Post Office Horizon Inquiry Angela Van Den Bogerd CAUGHT IN LIES
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- Опубликовано: 25 апр 2024
- The police should have been waiting outside the room to arrest her for AT LEAST perjury AT LEAST.
The mainstream media HAVE A LOT to answer for, to say "why did it take a TV Drama to highlight this" is in plain sight admitting they allowed this to carry on far longer than it should. Where was the undercover agents installed into Post Office and Fujitsu to blow out this story DECADES ago? 
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How did these people get onto such a position of power and then claim they are not qualified to understand the job .
That is spot on..
Total liar, disgusting. She watched those poor people getting their lives destroyed, watched people going to jail. How low can a person get.
Then took the money and slept well. They make me sick. They should all be in prison.
In her case, lower than shark shit.
No, not prison. Work in a Post Office with a sign around her neck.
she had 20 year's to make up what she could with the full backing of soliciters paid for by us to the tune of 100 million legal aid signed off by a sunak who has companies partnered with fijitsu .and the best she can come up with is memory loss.
Anyone who workd for any organisation beholden to the Tory Government, they are all scum
If you want to know what a narcessitic sociopath looks like, that's one right there.
Yes, unnaturally calm and unfazed
She is a compulsive liar! She just can’t bring herself to admit that she is one of many who allowed this whole debacle continue for years. She should be facing involuntary ma slaughter charges for those who committed suicide!
i doubt she will face any criminal charges once this enquiry ends. the PMs will get a hefty compensation payout from the taxpayer, and this will all quietly go away.
Hundreds of people don't get wrongly convicted 'by accident'.
People are responsible for this.
This is the key point. Massive spike in shortfalls at same time new branch accounting system goes live. Any 10 year old would investigate the system as obvious YES OBVIOUS cause. All these excuses about ‘I was not an IT specialist’ are disingenuous whitewash.
What a nasty piece of work. She should be prosecuted for telling lies and being ing caught out. These people are all in it together and have questions to answer in a court of law
Won't happen a judge branded her a liar and she did not get done for perjury
And it is really a lot more serious than we could ever imagine . Her and her like should be swapping places with those victims that she helped to imprison AND contributing any money she has toward damages they will win .
Stone faced evil lies.
The police should have been waiting outside the room to arrest her.
As a northerner, I have seen a lot of cattle. From primary school to family days out, I have been to many farms... but until seeing Angela Van Den Bogerd testimony to the inquiry... I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MUCH BULLS**T.
Bullshit spewing out of her lying mouth. Is there any space in the prison farm for her cell to be placed to clean the crap out of her lying mouth
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Do you arrest? Personally as soon as the inquiry evidence phase is over, then arrest.
That means they are more likely to self incriminate. Arrest and they will just say nowt.
@CharlieFlemingOriginal Fujitsu are not included because they are not a public owned, government controlled organisation.
It's a public inquiry, not criminal trial (yet).
Please stop going on about it.
Poor man. She destroyed his whole professional life especially the fact that he worked for NAT WEST before he decided to take on a post office. Shame on her and all involved. I could see the pain still on his face when the lawyer mentioned him. She is one cold fish. She is sitting there and all she is thinking about is herself.
Totally agree. Should should never have freedom again after her prosecution. Perverting the Course of Justice. Each Prison term to the innocent is FALSE IMPRISONMENT that is sitting at her feet. Blame everyone else like a slimy coward. Her pension, bonuses should all be recovered even if it means selling her home. Evil is among us.
Narcissist.
Bureaucratic organisations are full of them.
It is like flies to shit.
Sir Wyn: "I may have got the dates wrong on this...."
I think he's being modest - he's on top of everything.
This good man is sharper than a Sharks fin!⚖️🙏
He’s astonishingly good.
Just finished watching the day’s enquiry. We’ve got the measure of her over these two days. She has been hoisted by her own petard. She has lost all credibility in full public view
Seconded. Watched it all.
