OBS Studio: Upscaling Retro Games for BEST possible quality on stream (Scale Filtering & Settings)
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
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In today's video, I walk you through the steps required to upscale your retro games within OBS Studio to get the best and most accurate quality. The video mostly focuses on the settings within OBS Studio to get the sharpest and cleanest results, but I also discuss the hardware required to connect your old systems to a modern capture card. We'll cover this more in Part 2 of this mini series.
RetroTINK-2X: www.retrotink.com/
HD Retrovision: www.hdretrovision.com/
(Amazon affiliate link for HDRV cables) geni.us/Umy4q8Z
RetroRGB: www.retrorgb.com/
► TaranVH: How to get nearest neighbor/billinear HYBRID scaling in AE - and why we need it! -- • How to get nearest nei...
► Retro RGB: Direct Video Game Capture & 4K Scaling -- • Direct Video Game Capt...
►PART 2 -- • Upscaling Retro Games ...
TIMECODES:
00:00 Intro
01:26 Context & Retro Gaming
02:21 Basic Hardware Requirements
07:07 Software Setup
07:40 Resolution
08:13 Color Format / Chroma Subsampling
09:55 Scaling and Fitting in OBS
10:59 Scale Filtering Choice
12:11 Fitting into an Overlay
12:40 Conclusion
Thanks for watching!
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I just upgraded a crap generic upscaler to a retrotink and it was the best money I've spent for making the older consoles look good. (Still not sponsored)
what model do you use? I use retrotink 2x pro and after using line 2x to make it 480p for my razer ripsaw, it flickers as hell and I need to use deinterlace in OBS to reduce the flicker
There was some very important information for me in this video. Especially when it came to the OBS settings. Thank you a lot!
I always used "point" for scale filtering. I can't wait to try "area" 😊 Thanks for the tips
This was very well structured. Thank you.
Nice! I have been needing to do this for a while now. I just subbed as well. Cheers!
Damn you upgraded that real fast. I remember when you first showed it of a year or so ago and it was just that crt in the back with a couple of construction lea and stuff in a box. Looks awesome now.
This is still such a great entry level resource. Thanks for doing this all these years
My pleasure!
Great video!
Really good info!
Thanks
I decided to buy the Retrotink 2Xpro, and its actually working really good and far better than anything else I've tried. So glad, as I was getting quite frustrated with everything else.
As someone who literally just got a RetroTINK 2X Pro w/ S-Video cables for his N64 specifically to stream it on Twitch, this video is indispensable! I had my layout and everything set up but I was scaling willy nilly. I now have a proper 2x interger scale with area scale filtering and edited my layout to match. I know it doesn’t matter as much with 3D games but the those old polys are sharp enough to see when someone is doing it right or wrong! Thanks for the information, can’t wait for part 2!
what capture device are you using to record the Retrotink output?
Thank you so much for this video, It helps my Nintendo Switch upscaling in OBS when i use Elgato 4K Pro.
I just recently got myself and friends the generic $15 capture cards from your video so we can do some casual streaming with each other over covid and I just modded a GBS-8200 with GBS control. So your video came at the right time so I can optimize my stream a little more.
The beard looks good man. You should keep it going forward. Looks very Daddish
This is a very niche video but this is also why I am a subscriber. Thanks for the tips.
Thanks for watching!
That's sick!!
I got a Datapath VisionRGB E1s and it's amazing with the right settings and cables it almost looks like you're running an emulator. But it does a few problems.
- Prohibitively expensive new, prices makes Magewell cards look cheap. So you have to buy one used.
- Supports only RGB signals (analogue or digital) and YPbPr (component)
- Requires fine tuning per device (retro console or PC). Replacements for the official driver tools such as the open source VCS by Tarpeeksi Hyvae Soft helps with this a lot as you can save profiles and such.
- No sound support requiring a separate line in.
So what do you get from all this trouble?
- Crisp almost emulator like capture
- 24-bit colour depth (8:8:8)
- Supports up to 1920x1200 60fps and pretty much any weird resolution you'd like below that.
I got this odd issue with some consoles with diagonal lines going across the screen. I suspect this is because of sketchy SCART cables though.
I was just wondering why 59.94 over 60fps? I know this is the NTSC standard, but I'm looking at the video properties of my HD60s and it says the input (Retrotink 2x Pro) is 60FPS. Also, are you correcting the aspect ratio to 4:3? What's the best way?
I'm hoping one day we'll get a standalone device that allows us to apply Retro Arch style CRT Shaders to analog video from old consoles. An actual SNES going through CRT-Royale then connected to an OLED TV would look amazing.
Humble beginnings to one of the best RUclips channels. Congrats man!
