Who is ACTUALLY a Legendary Super Saiyan?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A lot of characters get called the Legendary Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super, but who is ACTUALLY a Legendary Super Saiyan?
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ask you who the Legendary Super Saiyan is - I’m sure I’d get a lot of answers, but not all of them are actually right. That isn’t your fault though, Dragon Ball is a convoluted series in a lot of ways due to the multiple continuities that have existed basically since the first anime adaptation began. So let’s go through everyone who is and isn’t the “Legendary Super Saiyan.” I’ll even make a little chart to keep track of them.
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Wrong. The Original SSJ is Launch.
Now that I think of it..
Makes sense.
Who?
@@TheBloccobill The girl with Blue hair from Dragon Ball. When she sneezes, she turns blonde
Then that makes Bulma the first super saiyan blue
Yeah, but who's the Super-Duper Saiyan?
Gohan!
Ya ma
Or the Super-Dee-Duper Saiyan?
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Gokou
@@seansilv25 a hypothetical Goku and Gohan fusion
Vegeta: "I'm a Super Saiyan-!"
*Gets shot by Frieza.* 💀
Frieza couldn't stand his bull crap no more, little that he knew 🙃😔
By me lol
You see Frieza you're not dealing with an average Saiyan anymore
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Frieza: But Goku's not here yet.
@@waleedabdullahkhan5706He has risen above and become the legend… the legend that you fear… He has become the legendary, Super Saiy- (dies)
Episode of Bardock is stated to be a what if story. So it can't be canon to anything.
Its complicated. Before DBS: Broly, Akira Toriyama liked the episode so much that he drawed Bardock (from that special) in the frieza arc as a memory from Frieza.
After BDS: Broly, Bardock's story was retconned and now its the one that appears in DB minus and the granola arc
If that’s the case, then Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan
Well it's canon to me
@@mussajawara2844 that’s okay man! Gt is canon to me cause I hate the direction super went
@@juanibarra4927 Not that gt is any better
Vegeta: I WANNA, I WANNA BE A SUPER SAIYAN, I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA I WANNA
im just thinking of tiens roasts
The legendary Super Saiyans are the friends we made along the way
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so original 🙄
No it's broly
@@09ziyadit's a somewhat joke
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With how the Saiyans were barbarians who had no concepts of love or friendship. It makes sense how the super Saiyan form and even legendary version in super would be lost to time
I mean look at the royalty for example
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Im pretty sure carthu already mentioned that goku is the legendary super Saiyan in canon
Yeah, in a short from a little while ago
True
Ok
@Blaze_FenrirYamoshi is the original “Super Saiyan God”
@@MercWTM2wrong. Yamoshi never achieved super saiyan god
Also want to add that in the non-canon movie timeline, Broly seems to be younger when he turns into a regular super saiyan. So he does (non-canonically of course) become a super saiyan before Goku making him the first in a thousand years, but only in the non-canon timeline of course.
Yeah, Z Broly was born on the same day as Goku, but we see him as a SS when he's still a kid.
*Launch sneezing and casually becoming a ssj before vegeta even knew about earth*
Goku is the legendary super saiyan that is supposed to eradicate evil when he fought Frieza, Broly is the saiyan of legends who is a freak of nature.
Lssj ain't hero
There is no legend about a freak of nature Saiyan, so no
@@CorelUser Explain golden ozaru...
@@CorelUser well no legend of the non canon broly but canon version when he appears in the fourth movie he is called a freak of nature by the king himself so that’s only like half true yes no legend but still is kind of called a freak but the king didn’t just try and kill him he actually tried mercy if you can actually call sending a kid to a planet that was super far away and basically useless to sayains all because he could possibly have gone berserk like his non canon counterpart and destroyed the universe so he was right to have done that and also wrong because broly was a child but to be fair I don’t think sayains know anything about kindness or mercy except for Goku when he first went super sayain was with his battle with frieza on namek and vegeta even has a hard time being nice because he’s technically prince vegeta jr. if we must use his full name though technically now a king since his father is dead and trunks is technically a prince who is half saiyain so vegeta would rather beet someone up or get into a fight than be nice while trunks probably learned kindness from his mother the real legend is how vegeta is technically vegeta jr. but nobody calls him junior how on earth does that happen also when goku goes super for the first time after watching krillin blow up was awesome and probably one of my favorite fights in this anime
@@rossmelnyk1900 not Canon
I love the idea that Broly is the actual Legendary Super Saiyan. While it seems like it undermines our expectations and that Goku should be because he's the "main" character, but it actually makes Goku BETTER. Rather then being chosen by "destiny" or genetics, Goku EARNED his transformation and forged his own destiny. In the end, hard work and heroics trumps legend and unearned power - such as even the legendary Super Saiyan. It's an improvement to the story and serves to explain why other Saiyans can become "super". Because none of them are actually THE legendary Super Saiyan, because only Broly is the true Super Saiyan.
