"If your watching this in the future feel free to leave a comment laughing at me for getting it wrong or complementing my genius foresight if I got it right" - Cybershell 2017
Mario’s new VA, Kevin Afghani, voiced Raditz in a Dragon Ball fanseries called Dragon Ball R&R. It used to be on RUclips, but every video about it on the creator’s channel (MasakoX) was wiped around the time the new VA was announced with no acknowledgment from anyone who worked on it. I feel there may be another conspiracy
@@thursalamader You goober, his name was listed in the credits. His name's still there on the credits page for the very first result on Google from searching Dragon Ball R&R, man
even if this ages badly, its cool that this episode exists as some sort of archive of this whole conspiracy instead of it being forgotten about in the following months edit: this aged well actually lol
On a more serious note: Martinet not fielding questions about the Mario movie might not be the result of an NDA, it could just be that he is legitimately disappointed about being passed over for the role but also knows, as a veteran of the voice acting industry, that making off the cuff negative statements about the film is potentially going to burn a bridge with Nintendo and could affect his career with them. If that's the case it seems pretty reasonable to avoid talking about the movie at cons or on Twitter, since that'd be putting himself in a situation where he might accidentally say something that could upset the executives at Nintendo and threaten his working relationship with them.
@@sahaprocks7751 I sat in on a panel for Charles, Kenny James (Bowser), and Samantha Kelly (Peach) in Boston, the panel host prefaced the event with "No questions about the Mario movie (because of the SAG-AFTRA strike, specifically) and no questions about upcoming projects". The latter restriction is likely because of NDAs, but it did suck because I did plan on asking a basic "are you in Super Mario Wonder" question just to put the whole debate to rest. That said, nothing about the way any of them talked made it sound like Charles was the FORMER voice of Mario or anything like that.
The Red Carpet thing could have been because of the movie delay, where he was expecting to attend until the date changed. Charles also loves to go to cons and loves interacting with fans, so he would hate to cancel on a con.
Also, for celebrities that are heavily involved in the con circuit they'll often be appearing at multiple conventions in a row so attending the premiere might not have just conflicted with that one con, it could have also conflicted with his travel itinerary for other cons. Keep in mind the red carpet premiere was on the other side of the country from Orlando where the con was hosted, and if he was scheduled to appear at additional cons on the east coast or Midwest over the coming weeks then flying out to California for the movie premiere could have been a pretty major expense in both time and money. And again, this is just for the premiere of a movie he has a minor cameo in.
Idk how it is with other cons, but i know for some of the bigger regional cons they lock guests and vendors into a contractual agreement stating they have to show up. If they cancel, they have to do so before a certain period of time. I bring this up because one of bigger local conventions in my area had a controversy that resulted in a lot of people not going or canceling their appearances. The con chair did a sneaky move and changed the refund and cancelations window to counteract this, so a bunch of vendors, guest, and panels had to go despite not wanting to out of solidarity for the con staff. I know voiding contracts like this can lead to legal burdens, so i think that's why he may have prioritized the convention.
if nothing else, im happy this whole situation has people actively thinking about charles martinet and appreciating him for everything he's done for mario. the mario games wouldnt be the same without him, and hes done so much for mario.
To be fair, Martinet is getting up there in age. It's very much possible there could be a health thing going on behind the scenes, or that Nintendo has a plan on what to do when he passes away. (Unless he becomes immortal) Not saying that he's been replaced, but facing the fact that he's getting pretty old, there's no way that Nintendo hasn't planned ahead in the case that something happens to him.
It's entirely possible that he has an understudy for yelling lines (like the whole Wonderful! line everyone points at) who is training to take over once Charles can no longer do the role, but hasn't been outright replaced. As for the Wario line, it's very easy to imagine that the line was recorded specifically for the direct and they just couldn't get Charles in for it like they could the Japanese VA. He's a busy dude.
This aged super well wow. What’s interesting is that things didn’t sour between Martinet and Nintendo, considering how he’s now “Mario Ambassador”, whatever that means.
I suspect most of the speculation in here of there being some internal falling out between Charles and Nintendo for one reason or another was on the mark, would explain the tweets from his friend and the reluctance to talk about Mario at cons while they were working things out in the background. This “Mario Ambassador” thing must’ve come out after they made amends.
@@feddddddd This is what I think too, maybe lawyers got involved to negotiate things. Regardless, I’m really happy they’re on good terms now because Charles Martinet deserves the world after everything he has done 😭
Quote from Martinet: “I am now a Mario Ambassador. I don’t know what that is yet. I’m not retired as it were, but I’m an ambassador. As we step forward into the future, we’ll all learn exactly what that is.” Even he doesn't know. It's a consolation band-aid over what seems to be a sore spot.
@@kauanjos3199 That seems way more likely honestly. Why hire someone new when they could pay him a million bucks for his vocal likeness, then use his existing voice samples to generate new ones? They'd be set for eternity.
I actually met Charles shortly after the direct, at TooManyGames. He signed my Wario plush and did the Wario voice while signing it - I don’t have the best ear but the voice sounded pretty normal to me. There was also a poster of Elephant Mario to sign there. Take of this as you will, I have no clue either way ngl
Can't wait to see your full transition to Nintendo RUclipsr, Cybershell. Just remember that you're going to have to call Sonic Adventure 2 "Sonic 2 Adventure Battles" and insist that it's the best game in the series.
