The Freiza Black flex was what he wanted for so long. He never got over Goku sparing him on Namek. I'm sure by now he realizes that the Saiyans are a catalyst for growth and the most exciting thing in the universe. He never trained until after Namek. Deep down he knows he's only reached that level thanks to them.
Yep. It feels like he doesn't really want to kill them anymore outright? Like he is content with sharing a universe with them and not bothering them. Or at the very least it's turned into a rivalry or fun for him where he doesn't really want to outright kill them anymore. I guess Goku really did friend up this guy
pretty sure in sparking zero in the Resurrection F what-if where Frieza won, Frieza did give credit to Goku and Vegeta for being the catalysts of his training, so I'd say this feels in character for Frieza, plus, him sparing Goku and Vegeta when he had the easy chance to just outright kill them also supports this, since had it been Namek or even Resurrection F, Frieza would've killed them right then and there
@@SCP--qt4sqdoesn't happen in the manga so it's not canon. In the manga frieza eliminates both toppo and dyspo after forcing them on a rock far away from the arena, and toppo never had that asspull destruction god form
@@the_sam_strong I'd take the anime version over the manga for the ToP. Remember that the anime came first for Super (from the beginning all the way up until the end of the ToP). Besides, there are two canons. Anime canon and manga canon. I don't like the version of the ToP Toyotaro came up with for the manga anyway. For instance, making Roshi dodge attacks from Jiren is just stupid. The anime makes more sense to me.
@harana5595 Roshi was able to understand the concept of Ultra Instinct thanks to his martial artist's experience that's how he was able to dodge a Jiren who wasn't even trying anyway. It makes more sense to me than seeing Roshi pushing back Frost in the anime, which means anime Roshi hasn't just used his experience to dodge a few blows by understanding the concept of ultra instinct but he is actually stronger than cell to be able to even hold his own against frost considering frost was beating dbs piccolo in the tournment against u6, and of course that would make no sense just like android 17 being ssb level in the anime whereas he is merely ssj3 level in the manga which is a lot more sensed.
@@jacobhealy8376 you don't have a leg in this race if you really don't know what cidlunius meant. They quite literally JUST said something that actually happened in the show. I really hope you're just a fail troll and not serious.
My theory. Freiza has discovered a love of fighting. Before he met Goku, he had nothing to occupy his time. Now, out of necessity, he finds joy and purpose in getting stronger. He's like someone who has just started to make gains at the gym.
@@Adamatronamus here’s one Goku and freeze are going opposite directions. His hair started black then gold and white freeze started white then gold then black.
@@speedyspeed8178 Frieza detests the idea of training because he viewed it as something only inferior beings like saiyans would need to do. Him training to get stronger to fight Goku is him growing as a character and doing something he once viewed as a lesser practice. So yes he's becoming more saiyan like in that regard.
Every villain who lives long enough does. Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, now Frieza. First you want to do something evil and Goku is just in your way. Then you want revenge on Goku. Then you just want to become stronger than Goku. And then, before you know it, you're one of Goku's best friends. It's like Goku is contagious.
@@Aurondarklord you can add Krillin, the androids, Jiren, Top, Buu, Broly, and Yamcha to that list. Simply everyone who opposes Goku ends up inspired by him
@@ymir6843 it's the beauty of Goku's character. Everyone loves Vegeta because his character arc is great, but they fail to realize that Goku stays the same while having a direct influence on everyone around him, his enemies especially.
When Naruto villains become friends after Talk-no-Jutsu Dragon Ball characters become friends after Beat-up-no-Jutsu And even Freeza starting to feel it's effect
@@LordExor It's not necessarily that he's friendlier, it's just that comparatively, he's far less ruthless and bloodthirsty. In the first Frieza saga, he was literally rupturing Z fighters and shooting holes through people for fun. He took out an entire Namekian village for literally no reason, he could have just taken their dragon ball with no issues whatsoever. He also destroyed planet Vegeta, and not because of the Saiyan revolt, but purely to eliminate his competition after having that vision about the legendary warrior. He didn't think twice about killing. We've gone from that to him actually sparing his opponents, wanting to fight different beings at their strongest, holding back so he doesn't kill...he's not nearly the same tyrant we saw when we first met him.
He is supposed to be the next goalpost which seems achievable for the protagonists in terms of power, as opposed to beerus who is still somehow leagues above them.
Not really, at least in the manga Beerus no longer seem to be that far ahead anymore. His reaction to Black Freeza seems to imply that Goku, Vegeta and Freeza are dangerously close to Beerus
@@bloody4558that’s probably true and full power Beerus might be the final “boss” so to say, started Super with him and ends with him, I’d say that’s fitting
Beerus is a moving goal post. God Goku interests him, Blue Kaioken scares him, Jiren is stated to be stronger than Gods of Destruction and Goku reaches a level that Beerus has not reached yet to beat Jiren. So clearly, 100% certainty Goku surpassed Beerus here (he has also grown billions of times stronger sinse God form with interested Beerus). And then he has grown much stronger in 3 arcs sinse then. Yet they are weaker still than Beerus. It hit the point where it breaks every form of logic. Logistically, thematically, etc, which leaves us with just bad writing. It’s honestly not that big of a deal at the moment, especially if the anime changes things a bit (especially sinse the ToP anime made it even more clear UI Goku surpassed Beerus) but it will become a huge problem when we finally surpass Beerus and all the emotions are no longer there because we’ve done this years ago already
@@bloody4558idk what reaction ur talking about? Beerus at least to my knowledge never even acknowledged black friezas existence. The only comparison between their power we get is from vjump where they state that black frieza is "close" to the level of a destroyer. Which, going by their logic would mean black frieza is weaker than vegito blue who was directly stated by vjump to be as strong as beerus in the manga. So ya...
@SaucemanK Read the chapter again, Beerus instantly reacts to Black Freeza, and soon after there's a line of dialogue sailing that maybe Is the time to start considering who next God of Destruction will be.
@@rifarira9160 story opens up some time bf Vegeta gets nuked. Cooler ask freeza to meet him by a black hole. He plans to assassinate his brother but Freeza found out so when the fight ensues, freeza manages to toss Cooler into the Black hole. FF to present day. The same blackhole, a hand reaches out. Cooler returns now bigger and stronger, starts attacking and overturning the newly revived Freeza empire. A war ensues. The Galactic Patrol comes to heart , gets the Z Warriors to help stop the war.
In what world is he a black man? He’s more like an English, rich trust fund baby who is ruling the world through his parents’ businesses that they gave to him
To this day I still wish they gave Black Frieza armor that sort of referenced cooler,but just gave him a more imposing kind of look and not just another recolor for him. Nothing against it.
Yeah, that would've been sick. I'm still holding out hope that Frieza only showed a partial transformation and the full black form actually is like Cooler's 5th form, but its unlikely.
They moved away from power being related to biology or being physical. It's all different kinds of energy/ki now. Makes sense his transformation would just be color. Besides, he outranked Cooler forever ago.
Frieza is at his best right now. Physically and emotionally. He's more merciful than ever as well. If Beerus ever steps down at his job, Frieza would be a great God of Destruction. He only wants from mortals is subservience anyway so if you show respect he'll spare you. I think he's better than Beerus because he doesn't destroy planets if he doesn't like their food offerings.
Merciful because he left Goku and Vegeta alive one time? We don't know why he did it yet, but there's NO REASON to believe it was out of the goodness of his heart.
