There are Only 2 Kinds of MARVEL Villains: Thanos and Gorr the God Butcher
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2022
- The Marvel Cinematic Universe has featured countless villains across dozens of movies and TV shows. But when you step back, you can see that there are only 2 kinds of Marvel villains. There's the villain who wants to bring glory to himself, and the villain who is looking out for others. Every Marvel villain fits into one of these two chacrters types. Frpm Thanos, Gorr the God Butcher, Loki, Killmonger, Red Skull and Ultron--They can all be divided based on their individual sense of justice.
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Written by Jack Picone linktr.ee/jackanthonypicone
Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright and Randolf Nombrado
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Thor: Love and Thunder added a lot of things to the MCU-new characters, new locations, new lore-and added another iconic MCU Big Bad played by an Oscar-winning actor to the already impressive list of MCU Big Bads played by Oscar-winners and nominees.
In this case, the actor is Christian Bale, and the character is, of course, Gorr the God Butcher. Bale brought his trademark intensity and method acting to the role, creating one of the most visually-striking, creepiest supervillains we’ve seen to date.
Gorr the God Butcher stands out from other Marvel villains in a lot of ways, but specifically, he’s almost an exact mirror image of the biggest of the Big Bads-James Quincy Thanos, or Thanos just for short.
That doesn’t mean when Thanos looks in a mirror he sees Gorr the God Butcher. When Thanos looks in the mirror, he sees Grimace. But the methods and motivations of the two villains are so distinctly polar opposite that you’d think it was intentional. And maybe it is. Could this weird yin-yang relationship between two seemingly random characters in the MCU actually have been planned in advance? And if so, to what end? How can the legacies of these two opposite characters create some epic conflicts in Phases 4, 5, and beyond?
Well to answer that, let’s first look at exactly how Thanos and Gorr complement each other.
Let's just look at how Gorr and Thanos are exact opposites. First, since Marvel is all about endgames, let’s look at the goals each villain ultimately wished to achieve.
Thanos famously wanted to balance the universe by indiscriminately eliminating half of all life, thus ensuring enough resources for everyone. By separating who lives and who dies by random, Thanos tried to justify mass genocide by claiming it was indiscriminate and fair.
But by randomizing who died, it meant trillions and trillions of total innocents were killed-innocents like Mantis, Betty Brant, Hawkeye’s kids, and even Groot. Not to mention half of all dogs, and everyone knows there’s no such thing as a bad dog.
On the other hand, Gorr’s plan was to balance the universe by very specifically killing the gods of the universe, numbering in only the thousands or even hundreds. In his mind, the gods are selfish, cruel, and hypocritical-far from innocent. And it was a calculated strike, doing the most good with the least damage, righting the universe with a scalpel, as opposed to a machete like Thanos’s plan.
I mean, the guy tried to throw a whole moon at one guy-Thanos is definitely a “go big or go home” type.
Funny enough, one of the only things Thanos and Gorr have in common is what initially set them on their opposite courses-starvation. Gorr’s hatred for the gods began after he was forced to watch his young daughter starve to death, while the gods he prayed to intervene selfishly feasted on delicacies not too far away.
Meanwhile Thanos proposed killing half the population of his home planet Titan, before everyone starved to death. His own people thought that was crazy and banished him, and the planet ended up falling just like he predicted. Once he saw that he was right (hashtag Thanos Was Right) he made it his mission to “save” the universe.
But that’s where the similarities between Thanos and Gorr end. Even their reactions were different-Gorr blamed the gods for failing to answer his prayers. Thanos didn’t blame his people for ignoring him, he just doubled down on his beliefs. Gorr disavowed his beliefs-not just no longer relying on the gods but actively seeking them out and butchering them.
So that’s where Gorr and Thanos were coming from, and what their endgames were-but they’re also exact mirrors in the ways they went about achieving these goals-and the methods and motivations for each are deeply tied into their own personalities.
Also, shoutout to the Take for inspiring part of this video with their hot take on Disney villains: • The Two Types of Disne... 
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Who's the best Marvel villain?
The Writers room
Gorr
MCU wise... Kilmonger, because you can feel for him.
Thanos
Trick question. There's no good Marvel villain
Whoa you absolutely hit the nail in the head. One sacrificed their daughter for their dream, the other sacrificed their dream for their daughter.
but he said it the other way around, the one who sacrificed his daughter as the selfish one, but the one who saved his daughter as the unselfish one.
@@artist0154 I’m not repeating what he said. Just pointed out the clever analogy on the video between them when it came to making a choice between their dreams and their child.