My take there are two lssj one with heart of lssj (goku obviously) and other being lssj of strength which explain broly and kakrot conflict
So true... Japanese culture doesn't cherish the gifted, but those who work hard to earn gifted results. It would make no sense for Japanese to make Son Goku the Legendary Super Saiyan. That manga would be called one-punch-man or something.
Also there’s a huge cost to being the legendary super saiyan which is an overflow of energy causing madness and destruction everywhere.
legendary super saiyan is the guy who happened to achieve it. it was always possible, its just saiyans never reached that point strength wise and in a situation to put them over into achieving it. therefore it was rare, so whoever achieved it was legendary. Broly was just ultra strong, and achieved it quickly, and is the "legendary" one. goku just got strong and achieved it.
@@shredwerd009 you're implying his ssj is normal?
I mean, no matter how u feel about Broly, the fact is for Super Saiyan to really fit the status of "LEGENDARY", it kinda has to be special. Like think about it, if the form is so legendary why would it be accessible to just every Saiyan
And I mean come on, Broly is the only freakazoid super strong Saiyan of all the ones we've ever seen in canon, aside from the hybrids like Gohan(and also Kale), so technically he fits the legendary status best(sorry for rambling)
Edit: and in addition, unlike the hybrids like Gohan, Broly is a pure 100% Saiyan with unmatched potential so he actually fits the term "high class warrior" better than anyone
Facts
Personally i still think the legendary part of LSSJ is about it being prophesied but this is a really cool angle to see it as!
It's called Legendary Super Saiyan because it was a transformation that was done only by one man. Sure, every Saiyan can transform, but there hasn't been any who did until Goku because everyone thought of it as a myth of legend.
@@nem3732 I get u, but the fact that it has been proven to be aquirable by any Saiyan, even hybrids negates it's Legendary status. Therefore if a random Saiyan pops up with unmatched potential and a crazy exclusive form, he definitely fits the mold better than Goku who just showed that it was possible
@@nem3732 And if u still don't believe me, think abt it this way, Broly was a baby at the same time that Vegeta was a baby so they're roughly around the same age, maybe even with Goku. This means that in a hypothetical scenario where Broly was scent to Earth instead of Goku, he would have fullfilled the Legend of the Super Saiyan by defeating Frieza and basically everyone else without even having to transform into anything as we saw that Broly caught up to and surpassed SS Vegeta while he was in base. So it's safe to say that the form itself is actually just a transformation and the actual fulfilment of the "1000yr" thing was Broly since he, Goku and Vegeta are all relatively around the same age, so it's still after 1000yrs, yet only one of them on the entire planet could surpass a form they never even knew existed until Goku, while in base (Very sorry for rambling)
Broly is the legendary super Saiyan. The unique transformation and unique power
A personal theory I always had that in the GT timeline, Goku being the only one able to turn ssj4 at will without blutz waves was because of him being the LSSJ.
Wasn't it because he haad regrown his tail and Vegeta had not and he only had his tail back when he was in SS4 mode? Baby too I guess.
Unlikely since GT takes place in the movie continuity dimension and in that one Broly is the LSSJ
@@michaelgrey1503 right, vegeta had to force his tail out to even transform, it had nothing to do with status
@@JackedUpEntertainment this is false. I really don't know why people insist that there is any sort of real movie continuity because its simply not possible if you're also going to believe GT follows up the original run of Z with all the filler (which is where the water that exterminated the black water mist comes from in the GT arc where its used on baby's infections). Its physically impossible for some of these movies to have happened, like the fusion reborn movie especially. Goku and vegeta being dead would only happen if it was right after goku left the lookout. There is basically no possible instance where gohan is great saiyaman (when he should be presumed dead at this point, aka in the world of the kais,)and gotenks is ssj on screen while vegeta and goku are both dead.
