Trying Jimmy Page's #2 (The One With Hidden Switches) | 2010 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul 1959 R9
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📚Description: Being a primarily Les Paul channel, it is a wonder how I've gone so long without documenting a Jimmy Page Les Paul! We did his old Double-Neck a few weeks back but these episodes were recorded back-to-back. This is Jimmy Page's famous #2 Les Paul that he bought as a reliable backup to his #1 that Walsh gifted to him. #2 has some pretty fancy circuitry in it for tons of tonal capabilities. I'd love to say trying this guitar helped me to understand it better... but if anything I'm even more confused on all the options haha. When places advertise "Jimmy Page Wiring" usually they are offering a more simplifed/easier-to-understand version of this but it was fun to try the "real deal"
Trying Jimmy Page LP #2 (The One With Hidden Switches) | 2010 Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul 1959 R9
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Congrats Austin, this JP LP #2 is a great find, especially with all the included candy.
Will this LP be a keeper? (Edit, nope, not this time)
Thank You for documenting this guitar, this video is the end-all of information for this limited run instrument.
You should add a photo of the control cavity wiring to the Reverb listing.
Its an amazing design and build.
What I had read was they were going to recreate the famous double neck SG for starters. Then they were going to do some of the rest of his guitars. But they did not say which or if it would be all of his guitars. Sounded like it depended on sales of the initial two models they were recreating.
Years ago I had the same wiring mod in one of my Les Paul guitars, by far I found the individual pickup being switched to "Parallel" to be very useful. Switching a pair of pickups into "Parallel" was also nice as it gave an open/airy type of characteristic (albite also thinner sounding).
@@hkguitar1984 a lot of people think when you have higher ohms or resistance the hotter the pickup. It works the same basic principles as anything else that creates resistance. In parallel it is in effect doing the same as when you have both neck and bridge activated. It will drop the ohmage down since your putting them in parallel. In series it's the sum total of both when online. It will produce the what the two values are together. A simple math equation.
It’s important to note that the push pull pots and the switches were added in the 80s so they were not present during zeppelin
You know what they say, "Nothing has sold more Les Paul guitars more than Jimmy Pages telecaster." LOL.
Lol, yeah it’s definitely true. I love me some Jimmy Page playing his Burst, especially live. But the early Zeppelin I & II stuff played on his 1959 Telecaster are his best tones imo. I was actually listening to “Heartbreaker” today- and it sounded more like a telecaster to me than a burst. I’m not sure what the lore is on that- whether it was actually his tele or his burst. But until today I would’ve bet money it was the burst without a question. But today, the closer I listened the more I couldn’t tell which it was. And I actually started leaning more towards it being the telecaster. What sucks is that Jimmy Page on a Telecaster doesn’t sound like anyone else on a telecaster. He sounds rocking- with none of that overly twangy treble sound you associate with the “Nashville” telecaster sound. I wonder if the top loader bridge makes that much of a difference in tone? I know hard core Telecaster aficionados don’t like the top loader bridge telecaster’s at all. But If all Telecaster’s sounded like Jimmy’s- I’d own and play a telecaster :). I’ve owned some nice tele’s over the years, but always would end up selling them eventually. My favorite tele was a 74 deluxe with the wide range humbuckers- I should’ve kept that one- but traded it around 2001 for a 1970’s Marshall JMP that never worked right. I just never bonded with a telecaster in the same way I’ve bonded with two different Stratocaster’s a (73 maple neck) & a (62 rosewood laminate board) and multiple 60’s-2000 era SG standards & juniors & a few Les Paul- Standards & Juniors
@vadenk4433 It is said that he recorded with his Tele and played live with his LP. Had WAY more options on the LP than with a Tele, but preferred to record with it as time management isn't really top of the mind. I could be 100% wrong, but it makes sense. I'm more of a heavy guitar guy. I like Explorers and loved owning em, never kept any. The best guitar I have played was the LTD KH202 (yea, the cheapest one of the ESP KH lot). It's also the only bolt-on neck with a natural oiled satin finish. Smmooooth as butter, that guitar. It had a magical Floyd Rose as well, thing just ALWAYS floated and held tune PERFECT. Alas, I don't own it anymore. Down to 6 players and 3 "project" guitars. Only 9 atm...sad, lol.
