I love D'Antoni's energy in this podcast. He looks genuinely happy to be there and enjoy the questions that were asked. This channel always seems to bring out a more genuine side out of people and it is so refreshing to watch.
well steph early in his career was prone to injury in GSW. It did take GSW some rebuilding years around Steph to make it work. So I am not sure if NY would have done the same.
Steph's ankles were a huge problem early in his career, and there was a specific doctor (or trainer, I forget) that he himself credits with turning his career around. So, as cursed as the Knicks are, really any other team (outside of, say, Phoenix -- they have some kind of fountain of youth over there) would've had the wrong ingredients to set his career right.
They’d prob trade because he was injury prone too. Either way the Knicks front office would try to go into “win now” mode, which is ironic because that’s what they do every 4-5 years. Yet, the are always in “never win” mode 😭
He's right about that series. They had em on the ropes. But GS responded. Chris Paul did get hurt but nobody mentions how they ran it back the next year and KD gets hurt and GS closed it out in Houston again. Both those series were amazing.
GS without KD play better against Houston , thats crazy but just how things are. Houston force GS to play 1-on-1 basketball, but GS like to move the ball around with player running screen non-stop. KD actually make it works for Houston because he just wants to play 1-on-1, hes not running screen or anything. Had KD not went down in the series against Houston, GS might have lost, thats the more crazy thing.
@@tigera6 they play better team basketball but you could tell Houston wanted them to play 1 on 1 and if u remember steph did that at the end he went crazy
@@simoneaddo644 Yeah, Steph did hit the couple big 3s, but so did Klay and Iggy. I believe the whole GS team play better because they ran the system, and Houston knew that so thats why they forced the 1-on-1 play.
Because Chris paul played good in 2018 and was terrible in 2019. Meanwhile Harden was bad in 2018(game 6 and 7) and good in 2019. If they both played well at the same time they could have won
I love Mike D'Antoni's energy. But could you imagine a chef curry in a Mike D'Antoni offense? 👀 Of course, we'll never know if the chef would still have that phenomenal ball movement, but I have to imagine that 1-on-1 game would be legendary.
@@collegedropout2766 I was thinking if Steph took as many shots, he would’ve averaged 40 but they probably would’ve blown teams out with his efficiency so 35 seems right
I just want to say thanks for the likes and replies. But I wanted to point out, that I'm not sure a chef curry under a Mike D'Antoni would be the same chef curry we know. For example, defense. I think Steph benefited a lot from coach Mark Jackson and Don Nelson in terms of defense and grit. I'm not sure if he would learn those same lessons if he went to New York. I have no doubt he would be a better offensive player than he is now (which already he is legendary), but would he have developed as an overall player is what I'm wondering. Since I started watching basketball in the 2016 playoffs, I do know one thing. There is more to basketball than just scoring, when it comes to winning it all.
Knowing knicks fans and their organization , they probably would have given up on Steph early anyway since he had severe ankle problems in his early career.
How can you not like D'Antoni? I see why he gets to go to different teams. I originally pegged him as a bad person/coach based off of pundits writing him off and other coaches not getting opportunities, but his personality is infectious. I get it now. If I was any good, I would want to suit up for him. "We'd still be in Houston beating up on people." 🤣🤣
@@sgtslaughter573 he didn’t make harden do anything. He gave him freedom to reach his full potential and harden went out there and did it. Don’t be such a casual
@@fbzakafloridaboyz4845 yes, he did. Most coaches aren’t gonna run PJ tucker or Ryan Anderson at Center. That’s when the Rockets were most effective, because of his game plan.
He’s a great guy from my understanding, his system just burns tf out of players by mid playoff time otherwise this guy would be right behind popovich as a current great.
Drafting Steph Curry was just the first hurdle. The real test was when he had repeated ankle injuries in his first few years. Back then it was not looking good for him and you have to give Golden State management all the credit to not only stick with him, but gave him a long term contract. It was a genius move that also allowed Kevin Durant to be signed later as a free agent. In 2015 when GSW won the first championship, Curry was either the fourth or fifth highest paid person in the team. Some other superstars would have made a big stink, but not Curry.
So rare to have a Hall of Fame caliber player like Steph without the hall of fame ego. David Robinson & Tim Duncan are the only other ones who immediately come to my mind.
To be fair, Golden State was lucky the Bucks didnt want Steph and took Ellis instead when the Dubs traded for Bogut, in effect locking up Steph in a cheap contract for years. That really turned out well for the Dubs.
Luckily for Curry he wasn’t drafted by the Knicks. Otherwise he would have had a whole different career with all the pressure and criticism in New York. He went to the right organization, that provided the right environment to allow him to take all the crazy shots form everywhere on the floor and push the boundaries of the game. He changed the game, like it or not. He’s the face of the style played right now. He’s not like lebron that’s just has a powerful game, that impacts and fit any team, so the criticism and the expectation would have really make things so much harder dom him. And obviously the partnership he has with green and klay is crucial to his development. The way they complement each other, it’s a perfect fit.
