@@johansmallberries9874 how does Leto get work, honestly ? What movie maker looks at him and says “yeah thats the guy we need to bring out the best in this character?” He just ruins projects.
The first Joker was indeed good. I thought it was going to be a drag but it was a thriller and i quite enjoyed it. This second movie tho... i'll just wait for it to arrive on a streaming platform.
It was a ripoff that coincidentally capitalised on the late 2010s incel-literally me zeitgeist. That's it. Overall, it was incredibly average and has been done better.
I'm starting to think some people in WB are moles intend to undercut the studio to chop it to pieces and get swallowed by other companies while they make bank on it. Because if you'd try to run a studio down this is how you would do it, devaluing what it owns and making constant flops. It's just one terrible production decision one after the other - terrifyingly bad woke video games, horrible woke tv series based on beloved characters like batwoman, continuing paying for AEW wrestling show for example.. Joker might have been intended as a flop by letting it have a r-rating, which is usually detrimental to theater releases and letting a relatively unknown author director make it a gloomy character story instead of a traditional comic book movie - It being actually successful and doing billion in the box office might have been an accidental success might have slowed down the intended decay of WB and they made sure to avoid it with this one.
100%. It was a Watchmen's Rorschach situation, where the guy ripping off A Taxi Driver didn't understand the audience or human nature at all, and got EXTREMELY mad once he realized that people liked the guy he wanted them to hate. Hence the humiliation ritual in the sequel.
One of the worst parts of this nightmare was the the ACTUAL MORAL of the story was "bow down to your betters like the dog you are. And here is what happens when you dont." It is actually disgusting.
That's my read too. They can't make a satisfying story anymore because they are afraid that would send a bad message to the worker bots whom they want to remain docile.
@@silentecho92able what they are really afraid of is that the worker bots will rise up which is why they had to make a movie which was bad on purpose in order to discourage the worker bots from thinking about disobedience.
@@themostbestwizard An that basically the problem by doing the opposite of not giving people what they want. They in turn cause problem on themselves, its like a Self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. An this movies commercial failure proves it. They lost money and made people unite against them at that. Its like what Joker said in the last movie. "You get what you f'ing deserve!"
Ironically that line would actually work better in a Joker movie than in that other film... I really liked the first joker so this broke my heart. I think they made it BECAUSE they realized that they had a kind of V for Vendetta thing going with Joker becoming a symbol of disobedience so they made this thing to remind people to be compliant. "Get to the back of the train!"
You can’t tell me they didn’t make this with contempt for the original when it ends with joker getting raped by cops and then murdered by some nobody. You just don’t write that kind of thing in without being extremely malicious
Reminds me of 'Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number', which concludes in a way that ensures that there will never be another sequel (barring a post-credits easter egg, which is clearly meant to be a joke). There's even a secret cutscene where Richard admonishes the player characters (and the player themselves) for hoping that there's an alternate ending.
@@ryanm.8720 Even then HM2'S ending is consistent with the themes of the games and a natural conclusion to what the earlier games were trying to say (their anti-war, anti-violence themes ironically). Even when Richard is talking to the characters about how silly is to desire another ending it's within tne context of the series and the theme of violence and the result of violence. It's one of the better examples of "subverting expectations" because it's done in favor of the story instead of just inspidid messaging, unlike others...
“Our movie about a lonely outcast guy did really well and resonated with audiences. Let’s make sure to let those people know they are lonely outcasts by shitting on them in the next movie.”
Yup. The first was meant to stigmatize lonely men "see they're all possibly dangerous murder psychos" However it made him sympathetic on accident. So the director made this to try and fix his mistake of the first film
True and it was a expensive L. A huge majority of us knew they couldn't resist shitting on the success of the 1st and didn't even waste our time or money going to watch it.
@@ryanpeck3377 Dafuq? Arthur was even more sympathetic in this sequel. He longed for love and forced the Joker facade once again just to get some more. Then, he actually saw the ugliness and uselesness of his persona via Gary's testimony and the events that followed that day, so his humanity actually showed by him rejecting The Joker moniker. That was actually somewhat heroic (a true sociopath maniac like Ramirez or Bundy would have fully embraced the attention and never gotten sensitively affected by the repercusions). In Arthur's case, him reverting to The Joker persona was just a coping mechanism to seem cooler than he actually is, he never intended for it that way, but given it turned out that way, he exploited the context for clout. Once he saw it was no longer truly fulfilling for him, he did the right thing by rejecting that persona, showing us deep down he still was a decent human being. Maybe it is preachy, pretentious or anti-climatic, I can give you that, but calling it "less sympathetic" is objectively wrong.
@@lakshaykochhar6799 An American daytime TV slop "commentary" show that claimed that solar eclipses and earthquakes are somehow caused by climate change. True genius.
In the age of "sympathy for the villain" entertainment (Cruella, the future Puppy Slayer, comes to mind), they punish you for having sympathy for the villain. Well, I guess Arthur wasn't an empowered girlboss breaking away from the shackles of pesky things like morality, a conscience, and the patriarchy, so he wasn't justified in his actions.
