Devastating News for Canon R7 and R10 Owners - What You Need to Know
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2022
- Canon has blocked 3rd party manufactures from making Canon RF mount autofocus lenses, and this is devastating news for Canon R7 and R10 owners.
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1. Canon made a 17-55 f2.8 EF-S lens (launched in 2006)
2. Canon makes f4 L-Series zooms, price between $1300-$2000, not great for low light or blurry backgrounds, but more affordable than the other L Lenses.
3. Don't shoot the messenger. -This saying came about because of the natural urge, in some people, to get angry at the person delivering the bad news, instead of the source of the bad news. This is not an attack on you, or your camera selection, this is about company exploiting its customers, in search of greater profit, and is likely short sighted by Canon.
Was about to confirm the same. Have the EFS17-55 and a very good lens!
I'm just being silly I'm a d850 guy myself not pro. Pictures are what keeps my alcoholism at bay.
I used to have the 17-55 f2.8 EF-S and it was almost L quality in all but weather proofing I think
@@dizmatt1 wow, great insight, I will try to get my hands on one. Thanks.
another small edit, I presume 1. Canon made a 17-55 f2.8 EF-S lens (launched in 2016) should be 2008 or similar.
Canon did make an EF-S 2.8 zoom lens ... the 17 -55mm and many (including me) considered it to be very close in image quality to "L" series lenses
Hi Mark, I agree with your views and really hope that Canon will release the rumored RF-S 16-55 IS F2.8 very soon in the RF-S lineup. How about a test of the RF 14-35 F4L and the RF 24-105 F4L on the R7? I do believe that, in the absence of good RF-S glass, these two lenses would be used by those who are seeking better image quality. Many thanks
Staying with the EF-M platform seems an even better decision now!
It’s insane, but it has a better lens lineup! It’s the one thing so many of the reviewers complained about, and the options for RF-S cameras are way worse.
I regret going with ef-m...wish I would have spent the extra and just went straight to the RF mount..
My upgrade from EF-M was Fuji. I liked my M50 but it was clear shooters like me were an afterthought to Canon unfortunately.
The Canon 32mm F1.4 is a stunning EF-M lens.
@@philfyphil It rarely left my M50 once I had it. Easily the best lens on the system. The Sigma 16mm was my second favorite.
I'm staying with the M50 as my B and C cameras for at least another year or two for all that you have stated. It matches better with EF mount lenses (newer formulas) with an adapter not to mention the native mounts from Sigma. The 18-35 F1.8 is still the best option for versatility.
Yes, I think the Sigma 18-35 might be the one lens that saves the R7 too. I need to do some testing with that setup, R7 could be worth while just to use with that lens.
The lens hood does help. I just have to aware of the lens limitations.
@@markwiemels R7 heavy with 18-35 with adapter, Sony A7iii with 28-75 F/2.8 is lighter !!
@@ciaranconlon yeah, I don’t doubt it.
Within the last week I purchased the R7 as my first camera, upgrading from an iPhone. I did research on compact mirrorless options but it was a lot to take in. At my local camera store, the sales rep strongly preferred and recommended the R10 and R7. I’d like to know if the RF glass and adapter situation is a problem for intermediate photographers or mostly aimed at pros. Preferably, I’d like to get over five years out of my R7 before spending money on another body.
Which lens did you buy? What kind of photography do you like to do? The RF glass problem is mostly a beginner / intermediate problem unfortunately. Most pros would be able to justify spending the extra $$$ on expensive RF glass, but there won’t be too many inexpensive third party lens options for others to step up to after they’ve outgrown their kit lens.
It really is hard to say. Some people will find that their needs are met by the lenses available, others will find that the exact lens they need is not even available or out of their price range. So I can't really give a definitive answer, right now, as a new user, you won't even be sure what lenses you will want or need yet.
@@markwiemels Your last sentence is true. I can’t tell one lens from another.
To answer Vishal’s questions, I have the 18-150mm kit lens. Went with this stupid because of size and weight for hiking and shooting nature and wildlife. Beyond that, tourist attractions, sites and people as I travel.
Just a correction. There is a constant aperture zoom lens for the EF-S. The 17-55mm f2.8 IS USM
Yes, I did correct that with the text overlay, I probably made the text too fast. That is a 16 year old lens.
hello, is it possible to save a still image from the r10 4k video inside the camera, like e.g. with panasonic?
I’m a recreational shooter that recently purchased an R7. I love this camera. I chose it because it doesn’t have a limit on video recording and overheating like the other models. I’m a auto sports fan, and driver so the sports oriented capabilities are in my wheelhouse. That said, I would like to get some not-so-costly alternatives for shallow DOF shots with zoom. In the meantime, I’m having fun peeling back the layers of capabilities on this machine. Thanks for the video, and I’ll keep checking for your work-arounds on the R7.
After having the camera a couple months, how is it treating you in the sports industry? Looking to purchase one but don’t know to get the canon r7 or Nikon z6 ii or a Sony camera.
@@joemike_8725 I’m still loving this camera. I like that I can get some decent glass without paying big bucks for RF stuff. I’ve acquired a number of mid-priced lenses using the Meike EFS-RF adapter with the VND filter. This is plenty of capability for my purposes. I’ve also acquired a Ronin gimbal, and used it to shoot a RUclips for a well-known Tuber. To be clear, I’m not in the motorsports industry, I drive on HPDE track days, and go to races (mostly F1) for fun (and exhilaration). I can’t speak to your other choices, but I went through a lot of side-by-side comps, watched a lot of YT’s, then adjusted the capabilities wanted to my budget. APS-C vs. full frame will be your biggest decision, and that’s going to determine your budget for not only the camera, but mostly the range of lenses you can afford.