There is also the tree of might, which again can't happen if you also believe GT follows the original Z run. Even the fact cooler appears in GT makes almost zero sense since vegeta and goku being normal ssjs (clearly not any of the higher grades or mastered since gohan isn't a ssj yet) isn't possible since no one knew vegeta was a ssj until he saved goku's butt in the android saga and goku is out of commission because of the heart virus until they all head to the time chamber. Broly is similarly impossible for this reason, even more so because trunks is there, meaning is *has* to be dead middle of the android arc where goku *has* to be bed ridden.
There isn't a movie continuity dimension that is compatible with GT or even the original Z run, it's safe to say each is their own warped dimension unconnected to GT and Z. Some iteration of the movies is likely in the GT timeline since obviously cooler appears (some bojack minions too i think...?) but the actual movies did *not* happen. You could even argue fusion reborn or some warped version of it happened in GT since it'd seem pretty damn unlikely they pulled it off first try (although it's also weird they could pull it off first try years later in entirely different bodies) but it's still far fetched. GT isn't a continuation of the movies as we know it, nor is it possible if you also believe old Z filler is canon in GT. Its just physically impossible for either of them to exist on the same timeline.
@@manipulatortrash you just have to accept that somehow both the movies and the Z anime happened in the GT continuity even tho it doesn't make sense, the Dr Slump manga is also canon to the DB manga yet that doesn't make any sense, you just have to accept that it's true even though the events don't line up, GT references The events of 4 (maybe 5 if you include return of cooler) movies in the show in someway.
Yes again it doesn't make any sense at all but neither does Dragon Ball and Dr Slump sharing continuity but they very much
This video is wrong,its obviously hercule
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He's right..
It's like a super Saiyan bargain sale😂
it's kinda funny how the reversal of the manga coming out later than the anime muddied up so much of Kale and Broly's forms lol
😂😂😂 no it didn't
@@nickalas666 the Super manga? yeah it released post ToP for the anime and post Broly Super movie.
Shocker; I know, but the Manga has been adapting the movies after they were released; for some reason lol
@@pockystyx4087Yeah and I'm mad that Full power DBS Broly form isn't canon to the Manga.
They’ll eventually have to or people won’t like seeing Broly anymore. He’ll just be like Frieza, a massive girthy log forcefully shoved down our throats.
The whole hype for Broly IS JUST the green haired form.
Goku: ssj of prophecy
Broly: ssj of legend and blood
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Exactly
Prophecy? First Bardock movie is filler.
@@zetset8098 Not really. The whole legend of the SSJ is completely canon and mentioned outside of Bardock's movie. Not only that, but while most of the story of the movie is non-canon, the last part with Bardock facing Frieza and dying is canon, and it was also in the manga way before Super Broly showed Bardock's canonical full story
@@cosmefulanito6854 Legend yes but not Goku as prophecy guy who beat Frieza. Bardock vision is filler.
Episode of Bardock isn’t canon, but I love the idea of the super saiyan of legend being Goku’s father. As a different continuity, I love it.
Bardock literally would never have become a Super Saiyan if Towa hadn't experimented on him to give him more power.
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The one who’s trashed by everyone, by Cell or Kermit.
*"Hehe, I'm HIM!"*
@@azimuddin1890 DevilArtemis representation.
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"And he was just a monkey.. right??"
Never gets old LMAOFGKJHJGKL
Russian db fans are OBSESSED with the "golden oozaru" that was shown during the frieza saga in the anime
They talk about it all the time and at any opportunity
People were talking about how they hope that it will show up in Daima
They must love GT
I went to a Russian zoo in the late 2000s and they had painted one of the gorillas gold and the sign said "OZORO."
okay maybe I'm just not that involved in the russian db community, but what are you talking about???
I'm Russian, it's the first time I hear of this
@@dangerousdays2052that's kinda hilarious😭😭
Well, the "Golden Oozaru" technically appeared in GT, as the precursor to Goku's SS4 (I can't remember if Vegeta ever showed it before he went SS4 too, but if not, it's probably because he got it artificially through Bulma's Blutz Waves-generating machine).