That bit is accurate but I think the wider analysis of the villains, especially Thanos is really reductive. After he succeeds he doesn’t parade his might and seek the adoration of the universe, he retires to a farm and lives the simple life. Saying he was only in it for the glory seems kind of disingenuous and inaccurate to what was one of if not the MCU’s most complex villains
Ghost is a unique Villain and more complicated than appears on the surface. She was not just driven by a strong desire to live but her whole character can be described by pain. Pain of seeing her family die, the pain of being betrayed by those who promised to help her but rather used her. And also the continuous pain she experienced because of her condition. She is a testament to the fact that almost anyone can become a villain if they suffer and become desperate enough.
I have suffered and am still a decent guy. I guess I haven’t suffered to the point of every cell in my body being torn apart and being put back together on an almost 2 second basis. I think I’d be suicidal at that point though
BUT In the MCU Thanos retired after his win. He didn’t have throngs of followers and he destroyed the stones. That doesn’t fit your depiction of his “real intentions.”
That's exactly what I was thinking. He left everyone behind to become a hermit farmer.
@@MargaritaOnTheRox
The most evil type of farmer
This is true but compared to all the things that he done that also mentioned in the movie, thanos seems more like how the video describes him
Also at the end of love and war gorr literally had the wish for anything in the world and he wish for a one thing that would make him the most happiest!!! Thanos gave up his love one for everyone.
I don't think 2014 Thanos would've done that
I think Gorr did it out of personal vengeance, and Thanos actually believed the universe was better off, so the categories are the other way around.
same, when he said that Gorr decides to resurrect her daughter as a selfless act, while Thanos killed his own proves the opposite, Thanos believes so much in his own path that he is willing to sacrifice everything, Gorr doesn't, so yeah, you are right
@@artist0154 Exactly. Ryan said, that Gorr's heart is in right place. But how can it be, when all he wants is some revenge extended to all gods after he just killed his god? He killed Rapu at the begining of the movie, his revenge was basically over, but the Necrosword made him go on a god killing journey, which he himself didn't oppose in any way. There was no struggle or anything. He just killed the one god responsible for his loss (in a way), but he wanted more. So his heart definitely wasn't in the right place.
Even at the end, he resurrected his daughter after Thor urged him to, not from Gorr's own will. Yes, he wanted his daughter back, but that wasn't his initial wish, when he reached Eternity. It took Thor's pep talk for Gorr to realize, that instead of butchering all gods at once with a simple wish, he could bring his daughter back.
And yep, Thanos definitely believed his own idea. He said to Stark on Titan, that only he has the balls to do what no one else could, that it needs to be him. And right after the snap Thanos was fairly devastated, he basically wanted to be snapped with the rest, he included himself, but as it was random, he happened to be in the other half, the ones, who survived. When you go to that scene after the snap, he's sad, not like someone, who just won, he's genuinly heartbroken. And he retired to his farm, he didn't bask in his victory. He was even at peace with the Avengers finding him and Thor beheading him as his "work" was done. That's not behavior of some basic villain, that's demeanor of someone, who just did something, that he deeply believed that had to be done. So yea, Ryan, you have them mixed. Gorr was totally selfish, while Thanos deeply believed in what he was doing. The 2014 Thanos excluded, as his goals were different, he was different. He came from an altered branch of the Sacred Timeline (let's call it that according to the Loki show, shall we?). He wasn't the original Thanos, he didn't go the long way to collect the stones, to sacrifice things, to spend thoughts on his ideals, he made a shortcut, the stones were present to him on a golden platter, he saw, what the Avengers did to his original self and the ideals he had, all of that affected him, changed him.
Ryan I like your videos, but this one is wrong, not totally wrong, there might be just two types of villains, but you've mixed these two, Gorr was selfish, while Thanos was (although delusional) kinda selfless.
@@Croftice1 true, specially the Loki part, Infinity Thanos and 2014 Thanos are 2 complete opposite persons, specially 2014 Thanos that just watched a TLDR version of his future
Thinking the exact same 4 minutes into the video.
5:15 the thing is with Erik Killmonger, his true motivations became revealed towards the end of the movie and they were far more selfish and emotional as with most tyrants. Preaching a new world order that's righting historical wrongs but that being a calculated political cover for (verbatim) "The world took everything from me. Everything I ever loved. BUT I'll make sure we're even."
He just wanted vengeance.
That’s true
He specifically wanted to destroy Wakanda, while dropping the whole world into chaos. There was no way for Wakanda to survive having the whole world turning into their enemy, their own weapons being handed over to all "the oppressed" peoples of the world, and the Heart-Shaped Herb that empowers their Hero and King being burned down to the roots.