Your calculations about sensor equivalent resolution are a little out. The R7 sensor would be 83MP if scaled up to full frame (32.5x1.6x1.6) and the R10 sensor would be 63MP (24x1.6x1.6). But your point is correct, these are dense sensors with high resolution that will give their best results with very good lenses.
Thanks!
was looking at the R7 to upgrade to from my 7dii but I'm stuck now because of the apparent incompatibility with the Sigma 150-600 C glass I have,
I am hearing the same, I would sit tight and see if this get sorted out.
Very interested to hear if anyone out there has used either the R7 or R10 with the Tamron 150-600mm G2, specifically keen to hear about eye tracking and AF speed.
Scan the comments, I think there was someone having issues with the adapter reflection issue I talked about in the video. It was a sigma wildlife lens of some sort.
Great video mate. I am now in the market to buy a new camera. My old Nikon D500 has pretty bad recorder and produces a lot of hiss (white noise) when recording with an external microphone. Do you hear such hiss when recording with an external microphone on the R10?
No, if you get a good mics its not an issue.
Disappointing, but not devastating news. Didn't Canon also initially block third parties from making EF lenses as well? This ban isn't likely forever, just until they can get their Canon RF lens line where they want it. They just don't want folks buying RF mount cameras and filling their lens wish list with third party lenses before they get a chance to offer a full line. Obviously just guessing here, but makes sense.
True but in the meantime it means less people are prepared to go Cannon with other really good alternative options out there. It is a company that looks at its own interests first and nearly always at the expense of their loyal customer base....
@@kevinblythe2192 I'm sorry. I was under the impression that ALL businesses were looking after their own best interests! Those that don't go out of business. Canon has tons of "bean counters" whose single job is determining how the company can maximize their profits (don't tell me that Sony doesn't!) Somehow Canon continues to be the biggest camera seller in the world, despite all their screwups. From what I read, the early third party RF lenses were crap anyway. If this decision was a mistake, they will figure it out soon enough and correct course. Perhaps they have plans to "lease" the rights to certain third party sellers who make quality products, like Sigma. Who knows? One thing that is certain, everytime someone declares Canon dead, they come roaring back stronger than ever.
As a Canon shooter, my bigger concern by far, is the supply problem from Canon. I've had my order in for an R7 since July. Still waiting!
great video! I was looking to buy an r10 or nikon z30 to shoot music videos in 4k. I may shoot scenes at night so I will probably need lenses. Better to go with Z30 or Sony's EV-10 or A7 II ?
Sonys are better for low light, plus have a better lens selection, the A7II would be the best in low light, but would not have the best autofocus performance of the group, but it might be good enough.
For the ef-s mount canon had the 17-55mm f2.8 which was a great image stabilized lens.
Yes, that is the one f2.8 zoom, I corrected this in text overlay. It is 16 years old now.
Buenas tardes equipo! algún flash para la Canon R7 que me puedan dejar el link de amazon para comprar ?
Is the Canon 17-55mm F2.8 an EF-S mount zoom lens?
Also... with this last update, my Samyang lens was bricked. Completely. Not even manual focus works. AND, canon is banning the samyang update lens station too. Canon just stole money right out of my pocket.
This worries me. I have a Samyang RF 14mm that I purchased 18 months ago. I’ve been using it on an R6 without issue but sounds like a future firmware update could change that??
@@markk2473 YES! I have Samyang 14mm, it is completely dead after updating my R5.
@@MikeMena that's awful!!
Good thing, I'm using an EOS R with my Viltrox 85mm 1.8. Doubt they will release a worth installing update for the R.
Have you tried updating the camera to the newest firmware and updating the lens firmware, if possible. I saw on RUclipsr that said his Samyang 85 stoped working, seemly intentionally blocked by Canon, but then in the next camera firmware update it started working again. He believed Canon got pushback from customers and fixed the issue.
I have a Canon m50 and I wanted to upgrade to a full frame would you still recommend one of these canon cameras or switch to Sony
To answer this properly, I really need to make a video, I have been meaning to make this and will try to get it out this week. It’s not a straight forward A or B answer, so it really depends on a number of things.
Thoughtfully and thoroughly explained. I've been considering the R7 for bird photography for all the stated benefits, but don't like the idea of having its use for other types of photography so limited due to the lack of quality lenses. Think I'll continue to 'sit on the fence' to see what Canon or other brands may do.
Hopefully they will fill out the lens lineup in 2023.
Sorry i didnt understand well. I am using sigma 18-35 ,tamron 70-200, tamron 17-55, canon 100mm, canon 10-24 , canon 40mm with eos r7 with meike vnd adapter and they works well. I didnt notice of light diffrence or something wrong on video. i have already owner of eos 7d markii. and sometimes i am using bmpcc 4k with adapter. But i notice slow focus doesnt work with these lenses it says only with suitable lenses(i guess rf month) and i am waiting update about this but you are saying canon will close 3rd part lens. if it will happen i am sure i will sell my r7 camera. Could you please explain more specific what is the problem exactly and what will happen?
This is only for RF mount lenses, not adapted EF lenses, so you are all ok with that you have.
Also, by contrast, as a “for instance…”, Panasonic worked with Sigma and their EF to L mount adapter to develop new firmware to better accommodate 3rd party lenses. Now there is a company that puts their customers first!
So the best budget upgrade from the M 50 is the RP sine I do have EF lens?
Probably the RP or R10.
Once you use the 17 to 55 EF-s lens indoors, any of the kit lenses feel like junk. I have thought about the R7 paired with some big glass I own, I decided to wait until there is a RF-S 17 to 55,f2.8, but a new design, hopefully lighter. I am a fan of Rokinon as well. The 16mm f2 EF-s is light and extremely sharp.
