Note: "Outnumbered" will proc even if the greens are 1 more than the reds, as the player's ship is not counted and it procs when equal. Not all that hard to activate in rendoms either, especially if you have long range guns. Ofc it is easier yet in small scale battles.
T10's (special ships) don't get the credit multiplier but they do earn more credits than tech tree ships because they come standard with a bonus package which does make a big difference.
Credit system is atrocious, besides repair costs, anytime a captain doesn't use her AA and has purchased AA signals, they need to be refunded the 96,000 credits. Too too too many times purchasing signals for a cv or in any situation anti air is literally 1 in 10 matches some times worse. 960,000 credits deleted when there should be some balance of refund.
Potato I literally bought the Forrest Sherman literally 5 minutes ago, I was tossing up between moskava and Sherman, you’re killing me here PQ. I’m not a destroyer player god help me
If you haven’t played a game with it, you can submit a request to roll back you account and refund the ship. I didn’t like the Sherman, Moskva is much better imo
The Sherman is amazing, you can kinda see it as a very light cruiser with crazy dpm, the torps are good but really situational, it isnt the fastest but can still dodge decent enough, i personally really like it
First thing to get your head around with the FS is that it's not a DD, it's a CL with out a cit. Play it like a CL and it is amazing, when I was doing dockyard missions for main battery hits with DDs, the FS knocked it out super fast.
Sherman is a dpm ship through and through, very reliant on teammates and external spotting if you're the lone dd on the flank. Detectability makes it hard to contest caps just like the other gunboats, but you have a hydro so you can try yoloing the enemy dd if the map permits, however that will waste your dpm and ability to hold off enemy bb pushes. Handling is clunky at best and torps are very hard to utilise but have decent damage. If you have div mates who can bring radar ships and support you on caps, Sherman's value goes through the roof, especially if you can take out a torp threat like shima/gearing. Definitely a funboat but hard to make the best of it. I'm a 48% wr so make what you will of this info.
I'm soooo lucky that i got the Napoli from a Supercontainer that I accidentally opened because I remembered i wanted to claim my rewards from the battle pass at the time and I pressed the containers tab and I said "you know what, Im feeling lucky today" and claimed one of those "luck based containers" and to my suprise a Napoli poped up. Having fun playing with the shio ever since.
Congrats then! I bought my Napoli for coal, but first i went for Forrest Sherman and i do not regret taking a DD first. In case of containers...im feeling literally fcked by RNG, I won Scarlet Thunder (basically a worse Duncan at tier IX), was hoping for Karl XIV Johan. Ok then, Karl is now obtainable in exchange mode, BUT I cant choose any high tier prem, in my case Id just get rid of ST but no, there are only plenty of ships that are accepted for trade and I'm not willing to give up any other ship than Marco Polo and Orkan for Karl, what upsets me is that I cant change BOTH, its only ship for ship, wich still doesnt make me able to sacrifice any tier X ship. So basically even after giving up Marco Polo im still lacking dubloons :/ I know that nobody cares, sorry im on speed :P
#1 is so locked that I can't think of any content creator ever putting anything else there since it was added. That makes the real competition for #2 and below.
I honestly don't get the comparison between Moskva and Petro. I love them both but they couldn't be more different. Petro has to get in close - I do not have the unique upgrade yet - whereas Moskva can hit the balls on a mosquito at 20 kms. Stalingrad is a steel ship so much harder to get but yeah, she has insane AP but easily loses the HE dpm to Moskva. So to me at least, Moskva is still very much a relevant ship.
If you really want to use Petro at range, then just use range mod. improves the accuracy (and the really good dispersion window gets bumped from 12km to around 13.5-14), and you're not sacrificing your consumables. use HAP and you basically have free petro legmod ( i have it, and i'm trying to get wg to refund it)
he has a straight up dogwater take on Moskva, it does play completely differently than any of the tech tree ones, I am confident in out tanking a Petro in a moskva, plus if you dont play it like a complete muppet you never eat citadels
My first ever coal ship was Marblehead. It took me a long time to figure out how it worked, and now I have a 21 point commander on it. If you play it right, at tier, this ship can be a holy terror.
Thanks a bunch for your excelent video and review of these ships. I just picked up Yoshino because of your recomendation and i am having a blast in it. Realy happy with it. Much appreciated :D
Putting Moskva in 5th place should be considered criminal.. I'd argue that its literally the best coal cruiser (if not the best coal ship) for anyone with decent experience in WoWs; Its always viable in comp, extremely effective and tanky in kite but punishes mistakes heavily. However due to utility, fast shells, 50mm deck+sides and great kite angles, its one of the best T10 cruisers. Its not easy to play, especially not if you want to play it correctly (Dont play it like a DM unless you really struggle with kiting or misstimed your turn early game) but its extremely rewarding if you play it correctly. Napoli may be better for less experienced players, however its far worse for randoms (if you want to solo-carry or play in a div and have impact) and often restricted in CBs (Even if it isnt, you need to be far more competent to play it & San Martin hardcounters it if kited. Yoshino is a useless afk permakiter that doesnt do anything particularely well (Al. Nevsky, Conde/Henri, Hinden/Clause are all far better. Even Mosvka is better in kite). While sure, you will get decent average, your impact on the game is usually not going to be high, especially compared to any utility/fast cruiser (Just play Conde, Clause, Nevsky, Moskva etc.) Brisbane really isnt that good outside of comp (if nevsky is banned and or dm is restricted).. Its only upside is the 12km radar and HE, however there are ships that are just far better for that purpose; Moskva, Nevksy, DM etc. Since its nerfed Mino-Reload the DPM really isnt worth it and while fires can deal a lot of damage, its really insignificant in current WoWs, as the fire resistence of BBs has increased by a lot making most of the newer ships basically unkillable with HE (unless they missplay it heavily ofc, therefore Radar Mino is usually going to be the better option.. Even though Salem is my favourite (and most played) ship, its by no means as good as Moskva (its better than Napoli for solo-carry potential if you play it extremely well [randoms]), it is however better than both Brisbane and Yoshino by far. The only reason people seem to see it as weak, is due to them not being able to play it properly and get into the wrong positions rendering the radar essentially useless. Its extremly good if you know how to play it and depending on how much you do so, it may be better than Napoli, however I do agree that for newer players, Napoli is the better choice. And if you want to play CBS, then take napoli aswell. I agree with the T9 in terms of their ranking, since they are either considered as an insult in ship-form or just worse than the T10. My list would probably be; 1 - Moskva (Its just the best coal cruiser; Best for randoms & Cbs) 2 - Napoli / Salem [Strength(Randoms: Salem, CBS: Napoli) Ease of use: Napoli] (Depends on how good you are at the game/What you use it for) 3 - Salem / Napoli [Same as above] (Depends on how good you are at the game/What you use it for) 4 - Yoshino ( Decent kiter but useless at anything else) 5 - Brisbane (Radar mino is better) 6 - Azuma (Just a worse yoshino) 7 - Ägir (Alaska & Riga exist, so dont buy it) 8 - Tulsa (dont buy it, get a dm or salem) 9 - Carnot (dont buy it, get a henri or any other permakiter)
Literally everything he says bad about Moskva is even worse with Yoshino. It's a floating citadel that gets overmatched even worse, has a longer reload, handles just as bad, and yet has no utility like Moskva. Man has some dented takes
Napoli is #1, shock. But I have to say, I'll still take Moskva at #2, hands down, especially with the UU. The only exception might be if you don't have the DM (which is better), then maybe Salem. When playing CB, I'm pretty confident when I see a Yoshi on the opposing team; it usually means a win.