Cheapest retro gaming setup for me was a super famicom with decent shielded s-video cables into a passive splitter. From there going into a DVD ezmaker7 and into my crt (or retrotink/odv hdmi, when you wanna play on a flatscreen). The upgrade from svideo to RGB/component is really minor, and svideo with well shielded cables yields great results.
What's your current opinion for canvas size in OBS, 720 vs 1080? Does retroTINK-2x vs OSSC matter in this decision?
I can't wait for Part 2
He only posted this minutes ago? How is this possible?
Can't wait to try this out, I have the 2x Pro along with component cables for my Genesis and the Startech USB3HDCAP but the picture still doesn't feel right. I'll try this scaling out when I get the chance. Thanks!
Are you a mind-reader or inside my head? I think so! Just ordered the retro gaming cabels for snes/n64/GC and the same for ps1/ps2, planing to stream retro in between photoediting and then you came out with this 😀 looking forward to part 2.
Hey EposVox, in Taran's videos he mentioned how what he's done to achieve good results is to upscale as much as he can using nearest neighbor, *and then* to use a more typical scaling method to get the picture to scale the rest of the way. I wonder, would this work within OBS? Could you set up a 2x scale on your capture card in one scene for just your gameplay capture, then add that scene as a source to your streaming scene, and scale it with lanczos scaling?
That is literally Area scaling. Nearest as close as possible (generally overshoot), then bilinear downscale to fit. This video missed the whole point of using area scaling and treated it as if it was nearest neighbour/point.
Hey, I watched your video on Stream Deck LX and was wondering the mic you use. The voice is clear and sounds good but I don’t see a mic. Wondering?
I'm having problems with the SNES Classic sending a rather washed out image to my capture card. Any advice?
This might seem like a dumb question, but are you playing on a tube tv or a hd tv when you are capturing, and I assume you are splitting the connection so you can have the upscaler conected.
I use the GV USB2 for capturing my retro games, does that work with the information laid out in the video?
Help! The only "custom resolution" OBS is letting me choose is 1920x1080. How do I correct this?
The Transformation-Scaling options on OBS sources can be so handy! We had a pixelated webcam, but only when scaled down! Put it to bilinear - no problems now. Ofc it's nothing you wanna have on retro games (to blurry).
Great video. I've never messed around with the Retrotink (it's the only popular scaling solution I don't have in my set up, but I do have the Raspberry Pi HAT so I can say Mike Chi does great work). I use a Datapath card and I gotta say, the amount of work it took to get all my presets made in VCS (I have about 18 of them made) wasn’t nearly as daunting as I thought it was going to be. Would have taken even less time if I had had a way to load the 240p Test Suite onto my consoles and could use the checkerboard to key in phase.
It's tomayto/tomahto really and either option results in a good image. The real magic happens after you’re outputting a clean image to OBS and you scale it properly over there.
Looking forward to Part 2.
"The real magic happens after you’re outputting a clean image to OBS and you scale it properly over there." Yep! That's why I wanted to focus on it first, any capture method will be made moot without proper scaling.
And how do you deal with the input lag?
I have a retro tink 2xpro and the Elgato interal card, (non 4k) I followed this and the picture looks great, but playing via obs studio window, after a few i'm getting some audio delay if i stop the source in obs and restart it it will resync it's only a short break. BUT then the people watching the broadcast didn't report any audio loss. So not sure if it's something with OBS or what.
What is the best setting for color accuracy? With retro games from era where 640x480 was norm you can find lines that are just 1 px wide. But all coloring seems to go nuts with it even if you don't scale. Like I have 1 px wide red line on top of blue background and then in recording I have that line with at least 5 different shades of red ranging from almost grayscale to overblown red. How do I fix that? Should I upscale it ? And is it important how I upscale it? For example there is also way to scale it from settings > video > Output (scaled) resolution. PS in my case it's PC so I don't use any capture hardware.
perfect timing
What about the OBS Deinterlacing option called "Retro" What does that do? Shouldn't I have that setting on?
Quick Idea: Got an older PCI TV Card with AV/Antenna in ... could i plug in the Sega Master System II, search the Signal and just Capture the Window/Screen from it ?
I always wonder that with something like this, if something akin to DLSS could be implemented in the future. Good stuff :D
lets see dem OSSC recommendations, I await with baited breath.
I don't mind what the 20$ has been doing to the retrotink classic output, but I haven't gotten in my component cables for ps2 yet.