I still have the 17-55/2.8, I haven’t used it for years but it is a superb piece of glass
The Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 already mentioned by others is just one of the best lens for APS-C ever made! Period. And Canon blocking third party access to RF mount is just nuts!
So that means u can use sigma on r7 anymore ?
That might be the best interchangeable lens of our lifetimes. Pinnacle cinema glass for independent filmmakers.
Good video Mark. Excellent points!
Thanks.
I just bought the R7 moving up from the M50, I have an RF mount from Vello ($99 on Amazon) and my autofocus works just, fast and sharp. Was going to go back to my Viltrox Speed Booster/Mount but this Vello works great. I have the Sigma 18-35 1.8 Art lens, Canon 70-200 2.8 II, classic 50 1.8 and an 85 1.5, all perform great.
Thanks for sharing.
i think canon will block this in the future - they hate their customers so much...
@@TheFalkingFive lol
Im so confused. Your saying the 16mm 2.8 has bad IQ? Im using on my r8 and it looks pretty good to me. But im coming from a Canon M50 + kit lens. right now all i have is the rf 16mm and 50mm and i think they look good.
There is a difference between “technical” image quality get images you like. If you are enjoying the images from those lenses then I would not worry anything else.
@@markwiemels You mean pixel peeping bad IQ?
I own the R5 and several RF lenses (retirement gift to self). I was thinking of adding a cropped sensor body for wildlife. Is there a downside to using my RF lenses on the R7?
For the most part no, this is the prefect use for the camera.
@@markwiemels thanks
Thinking to buy tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD G2 for my r10 with Canon adapter. Will it be fine?
I would try to find someone on the forums that has used that combo. The results are all over the place with different lenses.
there are 2 No-Go signs already without further investigation:
- Takom..... Tamar..... Tarmon, TAMRON.... sounds stupid and 90%+ of their lenses are utterly garbage
- VC stands for stabilizer, true?! Could work on the R10, but never ever think about any EOS R camera with IBIS, Canons IBIS and 3rd party stabe are.... also utterly garbage, even most stabilized Canon EF lenses suck on a R-system with IBIS.
Mark you have probably left this chat the now, but can you use a EF 500mm on it with the adapter? I have the 7dmkii and thinking of getting this model
I have not tested that model. The results are all over the place, with different lenses, so you really need to find someone with real world experience, I would try the Facebook forums.
Can we adapt sigma ef lens on canon r7?
thank you, this was some important information
Why not use the full frame r mount lenses and suffer the 1.6x crop?
I have been shooting a crop Canon since the original 6mp kiss. I have a t7i and am wanting a new body. I have two lenses for the crop camera. I am trying to see what is the better solution for me. A mirrorless or a DSLR. Trying to stay around $2000 USD.
I wouldn’t consider a DSLR now, canon said, some time ago, they don’t plan to further developed those cameras or lenses. It would be buying into a dead system. You can adapter your current lenses to mirrorless, and still use them.
How does the Canon 18-135 IS STM hold up adapted to the R7?
Don't have that lens myself.
Made it here via Handsome Alley. Great video. I have the R7 and really only bought it because I shoot a lot of birds and that RF 100-400 and 800mm f/11 are great options. I will also use the R7 with the EF-S 10-18 lens for vlogging. I also have the R5 so the lenses will server dual purpose. You have a new sub here. Cheers.
Hi, yes, I think you are essentially the ideal user for this Camera, with really no comprises with those RF lenses.
great and informative video!!!
I'm looking to buy the R7, I was considering switching to SONY before the R7 but I was held back by the fact that I have some great EF glass(70-200 f/2.8 ii, 16-35 f/2.8 iii a sigma 30mm f/1.4, and 24-70mm f/2.8L first gen I got them all preowened), I'm a hardcore hobbyist trying to go pro at a decent pace without breaking bank, I know you made some points about adapters and all but do you think its a bad idea if I went ahead and bought the R7, I'm getting it mainly for its video specs...
I think the R7 could be a great camera for you, and my concerns about some of the adapted lenses not resolving the 32.5mp are not the same for video, 4k video is only 8mp, all of those lenses should resolve that level of detail (I would think). So yes, I would recommend it for your needs.
Thanks you so much, your response is greatly appreciated.
I will browse through the rest of your videos when I get a chance as I only just discovered your channel🙏🏾
I suspect there will be a lot of gems 💎 in there!
Rf lineup lacks ef-m 28 macro + wide angle. however is an ef-s 35 macro with light. as r10 got focus bracketing. i still think it is a great camera with ef-s 60(ef exstension tube not working with aperature)
Can I use sigma's 16mm f1.4 lens on canon r10 with the ef adopter??
No, that's an EF-M lens.
Buying canon crop sensor is a mistake right now
Thank you for making this video. I just returned my Canon R7 kit (upgrading from an 80D) because of the poor results I was getting adapting my two favorite EFS lenses the 15-85 and the 55-250 STM. I had better results with the 18-135 nano USM lens, perhaps as you point out due to the more modern focusing motors and stabilization in that lens. (BTW, I thought the results with the 18-135ef were better than the 18-150rf kit lens in terms of rendering, eg, better color and clarity, and the 18-135 was also a bit wider at 18 mm.) I do have to wonder if this is why the body-only R7 has been so badly delayed. My first thought was it was because they wanted to sell more RF kit lenses, but knowing the problems with the older EFS lenses specifically, perhaps they realize that if people adapt them they will be immediately disappointed with the results, like I was, and return the camera.
Very good point.
What do you think your next purchase might be? I am shooting with a T5i and had previously struggled between upgrading to a 90D or an R7. I am so glad I waited.