Agreed on Klay but not sure about the former. D’Antoni would’ve given him the keys rights away or quicker than GS. He had the Ernie stripes behind Monte Ellis and also had a few injuries. But all in all I do agree as a sad hopeless fan of the Knicks that he is much better off in San Fran 😭😭😭
I think it's understated how fragile and risky Steph looked in his early career; he spent a good chunk of his first few years dealing with ankle injuries. Steph back then was only SLIGHTLY better than Zion right now in terms of health reputation. People would always bring up his ankles in every discussion. I don't think he would have thrived in New York because of these issues. GS bet on Steph really early and gave him a contract extension despite his reputation as being injury prone. Would NY have done the same for him? He was drafted to a low-expectation team in GS; NY would have ate him alive. I think he would still be a really good player, but his career would have taken a really different trajectory if he was drafted by NY. He could easily have been traded away by the Knicks if they felt he was not worth the risk to keep around. Would Steph still be the player he was if he was traded in 2011 to the Bucks instead of Monte Ellis? Would he be as great as he was if was put in a losing situation, and then getting traded every year or two to another team? That takes a huge toll on a player's confidence and psyche. It's basically a game of chance of getting onto an organization that believes and trusts you enough to let you develop and also build around you with free agents/draft picks; I don't know if Steph would have had that luxury in his early career anywhere else other than in Golden State. That trust paid off in dividends with MVPs and championships. I also think Steph will end up a Warrior for his entire career, if he has anything to say about it.
@@Arratick Nah, Early Steph and Zion is not a good comparison. Steph back then was an injury prone starter, unlike Zion who became an injury prone future star because of not taking care of his body. Zion caused his own injuries.
Don’t forget Steph had a hard time early as well. Dude was practicing in front of the whole GS management team because they were so scared of the ankle injury thing.
He's the number 1 guy he would have loved to coach and the number 1 guy Lebron would love to play with. He is my number 1 guy in the NBA. He is Steph Curry... respect that man
Celts fan here, and I think you guys are closer than you think. Barrett is promising, Randall was a cool experience, but not the formula. You only need two maxes to come play there after you dump Randall…. Or like one Lebron/Kawhii type. Think If Bron and his son wanted to play there. You guys deserve better. And two max players would be a nice “thank you” for the insane loyalty of the fan base there. With respect and sincerity, I hope to see my greatest rival in sports , and brothers in east coast grit, reclaim their position in the NBA hierarchy.
I like how JJ allows his co - host to ask questions and properly contribute to the convo. So often with an ex - athlete doing a podcast the co - host is just a mannequin agreeing with whatever is being said
It's crazy to think that against that Warriors, you rather pick the other poison of letting KD and Steph dance on you one on one. Although they both went "fine, I will do it" and decided the 2 series when the time comes. Curry double cross over on PJ in game 6 became the final nail on the Houston coffin, and I guess D'Antoni is okay taking that chance. btw Stephen A!!! You hear that? It's not by luck that the Knicks didn't get Steph. They Decided to cheap out on it!
Kings passed on Curry with number five pick, also passed on Klay Thomas with number ten pick (Klay went 11), and passed upon Mullen with number 6 (Mullen went 7). Warriors owe a lot to Kings’ lack of judgment. Kings also passed up Luca at number two.
A regular What Ifs edition of the pod would be great. It's a perfect casual conversation topic that also makes for a good reason to invite back some of your favorite guests. And you know it's going to fuel that engagement down here in the comments.
"so what" mentality is great. learn from your mistakes but saying that so you dont dwell is amazing. mix that with westbrook "why not" motto and anyone could be the best version of themself.
Curry camp told Knick that Warriors were going to draft him. They told him to trade up. But the Knick thought that because Warriors has Monta Ellis that they would not draft Curry. Monta was great was a decoy so Knick would not trade up.
@@jpmartinez6608 and then Steph wasn’t the pg they wanted either but he filled the buckets so the decided to move on from monta. The warriors new owners really thought about moving on from Steph too lol
If Knicks would draft Steph , Lebron may have added 3 more rings to his legacy . I strongly believed that he fought against the best team ever assembled . Steph also mentioned that he was willing to join Knicks team to play for Mike . Without having a workout with GSW, he is drafted .So many factors are changing the destiny of league that is why I like this kind of what if stories
Well Lebron always has the best team, even when the warrior is with kd, the highest salary being payed is still cavs. Lebron basically chooses whatever he wants even the coach.
Yes, the Knicks wanted Steph so bad, it raised other scout's radar. He said it though, the Knicks biggest mistake was not moving up in the draft to insure the pick.
there was a ny times article where they interviewed dell curry and he said they told teams drafting 1-7 not to bother taking steph because he wanted to go to new york. i don’t remember ever hearing we had a chance to trade up to 5. that just makes me even sadder.
Wow.. mangement didn't want to trade up to draft curry yet they traded away the entire team for Melo who was going to come to the knicks anyways. WOW I never thought Knicks would be more fucked up than I imagined.
Wilson chandler. A player they wasnt goin to extend. Galinari. And a first rounder and raymond felton who was a wash because we got chauncie billups back. Im tired of the narrative we traded our entire team smh. Then on top of that nobody talked about the nets who was ready to give up everything to trade for melo. We had to go get him
I mean how would they know the warriors would take him one pick ahead? The Knicks valued Steph appropriately at the time. It was one of those unlucky situations which the Knicks get a lot of.