Saturday morning in Aust, just finished watching. Amazing she can remember all the jobs she had at the PO, but knew nothing about any of them. Total cold fish. Also has trouble putting a ‘g” at the end of a word ending in said letter. Absolute garbage that she left the PO because she was disillusioned, I’d say she was being pushed out as per Susan Critchon, who was more principled than this piece of work🇦🇺
She was called a liar by a high court judge years ago
I sincerely hope she is totally disgraced, proved to have committed perjury, and perverted the course of justice and is sent to prison fir several years.
So poisonous. She needs 10 years behind bars to reflect.
Vennels will throw her under a bus.
They'll have to yank her out from under the multiple busses she just chucked herself under in this absolute disaster holy shit.
She will to try to save her own neck. Everyone below her will be blamed. They all knew that the system was flawed but getting them to openly admit it themselves, besides it already being proven it was, is going to be what is needed to get them put in jail. I hope they are all arrested tried and found guilty, then never let out of jail. All assets seized even if it means their respective other halves lose their homes, sold to pay towards the compensation.
@@richardkinghorn4729 No, I absolutely reject the argument that only with a confession can they be successfully prosecuted. With all the evidence gathered if the corporate board are not prosecuted then it will because they are protected
@@cristosl I know what you are saying but please re-read what I put. They are all trying to save their own necks and will lie and lie to do so and hope that someone else takes the blame instead of themselves. It is a fact they all knew, the evidence so far shows they all knew but they will never openly admit it. That would mean automatic arrest and prosecution. As it is the evidence is there for all to see that they all knew but a confession would make it so much easier but not one of them has the guts to admit they knew.
Angie and Paula heading for a fall out of note
Today she turned my stomach with how she handled the poor gentleman to commited suicide..
Yes! Her 'language' skills on that were deplorable. She could have referred to Mr Griffiths as having died but instead chose to say several times about the poor man walking in front of bus, on one occasion saying 'deliberately'! We all know he did but she didn't have to repeat it! Absolutely no compassion! And I think she thought she could copy those complete plebs Rodericks Ismay and Williams! What a female dog! 😡⚖️🙏
that was awful watching that , she was more interested in getting PR lawyers while he is dying in his hospital bed, she didn't understand why would you send anyone to the hospital. when they prosecute her they should throw the book at her.
This episode presents the smoking gun. She is a heartless liar, one of the people who cares nothing for the harm she causes--nothing. A bureaucratic sociopath.
What a horrible liar she is. I’ve been waiting for her evidence. Cold, nasty and completely devoid of compassion.
She’s lying. If she doesn’t got to prison, there is no justice.
I'm gobsmacked that someone can so blatantly and calmly lie under oath.
I'm feeling sick watching this. If you want to see a corporate psychopath in action- you can have no better example.
I am not a lawyer but based on what I have heard Angela van den Bogerd should be prosecuted
What a cold, hard-faced woman.
She is the worst person to have given evidence so far. What a horrible woman. Creepy.
She’s just being deliberately obtuse! Lock her up and throw the key away. Never allow her to run any company again. Ban her from holding any senior role or role of significant control. Because she just cannot be open and honest at all.
Unfortunately the British media (and perhaps the public itself) has degenerated into gossiping about Royals and celebs, stirring divisive rhetoric, and creating the monster of Brexit. I think Private Eye is the only media outlet that has consistently tried to flag this issue.
She is clearly an expert in silo strategy, and has succeeded in ensuring that the dots couldn't be joined. The comparison to Orwellian double-think is apt.
I totally agree. The British media control the narrative and the great British public facilitate it.
Thank God for Private Eye
She needs to go infront of a jury and tell theses lies!!!!!!!!
The widow of a sub-postmaster who took his own life had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with the Post Office in exchange for staggered compensation payments, an inquiry has heard.
The family of sub-postmaster Martin Griffiths also had to agree not to pursue legal action to try to clear his name and get more money.
The details emerged as part of a long-running inquiry into the prosecution of hundreds of sub-postmasters by the Post Office.
During a second day of questioning, former Post Office executive Angela van den Bogerd was shown emails where she and her colleagues discussed hiring a media lawyer after learning that Mr Griffiths was seriously ill in hospital.