I don't think that Thor would stay on Love's side if she started doing anything evil. Unless they've already thought about this and that's why they've been making Thor more silly, just so he can make a bad decision later.
I was thinking that too,thor is becoming more of a joke😭
The frost giant king is underrated.. love the line when he told Thor to run home to your Daddy little princess.
I think this topic is a stretch. Thanks is less self important than claimed in the video. He doesn’t want to establish himself as galaxy emperor. Eventually (even after the snap) he just settles down. That means he doesn’t really did his pursue because of power and glory- he just did it for the ideology, that this is the only way of bringing piece.
On the other side- I do think that Gor is not only led by bringing peace but by revenge and hate against the Gods. He cannot be as oblivious to think that killing all gods make the universe a better place- but he is feeding his anger.
Yeah this one is a swing and a miss
Thanos can be hard for certain people to understand because he is extremely arrogant and thinks way too highly of himself. His plan is a result of his arrogance, thinking he knows whats best for the universe, but if no one knew he did it thanos would have still felt like he succeeded. He sought power to achieve his goals. It meant nothing to him once he completed his mission. Theres no glory involved because he didnt care if anyone even knew.
Um, he actually threw the 'farmer Thanos' out the window when he saw they beat him. "I'll tear this universe down to it's atoms and rebuild it" "Out of blood" "They'll never know it, because you won't be alive to tell them. They'll know not what they've lost, only what they've been given." Sounds like he wanted to be supreme ruler of the universe there.
@@khaansulu5695 “Supreme leader” is being glorified and to be praised. To just “give people” is rather selfless (even though it was also mad).
@Hoax Television
Is Thanos arrogant? Absolutely. Does he thinks to high of himself? Not sure - eventually he almost won the battle based on his own strength.
I think Marvel could have made Thanos even more interesting and give him more time.
@@Dominikmj He said they'll know what they've been given, suggesting he'll make sure they know he did it. And if he was going to be selfless and give people what they need, why not use the stones to create more instead of wiping out the universe and starting over in his image? He's wrong and so are you
I just wanted to remind ya'll of Thor II. Malakith is a legit villain who just was under used. This mad guy can give the Avengers a run for there money
You missed the best kind of villains, the ones whose existence meant destruction and death, and it's understandable, there's only two such so far: Dormammu and MCU Hela. Existence of both meant imminent end of all life as we know it, which meant
1. The villain/problem had to tackled immediately, and
2. It's not personal.
Everytime any superhero movie made the conflict personal, they end up giving the hero and the villain pretty much the same power set and it's the "will of the hero" that wins. But that doesn't matter in the case of eldritch beings. There the heroes have to be cunning and wily, like the heroes of old myths.
Also, despite both villains being the absolutely more powerful than the hero, it is the villain's own plans/actions that eventually defeat them.
Hela's actions sent Thor to sakaar and got him teamed up with Hulk Hulk and Valkyrie, as well as giving Loki the chance to get an army and a spaceship. The entire journey also made Thor realise he can't win this one alone and will have to depend on others to take care of some things.
Pretty same lesson that the Old One tells Strange as she draws her last breath in that amazing scene: strange doesn't have to be the center of the universe.
These cosmic beings bring the best out of their heroes
You could make the argument that the Celestials were the same. They weren't trying to destroy earth per se. They just wanted to make a baby.
@@gamecokben agree and disagree. It'd have been interesting to see the eternals actually fight their creator/s but the baby awakening isn't even the main conflict of the story, that massive storyline is pushed to the background by the "Superman bad" storyline.
The celestials are more like the "indifferent puppet master" and instead of a nice cosmic battle that a group of alien robots would be expected to fight in, all we get to see is an extended version of Superman v justice league, which a) we've already seen, and b) was a broken fight since ikaris+sprite could've easily taken everyone else.
Lastly and side note, the defenders don't really have much of a driving force since they won't die from the awakening and whatever they think they like about the planet will be memory-wiped anyway. They personally have no stakes except "it's the right thing to do". Moral high ground don't make good plot points in superhero movies unless that's the central theme of the movie/hero.
Ironmonger and malekith too
@@gamecokben and it was important to have balance in universal scale.
@@shantanurathore7517 they made green lantern , flash vs superman
I think the best way to prove thanos's narcissism is: he keeps repeating it to everyone that whatever he's doing is for the greater good. If he was actually doing something for the good, he wouldn't have to tell it at all- the results would do it for him. It's like the movie version of if someone has to tell you they're a nice person ten times, they're most likely not as "nice" as they claim to be.