1. I agree, he definitely didn’t do it out of any want to save the anybody or anything, and intent matters very much when we’re having a conversation like this 2. Also agree, dragon ball was a comedic manga before it was a super battle heavy one, and those elements have been present through the entire show
In the tournament of power, he said something in his mind about “controlling the gods.” Maybe he has a bigger plan and will need the saiyans because they are mortals as well.
Maybe they'll finally flush out the planet Sadala Arch, and Frieza will convince Goku and Vegeta this war between mortals and gods has to happen for the good of the universe and to show them they're not play things for their entertainment like the tournament of power.
I think yeah, eventually he wants to beat Beerus. Aside from Goku and Trunks, Beerus is the only other person who has shown him MAD disrespect (and for much longer too) he is probably keeping Goku around as a sort-of frenemy training partner, to eventually (he hopes) reach a point where he can make Beerus his bitch.
@@shirohebie To be honest it's hard to take the idea of something surpassing the gods as something serious because I'm tired of charactes in DBS having hints of being stronger than the gods of destruction and then the next arc berus revealed that he's still the strongest character. so I'm not sure how Firza would suddenly surpass berus and I'm suppose to believe that it's not going to be retcon as berus is still stronger overall
@@eduardopantoja9115 I'm not saying that I believe he WILL surpass Beerus, just that he hopes to. Beerus is a moving goal-post. Only way for Frieza to realistically surpass him is by Super Shenron wish.
We already know Frieza's goal is to overtake Zeno and the Angels. Petty squabbles are now beneath him. We learned of this objective during the ToP. It's quite clear that he's no longer going to be playing a major antagonist role until some late stage of the story.
@@chiefff18 you underestimating the mortals, Goku just fought jiren who is stronger than a god of destruction so wym by that by the time they even witness black Frieza they are way beyond and stronger than what Goku was during TOP
@@chiefff18 don’t underestimate the mortals from that verse, Frieza might have no limit like saitama and has high training potential where as he can keep training and getting stronger if Goku and vegeta can do it and the z fighters then Frieza should have 0 problem with this, and knowing he is going for those position of power versus an Angel/G.O.D he will be training hard he has witness battles with Beerus and whis
@@IntenseEffectDripVegetaXV2 man, at this point Goku and Vegeta aren't on Beerus level While Black Freezer is much stronger than them, he might have reached Beerus (i'm not even sure), but Whis it's just impossible to reach, and so all the angels. Narratively the angels are above everything else and they don't even care, Merus was deleted for being too involved
Frieza may not be overly fond of them ruling over him (then again who should be? They're mostly terrible at their jobs) but he doesn't want to overtake them. He said himself he has no interest in godhood or immortality because of his experience in Hell. His goal also isn't to kill Goku and Vegeta because he could've done so but chose not to. I think his only goal at this point is not to end up back in Hell which means he has to change as a person. Think about it, by staying mortal he knows he will die someday and he's determined to avoid Hell. So what else does this leave for him?
I do have to agree, I think Frieza WON'T be a villain. Just flexing his strength, to rule everything. He won't SAVE people, unless it's to showcase his skills. Possibly even STEALING kills from them, cause that would be so frieza. Goku and Vegeta about to beat a villain, only for him to pop in and kill them instantly. Maybe even SHOCK the group by stealing the Dragon Balls again, and making a wish after beating them again. That wish?.... To REVIVE the saiyan race. Since THAT would be the one thing they wouldn't expect. "I don't fear you puny monkeys, so you can have your race back. I could easily kill them again in an instant. So DON'T stop me or my empire from expanding, or I won't show you mercy"
Ngl, in any other scenario, resurrecting the Saiyans would be such a crap move, but if Freeza actually beat Goku and Vegeta to get the dragon balls and then did this as a flex that would do pretty hard. Would be a good reminder to Goku and Vegeta that there's nothing stopping people weaker than them from getting stronger and surpassing them, but is actually pretty in-character for current Freeza. He's already going toe to toe with what he originally feared the Saiyans for, and ressurecting the Saiyans kind of helps with the stalemate situation he's in.
Imagine Frieza using the Super Dragon Balls to bring back ALL of his victims. It's the ultimate redemption and now he avoids the fate he fears most which is ending up back in Hell.
Frieza’s character development reminds me of glados from portal 2 or evil Morty from Rick and Morty. I think he spared them because it’s not worth it. He’d win the battle but inevitably lose the war like he always does. And even if he did kill Goku and all the saiyans, what does that gain him? One measly planet. It’s not like they’re actively trying to stop his plans unless he goes for earth or Namek. Frieza’s main goal is galactic conquest he can do that much easier by just giving up on Earth and Namek. Honestly I think he already had this attitude in the Broly movie. The problem was that Paragas essentially gave Frieza a kill Goku button and he was like well if it’s there I might as well press it.
I think as long as Freiza's role isn't tested, he'll be perfectly fine with them existing. It's the same reason why he didn't mind having Vegeta, Napa and Raditz working beneath him for 20+ years, despite him taking out the entire race because those Saiyans were the ones who could have tested his position in the universe
Honestly I see Freiza just being a chaotic character from now on. If Goku and Vegeta leave to go adventure the universes, I can see Freiza following so he can fight and maybe conquer more. He definitely has a thirst for conquest still and now enjoys it like a game rather than just business thanks to Goku and Vegeta. He doesn’t want to kill them, but still definitely enjoys pushing buttons and implementing risks. He’ll want to conquest so he can keep playing the game as he likes to. This can also be a potential segway into Cooler, who could in super canon have been training in other universes after losing to Freiza when they were younger and thus unlocking his fifth form. Freiza could be nice segway into other things and serve all kinds of purposes now.
10/10 video. Been searching for a video like this for ages about Frieza. And yeah, I agree with you, Frieza's character development in Super was one of my fav aspects of it, he's still pure evil, but much more refined, calculating and scheming, which is much more dangerous. Also, I do think that Frieza should remain a permanent fixture in DB in some way or another, and him becoming the next GoD would solve a lot of issues, since it's been a plot point since the beginning of Super (finding the next GoD), and it would also guarantee Frieza stays on. It would also be absolutely hilarious seeing Goku and Vegeta interact and working with Frieza as their GoD on a regular basis.
I have always thought that Frieza trained for this long specifically to kill Beerus and take his place. He’s the only one above him and the only one to threaten his reign as emperor of the universe. He’s already so far above Goku and Vegeta it wouldn’t make sense if that was just his goal.
I seriously have no idea how they're going to catchup this far, if his rate of growth is linear there's actually no way. Plus his new tech when it comes to how he uses his chi being something this crazy according to Vegeta only makes me doubt it, but after all it's dragon ball so I'm never going to be surprised
@@lancetheking7524 brohan the legendary beast (or, since it seems like green hair is now called wrathful ssj rather than legendary, brohan the wrathful beast)
the other thing too is it was mentioned that the last arc which is the next arc is called the black frieza arc so thats why people are saying frieza is the final villain
@kamdeoray3573 Someone who doesn't directly oppose the protagonist but still does things that seem villain-ish; like slavery, murder, conquering, etc.
@@kamdeoray3573 An antihero is a hero who is capable of morally questionable things. An anti villain is an evil person who is capable of doing some morally sound things.
