Fun fact. I never knew Lewis and Clark used an air rifle in 1803 when mapping the Louisiana Purchase until I read it at a historical information board near Lolo Montana.
My father has told me that story at least 5 times lol he's in his 70s so he gets a pass. But his twist is , they showed it to the Indians and the Indians thought all the guns were repeating rifles like the air gun was so they didn't mess with them. Sorry native Americans for you sensitive folks
@@WHOTEEWHO I’ve posted before when you dragged out your Avenger that I own the .177. And it’s a tac driver with the 10.3 Air Arms ammo. And also holds MOA at 50 with the JSB Knock Out slugs. I own three different kinds of lead slingers. Yes I do well in many different powder burner bing bangs. But nowadays most of my trigger time is with my PCP air rifles. As you are well aware they are cheaper to practice with. And to me, not everybody, any trigger time is a damn good time! 🤣🤷🏻♂️😉🔥
I love seeing you throw the airguns in the mix. I love my 25 caliber guns. I own 9 airguns 1 in 22 1 in .50 cal and the rest are 25 and I am seriously impressed with them. They shoot flat,fast and hit hard. I have 1 that shoots 43 grains at 960 and darn it smacks so hard! Keep it coming and stay awesome brother WTW!
@@thisismyusername6717 it’s an Seneca aspen that was rebuilt by a machinist buddy. It doesn’t really have any stock parts so it would be more honest to call it a Monroe after the man who made the parts
The technology they have in air rifles now is incredible. I’ve watched Keith Warren hunting videos where he has taken big game with .50 cal air rifles.
For this rifle I would probably choose 22 for being common available pellets you won't have to wait for shipment. Probably get a bit more distance out of it too.
You still have to get quality pellets such as Benjamin. The Daisy pellets are made for the Daisy 880, and are softer, lighter and too high of variation in weights. Gamo pellets are good too. The best are the European brands and those baracuda hunter extremes are awesome. I picked up a stash during Covid along with a couple of Gamo air guns. They make for cheap target practice. After learning about them, I would love to have a PCP for consistency.
H&N Piledriver pellet. They make a 51gr slug in .25, 30gr slug in .22 and 21gr slug in .177. They resist wind drift incredibly but they only work well with PCP rifles.
I’ve been debating between these two calibers for small pest management. Basically, the .22 has less impact but flies a little further at a flatter trajectory. It also really depends on what air gun you shoot it from. Damn, now you got me looking to buy another air gun! Great video, thanks!
They are both really good pellets. I would pick the .22 though because of availability and shot count per fill on the air. At least in my area the .22 pellets are available .25 has to be ordered. I also have extreme accuracy with FX Atomic pellets at 905 fps they group almost 1 hole at 50 yards. Slugs in both of these are also very impressive. I like Nielsen Specialty Ammo. Very accurate and made right here in the USA over in Missouri.
The energy difference is astounding. Barrel length and the air release valve timing also makes a huge difference. Lots of kits for PCP rifles can delay the air valve and increase velocity but you lose a lot more air per shot.
I have a .25 cal Benjamin Marauder that has similar performance. When we're talking small bore air rifles, recoil, cost per shot, and air consumption are relatively similar . In my opinion, the .25 is useful for everything the .22 is useful for, plus more. That doesn't hold true for the reverse, therefore, I'd go with the .25 cal. I've probably taken a couple hundred squirrels with mine, most of which were headshots. It'll print a dime sized group at 35 yards with JSB Exact Match Kings.
The difference between 22 pellets and 25 is amazing. If you have two guns shooting the same power level the 25 will deliver 50% more of it's energy to target
As technology improves I think air rifles are the future, nice to see you look at them now and again, but don't keep pellets in your mouth they are very poisonous
Excellent video! And answers my question on which cal. I'm likely going with. In the market for a good pellet gun and was leaning towards the .22 anyways over the .25 for backyard pest control/hunting and plinking. But this video was a good one on the power dump of both. Thank you!
I have the Benjamin Marauder in .25 cal. One night I shot two hogs at 30 yds. 60 & 50 lb. The 60 was hit just behind the ear and the 50 in the forehead. It was lights out for both.