Goku is the one who did legendary feats. He made the Legend in reality and help others achieve as well
It’s Yamoshi then Goku
You’re forgetting one. Didn’t mention GT’s lore, which heavily implies that the mysterious SSJ4 of the Old Kai’s time is the legendary Super Saiyan due to him supposedly being a Golden Oozaru as was shown in the original Z anime
literally no one cares about gts lore
GT lore is not canon to main timeline.
@@reddragon100 never said it was. But Carthu went through non-canon material such as Bardock and Z Broly. Along with using Anime evidence when talking about Cell. So might as well also cover the other non-canon anime stuff
@@Ttzc788 talk about yourself little timmy
no one cares bro
You know toriyama thought of yamoshi on the spot😂
No idea why the movies were ever treated as a valid source of info, besides "we can make merchandise with this"
I mean, if you're refering exclusively to the movies before BoG, then yeah.
What I don't understand is why anime creators produce movies with no care or thought for the show cannon.
@@KingBuilder525 because they're not trying to adhere to the show canon, these are just fun little side stories. But on occasion they will bring in the original mangaka and actually make the movie at least somewhat canon, like with One Piece Film Red or the My Hero Academia movies.
It's part of the show they can make merch from the main series too I guess nothing is Canon by your logic.
@@ProjektTakufilm red is not canon tho
11:00 Actually, Nappa calls Gohan a “Chou Saiyajin” in Japanese. He’s basically just calling him a really strong Saiyan, not the legend (IE the Supa Saiyajin)
Nah in Japanese he says Supa Saiyajin. I’ve checked for this just in case.
@@CarthusDojo huh. Nappa DOES say Supa Saiya-Jin! Thanks for correcting me. Toriyama (intentionally or not) was REALLY foreshadowing it, wasn’t he?
@@celldh0825 Did you check manga or anime? I could see the manga using kanji for 超 in the text with furigana スーパー like DBS does.
I’d argue that the non canon legendary super saiyans are more of a legendary super saiyan than the canon non legendary super saiyans
I see the legendary status of Goku vs Broly as comparing an actual legend to a legendary Pokémon
Didnt Toriyama once say that saiyans needed to have a specific power level to become a super saiyan? Wonder how strong yamoshi was if he was able to transform?
Maybe Yamoshi was at a level of 3,000,000 also? But now my question is how come he didn’t completely beat the entire race? Was he too weakened? Gokou was already weakened when fighting Freeza, but then he seem to have regain his stamina, and Freeza at max was at 120,000,000 while Gokou was at 150,000,000 and was doing much better. Maybe Yamoshi’s stamina was too low.
I don’t know :/
You're referring to S Cells, enough training, and a pure heart.
@@azimuddin1890maybe the saiyans in yamoshis time where doing tons of push ups sit ups and drinking plenty of juice and had power levels in the millions but in my opinion i dont think yamoshi had a power level of 3 million. Toriyama never specified what power level a saiyan needed to be to go super saiyan all we know is that it would have to be higher than 120 since kid goku didnt turn ssj when krillin died and most saiyans never went through something that would make them that mad. Yamoshi probably died because of 3 reasons 1 their was a large amount of saiyans to fight against so he would probably have had to constantly use his stamina 2 he probably didn't have alot of stamina and 3 he was probably already injured and tired when he transformed since he was fighting the entire saiyan race.
@@UnwantedGhost1-anz25 vegeta didn't have that much of a pure heart when he went super saiyan he didn't even try to help his son and bulma when they where going to die in the android saga
@Noone-xf9uu training can play a part in it, look at gohan, he has a pure heart and had several moments of extreme rage that should have made him a super saiyan if it's just needing a pure heart and rage to trigger it, goku trained to his limits on namek when he snapped and transformed, vegeta trained until it practically broke him, and he still couldn't achieve it since he just wanted to transform, but as goku said it's born of a need, not a want, gohan and goku NEEDED the transformation, when vegeta stopped hunting the transformation he finally gained it
SSJ3 has ties to legendary Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan is the legendary super Saiyan
super saiyan is the legend itself, it was so rare that almost nobody believed it even exists
yea cuz it's a form of a super saiyan lmao
Yamoshi and Goku
EDIT: Its actually really interesting to me that the U6 Saiyans basically had a reverse version of the Super Saiyan Legend. I like it.