Well said. Deadpool is an anti-hero. Who blow away the bad guy in a second. Something Batman or Superman heroes wouldn't. My best example of a antihero is negan from walking dead. He'll smashing grown upside with a baseball bat, but he has rules like he never hurt a kid. And PROTECT women from ....dangerous situations I'll say. Something that your typical villain like, let's say the joker or evil boo would not do
Am I the only one that looks at Frieza Now as like the Aizen of dragon ball post rof? Like even if he wasn’t on screen he stole the energy of the screen and now the whole black Frieza thing. I don’t know… Frieza just has felt so different in that second resurrection. So calculated, like he went from that person who would stand on the sideline to him standing on business even if it’s a background entity. Like the entire Granolah arc, I haven’t felt that tense reading his name since namek.
I don't really like the idea of Frieza not being a villain. I'd prefer if he remains the antagonist and maybe even ends up being the ultimate big bad of all of Dragon Ball
Friezas character development is somewhat similar to piccolos In piccolo's case gohan served as a catalyst In frieza's case it may be the saiyans or maybe something to give a final push
I love how disrespectful freezer is his love for the game is immeasurable, bro for real had to come back just to flex on them and show them how little an insignificant they are not even a blip on his radar. He’s in his own lane chasing the bag.
Just started the video not watched it yet but I agree already. Its so obvious, Frieza was cooperative end of tournament of power, he spared Goku and Vegeta, and his interaction inviting forgot names to be apart of his crew, he smiled and seemed mellowed out. He trained in a hyperbolic esque time chamber. he's not concerned about goku anymore I think he's got his sight on the gods of destruction instead.
Frieza development is the best part of super, it somehow manage to turn him into a main character without removing his most important trait that is being super evil
Hey, just had an idea 💡. Vegeta promised Whis to contend for God of destruction. What if Frieza wanted to as well. Then you get an actual god of destruction battle between Vegeta and Frieza. A battle I think the fandom would enjoy.
Is frieza really a villain anymore we can say he’s saved our universe and he let goku and vegeta live if he was the old frieza he’d kill them with no regard
Killing them was pointless, Frieza knew Whis would just revive them since they are buddy buddy with him and Frieza himself was revived by Whis. I think his goal is to find a way to get rid of the Gods so he can do what he wants, after 10 years he got over his need to kill Goku and Vegeta, he just wants ti be the strongest which he is now but as long as there are the gods he knows he will never truly be free
@ no lol none of what you said is gonna happen or makes sense kill the saiyans would not be pointless cause that would remove the ones that truly stand in your way
@ZayDeyknow whis would just revive them a second later they were killed like he did with monaito, frieza knows it since he too was revived by whis, that's why killing them was pointless, have you even read all of my comment or just the first sentence?
@Profitin The animations as good as the Broly movie/ we get full explanations, even a book and where not even that far in. They explained more than super did in its whole run in 4 episodes. The chorography is methodical and reminds me of the 90's when they took their time.
You could say he's flexing, and he is, but I really think Frieza sparing Goku and Vegeta is more than just being smug and asserting his dominance. He knows what those two are about. He knows damn well he just motivated them to exceed him in strength. The two saiyans are the closest things Frieza has to friends and I think there is a timeline where this concept evolves
I bet he will be the replacement for Beerus as the new God of Destruction. It's not evil, it's balance, and Freiza has learned this path slowly over his time in the series
The only way forward I imagine for Freeza as an antagonist is usurping the Gods of Destruction themselves, but the problem is that's a bit too similar to what Zamasu did
THANK YOU, someone finally talks about how much frieza has changed. his dialogue in the broly movie was such blatant confirmation of this. the fact that he was getting excited about making broly his enemy and saying that he's counting on broly becoming the most powerful warrior once broly trains his mind is so completely different from how he was in namek. hell, he even smiled when he was seemingly about to die against broly in the movie right before gogeta intercepted
Crazy to realize that frieza knows about moro and the prison. He knows a lot of information about the universe. I think alot of people are curious on the universe’s that got deleted since their are some missing
I can see frieza defeating beerus and taking over as god of destruction, specifically using that position to obtain the super dragon balls to depose Zeno
Frieza has always been one of my favorite characters of all time. He has immaculate vocabulary, is cunning and calculating, and is inherently powerful and regal. Personally, I think it'd be super fucking cool to have Vegeta be the new God of Destruction, and therefore be able to perpetually be able to keep Frieza in check, which is a WAY bigger win than just outright killing him. Now FRIEZA will have to listen to VEGETA, who deserves that win. The irony would be PERFECT, and we all know that Vegeta is actually the true King of the Sayians. What's cool about Frieza is that he is learning. he knows now not to just come at the Sayians outright, and is plotting and prepping in the background. I hope the Syian's tails come back
@@figlego I agree. I think trunks defeating him did not age well, simply because we have a list of shonen villains getting wasted today, and if you look back at it all. IT STARTED WITH FRIEZA. 😂
2 possible goals for freiza 1.He wants to become the god of destruction of the universe as it'll give him full control to manage his business 2.He would form alliances with the other top 4 strongest charectors in the multiverse and would want to overthrow the gods 3.Acquire the superdragon balls to give him authority to rule the multiverses
Its quite possible he'll get the Trunks experience again and job to some new arrival who then warns of an even greater threat. I hope not since that's be some real disrespect on Frieza's rep having that happen to him twice, but it is still possible. I'm just hoping that Frieza make a play for far bigger gains, either going for multiversal domination, of if he's particularly insane, gunning for Zeno's throne (Though ain't any way he's getting past Grand PRiest unless the dude lets him.)
Frieza is so awesome. I love that he has plans outside of earth and settling the score with Goku. I love that he isn't taking any shortcuts and actually puts in the work. I love how he actual develops and learns. This racist ass albino lizard is so cool.
Frieza has to be aware that when he dies from old age he will go back to Hell, now im not saying he's going to do a heelturn and become a good guy, but he has to be taking some kind of steps to avoid that fate.
It's like playing ball at the park, or in high school you had a rival, and you hated each other but loved playing against each other, and it wasn't fun beating up on some scrubs. The feeling of knowing you sent him home with an L was more gratifying than dropping 40 on some no-name school with JV-level talent, and it built mutual respect for one another and respect for the game.
I was skeptical about reading the title but this was solid... But I do think he'll eventually become the main villain again but it would make sense why he wouldn't right now.
I classify Frieza as a Martial artist now he understood what time and dedication can get him. He basically showcased his new power to Goku and Vegeta saying catch up he coulda easily wiped them out
It really in interesting to speculate on this… he’s honestly gone through a lot of development at this point and which the 10 years he spent training, he had a lot of time to really self-reflect… I’ve gotta say… I’m deeply curious where his head is at lol.
I feel like Frieza will eventually become the antagonist again, but only as the final main antagonist or second to last main antagonist with him since both Goku & Vegeta have to settle score with Freiza and vice versa. It'll likely end up with him being the final antagonist before Beerus. With 10 ten year strong Frieza, there's plenty of arcs that be put between these two before the beef between the saiyans and their evil rival can be put to rest
The best part of Dragon Ball (The Z portion of the anime) is so beloved in large part because of RIVALS. The idea's introduced all the way back in the first few arcs with Yamcha and then Krillin and then Tenshinhan, but it's not until Piccolo that we really get an uneasy alliance that could go either way. Once Piccolo's arc finishes, the conflict that comes from working with Vegeta drives both the Frieza and Cell arcs, and once that conflict is concluded (and poorly resurrected for Buu), DB loses it's luster. Frieza is a big part of why the ToP worked, and the series NEEDS a wildcard in the group to keep things from turning into the Power Rangers. They also keep trying to go back to that initial concept of Kaio Ken, a short burst of tremendous power that's dangerous to use. First it was Super Saiyan Blue and then they mastered it, then it was UI and Goku mastered it, but those arcs were also essentially ABOUT mastering the forms, they were never meant to serve as a Kaio-Ken-esque form long term. I kind of think Black Frieza is them giving it another shot, and since Frieza is a secondary character, he doesn't have to have the same power escalation as the two leads.