No one knew that stef would become the stef he is. He also benefited from a wonderful organization and city. If he went to NY or LA, he wouldn’t have become the player he is today. Those first few years on GS he was injured prone. He was lucky to be in an environment with little to no pressure to succeed.
@@pksangavaram Yea but I’m not talking about growth, yea if he had those injuries early on in NY the fans would’ve been calling him glass boy and demanding for him to be traded. I wasn’t talking about that though, the guy I responded to said “How would they know the warriors would take him a pick ahead” and I said because during Currys workout with the Knicks, Currys camp told NY that the warriors were planning to draft him.
Listening to Coach D explain how he wanted to go up and get Steph but was overruled and told that they’ll get him at 8 led me to look up the stats below: Since 1990 the New York Knicks have drafted……………. 2 All Star players. David Lee (2005 Draft) and Kristas Porzingas (2015 Draft). Both made 1 appearance as a Knick. Yes folks over the past 32 years the Knicks have either traded away their draft picks or drafted role players or complete busts. I stopped my research at 1990 because well I don’t want to beat a dead horse.
he'll probably go underapperciated. but he's a great coach and changed the game. I think other coaches (ie Kerr) took some of his concepts and implemented with better talent and avoided some of the flaws
Obviously he’s a rookie and on a tanking team. But I’d love to see josh giddey on to talk about his court awareness at such a young age. And maybe playing basketball in Australia. Plus I think he could use a vets push to be a more competitive shooter. I wish he was with kd because of the length comparisons and what he could teach him. But I’m glad he’s balling with the nets too it’s very fun to watch.
Funny how things go. Steph also wanted Knicks to draft him and did not even do a workout with GSW and was shocked when they drafted him. He said it on Draymond podcast yesterday.
4:15 woow didnt see it coming tho. The narrative the media pointed was curry to the wolves and how they passed on him twice. But wow curry to NYC with coach d antoni system will be soooo huge. Curry is destine to play on high octane offense..
Sure the Knicks wanted Curry ( we'll just have to believe it's true )... BUT, I'm certain the Knicks would've fucked up and traded Curry early when he was having all those ankle injuries 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Im glad the Knicks missed out on Curry. Knowing how pathetic and badly Knicks ran this organization, it would of derailed Curry's career and change the course of the NBA History. Curry would be still great, but i don't think he will have nearly the career he currently has with the Warriors.
It’s weird that people didn’t know D’Antoni was like this given how long he coached. Maybe it’s because everyone spent all of their time screaming that his teams didn’t play any defense, shot too many 3’s, relied too much on analytics & were soft/finesse teams.
Those books behind Mike D’antoni are probably all about basketball offensive strategies “Defense? No no no we don’t do that here. I say half the defense and *DoUbLe ThE oFfEnSe* “🤪
Wrong!!!!! The NBA isn't like the NFL there's a lottery and the Knicks get screwed and other teams "jump up" LeBron leaves and the Cavs get two number one picks. AD gets traded to the Lakers and they New Orleans gets the number one pick even tho NY had the best odds. GS got the second pick via a trade and they picked wrong but still the point is the NBA lottery is rigged to help reward and assist certian franchises.
Nobody remembers currys career start was horrible, he was being called a bust, and glass ankles and couldnt stay healthy. I remember when gs traded monta for bogut everybody was saying they were dumb and shouldve traded curry instead. Its amazing to see how curry changed his career after getting healthy, that wouldve never happened in that dumpster fire they call the knicks
I don't think his career start was horrible. He was mostly healthy his first two seasons, during which he averaged 18 ppg on 44% from 3. He came in second in Rookie of the Year voting (Tyreke Evans won, but to be fair he put up big numbers) and was Rookie of the Month three times. Curry didn't miss serious time with ankle injuries until his third season. He was basically the player most people thought he could be, while Minnesota who drafted two PGs right ahead of Curry got one bust (Flynn) and another guy who wouldn't show up for another two years (Rubio).
@@mrmacross i had to look it up and youre right, now i honestly dont know why people were tripping so hard on him, maybe cause monta was so good then. Just goes to show you how garbage the media really is and kudos to the dubs for not listening. I hope this doesnt age bad but i feel like pat riley not trading herro or bam for a "superstar" is gonna be another franchise changing move.
knicks would have dumped curry the moment that they discovered his ankles were made of glass. i’m glad that the warriors drafted him and not the knicks.
GS could always hire him as an assistant head coach to lead the offensive side of the ball. OAN...: Can we quit it with the CP3 was injured and that's why Houston didn't win, when the very next year he played while KD was injured and GS still waxed them.
JJ and Tommy, please - it’s so easy to level-up your visual presentation, just toggle blur on your background. It’s so distracting to see your room’s furnishings!
The Knicks will more likely just bench Steph after the first two ankle injuries and then plummet his stock rock bottom while never blaming themselves for it. Its not only about talent, its also the culture behind the team. Linsanity would’ve lasted longer had D’Antoni stopped Melo from being a toxic teammate and formed a winning culture with the team he had back then.