It also emerged that the then chief executive, Paula Vennells, questioned whether Mr Griffiths had "previous mental health issues and potential family issues" to feed back to the board.
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So I think that's two that need to be prosecuted for extortion.
I'd bet a paycheck she could pass a polygraph. Pathological liars have no anxiety.
Her family must be so ashamed of her
I hope so.
I hear she is miss.that at least means she's not married so no husband or children to humiliate
they should all be in jail, and be forced to pay back the money they stole from the postmasters
I cried when Mr Henry told Mr Khalia's story and read his letter and I'm halfway across the world with no involvement in any of this. She was in a room with Mr Khalia, she could look him in the eye, and she was directly involved in lying to him and prolonging his suffering for at least a decade. Yet she just sat there, completely indifferent. There was is no change in her expression or tone of voice. She just remained stone cold and emotionless and continued lying and denying. I found that incredibly harrowing.
I was crying, too. And when they spoke about Martin Griffiths. It was awful.
@ruthbarrett770 Yes, that was utterly heartbreaking.
Yes I knew that people had passed away but I did not know about Mr Griffiths! That poor man and his family. I hope Van Den Bogerd get whats coming to her and the rest of those lying deceitful evil criminals! They cannot and will not escape. No matter who they are! 😡😞
Just watched the whole enquiry today. She is a liar and it shows. Selective amnesia and no thoughts for the lives she helped ruin. I want to see her jailed and he post office pension removed.
All bonuses she received needs repaying too
I could have worked high up in the Post Office....I've got a terrible memory and I never admit to anything! 🤯
If you don't remember working for the Post Office, you were ideal for the job !
Are you also an absolute prat and fairly nasty? If so you might even get a CBE!
That was a condition for employment at highest levels at the post office, to have a bad memory
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The Top level Post Office management don’t seem to remember anything
To Be totally honest I wanted to give her the benefit of doubt but after today I feel for the first time during this inquiry she should be in prison. Awful woman, thank you Charlie for everything you do.
if she has no knowledge of her own, how is she continually promoted ? when you are shown how to do something you remember it, not just forget it and have to be shown again and again ! she was on about £75,000 a year plus a big fat bonus ! let that sink in !
Everyone knew there was an issue so they stayed quiet, didn't ask questions, kept their eyes lowered and went along to curry favor, get promoted and cash those paycheck.
I thought that they were sworn in to tell the truth and she has proven to be lying no need for a trial straight to prison
Utterly shameful. She and everyone else involved need any renumeration packages to be reclaimed from them and them sent to prision for fraud. All monies taken from the PM's needs to be repaid, in full and compensation added, on top. Its disgusting
Buck passing, avoiding, lying.
If you watch carefully you see her nose grow.
Takes obfuscation to the next level.
The greatest injustice will be if these people do not get minimum 20-years.
For all of the executives who conspired in this despicable crime (and continue to do so, by way of lying in order to try and cover each others' backs) the solution is simple:
1. Seize their cash and property - equal to all that they were paid and received as bonuses - under the Proceeds Of Crime Act 2002
2. Jail
All funds raised by point 1. set-aside as compensation for the Sub Post Masters who were effected.
Even having been a long-time reader of Private Eye I am shocked and disgusted by the sheer scale of corruption and criminality exposed by the current inquiry.
Body language is exposing her as a liar, and you can feel the sweat and stress when trying to answer. Body language never lies. It's a shame she wasn't trained as well as what to say
Welsh FA are a disgrace for taking her on after the scandal broke out. Getting rid of her after was too little too late !
"Do you know the difference between right and wrong"? Clearly, Angela is incapable of answering this question.
She started off well in the morning session. Sympathetic and believable with seemingly candid answers and detailed ones. Jason Beer skillfully set trap after trap for her which she kept falling into. She seems to be a central player in the injustice.
You could actually see that the calm, unflappable Mr Beer, was clearly quite angry with her. I just love some of his expressions.
@@philthrelfall5294 Yes, Mr Beer glances up from his papers for a searching look. I like that kind of toothy expression of his that strikes me as a 'poker tell' of like "I'm not impressed".