@@vadenk4433Jimmy has stated multiple times that he recorded the entire second album with his Les Paul
@@damianpimpinella977 Yep, he did.
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Number 2 wiring made simple to understand:
Pickguard switch 1: master series/parallel; works best in middle position, turns the middle position into a giant super bucker by combining them together as one
Pickguard switch 2: Out of Phase
Neck/Bridge Volumes: Individual series/parallel. Sounds like a very weak humbucker, produces single coil like tones, no hum. Both coils are on, but instead of wired together they're wired separately
Neck/bridge tones: individual coil splits, only one coil is on, produces single coil tones, has hum, sounds like half a humbucker
Polaroids? You showing how young you are Trogly. Those are just regular old 35mm photos
Ha ha ha, I noticed that as well.
Gosh, I remember the first time I used "1-Hour Photos Processing", it was crazy, we joked about what would be next, wireless telephones!
While technology has greatly advanced during my lifetime, Mankind has not.......sigh
@@hkguitar1984Jesus, I do not miss that rotten egg smell of photo development, though.
He can't even pronounce "luthier" correctly. He has a lot of odd music knowledge blind spots. I think Austin was homeschool or had a pretty sheltered childhood.
@@dimlightbulb10 I 100% agree with you, Photo Labs and the Developer Solutions would set into your clothing when working around/with it.
😂😂😂😂😂
11:41 it's simply a bus bar. A way to connect multiple wires.
or Terminal Strip... Whichever tickles your fancy. 🙃
Jimmy got the guitar at the drake hotel in nyc in 73 when a dealer came to his room.
The thing gibson got wrong about the number 2 reissue was the black bobbin pickup, as the original has white bobbins
It's not that they got it wrong per se, it's just that DiMarzio has licensing claim on cream bobbins that Gibson never managed to get around
@@Drachot good point I forgot about that
Gibson can’t do white bobbins Demarzio owns the patten
@@samright4661 I believe Dimarzio's Patten has passed/expired, that is how Gibson can offer double cream '57 Classic pickups.
I love the look of the double cream bobbins in a Les Paul Standard.
I don't know how Dimarzio ever got away with that... Ridiculous. 🤨
Hi Trogly,
The gizmo in the control cavity is known as a terminal block in my industry (aviation). Used for wire management, lots cleaner and lighter than individual splices.
Is it accurate or inaccurate to refer to it as tag strip? That was my first description when I saw it.
@@garydiamondguitarist They seem to be similar devices, I would say it's safe to call it either
I don't usually particularly dig LP's coil split tones but these are the best I've heard them sound. Pagey is God!
If there's going to be a new Jimmy Page signature, my money is on it being his 1960 Black Beauty with all the crazy customizations. Since it was stolen years ago and only returned in 2021, now would be the time where Gibson could lay hands on the original in order to capture the specs.
Will it come in its spawn version with three switches and two of the pickup covers removed though ?
Were they to do one, they better. And it better have that Bigsby.
Evening all!! Trog, those aren't Polaroids lol.
i came here to say the same... lol
kodak and Agfa fotos from the 60s and 70s were a bit before trogs time.....haa....
ABSOLUTELY KILLER GUITAR!!!!! It would be my number one!!!
His red double axe is sooo.....sweet ❤
Thank you for finally doing this one! I've always wanted to see the inside of the backplate
Two words: Option paralysis.
The only thing that would have this beat is an old BC Rich with all the switches and the onboard preamp.
I really enjoy learning all the spec & details then we get to hear the Tones The 🐸 Toad is here for the long run.🐉
The reason heritage cherry is one of my favorites 😍 ❤
I made that wiring for my epi, you can use the switching to increase or decrease the mids on the fly. My fav one is the middle position with a full bridge humbucker and split neck, while out of phase and in series.
With yesterday's metal guitar, I was saying how Trog is NOT a metal guy because of his picking style, that he is a straight Rocker. This proves it, lol. This is 100% IN his wheelhouse. Lovely show tonight. Well done, Trog.
To be honest, Page isn’t my favorite guitarist, but this model is incredible to me. I would love to have this to play at my church, but I can’t afford it. I work retail. Unless God sends someone to bless me with this, I hope the next owner enjoys this amazing piece!