The problem with moskwa is that at this point it's worse than both tech tree counterparts Newski is a better HE spammer and can kite better because of conceal and overall size and maneuverability. Petro is better at everything else
@@MK-wx5vubut why compare it to tech tree line tho when you rank it based on other coal ship still dm is better than salem but put salem over moskva ?
@@MK-wx5vu No Petro is not better in everything else. Petro is just better in tankiness (especially if someone is shooting at you from the side and you are not angled properly) and AP demage and pen. But its not better in HE spam and also has way shorter radar duration. Moskva radar is really big problem for dds not so much petro radar. Dispersion is much better on Moskva (even better with legmod) for shooting DDs. Moskva can tank +- like petro when bow tanking and also can HE spam and kill dds like Nevsky (nevsky has better HE DPM but moskva better pen over 32mm).
@@adiyatmamajid844 i didn't really compare it to the coleships in terms of strength. I just meant that it's not really worth picking up because of the tech tree even though it's quite a strong ship (which is the same reason why salem isnt really worth imo, its a dm with worse radar)
@@vitezslavlorenc3479 i wrote "petro is better at everything else" (read pls) meaning everything apart from kiting and HE spam, because thats nevskis strong point. Yes moskwa has a better radar because of the duration but moskva generally doesnt play as close to caps/enemy dds because of armour and conceal. I find it difficult to sit nose in with moskwa because its so huge and it gets eaten alive by overmatch. Don't get me wrong i like moskwa and it's a good alrounder but for me ap is often a bit weak and if i want to spam HE i play nevski. I often find mzself having a better time with petro and nevski
31:37 Bite your tongue! The Napoli does NOT need a nerf. I played it for the first time and ended up running it for several hours. A very fun ship. Not everyone is a super player like PQ! Besides, the torps are super slow and the damage seems weak to me. And the smoke doesn’t seem to work, either. Not sure what mechanic I’m missing there, maybe just too close to the action… Another thing is when I’m chasing a cv the he just breaks on the flattop. I have to aim off so the shells hit the side, which isn’t easy with the shells plunging downwards.
Personally, I'd take the Moskva for the looks alone. But with that in mind, she's way overdue for some minor buffs, or better yet, nerfs to her counterpart(s)
When I started playing 2 years ago I spent a lot of time grinding tech trees to unlock Des Moines and Marseille, and then picked up the Napoli with the coal I got while I was grinding. Using those three got me through a few Clan Battle seasons. I went through to Petro and the Russian Light Cruiser (forget the name) as well as the Dutch tier 10 and then picked up Brisbane as my third coal ship (I got Marceau for when my Clan needed a Destroyer player) since I already have a Petro and Des Moines so I didn't want the Moskva or Salem. I am planning the Azuma or Agir next so I have a credit farmer.
Now PQ, what would your choice look like if a) you didn't have a premium account and b) you had (at best) a tier 10 captain? This list would be VERY different especially with regard to the Standard Account economy. In the circumstances I've outlined, any (ALL?) of the above would actually cost you credits to play, no matter how well you performed....
I mostly agree with your list, except for the Brisbane in number 3 because it is so squishy. Only people that do well in a radar Mino ( which is not many) will do well in this ship. I don´t play radar Mino well, so for me it´s on my ¨not to get list.¨
17:38 Moskva is very fire-resistant, despite the mega HP pool, but the burning time is based on the caliber (any ship has main caliber smaller than 283mm has cruiser burning time) so Moskva no need to worry much about HE spamming ships, unlike Stalingrad (Stalingrad gets murdered easily with fires while Moskva not). Anyways, I have Moskva and it's super fun with the good armor, unless I get nuked when sailing broadside. Also, I very surprised to see Napoli as top 1 and I agree with you PQ, Napoli is most fun when yolo rush to any BB and murder DDs. Keep up the great content, PQ!
My first was the Moskva, and i really like it. It has really great range and accurate (like u sayed) and the 12 k radar last so long. Its easy to hit dd because the bullets are so damn fast
yeh spot on for number 1 Im not the best cruiser player but just got this and its amazing and its not even Russian brilliant for lone Yamato s push in smoke up and kite fireing HE for fires while sap secondary s melt them
I've been a big fan for awhile. I FINALLY subscribed... Anyway I've been around this game since the beginning, but I haven't played the game like most of the rest of you. There's other games I like to play to, so the ONLY line I've gone through is the Japanese BB line. So I have the Satsuma...:) Anyway I currently have your number 1 through 7, with the Brisbane being my newest addition. So when it comes to coal ships I'm getting to the point where I'm having an issue on what to get. The only coal BB left for me is the GK. Everyone is saying NOT to get her. U-4501... I like subs, but boy it's hard to play them anymore. Have the Malta. So it's down to the DD's. This is where I really need help. It doesn't help I'm a marginal DD player...