The evidence is just so numerous, but so circumstantial that this is the absolute coin-flip of "This could go either way". -He's not Mario in the movie, but he's IN the movie. -He didn't show up to the red carpet event, but VAs make a lot more money off of convention appearances and he has a lot more roles than just Mario. -He was upset the day of the announced re-cast, but there's no way he'd be told about Mario's re-cast the DAY they announce it, especially in a movie he's in. -He asked not to field questions about the Mario movie, but remember he also can't talk about the games either and the Mario movie has a confirmed sequel in production.
@@sahaprocks7751 It's my opinion this without a shadow of a doubt confirms it, since so many people noticed it when Wonder was revealed. For me it was the most clear on "WONDERFULLL"
@@cyruto i have other proof. Some guy emailed Nintendo about it and they said he’s not in Wonder. At least he’s still involved in some way as a Mario ambassador. Whatever that means
Who would've thought that he is actually getting replaced and Super Mario Bros Wonder's Mario isn't him and so many people caught on to that not being him but most people couldn't tell.
I think there is something major about this point that not enough people are discussing. When you get old, your voice doesn't change arbitrarily. There are certain differences that crop up across basically every aging person: Their voice gets deeper, it gets raspier, it gets weathered. And we've been observing that happen gradually with Martinet! LM3 is the best example of this since it is almost entirely new voice clips. His voice in that game still sounds the same, but a bit more weathered. The screams aren't as high pitched. His voice breaks a lot more. The thing is: none of these tells for an aging voice are what people have pointed out in the most recent voice clips. Mario doesn't sound tired or raspy in the slightest. I'd say it might be the most youthful he's sounded since Super Mario Sunshine. So I reeaaally don't think "He's just older" is the most sensible explanation of whatever is going on here.
@@PaintraSeaPea Yeah, but they also have a database of around 5 million voice samples according to Martinet himself. Some of them could just be really old clips that never got used until recently, explaining why they would sound younger. That said, it's still possible he's not the sole voice of Mario in SMB Wonder, or possibly that he's not the voice at all, but it would be a bit odd considering how much material he's already provided.
29:41 It should be said that Charles Martinet at previous conventions has been the same way about no questions about future games, including situations where a trailer with his voice had already released.
The Wario voice definitely jumped out at me but, I was convinced that it was still him in Wonder until the statement came out. Whoever they've got now does a really good job as Mario at least
A month and some days later it's actually quite intriguing to revisit this now that the voice actor change is confirmed by Nintendo, wonder if it's on some contentious terms as speculated or if it's something more on good one with the role of "Mario Ambassador".
Based on the panel clip, the movie I do buy that he might not have any desire to discuss, but on the topic of the games, maybe he was just trying to avoid people prying about “what are the new power ups?” And “are Wario and Waluigi in the game?” You know, the stuff that his only answers would have to be variations of “i can’t discuss that, wait for the next trailer” Very weird deal, really hope it has nothing to do with some falling out, cause that’d just be a bummer
To anyone watching after the news broke out, just keep this in mind: No one is ever really gone, they just get back to playing Animal Crossing: New Leaf on their 3DS
In all modern celebrity casted animated movies, they use the original/professional voice actors to act out the entire movie for the animators to animate to. I can understand Charles Martinet being a little bummed voicing both Mario and Luigi in an entire movie only to be overdubbed by celebrities later.
15:22 I think I once heard that Disney tried to say that Whitmire (who Jim Henson specifically chose to be the next voice of Kermit) was disrespectful to Henson's family, but that he wasn't actually.
In the newest Warioware game, the voiced cutscenes (at least the opening one) all of the other characters spoke their lines but Wario just has his stock "Yes!" sfx instead of dialog matching the subtitles. Further evidence suggesting Charles' replacement, for Wario at least.
4:06 this is what irks me the most about Charles Martinet not being cast in the movie as Mario, he's a real actor and has taken more serious roles in other games, me and a lot of people would have absolutely loved to see what his take would've been for a more "subdued" Mario that fits a movie role better than a game role, but no, we were denied of that and we will *never* be able to witness what that performance would have been like. To quote Mr Plinkett: "it can never be undone"
I'm almost certain it's because Crisp Rat is an easier sell to general audience who have heard of Mario but aren't familiar with it beyond "funny Italian plumber man". Charles is famous among gamers and animation fans, but not the kind of people who follow trends.
Man, the boys are really putting in the work on this podcast lately. Got me inspired to put in the work to comment. Not about much though, just to say I'm enjoying the weekly eps.
This is SO surreal because i used to know Toony when we were like 15 and 16, and i hadn't heard from him for years until now, and suddenly he's appearing in the video.
32:14 fun fact: though the Sonic VA remains the same in the games, he was replaced in the Japanese dub of the movie in a similar fashion to how Charles was replaced
Sonic was replaced in the American version too. He's voiced by Ben Schwartz instead of Roger Craig Smith. So replacing him in the Japanese dub isn't really a stretch.