In what ways is the audience punished? By watching him die? If you consider that punishment I suggest you lay off the tv because you're gonna get more punished than a swedish stepchild
Honestly, this is one of the biggest issues with the whole “sympathy of the villain” theme in movies, especially with Joker. Because while the 2019 movie had its pros, I can’t ignore its flaws. As giving Arthur Fleck/Joker a reason to be Joker, is both the movie's strength, but also its weakness. Because, while a majority of Batman/Gotham lore goes into great detail about the pathologies of his rogue’s gallery of villains, explaining what made them resort to their messed-up actions, with Joker's case, what makes him work is that he DOESN'T really have a pathology, let alone is suppose to have one. Sure, he has certain traits such as his obsession with circuses/comedy, his sadistic sense of humor, and his distaste for people not understanding what he's doing (“It’s part of the joke!”). But why Joker is a psychopathic clown is never really explained or really even hinted at, even in The Killing Joke, which Joker (2019) was inspired by, but this was THE WHOLE POINT. He was written as less of a fleshed out character and more of a manifestation of evil itself. A good example of someone like this too, is Judge Holden (Blood Meridian). Someone who's beyond logic or explanation, not a puzzle that can be solved. He just is who he is. Batman literally calls him out for this when he makes his argument about “One Bad Day”. Therefore, adding in so much sympathy to the character, strips from him this disturbing ambiguity, contradicting the entire essence of his character. It doesn’t even help to that the Director stated how he was inspired by a similar movie The King of Comedy. But those who have seen that movie would actually understand the fact that the main character, Rupert isn’t really all that sympathetic. Sure he has a plan and motivation, which may be some can be empathetic about. The dude is narcissistic, disturbed, and kind of psychotic with the way he’s going about what he’s doing. As well as the fact that the people who comes across, call him out for his dishonesty, him claiming to the contrary, which leads for us the audience to wonder whether or not he’s even telling the truth or not. Just like most unreliable narrators. So to see the sequel, try to downplay all this, instead of trying to find a way to work around it to actually make sure that we see that Arthur is 100% in the wrong of his actions, but is already far gone, really feels like the reason the sequel shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
Canonically, Harley is Jokers' psychiatrist who agreed with him for some reason and got dragged down to his level... They could have made it so that Harley sees his reasoning and slowly goes crazy around him, while also her rationalizing his actions as a psychiatrist makes him worse. It ends with Joker becoming the monster from the comics who no longer needs rationalizing to murder, while Harley sinks, as she cant deal with the reality she made a monster, developing a co-dependancy on him, hoping one day she can make things right. Its a tragedy
The hatred this film felt for the original audience is almost like an actual attack on them. The actual brain rot that affected the writers from articles written by blue hair biddies needs to be studied and vetted by the scientific community for decades to come.
I dont get how these companies spend 100's of millions on advertising but you might only get a trailor or two a month or two before release. Somebody is really filling their pockets
My Grandmother always told me, "i dont care what they tell you in school - Lady Gaga won three oscars for her role in Joker 2 in the greatest performance in human history"
The original Joker was a symbol of disobedience so they made this film in an attempt to scare people back into obedience. I don't often say this (since even bad movies can be enjoyed ironically) but the world would be a better place if this film had never been made.
No it wouldn't. The world forgot that movie the day it was released. When something has no impact, nothing is either better or worse for it having existed.
No, it would not have made the world a better place. 2 Timothy 3:1-7, 13 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. ...13 *But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.* Matthew 24:37-39 37 *But as the days of Noah were,* so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Genesis 6:5-8 5 And God saw that the *wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.* 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. 2 Peter 3:3-9 3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 *For this they willingly are ignorant of,* that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
@@brockdavid Phillips has already proven that he's good at ripping off other movies so why not? Unironically a Natural Born Killers knock off would've been a thousand times better than this 138 minutes long shitshow.
Puddles scene was so out of pocket: Arthur said he was the only one who treated him good, he spared him and let go, and here Arthur flips 180 and tells Puddles is just as bad as everyone wlse
This, I only watched a small part of the scene, but seeing Arthur bully Puddles like this... no, that's genuinely not canon. He always liked him, he kissed him on the forehead before letting him go and semi-excused himself for making him witness the murder. Then suddenly in J2 he mocks him? Treats the entire thing like a twisted joke? Arthur would never do that, period.
That was magnificent....but not as grand as when Harley screamed "I can do this all day" and drove the DeLorean at 88mph into Mount Doom, and used her photon torpedoes to destroy Voldemort and save Gallifrey from the Cylons. Truly spectacular....
It's clear that Todd Phillips was deliberately and decisively crafting this movie to not be good. He shows that he knows the composition of the scenes to make them resonate amd you can see him make the choice to ruin and undermine it. This movie could have been a masterpiece in the hands of someone who doesn't hate the fact that it was popular with the wrong set of people. Another odd thing I noticed, the people who like Joker 2, are people with imposter syndrome, people who have put on a mask that people love, but whose true identities are behind that mask. Influencers.
My favorite part was when joker was standing on top of the burning Arkham asylum and said: “when will the dark knight RISE” “Is Batman going to begin NOW” everyone cheered.
Favorite quote from the movie: "The Joker, this courtroom is NO PLACE for your HATE SPEECH. You are sentenced to 500 years of rape in dirty asylum, GLORY TO WAKANDA, REST IN POWER MURRAY."
The Virgin Todd Phillips: The moral of this movie is that you shouldn't have liked or sympathized with Arthur in the first movie. The Chad Legendary Dork Knight: The moral of the movie is actually that if you don't stand up for yourself and let some crazy bimbo sway you from your convictions and resolve, you'll be miserable and die an unceremonious, meaningless death.
He really did demonstrate that to comply is to d**. He merely showed us that obedience will never be rewarded. In destroying the character, they solidified the themes in the first movie -- you can't negotiate with terrorists -- even if they happen to be the system you live within.
Warner Exec "Hi Todd, The Joker made a shit ton of money. We want you to make a sequel." Todd "I don't do sequels." Warner Exec "May I draw your attention to the contract you signed?" Todd "Fine. I will make a courtroom musical." Warner Exec "Great! When can you start?" Todd "Are you serious?"
The way Todd Philipps wasted an unique opportunity of total artistic freedom with a 200 Mio budget is just despicable. The epitome of decadence. As the Despot pointed out - it kills further opportunities for aspiring filmmakers. It's like the intentional bad equivalent to Heaven's Gate.
Your concept for Joker: Folie à Three (time stamp 38:14) with the emo rock covers of 90s boy band songs was amazing. If the trailer you made at 38:28 isn’t already a stand-alone video, it should be.
The elevator music track 70 is just an old song called Close To You by Carpenters/Richard Chamberlain. It's not elevator music, it's a COVER made to sound more like elevator music.
Actually first joker was his outlier. He is literally dude who was spewing some esg-aligned brainrot on the Oscars so it was obvious he is terrible actor with terrible ideologies.
Joker: Folley a Three should focus on Brendon Gleason as his prison guard character over all the rogues gallery in Arkham. Check, please, Warner Brothers!
I'm pretty sure that quite a large part of the hate for this movie is because the first one was so brilliant. "Joker" gave us all hope that there are actually still talented writers and directors left in Hollywood. And then the studio decided to do a completly unneccesary sequel that nobody asked for in a naked money grab attempt and to top it off they did an awful job.