@iskrajackal9049 The ones I like are the little glances to side, which just scream "BULLSH*T"!!
And yet no one will get prosecuted, because it would set a precedent the establishment cannot allow.
They all thought they wouldn't get caught.
They got caught but won't be punished.
The poor man sat next to the QC. You can see the turmoil etched on his face. How can she sleep at night?
PS I love Mr Henry QC. What an absolute legend.
She has the face that will fit in nicely with her other inmates.
I was astonished to learn that prior to Horizon she had been responsible for vetting potential SPMs to ensure that they were honest and could be trusted with the job. Did she not wonder why so many of the people she had appointed suddenly turned out to be untrustworthy criminals?
The KC is nearly going to say something he shouldnot
I noted the death stare from Ms Page although she was not asking the questions at the time.
out of all of them so far she is the most impressive/scary . she is ice cold , nothing seems to have any impact on her...this enquiry is fascinating stuff ! great stuff Charlie for all your work and pushing this issue on RUclips- great work
Psychopath?
she is ice cold on so many levels - her demeanour, language , the fact she didnt apologise or accept any fault on her behalf, even her name ! its scary....Some commenters have noted that she reminds them of a boss at work they didnt like: indeed you can see how she rose up the ranks. She is emotionless and cold, the sort of boss who would fire you with a blank expression on her face..
As Henry Davenport would have put it in Drop the Dead Donkey, "I need to work out why this lying bastard is lying to me".
Banality of evil
She was like a robot, thanks for your videos as always
Another one that needs a long prison sentence.
Her contrition at the inquiry should help with her sentencing.
What a sociopath. Totally devoid of empathy which is why she's still capable of trying to lie smoothly.
Mrs Sniffy - nasty habit she's got there...
So Many Lies.........Prison..
Hiya Charlie. Watched every second of her whole so-called testimony. Look how she always starts a new lie with the word "So". This is a grounding word, to tell her she is now on a new well rehearsed lie. Her main tactic was denial and evasion. Here is my summary of her testimony..."So, I had no knowledge of that, that was his/her role. I never said that. I cannot recall that. That was not my area of responsibility. I did nothing wrong. I knew nothing about bugs, just anomalies and errors. She was responsible for that. He was responsible for that. I knew THAT bit, but not THAT bit. I wanted to get under the skin of it, but did nothing to get under the skin of it. I thought she/he would have done that. Thus and much much more......
Spot on, the truth is she was absolutely useless.
Spot on - SO tiresome after a while. That, together with the hand ringing and sniffing was excruciating to watch.
The Ice Maiden thriving in other peoples’ misery and hiding her humanity extremely well.
What total lying! Send her to jail.
Assuming someone in her family has some scruples, what must they think about her?
Her last words..."i don't know anything about the program, I'm not an it expert"
But I didn’t mind getting well paid and receiving massive bonuses
😅 why bother lying? Her superiors are already throwing her way way way under the double decker bus..
Her and Paula heading for a fall out of note
Appalling woman.
Police and CPS get moving.
Prison beckons
"Understand" seemed to be one of her favorite words. The problem is that she seems incapable of understanding anything, with apparently no knowledge at all, and thus, in any alleged managerial rolls, she was as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I've never held a senior managerial, executive or C suit type position however from watching how they behave in many industries I think I get it. One must lack empathy, deny, deflect, have a selective memory and obfuscate it would appear. One must also have a bank account commodious enough to contain a hefty salary and frequent large bonuses.
I'm just wondering how many of the Witnesses have decided to employ security! If they don't have it yet, they will soon need to get some I think! 😶⚖️🙏
Another Post Office exec that has lost their memory
Unbelievable
I was thinking about you today Charlie whilst watching the inquiry. I could just picture you screaming at the screen shouting ‘LIAR’. She was absolutely infuriating and pissed me off that all the way through she was referring to Post Office as if it was a person e.g. “there was a message from Post Office that the system was robust”
jail time for amoral useless people, if not uk is DOOMED
"I was never involved with prosecutions" How dare she say that, its outrageous!