Man the suns were a great team too but Kobe at the peak of his powers carrying a bunch of scrubs to being that close was crazy. The series where he hit the buzzer beater and pulled his shirt showing he got heart. I was running around like crazy acting a fool lmao.
Curry is perfect as a dual on ball and off ball threat and all the player movement enhances his gravity creating easy opportunities but can you imagine Curry’s counting stats if he spent his career being coached by this man lol. This guy opened it up for Nash to be two time mvp, Linsanity was a thing making a g leaguer look like one of the best in the league, and had harden averaging 35 8 and 8. Curry’s points created per attempt in pick and rolls and efficiency trumps those guys so it might have been a sight to behold. Then again New York probably would have found a way to tank it on him anyway.
It would have been great to see D’Antoni coach Steph but at the same time, James Dolan hasn’t earned the right to have that type of player in his franchise.
Look, the universe was right and lets look forward as D'Antoni said. Steph was meant to be where he is, same for Draymond. Plenty of teams want day 1 and that's not a bad thing. Others see the future. It is what it is. I'm certainly not mad about it. I'm just glad that a player like Steph gets the freedom to be the talent that he is. Everything worked out as it should have.
Steph shined on Golden State because of the playbook of Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr. Which are both Shooters so they created a shooting style of play. I don't think they would have unleashed Steph's full potential w/o Dray and Klay. They just mix so well. Even KD. I think the style of play he played on Golden State Fit him perfectly. On Brooklyn however he turned back into the Iso game of his OKC days.
I love D'Antoni's energy in this podcast. He looks genuinely happy to be there and enjoy the questions that were asked. This channel always seems to bring out a more genuine side out of people and it is so refreshing to watch.
Can’t agree more. This is the side of NBA media that shows authenticity and is even more entertaining than espn
exactly i felt the same way seeing the clips before the podcast came out. he’s awesome and i have more respect for him after watching this.
You can tell he loves basketball, man deserves a lot more credit for what he contributed to the modern nba
He knows the 76ers gig is coming
@@femiakinyemi lol it could happen if 76ers lose early and embarrassingly I the playoffs
If the Knicks drafted Steph, they’d probably trade him as soon as he showed signs of greatness for an aging star.
I’m a sad Knicks fan 🥲
Yup. We would have for sure fucked it up in some way or another.
well steph early in his career was prone to injury in GSW. It did take GSW some rebuilding years around Steph to make it work. So I am not sure if NY would have done the same.
Steph's ankles were a huge problem early in his career, and there was a specific doctor (or trainer, I forget) that he himself credits with turning his career around. So, as cursed as the Knicks are, really any other team (outside of, say, Phoenix -- they have some kind of fountain of youth over there) would've had the wrong ingredients to set his career right.
That's the knicks for ya 🤣🤣
They’d prob trade because he was injury prone too. Either way the Knicks front office would try to go into “win now” mode, which is ironic because that’s what they do every 4-5 years. Yet, the are always in “never win” mode 😭
He's right about that series. They had em on the ropes. But GS responded. Chris Paul did get hurt but nobody mentions how they ran it back the next year and KD gets hurt and GS closed it out in Houston again. Both those series were amazing.
GS without KD play better against Houston , thats crazy but just how things are. Houston force GS to play 1-on-1 basketball, but GS like to move the ball around with player running screen non-stop. KD actually make it works for Houston because he just wants to play 1-on-1, hes not running screen or anything. Had KD not went down in the series against Houston, GS might have lost, thats the more crazy thing.
@@tigera6 they play better team basketball but you could tell Houston wanted them to play 1 on 1 and if u remember steph did that at the end he went crazy
@@simoneaddo644 Yeah, Steph did hit the couple big 3s, but so did Klay and Iggy. I believe the whole GS team play better because they ran the system, and Houston knew that so thats why they forced the 1-on-1 play.
Because Chris paul played good in 2018 and was terrible in 2019. Meanwhile Harden was bad in 2018(game 6 and 7) and good in 2019. If they both played well at the same time they could have won
@@tigera6 that’s asinine
I love Mike D'Antoni's energy. But could you imagine a chef curry in a Mike D'Antoni offense? 👀 Of course, we'll never know if the chef would still have that phenomenal ball movement, but I have to imagine that 1-on-1 game would be legendary.
That would have been nuts
steph would've averaged 35 on amazing efficiency, not like some other guy who avg 36 on average shooting under d'antoni
@@collegedropout2766 I was thinking if Steph took as many shots, he would’ve averaged 40 but they probably would’ve blown teams out with his efficiency so 35 seems right
I just want to say thanks for the likes and replies. But I wanted to point out, that I'm not sure a chef curry under a Mike D'Antoni would be the same chef curry we know. For example, defense. I think Steph benefited a lot from coach Mark Jackson and Don Nelson in terms of defense and grit. I'm not sure if he would learn those same lessons if he went to New York. I have no doubt he would be a better offensive player than he is now (which already he is legendary), but would he have developed as an overall player is what I'm wondering. Since I started watching basketball in the 2016 playoffs, I do know one thing. There is more to basketball than just scoring, when it comes to winning it all.
Knowing knicks fans and their organization , they probably would have given up on Steph early anyway since he had severe ankle problems in his early career.