Very interesting, and I think useful comparison, thanks! In my air arsenal I have a .177 and .22 rifle, three .25 and a .357. The .25 calibre is my favorite all round caliber, though I don't hunt anything but pests (and don't use the. 357 for that).
Impressive. I got a GMO 22 rifle like these well it’s a magazine fed I really like it thank you I hope you’ve been doing good. I’ve been with a lot of stuff lately myself and I wish you guys the best.
For what it's worth I used a .25 rapid 7 .When shooting magpies it made a nice big hole in them and all the blood seemed to empty from them ensuring a fast clean kill.
Yes sir the R9 is nice I have the R1 that is 38 years old last time I choreographed it shot 1050 fps. with a silver bear hollow point in 177. Bought a Fx impact when I retired so I don't shoot the beeman much anymore but it is accurate and powerful
Now on a different caliber .177. I found the Silver Jet brand was the most accurate and took more squirrels with one shot kills than the .22 caliber pellets. And .177 caliber is the speed demon. Velocity kills.
Got a Gamo springer 22 from academy with my TNWA 20% off coupon to do some squirrel hunting this year. It puts some nice dents in rimfire steel at 30 yards. Impressed with these clay block test.
That's really cool! I tried mixing up some joint compound as thick as I could get it. Shot it with a Daisy 880 and was surprised! 11/2" hole in the front and 3/4 out the rear of 7 1/2" of block!
Really wished you would of dug the 22 cal pellet out so we could see the expansion. You should do a test with regular hollow points compared to the pellets with the Phillips screwdriver looking tip.
Seems like both guns were tuned differently since you had about a 10 gr difference in pellet weight and very similar muzzle velocities. What was the reg set to on both? How many turns of the HS?
Even though you mentioned that they were the same pellet - the weight and energy would be the deciding factor.. You never mentioned the weight of the pellets.. If you are going to do a true comparison then you would need to use 25 gran pellets for both the .22 and .25 and adjust the velocity to be the same.. This way they both have the same muzzle energy.. With that said then the .22 would have more penetration where as the .25 would have a larger hole.. Also, the .25 would slow down faster and loose more energy for any given distance, meaning that if the muzzle energy is the same then at 100 yards the .22 would retain more energy and be going faster.. So when the velocity and muzzle energy is the same the .22 would be faster, have more energy and penetrate deeper at 10yards to infinity.. Comparing 18.52 grain .22 vs 28.24 grain .25 at about the same velocity is not a true comparison because the .25 with the heavier pellet has way more energy.. Pop a 25 grain .22 and increase the velocity so that the energy is about the same as the .25 and you may see a whole different ball game.. You probably would find that the .22 dominates the .25 at all ranges.. The only advantage that the .25 has is the ability to shoot 30-40+ grain pellets, but under 30 grains the .22 would have the advantage..
I'd love to have a pcp in either though both of my Springers are in 22. I just need to justify the cost of the compressor and tank. BUT with the Gas powered Springer, I can leave that in the closet, not worry about whether there is air in it keeping the seals good and grab it real quick, pump and shoot. BUT, the PCPs are generally so much more dialable and usually have sweeter triggers. You know, what I really need is MORE TOYS! I am a little upset. Man like you gotta have a pocket knife. Dig that pellet out and lets look at it.
Great video. I looked for a Who-Tee-Who video because my son was talking about Batman. Since one Batman villains is literally a human turned into clay, the Batman family members who use guns should watch this to learn which gun to use.
Surprising how equal they were at that close if you get time and looking for another video idea maybe a redo at a double or triple distance. But have to say awesome video
pushed both these calibers many times through gel at high velocity and 30 yard range. with a fx gun the only pellet to expand is a crosman destroyer. got much more expansion with the .25 cal. it doesnt scale . the .25 has the momentum to open up.
@@WHOTEEWHOSoon let's see if you teach me something new, and I am sure that you will! A happy Saturday to you and all by the way! And goodness me it is hot today for the both of us!
My .25 shoots those 28 grain pellets at 1150 fps. You should always shoot away the first shot if it's been sitting around to replenish the plenum. Thanks for the comparison.