@@OtakuUnitedStudioSonic’s Japanese voice actor has been voicing him since sonic adventure so it’s more comparable to Martinet as opposed to RCS who has been voicing the character much shorter in comparison and isn’t “thee voice”. I think that’s what OP was getting at.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I say not THEE voice because not only has sonic had so many voice actors but voices as is. Someone like Mario or maybe even Eggman have a more consistent/patented voice so it’s more objective than subjective which it is with Sonic.
i just really hope that he's still with nintendo because i would absolutely not put it past them to just drop him like a rock without any proper congratulations, and that would just be heartbreaking
@@iskende *Ahem*... Gunpei Yokoi. He literally created the D-pad and the Game Boy, and Nintendo forced him to quit after they rushed the Virtual Boy to market and it predictably bombed.... The company hasn't always been like this (Satoru Iwata seemed like an awesome guy), but... Yeah. I can never quite bring myself to trust them as a company.
@@Ungantor Gunpei Yokoi actually kept his job longer than he intended to because he didn't want it to look like he got fired for the Virtual Boy flopping. He had already turned in his notice and was planning to take a position at Bandai. Nintendo didn't force him to quit and they didn't put him in an "unfavorable" role in the company. They literally paid him to do whatever he wanted until he felt like the heat died down. He said so himself in an interview.
Putting aside what we now know about the situation, back then I never noticed it with Mario Wonder. He still sounded like Mario to me, and I didn't buy the notion it was a different voice actor simply because he said "wowwyzowwy!" instead of "Wahoo!", because when has that ever been the only thing Mario said? But Wario? Definitely noticed that. The voice clip of him saying "Excellent!" in the trailer for Move It sounded way off. Where Mario's new voice sounds like a worthy successor to Charles, Wario's has me worried.
There have been multiple times when Vinny Vinesauce has joked on stream saying, essentially: "Nintendo has probably trapped Charles on a recording booth for like two days, just recording different 'ya's and 'wa's and 'hoohoo's, he'll still be voicing Mario years after he passes away." It was a joke.
Yeah, but it's also possible that since they have HD recordings of him from several different productions, they could legitimately just make a soundboard out of his voice. Or train an AI to sound like him (with his permission, of course. And due compensation).
It's possible that the english lines for Wario Ware hadn't been recorded yet or were unavailable to the video editor for some reason, so they had someone do a quick Wario impression just for the Direct. It sounds too off to even be a replacement actor.
It's sad that he's not going to Mario but we should be that he ever did. Imagine the alternative universe where Mario sounds like an stereotypical italian gangster or something
Sorry but it just sounds like Mario in the latest Luigi's Mansion. It also had a more loose direction and it's just the same thing. Wario does sound very different tho. It's not Martinet at all. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a placeholder voiceline for the direct, with the game now having a dedicated Japanese voice cast that is done first.
Apparently, from 2013-2018, Charles Martinet was homeless after getting evicted from his old home and being dissatisfied with other homes in his pay range. It's possible that he might have tried to ask Nintendo for a raise, been denied, and now Nintendo is replacing him with someone who will probably work for less pay. Obviously this would be a horrid scenario, so I really hope it's not true, but it would feel very in-character for Nintendo to do something like that.
Even in a post-reveal world this was pretty fun to listen to. I didnt know about a lot of the con/interview stuff presented here. I didnt even know he had a dragonball character
As a big Mario fan with a Mario voice impersonation and has been playing Mario games pretty much all my life, I was confused too when I heard the voice in the Wonder trailer. But after hearing it multiple times, I really think it's just all new lines. That "wowie-zowie" probably sounds weird because of the nature of the pronunciation. Not sure what's the deal with Wario though.
Jack Black knows his stuff but honestly in that little clip with Paul Gale it sounded like he had no clue who Charles Martinet was. It was like he was shouting out some random fan. Also lol at Paul Gale showing up. I remember back when he was 'leaking' playstation all-stars battle royale stuff. Boy it was a trip to hear from him briefly in this video.
Something to be mentioned is that in WarioWare: Get it Together! (2021) it was kinda suspicious how Wario was the only character who wasn't fully-voice acted but his dialogue only used brief re-used clips whereas in WarioWare Gold he did voice the whole thing I'm willing to believe this is due Martinet's age above anything else, and if that's the case then the possibility for a recast is on the table (some people said they would want him to voice Mario for the rest of his life, *which is a completely deranged thing to ask for; **_fucking Mel Blanc had to voice the Jetsons movie from his deathbed at age 81)_*
George O’Hanlon who voiced George Jetson had his second stroke in the recording studio while working on that movie and died in the hospital that day. He was at the point where he could no longer see and had very little mobility and had his lines read to him which he parroted one at a time. Similarly to Marlon Brando’s voice recordings for the GodFather Video Game in 2006 where he was on oxygen, which can be heard in the background of the recordings. The lines were, somewhat fittingly, only used in the hospital scenes. It was his final acting performance.