How can you not like D'Antoni? I see why he gets to go to different teams. I originally pegged him as a bad person/coach based off of pundits writing him off and other coaches not getting opportunities, but his personality is infectious. I get it now. If I was any good, I would want to suit up for him. "We'd still be in Houston beating up on people." 🤣🤣
Facts bro I have gained respect for this man he made James harden look like a beast 🤣
@@sgtslaughter573 he didn’t make harden do anything. He gave him freedom to reach his full potential and harden went out there and did it. Don’t be such a casual
A flawed coach for sure but idk how anyone can look at his body of work and think he's a bad coach
@@fbzakafloridaboyz4845 yes, he did. Most coaches aren’t gonna run PJ tucker or Ryan Anderson at Center. That’s when the Rockets were most effective, because of his game plan.
He’s a great guy from my understanding, his system just burns tf out of players by mid playoff time otherwise this guy would be right behind popovich as a current great.
Drafting Steph Curry was just the first hurdle. The real test was when he had repeated ankle injuries in his first few years. Back then it was not looking good for him and you have to give Golden State management all the credit to not only stick with him, but gave him a long term contract. It was a genius move that also allowed Kevin Durant to be signed later as a free agent. In 2015 when GSW won the first championship, Curry was either the fourth or fifth highest paid person in the team. Some other superstars would have made a big stink, but not Curry.
So rare to have a Hall of Fame caliber player like Steph without the hall of fame ego. David Robinson & Tim Duncan are the only other ones who immediately come to my mind.
To be fair, Golden State was lucky the Bucks didnt want Steph and took Ellis instead when the Dubs traded for Bogut, in effect locking up Steph in a cheap contract for years. That really turned out well for the Dubs.
@@reelmagic88 The Bulls were lucky Portland drafted Sam Bowie. That’s part of the fun.
Luckily for Curry he wasn’t drafted by the Knicks. Otherwise he would have had a whole different career with all the pressure and criticism in New York. He went to the right organization, that provided the right environment to allow him to take all the crazy shots form everywhere on the floor and push the boundaries of the game. He changed the game, like it or not. He’s the face of the style played right now. He’s not like lebron that’s just has a powerful game, that impacts and fit any team, so the criticism and the expectation would have really make things so much harder dom him. And obviously the partnership he has with green and klay is crucial to his development. The way they complement each other, it’s a perfect fit.
Agreed on Klay but not sure about the former. D’Antoni would’ve given him the keys rights away or quicker than GS. He had the Ernie stripes behind Monte Ellis and also had a few injuries. But all in all I do agree as a sad hopeless fan of the Knicks that he is much better off in San Fran 😭😭😭
I think it's understated how fragile and risky Steph looked in his early career; he spent a good chunk of his first few years dealing with ankle injuries. Steph back then was only SLIGHTLY better than Zion right now in terms of health reputation. People would always bring up his ankles in every discussion. I don't think he would have thrived in New York because of these issues. GS bet on Steph really early and gave him a contract extension despite his reputation as being injury prone. Would NY have done the same for him? He was drafted to a low-expectation team in GS; NY would have ate him alive.
I think he would still be a really good player, but his career would have taken a really different trajectory if he was drafted by NY. He could easily have been traded away by the Knicks if they felt he was not worth the risk to keep around. Would Steph still be the player he was if he was traded in 2011 to the Bucks instead of Monte Ellis? Would he be as great as he was if was put in a losing situation, and then getting traded every year or two to another team? That takes a huge toll on a player's confidence and psyche.
It's basically a game of chance of getting onto an organization that believes and trusts you enough to let you develop and also build around you with free agents/draft picks; I don't know if Steph would have had that luxury in his early career anywhere else other than in Golden State. That trust paid off in dividends with MVPs and championships. I also think Steph will end up a Warrior for his entire career, if he has anything to say about it.
well said...
@@Arratick Nah, Early Steph and Zion is not a good comparison. Steph back then was an injury prone starter, unlike Zion who became an injury prone future star because of not taking care of his body. Zion caused his own injuries.
Don’t forget Steph had a hard time early as well. Dude was practicing in front of the whole GS management team because they were so scared of the ankle injury thing.
He's the number 1 guy he would have loved to coach and the number 1 guy Lebron would love to play with.
He is my number 1 guy in the NBA. He is Steph Curry... respect that man
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I love Mike D'Antoni. The guy is as real as they get. And to me one of the best basketball coaches out there. Huge respect.
Curry literally just spoke on this on THE DRAYMOND GREEN SHOW!
As a Knicks fan, the Steph Curry story broke my heart! So close...but now so far....
What's even more heartbreaking is that Steph wanted to go to the Knicks and didn't expect to end up in Golden State
Knowing the knicks, they would probably still blunder having Steph playing there.
Just the latest thing that just didn’t work out for the Knicks, i have come to realize as a Knicks fan im not allowed to be happy
Steph, D’antoni, Danilo Gallinari, David Lee… in NY man that would have been something to see… Knicks fans are so cursed
Celts fan here, and I think you guys are closer than you think. Barrett is promising, Randall was a cool experience, but not the formula. You only need two maxes to come play there after you dump Randall…. Or like one Lebron/Kawhii type. Think If Bron and his son wanted to play there. You guys deserve better. And two max players would be a nice “thank you” for the insane loyalty of the fan base there. With respect and sincerity, I hope to see my greatest rival in sports , and brothers in east coast grit, reclaim their position in the NBA hierarchy.