I did not expect Yoshino at 2nd place. I really like the ship but I don't know if I would even put it at number 2 myself. An absolute W for the Yoshino here
Currently in tier IX brawls 90% of the players are using Agir. I am using Tianjin and its dispersion is insanely fantastic at range, especially with that super spotter plane. I would love to see your review of the Tianjin.
I love the Yoshino. I find myself getting hits with the torps a lot. Last match I played in it I dev struck a Hindenburg at around the 18km mark with the torps like 5 minutes after I shot them. I have a Yoshino video on my channel where I got like 8 torp hits and a few kills with them.
I think slapping a MBRB on the Carnot would make her a pretty decent choice. I also wouldn't recommend her to newbies who have a lot of choices but I actually perform pretty decent in this ship. It only needs a couple of buffs to make it viable on 2024. The MBRB is the perfect buff for it imo. After the release of Brennus, this will be even more obsolete (Yes I know Brennus is T10 but still, high tier premium french cruiser). The most obvious and objective choice is definitely the Napoli for most although I personally dislike her due to anemic main guns. To me the first choice is Brisbane hands down. Then Yoshino. If you play the Yoshino well and utilize that AP on broadsides instead of brainless HE kite all the time, she is a pretty decent ship. The third would be the Moskva simply due to utility she brings into the match. I don't have fun playing a Moskva ever though lol.
I bought the Moskva a few months ago as my first purchased coal ship, and I love it. My son bought the Salem and he gets cranky every time I mention that he should have bought the Moskva. Especially when I let him play my account for a few battles. I've heard PQ's comparison of the Petro being better than the Moskva more than once and I don't agree. Then again there are some ships that just don't sit well with some people. Maybe Moskva is PQ's.... IDK. Moskva is a great ship and I have no regrets.
I just picked up Napoli last week. Haven't taken her out yet but looking forward to it. Tier 10 play can be so . . . suffocating sometimes that I tend to play only T7-T9 but at T9 I often get the brutal matchmaking with superships so . . . Might as well play T10 and be well armed when I do.
Already got the Moskva and Yoshino. Both ships I have been playing with a lot of joy. I am having currently enough coal to think about adding a new one. So your opinion/rated is going to get important from my end
When deciding to spend an earned resource like Coal I think about the comparison to Tech Tree ships I can grind. None of the T9 Coal CAs are frightening to a Riga and none of the T10 ships are frightening to a Petro (even Napoli). Are the better Coal values in the DDs?
There are 5 coal ships everyone should get first: The first three are strong enough to be T11 ships 1. Marceau 2. Sherman (basically a SAP and HE 3. Napoli 4. Kearsage - easiest credit farming ship there is if you don’t have the credit farming version of Missouri. 12 North Carolina guns and attack planes for spotting and chunking DDs as well as lighting perma fires. Also it has ridiculously good firing angles. It’s cursed. It’s overpowered. It should’ve never been made. Use it. 5. Okt. Revolutsiya for T5 ranked.
I'm new to the game, and my first coal cruiser was Napoli. I'm finding it extremely hard to make it work in Randoms. But, I must stress I'm new xD I've got 1000 battles. I don't even have a real T10. I recently just unlocked T9s. I picked Napoli cause I liked how the ship looked and I watched a video of Jingles one time where he showed 3 random Napolis making a platoon and doing smoke train secondary memes. But in Randoms, I'm barely doing my ship's HP in damage. I just can't seem to get it. I got better results in my Riga. I can see the potential, I just can't seem to exploit it.
@@janboen3630 yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm playing my few premiums (I got an Atago as a present and a Littorio for 8 bucks xD). I need credits to buy my Petro and Yamato, and I'm also slowly learning the game xD
No, No, No PQ you're mistaken, you see, Napoli only can get a maximum secondary range of only 11 km while Schlieffen can get a maximum range of 12.5 km and the upcoming Libertad with combat instructions can get a maximum range of 15 km. So actually Napoli needs a buff
Moskva is actually one of the best coal cruisers, its pretty tanky enough for me. Despite having the same guns as petro, Im very comfortable with the reload on this. Azuma on the other hand is actually a fun ship, consistent, though a downgrade version of yoshino. the guns are consistent out of the battlecruiser available for coal
Agincourt has best secondaries in the game 😛One can easily solo the DD and torpenhymerboots in Utah. 14 main guns with what has to be the most random dispersion in the game are often more like fireworks but just watch the secondaries melt anything within range.
i would really like if you did it with research bureau for sebastopol, the agir with 380, T10 british cruiser... and compared them to the coal counterparts ;) To be fair. I love alaska, and love my carnot as it play kinda like but more long range and nimble. Moskva and des moines (kinda salem? lol? ) too.... But i cant see brisbane beeing good to carry a team/game like those mention before. Agir and azuma i can't see them turn the battle course. Tulsa... meh... its like congress... i don't see the point. Rather get salem ^^ Yoshino and napoli are in my visor... but to be fair that napoli is really appealing. Krondshtat is one of my most disapointing cruiser sadly. took in coal before it was gone... and ... should have gone for something else ^^' Pure shotgun. :( Now... i m looking at reaserch bureau as i have ohio and slava.... Sicilia look fun but... rn i m in a cruiser mood.
I Accidently bought the Azuma a few weeks ago, I was wanting Kearsarge but yea... >_> but, the funny thing is I got AL Azuma Commander so it work i guess?
Azuma grinds credits like almost nothing else, you sit in the back and start fires with those incredible guns and with blue bonuses, you can easily expect over 1 mil credits for per battle.
@majestichotwings6974 not before I get nuked by a 406+mm gun from 20km out. I try to move as much as I can, but get smacked by BBs behind islands or Smoke...