@@Steven_Andreyechen Similar to Orson Welles voicing Unicron in The Transformers: The Movie. His lines sounded so weak and labored that it required heavy post processing to make them usable, to the point they barely sound like Welles at all. He was so tired and sick that he insisted on only having the director, the sound engineer, and his own assistant present, he had trouble following the direction he was given (rather than his usual temperament where he'd IGNORE his direction), and he only even got a chance to view the script the first day of recording because of his health. His final line in the movie sounds so different due to his worsening condition that some people genuinely thought it was a different actor. He died less than a week after his final recording session.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I have a tremendous amount of respect for the actors themselves still trying to contribute something artistic and doing what they love to the very end, as well as companies who still employ these older actors in what is Avery cutthroat and unforgiving industry. I think however that there will be a lot of cases like these in the near future, as this next generation of actor continue to age. Actors of the 70s 80s and 90s are next. Companies like Big Finish for example, who produce Doctor Who audio dramas among other things, have a lot of actors who have reprised roles they played almost 60 years ago in some cases, and you can really tell with some of them. Many have since died or retired due to poor health and tragically it’s only a matter of time for the rest. As much as I love him is Tom Baker going to still be doing this after he turns 90 next January? How much longer will Frank Welker continue to voice Scooby and Fred, he’s almost 80. Will Peter Cullen keep doing transformers stuff well into his 80s. At a certain point we just have to let go, either of the characters themselves or the people behind them.
idk man, Charles did all the dialogue in ALL of the Get it Together trailers, fully as Wario. Idk why he didn't have the full lines for the cutscenes, but if he can do trailers like that, he can do actual games too.
His voice in Wonder's trailer didn't sound that off to me really, and the "Wowie zowie" sounded slightly different only after people started pointing it out. That said while it'd be sad to see Martinet go, he *has* to at some point, so even if he's still Mario's voice I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't for long now
was really hoping this episode would age poorly
I was gonna say, I came back to this as soon as I heard the news.
yeah it's rough how prophetic this ended up being. cya charles, hope you got a golden parachute
Didn't doubted it for a second tbh
@@stllr_dudes 67, I can see how he’d find it rough to keep doing the “Mario Voice” after so long and choose to step down
@@Smell-O-Vision-Citrus did charles die
"If your watching this in the future feel free to leave a comment laughing at me for getting it wrong or complementing my genius foresight if I got it right" - Cybershell 2017
Mario’s new VA, Kevin Afghani, voiced Raditz in a Dragon Ball fanseries called Dragon Ball R&R. It used to be on RUclips, but every video about it on the creator’s channel (MasakoX) was wiped around the time the new VA was announced with no acknowledgment from anyone who worked on it. I feel there may be another conspiracy
these old youtube fan parodies may not be the best look for the new voice of mario. id say understandable not conspiracy
a lot of huge new VAs come from these yt parodies and they are most of the time not credited and u would have no way to know its like v obscure trivia
@@thursalamader You goober, his name was listed in the credits.
His name's still there on the credits page for the very first result on Google from searching Dragon Ball R&R, man
"That's not Wario, it's the Direct announcer doing an impression" aged especially funny. It turned out to be both.
even if this ages badly, its cool that this episode exists as some sort of archive of this whole conspiracy instead of it being forgotten about in the following months
edit: this aged well actually lol
Like finding random geocities pages on some obscure "Paul is dead" style crackpot theories.
Shadok!!!
It indeed is the funny deltarune animator
And the other silly web based show
They're archiving a small bit of netlore while recounting older stuff 😄
On a more serious note: Martinet not fielding questions about the Mario movie might not be the result of an NDA, it could just be that he is legitimately disappointed about being passed over for the role but also knows, as a veteran of the voice acting industry, that making off the cuff negative statements about the film is potentially going to burn a bridge with Nintendo and could affect his career with them. If that's the case it seems pretty reasonable to avoid talking about the movie at cons or on Twitter, since that'd be putting himself in a situation where he might accidentally say something that could upset the executives at Nintendo and threaten his working relationship with them.
Yeah some NDAs and non competes are ridiculous with their terms.
I’ve also heard he can’t talk about new Mario games before more info is announced?
@@sahaprocks7751 I sat in on a panel for Charles, Kenny James (Bowser), and Samantha Kelly (Peach) in Boston, the panel host prefaced the event with "No questions about the Mario movie (because of the SAG-AFTRA strike, specifically) and no questions about upcoming projects". The latter restriction is likely because of NDAs, but it did suck because I did plan on asking a basic "are you in Super Mario Wonder" question just to put the whole debate to rest. That said, nothing about the way any of them talked made it sound like Charles was the FORMER voice of Mario or anything like that.
@@twangy_juice8126 Yeah I still think he’s in Mario Wonder, but has a different voice direction and maybe was pitched up.
The Red Carpet thing could have been because of the movie delay, where he was expecting to attend until the date changed. Charles also loves to go to cons and loves interacting with fans, so he would hate to cancel on a con.
I guess you can say charles is a real conman
Also, for celebrities that are heavily involved in the con circuit they'll often be appearing at multiple conventions in a row so attending the premiere might not have just conflicted with that one con, it could have also conflicted with his travel itinerary for other cons. Keep in mind the red carpet premiere was on the other side of the country from Orlando where the con was hosted, and if he was scheduled to appear at additional cons on the east coast or Midwest over the coming weeks then flying out to California for the movie premiere could have been a pretty major expense in both time and money.
And again, this is just for the premiere of a movie he has a minor cameo in.