H&N barracudas are mean rounds, definitely get good expansion on impact. But for me depends on range and game. I have seen people take hogs with a 25, loads can be heavier with a bigger pellet. But this means a larger arc when shooting as well, the 22 is flatter and faster. Speed doesn't always equal power though. I enjoy shooting 22 more but the game you can take is limited. Love pyramid air!
A couple years ago I got really interested in PCP rifles after binge watching guys in the UK shooting rats. It faded and I kind of forgot about it, but now here you come with this! Lol.. I guess I have no choice but to get one now! I’m thinking .25 to start with.
Who tee who that 25 cal has a horseshoe trajectory sorta if you can get used to it its a sledgehammer of a calibre hit quarry like a concrete block but does ricochet i found i stick with 22 cal i can split paper with a single shot what more accuracy do i need lol very close range at say 10 yards i load pellets backwards its like a hollow point does exellent job any further its not ballistic coefficient but I use crossman destroyer another exellent slug you should test them in clay they expand like rifle bullets but them slugs your using are tok heavy for our uk sub 12 foot pounds legal muzzle energy 👍🐾🦊🇮🇹🇺🇲
I LOVE your videos !!! .... I have to say I was shocked to see you putting LEAD pellets in your lips ! I did that as a kid and scares me to death now knowing how toxic it is. No offense meant. Keep up the awesome work.
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Actually this surprised the hell out of me. I didn't think either one would do much. I think I would have to pick the 22 cal. for myself
Fun fact.
I never knew Lewis and Clark used an air rifle in 1803 when mapping the Louisiana Purchase until I read it at a historical information board near Lolo Montana.
My father has told me that story at least 5 times lol he's in his 70s so he gets a pass. But his twist is , they showed it to the Indians and the Indians thought all the guns were repeating rifles like the air gun was so they didn't mess with them. Sorry native Americans for you sensitive folks
🇺🇸, history, text and tradition...
As a airgunner myself I like both. 😉👍🏼🇺🇸
Me too!
@@WHOTEEWHOI would really love to see a hog hunt with a 25 cal apparently they are highly affected in doing so.😉
@@jonsavage6314 me too. No hogs near me.
@WHOTEEWHO how about deer or ram. Or a ballistics jail video, something no one has ever seen before. 🤔
@@WHOTEEWHO I’ve posted before when you dragged out your Avenger that I own the .177. And it’s a tac driver with the 10.3 Air Arms ammo. And also holds MOA at 50 with the JSB Knock Out slugs.
I own three different kinds of lead slingers.
Yes I do well in many different powder burner bing bangs.
But nowadays most of my trigger time is with my PCP air rifles. As you are well aware they are cheaper to practice with. And to me, not everybody, any trigger time is a damn good time! 🤣🤷🏻♂️😉🔥
I love seeing you throw the airguns in the mix. I love my 25 caliber guns. I own 9 airguns 1 in 22 1 in .50 cal and the rest are 25 and I am seriously impressed with them. They shoot flat,fast and hit hard. I have 1 that shoots 43 grains at 960 and darn it smacks so hard! Keep it coming and stay awesome brother WTW!
Well which one is that lol
@@thisismyusername6717 it’s an Seneca aspen that was rebuilt by a machinist buddy. It doesn’t really have any stock parts so it would be more honest to call it a Monroe after the man who made the parts
Very impressive dude didn't think they would do that much damage I pick the 25 cal Very cool
The technology they have in air rifles now is incredible. I’ve watched Keith Warren hunting videos where he has taken big game with .50 cal air rifles.
Love the color on the 22.
Never get tires of the clay blocks, love it!
For this rifle I would probably choose 22 for being common available pellets you won't have to wait for shipment. Probably get a bit more distance out of it too.
You still have to get quality pellets such as Benjamin. The Daisy pellets are made for the Daisy 880, and are softer, lighter and too high of variation in weights. Gamo pellets are good too. The best are the European brands and those baracuda hunter extremes are awesome. I picked up a stash during Covid along with a couple of Gamo air guns. They make for cheap target practice. After learning about them, I would love to have a PCP for consistency.
Try some Apolo brand slugs. The 40 grain 25 caliber expanded to about 43 caliber when I fired them into water jugs from an air force condor
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H&N makes a 42 gr slug. In my AEA challenger pushing 80-85 foot-pounds. It'll expand out to about 55 caliber
H&N Piledriver pellet. They make a 51gr slug in .25, 30gr slug in .22 and 21gr slug in .177. They resist wind drift incredibly but they only work well with PCP rifles.