Any chance you could to the RB ships too? I'm coming up on getting my 5th RB ship (63k RB after one Venzia game) and I'd like to hear your input on them (I have Ohio, Illy, Siggy, and Palo)
@@jamesharrington001best choice objectively is probably vampire. I personally have ohio and Sewastopol (which I enjoy a lot). I will probably go for gibraltar next, mostly because I enjoy ap focused ships a lot, I don't really like sniping (slava) and I'm not really that big into dds
@@MK-wx5vu I'm kind of a mainline Crusier guy, I like my Siggy, but sometimes MM just doesn't let her do what she needs to do. Ohio is just mindless fun, Illiy is decent for fire starting and I kind of hate my Palo. So, I'm just really torn on what should be my next RB ship. I've also picked up the Golden Lion Leg Mod (man does that ever help that ship).
Carnot - I have it. Played it 100 times. Avoid it. Agir - I have it. Played it 275 times. Far better than Carnot. Yoshino - Just got it, so far it's been great. Solidly competitive. I also have Alaska, & Kronstadt, so a fair amount of BC XP.
every time i face against a Napoli im left raging...bc ive thrown everything including the captain at the damn ship and it just keeps tooting along....dont matter if im Yamato, Maine, Montana, Petro, Salem, Smolensk, etc....fucker wont die
Personally my list would go:(keeping in mind 9 and 8 are ships I would full out avoid, 7 is a ship I would say get if you REALLY want it, and 6+ are all ships I could recommend getting in some way.) 9: Tulsa, this is a T8 at T9. If Tulsa was a T8 she would be perfectly fine, but as a T9? Nope. 8: Carnot, if the French didn't have tech tree BCs with reload boosters and bigger better guns, I would place her higher for the novelty factor, but they have better ships in the tech tree. 7: Salem, Des Moines is simply better, that's the problem here. Salem with the reload rate of Tulsa would make a fine T9 CA, as a T10 you give up WAY to much compared to Des Moines to get a super heal you are almost never getting value out of. 6: Agir, her AP isn't bad, but you can't always just spam AP, you need to have decent HE to fall back on and she just doesn't have it. Though that said she's not a bad ship. 5: Yoshino, Azuma with torpedoes sounds great, until you realize being a T10 means worse economy and those torpedoes have really rough fire angles making them mostly worthless. They can be funny, but torpedoes are just not as reliable as main guns, and her main guns aren't that much better than Azuma's to give up the T9 economy. 4: Azuma, Yoshino but a tier lower without torpedoes. Basically better economy, chance of seeing T7s, still fully able to handle super ships. 3: Napoli, It's a cruiser that can brawl, and has fairly okay guns and armour. What's not to love? 2: Moskva, she may not be as tough as she once was due to the addition of a lot more ships that can overmatch her armour, but Battleship Moskva is still a force to be reckoned with. Basically a balance between the tech tree T10s in the Russian line. She has a good radar, good guns, and good armour. 1: Brisbane, she has great DPM and a stealth 12km radar. How this ship survived testing in this state is beyond me. Honestly if any of the coal ships right now had a chance of being removed from sale, I'd say it's Brisbane.
I'm a bit disappointed we only have a single T10 coal battleship at the moment. And its GK, not even an original coal ship. Now compare that to the steel options...
My top3 coal cruisers list:
1. Napoli
2.Napoli
3.Napoli
Thank you so much.
Note: "Outnumbered" will proc even if the greens are 1 more than the reds, as the player's ship is not counted and it procs when equal. Not all that hard to activate in rendoms either, especially if you have long range guns. Ofc it is easier yet in small scale battles.
its 8am and you upload a half hour video on coal ships? how am i expected to be on time for school
Just watch on the go😂😂
time to skip school lol joke
If it's 8am then you should've been in school for an hour already. This video won't be the reason you're late
@@MrSeanfishuhhh schools start at different times you know lol
T10's (special ships) don't get the credit multiplier but they do earn more credits than tech tree ships because they come standard with a bonus package which does make a big difference.
It's because of repair cost reduction. You can buy bonus package to any TT ship, but you cannot buy reduced repair cost.
Credit system is atrocious, besides repair costs, anytime a captain doesn't use her AA and has purchased AA signals, they need to be refunded the 96,000 credits. Too too too many times purchasing signals for a cv or in any situation anti air is literally 1 in 10 matches some times worse. 960,000 credits deleted when there should be some balance of refund.
T10 special ships got the T8 "premium" boost.
Potato I literally bought the Forrest Sherman literally 5 minutes ago, I was tossing up between moskava and Sherman, you’re killing me here PQ.
I’m not a destroyer player god help me
If you haven’t played a game with it, you can submit a request to roll back you account and refund the ship. I didn’t like the Sherman, Moskva is much better imo
The Sherman is amazing, you can kinda see it as a very light cruiser with crazy dpm, the torps are good but really situational, it isnt the fastest but can still dodge decent enough, i personally really like it
First thing to get your head around with the FS is that it's not a DD, it's a CL with out a cit. Play it like a CL and it is amazing, when I was doing dockyard missions for main battery hits with DDs, the FS knocked it out super fast.
Sherman is a dpm ship through and through, very reliant on teammates and external spotting if you're the lone dd on the flank. Detectability makes it hard to contest caps just like the other gunboats, but you have a hydro so you can try yoloing the enemy dd if the map permits, however that will waste your dpm and ability to hold off enemy bb pushes. Handling is clunky at best and torps are very hard to utilise but have decent damage. If you have div mates who can bring radar ships and support you on caps, Sherman's value goes through the roof, especially if you can take out a torp threat like shima/gearing. Definitely a funboat but hard to make the best of it. I'm a 48% wr so make what you will of this info.
Sherman can be a bit hard to learn, but (to spoil the coal dd videos a bit) Sherman is one of my favourite dds in the game.
I'm soooo lucky that i got the Napoli from a Supercontainer that I accidentally opened because I remembered i wanted to claim my rewards from the battle pass at the time and I pressed the containers tab and I said "you know what, Im feeling lucky today" and claimed one of those "luck based containers" and to my suprise a Napoli poped up. Having fun playing with the shio ever since.