Maybe z broly is the reverse version in his timeline
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I always took it as
Yamoshi was the first true super saiyan (aka saiyan of legend)
Broly is a legendary saiyan in terms of his potential and power makes him a legendary
Goku is the legendary super saiyan (aka a prophecy that came true)
Z Broly will always be the LSS.
No he's not
That’s literally the name of his transformation, but ok.
Yes
In his own separate continuity
1:37 imagine getting spoilers for Dragon ball legends
BRO HUH
WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN
@LDTechno I believe this was when Zaaha betrayed him after the Omnificence crystal was finished.
@@alexvalencia5713yea the story is already out but I think part 17 will be out before Christmas is here or maybe before November idk yet
Thank you again! First you settle the SSG arguments, then the SS vs SSJ now the SSL. Thank you my man!!!
I'm somewhat surprised he didn't sneak in a joke about SSJ Mr Satan.
I love how Cathu had the he's Him and he's not him spectrum
Finding out Cell is made of only 5 people is wild. TFS made me think my boy Yamcha was in there somewhere 😂.
5 guys dna, and then maybe some fighting skills from other human fights. But what was Gero gonna do if Cold and Freeza didn't show up? Then its just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo in there.
The funny thing is thst in DBZA canon, yamcha is apparently the one that cell DOESN'T have dna
@@ProjektTakuweird thought. could mean that Earth would have been safer if no one went to Namek. going to Namek attracted Frieza and Cooler back to Earth. so if Goku stayed dead Earth maybe would be unaffected. the planet would be more vulnerable, but it was like waving a flag at a bull. maybe if Goku stayed dead Gohan would take over and lead Earth into a more sober-minded stronghold. Goku clearly just wants problems. 😂
but then no super saiyan, no Goku, no legendary battle against Frieza so it’s valid
Because it's not true.
Caulifla and cabba wouldnt even be a super sayin without vegeta. Hell they wouldn't even know what super sayin is without vegeta
@@progamer7730 Cabba is the ONLY one in Universe 6 that deserves Super Saiyan. Caulifla got it Because of a "back tingle"
So?
@@draconicanimations2381to be fair that's just how she described how it felt for her. It's probably a similar situation to Goten and Present Trunks. She was already more than strong to transform, she just needed a little bit of direction.
@@adventurersitem-shop3050 they aren't the legendary super sayin just. Because of that no other reason
@@draconicanimations2381 lol
I would actually like to argue that Super's Broly is closer to the Legendary Supersaiyan than all of the other still living non-Goku Saiyans since Broly likely never knew anything about the legend and because he unlocked the form the same way that Goku did, whereas the other Saiyans unlocked it through training and observation. Broly was a mindless brute when he transformed and definitely wasn't observing his combatants in the hopes of learning to ascend.
In many ways, Broly is a lot like Goku in demeanor and belief so he could still be a subversion of the Legendary Warrior trope that Goku's initial transformation was trying to subvert. The only real difference is that Broly was born with overwhelming power for the race and Goku was not.
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if we’re talking about the legend, Broly literally is the legendary super saiyan
I consider Vegeta to be the Legendary Super Saiyan of Universe 6, as he is the inspiration to Cabba to transform himself, and then _styles_ on him with the reveal of Super Blue.
Arguably Goku could hold the title too, as he transformed in front of Cabba first, but Vegeta definitely made the bigger impact.
As a kid, i always thought that Z-Movie Broly was possessed by a demon or similar, there's something about the way the power _explodes_ out of him uncontrollably when he transforms or attacks. And he's got such a degree of cruel evil that doesn't feel like it came from a mortal being. The restraining devices he's wearing don't shackle the power specifically, but the evil entity within him. And it would also explain the colouration differences of hair and ki - his transformation was mutated by the entity, and their Ki was blended together. (Toriyama later describing Super 2 and 3 as "mutations" of super saiyan rather than distinct forms cemented this idea in my head)
It also fits with the general theme several of the later movies had of demons and other pure evils being the villains.
Just my headcanon.