I like how JJ allows his co - host to ask questions and properly contribute to the convo. So often with an ex - athlete doing a podcast the co - host is just a mannequin agreeing with whatever is being said
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Thanks guys
It really means a lot
It's crazy to think that against that Warriors, you rather pick the other poison of letting KD and Steph dance on you one on one. Although they both went "fine, I will do it" and decided the 2 series when the time comes. Curry double cross over on PJ in game 6 became the final nail on the Houston coffin, and I guess D'Antoni is okay taking that chance.
btw Stephen A!!! You hear that? It's not by luck that the Knicks didn't get Steph. They Decided to cheap out on it!
Kings passed on Curry with number five pick, also passed on Klay Thomas with number ten pick (Klay went 11), and passed upon Mullen with number 6 (Mullen went 7). Warriors owe a lot to Kings’ lack of judgment. Kings also passed up Luca at number two.
A regular What Ifs edition of the pod would be great. It's a perfect casual conversation topic that also makes for a good reason to invite back some of your favorite guests. And you know it's going to fuel that engagement down here in the comments.
"so what" mentality is great. learn from your mistakes but saying that so you dont dwell is amazing.
mix that with westbrook "why not" motto and anyone could be the best version of themself.
Westbrook stole that from Rose. Rose was saying why not me during his MVP season.
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First time to hear Coach D'Antoni talk and he made me a fan of his no-use-looking-back principle in treating games he and his team lost. What a guy!
Curry camp told Knick that Warriors were going to draft him. They told him to trade up. But the Knick thought that because Warriors has Monta Ellis that they would not draft Curry. Monta was great was a decoy so Knick would not trade up.
What did the W's do that makes you think they used Monta as a decoy during the draft process?
@@jpmartinez6608 lol not a damn thing they needed a pg bc monta wasn’t good as a pg. he was better off the ball
@@jpmartinez6608 and then Steph wasn’t the pg they wanted either but he filled the buckets so the decided to move on from monta. The warriors new owners really thought about moving on from Steph too lol
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Love how these interviews give us a new insight to players/coaches that we haven’t seen before.
If Knicks would draft Steph , Lebron may have added 3 more rings to his legacy . I strongly believed that he fought against the best team ever assembled . Steph also mentioned that he was willing to join Knicks team to play for Mike . Without having a workout with GSW, he is drafted .So many factors are changing the destiny of league that is why I like this kind of what if stories
East was too easy though compared to the west though, that's why they needed KD to survive in the west with Curry being injury prone...
Well Lebron always has the best team, even when the warrior is with kd, the highest salary being payed is still cavs. Lebron basically chooses whatever he wants even the coach.
Yes, the Knicks wanted Steph so bad, it raised other scout's radar. He said it though, the Knicks biggest mistake was not moving up in the draft to insure the pick.
This just adds to the pain of being a knicks fan.
Agreed 😒 It seems like the same people that make decisions for the Knicks also run J-E-T-S... and the DMV.
Steph also wanted to get drafted by the Knicks too 🤣
And still got more years of pain to come..
And Steph has said he wanted to play for the Knicks!!! Crazy how life works!!!
there was a ny times article where they interviewed dell curry and he said they told teams drafting 1-7 not to bother taking steph because he wanted to go to new york. i don’t remember ever hearing we had a chance to trade up to 5. that just makes me even sadder.
Just wow!!! Steph Curry dodges a major bullet!!
Steph wanted to go to the Knicks.
Wow.. mangement didn't want to trade up to draft curry yet they traded away the entire team for Melo who was going to come to the knicks anyways. WOW I never thought Knicks would be more fucked up than I imagined.
Wilson chandler. A player they wasnt goin to extend. Galinari. And a first rounder and raymond felton who was a wash because we got chauncie billups back. Im tired of the narrative we traded our entire team smh. Then on top of that nobody talked about the nets who was ready to give up everything to trade for melo. We had to go get him
I always wanted to see steph or kyrie in Dantoni's offense...now im adding dame to that list...
Or prime Russ
Or Ben Simmons
The "What if Jeremy Lin stayed on the Knicks?" haunts me to this day and I'm not even a Knick fan
Lin was the pg to run mikes offense too. Til carmelo came back and slowed it down
@@Phoenix-nl2ut Lets just be real. Carmelo has serious ego and jealousy issues
Just crazy the difference from lin played from when Carmelo came back and then the knicks didn’t offer lin a contract
@Ybw Kel maybe so but injuries got ahold of him but he had his moments
Blame melo
Damn we missed out on the Steph Curry, David Lee pick & roll 😂😂😂
Steph wanted to get drafted by the Knicks too.
Steph anyone pick and roll is no probably best in the league to be honest though. David lee was pretty solid.
@@bqproductions7448 thats a fact!
Self deprecating.. great quality of a coach. Someone who knows his flaws
Curry under D Antoni’s system would post up video game numbers 😭
Quickly becoming my favorite podcast
Knicks always find a way of messing up stuff
I mean how would they know the warriors would take him one pick ahead? The Knicks valued Steph appropriately at the time. It was one of those unlucky situations which the Knicks get a lot of.