@@kyl3sh3a I tried the 90d. It is nice and very similar to the 80d. Not a big upgrade for me, but it would be from a T5i. The R7 is not a bad camera, but in my opinion you need RF lenses to consistently get good results with it, and as this video points out, there aren't many RF lenses catering to APSC right now. I personally will wait a bit longer before upgrading so I don't sink a bunch of cash into something that might not fit my needs.
@@leelo7824 this is bullshit lol, you absolutely do not need RF glass for the R7. In fact, EF glass adapted to the R7 works fantastically. To anyone reading this in the future take this user's comment with a grain of salt.
@@znub206 I agree lol, good glass is good glass.
Thanks for this video. I have the R7 and an adapter to the Sigma 150-600mm and there is definitely artifact when greater amount of light comes from the side. Sometimes I can crop and save the image.
That's very interesting to hear. Have you found anything that helps? doe the lens hood make any difference? I am going to try and explore this issue with the lenses that I have.
Ugh its so true that this really hurts the R10 and R7 users the most. Those in the R6 and R5 realm are likely pros and can perhaps afford some of the native glass with money they're making off of paid photography work. But I remember when I had a T3i back in the day (and I feel like the R10 is a successor in a way to that lineup), if there weren't third party options, I would have been stuck with mediocre glass and never grown.
I'm a pro and shoot with an R5... and I'm not happy about this either. I've been shooting with adapted EF lenses because the new RF L lenses are so incredibly expensive, and after spending 4k on a camera body, another 3k for a lens is a hard no for me. I've been kind of low key angry about the lens prices for a long time and now with this news it just feels like they are taking their clients for granted. But I think you are right in general that the R10 and R7 users are going to be affected the most.
A 99.00 adapter and you can use hundreds of third party EF lenses, many of which you can get used at really good prices. Not really an issue. I now have three mirrorless Canon cameras (two R6s and one R5) and am waiting on my R7. I do not own a single piece of RF glass and have no immediate plans to buy any. I have a small fortune in EF glass that works very well.
@@alansach8437 True, and I use EF glass with my R5 now which works well. For me it's the principle of the matter, as well as the fact that I should be able to choose from a variety of lenses instead of being locked in to the most expensive only.
@@alansach8437 Unfortunately, you are not completely right. Native RFs have new options (focus speed, stabilization, size, control ring) that EF simply doesn't offer. Among other things, the lens and chip stabilization works only with RF and will help by a lot of EV... The adjustment ring is also quick to get used to, it's a nice novelty. Yes EF works and the Sigma 50mm F1.4 ART is the TOP lens I have on the R6 so far, but...
"Ugh its so true that this really hurts the R10 and R7 users the most"
Utter drivel. The EF-RF adaptor works just as well on the crop cameras as it does on the FF cameras.
I was waiting for this video from you I was looking for this for ages as I thought about selling all my eos m equipment lens. And body’s to get the R10 ! Now I can have transparency and good information we’re see what you say !
Glad it was helpful!
I'm now so glad I cancelled my R7 pre-order. I was already frustrated by a 2+ month wait for stock and growing increasingly worried about the likely performance of my adapted EF glass. And now this blow concerning third party lenses. I wanted to upgrade from my ageing DSLR to mirrorless, but I think I'll be better off with a used DSLR upgrade as a stop gap and then consider whether to get completely out of the Canon ecosystem in the future. I really don't get what Canon are thinking here. Surely it's not in their interest to drive long term users away, but it's what they are doing with this approach to lens support.
Very interesting video. I think my usual photographic subjects are a much narrower range than most people here. I live on the gulf coast about 15 minutes away from Pensacola, FL. And during their season I’m usually photographing the US Navy Blue Angels at most of their practices and shows in Pensacola. I also try to photograph Pensacola’s minor league baseball team when I can.
I’m currently using the 80D with the EF 100-400 LII and have been pleased, but am really looking forward to renting an R7 later this month for 4 of the Blue Angels’ practices. I’ve already bought the base Canon adapter and am really looking forward to seeing the results I’ll get with the R7.
For the type of photography I’ve described, do you think the R7 and 100-400 LII will be a good combination? If I’m pleased, I’ll probably go ahead and get the R7 as I’ll be finished paying the lens off soon. I’m in no hurry to add to my humble lens collection, and although it’s considered to be a cheap kit lens, I was fairly happy using the EF-s 55-250 IS STM. I was very pleasantly surprised with the detail and sharpness I got with that lens, and I’m curious to see what it’ll do mounted on the R7.
Sorry I rambled on about stuff that probably doesn’t interest a lot of folks here. I was just mainly interested in what you thought of the R7/100-400 combo. And if perhaps you’ve used it, what kind of results you got? Thanks, have a good day.
It could be a good camera, but we are seeing some major issues with that R7 ibis not working properly with the IS in some of the adapted lenses. You just want to make sure that your lenses will work well with the R7. Right now Canon is not publishing this information, so we are relying on user reports.
Thanks Mark. I’d read somewhere about possible issues with the lens’ IS and the camera’s IBIS. The good thing about who I’m renting from is that they’ll send the equipment out a few days before my actual rental period. So I’ll have a few days “free of charge” to get familiar with it and learn a little more before I do any important shooting. Thanks again for the info.
Very well explained. This is the reason I'm sticking to the EF-M gear I already have and have not replaced my M50 or M6. If Canon continue to treat the cropped sensor range of R-mount cameras as second class, I will probably look elsewhere (Sony, Fuji) for upgrades in the future. Sigma's new 18-50mm F2.8 zoom for APS-C mirrorless is so attractive, that it alone is tempting me away from Canon.
I was considering replacing my 80D with a R7 but now not so sure. Fortunately I still have a Sigma 16mm for m mount for my M6. Perhaps I can switch from M6 to the M6ii with 4K on used market or Amazon and keep my m mount Sigma 16mm for vlogging. Thanks for review! Essentially the R10 is an updated M6ii but with RF mount. However M6ii is 32mp.