"Ask, and it shall be given"! 😉
Hell yea, now that's a cool signature Les Paul
I put amber switch tips on all my LesPauls🎸It's guaranteed to make me a RockStar👍🏾😁🤳
Rest assured Jimmy knew exactly what sound was for what he needed song wise.
Those coil splits and phase switchers came after Led Zeppelin, for sure.
I love this thing. Never knew jimmy used pull pots, and those switches under the pick guard. Never had a guitar with pull pots, but wish i had the money for this. Love all the specs of it, and would love to screw around with all the different sounds you can get out of those pick ups 🤘🤘 awesome video trog.
Those came after Led Zeppelin folded in 1980. Check Since I've Been Loving You from the 2007 concert where he uses the push-pulls a bit.
@@iagobroxado thank you for the info 🤘🤘 will definitely check that out
It looks fabulous. I’ve always thought that is one of the most beautiful Les Pauls. But good Lord the wiring! 😱
I own a Jimmy Page Dragon Tele that was MIM and I love it! I would love one of these LPs and I’m looking for the right Danelectro too. As for the double neck, I’ve had 10 back surgeries so I’ll have to pass on it. Great show tonight!🎉🎉😂😂👍🏻🤙🏼
Such a beautiful finish.
Fantastic, outstanding guitar. Incredible tones and beautiful to look at. Wish I had that kind of money.
beautiful guitar reissue from a legend. im sure its priced out the moon.
Kudos for Kashmir, nice touch.
That thing is a beast
When they first came out they were very intimidating. Nobody could really get a feel for 'em. Of course Jimmie carried the same atomic weight as the planet Jupiter, so nobody I know felt comfortable with the set up. Plus there was a bigger than normal price tag. Good Vid Trog. Thanks
another signature model mystery solved .thanks for clearing things up about the jimmy page models …. hope they make more
I have a 2022 wildwood standard with 59 underwound pickups that sounds fantastic.
i remember being a kid at a guitar center when the vos guitars first came out, one of the sales people was telling me about them and said “it stands for: Very Old Stuff”.
Vintage Original Spec
yep...he got that right then......
Nailed the headstock
There are only 2 Gibsons that make me go bat shit crazy…the Jimmy Page sig and the Aldo Nova…thats what I’m talking about 🤘
Thumbs up for the DADGAD!
Z is for late. Magnificent guitar.
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Hey Austin, don't quote me on this because I haven't gone and tried to look it up but I'm pretty sure that from memory and from the sounds you were getting, the switch on the pickguard is to put the two humbuckers in series with each other, rather than the usual single humbucker switching from series to parallel
You were having alot of fun with that
Best lookinf guitar. Ever. I'd love to get my hands on one one day, but there's a couple more zero's in the price tag than what I can afford ahaha
The series and parallel options really only make a difference in the middle position.
So, if I'm not mistaken in my JP's LP knowledge, the gouged out version will be Jimmy's #1, and it's due to mostly him doing the work himself. So, when it went around for him to doing the mods on #2 and ask for help with Steve Hoyland it was done professionally. But, after he got all the cool settings, apparently he mostly stuck to using the phase switcher, and nothing else too much, since even for him it was gimmicky. Also, that little black blotch that's next to the selector switch seems to be how Jimmy's #2 aged. I've seen several other photos of #2, because at some point I want to re-spray mine to have that similar colour, and I noticed that all the #2 has that. It must be more because of the neck thinning/carving process he did, and the re-spray to follow; therefore a different paint was probably used hence the weird aging.
This is the only Gibson I've actually ever wanted to own a #1 and #2 and I'll never ever be able to afford one..
I did get to play a#1 for a couple of minutes and it was extremely nice, I loved the thin neck and the way the guitar vibrated while being played it felt like it was alive...
But I'm a mere peasant and won't ever have one of my own 🤷
I’m not a fan of push/pull pots. I’ve been using a 6 way switch and love it.
I love how Strat the split coils sound
Apart from 1+2 and the Black Beauty, JP also played what looked like an Ox-blood LP.
That thing looks soo good though
Great work Trogmasterful.....very detailed ..love to know total hours...playing very strong...this dog HUNTS
He forgot to install a Piezo!!