I always theorized hat Brolys green and blue transformation was just how his genetics Expressed SSJ. Like Gokus hair sticks up when he goes Ssj 1 but its not that same case for Gohan when he was younger. Vegetas hair barely changes while Trunks can't keep a consistent style. Like, the colors dont actually mean much outside of your genetics like your eye color.
I wanna know who the ancestors of the Saiyans were like? Were they Kaiju Monkeys right after being created by the Supreme Kais of Universe 7?
I need the what ifs back my goat 😭
They never went away. I just have more variety in my content. I don’t want to make a lot of what ifs, run out of good ideas and have to make “What if Vegeta and Goku shared a toilet? Part 12” LMAO
@@CarthusDojo what if broly was raised by galactic patrol
@@CarthusDojo We would need a part 1 first, my dude. XD
@@CarthusDojo what if Kratos and atreas entered the dbs univeres
or
What if goku entered the world of gow ragnarok,
@@CarthusDojoI completely understand you bro. Keep up with the peak content then! I’ll stay watching you and Smugstick!
Brilliant. I wouldn't have necessarily agreed if I just saw the list beforehand, but it's pretty tough to poke holes in most the logic.
6:49 he’s not doing wat master roshi does. Swole master roshi is his actual form and he’s suppresses his power to be frail master roshi. Similar to the way that frieza does.
I actually think broly's lssj is actually like another deity like a war god of the saiyans who demands blood like some aztec gods who desire blood as sacrifices
Like doflamango said who ever wins can decide justice history can be altered depending on the perspective
The Orginal legendary super saiyan was lunch
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Agreed!
The only legendary ssj with a gun
@@waleedabdullahkhan5706 bro what😭😭😭
Jesus loves you 🙏🏽✝️❤️ John 14:6
8:40 Maybe in a few centuries a legend about them will be written, but as of now, probably not.
7:13 I think Roshi's max power form is just what happens when he tenses his muscles fully.
Also type A is not type A, its the restricted form of super saiyan, people get this wrong a lot.
Not to nitpick, but if the Super manga and DBS: Broly differ like in the existance of full power SSJ, I would treat the movie as canon over the manga, since Toriyama was more involved with the movie
Toriyama was original creator of DB, however he didn't make all decisions. Decision making fell to whole team and companies that Toriyama was employed by. So correct way would be to formulate opinion based on final product and not purely on Toriyama's opinion..
plus full power broly still wasn’t designed by toriama the green hair was added in by toei full power ssj broly by definition is filler
Me when Carthu uploads: *ssj3 victory pose*
I am BEYOND starstruck that carthu liked my comment, easily the best dragon ball RUclipsr
Great video as always. But when's the next Dragonball What-if? 😁
the final background music went so hard that I didn't listen a word of what he said
You see Carthu, you’re not dealing with the average Saiyan warrior anymore.
Another well done video master
my personal headcanon is that the canon Broly is the same type of saiyan Kale is, and that the "full power" or "Berserker" forms are just a special type of Super Saiyan they have
but this is just what i think, don't take it too seriously lol
I'd be more forgiving of "Broly, the Legendary Super Saiyan" from the old Z movies if the oddness of there being a distinct "legendary" Super Saiyan that's separate from an the other Super Saiyans was addressed. Have the characters ask questions, like "What do you mean he's the legendary Super Saiyan? Isn't that what we are?". Have Broli monologue about being the true Super Saiyan and how Goku and co are all imitators. Heck, right before Goku delivers the finishing blow, Broli can fearfully ask himself "Could Kakarrot truly be the real legendary Super Saiyan?!"
But no, Paragus and Kaio start the movie off taking about the Legendary Super Saiyan running amok in the South Galaxy, and nobody bats an eye.
Broly ssj is un attainable while all their ssj was achievable by each other
I really want a backstory arc back to when Yamoshi was fighting all those Saiyans. Would be cool ngl.
For the “Super saiyan types” I think it makes sense for him if you think about the blue haired one as him still being restricted, then the normal one and then green when the power is enough to forcibly buff his body
6:53 what about frieza full power/mucsle form
Cell has frieza dna so why not?
King Colds dna
"This isn't canon so who the f cares" just wow dude
Why are you booing him? He's right
@@bagofchipx Of course he isn't, a ton of people care about "non-canon" stuff like Bardock's and Trunks' special, GT, the movies...