The fact that this made more than Transformers One, a much better film that sadly also flopped because Paramount failed to market it properly, baffles me. That $200 million it “made” should’ve gone to Transformers One instead. I highly recommend this film. It has great action, beautiful animation, a great score, and an amazing story that outshines this film.
1:30 You'd think after the last 100 or so programs that have attacked their audience and bombed spectacularly, the directors of this movie would be smart enough to realize that tactic doesn't work.
@@Jodie-G198 The message is not what you think it is, and the activist writers are merely disposable, useful idiots to get the message across. The message is "reject Liberal Marxist ideologies" and return to Conservative ideologies. It's classic reverse psychology and most people are too caught up in the "us versus them" paradigm to see it. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. From BBC Arts In Munich, Adolf Hitler staged two exhibitions which defined the way we think about modern art. The Great German Art show displayed the artists he approved of, *the Degenerate Art show displayed the artists he despised.* In these two exhibitions, mounted side by side in adjacent galleries, *the battle lines were drawn between traditionalism and modernism.* It’s a battle that’s still being fought today. Do you like art that’s realistic and reassuring? Or do you prefer art that’s experimental or disturbing? Maybe you like a bit of both - in which case, you’re like a lot of people who went to see these shows. *The Nazis wanted people to see both shows, but they didn’t want people to make up their own minds. The idea was to see the Degenerate Art show, and see how German art had been debased* - and then see the Great German Art show, and see how the Nazis has redeemed it. You are meant to compare traditional Hollywood to the "modern audience" (Cultural Marxist) art and come to the conclusion that Liberals have debased art and that it is in need of redemption. (Along with the economy, academia, religion, corporations and politics under Liberal control.) "Bread and circuses" (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to *superficial appeasement.* It is attributed to Juvenal (Satires, Satire X), a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century AD, and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts. In a political context, the phrase means to generate public approval, *not by excellence* in public service or public policy, but by diversion, distraction, *or by satisfying the most immediate or base requirements* of a populace, by offering a palliative: for example food (bread) or entertainment (circuses). Juvenal originally used it to decry the "selfishness" of common people and their neglect of wider concerns. The phrase implies a population's erosion or ignorance of civic duty as a priority. ---As we have seen time and time again, these entertainment corporations are supplying superficial appeasement to the small, vocal minority. A quality product doesn't matter as long as it has "representation" and "owns the Conservatives". The woke leftists are probably some of the most entitled, selfish, self-absorbed people alive today, keeping in line with Juvenal's observations. This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirical poet Juvenal (c. 100 AD). In context, the Latin panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining interest of a Roman populace that no longer cares for its historical birthright of political involvement. ---The "woke" leftists demonize the past and want no part of it. Their political involvement is usually little more than posturing on social media instead of actually doing anything. Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as *costly circus games and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power.* The earliest known Annona (the gift of free or subsidised grain to nominated citizens) was begun under the instigation of the aristocratic politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BC. The annona remained an object of political contention until it was taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors. ---By appearances, it would seem Leftists in the media, politics and corporations are trying to gain political power by appealing to a small, vocal minority of people (specially nominated citizens who are allowed to fail upwards, for example). And wouldn't you know it, Liberals are quite fond of giving handouts to certain people if it means they can gain more power. As it was with Rome and Germany, the only way this is going to end is with a Dictator coming to power to "restore order". The man chosen by the Roman Catholic Church, Donald John Trump (descendant of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne), is that Dictator. The sad part about all of this is most of his cultists are just as clueless as the woke, Liberal activists who will be eliminated once he comes to power. Even when the guillotines are brought out into the streets, they will see it as a good thing and not the atrocity is really will be.
I've seen so many idiots defend this trash by essentially invoking Death of the Author or something among those lines, like they pretend the first movie never happened and it makes the second one great. It doesn't.
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This level of failure comes from either spite from the director to the studio forcing him to make a movie or the higher ups trying to humiliate young men who liked the first movie.
I am not a hater of musicals. Like, most Disney renaissance films were musicals. In those, the music is used to further the plot. But in Joker 2, the songs and dances are entirely irrelevant to furthering the story(or lack there was). And, there's no original music...in a musical film. Like, for real?
I mentioned this in Despot's _Marvels_ movie review, that musicals are very tricky to pull off in live-action format because of how the suspension of disbelief is different from that format to animated movies and the actual stage. Also, musicals made of covers are called "jukebox musicals" and that isn't a bad format if done right. _Singin' in the Rain_ is one, and the songs are well-integrated in the stories that it works.
I think the problem lies in the fact that modern authors do not understand that there is a big difference between what you CAN add and what SHOULD and SHOULD NOT be added. P.S. Lady Gaga's invitation itself was a dead giveaway, at least, for me. She couldn't handle the role in "American Horror Story" i.e. series for housewives. If this is to big of a task for her, what can we say about the “arthouse” with which this film is trying to larp as.
In general, I'm tired of movies getting praised for their score when that score consists in the main of nostalgia bait songs from the 80s-00s. It's fine once in a while, but for the most part it's gotten stale.
I did go and try to warn people, the moment you see Gaga there it's all over and it'll be crap but no one listened, everyone said I was crazy and it'd be brilliant. I even made a bet with people saying "if it doesn't make Harley better off and makes Arthur look like a loser, I'd apologise." but if it did those things, they had to apologise. Guess what I haven't got yet?
The moment I heard Gaga was playing Harley, I wrote the movie off. I knew there was absolutely no possibility whatsoever that some pop "music" facilitator could or would play Harley's real character, let alone any character of substance at all.
@@EntrEsprit I only said that at the start to lead into the "I made a bet with people it'd be crap and if I was wrong I'd apologise, but if I was right they had to." bit. It's just me being a bit of a smug ass I know most normal people saw it and thought it'd be bad. lol
Joker 2 was such a steaming pile. It makes me want to weep sometimes. I start thinking about the amount of money they waste. Money that could help millions of people. But these fools keep dumping hundreds of millions of dollars on flop after flop. It’s truly insane
Once Joker 1 finished, the studio locked everyone involved in a reeducation facility, and after clock-working everyones orange, the crew was unleashed along their bitterness and disappointment which then got channeled into this movie.