I just had a Modern Standard hand- wired from PCB and the tones from this are even better. Just imagine if the pup's were Super '74s,
Trogly's playing: always digging in. I wish I could float for picking single notes like that, instead of anchoring. Jolly good show Mr. T., or as JP says - "roaring " !! Ü ♫
Brian May's Red of the band Queen deserves your review
Why do people like those?
@@infinidominion Amazing and unique sounds
I can't think of a more iconic guitar. Built in the 60s by him and his dad he has played it on every queen record and every queen concert ever. Same guitar.
I think a spec sheet should be included in every Guitar shipped out
The bar or bridge in the control panel is basically what many electrical panels and phone manels has in them deacdea ago. These days the bar or connecting bridge in many panels are a combination of spring or screw head terminals where as most phone panels are a push down type of terminal. The electrical ones work similarly to the quick stab connections on electrical outlets. Difference being here is the bridge isnt directly connected to the main circuit. These help when your needing multiple wiring options as this guitar has .
I get confused by the standard Les Paul wiring, I don't think I could manage that plus 4 push pulls and two extra switches.
How come you didn’t mention the first release of the Jimmy Page signatures in the 90’s?!?! I used to pine for #1 and #2 in my old Musician’s Friend’s catalogs from back then. I think I still have them somewhere in a box..
As Always, Nice Work! WooF!!🐶🐶
If I ever get a signature model it would be one of the Jimmy Page models. Definitely a reason to keep the pick guard on, with those switches. I'm definitely a fan of the alnico 2 neck alnico 5 bridge pickup configuration. I've got a cheap 335 copy with Seymour Duncan pickups and i love how the pickups sound. I put the alnico pro 2 in the neck and a custom custom in the bridge, which I think is alnico 5. Been thinking of doing the same thing to my nice Les Paul.
The Custom Custom is alnico 2. The Custom 5 is alnico 5. The regular Custom is ceramic.
@@bucknasty69 ahh, I appreciate the correction. It's been a while since I bought them and clearly forgot some of the details.
I just wired a switch in a guitar to put the coils in a humbucker in parallel rather than in series. It's a thinner sound with slightly fewer highs than a coil split, but with less hum. I think that's what the push-pull parallel/series switches do here.
And the push-push parallel/series switch maybe puts that pickups themselves in series which would make it louder and duller in the middle position, I guess.
So if you were to go from both pickups in series, to one pickup, to one pickup in parallel, to that one pickup split, the signal would get weaker and brighter as you went. I guess.
That thing in the control cavity with all the wiring is a tag strip.
The time has come
Do you guys think it would be "blasphemy" to install this wiring into my 2008 Gibson LP Custom? I know the pickups are different, but I really dig the tone variations here...
Do it!
Page has said that he never had all the fancy wiring in one guitar. He used it all but it was gibson who put it all in one guitar. Also that was a simple bus bar in the pickup cavity. The purpose is to be able to get the wiring to the switches under the pick guard
If there was ever a perfect example of ‘it’s in the hands and not the gear’ it’s obvious with Pages gear. When you try all the recreations, they seem like nothing special.
The telecaster, the Sovereign acoustic, the Sun dragon amp, and all the mods on these Les Paul’s. I’d be the same way as you, too many controls. Jimmy is the common denominator. What’s funny is he could play anything he wanted, but he has considerably few tools for all that he has accomplished. It’s funny to see him get all Giddy about the recreations. But he’s the master
The push/pull series parallel is within the individual pickups, the pick guard series/parallel is within the circuit (parallel is normal).
So jealous of these cool guitars.
I can’t even afford one of the basic models much less one of these fancy versions. Someday?
More tones ❤more notes to play 🎸🎸
Yeah, that’s a different JP wiring from most you can buy. Mine does not have the S/P switches for the individual HB coils. Only the S/P for the middle position
You covered the dragon Tele. Technically a Jimmy Page signature guitar.
Sweet 👍
That is my holy grail guitar and i have a customshop page tele and a 81 gibson lpc...black paf ugh...
Pretty sweet color on that top. Fwiw, as of now (3 days after your vid was uploaded) this JP LP is not showing up on your site. GLWTS.