I think the M6 Mark II is a great upgrade for M series owners, highly recommend it.
@@markwiemelsI think that Canon's decision too eliminate a built-in viewfinder was a terrible decision. I would have bought an M6 or upgraded my M5 for an M6ii, but being unable to to use a viewfinder AND a flash at the same time was a deal killer. I use my flash a lot--for macro, creative lighting and effects, and for freezing moving objects like insects--and I need the extra stability of having the camera pressed against my face, not to mention that there is no glare when looking through a viewfinder.
Ugh, and here I was finally happy that I decided I want then canon R7 and you saying the lenses are limited. 🤦🏽. Okay okay. So what should start with the T8i for just taking pictures at parties with a backdrop ? So I need a 35 prime lens and a low light lens which lens can fulfill that for lower light darker back ?
Maybe a eos rp and the RF 35 1.8, or switch to sony full frame, like an a7c.
M6 mk 2 vs this camera? Do you have a video comparison?
No, people have been asking though.
Use the canon 90D recommended lenses ,it's also a 32MP sensor and has similar challenges for lens resolution
Thank you Mark for this great video. I was thinking of purchasing the Canon r7, but I am having second thoughts. Having a good selection of third party lenses is very important to me. Keep up the great work. Your communication skills are excellent.
Thank you so much. I would not say you should abandon the idea, but it might be worth holding out and see what happens. I have the R7 and R10 and feel a bit cheated right now.
I have the rebel t7 and have 4 ef lenses (24mm, 50mm, 18-55 kit & 75-300 kit). Currently interested in the r7 and the adapter to use my ef lenses. But now I’m nervous. Any chance you can help and do some testing with examples? Just subbed turned notifications 😀
Yes, I do plan to do that, and I have some of those lenses too.
@@markwiemels thank you so much. I can't wait to see your findings. Might help me and others from wasting money
I had an R6. It died at the first wedding just as the bride was about to walk in. Error 70. I sent it back. The replacement died of the same issue even before I’d put a lens on it out of the box. I didn’t get as far as setting up the menus. Refunded and I went with the Sony A7C and £600 back in my pocket. So glad I did. It’s epic at video.
My first R7 had the same error.
@@markwiemels Canon rushing rubbish out.
For me, the ef-s 60mm macro is my go to lens on the R7. That, and the mp-e 65mm covers most of my nature photo needs (most of my work). If I wasn't already a Canon shooter, I'd have to really consider Sony or Nikon.
Thanks for the heads up on those lenses, good to hear what people are having some success with.
I've used adapted FD glass on a Fuji X-T2/X-T4 & X-Pro2 and they are super sharp.
Is it all a matter of price with the rf and rf-s lenses? I guess the rf lenses work just fine on the r7 but is to pricey?
Also large, and limited selection/options, especially for fast wide lenses.
Also, I highly doubt Canon will make a version of the EF-M 32mm ƒ/1.4 in the RF-S mount. They'll port a limited number of kit lenses then force people to buy expensive (and unnecessary) RF FF glass
If it's unnecessary how will they force people to buy it? Who knows? Years from now, when the market is flooded with used RF glass, maybe I'll buy some, but meantime, I am perfectly content using adapted EF glass.
I think they will bring it, it's easy, and it's a great lens that they didn't sell many on the EF-M mount.
@@markwiemels Yes, it would be trivial for Canon to port that lens over, and would certainly make the APS-C R format much more enticing. I'll see it when I believe it!
I had Sony Nex and Canon M years ago I sold all my Sony gear when the RP was launched. Now I regret it. I was thinking to move to RF, but then never appear that "M50 replacement" or "Rebel series replacement" in RF mount. And now when RF APSC cameras exist, then there isn't lenses. I'm using EF lenses with my M cameras, but I wanted to go without adapters, so I waited for RF lenses. It was a big mistake. For me Canon is dead. I will go with Sony again and maybe Nikon in the future.
Thank you,
As a 60D user with 17-55 f2.8 have to re-evaluate my plan to purchase R7
Here in Canada pricing at nearly $CDN3,389 with tax that's well over $4000 for the Canon RF 70-200mm F2.8 L is USM Lens, I'm a casual photographer and this is way out of my range.
I just made the mistake of buying into their platform. Wonder if i can return the camera
I’m disappointed in Canon’s direction here, I hardly use their cameras now. Up to recently Canon was my preferred brand.
Seems like you missed the 17-55mm f2.8 USM EF-S lens. It’s a great crop sensor zoom lens. I have it.
Yes, I referenced in a txt overlay that there was one f2.8 zoom, that’s the one I found. People seem to love it.
Thanks so much for this video. I was considering adding an R7 to use along with my R5 just like I did with the 7D II and 5D III and IV but May have to rethink that plan. I have very fine L series RF glass but there are no high quality RF primes with 20 to 50 mm ( 12 to 32 mm full frame) focal lengths to use with it. Even on an R5 I have to adapt an EF 35mm f/1.4L II to get a f/1.4 lens. That and the 1.6 crop factor instead of moving to 1.5 like everybody else should have been corrected. Finally 32.5 Mpixels is fine if you have high quality glass but at 78 Mpixel FF equivalent there is no real glass in FF to support that pixel density. Canon has never gone above a sensor with 50 Mpixels in FF. Sony has gone to 61 Mpixels which is less than 27 Mpixels cropped.
Good insight here, thanks.
I am saddened that canon kind of abandoned EFM but I would consider myself somewhat of a hard-core hobbiest in photography but the M50 is good and it's crazy to think it's not good enough. But In like 5 years or whenever my m50 dies I will most likley switch to sony
With you on this will look nearer the time and guess what it definitely wont be Canon
Fuji for me, when the time comes to say goodbye to my M6 mark II
at the Moment m50 as well! In a few years (maybe sooner 😅) fuji!