I dont know why certain people are ao upset with how easy it is for Frieza to increase his power. To me it fits perfectly with his DBZ character. It always intuitively made sense that Frieza was some type of super prodigy, someone who never put anywhere near the effort into training as a Goku or Vegeta but still got so strong so fast at a young age that no one ever came close to challenging him so he never really bothered pushing himself sinply because he never needed to. I really like the direction of his character.
Honestly Frizea's development might be one of the most compelling aspects about super. I do hope he doesn't come back to a main villain role at least in the near future, he's a way less interesting character when acting as a full out villain nowadays. Going in a more calculated direction that shows his development and trying to reach for Godhood status is an idea I like for his character and think fits well with everything we know about him. Canon wise I think it also makes sense that he wouldn't really try to destroy Earth, at least for now. Beerus and Whis love earth's food, and have shown that they really don't want it destroyed, and even black Frieza is unlikely to try his chances vs them rn. If he becomes the God of Destruction for Universe 7, perhaps a different story.
I'm surprised at the little mention of Broly. I think Broly will continue to play a pivotal role in Freeza's motivation for whatever he's got planned. He stated at the end of the Broly film that he was going to wait until Broly got a better handle of his strength before coming back for him, which we now see has happened in the last manga chapter we read before Toyotaro went on break. I believe he will go after Broly once more, which will prompt another encounter with the heroes and Freeza assuming the role of antagonist for how the future of the universe will be shaped.
Black Freeza was the resurgance of Freeza status in the pecking order since his terrifying clash with the Z-Fighters back on Namek. Albeit the same sociopathic dictator, this Freeza is more calm, cunning, and knows how to how keep the ball rolling. Heck, thanks to Goku's influence he finds joy in getting stronger and spared the 2 Saiyan rivals not out of arrogance but necessity. The reality is, Freeza has bigger plans for the entire multiverse and might require the Saiyans "help" for whatever motives he's cooking behind the scenes.
6:38 ahh yes its a big universe. all 28 planets- wait earth is not an option. 27- wait new namek is not an option. 26- wait the planet moro attacks isnt an option. 25- wait cereal isnt an option. 24- wait vampa isnt an option. 23- wait im sure we have conquered one planet at least. so thats not an option. 22- wait didnt moro eat like 3 planets? all other 19 planets are waiting for us! guess we can try and take over freaking yardrat if thats even worth any money. (ill never let them live the "28 planets" line down)
The Freiza Black flex was what he wanted for so long. He never got over Goku sparing him on Namek. I'm sure by now he realizes that the Saiyans are a catalyst for growth and the most exciting thing in the universe. He never trained until after Namek. Deep down he knows he's only reached that level thanks to them.
@@majesticslug3399 headcanon
@Profitin Useless comment
@@Profitinnot head canon it makes sense. You gotta use deductive reasoning and common sense
Yep. It feels like he doesn't really want to kill them anymore outright?
Like he is content with sharing a universe with them and not bothering them.
Or at the very least it's turned into a rivalry or fun for him where he doesn't really want to outright kill them anymore.
I guess Goku really did friend up this guy
pretty sure in sparking zero in the Resurrection F what-if where Frieza won, Frieza did give credit to Goku and Vegeta for being the catalysts of his training, so I'd say this feels in character for Frieza, plus, him sparing Goku and Vegeta when he had the easy chance to just outright kill them also supports this, since had it been Namek or even Resurrection F, Frieza would've killed them right then and there
Remember, Goku and Vegeta failed the fusion dance twice which means Frieza was getting his ass kicked by Broly for 1 whole hour
We saw frieza get cut in half an live. We know he can handle it rough 😂😂
Frieza is really durable, did you see that gut punch he took from toppo?
@@SCP--qt4sqdoesn't happen in the manga so it's not canon. In the manga frieza eliminates both toppo and dyspo after forcing them on a rock far away from the arena, and toppo never had that asspull destruction god form
@@the_sam_strong I'd take the anime version over the manga for the ToP. Remember that the anime came first for Super (from the beginning all the way up until the end of the ToP).
Besides, there are two canons. Anime canon and manga canon.
I don't like the version of the ToP Toyotaro came up with for the manga anyway.
For instance, making Roshi dodge attacks from Jiren is just stupid.
The anime makes more sense to me.
@harana5595 Roshi was able to understand the concept of Ultra Instinct thanks to his martial artist's experience that's how he was able to dodge a Jiren who wasn't even trying anyway. It makes more sense to me than seeing Roshi pushing back Frost in the anime, which means anime Roshi hasn't just used his experience to dodge a few blows by understanding the concept of ultra instinct but he is actually stronger than cell to be able to even hold his own against frost considering frost was beating dbs piccolo in the tournment against u6, and of course that would make no sense just like android 17 being ssb level in the anime whereas he is merely ssj3 level in the manga which is a lot more sensed.
Freezia being so petty to not kill them in order to flex on them again feels like such a natural progresssion
He is effectively competing with Vegeta for next god of destruction
@@patrickmcathey7081 boy oh boy no wonder yall like dragon ball its a mystery story to yall
Technically, in the Manga continuity, it could be said that Frieza sparing goku here was paying him back for the namek energy.
@@cidlunius1076 what does that even mean dragon ball fans out here word salading hoping no one notices
@@jacobhealy8376 you don't have a leg in this race if you really don't know what cidlunius meant.
They quite literally JUST said something that actually happened in the show.
I really hope you're just a fail troll and not serious.
My theory. Freiza has discovered a love of fighting. Before he met Goku, he had nothing to occupy his time. Now, out of necessity, he finds joy and purpose in getting stronger. He's like someone who has just started to make gains at the gym.
@@Adamatronamus here’s one Goku and freeze are going opposite directions. His hair started black then gold and white freeze started white then gold then black.
Dang that's actually a cool observation. 😯@@GodShadowdeath
@@Adamatronamus plus his sparring partners are beings he hates. That’s perfect for him
@@GodShadowdeath like yin and yang thats how I like to think about it
PLUS if he gets stronger there's a chance he can gain those 5cm's through training alone, getting buff enough to grow in height.
'Good' Freeza: "Look, I love villainy as much as the next villain...but I can't have you destroying my universe. All of my stuff is here!"
Ironically Frieza is becoming more Saiyan like. Training, wanting to see Broly at his strongest, pride, are all saiyan traits.
u play with monkeys and become one of the monkeys
“Saiyan trait” lol, any human or creature can feel like that
I swear some dragon ball fans seem to think pride is only a saiyan trait
@@speedyspeed8178 Frieza detests the idea of training because he viewed it as something only inferior beings like saiyans would need to do. Him training to get stronger to fight Goku is him growing as a character and doing something he once viewed as a lesser practice. So yes he's becoming more saiyan like in that regard.
and on top of that, he has now also become a monkey
Its so funny that frieza got infected with the goku mindest
Every villain who lives long enough does. Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, now Frieza. First you want to do something evil and Goku is just in your way. Then you want revenge on Goku. Then you just want to become stronger than Goku. And then, before you know it, you're one of Goku's best friends. It's like Goku is contagious.