The first movie was very dangerous movie to the powers that be ! A lonely white male, cast out from society in a world that doesn’t care about him or give any chance of his life turning the corner, slowly filling with rage and becoming ready to strike back at the system that’s ignored him ! …….. He’s supposed to be the villain but people can relate to him and understand his struggle! When he lashes out, others don’t recoil…..they take inspiration from him and it could birth a movement that completely destroys the corrupt, sleazy and cruel system the elites have built ! They could not allow this ! So they destroyed him, it’s very similar to current society and people who’ve had enough needing to be silenced 🔕
Imagine the hubris it takes to think your movie will change the world in any way. In the West, has any movie been taken that seriously by most of a demographic (that matters)? Can you imagine our boy Todd, "My first movie started a revolutionary fervor of men deciding to do something about a culture that hates them like I hate them. I need to give the middle finger to all my customers of the first film but I need to do it in a way that associates me with one of the biggest flops in history so all my friends know I saved the world!" Imagine Timmy-boy with the fevered ego-sweats as he squeezes out the mutant creature they call a "screenplay" from his inflamed poop chute. When he finished, you can picture the smirk of "duper's delight" plastered on his face -- and it remained so until the day this misbegotten crime against art hit theaters. Directors really do be huffing their own fahrts.
@@michaeldavid6832 A movie alone could not do anything but something is growing in the West, people cannot vote for change, have been ignored for decades and reject the narritive thats been pushed on us for so long by so few.......... things are changing, a movie, a riot, a spark, a flame, a song ........ we are being united in our rejection of whats being forced on us !
That's an interesting way of putting it. And I agree with those that say Joker 2 was meant to undercut the first (from how they explain it). Instead of doing that, the director, producers or writers should've said we do not need to root for the main character. I feel too many people forget that. Death Note (anime) is one of my favorite shows, because I understand where the villain protagonist is coming from, and his extremist view of "justice" made me question my own views. Villain protagonists have a lot of positive potential ironically. Sure, there're edgy teens out there that think he is right, but when you let a story unfold, and let the audience come to their own conclusions, you do not have to fear indorsing evil. Most people have brains. Joker 2 could've shown where Arthur went wrong, instead of turning him into even more of a loser.
A movie, as good as it be, can't change anything. If people want to change something, they must do it themselves. The ruling class divided society so well, that it makes it impossible to do something. This is why identity politics exist. This why everything is extreme. It's all by design.
If Todd Philips wanted a joker that nobody would emulate, Jared Leto was absolutely available.
Honestly... his over top performance could've gotten us some memes, at least.
@@johansmallberries9874 how does Leto get work, honestly ? What movie maker looks at him and says “yeah thats the guy we need to bring out the best in this character?” He just ruins projects.
"The Worst Movie of 2024... so far."
This movie really lets you feel like a murdered clown, 10/10.
Art the clown was the one to do it 🤡
@@Sousabird Actually that's the point, unironically.
Somehow Palpatine returned
Joker 2 is essentially a twitter reply in movie form.
I knew this movie would be pretentious and full of itself as soon as I saw what they named the movie.
Shouldah been called, ‘Joker 2 THE RETURN OF THE MUDDYAFWUGGAH!’ Tell me that title wouldn’t have gotten you at the front seat, COME ON! LIE TO ME!
Should have been named Infinite Jest
What made no sense is that Arthur is allowed to go into the room with all the people singing.
He murdered people.
That's show business. You're not allowed to accrue easy wealth and keep your soul. The entertainment industry is evil.
@@GrandpaLink I think it was probably a lesbian close to the producer, but your theory is just as likely.
I will never not laugh at the way you Ulsterman pronounce the word ‘now’ ❤
I get the distinct impression that the first Joker movie was accidentally good.
The first Joker was indeed good. I thought it was going to be a drag but it was a thriller and i quite enjoyed it. This second movie tho... i'll just wait for it to arrive on a streaming platform.
It was, it’s a shameless rip off of king of comedy that uses the Batman mythos as a cover
It was a ripoff that coincidentally capitalised on the late 2010s incel-literally me zeitgeist. That's it. Overall, it was incredibly average and has been done better.
I'm starting to think some people in WB are moles intend to undercut the studio to chop it to pieces and get swallowed by other companies while they make bank on it. Because if you'd try to run a studio down this is how you would do it, devaluing what it owns and making constant flops. It's just one terrible production decision one after the other - terrifyingly bad woke video games, horrible woke tv series based on beloved characters like batwoman, continuing paying for AEW wrestling show for example..
Joker might have been intended as a flop by letting it have a r-rating, which is usually detrimental to theater releases and letting a relatively unknown author director make it a gloomy character story instead of a traditional comic book movie - It being actually successful and doing billion in the box office might have been an accidental success might have slowed down the intended decay of WB and they made sure to avoid it with this one.
100%. It was a Watchmen's Rorschach situation, where the guy ripping off A Taxi Driver didn't understand the audience or human nature at all, and got EXTREMELY mad once he realized that people liked the guy he wanted them to hate. Hence the humiliation ritual in the sequel.
One of the worst parts of this nightmare was the the ACTUAL MORAL of the story was "bow down to your betters like the dog you are. And here is what happens when you dont." It is actually disgusting.
That's my read too. They can't make a satisfying story anymore because they are afraid that would send a bad message to the worker bots whom they want to remain docile.
@@themostbestwizard An they are wondering why the worker bots continue to break away with every stupid decision they make.
@@silentecho92able what they are really afraid of is that the worker bots will rise up which is why they had to make a movie which was bad on purpose in order to discourage the worker bots from thinking about disobedience.
@@themostbestwizard An that basically the problem by doing the opposite of not giving people what they want. They in turn cause problem on themselves, its like a Self-fulfilling prophecy in a way.
An this movies commercial failure proves it. They lost money and made people unite against them at that. Its like what Joker said in the last movie. "You get what you f'ing deserve!"
@@themostbestwizard lol, who is "they"?
When Joker said "You think you're so great because you have BOATS", I gave a standing ovation. Pure nectar.