At 8:32 you mentioned the Cam Link supporting YUY2, can you record in 4:4:4 using that format? I did some looking and found that YUY2 supports 4:2:2, not quite as good as 4:4:4 but I guess that's better than nothing. In OBS Studio's settings under "Advanced" there doesn't seem to be an option to record in 4:2:2, these are the colour formats that I see:
• NV12 (8-bit, 4:2:0, 2 planes)
• I420 (8-bit, 4:2:0, 3 planes)
• I444 (8-bit, 4:4:4, 3 planes)
• PO10 (10-bit, 4:2:0, 2 planes)
• IO10 (10-bit, 4:2:0, 3 planes)
• RGB (8-bit)
I did try recording with I444 which seems to work, if that's the only way to record 4:2:2. Is there something I'm missing or is this my only option?
Edit: Also, what do the number of planes mean? They have either 2 or 3 but I'm not entirely sure what they're for.
Cam link doesn’t support 444/RGB, no. Just YUY2 at 1080p, NV12 at 4k
@@EposVox Ah okay thanks for clarifying! So is YUY2 422? I'm assuming I'd have to record in 444 anyway, as OBS doesn't allow me to record in 422, only 420 or 444. Here's the list of the colour formats again:
• NV12 (8-bit, 4:2:0, 2 planes)
• I420 (8-bit, 4:2:0, 3 planes)
• I444 (8-bit, 4:4:4, 3 planes)
• PO10 (10-bit, 4:2:0, 2 planes)
• IO10 (10-bit, 4:2:0, 3 planes)
• RGB (8-bit)
Hi, I recently bought a Retrotink Scart, European and stuff, and I'm trying to configure my obs to make the game look sharp on stream/record. I stumble upon, what I think is an issue, that is the lines on obs just looks like they are flickering. In your obs, I can see the same thing happening with the psone menu screen lines and the Tekken 3 gameplay in the life bar. What I want to know is that flickering a thing that should happen or is something that should be fixed?
Just for the record, I use the Razer Ripsaw HD.
That’s just what Bob deinterlacing looks like
i want ps logo neon form where you get it
Hey profe, I have an issue, I love scanlines and they look great on my side, but when I record or stream a game with scanlines it looks horrendous so I have to take them out entirely, but is no fun for me then. Is there a way to make them work on stream? I don't think is possible because the encoding process obliterates the original input signal but maybe you know some workaround, I think it could be a good idea for another video.
Video compression hates scanlines, period :/
:'(
so the Trasnform thing even works with my setup - im using an old Adaptec Gambridge on a small DIY Laptop to NUC conversion (i7 3537u, HD4000 GPU, Win7 32 Bit needed for the GB). But this made a lot of difference, with much less artifacting (it's a true 480i capture device from the XP Era). thanks!!
And it even upscaling Mario Forever Games to 1440p or 4K as well since it is sprite based game, Huge Thanks ALOT! I uploaded the gameplay footages of it
Any tips for streaming/recording retro PC games with OBS Studio?
Many of them only output lower resolutions, and run maximized-only. Which messes with alt-tabbing, even with a 2nd monitor. Leads to resolution jumps, crashes, etc...
play them on a second machine, piped in through a capture card
I have a cheap capture card (HDMI) is there a way to Force 4:3 aspect ratio in OBS? (my capture only has 720p and 1080p cannot choose aspect ratio). If I choose 640x480 in OBS it will look horrible (becsue it stretches the image back). Help :(
Aspect Ratio Correction filter - 4:3
@@EposVox Thank you for actually reply :) I ask similar questions in other videos and they ignored me.
Why do you specify the resolution of 720x480? Now, I don't what you capture but for example a PSX Game like FF7 is 320x240p. Shouldn't that in theory be 640x480 for 2x, 960x720 for 3x, 1280x960 for 4x and 1600x1200 for x5.. ?
Hey, what's up. So I found the Blackmagic DeckLink 8K Pro and the specs are INSANE, but its SDI... So my question is - Are there similar specs capture cards (8k60, 4k120) but hdmi?
Nope, that requires HDMI 2.1, which basically doesn't exist yet on the market
When I transform my source to 1440x960, the window is now bigger than my canvas. The largest I can make my canvas is 1440x900 so by doubling the source I am cutting off part of my game. Am I missing something? On your video, your source window clearly fits inside your canvas.
If your canvas is set to 1920x1080, 1440x960 will not be bigger than the canvas
I use the 4:3 aspect correction. I don't know what it exactly does but it makes it look better.
What is the 4:3 aspect correction? A plugin?
@@TheSqueakerNerd sorry replying to wrong message. Yes it used to be a filter on the video, but the last update it didn't seem to be there.
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This is aimed at retro gamers, but it's also a good tutorial for those who want to use OBS to digitize old film as well
every channel with "longplay" in its channel's name has watched this video!