@@cousinted
Damn good point
Idk how it is with other cons, but i know for some of the bigger regional cons they lock guests and vendors into a contractual agreement stating they have to show up. If they cancel, they have to do so before a certain period of time. I bring this up because one of bigger local conventions in my area had a controversy that resulted in a lot of people not going or canceling their appearances. The con chair did a sneaky move and changed the refund and cancelations window to counteract this, so a bunch of vendors, guest, and panels had to go despite not wanting to out of solidarity for the con staff. I know voiding contracts like this can lead to legal burdens, so i think that's why he may have prioritized the convention.
if nothing else, im happy this whole situation has people actively thinking about charles martinet and appreciating him for everything he's done for mario. the mario games wouldnt be the same without him, and hes done so much for mario.
top tier comment
To be fair, Martinet is getting up there in age. It's very much possible there could be a health thing going on behind the scenes, or that Nintendo has a plan on what to do when he passes away. (Unless he becomes immortal) Not saying that he's been replaced, but facing the fact that he's getting pretty old, there's no way that Nintendo hasn't planned ahead in the case that something happens to him.
It's entirely possible that he has an understudy for yelling lines (like the whole Wonderful! line everyone points at) who is training to take over once Charles can no longer do the role, but hasn't been outright replaced. As for the Wario line, it's very easy to imagine that the line was recorded specifically for the direct and they just couldn't get Charles in for it like they could the Japanese VA. He's a busy dude.
THIS VIDEO AGED SO WELL OMG
The Schizo post wasnt so Schizo after all.
I’m loving the visual of a massive database at Nintendo that’s just full of millions of Mario wahoos lol
Imagine they tickle charles martinets naked body to get all the mario lines
I used to work as a server tech and I'm imagining logging into that server filled with of 30TB of 'wahoo_836273.wav' like what the fuck is this?
This aged super well wow. What’s interesting is that things didn’t sour between Martinet and Nintendo, considering how he’s now “Mario Ambassador”, whatever that means.
I suspect most of the speculation in here of there being some internal falling out between Charles and Nintendo for one reason or another was on the mark, would explain the tweets from his friend and the reluctance to talk about Mario at cons while they were working things out in the background. This “Mario Ambassador” thing must’ve come out after they made amends.
just promoting the nintendo brand, or mario games, thats it, the next big mario game would use him in the marketing but not in the game
Does this mean I can press on about marios secret greek heritage to martinet? 🤣
@@feddddddd This is what I think too, maybe lawyers got involved to negotiate things. Regardless, I’m really happy they’re on good terms now because Charles Martinet deserves the world after everything he has done 😭
Quote from Martinet: “I am now a Mario Ambassador. I don’t know what that is yet. I’m not retired as it were, but I’m an ambassador. As we step forward into the future, we’ll all learn exactly what that is.”
Even he doesn't know. It's a consolation band-aid over what seems to be a sore spot.
The fact that this aged as well as it did saddens me
They were fucking right
imagine if they actually replaced him with Mario
If anyone could do a good mario voice, it would be mario
You joke about it but imagine if they just use AI as a replacement lol
@@kauanjos3199 That seems way more likely honestly. Why hire someone new when they could pay him a million bucks for his vocal likeness, then use his existing voice samples to generate new ones? They'd be set for eternity.
Tbh with all the samples they already have, I'm surprised they would ever need new ones. It's not like Mario ever talks all that much.
I feel like Chris Pratt would be the next Mario after Charles Passes the torch but well, it's Chris Pratt
This aged like a good wine.
38:52 This guys predicted the future and are not idiots
Wow im suprised that these 2 have a channel with an actually consistent upload schedule.
when both can't do that on their own channels lol
Don't jinx it bud...
It’s like when people get married and combine their wealth. But instead of buying a house they make more podcast episodes.
It’s unreal
well it's easier to just record yourself talking about something than it is to gather information and edit a video
YOOOOOOOOOO THE FIRST TRUE CONSPIRACY ON NETLORE
Breaking news: The conspiracy was correct! Congrats! Charles Martinet is now stepping back to be a “Mario Ambassador” whatever that entails.
This aged incredibly well
35:41 "I can't just sell a plushie of my guy, he's fucking sonic!" That reasoning never stopped Ken Penders 😂
I actually met Charles shortly after the direct, at TooManyGames. He signed my Wario plush and did the Wario voice while signing it - I don’t have the best ear but the voice sounded pretty normal to me. There was also a poster of Elephant Mario to sign there. Take of this as you will, I have no clue either way ngl
Can't wait to see your full transition to Nintendo RUclipsr, Cybershell. Just remember that you're going to have to call Sonic Adventure 2 "Sonic 2 Adventure Battles" and insist that it's the best game in the series.
Heckin' valid transition
Who calls Sonic Adventure 2 “Sonic 2 Adventure Battles”?
@@Something_Maybe Nintendo fans of course
i was gonna say
@@Something_Maybeyou would be surprised
Your power levels are growing
The evidence is just so numerous, but so circumstantial that this is the absolute coin-flip of "This could go either way".
-He's not Mario in the movie, but he's IN the movie.
-He didn't show up to the red carpet event, but VAs make a lot more money off of convention appearances and he has a lot more roles than just Mario.
-He was upset the day of the announced re-cast, but there's no way he'd be told about Mario's re-cast the DAY they announce it, especially in a movie he's in.