@@Aurondarklord you can add Krillin, the androids, Jiren, Top, Buu, Broly, and Yamcha to that list. Simply everyone who opposes Goku ends up inspired by him
FAMILY 😂
@@ymir6843 it's the beauty of Goku's character. Everyone loves Vegeta because his character arc is great, but they fail to realize that Goku stays the same while having a direct influence on everyone around him, his enemies especially.
When Naruto villains become friends after Talk-no-Jutsu
Dragon Ball characters become friends after Beat-up-no-Jutsu
And even Freeza starting to feel it's effect
While*
😂😂😂 Naruto will talk to you but Goku and Vegeta will literally whoop your ass and it's either join them of get turned to dust
Naruto - Talk No Justsu
DB - Beat No Justsu
AOT - Eat No Justsu
Starting to see a pattern…
No? When have we seen Frieza start to become friendlier?
@@LordExor It's not necessarily that he's friendlier, it's just that comparatively, he's far less ruthless and bloodthirsty. In the first Frieza saga, he was literally rupturing Z fighters and shooting holes through people for fun. He took out an entire Namekian village for literally no reason, he could have just taken their dragon ball with no issues whatsoever. He also destroyed planet Vegeta, and not because of the Saiyan revolt, but purely to eliminate his competition after having that vision about the legendary warrior. He didn't think twice about killing.
We've gone from that to him actually sparing his opponents, wanting to fight different beings at their strongest, holding back so he doesn't kill...he's not nearly the same tyrant we saw when we first met him.
He is supposed to be the next goalpost which seems achievable for the protagonists in terms of power, as opposed to beerus who is still somehow leagues above them.
Not really, at least in the manga Beerus no longer seem to be that far ahead anymore. His reaction to Black Freeza seems to imply that Goku, Vegeta and Freeza are dangerously close to Beerus
@@bloody4558that’s probably true and full power Beerus might be the final “boss” so to say, started Super with him and ends with him, I’d say that’s fitting
Beerus is a moving goal post. God Goku interests him, Blue Kaioken scares him, Jiren is stated to be stronger than Gods of Destruction and Goku reaches a level that Beerus has not reached yet to beat Jiren. So clearly, 100% certainty Goku surpassed Beerus here (he has also grown billions of times stronger sinse God form with interested Beerus). And then he has grown much stronger in 3 arcs sinse then.
Yet they are weaker still than Beerus. It hit the point where it breaks every form of logic. Logistically, thematically, etc, which leaves us with just bad writing.
It’s honestly not that big of a deal at the moment, especially if the anime changes things a bit (especially sinse the ToP anime made it even more clear UI Goku surpassed Beerus) but it will become a huge problem when we finally surpass Beerus and all the emotions are no longer there because we’ve done this years ago already
@@bloody4558idk what reaction ur talking about? Beerus at least to my knowledge never even acknowledged black friezas existence. The only comparison between their power we get is from vjump where they state that black frieza is "close" to the level of a destroyer. Which, going by their logic would mean black frieza is weaker than vegito blue who was directly stated by vjump to be as strong as beerus in the manga. So ya...
@SaucemanK Read the chapter again, Beerus instantly reacts to Black Freeza, and soon after there's a line of dialogue sailing that maybe Is the time to start considering who next God of Destruction will be.
I don't know why nowadays people keep saying the word anti-hero casually, but Frieza is never an anti-hero in DBS. He is anti-villain
Very wise my friend, but many people have been caught on to the phrase anti villain yet. It's just not popular enough for people to recognize and use.
Nice
we need his cooler brother finally be canon
Cooler would make Super more interesting 😎
@@rifarira9160 story opens up some time bf Vegeta gets nuked. Cooler ask freeza to meet him by a black hole. He plans to assassinate his brother but Freeza found out so when the fight ensues, freeza manages to toss Cooler into the Black hole. FF to present day. The same blackhole, a hand reaches out.
Cooler returns now bigger and stronger, starts attacking and overturning the newly revived Freeza empire. A war ensues. The Galactic Patrol comes to heart , gets the Z Warriors to help stop the war.
@@rifarira9160 he is canon and next villain. listen to the video, he said he was searching for an sparing partner
cooler teams up with goku and vegeta to "beat frieza together" just for him to betray them as everyone expected
@@NEIL-rp3rm cooler is not canon what are you talking about 😭
He’s more than just a villain, he is a proud black man✊🏽
Frieza would kill you if you called him that.
@@theopulentone1650 good thing he’s a fictional character 💀
"I'm not Freeza! I'm something stronger: I AM BLACK!!
we cant have that nowadays cant we
In what world is he a black man? He’s more like an English, rich trust fund baby who is ruling the world through his parents’ businesses that they gave to him
If frost is an evil guy disguising as a good guy then there is a chance of frieza being an anti hero
Nope.
To this day I still wish they gave Black Frieza armor that sort of referenced cooler,but just gave him a more imposing kind of look and not just another recolor for him.
Nothing against it.
Yeah, that would've been sick. I'm still holding out hope that Frieza only showed a partial transformation and the full black form actually is like Cooler's 5th form, but its unlikely.
They moved away from power being related to biology or being physical. It's all different kinds of energy/ki now. Makes sense his transformation would just be color. Besides, he outranked Cooler forever ago.
@@majesticslug3399 Theres literally... 2 kinds of energy so far
and magic but thats entirely different
That’s not very frieza , that’s some corny GT shi
@@selfishbeats I agreed until you unnecessarily dissed GT.
Frieza is at his best right now. Physically and emotionally. He's more merciful than ever as well. If Beerus ever steps down at his job, Frieza would be a great God of Destruction. He only wants from mortals is subservience anyway so if you show respect he'll spare you. I think he's better than Beerus because he doesn't destroy planets if he doesn't like their food offerings.
@@dissidius13 we can argue beerus has changed since he met the z fighters and isn’t as cruel as before.
Merciful because he left Goku and Vegeta alive one time? We don't know why he did it yet, but there's NO REASON to believe it was out of the goodness of his heart.
4:05 Heroism ≠ Working in your own interests
6:20 Humor ≠ He's not a villain, Toriyama writing had a LOT of funny moments for villains or antagonists
1. I agree, he definitely didn’t do it out of any want to save the anybody or anything, and intent matters very much when we’re having a conversation like this
2. Also agree, dragon ball was a comedic manga before it was a super battle heavy one, and those elements have been present through the entire show
In the tournament of power, he said something in his mind about “controlling the gods.” Maybe he has a bigger plan and will need the saiyans because they are mortals as well.
Maybe they'll finally flush out the planet Sadala Arch, and Frieza will convince Goku and Vegeta this war between mortals and gods has to happen for the good of the universe and to show them they're not play things for their entertainment like the tournament of power.
I think yeah, eventually he wants to beat Beerus. Aside from Goku and Trunks, Beerus is the only other person who has shown him MAD disrespect (and for much longer too) he is probably keeping Goku around as a sort-of frenemy training partner, to eventually (he hopes) reach a point where he can make Beerus his bitch.
In TOP Whis heavily insinuates to Beerus that if given a Super Shenron wish, Frieza would most likely wish to become the most powerful God.