I’ve been debating between these two calibers for small pest management. Basically, the .22 has less impact but flies a little further at a flatter trajectory. It also really depends on what air gun you shoot it from. Damn, now you got me looking to buy another air gun! Great video, thanks!
Actually the .25 will shoot flatter at range due to its higher sectional density, and hold its energy longer
@@codyowens755 good to know.
And if you can shoot a stabilized slug the 25 way more distant/impact and 25 are less likely to be affected by wind.
They are both really good pellets. I would pick the .22 though because of availability and shot count per fill on the air. At least in my area the .22 pellets are available .25 has to be ordered. I also have extreme accuracy with FX Atomic pellets at 905 fps they group almost 1 hole at 50 yards. Slugs in both of these are also very impressive. I like Nielsen Specialty Ammo. Very accurate and made right here in the USA over in Missouri.
Thanks for including air rifles into the mix, pretty cool.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video. Both should be great for small game.
Never thought they would penetrate the blocks but if i had a choice it would be the .25. Good video Adam 👍👍
Around our farm I use 177 very effective, don’t want the neighbors to hear 22 crack. I think 25 my choice.
Hmm, .25 caliber ammunition might have a slightly greater "smack" on the clay compared to .22 caliber because of bullet size but we’ll see!!!
25 caliber Condor's have ridiculous power in. 25. Completely explodes 12oz cola cans at thirty yards.
The energy difference is astounding. Barrel length and the air release valve timing also makes a huge difference. Lots of kits for PCP rifles can delay the air valve and increase velocity but you lose a lot more air per shot.
Thanks for sharing another great video 👍
Impressive! I'd love to see a super slo-mo video of all the clay block tests.
I have a .25 cal Benjamin Marauder that has similar performance. When we're talking small bore air rifles, recoil, cost per shot, and air consumption are relatively similar . In my opinion, the .25 is useful for everything the .22 is useful for, plus more. That doesn't hold true for the reverse, therefore, I'd go with the .25 cal. I've probably taken a couple hundred squirrels with mine, most of which were headshots. It'll print a dime sized group at 35 yards with JSB Exact Match Kings.
The difference between 22 pellets and 25 is amazing. If you have two guns shooting the same power level the 25 will deliver 50% more of it's energy to target
Thoroughly impressed! I need a .25!
Not much of an airgun person but this video impressed me. Super surprised at the results....
That's awesome. I always knew the 25 was so much better than the tiny 22
As technology improves I think air rifles are the future, nice to see you look at them now and again, but don't keep pellets in your mouth they are very poisonous
Very surprising- that’s a cool twist on the videos, who knew clay would be affected so much by an air rifle. Stay awesome brother!
Excellent video! And answers my question on which cal. I'm likely going with. In the market for a good pellet gun and was leaning towards the .22 anyways over the .25 for backyard pest control/hunting and plinking. But this video was a good one on the power dump of both. Thank you!
I have the Benjamin Marauder in .25 cal. One night I shot two hogs at 30 yds. 60 & 50 lb. The 60 was hit just behind the ear and the 50 in the forehead. It was lights out for both.
Very interesting, and I think useful comparison, thanks! In my air arsenal I have a .177 and .22 rifle, three .25 and a .357. The .25 calibre is my favorite all round caliber, though I don't hunt anything but pests (and don't use the. 357 for that).
Thanks for the video. Cool test. Just got into air with a .25 Gauntlet and it continues to surprise me. Keep up the good work. Enjoy it all
Impressive. I got a GMO 22 rifle like these well it’s a magazine fed I really like it thank you I hope you’ve been doing good. I’ve been with a lot of stuff lately myself and I wish you guys the best.
Both are very impressive in the clay
How about .17 caliber?
Stay tuned. That video out soon
I would like that as well!
Wish you had shown the one 22 captured by the clay. Did it expand?
Idk if it did
Great comparison - love them both!!
Thanks for watching!
Next time you have the pellet guns out, can you shoot through the chronograph at 50 or 100 yards to compare downrange speed/energy please.