Van Bogie goes to the Doctors with a bad back , doctor says lie on the bed face down
Then he hears I can’t remember
I think that it is called selective amnesia
Despicable liar, evasive and avoiding knowledge of what was her domain and input. She orchestrated and had full understanding of the situation. Liar.
Wait for Vennells to sling her under the bus.
That quiet weak voice disappeared suddenly!
At the Nuremberg trials a number of senior Nazis tried the I was only following orders defence with no success. If you are prepared to take the huge money as a senior executive you also have to accept the huge responsibilities and consequences for your errors AND OMISSIONS
I watched it all on the official channel. At one stage, I think 30,000+ people were watching. Other MSM had far fewer numbers, but still in the several thousands. Yet, no matter how hard I try and word it RUclips only returns MSM coverage. Apart from DPS, Art of Law(?) where are the (many) others? People are obviously extremely interested yet nothing on YT.
Plainly lying through her teeth with not one ounce of remorse .
I do hope Police get involved in this and any punishment fits this crime
Meanwhile, Angela lives in luxury.
The face of evil
These people who get these top jobs which are highly paid seem to have a specific personality type. My partner worked with a person exactly like this woman, she was defensive, unpleasant and a trouble maker. She was also lazy and never dealt with any problems that arose and was an expert at deflecting. Any problems that my partner had were met with the "You can only do what you can do" or "Just see how you go". Not surprisingly she had this job for 18 years and retired last year.
Hi Charlie. I've just seen a clip on the BBC web page that has caused me yet more upset. I don't know how you and others feel about wildlife or even just the beautiful countryside that seems to be disappearing very quickly in the UK, but check out what a certain brewery have done to an apple orchard near Offa's Dyke in Monmouthshire! I despise the people who did this! I despise yet another foul corporation destroying the earth and in particular the UK for nothing more than their own financial greed! Obviously the destruction was done underhand otherwise there would have been protests aplenty, even if it was on so-called private land! I'm not sure whether you or any other RUclipsr can highlight this, but I just had to say something on line! Thanks for listening! 🌳❤️😞⚖️🙏
Even hardened conspiracy theorists would be highly doubtful with her evidence.
Question is she under oath. If she os its perjury so jail. If she isnt why the fuck not
Her "performance" here beggars belief. My question is, "is she a pathological liar"? She does not seem to accept any responsibility for what she did and did not do.
I love your interjection BTW I know you say some people complain but I think you do a great job of reminding us where we are & also just your opinion on what's happening. I say more not less! They're what help make your coverage the best, along with the hard work you put in to reduce the length of the videos. Keep it up.. Although you do eat some absolute garbage on a Friday 😂
Put her in Prison now
She knew
What a poor job of making a lie up.
Shooting her self in the foot.
Minimizing her involvement by creating a lie on the hoof.
Knowing full and well that she was at the heart of desicions.
Shifting the blame to IT experts. IT experts who fully informed her.
She should see a doctor about her loss of memory and anyone like her appears to have the same problem . I hope that someone is looking into the behaviour of the courts who were just rubber stamping these bogus prosecutions !
I hope she spends a long time in jail
She has no shame.
Admits no responsibility.
I suspect she may be a psychopath.
Whatever the case, she clearly knew what she was doing to these hundreds of people.
She should be in prison for the rest of her natural life for what she did to hundreds of innocent people, and they must be exonerated and compensated, immediately and generously, and then the no doubt enormous funds she has coined, should be reclaimed to help pay for it.
She should be brought her meals, and water without having any human contact, and should not ever see daylight, or any other human being again.
Anything less would give carte blanche for anyone else in a position of such power to ruin peoples lives in the same way.
Its essential to set an example for the way this evil creature has behaved.
I get psychopath vibes as well from her. She's emotionless apart from barely concealed rage when confronted.
She's Toast no.
However she fooled everybody she could do her Job.
He is good!
Is me or are the people in high paid jobs all worked as post office conter employees and had no experience in this high paid job and I am not surprised her chair is not on fire keep up the good work charlie