Does this guitar really make you a better a musician? Isn’t that the purpose of playing? Is it worth the price of admission? Don’t get me wrong, it is a magnificent instrument and in the proper hands this guitar would be a show stopper.
It’s really how the instrument inspires you. So in a way, a guitar can make you a better player. When I bought my Olympic white 1962 Stratocaster in 2017 it inspired me to play it non stop for 3 years. I didn’t touch another guitar in that time. As a musician and songwriter some guitars seem to have songs in them- you can have had writers block- and then you pick up a different guitar and boom! the songs start to flow again
I guess it’s kind of like cars: nobody really needs anything more than something like a Corolla; any car will get you from point A to point B. More expensive ones are just more fun when doing so.
there is a Mickey Baker Les Paul up for Auction soon will find you the link ,supposedly its No1 of 25 but the guy that bought it had it replaced with the one at this Auction.
I want the Jimmy Page Les Paul Standard! It sounds superior to most of the others!
It is available!
I would like to see you do a review on a Les Paul guitar that has been turned into a Double cut sometime if you come across one.
PS. I wish you could do another review of your V2 Flying V Guitar. I would like to see you do a review of that guitar's neck now that you have a little more experience, but maybe you can repost it as a bonus for us to watch. Have a good day.
I am NOT a fan of the "Page wiring." Mainly because I can't deal with all the options, lol. I end up messing with tones more than actually playing and practicing. Like too many options. I spent forever wiring up a VVT guitar with series/parallel on 1 dpdt, in/out of phase on 1 dpdt, and 1 master coil split on 1 dpdt.... and it didn't stay long. I now just wire regular pots..
Being doing some woodshedding eh?
What's up with that serial number on the headstock. I can figure some of it out, but it looks interesting...as does the whole guitar. I think this does sound a little Fender Telecaster-like. That was Page's other "go-to'" 6-string for many years. In the studio, for example, on the first few Zeppelin albums, Page was using his Fender 12. He liked those sounds too, and if he replicate them on as many guitars as possible, the better for Mr. Jimmy.
Im not a fan of Page, but his signsture LPs always look amazing, they put an extra effort on his signature models.
Page top wraps his strings on the tailpiece.
Very rare pics of a top-wrapped LP of his. Mostly strung regularly. I do have a pic of his #1 top-wrapped when he's using the bow.
What Jimmy or Gibson should have done was some kind of active electronics so that series-parallel, phase inversion, and coil-splits and all the permutations were at the same volume as full-on humbucking. I once had a Les Paul with DiMarzio Dual Sounds that would coil-split and phase-invert. The altered tones were cool but not very useable on stage because of the low volume levels. I play strictly country, but prefer playing a Les Paul live. It'd be real handy if some of those altered Strattish-Telly-ish tones were a little more accessible.
I’m pretty sure my 2009 LPGT gives most of these different sounds!
Cashmere was done on a Danelctro
What are those push button switches? Where can they be bought?
Love JP, but doesnt his #2 have a cream colored pickup in the bridge?
Oh my God. What next?
@@ChrisShortyAllen No idea what you mean?
Yes, but apparently demarzio has white bobbins trademarked or something along those lines.
I think you would see some bigger tone differences with a germanium fuzz in the chain.
Yahoo JP
Gibson has already said that after the JP doubleneck, the #1 and #2 LP's will be next
I can't seem to find this guitar anywhere online. I'd love to own one someday, and although I probably can't afford it, I'd like to at least check prices, but everything I find googling this is just a normal non jimmy paige version. Did this have another name by chance?
I don’t know why out of phase gets a bad rap. I like it.
Me, too. Don't like how the volume diminishes but it still sounds good.
Also, you got die-hard LP players who think single coil sounds on a Les Paul is just wrong.
When are you doing a Heritage h150?
Shouldn't the neck pickup be overwound on a Page?
Nice Trogly back to one of my personal Favorites. Standards or customs love them all. I do like the switches under the pick guard Keeps the beautiful presence of the guitar. Thanx Trogly.
0:29 Jimmy Page, if you are not familiar…. You must be from another planet
2:59 Whoa.....too many tone choices. Is there a hyperspace dip switch?🎸🤔
Lucky
Love your show Trog!
His wiring got trogly “dazed and confused”
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