Good idea
This is a great video idea!! I’m very interested in the results myself. I don’t have a chrono anymore after a “incident”🤣
@@Thegoofyairgunner yup. Been there before......twice
Would have liked to see how those rounds opened up........I'd choose the .25
I like the 25 and really like the clay blocks testing medium !
Yes fun video for sure ! I would go with the 25 caliber air stick if choosing!
For what it's worth I used a .25 rapid 7 .When shooting magpies it made a nice big hole in them and all the blood seemed to empty from them ensuring a fast clean kill.
I have a 20yr old German made Beeman R9 in 20 cal. Not magnum level but more effective than most 177. Definitely fun shooting.
Yes sir the R9 is nice I have the R1 that is 38 years old last time I choreographed it shot 1050 fps. with a silver bear hollow point in 177. Bought a Fx impact when I retired so I don't shoot the beeman much anymore but it is accurate and powerful
Great video comparison, because I was deciding which caliper I wanted
Now on a different caliber .177. I found the Silver Jet brand was the most accurate and took more squirrels with one shot kills than the .22 caliber pellets. And .177 caliber is the speed demon. Velocity kills.
I love your clay tests!
Thanks for watching!
Good work, brother. Thank you!
Thanks for watching
Got a Gamo springer 22 from academy with my TNWA 20% off coupon to do some squirrel hunting this year. It puts some nice dents in rimfire steel at 30 yards. Impressed with these clay block test.
Wow, ballistics don't lie!!! That's some awesome squirrel chasing power right there. Sweet!!
Very impressive and educational.
That's really cool! I tried mixing up some joint compound as thick as I could get it. Shot it with a Daisy 880 and was surprised! 11/2" hole in the front and 3/4 out the rear of 7 1/2" of block!
Shewee
Yes 25 caliber is better for hunting medium game.very good video 👍🇺🇸🇧🇷
this video was great. I have a .117 and a .25 pellet guns. I love my 25.
Really wished you would of dug the 22 cal pellet out so we could see the expansion. You should do a test with regular hollow points compared to the pellets with the Phillips screwdriver looking tip.
25!
Seems like both guns were tuned differently since you had about a 10 gr difference in pellet weight and very similar muzzle velocities. What was the reg set to on both? How many turns of the HS?
Respect. I had no idea. Very impressive.
Really cool I like them both
Even though you mentioned that they were the same pellet - the weight and energy would be the deciding factor.. You never mentioned the weight of the pellets.. If you are going to do a true comparison then you would need to use 25 gran pellets for both the .22 and .25 and adjust the velocity to be the same.. This way they both have the same muzzle energy.. With that said then the .22 would have more penetration where as the .25 would have a larger hole.. Also, the .25 would slow down faster and loose more energy for any given distance, meaning that if the muzzle energy is the same then at 100 yards the .22 would retain more energy and be going faster.. So when the velocity and muzzle energy is the same the .22 would be faster, have more energy and penetrate deeper at 10yards to infinity.. Comparing 18.52 grain .22 vs 28.24 grain .25 at about the same velocity is not a true comparison because the .25 with the heavier pellet has way more energy.. Pop a 25 grain .22 and increase the velocity so that the energy is about the same as the .25 and you may see a whole different ball game.. You probably would find that the .22 dominates the .25 at all ranges.. The only advantage that the .25 has is the ability to shoot 30-40+ grain pellets, but under 30 grains the .22 would have the advantage..
I'd love to have a pcp in either though both of my Springers are in 22. I just need to justify the cost of the compressor and tank. BUT with the Gas powered Springer, I can leave that in the closet, not worry about whether there is air in it keeping the seals good and grab it real quick, pump and shoot. BUT, the PCPs are generally so much more dialable and usually have sweeter triggers.
You know, what I really need is MORE TOYS!
I am a little upset. Man like you gotta have a pocket knife. Dig that pellet out and lets look at it.
Little more powerful than my Daisy I grew up with LOL!
Great video. I looked for a Who-Tee-Who video because my son was talking about Batman. Since one Batman villains is literally a human turned into clay, the Batman family members who use guns should watch this to learn which gun to use.
Well, that's impressive. They both did a lot more damage than I would have guessed. I'm liking that .25 myself.