@@user-ih6fg1hx3f Because Currys camp told the Knicks that the warriors were gonna draft him so they should trade up lol.
No one knew that stef would become the stef he is. He also benefited from a wonderful organization and city. If he went to NY or LA, he wouldn’t have become the player he is today. Those first few years on GS he was injured prone. He was lucky to be in an environment with little to no pressure to succeed.
@@pksangavaram Yea but I’m not talking about growth, yea if he had those injuries early on in NY the fans would’ve been calling him glass boy and demanding for him to be traded. I wasn’t talking about that though, the guy I responded to said “How would they know the warriors would take him a pick ahead” and I said because during Currys workout with the Knicks, Currys camp told NY that the warriors were planning to draft him.
Listening to Coach D explain how he wanted to go up and get Steph but was overruled and told that they’ll get him at 8 led me to look up the stats below:
Since 1990 the New York Knicks have drafted……………. 2 All Star players. David Lee (2005 Draft) and Kristas Porzingas (2015 Draft). Both made 1 appearance as a Knick.
Yes folks over the past 32 years the Knicks have either traded away their draft picks or drafted role players or complete busts. I stopped my research at 1990 because well I don’t want to beat a dead horse.
Great interview! Thanks for sharing :)
Congratulations on achieving 500k subscribers JJ & Tommy! Keep up the great work 👏
Glad the Warriors got Curry. Who knows Prime Carmelo might ruin Curry potential just like he ruin linsanity.
Nigga no
Dude don't compare Lin to curry
I hope y’all do the what if podcast that would be amazing
he'll probably go underapperciated. but he's a great coach and changed the game. I think other coaches (ie Kerr) took some of his concepts and implemented with better talent and avoided some of the flaws
Coach D'Antoni's demeanor, personality, energy is a reflection of where he's from - Mullens, WV.
4:00 is where the steph draft convo start
Salute from Brooklyn ✌️
Obviously he’s a rookie and on a tanking team. But I’d love to see josh giddey on to talk about his court awareness at such a young age. And maybe playing basketball in Australia. Plus I think he could use a vets push to be a more competitive shooter. I wish he was with kd because of the length comparisons and what he could teach him. But I’m glad he’s balling with the nets too it’s very fun to watch.
Funny how things go. Steph also wanted Knicks to draft him and did not even do a workout with GSW and was shocked when they drafted him. He said it on Draymond podcast yesterday.
Thank you I was looking for this!
4:15 woow didnt see it coming tho. The narrative the media pointed was curry to the wolves and how they passed on him twice. But wow curry to NYC with coach d antoni system will be soooo huge. Curry is destine to play on high octane offense..
Sure the Knicks wanted Curry ( we'll just have to believe it's true )... BUT, I'm certain the Knicks would've fucked up and traded Curry early when he was having all those ankle injuries 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Love his energy sounds like a good person w podcast
This podcast is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I want mike d'antoni to be my dad! "Knicks fan who never stopped lovin you🥺🥺🥺!"
Im glad the Knicks missed out on Curry. Knowing how pathetic and badly Knicks ran this organization, it would of derailed Curry's career and change the course of the NBA History. Curry would be still great, but i don't think he will have nearly the career he currently has with the Warriors.
This man changed the game forever
He absolutely did. His uptempo style with the suns back in the 2000s is how many teams play today.
@@rlm78iii Every single team damn near plays that way.
You guys should definitely do a What If podcast, would be hella entertaining
D'Antoni is so fun to watch
Wait…. You’re telling me there was a chance to move up… throw the entire squad!!!
It’s weird that people didn’t know D’Antoni was like this given how long he coached.
Maybe it’s because everyone spent all of their time screaming that his teams didn’t play any defense, shot too many 3’s, relied too much on analytics & were soft/finesse teams.
Stephen Curry with Mike D Antoni system will be the GOAT.
I admire this guys attitude
Always wanted to play for D’Antoni
"it makes me want to throw up" - stephen a smith
I’ve never seen a guy talking so happy (almost joyful) about his regrets. 😂😂😂
Those books behind Mike D’antoni are probably all about basketball offensive strategies
“Defense? No no no we don’t do that here. I say half the defense and *DoUbLe ThE oFfEnSe* “🤪
What an interesting character - so awesome.
The 2008-2009 Knicks closed out their 32-50 season with a 7-3 run. If they had properly tanked, they would have had that 7th pick.
Wrong!!!!! The NBA isn't like the NFL there's a lottery and the Knicks get screwed and other teams "jump up" LeBron leaves and the Cavs get two number one picks. AD gets traded to the Lakers and they New Orleans gets the number one pick even tho NY had the best odds. GS got the second pick via a trade and they picked wrong but still the point is the NBA lottery is rigged to help reward and assist certian franchises.