I literally just got the M50 mk2 using an older EFs 18-135 (had it from a older cam) next camera is gonna be sony or even fuji
Please do a review of the adapted segma lens like the 18-35 1.8 DC HSM art and Sigma 50-100 1.8 DC HSM art lens for canon EF with the R10 and R7. These lenses were designed for APS-C format. Thanks for all your hard work.
Yes, that's on my list, hopefully soon.
I really wish Sigma would release an ef-m version of the 18-50 f2.8 lens they put out for Sony. That would solve my issue with the lack of a fast and sharp zoom for my m50 and M6 mkii. I recently bought the sigma ef 17-50 f2.8 and it's working fine, just heavy and noisy for video.
Yeah, that 18-50 looks great, I don't think it has IS, which is the only downside.
True...the IS on the 17-50 isn't great anyway, but that would be great if the 18-50 had it. It definitely would be light enough for a gimbal though.
What to say? Canon wake up while there is time! You are not the only one who knows how to make quality cameras, but you are probably the only one who is afraid of the competition. In my country there are 5 AF glasses for RF under 600$, for SONY E there are 41!
Canon is too arrogant to hear this.
Thanks for the heads up, now I am clear about purchasing Sony ZV-E10 over R10
You are going to need to use newer EF glass. If you want better results or just keep an older dslr
I already left detailed remarks on Northrup's channel where I read this first. Canon has raked up the prices for the new lenses and has never been receptive to user recommendations and suggestions. Sony has always been very receptive and responsive. The A7R3 and A7R4 I own are definitely better than the R5. Canon waits forever then plays "I'm just as good" (much later.) But video on the R5 overheats my camera and Canon limited the length to prevent cutting into their cinema line. I had it with Canon. This is confirming the nagging suspicions I harbored for years. I made a big mistake back then and Canon has confirmed they would rather wring the money out of me than support my loyalty. Sony, you have earned my respect and now my business. Ironically Canon is pushng me into their arms. Canon you are a huge disappointment.
It is sad.
You are not alone, 3 years ago I went down this path and chose to give Sony a try. VERY happy with my decision even though it seemed costly switching at the time. Best way I can put it is Sony listens and makes changes based on what we want, Canon on the other hand is like and old grumpy person set in their ways that says it's my way or the highway. My cousin, another professional photographer that started with Canon digital over 20 years ago after seeing what Sony's doing is not buying into their system and adapting his old glass.
I seem to be going down the same path. I have an 80D but see no path forward with Canon on a hobbyist's budget with the lens prices. An looking at Fuji X-H2, Nikon Z6 ii, or Sony A7 IV (not RIV). Pluses and minuses with each of these, but all have good lens options in a reasonable budget.
Nice in-depth chat here. So glad I canceled my R7 order(after waiting for over six weeks). All the chatter on RUclips bashed the cropped sensor but I was determined to make it work 'for me'. I finally gave up. I think I want the R5 but will have to wait to win the lottery(or a used one for 3K)...that's a lot of bucks. PLUS...my 2-R6s are just fine(aside from the hot shoes becoming loose and having to repair both of them). I had to put a cage on the R6 so I could connect a wired remote cable from the camera's hot shoe to the cage. This way, if my strobe gets knocked, the hot shoe on the camera suffers no damage. I subscribed...good luck.
Two R6's is a pretty good setup anyways.
I totally agree with that! I've been seriously thinking of changing sides, maybe to Fujifilm
Fujifilm is my favourite system. Highly recommend.
I would like to see a video of the R7 with the Canon Rf 16mm 2.8 lens for video and still.
The only sensible option for R7 is Sigma 18-35mm 1.8, Sigma 50-100mm 1.8, Tokina 14-20mm 2.0 and maybe Sigma 8-16. First three could easily outresolve 32Mpix. All with Meike EF-RF adapter with drop in filters. I have all these lenses and use them on Sony a6600 but it is not ideal beacause of ergonomics. FF lenses for R7 make sense only if these are telephoto lenses. Just using crop body to get more reach while not sacrificing resolution by cropping. But you are right. It is a bummer. Especially wide angle options could benefit from good proper mirrorless designs by third-party manufacturers.
Agree.
@@markwiemels So maybe you will be able to test some of these combinations? Sigma 18-35 is tested with R7 by Josh Sattin. But maybe Tokina, Sigma 8-16? These make lots of probolems with AF on Sony a6600.
Very fair i think. Good explanation of the 'FF lenses are less good on crop bodies' - that will cause a few to start hyperventilating on the spot :D But you're dead right, I don't expect quality pro level lenses to come to the RF-S mount either. You either adapt the crop sigmas or make do, or go with manual APS-C lenses, but thats a tough sell to this generation.
Yes, I am going to try and do some stuff around manual lens and convince some of them, its really opens up the options.
I personally own a Canon 7d Mark II and a 7d Mark I. Recently, I've been thinking of buying an R7. I use a Sigma 150-600mm on my 7d Mark II for bird watching. They work fine. I am a little worried if this Sigma will do okay on the R7.
I suspect it will be fine, but I would ask in some of the facebook forums and see if you can find someone that has tested it. There is an EOS-R Series Facebook Group.
Great video. My R7 is coming next month. I am on a budget. I cannot afford the high end. I have seen the sigma 18-35 being recommended as a good video lens that works well on the r7. Any comment on this bud ? Have you hard anything
I have done some initial testing of the 18-35 and the results were excellent. I will be making a video about the R7 Sigma 18-35mm combination.