@@EdWedgie that's literally the shittiest help you could offer to humanity. Who cares if it isn't technically death, the people left behind remember and mourn them. And what happened when everyone disagreed and brought back their people because of course they aren't careless sociopaths? He decided to wipe all of existence altogether. Only because they disagreed to HIS plan. It was always about his perspective, his plan, never about anyone else. That's quite literally a cosmic level narcissist. And he knew that no one would agree, that's why he kept over explaining to everyone.
Gamora's rap sheet shows at least one of his lies, she's listed as the last of her race. A people he claims are thriving to this day, now that their population was balanced out, "The children grow up happy, with full bellies."
One of the few I'd say borders on both at once is Arishem. His intention is to birth new Celestials, not only to expand his rather few and far between race, but also to create trillions of new life forms, yet he still makes sure to wipe the memories of the Eternals and stay on top as the Prime Celestial so he can't be questioned or challenged. He's like a force of nature, and in my opinion it makes him a little more interesting.
Thnos blames himself for Titans destruction because of his inaction. Once he realized he was “right”, he realized that listening to others was his mistake. So he basically told himself that we wouldn’t fail to act ever again and he would make the crucial decisions from that point for ways.
Honestly, it’s easy to understand his mobilization.
He’s kind of like Iron Man in that way. Iron Man only makes a mistake once and then never makes it again. As you can see with every revision of his suit. Anytime there was a glitch, bug or weakness, he removes it, fixes it or replaces it.
Thanos and Iron Man are honestly more similar than I ever realized until I just wrote this reply. Lol
3:29 - Endgame was also a line in Black Panther's (movie that directly preceded Infinity War) end title song "All the Stars" by Kendrick Lamar. "Got no end game, got no ways out, got to stay down"
This is a good mirror for the two kinds of heroes: The privileged genius who gets humbled and has to prove his worthiness (Iron Man, Thor, Doctor Strange, Batman). And the honorable nobody who gets the power to amplify their goodness (Captain America, Spider-Man, Ms Marvel, Superman).
This is one of those “we need content…” videos 😂 but MCU Thanos has always been like watching Charles Manson explain very politely why kind of mean…he didn’t feel like a villain or enemy of earth at all.
Star Wars fans need content more than MCU fans. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi... and Darth Vader... and lil' Leia... and Inquisitors... y'all are our only hope. 'Til Mando S3.
I kind of reject the premise of this video. Thanos doesn’t fit in the Thanos category. Thanos is trying to help, his methods are what make him a villain. So I can’t really agree here. He is a maximalist and such, the contrast between Thanos and Gorr works. It’s the beginning, with people who are working for everyone or working for themselves, that I can’t agree with.
I thought thanos was the good guy
There's a reason Thanos identified with pre-Iron Man Tony Stark. He was doing great things for the _world_ in a terrible way, by using his genius intellect. He's smarter than everyone else, he knows what's best for everyone else, you should let him do whatever he wants, because he is better than everyone else.
@@xsanguine8 The irony being that neither of them appreciated the irony of their positions.
Killmonger is unique, outside of this generalization. The filmakers had to jump through hoops to make him irredeemable. And it still didn't work. T'Challa claims to understand Killmonger's goals, but instead of helping exploited Africans worldwide, he shares the country's technology with the most exploitative countries, many of which are historical colonizing nations. This decision will directly lead to the conflict in Wakanda Forever. Irresponsible nations will use Wakanda tech that somehow pollutes the ocean further and Namor will blame Wakanda.
Killmonger is presented as the villain but at the end of the day, he killed exactly two people in the film (Klaw and Zuri, both of whom arguably deserved their fate). And T'Challa's decision to share Wakanda tech will lead to perhaps millions being killed.
Did you not hear the part where he mentioned he killed innocent people to add to his kill count while he was a merc. He took his anger over Wakanda out on the world. He was a wannabe warlord, and his actions at the start of the movie showed that he had no honor code, and was just using the black empowerment movement to dignify his 'irredeemable' acts. For example, he turned W'Kabi against Okoye and T'Challa without a second thought because he was trained to cause divisions. Wakanda would have been destroyed had he stayed on the path he was on as its king. The world would have turned on it, they'd have sent The Avengers, and it would have been a wrap. He'd be dead and Wakanda would be no more. He didn't even worship Bast (hus costume moniker is Golden Jaguar), so the protection she provided would not have been there for him. Kilmonger was a straight villain. Subtle touches of justification for some of his anger, but he was a damned villain.