Congrats then! I bought my Napoli for coal, but first i went for Forrest Sherman and i do not regret taking a DD first. In case of containers...im feeling literally fcked by RNG, I won Scarlet Thunder (basically a worse Duncan at tier IX), was hoping for Karl XIV Johan. Ok then, Karl is now obtainable in exchange mode, BUT I cant choose any high tier prem, in my case Id just get rid of ST but no, there are only plenty of ships that are accepted for trade and I'm not willing to give up any other ship than Marco Polo and Orkan for Karl, what upsets me is that I cant change BOTH, its only ship for ship, wich still doesnt make me able to sacrifice any tier X ship. So basically even after giving up Marco Polo im still lacking dubloons :/
I know that nobody cares, sorry im on speed :P
I only got a Kirov one lmao.
Things i've never heard in a WoWs game : Oh no its a Tulsa, Carnot, etc etc
#1 is so locked that I can't think of any content creator ever putting anything else there since it was added. That makes the real competition for #2 and below.
I honestly don't get the comparison between Moskva and Petro. I love them both but they couldn't be more different. Petro has to get in close - I do not have the unique upgrade yet - whereas Moskva can hit the balls on a mosquito at 20 kms. Stalingrad is a steel ship so much harder to get but yeah, she has insane AP but easily loses the HE dpm to Moskva. So to me at least, Moskva is still very much a relevant ship.
If you really want to use Petro at range, then just use range mod. improves the accuracy (and the really good dispersion window gets bumped from 12km to around 13.5-14), and you're not sacrificing your consumables. use HAP and you basically have free petro legmod ( i have it, and i'm trying to get wg to refund it)
@@atpyro7920 What's HAP?
he has a straight up dogwater take on Moskva, it does play completely differently than any of the tech tree ones, I am confident in out tanking a Petro in a moskva, plus if you dont play it like a complete muppet you never eat citadels
@@V-V1875-h 😂I agree with the gist of this.
@@atpyro7920 What's HAP?
My first ever coal ship was Marblehead. It took me a long time to figure out how it worked, and now I have a 21 point commander on it. If you play it right, at tier, this ship can be a holy terror.
We need a tier list for the super cruisers, especially with recent updates.. really liked the video and series, keep going:)
Thanks a bunch for your excelent video and review of these ships. I just picked up Yoshino because of your recomendation and i am having a blast in it. Realy happy with it. Much appreciated :D
No surprise I have so much trouble facing a Napoli in a DD as I do. Thanks for the insightful video
Putting Moskva in 5th place should be considered criminal..
I'd argue that its literally the best coal cruiser (if not the best coal ship) for anyone with decent experience in WoWs; Its always viable in comp, extremely effective and tanky in kite but punishes mistakes heavily. However due to utility, fast shells, 50mm deck+sides and great kite angles, its one of the best T10 cruisers. Its not easy to play, especially not if you want to play it correctly (Dont play it like a DM unless you really struggle with kiting or misstimed your turn early game) but its extremely rewarding if you play it correctly.
Napoli may be better for less experienced players, however its far worse for randoms (if you want to solo-carry or play in a div and have impact) and often restricted in CBs (Even if it isnt, you need to be far more competent to play it & San Martin hardcounters it if kited.
Yoshino is a useless afk permakiter that doesnt do anything particularely well (Al. Nevsky, Conde/Henri, Hinden/Clause are all far better. Even Mosvka is better in kite). While sure, you will get decent average, your impact on the game is usually not going to be high, especially compared to any utility/fast cruiser (Just play Conde, Clause, Nevsky, Moskva etc.)
Brisbane really isnt that good outside of comp (if nevsky is banned and or dm is restricted).. Its only upside is the 12km radar and HE, however there are ships that are just far better for that purpose; Moskva, Nevksy, DM etc. Since its nerfed Mino-Reload the DPM really isnt worth it and while fires can deal a lot of damage, its really insignificant in current WoWs, as the fire resistence of BBs has increased by a lot making most of the newer ships basically unkillable with HE (unless they missplay it heavily ofc, therefore Radar Mino is usually going to be the better option..
Even though Salem is my favourite (and most played) ship, its by no means as good as Moskva (its better than Napoli for solo-carry potential if you play it extremely well [randoms]), it is however better than both Brisbane and Yoshino by far. The only reason people seem to see it as weak, is due to them not being able to play it properly and get into the wrong positions rendering the radar essentially useless. Its extremly good if you know how to play it and depending on how much you do so, it may be better than Napoli, however I do agree that for newer players, Napoli is the better choice. And if you want to play CBS, then take napoli aswell.
I agree with the T9 in terms of their ranking, since they are either considered as an insult in ship-form or just worse than the T10.
My list would probably be;
1 - Moskva (Its just the best coal cruiser; Best for randoms & Cbs)
2 - Napoli / Salem [Strength(Randoms: Salem, CBS: Napoli) Ease of use: Napoli] (Depends on how good you are at the game/What you use it for)
3 - Salem / Napoli [Same as above] (Depends on how good you are at the game/What you use it for)
4 - Yoshino ( Decent kiter but useless at anything else)
5 - Brisbane (Radar mino is better)
6 - Azuma (Just a worse yoshino)
7 - Ägir (Alaska & Riga exist, so dont buy it)
8 - Tulsa (dont buy it, get a dm or salem)
9 - Carnot (dont buy it, get a henri or any other permakiter)
This man is cooking, Moskva in 5th shows that his thoughts are weird asf.
Literally everything he says bad about Moskva is even worse with Yoshino. It's a floating citadel that gets overmatched even worse, has a longer reload, handles just as bad, and yet has no utility like Moskva. Man has some dented takes
@@JustSomeGuyWithNoMaidens Bro keeps comparing Moskva to Petro and like lmao you don't play them the same. Actually demented.
@@BOBTHEBALL2169 are you the one in LOTS discord server? lolol
@jacksonevoX20S yes the one and only, my advice for you my friend stay away from PQ tierlists
Napoli is #1, shock. But I have to say, I'll still take Moskva at #2, hands down, especially with the UU. The only exception might be if you don't have the DM (which is better), then maybe Salem. When playing CB, I'm pretty confident when I see a Yoshi on the opposing team; it usually means a win.
The problem with moskwa is that at this point it's worse than both tech tree counterparts
Newski is a better HE spammer and can kite better because of conceal and overall size and maneuverability.
Petro is better at everything else
@@MK-wx5vubut why compare it to tech tree line tho when you rank it based on other coal ship still dm is better than salem but put salem over moskva ?