Considering how Super itself was about 10% Toriyama and 90% Toei staff, its really stupid to dismiss and trash talk content that was 100% Toei just because the fandom likes to.
It isn't canon. So who cares. This is a conversation about THE actual Legendary Super Saiyan. You can't be THE anything if you don't actually exist.
@@dawsontvdc None of these characters exist
@@doodoo2065 They do exist within that space. TV shows exist or we couldnt watch them. Youre being annoying for the sake of being annoying and thats all. If you're going to talk, change your pfp. No one wants to see a loli creep commenting.
Love your content. Can you talk about the great ape form next and how it's a missed opportunity to have been a pre super Saiyan form for all the Saiyans to master. And what I mean is the Broly version where he gained the 10x multiplier without needing a moon and staying in his human form.
I think it'd be an awesome what if or discussion on how Saiyans could have had a base form power up similar to mystic Gohan
What if Saiyans didn't have Super Saiyan? Then their only forms could be the humanoid great ape form and SSJG
@@ProjektTaku it could be interesting to see Goku use great ape human on top of kaioken against freiza
Or as a new base form power. I should ask around the DBZ community as this does sound like an interesting idea.
@@ivanbluecool I'd image he'd die right after if he uses kaioken ontop of wrathful (great ape humanoid form) after he's just unlocked.
However I can see him mastering it and using it as a new base form in the Cell Saga like with Super Saiyan.
@@ProjektTaku well the ape form is basically a 10x multiplier so on top of kaioken it could be a 20 or 30
Great ape is his body while kaioken Is a booster making it seem very interesting
So basically what if the the saiyan’s had ikari
11:56 ...Trunks did NOT take anything from Broly. The character of Broly was created by Takao Koyama, who was inspired to create a menacing and powerful Saiyan villain after watching Future Trunks transforming into his Super Saiyan Third Grade form during the Perfect Cell Saga, and designed by Dragon Ball creator, Akira Toriyama. So if anything, Broly stole his whole swag from Trunks. Do some research.
He meant Super Broly not Z Broly
I enjoy the rankings you gave to these characters. Thank you for informing me about true, legendary, super saiyans.
I mean, no one was friends with anyone, or being too close to someone to make them angry enough to unlock super saiyan, meaning it was basically lost to time.
It’s confirmed. Shallot is the first super saiyan.
In canon yamoshi was the first super saiyan
@@Nmoment-uv6jcyou’re slow man
but shallot's and Yamoshi's story is same, both were fighting over evil saiyans
“Shallot”’s a _much_ better name for a Saiyan than “Yamoshi.” Why would Toriyama give the canon original Super Saiyan a seemingly non-Saiyan name?
@@JoelERea that's what iam saying
I would put cabba a little bit below "Him" section but above "kinda him"
Because Cabba was the first in his universe but not the first in general
Kale can stay where she is and Caulifla would be in "kinda him"
It's not a measure of who's first though, it's about who fulfills the legend.
Cabba didn't fulfill the legend of his universe.
"once every thousand years a super Saiyan is born"
Oh so Goku is the legendary super Saiyan.
"Yes. Along with all these other people"
Oh... So the legend is wrong. You can just work out hard enough and when you stub your toe you grow super Saiyan.. cool
I like that the thumbnail is just “come on dad, come on broly, put down your fists, lets just go get some food.”
Carthu looks like a Mix between the Papa Johns SECOND cup of cheese guy and Post Malone
Great new video carthu, keep up the good work!
Bangers as always
Damn, wasn't expecting real life Carthu.
I’ve been on camera for like the last year+ of videos 😭😂
@@CarthusDojo Lol in my defense, I binge your channel at work, so I haven't really seen. But damn, I've got some catching up to do.
"You see freeza, you arent dealing with the average saiyan anymore"
Can I be in ur dojo
I'd love to train with somebody who has Mastered every martial arts technique and merged them into one ultimate technique.
Fun fact: lot of history isn’t always written by the victors. For example after civil war in US there were conspiracist and groups. They tried to downplay the harsh treatment, spread misinformation through schools etc. Lot of these have effected people which have shaped their perspective.