@@markwiemels thanks for getting back to me so quick bud. Yes definitely going to be my next lens purchase for it. Interesting to see the speed booster Vs normal converter results :) thanks man.
I have always bought full frame lenses for all the APS-C cameras I've owned for the last 20 years - my first digital camera was an EOS D60 from 2002 .... I am a hobby photographer, not a pro, and I've never bought an EF-S lens as it would be useless should I ever decide to go full-frame, and I have no intention of buying RF-S either. I love the effective x1.6 crop ... and I am not concerned about lack of sharpness or vignetting in the corners/edges as the camera is only using the centre of the lens, the edges fall outside the sensor. This was the case during the cross-over from film to digital - in the late 90s - all the pros were clinging to film and dissing digital... the film cameras were all full-frame and the lens selection was pretty much all full-frame - owners of early DSLRs with APS-C sensors just had to make do with full-frame - no-one went bust because of it. Not a lot has changed, just the pro film cameras are now available as full-frame digital equivalents, and a range of pro and consumer glass based on full frame will suffice, just like it did 2 decades ago. I see EF-S and RF-S as consumer lenses for consumer, not enthusiast users, for people who buy a kit, lens included, and in RF-S terms, the 18-45 or 18-150 will keep most of those consumers very happy. Anyone wanting better glass can buy from the full-frame line-up, the 100-400 is effectively a 160-640 making it a real bargain. To me using full-frame lenses is not and never was a problem ... but being tied to Canon only .... that's a problem. From a manufacturers perspective, there is probably far less profit in development and sale of an RF-S lens, which can only be used on APS-C cameras compared to an RF lens which can be used on both ... and if you want fast glass then there are the F2,8 and F4.0 full-frame trinity lenses - you only miss out on the wide-angle stuff, but for that you can buy an inexpensive prime or RF-S.
Thanks for sharing.
I have owned Canon EOS 7D crop and Canon EOS 6D full-frame cameras for the past several years, happy with their performance. I traveled with my 7D shooting architecture, wildlife, mountain ridges and all kinds of events exclusively with a Tamron 18-400mm F/3.5-6.3 DI-II VC HLD lens, and I took my 6D with Canon L and DO series lenses to social events and art shows. I think both are great cameras, but I have decided to upgrade to mirrorless and bought an EOS RP, selling the 7D. I do not make money out of photography, even though I have participated in a number of art shows, but I care a lot about quality and performance. My RP works great with my old lenses, I was expecting to keep them all, using Tamron as my only travel lens. What I did not foresee, or perhaps I just did not think well of, was the crop factor - I am only getting about 11 megapixels on the Tamron with RP compared to 18 on the old 7D. Yes, the lens works well, it's fast and has been recently updated, but the cropped image size is only 3888 x 2592. It's definitely not worth using on a full-frame camera. Now here's the question: is it worth buying a Canon EOS R10 as a light travel camera for the heavy Tamron 18-400? Just for the sake of using the lens, which I love. I am not sure how it would perform with the 18-400 lens. The RP is superb, but it's good with FF lenses only.
I can confirm the Sigma 150-600 gives better results on the R7 than the M50.
I have not updated the firmware yet. I wonder if it will affect the Canon adapter also for my Sigma lens.
Oh, interesting, some of the people, on the forums, are saying they are getting pulsing and uncertainty in the autofocus. Are you getting any of this? I was think about buying that lenses for the R7, until I saw those comments.
@@markwiemels On very close subjects there can be pulsing. I'm talking about image quality. And the ability to crop without worrying about grain is also another bonus over the M50. If there is a sharper lens for an R7 APSC sensor then I do not need it.
@@markwiemels I just bought the RF 100 400mm. It is so much lighter than the Sigma. This also has issues of totally ignoring the subject and focusing on the background. But as with the Sigma pulsing it only happens in certain situations. The Sigma is the better lens being faster and sharper. But I will keep both. I thought these RF lenses would be far superior but they're being outperformed by older glass. Though the autofocus is a bit faster on the Canon lens.
@@metal4k787 I love the idea of that lens paired with the R7. I’m hopeful that the autofocus issues will be resolved via firmware at some stage.
There is actually a ef-s canon 17-55mm f2.8 which I use. Its quite good imo.
Thanks, we are returning the R7 tomorrow and going with a Fuji camera...
Ive ended up painting the inside of my adapters with vanta black or black 3.0 to remove the reflection issues
We kind of do know what EF lenses resolve well on an R7. We've been using EF full frame lenses on cameras like the 7D series since its release. We also have EF lenses being used on the 90D. And best of all we have the 5DSR which can out resolved just about every lens. Canon has released notes that state which lenses are good for the 5DSR. This is why RF series lenses out perform their EF cousins for the most part.
The biggest problem is that the R5/R6/R7 cannot use the wide-angle lens. Background jerks are a nightmare, don't tell me I've upgraded the firmware. To be honest, the convulsions are still there.
I have a canon, and have the Samyang 85mm, which I really like and a mixture of Canon and 3rd party EF glass. but that Tamron 2.0-2.8.... very tempting but E-mount only :(
Yea, there are a number of great tamron lenses.
I was a RP owner with a number of EF and RF lenses. About to buy a second full frame R6 to complement the RP. Decided to sell the lot and go Sony for the first time because of this policy. Been shooting Canon since 1977 .
How to you like the Sony? Which camera did you get?
I have the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM, a EF 50mm f/1.2L USM, and the Kit lens EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS NANO USM. I mount all of those on the Canon 90D. The two EF lens are awesome on that camera. The EF-S works well with good light, but I almost always have the EF 24-70mm mounted, it just works like a charm. If you like bokeh, 50mm f/1.2 wins, and it kicks ass on the 90D and something like the Canon 5D MK iv. I have rented mirrorless cameras to try out, and I personally believe Canon is holding back on those, just like the EF-S lens. You can get a better percentage of in focus shots, but for best results you still need to be intermediate or Pro, just like any high quality camera. Mirrorless Cameras are competition for cell phones. Most people I meet just buy a cell phone, and that is good enough.