-He asked not to field questions about the Mario movie, but remember he also can't talk about the games either and the Mario movie has a confirmed sequel in production.
This
Confirmed 8/21/23, it wasn't Charles.
It’s not confirmed in WONDER that it’s Charles or the replacement. I’m still leaning to the replacement
@@sahaprocks7751 It's my opinion this without a shadow of a doubt confirms it, since so many people noticed it when Wonder was revealed. For me it was the most clear on "WONDERFULLL"
@@sahaprocks7751 gamespot confirmed actually that charles is not voicing mario or luigi in wonder
@@cyruto i have other proof. Some guy emailed Nintendo about it and they said he’s not in Wonder. At least he’s still involved in some way as a Mario ambassador. Whatever that means
Who would've thought that he is actually getting replaced and Super Mario Bros Wonder's Mario isn't him and so many people caught on to that not being him but most people couldn't tell.
I think it's just Charles aging. Even by Mario Kart 8 he sounded different due to his age, that intro in particular is really raspy sounding
Luigi's Mansion 3 occasionally sounds almost unrecognizable as Charles, but he's credited as basically the only major male voice actor.
I think there is something major about this point that not enough people are discussing.
When you get old, your voice doesn't change arbitrarily. There are certain differences that crop up across basically every aging person: Their voice gets deeper, it gets raspier, it gets weathered. And we've been observing that happen gradually with Martinet! LM3 is the best example of this since it is almost entirely new voice clips. His voice in that game still sounds the same, but a bit more weathered. The screams aren't as high pitched. His voice breaks a lot more.
The thing is: none of these tells for an aging voice are what people have pointed out in the most recent voice clips. Mario doesn't sound tired or raspy in the slightest. I'd say it might be the most youthful he's sounded since Super Mario Sunshine. So I reeaaally don't think "He's just older" is the most sensible explanation of whatever is going on here.
@@PaintraSeaPeaguys it’s that one dude I know 😱
@@PaintraSeaPea Yeah, but they also have a database of around 5 million voice samples according to Martinet himself. Some of them could just be really old clips that never got used until recently, explaining why they would sound younger. That said, it's still possible he's not the sole voice of Mario in SMB Wonder, or possibly that he's not the voice at all, but it would be a bit odd considering how much material he's already provided.
29:41 It should be said that Charles Martinet at previous conventions has been the same way about no questions about future games, including situations where a trailer with his voice had already released.
The Wario voice is what won me over on this conspiracy. Looks like you guys were on to something for sure.
The Wario voice definitely jumped out at me but, I was convinced that it was still him in Wonder until the statement came out. Whoever they've got now does a really good job as Mario at least
It's Mariover 😔
o7
Wow, this aged better than you guys thought.
A month and some days later it's actually quite intriguing to revisit this now that the voice actor change is confirmed by Nintendo, wonder if it's on some contentious terms as speculated or if it's something more on good one with the role of "Mario Ambassador".
Maybe a podcast episode about the "Dead Internet Theory" would be nice now that this episode opens the gates for internet theories..
Based on the panel clip, the movie I do buy that he might not have any desire to discuss, but on the topic of the games, maybe he was just trying to avoid people prying about “what are the new power ups?” And “are Wario and Waluigi in the game?” You know, the stuff that his only answers would have to be variations of “i can’t discuss that, wait for the next trailer”
Very weird deal, really hope it has nothing to do with some falling out, cause that’d just be a bummer
Can’t wait for the bonus episode
NOOOOO DUDE
Ewww
07:38
This video has aged pretty well, what with today's announcement about Martinet stepping down.
Dayum, they just announced Charles is moving from voicing Mario to being a "Mario Ambassador".
THE RUMORS WERE TRUEEEEE. PART 2 FOLLOW UP WHEEEEEEN
time for another netlore bonus episode
They can't keep getting away with this
To anyone watching after the news broke out, just keep this in mind: No one is ever really gone, they just get back to playing Animal Crossing: New Leaf on their 3DS
This is what keeps me going.
In all modern celebrity casted animated movies, they use the original/professional voice actors to act out the entire movie for the animators to animate to. I can understand Charles Martinet being a little bummed voicing both Mario and Luigi in an entire movie only to be overdubbed by celebrities later.
15:22 I think I once heard that Disney tried to say that Whitmire (who Jim Henson specifically chose to be the next voice of Kermit) was disrespectful to Henson's family, but that he wasn't actually.
In the newest Warioware game, the voiced cutscenes (at least the opening one) all of the other characters spoke their lines but Wario just has his stock "Yes!" sfx instead of dialog matching the subtitles. Further evidence suggesting Charles' replacement, for Wario at least.
i hope they get the old va from mario party back
was there much voice acting in general in the last one?
@@etasjo
I hope they get danny devito, the era of jewish wario begins now
@@etasjoThe actor that did his voice in the Smash games is perfect
@@moritzzz1 The actor who played Wario in Smash Bros. is Charles...
And it aged like fine wine.
Fuck.
Confirmed to have aged well, WOW.
Nintendo just tweeted a communicated, Charles is "stepping back" from voicing Mario characters... the conspiracy was right.