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Ironically that line would actually work better in a Joker movie than in that other film...
I really liked the first joker so this broke my heart. I think they made it BECAUSE they realized that they had a kind of V for Vendetta thing going with Joker becoming a symbol of disobedience so they made this thing to remind people to be compliant.
"Get to the back of the train!"
When Joker said to Art the Clown: "You think you're so great because you made DOE!"
Then the judge threw the gavel at him and screamed: This is Wakanda!
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You can’t tell me they didn’t make this with contempt for the original when it ends with joker getting raped by cops and then murdered by some nobody. You just don’t write that kind of thing in without being extremely malicious
Reminds me of 'Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number', which concludes in a way that ensures that there will never be another sequel (barring a post-credits easter egg, which is clearly meant to be a joke). There's even a secret cutscene where Richard admonishes the player characters (and the player themselves) for hoping that there's an alternate ending.
@@ryanm.8720 Even then HM2'S ending is consistent with the themes of the games and a natural conclusion to what the earlier games were trying to say (their anti-war, anti-violence themes ironically). Even when Richard is talking to the characters about how silly is to desire another ending it's within tne context of the series and the theme of violence and the result of violence. It's one of the better examples of "subverting expectations" because it's done in favor of the story instead of just inspidid messaging, unlike others...
Yeah, this movie is a very mean-spirited F you to the audience.
@@ryanm.8720 still a banger of a game though.
Yeah, the film famously never cast Arthur as a victim. You're so right.
“Our movie about a lonely outcast guy did really well and resonated with audiences. Let’s make sure to let those people know they are lonely outcasts by shitting on them in the next movie.”
Yup. The first was meant to stigmatize lonely men "see they're all possibly dangerous murder psychos" However it made him sympathetic on accident. So the director made this to try and fix his mistake of the first film
True and it was a expensive L. A huge majority of us knew they couldn't resist shitting on the success of the 1st and didn't even waste our time or money going to watch it.
Then that one film from DreamWorks is gonna be a solution that lol.
*Our movie about a lonely outcast guy getting shit on and losing it...
@@ryanpeck3377 Dafuq? Arthur was even more sympathetic in this sequel. He longed for love and forced the Joker facade once again just to get some more. Then, he actually saw the ugliness and uselesness of his persona via Gary's testimony and the events that followed that day, so his humanity actually showed by him rejecting The Joker moniker.
That was actually somewhat heroic (a true sociopath maniac like Ramirez or Bundy would have fully embraced the attention and never gotten sensitively affected by the repercusions). In Arthur's case, him reverting to The Joker persona was just a coping mechanism to seem cooler than he actually is, he never intended for it that way, but given it turned out that way, he exploited the context for clout. Once he saw it was no longer truly fulfilling for him, he did the right thing by rejecting that persona, showing us deep down he still was a decent human being.
Maybe it is preachy, pretentious or anti-climatic, I can give you that, but calling it "less sympathetic" is objectively wrong.
I haven't seen a career damaged this badly by a movie since Sydney Sweeney in Madam Web.
I didnt even walk in so I didnt have to walk out.
Bro is playing 4d chess
The other were playing checkers while you were playing chess
This is the way.
The only winning move.
Problem Solver.
Modern Hollywood seems to be allergic to creating good media.
Joker 2 is The View sitting around a table critiquing Joker.
And stopping every 5 minutes to listen to one of Grandma's old records.
@@DespotofAntrimha!
@@DespotofAntrimIf only
Dare I ask, what is "The View"?
@@lakshaykochhar6799 An American daytime TV slop "commentary" show that claimed that solar eclipses and earthquakes are somehow caused by climate change. True genius.
phillips making 20$ million is disgraceful…
Joker 3: Ménage e Trois
This dreck of a sequel was on purpose, Hollywood continues to suck.
In the age of "sympathy for the villain" entertainment (Cruella, the future Puppy Slayer, comes to mind), they punish you for having sympathy for the villain. Well, I guess Arthur wasn't an empowered girlboss breaking away from the shackles of pesky things like morality, a conscience, and the patriarchy, so he wasn't justified in his actions.
yes, they don't want you to feel sympathy for the villain, they want you to feel sympathy for the female villains
In what ways is the audience punished? By watching him die? If you consider that punishment I suggest you lay off the tv because you're gonna get more punished than a swedish stepchild
Duh, That sympathy only works for women and minorities you bigot! Not white males 😡😡
The joker was a white straight male.He is at the bottom of the intersectional totem pole and so you should not empathize with him.That is leftism 101.
Honestly, this is one of the biggest issues with the whole “sympathy of the villain” theme in movies, especially with Joker. Because while the 2019 movie had its pros, I can’t ignore its flaws. As giving Arthur Fleck/Joker a reason to be Joker, is both the movie's strength, but also its weakness.
Because, while a majority of Batman/Gotham lore goes into great detail about the pathologies of his rogue’s gallery of villains, explaining what made them resort to their messed-up actions, with Joker's case, what makes him work is that he DOESN'T really have a pathology, let alone is suppose to have one. Sure, he has certain traits such as his obsession with circuses/comedy, his sadistic sense of humor, and his distaste for people not understanding what he's doing (“It’s part of the joke!”). But why Joker is a psychopathic clown is never really explained or really even hinted at, even in The Killing Joke, which Joker (2019) was inspired by, but this was THE WHOLE POINT. He was written as less of a fleshed out character and more of a manifestation of evil itself. A good example of someone like this too, is Judge Holden (Blood Meridian). Someone who's beyond logic or explanation, not a puzzle that can be solved. He just is who he is. Batman literally calls him out for this when he makes his argument about “One Bad Day”.
Therefore, adding in so much sympathy to the character, strips from him this disturbing ambiguity, contradicting the entire essence of his character.
It doesn’t even help to that the Director stated how he was inspired by a similar movie The King of Comedy. But those who have seen that movie would actually understand the fact that the main character, Rupert isn’t really all that sympathetic. Sure he has a plan and motivation, which may be some can be empathetic about. The dude is narcissistic, disturbed, and kind of psychotic with the way he’s going about what he’s doing. As well as the fact that the people who comes across, call him out for his dishonesty, him claiming to the contrary, which leads for us the audience to wonder whether or not he’s even telling the truth or not. Just like most unreliable narrators.
