like a good rule of thumb to me.
"So for the beastmen the piG is gonna be the razorgor herd" D :D
How about Top Ten Legendary Lord Best Haircut/Helmet ?