Was thinking to buy R7.. but looking at canon's way of blocking 3rd party lenses ... now am leaning towards a7c or zv10 ...
a7c sounds like a great option
A7c is pretty great, I had a loaner for a month, loved the image quality,
Your numbers are not correct (minute 6:19). The R7 sensor has the same pixel pitch as an 83 megapixel full frame sensor ( 32.5 x 1.6² = 83.2 ). The R10 sensor has the same pixel pitch as a 62 megapixel full frame sensor ( 24.2 x 1.6² = 61.952 ). The crop factor 1.6 applies to length and width !!!
Looking at it from this perspective, the path Canon is following is pretty strange, before APS-C sensor cameras were really entry-level cameras and Canon made a point of making that clear, leaving out more advanced features, exclusive to FF cameras. or the Cinema ones, but now, with the R7 being practically a small R6, it would be smart for Canon to produce quality lenses for the APS-C sensor, as well as the Sigma 18-35 (probably the most used lens in APS-C sensors). in the world). Anyway, I hope they at least let other companies make RF lenses. And there's two Tokina 11-16 and 11-20 2.8 pretty good for APS-C cameras.
Some fair points.
The 7d and 7dii were not "entry level" cameras.
I’ll be linking this video with my r10 and r7 reviews so that i don’t have to explain it. Thanks Mark!! 😀
Thanks, I had to make this video as follow up to my last, I couldn’t cope with explaining this over and over in the comments.
Canon R7 with EF canon adapter here.
Having lots of blurry photos with EF 70-200 F2.8 USM III Could be operator error but never had this issue with my 90D.
Other are reporting issues with adapted lenses too, including focus and IS issues.
@@markwiemels I suspect adapter causes a very high sensitivity of distance . For example closely infront of or behind focus point, more than normal.
Focusing on someones nose may show their eyes as blurry etc. Compensation by F stop may overcome this? Not tried myself yet, sadly photo today were blurry. I'm a very amateur photographer, certainly not a professional so hope my explanation makes sense.
No, that all works the same. It’s just the cameras are not working well with some lenses.
@@markwiemels I refuse to buy additional lenses so will go back to using my 90D until Canon puts out a firmware update to correct for adapted lenses.
Yes, my hope is that this can be fixed with firmware, but I’m not so sure.
Spot on!
R7 was going to be my next camera..
WAS!! Not a pro, or even a serious hobbyist, but I already knew that I had to keep an eye on the lens lineup.
Might end up going Sony now. Would rather spend the extra money and not feel like I've been backed into a corner.
If Canon is thinking that apsc is a stepping stone to ff, there is no way they would get serious in making rfs lens because they would expect you to buy rf lens, ff camera eventually.
Feel bad to those who bought R7 and R10. Canon has no commitment to their customer, you have seen it in what they did to eos-m user, and now to rf apsc, not a surprise honestly.
I may be wrong (wouldn't be the first time!) but I don't think APS C is seen as a "spring board" to full frame. You can buy an entry level full frame camera for about the same as an APS C. Certainly there may be everyday consumers who are just looking for a nice camera with decent features, and don't really understand or care about the difference, but I think the primary customers for APS C are wildlife photographers looking for extra reach with their full frame telephotos. These photographers aren't really interested in dedicated APS C lenses that they can't also use of their full frame cameras. The only APS C lens that might even make sense to them would be a wide angle. I have owned a couple 10ds, 40ds, 7ds and 7d Mark iis. Previously I shot Canon film cameras. I have also owned 5ds (of various generations) and 1ds (of various generations). I never had any interest in buying APS C lenses.
@@alansach8437 Canon definitely sees it that way. They don't look at what photographers are using the most, they only look at their 2021/2022 sales charts and all they see are FF camera sales exploding. They are looking at this through business eyes, not through photography eyes. So what happens when you see that almost all of your camera sales are FF cameras? You start think that everyone eventually moves onto FF cameras and you start to see your APSC cameras as nothing but a stepping stone into FF that is losing you money. So naturally, looking at it from a business perspective, they want to get rid of that and turn it into profit, at any and all cost, even if it means f*cking over their APSC customers/users.
@@nogerboher5266 I don't disagree. However, full frame camera sales were exploding because they didn't have any RF mirrorless offerings in APS C. Realistically, they still don't. The R7 is next to impossible to get!
Logically, Canon should know that it makes absolutely no sense for a consumer to buy an APS C camera and lenses if their intention is to eventually move to full frame. It's a waste of money.
@@nogerboher5266 im skeptical on the sales part, eos m is making quite great sales figures and contributing quite a portion to their whole revenue, yet they still demise it.
Its all about rf development to Canon and that does not include rfs.
@@ryanlam1988 Whatever the case is, you can bet your life that the reason for them doing that, is nothing else but money... That's the point here. Whatever they are doing (or not doing) they are doing so to increase profits. They are too busy being a business, so much so that they forgot how to be a camera manufacturer and how to care about their customers. Well, same can be said for majority of companies nowadays... Not just Canon...
I think this video has some valid points. I am no expert by any means and I know everyone has different needs when it comes to photography. Would spending the $20 or so more on an RP over the R10 or $100 or so more on the R over the R7 work? There is a lot of glass that can be adapted to those cameras(RP and R). My first camera is the RP and I learned a lot from that camera and I think it is a great value for what you get and what lenses you can put on it.
Agreed! I am about to decide on which mirrorless camera to buy and I am realizing that, based on the types of photos I take, the RP is probably my best bet.