So to see the sequel, try to downplay all this, instead of trying to find a way to work around it to actually make sure that we see that Arthur is 100% in the wrong of his actions, but is already far gone, really feels like the reason the sequel shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
Moment Harley started as a lunatic and took away the therapist and patient relationship I knew it was gonna bomb
Working at a movie theater, the release of joker 2 was quite a nice break for me as nobody came to see it.
Lol
Isn't it like that with most movies nowadays?
Sorry to hear it.
@@EwanWright31you'd be surprised. Godzilla movies were full. The wild robot was pretty full.
What do theaters even do when a movie flops?
Canonically, Harley is Jokers' psychiatrist who agreed with him for some reason and got dragged down to his level... They could have made it so that Harley sees his reasoning and slowly goes crazy around him, while also her rationalizing his actions as a psychiatrist makes him worse. It ends with Joker becoming the monster from the comics who no longer needs rationalizing to murder, while Harley sinks, as she cant deal with the reality she made a monster, developing a co-dependancy on him, hoping one day she can make things right. Its a tragedy
The hatred this film felt for the original audience is almost like an actual attack on them. The actual brain rot that affected the writers from articles written by blue hair biddies needs to be studied and vetted by the scientific community for decades to come.
Then, go watch The Wild Robot right now! either be on cinemas or on Digital media!
It has a heart and soul within with a touching story!
@@AnimationFanboy2k4if I ever watch that it's gonna be via piracy, I refuse to give any Disney affiliate money
"Blue haired biddies" is quite a nice phrase
@@yeetthegargantuanleviathan6216 That's not from Disney.
@@AnimationFanboy2k4 i said Disney affiliate, I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure the studio that made that movie is under disney
I dont get how these companies spend 100's of millions on advertising but you might only get a trailor or two a month or two before release. Somebody is really filling their pockets
the ending?
-joker dies
Who kill him?
-someguy i guess?
PERFECT
🖐 _Absolute Cinema_ 🖐
It's so awkward as well because that guy gets no lines before the end, just two very random shots through the whole film.
11:46 I can't breathe
My Grandmother always told me, "i dont care what they tell you in school - Lady Gaga won three oscars for her role in Joker 2 in the greatest performance in human history"
....and she was black.
My grandma also told me that lady Gaga was black, and I completely believe her without proper research
Damn...LOL 😂
And then everyone clapped
My father always told me, be careful who you love, don't go around breaking lone girls hearts...
Jokes on them they get no money from me 🏴☠️
The original Joker was a symbol of disobedience so they made this film in an attempt to scare people back into obedience.
I don't often say this (since even bad movies can be enjoyed ironically) but the world would be a better place if this film had never been made.
No it wouldn't. The world forgot that movie the day it was released. When something has no impact, nothing is either better or worse for it having existed.
The original wasn't supposed to be that. It was supposed to stigmatize lonely men even more. But the director accidentally made him sympathetic.
Mediocrity is fashionable now
@@yurikendal4868It isn't that mediocrity is fashionable now. It's that mediocrity is what this species has always been.
No, it would not have made the world a better place.
2 Timothy 3:1-7, 13
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
...13 *But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.*
Matthew 24:37-39
37 *But as the days of Noah were,* so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Genesis 6:5-8
5 And God saw that the *wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.*
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
2 Peter 3:3-9
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 *For this they willingly are ignorant of,* that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Follie of doo doo
This movie is Todd Phillips' humiliation ritual
"Please Masters! I have repented for giving the Chuds an icon! Let me back in the Diddy Parties!"
@@randomcenturion7264 lmmfmfmfaoaoaoaoao
All Todd Phillips had to do was do a comic book version of ‘Natural Born Killers,’ and everyone would have thought he was a genius.
@@brockdavid Phillips has already proven that he's good at ripping off other movies so why not? Unironically a Natural Born Killers knock off would've been a thousand times better than this 138 minutes long shitshow.
I DUNT CUR 🗣️🗣️🗣️
VERY disappointed there wasn't more singing about feelings from the Despot.
ya lol very disappointed
"I deun't kerr" -Despot of Antrim
Puddles scene was so out of pocket: Arthur said he was the only one who treated him good, he spared him and let go, and here Arthur flips 180 and tells Puddles is just as bad as everyone wlse
This, I only watched a small part of the scene, but seeing Arthur bully Puddles like this... no, that's genuinely not canon. He always liked him, he kissed him on the forehead before letting him go and semi-excused himself for making him witness the murder. Then suddenly in J2 he mocks him? Treats the entire thing like a twisted joke? Arthur would never do that, period.
@dwight3555 Yeah, it made no sense. This movie tries so hard to ruin everything from the first movie.
Arthur is trying to be “Joker”. He also didn’t tell Puddles that he was bad.
@mattwetfloorproductions did you watch the same movie? He literally said something along the lines of "you're just like the rest of them"
@@mattwetfloorproductions and he was being Joker already when he murmured the other guy and let Puddles walk away
I snuck into the theater and still walked out of this shit
The fact that studios still allow themselves to be talked out of test screenings is incredible.
2:50 That change up, bruh... 💀
My favourite part of the movie was when joker said: “I’m all the Jedi” and then killed kingpin and rode off with maya into the sunset
That was magnificent....but not as grand as when Harley screamed "I can do this all day" and drove the DeLorean at 88mph into Mount Doom, and used her photon torpedoes to destroy Voldemort and save Gallifrey from the Cylons. Truly spectacular....
If River were still alive today, he probably would've done a better job acting than Joaquin did.
The missing part of the movie was OBVIOUSLY having the Joker's reflection reflected at himself.....
I don't follow lol
@@aaronblank2318 Something something "Reflection of myself, reflection of myself. I'm Arthur, and I'm a clown."
Thank you, Mr. Reflection.
@@aaronblank2318 tbh me neither, but Mr. Reflection insists on this crap 😎
that intro was everything. Despot the majestic
It's clear that Todd Phillips was deliberately and decisively crafting this movie to not be good. He shows that he knows the composition of the scenes to make them resonate amd you can see him make the choice to ruin and undermine it. This movie could have been a masterpiece in the hands of someone who doesn't hate the fact that it was popular with the wrong set of people.