Lot of problems have ties to those people who were trying to establish the south.
There are many instances where history is written by people who have lost or who didn’t have a stake.
Yea
Who is ACTUALLY a Legendary Super Saiyan?
Shallot ancestor?
You should do a video on:
What is Goten and Trunks kept training
Story idea: what if Carthu and Salad Saiyan fought?
Its me
Actually the legendary Super Saiyan is Goku since Toriyama's original plan was for Dragon Ball Z to end with the end of the Namek saga, so it is assumed that Goku would be the only one with the ability to transform into Super Saiyan
He never planned to end at the freeza saga
I just divy them up into:
The Super Saiyan of Legend (Yellow)
The "Legendary" Super Saiyan (Green)
LSSJ having nothing to do with the old passed down fable, but he's so overwhelmingly powerful and kinda fits the description the evil Saiyans came up with that he believed himself to be the true fufiller of the legend, only to be felled by the True Super Saiyan of Legend. Basically, Goku is like Yamoshi from a true perspective but Broly is what the victorious evil saiyans saw...
Ngl you actually explained this perfectly. I'm gonna point to this whenever someone pops the question of "who's the legendary super Saiyan?"
Carthu, did you forget about Frieza's buff form? You didn't mention it at all when talking about Cell
Well that was retcon during DBS Broly when he was born with a high power level and what makes him such a powerhouse is that he is considered a ‘mutant’ type saiyan, just born with a definitive power that can’t be explained.
If you look at all three saiyans Goku, Vegeta and Broly they, in their own way, embody everything that Yamoshi had mind (UE Vegeta), body (LSSG Broly), spirit (UI Goku).
Holy cow, they're gonna fuse into yamoshi
😂😂😂 broly is not a legendary super Saiyan in z sure but now no
😂😂😂 broly is not a legendary super Saiyan in z sure but not now
When do they call Broly a mutant?
Obviously they are gonna name an unusual infinitely powerful baby mutant, they never said which mutation tho
It's not confirmed by writer
I always thought broly's legendary super saiyan was complete bullshit
Same tbh
He is peak saiyan legend everything ruthless about a saiyan
1st~ Legendary Killer for Chilled - Bardock
2nd ~Legendary Nightmare for Frieza - Goku / Kakarot
3rd ~ Legendary Pure blooded Saiyan - Broly
Conclusion - Goku is the Legendary Saiyan
That a good awesome
Fun fact: In the Filipino Dub of DBZ, Mr. Satan was not called Mr. Satan, he was called “Master Pogi” (Master Handsome, in English)
i dont think the Freeza Saga would be as good if at the end Goku became huge with green hair and just blew up everything
Cool, but then, what IS canon Broly? Just a prodigy?
A mutant. Kale might also be a mutant too.
@@mdxque8393 does the 1000 years between mutants is a thing then? or does it only apply for Kale?
@@curse5697only kale
@@curse5697 So Kale is a type of mutant from her universe so we can't use the same rules. Broly is a mutant because unlike Goku or Vegeta, whose skills get more refined as they fight, Broly's raw power is what is increasing rapidly.
Broly is a *”Mutant”* just like Frieza. Beings that are so powerful within their race they hardly need to train and gain a vast amount of power without training much.
First of all Legendary Super Saiyan is Broly Non Canon Characters also more interesting than some canon characters so Broly for me is the legendary super Saiyan who born in every 1000 years.
1000 yr shi is non canon to z broly
Carthu was really butthurt about z broly
Fr this video is basically nah he ain't lssj eat my sock
I mean, it makes kinda sense when people keep mixing continuities like it's interchangeable when it isn't, dragon ball canon is debatable but it's not dragon ball heroes where everything goes
And like Carthu says, it undermines the entire Frieza saga
@@RackerTheRascalMashup it doesn't undermine it, it just makes usual saiyan warrior son goku being able to overcome even legend of legends with their righteous way of power and co op
9:44 i think what i mean by their own destruction i think is probably the heart attack after going on a rampage after being too angry can give you a heart attack
I don't think Kale should be a "wrong" legendary saiyan, since universe 6 has it's own legend, it's just a different legendary saiyan than the one we're used to.
He seems bitter about the Brolys in general, and has a hard on for Goku being the actual legend.