4:06 this is what irks me the most about Charles Martinet not being cast in the movie as Mario, he's a real actor and has taken more serious roles in other games, me and a lot of people would have absolutely loved to see what his take would've been for a more "subdued" Mario that fits a movie role better than a game role, but no, we were denied of that and we will *never* be able to witness what that performance would have been like. To quote Mr Plinkett: "it can never be undone"
its the illumination stank morso, they want big celebs to be main chars for promotional reasons (See peaches )
I'm almost certain it's because Crisp Rat is an easier sell to general audience who have heard of Mario but aren't familiar with it beyond "funny Italian plumber man". Charles is famous among gamers and animation fans, but not the kind of people who follow trends.
Well, the conspiracy was right. And God, do I wish it wasn’t.
CONFIRMED
watching this 2 days after he announced his retirement
I want that damn cybershell plush
Man, the boys are really putting in the work on this podcast lately. Got me inspired to put in the work to comment. Not about much though, just to say I'm enjoying the weekly eps.
aged like fine wine
MARIO IS OFFICIALLY OVER
They just confirmed that Charles Martinet is stepping down as the voice of Mario from now on. RIP
This is SO surreal because i used to know Toony when we were like 15 and 16, and i hadn't heard from him for years until now, and suddenly he's appearing in the video.
Love the show! Keep ‘em coming!
Would love to see an episode on John Titor, TempleOS, or the Bogdanoff brothers
Nothing conspiratorial anymore, you guys were ahead of the curve!
Coming back to this video to mention the Nintendo announcement. Charles is actually stepping down. Video game history everyone.
NDA Confirmed, basically, right? He is now KING of Mario
I cannot believe you guys actually correctly predicted this holy shit
This aged so well...
32:14 fun fact: though the Sonic VA remains the same in the games, he was replaced in the Japanese dub of the movie in a similar fashion to how Charles was replaced
Sonic was replaced in the American version too. He's voiced by Ben Schwartz instead of Roger Craig Smith. So replacing him in the Japanese dub isn't really a stretch.
@@OtakuUnitedStudioSonic’s Japanese voice actor has been voicing him since sonic adventure so it’s more comparable to Martinet as opposed to RCS who has been voicing the character much shorter in comparison and isn’t “thee voice”. I think that’s what OP was getting at.
@@realer2748 I actually do think of Roger as THE voice of Sonic the same way I do Mike Pollock as Rob'Eggman. But I see what you mean.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I say not THEE voice because not only has sonic had so many voice actors but voices as is. Someone like Mario or maybe even Eggman have a more consistent/patented voice so it’s more objective than subjective which it is with Sonic.
@@realer2748 yes, you are correct
i just really hope that he's still with nintendo because i would absolutely not put it past them to just drop him like a rock without any proper congratulations, and that would just be heartbreaking
Nintendo treats employees pretty well most of the time. Itd be shocking.
@@iskende *Ahem*... Gunpei Yokoi. He literally created the D-pad and the Game Boy, and Nintendo forced him to quit after they rushed the Virtual Boy to market and it predictably bombed.... The company hasn't always been like this (Satoru Iwata seemed like an awesome guy), but... Yeah. I can never quite bring myself to trust them as a company.
@@Ungantor Gunpei Yokoi actually kept his job longer than he intended to because he didn't want it to look like he got fired for the Virtual Boy flopping. He had already turned in his notice and was planning to take a position at Bandai. Nintendo didn't force him to quit and they didn't put him in an "unfavorable" role in the company. They literally paid him to do whatever he wanted until he felt like the heat died down. He said so himself in an interview.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio Fair enough, thanks for the information. Guess the management acting kinda sketchy is a new thing.
The martinet conspiracy was real I guess, lmao
Putting aside what we now know about the situation, back then I never noticed it with Mario Wonder. He still sounded like Mario to me, and I didn't buy the notion it was a different voice actor simply because he said "wowwyzowwy!" instead of "Wahoo!", because when has that ever been the only thing Mario said?
But Wario? Definitely noticed that. The voice clip of him saying "Excellent!" in the trailer for Move It sounded way off. Where Mario's new voice sounds like a worthy successor to Charles, Wario's has me worried.
dude I cannot believe this actually was real
Saw the news and immediately went to this video again. It's real!!!!
38:32 well, you guys better redeem that million dollar prize
this video aged like fine wine
Good job calling this out
The conspiracy was real after all...
congrats on predicting it
Well this aged extremely well lol.
Fortunately on the best terms too, so it's aged like nice chilled milk.
There have been multiple times when Vinny Vinesauce has joked on stream saying, essentially: "Nintendo has probably trapped Charles on a recording booth for like two days, just recording different 'ya's and 'wa's and 'hoohoo's, he'll still be voicing Mario years after he passes away."
It was a joke.
Yeah, but it's also possible that since they have HD recordings of him from several different productions, they could legitimately just make a soundboard out of his voice. Or train an AI to sound like him (with his permission, of course. And due compensation).
It's possible that the english lines for Wario Ware hadn't been recorded yet or were unavailable to the video editor for some reason, so they had someone do a quick Wario impression just for the Direct. It sounds too off to even be a replacement actor.