Another odd thing I noticed, the people who like Joker 2, are people with imposter syndrome, people who have put on a mask that people love, but whose true identities are behind that mask. Influencers.
There is no good faith reason to like this
So it is the DC version of TLJ.
I think this movie could have worked if they had pretty much just copied "Sid and Nancy"
due imagine Tailor Swift in Joker 3
The first movie was such a great character study, ending with the actual Joker being a criminal genius with an army of clowns
My favorite part was when joker was standing on top of the burning Arkham asylum and said: “when will the dark knight RISE” “Is Batman going to begin NOW” everyone cheered.
He's been waiting... Forever
@@timhicks8221 For the day Batman Returns.
Man the first movie even LOOKS better
Favorite quote from the movie: "The Joker, this courtroom is NO PLACE for your HATE SPEECH. You are sentenced to 500 years of rape in dirty asylum, GLORY TO WAKANDA, REST IN POWER MURRAY."
28:09 holy shit that was pure hatred I love it
If this movie ends the "age of subverting expectations" and Gaga's movie career, it was worth $200m.
True.
Ain't our money, so it's definitely worth 👍🏽
They tailored the script for her.
Not sure about the later, but hell yeah! for the former part.
@@lakshaykochhar6799 She has done better making music, i think atleast thats something generally agreed on.
I literally never knew Amandas song had lyrics to it until this video.
The Virgin Todd Phillips: The moral of this movie is that you shouldn't have liked or sympathized with Arthur in the first movie.
The Chad Legendary Dork Knight: The moral of the movie is actually that if you don't stand up for yourself and let some crazy bimbo sway you from your convictions and resolve, you'll be miserable and die an unceremonious, meaningless death.
He really did demonstrate that to comply is to d**. He merely showed us that obedience will never be rewarded. In destroying the character, they solidified the themes in the first movie -- you can't negotiate with terrorists -- even if they happen to be the system you live within.
It did not need a part 2.
"You think you're so great because you have BOATS"
- Arthur "Joker" Fleck
I’m surprised that no one has made a “BOATS and H0s” remix with Arthur Fleck Napoleon
Warner Exec "Hi Todd, The Joker made a shit ton of money. We want you to make a sequel."
Todd "I don't do sequels."
Warner Exec "May I draw your attention to the contract you signed?"
Todd "Fine. I will make a courtroom musical."
Warner Exec "Great! When can you start?"
Todd "Are you serious?"
The way Todd Philipps wasted an unique opportunity of total artistic freedom with a 200 Mio budget is just despicable. The epitome of decadence.
As the Despot pointed out - it kills further opportunities for aspiring filmmakers. It's like the intentional bad equivalent to Heaven's Gate.
Your concept for Joker: Folie à Three (time stamp 38:14) with the emo rock covers of 90s boy band songs was amazing. If the trailer you made at 38:28 isn’t already a stand-alone video, it should be.
The use of out-of-context Tongue-out-Comodus for every Phoenix flop thumbnail is just hilarious.
Agreed
It always is.
"BOATS!"
@@Jodie-G198 now I'm gonna hear that every time I see tongue-out-Comodus...
The elevator music track 70 is just an old song called Close To You by Carpenters/Richard Chamberlain. It's not elevator music, it's a COVER made to sound more like elevator music.
WTF world are we living in where the Crow remake is barely in the running for worst movie of the year
Ugh, please don't remind me of that abomination. 😫
R.I.P. to the true Crow and Joker
Beating Borderlands and Madam Web... Absolutely stunning achievement.
Joaquin is on a roll, he butchered both Napoleon and Joker in one year, quite an accomplishment.
Actually first joker was his outlier. He is literally dude who was spewing some esg-aligned brainrot on the Oscars so it was obvious he is terrible actor with terrible ideologies.
Don’t forget ‘Beau is Afraid’. Made $11mil on a $35mil budget and sitting at a solid 6/10 rating.
Joker: Folley a Three should focus on Brendon Gleason as his prison guard character over all the rogues gallery in Arkham. Check, please, Warner Brothers!
Joker 1 Low budget - Profits Over a billion dollars
Joker 2 High Budget - It will earn less than it cost :D
🤣geriatric cocktail lounge cliches…so true
I'm pretty sure that quite a large part of the hate for this movie is because the first one was so brilliant. "Joker" gave us all hope that there are actually still talented writers and directors left in Hollywood. And then the studio decided to do a completly unneccesary sequel that nobody asked for in a naked money grab attempt and to top it off they did an awful job.
they even dragged Daniel Johnston music into this, now I hate this movie
The fact that this made more than Transformers One, a much better film that sadly also flopped because Paramount failed to market it properly, baffles me.
That $200 million it “made” should’ve gone to Transformers One instead.
I highly recommend this film. It has great action, beautiful animation, a great score, and an amazing story that outshines this film.
Warner Bros try make anything successful challenge (impossible)
"Joker 2 is overrated"
There's a rating below rock bottom?
It's a pretty fantastic year for pretty terrible movies.
1:30 You'd think after the last 100 or so programs that have attacked their audience and bombed spectacularly, the directors of this movie would be smart enough to realize that tactic doesn't work.
"It's not about the money, it's about sending a message."
@@Jodie-G198 "Everything Sucks"
@@thefanwithoutaface8105as a certain Disney darling said it "it's Hollywood, Baby!"
jews gunna jew
@@Jodie-G198 The message is not what you think it is, and the activist writers are merely disposable, useful idiots to get the message across.
The message is "reject Liberal Marxist ideologies" and return to Conservative ideologies. It's classic reverse psychology and most people are too caught up in the "us versus them" paradigm to see it.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
From BBC Arts
In Munich, Adolf Hitler staged two exhibitions which defined the way we think about modern art. The Great German Art show displayed the artists he approved of, *the Degenerate Art show displayed the artists he despised.* In these two exhibitions, mounted side by side in adjacent galleries, *the battle lines were drawn between traditionalism and modernism.* It’s a battle that’s still being fought today.