Nobody remembers currys career start was horrible, he was being called a bust, and glass ankles and couldnt stay healthy. I remember when gs traded monta for bogut everybody was saying they were dumb and shouldve traded curry instead. Its amazing to see how curry changed his career after getting healthy, that wouldve never happened in that dumpster fire they call the knicks
I don't think his career start was horrible. He was mostly healthy his first two seasons, during which he averaged 18 ppg on 44% from 3. He came in second in Rookie of the Year voting (Tyreke Evans won, but to be fair he put up big numbers) and was Rookie of the Month three times. Curry didn't miss serious time with ankle injuries until his third season. He was basically the player most people thought he could be, while Minnesota who drafted two PGs right ahead of Curry got one bust (Flynn) and another guy who wouldn't show up for another two years (Rubio).
@@mrmacross i had to look it up and youre right, now i honestly dont know why people were tripping so hard on him, maybe cause monta was so good then. Just goes to show you how garbage the media really is and kudos to the dubs for not listening. I hope this doesnt age bad but i feel like pat riley not trading herro or bam for a "superstar" is gonna be another franchise changing move.
Honestly the offer was i think curry and klay for bogut,but bucks wanted ellis i think
Thank GOD he didn't go to the Knicks. They have wasted every single draft pick I can remember. 0 development
I agree Steph wouldn’t be a top 5 pg ever if he was a Knick I’d be surprised if he was top 10
knicks would have dumped curry the moment that they discovered his ankles were made of glass. i’m glad that the warriors drafted him and not the knicks.
Saddest moment in knicks history was when Curry kept dropping until the pick before the knicks.
Steph would average 35 on 50-40-90. Would win scoring title every year.
You know come to think of it Steph and Mike would have been a great combination, that would have been a great offensive team
Mike has a good personality.
Yoooo JJ calms with the thumbnail 😳
If Step was drafted by NY he would have never developed into the player his is today because Melo would have never passed the ball to him :)))
Honestly I'd have to agree. After what happened to Lin, the same would most likely happen to Curry too
Great players always find a way…
@@LemonnaiseGD I disagree. Curry is a lot different from Lin
Skills would eventually elevate. It’s not like Monta was chomping at the bit to pass him the ball lol.
JJ, please do a "what if's" podcast!
We need Ty Lue on this podcast! They would be the perfect interviewers for him.
What’s the name of that book on US presidents D’Antoni was referring to ?
this was great
GS could always hire him as an assistant head coach to lead the offensive side of the ball. OAN...: Can we quit it with the CP3 was injured and that's why Houston didn't win, when the very next year he played while KD was injured and GS still waxed them.
Classic Knicks
JJ and Tommy, please - it’s so easy to level-up your visual presentation, just toggle blur on your background. It’s so distracting to see your room’s furnishings!
What a great guy.
STEPH IN D'ANTONI'S SYSTEM GG
What Coach wouldn’t want to Coach Steph Superstar player leader knows his power but never makes excuses
The Knicks will more likely just bench Steph after the first two ankle injuries and then plummet his stock rock bottom while never blaming themselves for it. Its not only about talent, its also the culture behind the team. Linsanity would’ve lasted longer had D’Antoni stopped Melo from being a toxic teammate and formed a winning culture with the team he had back then.
Knicks fan here punching thr fcking air 😒 😑 🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
4:01
Do an NBA what if podcast!!
Quello che dice è sempre acuto e sensato.
As a Lakers fan my what if is, what if Tim Thomas missed that three in 06 and the Lakers won that series in 6, and went on to face the Clips
Man the suns were a great team too but Kobe at the peak of his powers carrying a bunch of scrubs to being that close was crazy. The series where he hit the buzzer beater and pulled his shirt showing he got heart. I was running around like crazy acting a fool lmao.
wow, great guy actually
Game 7 Durant got hurt then Steph went off. They started pressing after that hence missing 27 in a row
No, that was in 2018. 2019 was when Durant got hurt.
Curry is perfect as a dual on ball and off ball threat and all the player movement enhances his gravity creating easy opportunities but can you imagine Curry’s counting stats if he spent his career being coached by this man lol. This guy opened it up for Nash to be two time mvp, Linsanity was a thing making a g leaguer look like one of the best in the league, and had harden averaging 35 8 and 8. Curry’s points created per attempt in pick and rolls and efficiency trumps those guys so it might have been a sight to behold. Then again New York probably would have found a way to tank it on him anyway.
i LOL'd irl when i looked up who they got instead.
It would have been great to see D’Antoni coach Steph but at the same time, James Dolan hasn’t earned the right to have that type of player in his franchise.
Do the what ifs Jj!!
Love how he acknowledge the 27 missed threes
Look, the universe was right and lets look forward as D'Antoni said. Steph was meant to be where he is, same for Draymond. Plenty of teams want day 1 and that's not a bad thing. Others see the future. It is what it is. I'm certainly not mad about it. I'm just glad that a player like Steph gets the freedom to be the talent that he is. Everything worked out as it should have.
Houston was never my favorite team but boy did I love to see CP3 and Harden together with D'Antoni
Steph shined on Golden State because of the playbook of Mark Jackson and Steve Kerr. Which are both Shooters so they created a shooting style of play.
I don't think they would have unleashed Steph's full potential w/o Dray and Klay. They just mix so well.
Even KD. I think the style of play he played on Golden State Fit him perfectly. On Brooklyn however he turned back into the Iso game of his OKC days.