I am not interested in streaming but do I still get a benefit from this when hooking up my SNES or Sega Genesis to this?
My current upscaler makes everything looks blurry as hell 😩
Yep!
EposVox 😀 Super, I did not expect a response directly from you 🙂 I am gonna check it out 👍 thank you for the great content 👌
What's the name of the game at 0:30 ? I've been searching since my childhood for footage :O
am i crazy if you x2 the 720x480 the aspect ratio is going to be too wide at 3:2? you never change it to 4:3?
It doesn't fill 720x480 so no, that's just the size of the overall signal with over scan
@@EposVox ah on my capture card (gv-usb2) it does fill the whole area with super mario 64 with only like 15px overscan border, i didn't know others didn't, ty
If you are recording gameplay for RUclips, bitrate is also important to check on. All games output at different bitrates. Unfortunately, RUclips doesn't support 480p 60fps videos, so you will have to upscale them to 720p 60fps using video editing software while keeping bitrate and resolution in mind.
" All games output at different bitrates. " Well this is not true at all.
@@EposVox Doesn't bitrate depend on the colors presented in the games? Maybe I'm thinking about the video recorded itself
There's color palette (16-bit vs 8-bit vs 32-bit etc) that has bit in the name, but all games send uncompressed feeds out to TV/etc.
The more action and color in a scene does require more bitrate to maintain quality, but that's not really something you control. In a CBR stream it all stays the same bitrate on Twitch/RUclips/etc.
@@EposVox ah, now I understand. Thanks for the clarification ☺
Regarding FPS, would us Europeans (or anyone else with a PAL device) want to be setting the FPS to 50, or still at 59.97 FPS?
Too bad it doesn't support 480p (which is allowed by the Wii and GameCube when using component cables), but it still sounds super useful for interlaced video.
What's the point in using RGB 4:4:4 when streaming services like Twitch only support YCbCr 4:2:0?
Because the 444 helps immensely with upscaling footage. It's fine that your final delivery is 420 but you get noticeably worse results upscaling 420 source by so much than you do with 444 source. Especially for 2d/pixel art based games where the hard color edges really matter
I’ve looked through most your videos. I haven’t seen one for how to properly hook up goxlr to stream on obs with all Consoles. PS4 has a fixable solution, PS3 requires a splitter to confuse the anti piracy software, Xbox 360 seems to require no added problems while Xbox One proves to be the worst. On Xbox One, you can’t stream the game chat audio and communicate with game chat at the same time. You can stream the game chat and your microphone and the stream would be none the wiser, but you can’t communicate with game chat to relay info to teammates. The Xbox won’t read the audio capture card trick used to be able to hook up goxlr to ps4. And the only way to hear Party Chat is to use the Xbox app on pc. But that app doesn’t have that game chat option. I avoid streaming online multiplayer games on Xbox because of this issue. I’ve googled the problem and hit up reddit, scoured every RUclips video related to goxlr with consoles and I’ve found nothing.
Please make a video on goxlr/obs/console streaming.
If you combine this with an SNES and Gameboy Camera, you could use it as your facecam.
So, when is part 2? I keep hearing mixed things about the retrotink for a lot of PS2 titles which is making me hold off.
If you want 480p passthru for PS2 games, get the RetrtoTink-2X-M. It supports 480p, but has worse scaling for 240p.
If you want the best of both worlds, I recommend the OSSC.
►PART 2 -- ruclips.net/video/dtd6CP41jOg/видео.html
i tried this on a vlc source and see no real difference, can you test is and see or i just have sucky eyes! lol
Are you planning on doing a tutorial for converting VHS tapes?
Yep
Upscaling and recycling old assets are always better than recreating everything from ground up without following the appropriate references
Elgato 4k60 pro 2? Is that mk2? Does it really support 4:4:4?
It will with an update soon ish
@@EposVox Will it have a lower hz limit like the 4:2:2 mode does on the mk2?
The checkerboard artifacts (visible in the yellow part of the logo) in the S-Video signal at 4:52 is an example of poor cable shielding for those wondering.
They were high quality first party cables too
7:16 how many devices you have bruh?
What about RF games like Colecovision? I have something called an MTVBox which goes from RF to VGA. Of course a VCR is an NTSC tuner + RF to composite upconverter built in.
You'll probably need to have the component video mod done for the Coleco. Depending on the system, some RF-only systems can be modded for better video output. Some only composite or s-video, some even have boards to allow RGB output.
1 sec of video:
- Are U..
- Yes, Am!
I Streamed Some Original PSX Games On Emulation And They Look AMAZING! BETTER Than On Console, Actually!