Wakanda sharing its tech with the world instead of having it potentially plundered by a world at war with it shows that it is apart of the world. Wakandan scholars were already travelling beyond Wakanda to learn about the rest of the world. T'Chaka was the first diplomat hailing from Wakanda, but his ancestors were all world travellers. They kept vibranium a secret with a few exceptions. The proxy nations surrounding Wakanda kept up the appearances of being humble Africa. T'Chaka broke with tradition and became a world diplomat (probably from guilt), then he was killed. T'Challa once believed that it was a mistake to introduce Wakanda to the greater world (in Civil War). By the end of BP, he knew the secrets his father was keeping and the mistakes that led to i.e. Kilmonger. Speculating on what exactly Wakanda is sharing with the world is irrelevant. T'Challa made the decision based on what he understood about his homeland. There were fissures within (W'Kabi's grudge). The end of BP shiwed he was ready to mend what was torn. Kilmonger just exploited what was there just to profit off of it.
Great points
Killmonger also killed the museum curator at the beginning.
Killmonger's idea of "helping exploited Africans worldwide" involved giving them weapons so they could kill whitey.
T'Challa was setting up Wakandan centers in poor African-American communities. How is that not "helping exploited Africans worldwide"?
He killed his girlfriend, and a Dora milaje as well , and almost choked the florist of the herbs to death when demanding they burn it all.
All facts
thats why i hope they make another dunno
marvel alternate storyes: showing us the other comic stories/villains with the same characters we had, like others steve cap stories.
Pumpin out content likes there is no tomorrow. Good job screencrush!
I like this breakdown of the Marvel villains... I feel like it relates to Star Wars n how fear leads to the dark side... or fear of loss of love, leads to the dark side...🧑🏫
This video is amazing!! I love your theory, and i wouldn't mind seeing starlord and Thor against each other.
Great video, loved it!
The Mandarin was both of these. He's by far my favorite new villain. I think we'll see h again.
All the villains were started on their path due to starvation? I guess you could say “you wouldn’t like them when they’re hungry”
i got seriosly hype with this video. awesome stuff
Because of your videos i can see whole new depth of characters not only informative
ScreenCrush and Ryan is the best Marvel breakdown RUclips channel. Watching this really gave me new perspective on Thanos and who he says he is and who he really is
Except he’s wrong lmao. You must be young. Learn to think for yourself my friend
@@MegaJeves Gaining new perspective from someone automatically means I can’t think for myself lol? I’m not even gonna debate with you on that one
I don't thumb or comment much... But Ryan the work you and the folks do behind the screen is awesome. This video was conceived, written, delivered and edited very very well
Thanos as Loki said wants to be a God. He wants "a grateful universe".
...and then we have Kang, who (depending on the variation) could fit into either one of these categories!
ive always known you get it ryan, but this video proves it to me. good job.
It seems as though you got the roles confused. Thanos sought to save the universe while Gorr sought to have revenge. Killing the gods wouldn’t help anyone, it would only make him feel better.
Technically Gamora is also now a villain taken over as head leader of the ravagers..
And I can't wait to see her in that role!
When you think of it, Gorr maybe one of the better fathers that are villains in the MCU. He may have villainous goals, but he cares about his daughter more than his goals against all gods and was left behind, trusted to his enemy!! Such a trusting, smart, and strong father to be able to have faith in his enemy to care for and protect his daughter.
Also, question, is Gorr’s daughter name really Love?
Yes it is that’s why the movie is called Love and Thunder
I feel like this is really reductive of Thanos, especially infinity war Thanos where I think he was characterized best. He made an army because at first he was trying to enact his plan Planet by Planet, which is exceptionally inefficient and moreso if he did it solo. The infinity stones despite being visually maximalist are honestly the most pragmatic way to enact that plan because it covers the entire universe with one snap. We see him take off his armor, we see him sit on the steps instead of his throne, and most importantly, when he’s done with his mission, he retires to a farm and lives a simple life.
There’s 2 types of villains - one who’s an evil version of the good guy (Abomination, Red Skull, Agatha, Yellowjacket, Mordo, etc) and the second - everyone else.
Interesting take. I think you actually have half of these in the wrong groups. There are the inexplicably evil for it's own sake, poorly developed and in no way empathetic (Stane, jude Law, troll-boy, Ronan, Ayesha, Guy Pearce, Abomination, Red Skull...blah blah)...and then even slightly complicated anti-hero / villains. (Vulture, Gorr, Zemo, Nebula, even Thanos)
I feel like these should be switched… Gorr was suffering from the loss of his daughter. Something that affected him personally. Hence why he wants all gods to die. Thanos wants to balance the universe for himself and for what he thinks will benefit others, hence a “grateful universe”. Gorr is acting selfishly for himself, while Thanos wanted to act for himself (sure) but also others.