@@MK-wx5vu No Petro is not better in everything else. Petro is just better in tankiness (especially if someone is shooting at you from the side and you are not angled properly) and AP demage and pen. But its not better in HE spam and also has way shorter radar duration. Moskva radar is really big problem for dds not so much petro radar. Dispersion is much better on Moskva (even better with legmod) for shooting DDs. Moskva can tank +- like petro when bow tanking and also can HE spam and kill dds like Nevsky (nevsky has better HE DPM but moskva better pen over 32mm).
@@adiyatmamajid844 i didn't really compare it to the coleships in terms of strength. I just meant that it's not really worth picking up because of the tech tree even though it's quite a strong ship (which is the same reason why salem isnt really worth imo, its a dm with worse radar)
@@vitezslavlorenc3479 i wrote "petro is better at everything else" (read pls) meaning everything apart from kiting and HE spam, because thats nevskis strong point.
Yes moskwa has a better radar because of the duration but moskva generally doesnt play as close to caps/enemy dds because of armour and conceal. I find it difficult to sit nose in with moskwa because its so huge and it gets eaten alive by overmatch.
Don't get me wrong i like moskwa and it's a good alrounder but for me ap is often a bit weak and if i want to spam HE i play nevski. I often find mzself having a better time with petro and nevski
31:37 Bite your tongue! The Napoli does NOT need a nerf. I played it for the first time and ended up running it for several hours. A very fun ship. Not everyone is a super player like PQ!
Besides, the torps are super slow and the damage seems weak to me. And the smoke doesn’t seem to work, either. Not sure what mechanic I’m missing there, maybe just too close to the action…
Another thing is when I’m chasing a cv the he just breaks on the flattop. I have to aim off so the shells hit the side, which isn’t easy with the shells plunging downwards.
Personally, I'd take the Moskva for the looks alone. But with that in mind, she's way overdue for some minor buffs, or better yet, nerfs to her counterpart(s)
When I started playing 2 years ago I spent a lot of time grinding tech trees to unlock Des Moines and Marseille, and then picked up the Napoli with the coal I got while I was grinding. Using those three got me through a few Clan Battle seasons. I went through to Petro and the Russian Light Cruiser (forget the name) as well as the Dutch tier 10 and then picked up Brisbane as my third coal ship (I got Marceau for when my Clan needed a Destroyer player) since I already have a Petro and Des Moines so I didn't want the Moskva or Salem. I am planning the Azuma or Agir next so I have a credit farmer.
Now PQ, what would your choice look like if a) you didn't have a premium account and b) you had (at best) a tier 10 captain?
This list would be VERY different especially with regard to the Standard Account economy.
In the circumstances I've outlined, any (ALL?) of the above would actually cost you credits to play, no matter how well you performed....
PLEASE PQ DONT TELL WG TO NERF NAPOLI IM 40K COAL AWAYYY NOOOO
I mostly agree with your list, except for the Brisbane in number 3 because it is so squishy. Only people that do well in a radar Mino ( which is not many) will do well in this ship. I don´t play radar Mino well, so for me it´s on my ¨not to get list.¨
thanks potato was looking for this kinda video!
when yoshino came out it was amazing troll sailing between 3 ships torping two from each side and ap to the third one xD
17:38 Moskva is very fire-resistant, despite the mega HP pool, but the burning time is based on the caliber (any ship has main caliber smaller than 283mm has cruiser burning time) so Moskva no need to worry much about HE spamming ships, unlike Stalingrad (Stalingrad gets murdered easily with fires while Moskva not). Anyways, I have Moskva and it's super fun with the good armor, unless I get nuked when sailing broadside. Also, I very surprised to see Napoli as top 1 and I agree with you PQ, Napoli is most fun when yolo rush to any BB and murder DDs. Keep up the great content, PQ!
My first was the Moskva, and i really like it. It has really great range and accurate (like u sayed) and the 12 k radar last so long. Its easy to hit dd because the bullets are so damn fast
yeh spot on for number 1
Im not the best cruiser player but just got this and its amazing and its not even Russian
brilliant for lone Yamato s push in smoke up and kite fireing HE for fires while sap secondary s melt them
Would you ever do a coal series for mid tier? Like flint or Atlanta?
Edit: ik Atlanta isn’t a coal ship
Atlanta is amazingly fun. Maybe is just me…? I also like Nurnberg 😮
flint just sucks
@@V-V1875-h Flint is....situational? Big shock to the system when I first got her but then started playing her like a big DD and she IS fun.
Flint is also pretty overpriced for what it is.
I've been a big fan for awhile. I FINALLY subscribed... Anyway I've been around this game since the beginning, but I haven't played the game like most of the rest of you. There's other games I like to play to, so the ONLY line I've gone through is the Japanese BB line. So I have the Satsuma...:) Anyway I currently have your number 1 through 7, with the Brisbane being my newest addition. So when it comes to coal ships I'm getting to the point where I'm having an issue on what to get. The only coal BB left for me is the GK. Everyone is saying NOT to get her. U-4501... I like subs, but boy it's hard to play them anymore. Have the Malta. So it's down to the DD's. This is where I really need help. It doesn't help I'm a marginal DD player...
I did not expect Yoshino at 2nd place. I really like the ship but I don't know if I would even put it at number 2 myself. An absolute W for the Yoshino here
Show me/us just how OP the T61 is!! Probably my favorite mid tier DD.
Currently in tier IX brawls 90% of the players are using Agir. I am using Tianjin and its dispersion is insanely fantastic at range, especially with that super spotter plane.
I would love to see your review of the Tianjin.
I love the Yoshino. I find myself getting hits with the torps a lot. Last match I played in it I dev struck a Hindenburg at around the 18km mark with the torps like 5 minutes after I shot them. I have a Yoshino video on my channel where I got like 8 torp hits and a few kills with them.
I feel the Carnot reflects WG attitudes toward the Henry in the way they needed her at one point.