The same can be said about the guy Disney got to officially replace Kermit. He sounds nothing like Kermit
It's sad that he's not going to Mario but we should be that he ever did. Imagine the alternative universe where Mario sounds like an stereotypical italian gangster or something
This aged well
gonzo journalism at its finest
crazy that you made this happen
I can't believe they knew
@@Biddybud they are fully responsible for this event
@@DougedUp
I hope they're not responsible for the holocaust! Bernie does rhyme with Burny after all...
Sorry but it just sounds like Mario in the latest Luigi's Mansion. It also had a more loose direction and it's just the same thing.
Wario does sound very different tho. It's not Martinet at all.
But I wouldn't be surprised if it's just a placeholder voiceline for the direct, with the game now having a dedicated Japanese voice cast that is done first.
Apparently, from 2013-2018, Charles Martinet was homeless after getting evicted from his old home and being dissatisfied with other homes in his pay range. It's possible that he might have tried to ask Nintendo for a raise, been denied, and now Nintendo is replacing him with someone who will probably work for less pay.
Obviously this would be a horrid scenario, so I really hope it's not true, but it would feel very in-character for Nintendo to do something like that.
I agree with this theory, as it's "in-character" for every corporation on the planet
guess schizophrenia has some legs
*shigeru claps hands slowly* well well well
Wow, you used my video of Mario Odyssey voice clips, so stoked. Cybershell you are my idol.
Even in a post-reveal world this was pretty fun to listen to. I didnt know about a lot of the con/interview stuff presented here. I didnt even know he had a dragonball character
You guys were fuckin right
Holy shit this aged well
As a big Mario fan with a Mario voice impersonation and has been playing Mario games pretty much all my life, I was confused too when I heard the voice in the Wonder trailer. But after hearing it multiple times, I really think it's just all new lines. That "wowie-zowie" probably sounds weird because of the nature of the pronunciation. Not sure what's the deal with Wario though.
Jack Black knows his stuff but honestly in that little clip with Paul Gale it sounded like he had no clue who Charles Martinet was. It was like he was shouting out some random fan.
Also lol at Paul Gale showing up. I remember back when he was 'leaking' playstation all-stars battle royale stuff. Boy it was a trip to hear from him briefly in this video.
You fucking nailed it
Congratulations
I was here when this was hard confirmed 😞
Just read on IGN that Martinet stepped down, so keep your chins up: you two were right!
Something to be mentioned is that in WarioWare: Get it Together! (2021) it was kinda suspicious how Wario was the only character who wasn't fully-voice acted but his dialogue only used brief re-used clips whereas in WarioWare Gold he did voice the whole thing
I'm willing to believe this is due Martinet's age above anything else, and if that's the case then the possibility for a recast is on the table (some people said they would want him to voice Mario for the rest of his life, *which is a completely deranged thing to ask for; **_fucking Mel Blanc had to voice the Jetsons movie from his deathbed at age 81)_*
George O’Hanlon who voiced George Jetson had his second stroke in the recording studio while working on that movie and died in the hospital that day.
He was at the point where he could no longer see and had very little mobility and had his lines read to him which he parroted one at a time.
Similarly to Marlon Brando’s voice recordings for the GodFather Video Game in 2006 where he was on oxygen, which can be heard in the background of the recordings. The lines were, somewhat fittingly, only used in the hospital scenes. It was his final acting performance.
@@Steven_Andreyechen Similar to Orson Welles voicing Unicron in The Transformers: The Movie. His lines sounded so weak and labored that it required heavy post processing to make them usable, to the point they barely sound like Welles at all. He was so tired and sick that he insisted on only having the director, the sound engineer, and his own assistant present, he had trouble following the direction he was given (rather than his usual temperament where he'd IGNORE his direction), and he only even got a chance to view the script the first day of recording because of his health. His final line in the movie sounds so different due to his worsening condition that some people genuinely thought it was a different actor. He died less than a week after his final recording session.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio I have a tremendous amount of respect for the actors themselves still trying to contribute something artistic and doing what they love to the very end, as well as companies who still employ these older actors in what is Avery cutthroat and unforgiving industry.
I think however that there will be a lot of cases like these in the near future, as this next generation of actor continue to age. Actors of the 70s 80s and 90s are next.
Companies like Big Finish for example, who produce Doctor Who audio dramas among other things, have a lot of actors who have reprised roles they played almost 60 years ago in some cases, and you can really tell with some of them. Many have since died or retired due to poor health and tragically it’s only a matter of time for the rest. As much as I love him is Tom Baker going to still be doing this after he turns 90 next January?
How much longer will Frank Welker continue to voice Scooby and Fred, he’s almost 80.
Will Peter Cullen keep doing transformers stuff well into his 80s.
At a certain point we just have to let go, either of the characters themselves or the people behind them.
idk man, Charles did all the dialogue in ALL of the Get it Together trailers, fully as Wario.
Idk why he didn't have the full lines for the cutscenes, but if he can do trailers like that, he can do actual games too.
iirc martinet was hospitalized at the time. it's not suspicious that they would reuse clips instead of just letting a sick man rest.
His voice in Wonder's trailer didn't sound that off to me really, and the "Wowie zowie" sounded slightly different only after people started pointing it out. That said while it'd be sad to see Martinet go, he *has* to at some point, so even if he's still Mario's voice I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't for long now
HOLY FUCK YOU WERE RIGHT IM SCREAMING
It's real, nintendo took charles out back, rest his soul 😭