No
@@ps5056 what do you mean no Thanos wanted to save the universe even though what he did was wrong he thought it would help people. gorrs daughter's death did not affect anyone except for him
@@hafsaali6962 no
I think you're a sociopath
Gorr could have been great but in this movie he is nerfed. Not enough of him to really feel his menace
You can't have a great villain mixed in with a bunch of comedy.
Gorr was an amazing villain, just sucks the movie he was in really wasn’t all that good
You mean Gorr could have been an amazing villian.
@@jimmyjam5453 nah, I still think he was. The rest of the movie was ass, loved it when he was on screen tho
@@truevoltz7451 ok.. I just didn't see the director do anything with him that would allow Gorr to be great.
Nah. Gorr was nerfed both in power and in motivation. He starts out his journey in self defense in the film. He willing kills a god asking for help in the comics.
Film Gorr = an anti hero at best
Comics Gorr = A fucking beast
But what other options are there, in any context, besides doing stuff for yourself or doing stuff for others? I can think of 2 perhaps: do nothing, like the folks who didn’t turned into reavers in Serenity, and doing something by accident, such as slipping on a banana peel
"Everybody is the hero in their own story"
What if the new Gamora takes over what’s left of Thnos army? And makes it into something slightly different but still a threat? She basically becomes her version of Thanos. And the guardians, mainly Peter, have to save her from that path in her new life. To make her give up her thrown\power.
Thanos is a bit silly. Why cut life in 1/2 rather than double resources? But, he is trying to save untold billions. Gor just wants to kill the g-ds he hates. Not sure where you get that Gore is selfless and Thanos out for his own ego (I will admit they kinda lose the plot in End Game but Thano is awesome in Infinity War).
I thought Gorr in the movie was an awful villain compared to his source material. He's very forgettable like Whiplash or the Dark Elves
Bad comparison with Thanos ,
Gorr is on the level of vulture , or wenwu maybe zemo. plus we didn't even see gorr killing a god. We just saw one in the beginning and that's it
It would have taken a better director to make Gorr what he should have been.
@@mandeepkumarray9050 we only get 2 hour, which was spent on thor instead of gorr. GORR THE GOD BUTCHER. damn it. where the hell is the butchering.
Counterpoint, my group has no comic booo readers and thought Gorr was a good villain. Understood his motives and power (thanks to Zeus being scared).
Gorr was an MCU villain? You wouldn't know it by the 10 minutes he was in the movie.
Consistently the best analysis on the internet.
if Gorr was corrupted by the sword...
and Gorr wanted to kill all gods...
what did the sword want? What would happen, when all the gods were dead?
would it get him to just start killing other things - celestials, random people, or something else?
or would he just throw the sword away, and sit and cry, that it didn't help anything
The two categories are
1) Oscar winning
2) Yet to get one(hope they will)
gorr was meh just because they didnt SHOW him being a good villian. They just TOLD you
Exactly...2 kinds...good ones and bad ones...🤣
Like others have said, Thanos 1000% wasn't in it for himself.
I think this is more of a scale than it is a dichotomy. Villains are (or should be) more complex than this and often have both types of motivations.
Yes he was, he wanted to prove he was right. And when the avenger beat him and he time traveled, he pretty much said he'd be the ruler of the new universe 'they'll know not what they've lost, only what they've been given' sounds like he wants people to know he's their 'saviour' when he's a moron. You've got the infinity stones and your whole thing is 'there's not enough resources for everyone' and you don't make more resources? Gotta be a genocidal maniac instead of making more shit with infinite power.
As if gorr died I'm so sick of the one and done villains, it seems even spidey in the mcu stuggles not to kill his rivals in there first fights
Nah, Loki and Thor want to do their thing which is usually some that relates to their ideals. They are radicals and will do anything to reach their goals. Green Goblin was completely different. He had no reason to kill, and his “plan” was really just to stay and create chaos. Goblin is in a league of his own
Great video
It's an interesting general theory, and I don't know if I'd say it falls apart, but maybe it gets complicated by the way some of these characters seem to vacillate between these extremes rather than fit neatly within them.
The example that stands out to me was Wanda. Your conceptualization seems valid that she is motivated by the injustice perpetrated against her, as wanting to be with her children was very much about her getting what she wanted/needed. That said, the fact that she aborts her efforts when she recognizes that she's the thing putting them in danger fits much more in the Gorr category than the Thanos category.
I don't think this disqualifies the theory, but I do think it makes it more complicated. People respond to trauma in multifaceted ways, they embody different conflicting ideologies throughout their character arcs, and nothing anyone does is ever purely selfless or purely selfish.
It's certainly possible to write characters like that, but I can only hope Marvel continues to acknowledge complexity in their writing.