I think slapping a MBRB on the Carnot would make her a pretty decent choice. I also wouldn't recommend her to newbies who have a lot of choices but I actually perform pretty decent in this ship. It only needs a couple of buffs to make it viable on 2024. The MBRB is the perfect buff for it imo. After the release of Brennus, this will be even more obsolete (Yes I know Brennus is T10 but still, high tier premium french cruiser).
The most obvious and objective choice is definitely the Napoli for most although I personally dislike her due to anemic main guns. To me the first choice is Brisbane hands down. Then Yoshino. If you play the Yoshino well and utilize that AP on broadsides instead of brainless HE kite all the time, she is a pretty decent ship. The third would be the Moskva simply due to utility she brings into the match. I don't have fun playing a Moskva ever though lol.
I bought the Moskva a few months ago as my first purchased coal ship, and I love it. My son bought the Salem and he gets cranky every time I mention that he should have bought the Moskva. Especially when I let him play my account for a few battles. I've heard PQ's comparison of the Petro being better than the Moskva more than once and I don't agree. Then again there are some ships that just don't sit well with some people. Maybe Moskva is PQ's.... IDK. Moskva is a great ship and I have no regrets.
Appreciate the time you put into this PQ. I really like your #1 and #2 pics.
charleston, the end.
I just picked up Napoli last week. Haven't taken her out yet but looking forward to it. Tier 10 play can be so . . . suffocating sometimes that I tend to play only T7-T9 but at T9 I often get the brutal matchmaking with superships so . . . Might as well play T10 and be well armed when I do.
I got the Napoli a couple of weeks ago. Still getting used to it. It's slower than I'm used to
Already got the Moskva and Yoshino. Both ships I have been playing with a lot of joy. I am having currently enough coal to think about adding a new one. So your opinion/rated is going to get important from my end
The Carnot feels like it was designed for use with MBRB, then it was taken away in testing and they never rebalanced the ship for the removal of it.
When deciding to spend an earned resource like Coal I think about the comparison to Tech Tree ships I can grind. None of the T9 Coal CAs are frightening to a Riga and none of the T10 ships are frightening to a Petro (even Napoli). Are the better Coal values in the DDs?
I'm considering Brisbane for my next coal shop. She seems interesting and I have yet to grind out the Mino, the Neptune is not a happy place to be rn.
Agir is just so good to have imo. Brawls and ranked is alot more fun than randoms.
There are 5 coal ships everyone should get first:
The first three are strong enough to be T11 ships
1. Marceau
2. Sherman (basically a SAP and HE
3. Napoli
4. Kearsage - easiest credit farming ship there is if you don’t have the credit farming version of Missouri. 12 North Carolina guns and attack planes for spotting and chunking DDs as well as lighting perma fires. Also it has ridiculously good firing angles. It’s cursed. It’s overpowered. It should’ve never been made. Use it.
5. Okt. Revolutsiya for T5 ranked.
I'm interested in a direct comparison of Black and Sherman and if it's worth chasing both.
Black is more a support ship then Sherman, you want use guns in your smoke.
i got the florida from that exchange event i blame you PQ! ;)
How and where do you choose?
PQ, what is that mod or whatever that is listing all your currency in port in the top Right corner?
The Iwami re-visit would be interesting.
While I dont disagree the carnot really isnt good
Switching the 20% speed boost for spotter plane on a cruiser with 19km base range is a... choice
Is there a super ship tier list to be found?
I'm new to the game, and my first coal cruiser was Napoli. I'm finding it extremely hard to make it work in Randoms. But, I must stress I'm new xD I've got 1000 battles. I don't even have a real T10. I recently just unlocked T9s. I picked Napoli cause I liked how the ship looked and I watched a video of Jingles one time where he showed 3 random Napolis making a platoon and doing smoke train secondary memes. But in Randoms, I'm barely doing my ship's HP in damage. I just can't seem to get it. I got better results in my Riga. I can see the potential, I just can't seem to exploit it.
Spend more time around T8.
@@janboen3630 yeah, that's what I'm doing. I'm playing my few premiums (I got an Atago as a present and a Littorio for 8 bucks xD). I need credits to buy my Petro and Yamato, and I'm also slowly learning the game xD
Secondary build shikishima!!
i just got yoshino , i thought about salem but i have desmoines and annapolis.I do have the zao.Stalingrad napolia moskva
Truly Potato Quality'
No, No, No PQ you're mistaken, you see, Napoli only can get a maximum secondary range of only 11 km while Schlieffen can get a maximum range of 12.5 km and the upcoming Libertad with combat instructions can get a maximum range of 15 km. So actually Napoli needs a buff
Moskva is actually one of the best coal cruisers, its pretty tanky enough for me. Despite having the same guns as petro, Im very comfortable with the reload on this.
Azuma on the other hand is actually a fun ship, consistent, though a downgrade version of yoshino. the guns are consistent out of the battlecruiser available for coal
Is there a coal dd list???
Napoli is great, build out secondaries, it's a fun ship.
DDs to follow... your opinions on BBs aren't nearly as obscure!
Me, sitting in a corner and scoring citadels on enemy ships all day in my Carnot.
Agincourt has best secondaries in the game 😛One can easily solo the DD and torpenhymerboots in Utah. 14 main guns with what has to be the most random dispersion in the game are often more like fireworks but just watch the secondaries melt anything within range.
I played a game last week with Napoli, it was 2 brothers, went mid, got 6 kills, deleted an entire flank, and it was fun while blasting the Pizza song
Coal DD's please...!
Nap could have been a steel ship and she’d still challenge the top slot.
should have been!
i would really like if you did it with research bureau for sebastopol, the agir with 380, T10 british cruiser... and compared them to the coal counterparts ;)
To be fair. I love alaska, and love my carnot as it play kinda like but more long range and nimble. Moskva and des moines (kinda salem? lol? ) too.... But i cant see brisbane beeing good to carry a team/game like those mention before. Agir and azuma i can't see them turn the battle course. Tulsa... meh... its like congress... i don't see the point. Rather get salem ^^
Yoshino and napoli are in my visor... but to be fair that napoli is really appealing.
Krondshtat is one of my most disapointing cruiser sadly. took in coal before it was gone... and ... should have gone for something else ^^' Pure shotgun. :(
Now... i m looking at reaserch bureau as i have ohio and slava.... Sicilia look fun but... rn i m in a cruiser mood.