@@shirohebie To be honest it's hard to take the idea of something surpassing the gods as something serious because I'm tired of charactes in DBS having hints of being stronger than the gods of destruction and then the next arc berus revealed that he's still the strongest character. so I'm not sure how Firza would suddenly surpass berus and I'm suppose to believe that it's not going to be retcon as berus is still stronger overall
@@eduardopantoja9115 I'm not saying that I believe he WILL surpass Beerus, just that he hopes to. Beerus is a moving goal-post. Only way for Frieza to realistically surpass him is by Super Shenron wish.
We already know Frieza's goal is to overtake Zeno and the Angels. Petty squabbles are now beneath him. We learned of this objective during the ToP. It's quite clear that he's no longer going to be playing a major antagonist role until some late stage of the story.
i don't think it's possible for anyone to become stronger than the angels, the maximum he can arrive to is the god of distruction level
@@chiefff18 you underestimating the mortals, Goku just fought jiren who is stronger than a god of destruction so wym by that by the time they even witness black Frieza they are way beyond and stronger than what Goku was during TOP
@@chiefff18 don’t underestimate the mortals from that verse, Frieza might have no limit like saitama and has high training potential where as he can keep training and getting stronger if Goku and vegeta can do it and the z fighters then Frieza should have 0 problem with this, and knowing he is going for those position of power versus an Angel/G.O.D he will be training hard he has witness battles with Beerus and whis
@@IntenseEffectDripVegetaXV2 man, at this point Goku and Vegeta aren't on Beerus level
While Black Freezer is much stronger than them, he might have reached Beerus (i'm not even sure), but Whis it's just impossible to reach, and so all the angels.
Narratively the angels are above everything else and they don't even care, Merus was deleted for being too involved
Frieza may not be overly fond of them ruling over him (then again who should be? They're mostly terrible at their jobs) but he doesn't want to overtake them. He said himself he has no interest in godhood or immortality because of his experience in Hell. His goal also isn't to kill Goku and Vegeta because he could've done so but chose not to. I think his only goal at this point is not to end up back in Hell which means he has to change as a person. Think about it, by staying mortal he knows he will die someday and he's determined to avoid Hell. So what else does this leave for him?
King Cold: Freeza you were supposed to destroy the monkeys, not join them
I do have to agree, I think Frieza WON'T be a villain.
Just flexing his strength, to rule everything.
He won't SAVE people, unless it's to showcase his skills.
Possibly even STEALING kills from them, cause that would be so frieza.
Goku and Vegeta about to beat a villain, only for him to pop in and kill them instantly.
Maybe even SHOCK the group by stealing the Dragon Balls again, and making a wish after beating them again. That wish?.... To REVIVE the saiyan race.
Since THAT would be the one thing they wouldn't expect.
"I don't fear you puny monkeys, so you can have your race back. I could easily kill them again in an instant. So DON'T stop me or my empire from expanding, or I won't show you mercy"
Would be insane but... I wouldn't mind
Ngl, in any other scenario, resurrecting the Saiyans would be such a crap move, but if Freeza actually beat Goku and Vegeta to get the dragon balls and then did this as a flex that would do pretty hard.
Would be a good reminder to Goku and Vegeta that there's nothing stopping people weaker than them from getting stronger and surpassing them, but is actually pretty in-character for current Freeza. He's already going toe to toe with what he originally feared the Saiyans for, and ressurecting the Saiyans kind of helps with the stalemate situation he's in.
@@electrobob992 Just an antagonist, not a villain. I agree.
this right here would make toriyama proud
Imagine Frieza using the Super Dragon Balls to bring back ALL of his victims. It's the ultimate redemption and now he avoids the fate he fears most which is ending up back in Hell.
Frieza’s character development reminds me of glados from portal 2 or evil Morty from Rick and Morty. I think he spared them because it’s not worth it. He’d win the battle but inevitably lose the war like he always does. And even if he did kill Goku and all the saiyans, what does that gain him? One measly planet. It’s not like they’re actively trying to stop his plans unless he goes for earth or Namek. Frieza’s main goal is galactic conquest he can do that much easier by just giving up on Earth and Namek. Honestly I think he already had this attitude in the Broly movie. The problem was that Paragas essentially gave Frieza a kill Goku button and he was like well if it’s there I might as well press it.
2:20 my ears
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Disliked this video for that.
I think as long as Freiza's role isn't tested, he'll be perfectly fine with them existing. It's the same reason why he didn't mind having Vegeta, Napa and Raditz working beneath him for 20+ years, despite him taking out the entire race because those Saiyans were the ones who could have tested his position in the universe
Because as far as he knew a Saiyan couldn't ever come close to his power
@@majora919 if he believed that then he wouldn’t of destroyed planet vegeta.
@@slamyourheadin9449 he did that because Beerus told him so
@@majora919 that's a recton
Honestly I see Freiza just being a chaotic character from now on.
If Goku and Vegeta leave to go adventure the universes, I can see Freiza following so he can fight and maybe conquer more. He definitely has a thirst for conquest still and now enjoys it like a game rather than just business thanks to Goku and Vegeta. He doesn’t want to kill them, but still definitely enjoys pushing buttons and implementing risks. He’ll want to conquest so he can keep playing the game as he likes to. This can also be a potential segway into Cooler, who could in super canon have been training in other universes after losing to Freiza when they were younger and thus unlocking his fifth form.
Freiza could be nice segway into other things and serve all kinds of purposes now.
10/10 video. Been searching for a video like this for ages about Frieza. And yeah, I agree with you, Frieza's character development in Super was one of my fav aspects of it, he's still pure evil, but much more refined, calculating and scheming, which is much more dangerous. Also, I do think that Frieza should remain a permanent fixture in DB in some way or another, and him becoming the next GoD would solve a lot of issues, since it's been a plot point since the beginning of Super (finding the next GoD), and it would also guarantee Frieza stays on. It would also be absolutely hilarious seeing Goku and Vegeta interact and working with Frieza as their GoD on a regular basis.
I understand his Sorry ass Bro frieza STILL owes me money Bro imma Slide
@@CaptainBudak would you like chicken or steak to be served at your funeral sir?
@ honestly chicken you know how we do 🫵🏾🕵🏾♂️
Take him to small claims court
@ and look like DRAKE nah
I have always thought that Frieza trained for this long specifically to kill Beerus and take his place. He’s the only one above him and the only one to threaten his reign as emperor of the universe. He’s already so far above Goku and Vegeta it wouldn’t make sense if that was just his goal.
He wants to surpass The Omni King, Lord Zeno, Emperor and King of The Multiverse and take his place
I seriously have no idea how they're going to catchup this far, if his rate of growth is linear there's actually no way. Plus his new tech when it comes to how he uses his chi being something this crazy according to Vegeta only makes me doubt it, but after all it's dragon ball so I'm never going to be surprised
They are setting up broly and Gohan for something
@@stonalisa3729 Brohan incoming (Beast form fused with Legendary Form)
@@lancetheking7524 brohan the legendary beast (or, since it seems like green hair is now called wrathful ssj rather than legendary, brohan the wrathful beast)
@@stonalisa3729they’re probably gonna carry the next arc while goku and vegeta either train or get put out of commission
The nepo baby getting the job in the end, over the ones really working for it and overcoming the odds, is a very depressing story
@@Dragoon778 true
True
Glad that you liked my Granola Saga poster and put in your video.
6:56 and 8:24.
the other thing too is it was mentioned that the last arc which is the next arc is called the black frieza arc so thats why people are saying frieza is the final villain
With Frieza being aware or other universes, I can't see him being satisfied with being emperor of just one.