Damn! I didn't know an air rifle could pack that much punch! Nifty! I'd use either one, they look quite beautiful and well made.
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Surprising how equal they were at that close if you get time and looking for another video idea maybe a redo at a double or triple distance.
But have to say awesome video
Good idea
outstanding!! 25 for I.👍
Cool,22
I would probably go with the 25 caliber. It seems to have more penitration power. Good vidio!
Simple and sweet. .25 clear victory.
Come on!! You shouldn't chew on lead. 😂😂😂
I have a 22 cal air rifle and it gets the job done for sure.
You should try the h&n coppertip pallets.. they are squirrel droppers in .177 but great video brother 💪🏼🤠🇺🇲
Thanks for watching
pushed both these calibers many times through gel at high velocity and 30 yard range. with a fx gun the only pellet to expand is a crosman destroyer. got much more expansion with the .25 cal. it doesnt scale . the .25 has the momentum to open up.
25 and that sweet Riffle, wow that is awesome.
22 cal with 40 grain slug for myself. Less air consumption, further travel, greater expansion, and cheaper slugs compared to 25 cal slugs
Yeah, but. 25 slugs have much more energy, like 50%
22 cal
Amazing
I am more than willing to learn something new!
Thanks for watching!!!
@@WHOTEEWHOSoon let's see if you teach me something new, and I am sure that you will! A happy Saturday to you and all by the way! And goodness me it is hot today for the both of us!
You just did!
That copper and green is awesome I can't wait to buy one of these bad boys on pyramidair 👍
That was awesome am impressed when we get off short time I'm going to have to get me one of those in 25 enjoyed the video as always
What ft/lb s are the guns giving 840-860 ft/sec ?
22 pellets easy to find the 25 not so easily available so might be most folks better choice both equal as for hunting application on small game
You know your going to have to catch those pellets in gell blocks now
These clay videos always amaze me 🤪
Me too
.25
Wow, air rifles!!!
My .25 shoots those 28 grain pellets at 1150 fps. You should always shoot away the first shot if it's been sitting around to replenish the plenum. Thanks for the comparison.
H&N barracudas are mean rounds, definitely get good expansion on impact. But for me depends on range and game. I have seen people take hogs with a 25, loads can be heavier with a bigger pellet. But this means a larger arc when shooting as well, the 22 is flatter and faster. Speed doesn't always equal power though. I enjoy shooting 22 more but the game you can take is limited.
Love pyramid air!
Try longer distance
A couple years ago I got really interested in PCP rifles after binge watching guys in the UK shooting rats. It faded and I kind of forgot about it, but now here you come with this! Lol.. I guess I have no choice but to get one now! I’m thinking .25 to start with.
Who tee who that 25 cal has a horseshoe trajectory sorta if you can get used to it its a sledgehammer of a calibre hit quarry like a concrete block but does ricochet i found i stick with 22 cal i can split paper with a single shot what more accuracy do i need lol very close range at say 10 yards i load pellets backwards its like a hollow point does exellent job any further its not ballistic coefficient but I use crossman destroyer another exellent slug you should test them in clay they expand like rifle bullets but them slugs your using are tok heavy for our uk sub 12 foot pounds legal muzzle energy 👍🐾🦊🇮🇹🇺🇲
Okay, Hootie. I've been watching your videos for a few years now.
You got my sub.
I appreciate that. Thanks for watching!
Both surprised me.
Me too
If my choice is one of those two same guns, I wouldn’t choose for caliber. I ll chose the rifle most accurate at 50 yards regardless of caliber.
Is it at all possible to try dieseling on a pcp rifle and is it harmful to the inner components?
I do not recommend it. Not necessary
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Great, now I’m going to have to buy one. Thanks Who Tee Who! 🍻
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I love to have eather one of them guns lol they are awesome looking
I LOVE your videos !!! .... I have to say I was shocked to see you putting LEAD pellets in your lips ! I did that as a kid and scares me to death now knowing how toxic it is. No offense meant. Keep up the awesome work.
You could be the voice actor for Hank Hill
Dangit bobby
@@WHOTEEWHO pocket sand!
Crazy stuff! 😀
Air thumpers!!!