Well, time to get Yoshino then... Got Napoli B in a container 2 years ago 😎
Best secondary ship is Michelangelo. More hitting dpm than Schlieffen and Napoli.
Hi. I am new to wows. Hoe do you display the coal steel etc that you have on the top right? Is it a mod?
Brisbane is a great cap denial ship for DDs but hard to play and so many torps
The only ships in this list I don't have are Carnot, Tulsa, Moskva and Salem.
you didnt list them as whether what is also good for the alternate fighting modes.
I Accidently bought the Azuma a few weeks ago, I was wanting Kearsarge but yea... >_> but, the funny thing is I got AL Azuma Commander so it work i guess?
Azuma grinds credits like almost nothing else, you sit in the back and start fires with those incredible guns and with blue bonuses, you can easily expect over 1 mil credits for per battle.
@majestichotwings6974 not before I get nuked by a 406+mm gun from 20km out. I try to move as much as I can, but get smacked by BBs behind islands or Smoke...
RB Ships next ?
Prolly coal BBs and DDs first and then RB
How do you show all your resources on the main page? Steel ect
Yeah I want to know to. There is no such thing in setting
Any chance you could to the RB ships too? I'm coming up on getting my 5th RB ship (63k RB after one Venzia game) and I'd like to hear your input on them (I have Ohio, Illy, Siggy, and Palo)
Yeah, I’ll do RB ships after coal bbs and dds.
@@PotatoQuality Awesome thanks! As an aside (I'm about 100k xp off from that Venzia game, any suggestions for that 63k RB to spend?)
@@jamesharrington001best choice objectively is probably vampire. I personally have ohio and Sewastopol (which I enjoy a lot). I will probably go for gibraltar next, mostly because I enjoy ap focused ships a lot, I don't really like sniping (slava) and I'm not really that big into dds
@@MK-wx5vu I'm kind of a mainline Crusier guy, I like my Siggy, but sometimes MM just doesn't let her do what she needs to do. Ohio is just mindless fun, Illiy is decent for fire starting and I kind of hate my Palo. So, I'm just really torn on what should be my next RB ship. I've also picked up the Golden Lion Leg Mod (man does that ever help that ship).
colbert amonge
Carnot - I have it. Played it 100 times. Avoid it.
Agir - I have it. Played it 275 times. Far better than Carnot.
Yoshino - Just got it, so far it's been great. Solidly competitive.
I also have Alaska, & Kronstadt, so a fair amount of BC XP.
I got Agir and Carnot. And I'm mostly playing the french one.
I don't understand Salem at #4 since PQ literally says it's a worse DM and it also isn't very unique
A good T10 is surely going to earn more money than a bad T9?
Napoli does NOT need a nerf
I prioritised which nation I play. So Brisbane is an absolute no go for me.
Coal battleships next 😁
every time i face against a Napoli im left raging...bc ive thrown everything including the captain at the damn ship and it just keeps tooting along....dont matter if im Yamato, Maine, Montana, Petro, Salem, Smolensk, etc....fucker wont die
The Salem makes a ton more money than the Des Moines. You forget that everyone else don't have free credits.
Hey man how do you have so much credits and stuff? Been playing for 2 years and I just bought a ship now down to 250,000 credits..
how big is the difference of credits making from t9 an 10? what is better for a new player for farming credits to be able to pay free lines?
Personally my list would go:(keeping in mind 9 and 8 are ships I would full out avoid, 7 is a ship I would say get if you REALLY want it, and 6+ are all ships I could recommend getting in some way.)
9: Tulsa, this is a T8 at T9. If Tulsa was a T8 she would be perfectly fine, but as a T9? Nope.
8: Carnot, if the French didn't have tech tree BCs with reload boosters and bigger better guns, I would place her higher for the novelty factor, but they have better ships in the tech tree.
7: Salem, Des Moines is simply better, that's the problem here. Salem with the reload rate of Tulsa would make a fine T9 CA, as a T10 you give up WAY to much compared to Des Moines to get a super heal you are almost never getting value out of.
6: Agir, her AP isn't bad, but you can't always just spam AP, you need to have decent HE to fall back on and she just doesn't have it. Though that said she's not a bad ship.
5: Yoshino, Azuma with torpedoes sounds great, until you realize being a T10 means worse economy and those torpedoes have really rough fire angles making them mostly worthless. They can be funny, but torpedoes are just not as reliable as main guns, and her main guns aren't that much better than Azuma's to give up the T9 economy.
4: Azuma, Yoshino but a tier lower without torpedoes. Basically better economy, chance of seeing T7s, still fully able to handle super ships.
3: Napoli, It's a cruiser that can brawl, and has fairly okay guns and armour. What's not to love?
2: Moskva, she may not be as tough as she once was due to the addition of a lot more ships that can overmatch her armour, but Battleship Moskva is still a force to be reckoned with. Basically a balance between the tech tree T10s in the Russian line. She has a good radar, good guns, and good armour.
1: Brisbane, she has great DPM and a stealth 12km radar. How this ship survived testing in this state is beyond me. Honestly if any of the coal ships right now had a chance of being removed from sale, I'd say it's Brisbane.
Salem is like, sidegrade to a DM, it is not worse
Now I only owned Azuma and Moskva
DD's first please
Napoli should be listed as battle ship btw🙃
Wanna comment before i watch😂 for me napoli, sherman> then marceau
Napoli is perfect the way it is…. Leave it alone.
Good list though.
Do EVERY coal cruiser.
Coal BB's please
I'm a bit disappointed we only have a single T10 coal battleship at the moment. And its GK, not even an original coal ship. Now compare that to the steel options...
funny cause I throw zoning torps and Yoshino hits a Submarine and Battleship at random
Day 5 of asking PQ to play the finest Russian BB admiral ushakov with meme lord kuznetsov
Yes. I got kearsage instead XD
Well, I got the Carnot from a box. I guess is something.
90% of the time you meet a yoshino in ranked or random u know it will stay in the back and playlike a DD
That explains why i See so many dds going behind Spawn at start
@@FMeyer-zg5mg yoshi need to max range Torp 20km ^^