All that said, I did want to add that this idea of villains being created by loving families and heroes being created by trauma has some pretty fucked up implications. At best, I think it ignores the ways that trauma and acceptance seem to be part of all these characters' arcs, and at worst it echoes this creepy "hard times make good men" memes that have become so popular with ethno-nationalists and useful idiots.
So you’re proposing Marvel will advocate that loving and nurturing parents make people evil… yeah, seems very unlikely any of this will happen.
yeah ryan! you're killin' it!
You asked for other view points, so here is one where I disagree with your characterization of the intentions/plot surrounding Gor. The "simple plan" of going to Eternity to destroy all gods was not actually Gor's plan -- it was the Necrosword's plan, which it tells him to do as it enters his hand. Upon merging with him, the sword instructed him on what he would do, and at that point, Gor kills his first god and states all gods must die, echoing the sword's goal. He was easily influenced by the sword due to his grief and outrage at the callousness of his god, but had his quest been successful with him still under the influence of the Necrosword, the end result of would have been the death of all as "all gods" would die, which would include Eternity, Infinity, the Living Tribunal, etc., those gods essential to the existence of the Marvel Universe. The fulfillment of his quest would be entropy.
The reason Gor was able to focus on his love for his daughter as he died was thanks to The Mighty Thor/Dr. Jane Foster destroying the Necrosword and freeing him of its corruption and control.
If we only consider movies then thanos is unique villian . No other villain is like him in MCU.
And Gorr is no where near Thanos in any area. He was a below average at best. Although chritian bale was good in the movie but Gorr didn't had enough screentime to establish himself.
1:08 i thought i misunderstand what he said.... Lol its really funny
Killmonger is the best underrated villain in the MCU.
he's not underrated at all, a lot of ppl praise him and have talked about how great he is.
He isn’t underrated 😂 and certainly not near the best
Definitely Ultron
I guess, some parts of the characteristics of Thanos have been stretched too far in this comparison to make a point. Thanos is a narcissist and I get that. He thinks of himself as a supreme being and way superior to others and that's why in Infinity War, after getting betrayed by his own daughters, he accepted the fact that nobody else would get his point of mass genocide and he was the only one who had the will to do that. This is the core superiority complex of this character, that he thinks that what he can do to make everything right, no other being posseses such will power. And for this reason, in Infinity War, he wasn't trying to kill any of the heroes who stood in his way, except Stark or maybe Thor (left him wounded to die in space). If he was the extreme maximalist and hungry for being worshipped, he would kill each and every last person in his way just to prove his supremacy. But he didn't do that. Every army he created was only to get his job done. And despite gathering all the infinity stones, he destroyed all of them instead of keeping them for himself and becoming the one ruler of the universe. His God complex circled around his thought that he was the only one who would correct the errors of the universe and thus save it for the future generation. So, the logic of "Maximalism" doesn't work properly from this point of view.
To quote Kain from Soul Reaver"But suppose you flip a coin enough times and one day it lands on its edge."
This was a really interesting video. I love seeing these types of contrasts. Great work!
I would LOVE a marvel villain trilogy where it's a villain fighting other villains instead of a constant good vs bad, good wins, I would love to see this as Cate Blanchet's Hela conquering the 9 realms and similar to Thor Ragnarok, it can then lead upto a big
Avengers movie where some big team-up defeat them but instead of them always dying, see a change, evolution or at least plateau where the villain didn't have to die...
Always two there are. No more, no less. (Looks @ Ryan) (Looks @ Doug) (walks backwards out the movie store)
the idea of love and gamora having a fight makes since because the gurdians of the galaxy could do a misson with thor and love and other thor harcters and they could have like a thor charcters like thor love korg valycrie sif and maybe even loki battling the gurdians of the galaxy
Thanos made the ultimate sacrifice. He didnt allow any emotional attachments to keep him from saving the universe. Gor had a temper tantrum because he didnt get what he wanted. He risks the fate of the galaxy for personal reasons. Thanos was indiscriminate.
Justin Hammer is the greatest villain in the MCU. He's just been working behind the scenes. He's secretly Doctor Doom.
Also,
He got the moves like Hammer
I mean the moves like Jagger
Will Gamora (from another timeline) create an incursion for staying too long in the main timeline?
Good question
that's a great question... I wonder if that is the one they are referencing at the end of Dr Strange 2?
Steve Rogers took the stones back to those timelines, which stabilized them as part of the sacred timeline. From my understanding, this would have basically done a temporal reset like the devices the Time Variants Authority used in the Loki series.
In my opinion she should of gotten dusted cause she came with the bad guys. When tony snaps all the bad guys died.