My Elgato won't accept 240p games upscaled to 480p even through the RetroTink.
Can you just use a ps2 with component and get similar results to the ps1 RGB? I know you could use ps3 but I can't stand how slow that system is, so :P
PS2 has slightly noisier output but the result would be basically the same yes
Now that I know that there's a way better option than running my old Elgato Game Capture HD's HDMI passthrough into my internal capture card, I'm hyped. Losing so much quality through that janky workaround that I ended up getting into emulation and ripping my discs instead.
Dear gosh yes please never again
It was a dark age of "the struggle," my sins are in the past
Did the part 2 just never come?
►PART 2 -- ruclips.net/video/dtd6CP41jOg/видео.html
@@EposVox thanks, love your work. Sometimes I got the dumb. XD
how could i capture a ps2
?
Watching the video
Don't go on ultra cheap S-video cables, or those with Composite and S-video cables, most of the cheap ones wil give you a really nasty checkerboard pattern. All my setup is S-video based and I capture direct with a Diamond VC-500. Is was a really cheap setup, I paid 30 bucks for the capture card, but it works for me, the only problem I have is with framerates, because it is kinda wonky sometimes, but for what I use, speedruns and a casual livestream for the price I can't get any better.
Thanks for the amazing vid! I'm ordering one for my old old old old genesis!
PS - Have you noticed that your reflections in the glass behind you cause a delay? hmm
How would that cause a delay?
@@EposVox Not sure if I'm using the right word here, but if you notice the glass behind you, it shows a delay of you moving around.. maybe your monitor? *shrug*
Wouldn't using an emulator be better overall?
Not for everyone
Proper answer would be the Framemeister
but most people would just use an emulator, especially for handheld retro games
Depends on your answer of "proper" - most people would not consider the FM the "proper" way to go over a line doubler like RetroTINK/OSSC and it's hard to recommend the FM (as a FM user) with it no longer being made and being so expensive.
I think you should team up with my life in gaming for the upcomming videos
►PART 2 -- ruclips.net/video/dtd6CP41jOg/видео.html
@@EposVox The fact that you answered to a 8 month old comment to announce a video I've been waiting for is crazy! Thank you so much
Part 2 when? :0
►PART 2 -- ruclips.net/video/dtd6CP41jOg/видео.html
Crash bandicoot 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
JUST GET THE WII AND HOMBREW. ENJOY
Rather interesting thumbnail choice...
Why do you say that?
@@EposVox Ryan Whitaker
@@laurelsporter4569 I don't know who that is
@@EposVox I didn't think it was intentional, just quite a coincidence/synchronicity. He was a man killed by police in what amounts to a SWATting incident, and the body ceramic footage was recently released, and just this last week or so has been going viral. He and his GF were playing Crash, at the time.
Oh. I always talk about Crash when I can lol
This episode sponsored by GIANT WASP
Seems like a lot if hoops when you can just emulate the old console on the stream pc lol
Emulation brings its own set of problems and inaccuracies, and plenty of us have existing game collections we want to play, or prefer to play on original hardware, or want to also play on CRTs as per the intro and stream.
My display is reddish
Yo, do you agree with alpha gaming's take on streaming in general? He basically told me not to bother wasting my time, I'm a loser and I should get a real job. What is your take on this please?
You NEED to get an OnlyFans account and sell Bath Water to NOT be a looser. Only then will you be able to compete with the likes of the vast majority of streamers. Gluck
That wasn't even his take.
You know, there are not only console games in the world. I wanted to find out how to upscale old DOS games played through DosBox, and I did not get an answer to that. 15 minutes of my time wasted.
Well the thumbnail did have Crash Bandicoot, a console character on it - but at the same time virtually all of the post-capture information (color formats, scale filtering, etc) all apply to your scenario too. So if you did watch the whole video? You got the answers you were looking for and your time was not wasted.
@@EposVox Will that information apply to my case? If yes, I admit, the time was not wasted.
Yes,
2:00 what you came here for.
Really struggled to understand and keep up with this video tbh
So much work just to stream a game from it's native console when it could be easily emulated on the PC.
Emulation brings its own set of problems and inaccuracies, and plenty of us have existing game collections we want to play, or prefer to play on original hardware, or want to also play on CRTs as per the intro and stream.
EposVox Ah, so I see you haven’t gone down the rabbit hole of CRTemudriver yet.
I mean, I have, but I'd still rather play on original hardware
point filtering or riot
bro wtf just dont talk blah blah just which one to buy cause im to start live in facebook which one to get
“Just don’t talk” is kinda hard in a video where I’m educating you about a subject…
Answer:use emulation.
Nah