Goku, Vegeta and the Z fighters " how many times do we have to keep teaching U this lesson old man?!?!?!?"
I’m so glad somebody finally realized this
Freeza might have saved one universe during the tournament but he was actually partially responsible for the destruction of seven other universes.
I think frieza is gonna be a anti-villain
TFs an antivillain😂
@kamdeoray3573 Someone who doesn't directly oppose the protagonist but still does things that seem villain-ish; like slavery, murder, conquering, etc.
@@kamdeoray3573 Maybe use Google, or some other search engine. I don't understand why people say this. LOOK IT UP.
@@kamdeoray3573 An antihero is a hero who is capable of morally questionable things. An anti villain is an evil person who is capable of doing some morally sound things.
Well said. Deadpool is an anti-hero. Who blow away the bad guy in a second. Something Batman or Superman heroes wouldn't.
My best example of a antihero is negan from walking dead. He'll smashing grown upside with a baseball bat, but he has rules like he never hurt a kid. And PROTECT women from ....dangerous situations I'll say.
Something that your typical villain like, let's say the joker or evil boo would not do
Am I the only one that looks at Frieza Now as like the Aizen of dragon ball post rof? Like even if he wasn’t on screen he stole the energy of the screen and now the whole black Frieza thing. I don’t know… Frieza just has felt so different in that second resurrection. So calculated, like he went from that person who would stand on the sideline to him standing on business even if it’s a background entity. Like the entire Granolah arc, I haven’t felt that tense reading his name since namek.
Yup 👍
Friezas end spot is likely going to be god of destruction frieza which would likely be a movie ending with vegeta taking him out
2:19 you broke my ears xD
I don't really like the idea of Frieza not being a villain. I'd prefer if he remains the antagonist and maybe even ends up being the ultimate big bad of all of Dragon Ball
5:56 i really hope that training partner ends up being cooler cause that would be an easy way to introduce him into the main storyline
Friezas character development is somewhat similar to piccolos
In piccolo's case gohan served as a catalyst
In frieza's case it may be the saiyans or maybe something to give a final push
I love how disrespectful freezer is his love for the game is immeasurable, bro for real had to come back just to flex on them and show them how little an insignificant they are not even a blip on his radar. He’s in his own lane chasing the bag.
Just started the video not watched it yet but I agree already. Its so obvious, Frieza was cooperative end of tournament of power, he spared Goku and Vegeta, and his interaction inviting forgot names to be apart of his crew, he smiled and seemed mellowed out. He trained in a hyperbolic esque time chamber.
he's not concerned about goku anymore I think he's got his sight on the gods of destruction instead.
Frieza development is the best part of super, it somehow manage to turn him into a main character without removing his most important trait that is being super evil
Frieza is still scared of Beerus...he's very calculated. he's not bold enough to be a full villain as long as Beerus exists
Hey, just had an idea 💡. Vegeta promised Whis to contend for God of destruction. What if Frieza wanted to as well. Then you get an actual god of destruction battle between Vegeta and Frieza. A battle I think the fandom would enjoy.
Facts
And only 1v1 no help
ALSO... just exactly _how many_ of Goku's friends and allies at one point seriously fought with Goku to _kill_ him as their own goals.
Is frieza really a villain anymore we can say he’s saved our universe and he let goku and vegeta live if he was the old frieza he’d kill them with no regard
Killing them was pointless, Frieza knew Whis would just revive them since they are buddy buddy with him and Frieza himself was revived by Whis. I think his goal is to find a way to get rid of the Gods so he can do what he wants, after 10 years he got over his need to kill Goku and Vegeta, he just wants ti be the strongest which he is now but as long as there are the gods he knows he will never truly be free
@ no lol none of what you said is gonna happen or makes sense kill the saiyans would not be pointless cause that would remove the ones that truly stand in your way
@ZayDeyknow whis would just revive them a second later they were killed like he did with monaito, frieza knows it since he too was revived by whis, that's why killing them was pointless, have you even read all of my comment or just the first sentence?
@@ZayDeyknow he is, Frieza has never changes his methods even after the ToP, you can see that in the Broly movie.
@@bloody4558 i mean in that movie he also learns of fusion so frieza still wants to get stronger than that
It seems like alot of the stuff in DBS that was bad id getting fixed in Daima. Everything looks amazing and well thought out.
Give examples
@Profitin The animations as good as the Broly movie/ we get full explanations, even a book and where not even that far in. They explained more than super did in its whole run in 4 episodes. The chorography is methodical and reminds me of the 90's when they took their time.
You could say he's flexing, and he is, but I really think Frieza sparing Goku and Vegeta is more than just being smug and asserting his dominance. He knows what those two are about. He knows damn well he just motivated them to exceed him in strength.
The two saiyans are the closest things Frieza has to friends and I think there is a timeline where this concept evolves
Frieza will be that one rival that just disappears for arcs and then appear to whoop the mcs ass
Great video dude! I agree with your points and analysis. I can't wait for Super Chapters to start back up.
So basically Frieza has transcended the good guy vs bad guy dichotomy.
Yup
I bet he will be the replacement for Beerus as the new God of Destruction. It's not evil, it's balance, and Freiza has learned this path slowly over his time in the series
The only way forward I imagine for Freeza as an antagonist is usurping the Gods of Destruction themselves, but the problem is that's a bit too similar to what Zamasu did
THANK YOU, someone finally talks about how much frieza has changed.
his dialogue in the broly movie was such blatant confirmation of this.
the fact that he was getting excited about making broly his enemy and saying that he's counting on broly becoming the most powerful warrior once broly trains his mind is so completely different from how he was in namek.
hell, he even smiled when he was seemingly about to die against broly in the movie right before gogeta intercepted
It is completely impossible, and no one would ever consider this, but imaging them defeating black frieza with ssj4 gogeta. I wanna see ssj4 GOGETA!!!
Crazy to realize that frieza knows about moro and the prison. He knows a lot of information about the universe. I think alot of people are curious on the universe’s that got deleted since their are some missing
I also see it as Frieza mocking Goku when he spares him, as Goku done the same back in namek.
I Can Be Good, I Can Be Bad.
Nah, Frieza would be bored without Goku/Vegeta.
Ive abandoned your channel, im glad this got my interest fr
When i first heard of black Frieza i thought it was a fan edit. Watching the little Manga clips you provided made it seem like I watched it on TV.
I can see frieza defeating beerus and taking over as god of destruction, specifically using that position to obtain the super dragon balls to depose Zeno
Frieza has always been one of my favorite characters of all time. He has immaculate vocabulary, is cunning and calculating, and is inherently powerful and regal.
Personally, I think it'd be super fucking cool to have Vegeta be the new God of Destruction, and therefore be able to perpetually be able to keep Frieza in check, which is a WAY bigger win than just outright killing him. Now FRIEZA will have to listen to VEGETA, who deserves that win. The irony would be PERFECT, and we all know that Vegeta is actually the true King of the Sayians.
What's cool about Frieza is that he is learning. he knows now not to just come at the Sayians outright, and is plotting and prepping in the background.
I hope the Syian's tails come back
Facts 💯
Loki got trapped in a falling animation for 30 minutes, Frieza got the beating his daddy never had for 30 minutes.