Ah yes, the dichotomy of villainy
Hello sir my greetings from Afghanistan seriously your explanation is better than hours of the movies I really admire your explanations and keep recommending it to my friends.
What you call your pet and what’s breed it is?
The real two categories:
Those that die forever stuck with only one story
Those that live, to be used again
If they keep one and done'ing villains, and not heroes they'll run out
I personally would have loved thanos and gorr fight each other, since out of gorr pov is thanos a sort of god, and i love Gorr. A more darker villain. I love that
I think this 2 molds fit all villains is a bit of a simplistic, specially when Thanos doesn’t fall in the category of doing things for “ himself.” Thanos wanted random genocide to allow for the survival of life in the Universe, how is that for himself?
Yeah your right the there Doctor doom and Kang the Conqueror nuff said!
This would be great as the plot to Eternity Wars placed between Avengers 5 & 6
Did Thor at the end have an updated Winnebago Chieftain space rv the Eagle 5 that was in the movie Spaceballs?
How can Thanos be all about aggrandising himself when, after the snap, he abandons everything he has built up to live in a shack, alone?
Why are you SO GOOD??!
Oh man, that Duck Tales reference XD
1:08 Caterogise? I had to listen to that a few times, it sounded so very almost right but something just didn't quite fit. You nearly had me, sir. Nearly.
Even though this is irrelevant to this video, after seeing Eternals & She-Hulk, I'm worried about the Marvel Studios' iteration of the Fantastic Four reboot.
Thanos was misguided, not selfish. In the end he stepped back from his journey, waiting to die.
this further proves that Gorr was under used
A+ analysis as always. Heavy Spoilers wishes they could put together this quality of content, lololol.
Possession is forbidden. But compassion which I would define as unconditional love is central to a Jedi’s life. So you might say we are encouraged to love. - Anakin Skywalker
Its a shame one of the best villians in Marvel was wasted in a comedy movie
Ragnarok was cool and a good change of pace but we didn’t need another Two hour Thor comedy where he finds himself and his purpose for the 5th time now. Taika was good for one movie but they needed a way different director to do the God Butcher Justice.
@@BrandonGavin_EDC I'd have even been fine with Ragnarok level comedy, Thor was a badass in that with a few WELL PLACED quips. Itv had a much more serious tone and mostly everyone AROUND thor was the comic relief, rock dude, jeff goldblum, etc.
this new movie, every other line in LAT was like bad sitcom writing.
So... something that I can't wrap my head around about Thor: Love and Thunder is people's perception of it. I go on the internet and see that many people are bashing it and calling it awful and unfunny... but also that just as many people love it, call it funny and heartwarming and praise Bale's portrail (I mean... it's Christian Bale; dude rarely gives a bad performance). Look, I personally loved the film (I don't think it's on the level of Ragnarok, but it's definetly no Dark Workd either), but this is one of those situations that just confuses me about a movie's reputation.
I don't know if you agree, but this makes it very hard to wager on a movie's rep with both mindset highlighted like that.
My guess, as someone who has not watched the movie but has seen people on both sides of the argument talk about it in videos and comments, is that the movie invested a significant portion of its effort into humor, specifically a kind of humor that some people find not merely unfunny but unpleasant. Therefore, a significant portion of movie-watchers got the jokes, and it elevated the movie above where the plot, characters and graphics alone would put it, while another significant portion were pulled out of the movie by the jokes, making them view everything else about it in a decidedly uncharitable light.
1:09 CATEROGIZE lol
I"m not really with you for about half of this...first Wanda...no, she was a Mom who only got to experience a tiny bit of her kid's lives. I think it made her crazy but I don't think she was selfishly thinking none of her other variants could raise them better. She still has A LOT of grief and rightfully so! And the whole thing with Love and Gamora? Nah. Love was being a kid who had a way of expressing her regular kid desires. I just don't see anything there.
i don't know about this analogy/theory. certainly wasn't convinced by your take on Thanos
"How exciting!" - Gorr
Can you do a similarly of daredevil season 1 ep 10 and obi wan kanobi ep 5, I think they’re really similar
This video so good after hearing about how she’s the leader of the ravagers
When Thanos snapped, did it also snap away half of the people in the after world like, Valhalla, soul world, ancestral plains etc? Also did the snap bring people to the after world and then the resnap bring them back to their planet? Since Spiderman got snapped while fighting thanos and so with everyone else who fought thanos, could they end up being in Valhalla before everyone got snapped back?
No.. those places are not in different dimensions. They are not in the universe.
Who does have the real necrosword, gorr or Hela, the collector did kinda confirm that Hela wielded the necrosword but called it "a" necrosword instead of THE necrosword