HOLY SHIT G.O.D. FREZIA ACTUALLY FITS HIS CHARACTER SO MUCH AND POSES SUCH A UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN HIM AND THE THE TWO MCS
Idk, this would mean ignoring a plot point that's been developing since the start of super, Frieza will certainly still be a villian
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i genuinely feared Black Frieza… until we got Beast Gohan
Frieza solos them all even if they fuse
Imagine if Freeza becomes the next God of Destruction and Beerus retires or something.
9:56 GAROU!?!1
@@thisisnotahandle1337 THE SONG >>>>>>>>>
He became a comedy relief character in super, it’s not even the same character at all anymore. 🙃
He became comedy relief after Trunks killed him. Frieza is not interesting as a villain anymore.
@@figlego I agree. I think trunks defeating him did not age well, simply because we have a list of shonen villains getting wasted today, and if you look back at it all. IT STARTED WITH FRIEZA. 😂
2 possible goals for freiza
1.He wants to become the god of destruction of the universe as it'll give him full control to manage his business
2.He would form alliances with the other top 4 strongest charectors in the multiverse and would want to overthrow the gods
3.Acquire the superdragon balls to give him authority to rule the multiverses
good video, love your input just please lower the sound effect volumes to match the volume of your voice
I like this is idea I just can't see Vageta letting Freeza make it. If they don't do "something" with that conflict I'd be disappointed.
Its quite possible he'll get the Trunks experience again and job to some new arrival who then warns of an even greater threat. I hope not since that's be some real disrespect on Frieza's rep having that happen to him twice, but it is still possible. I'm just hoping that Frieza make a play for far bigger gains, either going for multiversal domination, of if he's particularly insane, gunning for Zeno's throne (Though ain't any way he's getting past Grand PRiest unless the dude lets him.)
True frieza became more mature and clever
Frieza is so awesome. I love that he has plans outside of earth and settling the score with Goku. I love that he isn't taking any shortcuts and actually puts in the work. I love how he actual develops and learns.
This racist ass albino lizard is so cool.
An awesome video! I agree with you 💯. I think Frieza might be offered a universe to be a god of destruction over.
Peak video bro!
Frieza has to be aware that when he dies from old age he will go back to Hell, now im not saying he's going to do a heelturn and become a good guy, but he has to be taking some kind of steps to avoid that fate.
Frieza can easily wish for Eternal Youth so…
It's like playing ball at the park, or in high school you had a rival, and you hated each other but loved playing against each other, and it wasn't fun beating up on some scrubs. The feeling of knowing you sent him home with an L was more gratifying than dropping 40 on some no-name school with JV-level talent, and it built mutual respect for one another and respect for the game.
he will be the ultimate villains. his goal is to surpass the zenos
vegeta + goku were pretty exhausted from fighting before freiza whooped them I don't think he's that much stronger than them
@@mikecurtis1680 they had been healed fully prior to frieza showing up by the old namekian
The fact that Frieza never saw Vegeta's new transformation before and wasn't bothered by it showed he knew he had outclassed the Saiyans. 😅
I was skeptical about reading the title but this was solid...
But I do think he'll eventually become the main villain again but it would make sense why he wouldn't right now.
I classify Frieza as a Martial artist now he understood what time and dedication can get him. He basically showcased his new power to Goku and Vegeta saying catch up he coulda easily wiped them out
It really in interesting to speculate on this… he’s honestly gone through a lot of development at this point and which the 10 years he spent training, he had a lot of time to really self-reflect…
I’ve gotta say… I’m deeply curious where his head is at lol.
I feel like Frieza will eventually become the antagonist again, but only as the final main antagonist or second to last main antagonist with him since both Goku & Vegeta have to settle score with Freiza and vice versa. It'll likely end up with him being the final antagonist before Beerus. With 10 ten year strong Frieza, there's plenty of arcs that be put between these two before the beef between the saiyans and their evil rival can be put to rest
The best part of Dragon Ball (The Z portion of the anime) is so beloved in large part because of RIVALS. The idea's introduced all the way back in the first few arcs with Yamcha and then Krillin and then Tenshinhan, but it's not until Piccolo that we really get an uneasy alliance that could go either way. Once Piccolo's arc finishes, the conflict that comes from working with Vegeta drives both the Frieza and Cell arcs, and once that conflict is concluded (and poorly resurrected for Buu), DB loses it's luster. Frieza is a big part of why the ToP worked, and the series NEEDS a wildcard in the group to keep things from turning into the Power Rangers.
They also keep trying to go back to that initial concept of Kaio Ken, a short burst of tremendous power that's dangerous to use. First it was Super Saiyan Blue and then they mastered it, then it was UI and Goku mastered it, but those arcs were also essentially ABOUT mastering the forms, they were never meant to serve as a Kaio-Ken-esque form long term. I kind of think Black Frieza is them giving it another shot, and since Frieza is a secondary character, he doesn't have to have the same power escalation as the two leads.
I dont know why certain people are ao upset with how easy it is for Frieza to increase his power. To me it fits perfectly with his DBZ character. It always intuitively made sense that Frieza was some type of super prodigy, someone who never put anywhere near the effort into training as a Goku or Vegeta but still got so strong so fast at a young age that no one ever came close to challenging him so he never really bothered pushing himself sinply because he never needed to.
I really like the direction of his character.
Frieza….having character…..DEVELOPMENT!???!?
Honestly Frizea's development might be one of the most compelling aspects about super. I do hope he doesn't come back to a main villain role at least in the near future, he's a way less interesting character when acting as a full out villain nowadays. Going in a more calculated direction that shows his development and trying to reach for Godhood status is an idea I like for his character and think fits well with everything we know about him.
Canon wise I think it also makes sense that he wouldn't really try to destroy Earth, at least for now. Beerus and Whis love earth's food, and have shown that they really don't want it destroyed, and even black Frieza is unlikely to try his chances vs them rn. If he becomes the God of Destruction for Universe 7, perhaps a different story.
I wish Black Frieda had actual differences in his design instead of just a recolor
Since they don't have to change the mold for the toys, Banday and Toei will make even more money
Love that frieza will torture,genocide,and delete planets but draws the line at destroying a whole universe
I'm surprised at the little mention of Broly. I think Broly will continue to play a pivotal role in Freeza's motivation for whatever he's got planned. He stated at the end of the Broly film that he was going to wait until Broly got a better handle of his strength before coming back for him, which we now see has happened in the last manga chapter we read before Toyotaro went on break.
I believe he will go after Broly once more, which will prompt another encounter with the heroes and Freeza assuming the role of antagonist for how the future of the universe will be shaped.
Black Freeza was the resurgance of Freeza status in the pecking order since his terrifying clash with the Z-Fighters back on Namek. Albeit the same sociopathic dictator, this Freeza is more calm, cunning, and knows how to how keep the ball rolling.
Heck, thanks to Goku's influence he finds joy in getting stronger and spared the 2 Saiyan rivals not out of arrogance but necessity. The reality is, Freeza has bigger plans for the entire multiverse and might require the Saiyans "help" for whatever motives he's cooking behind the scenes.
6:38 ahh yes its a big universe.
all 28 planets- wait earth is not an option.
27- wait new namek is not an option.
26- wait the planet moro attacks isnt an option.
25- wait cereal isnt an option.
24- wait vampa isnt an option.
23- wait im sure we have conquered one planet at least. so thats not an option.
22- wait didnt moro eat like 3 planets?
all other 19 planets are waiting for us! guess we can try and take over freaking yardrat if thats even worth any money.
(ill never let them live the "28 planets" line down)