Do you like art that’s realistic and reassuring? Or do you prefer art that’s experimental or disturbing? Maybe you like a bit of both - in which case, you’re like a lot of people who went to see these shows.
*The Nazis wanted people to see both shows, but they didn’t want people to make up their own minds. The idea was to see the Degenerate Art show, and see how German art had been debased* - and then see the Great German Art show, and see how the Nazis has redeemed it.
You are meant to compare traditional Hollywood to the "modern audience" (Cultural Marxist) art and come to the conclusion that Liberals have debased art and that it is in need of redemption. (Along with the economy, academia, religion, corporations and politics under Liberal control.)
"Bread and circuses" (or bread and games; from Latin: panem et circenses) is a metonymic phrase referring to *superficial appeasement.* It is attributed to Juvenal (Satires, Satire X), a Roman poet active in the late first and early second century AD, and is used commonly in cultural, particularly political, contexts.
In a political context, the phrase means to generate public approval, *not by excellence* in public service or public policy, but by diversion, distraction, *or by satisfying the most immediate or base requirements* of a populace, by offering a palliative: for example food (bread) or entertainment (circuses). Juvenal originally used it to decry the "selfishness" of common people and their neglect of wider concerns. The phrase implies a population's erosion or ignorance of civic duty as a priority.
---As we have seen time and time again, these entertainment corporations are supplying superficial appeasement to the small, vocal minority. A quality product doesn't matter as long as it has "representation" and "owns the Conservatives". The woke leftists are probably some of the most entitled, selfish, self-absorbed people alive today, keeping in line with Juvenal's observations.
This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirical poet Juvenal (c. 100 AD). In context, the Latin panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining interest of a Roman populace that no longer cares for its historical birthright of political involvement.
---The "woke" leftists demonize the past and want no part of it. Their political involvement is usually little more than posturing on social media instead of actually doing anything.
Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as *costly circus games and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power.* The earliest known Annona (the gift of free or subsidised grain to nominated citizens) was begun under the instigation of the aristocratic politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BC. The annona remained an object of political contention until it was taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors.
---By appearances, it would seem Leftists in the media, politics and corporations are trying to gain political power by appealing to a small, vocal minority of people (specially nominated citizens who are allowed to fail upwards, for example). And wouldn't you know it, Liberals are quite fond of giving handouts to certain people if it means they can gain more power.
As it was with Rome and Germany, the only way this is going to end is with a Dictator coming to power to "restore order". The man chosen by the Roman Catholic Church, Donald John Trump (descendant of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne), is that Dictator.
The sad part about all of this is most of his cultists are just as clueless as the woke, Liberal activists who will be eliminated once he comes to power. Even when the guillotines are brought out into the streets, they will see it as a good thing and not the atrocity is really will be.
Warner deserves going bankrupt at this point if they hadnt allready
I've seen so many idiots defend this trash by essentially invoking Death of the Author or something among those lines, like they pretend the first movie never happened and it makes the second one great. It doesn't.
Hey Despot. I've been seeing your content on and off for the past year (started with the video about peter pan, I mean LAR 17), attended both best of woke awards (only award show worth watching) and finally decided to subscribe! Just wanted to say keep up the great and hilarious content (every time Carey mulligan starts screaming at you I can't!!)
Thanks Robin, much appreciated. Carrie has an important part in my next video.
Even the joker thought it was a bad joke
The movie would’ve been an easy, 7/10 if after Arthur was shanked he said, “that’s not funny..”
This level of failure comes from either spite from the director to the studio forcing him to make a movie or the higher ups trying to humiliate young men who liked the first movie.
I am not a hater of musicals. Like, most Disney renaissance films were musicals. In those, the music is used to further the plot. But in Joker 2, the songs and dances are entirely irrelevant to furthering the story(or lack there was). And, there's no original music...in a musical film. Like, for real?
I mentioned this in Despot's _Marvels_ movie review, that musicals are very tricky to pull off in live-action format because of how the suspension of disbelief is different from that format to animated movies and the actual stage.
Also, musicals made of covers are called "jukebox musicals" and that isn't a bad format if done right. _Singin' in the Rain_ is one, and the songs are well-integrated in the stories that it works.
I think the problem lies in the fact that modern authors do not understand that there is a big difference between what you CAN add and what SHOULD and SHOULD NOT be added. P.S. Lady Gaga's invitation itself was a dead giveaway, at least, for me. She couldn't handle the role in "American Horror Story" i.e. series for housewives. If this is to big of a task for her, what can we say about the “arthouse” with which this film is trying to larp as.
never thought I'd live to see a DC movie worse than Catwoman.
Joker totally needed a sequel developing further how Arthur transforms into a crime boss.
it just didn't need this one.
This is what I think and what nobody is saying! What about the whole "Joker as a super criminal" stuff they could do?
Nah. Arthur was never a crime boss. He was never a criminal mastermind. He was just a mentally ill loser who lashed out at a society that hated him
@@LoudmouthReviews that's how he started off. by the end of the first movie he had started to develop into someone more formidable and confident.
@@countdowntorevolution9986 But he still was no criminal mastermind. He still wasn't the Ledger Joker or anyone who could outwit Batman
That's literally the point they're making. They wanted him to develop. @@LoudmouthReviews
Hearing you sing made my day. Like an Angel
Ayo?! 51:03
In general, I'm tired of movies getting praised for their score when that score consists in the main of nostalgia bait songs from the 80s-00s. It's fine once in a while, but for the most part it's gotten stale.
These poorly made Media get praise for the bare basics. Their horrid writing is often ignored
I'm completely sick of trailers featuring songs from the 60s-90s in an attempt to appear 'cool'.
The fact we didnt like it same as the people in movie were disappointed in joker saying hes just a man proves they did a good job.
I did go and try to warn people, the moment you see Gaga there it's all over and it'll be crap but no one listened, everyone said I was crazy and it'd be brilliant.
I even made a bet with people saying "if it doesn't make Harley better off and makes Arthur look like a loser, I'd apologise." but if it did those things, they had to apologise.
Guess what I haven't got yet?
idk man, i think a lot of people were cautiously pessimistic about the movie before it came out
The moment I heard Gaga was playing Harley, I wrote the movie off. I knew there was absolutely no possibility whatsoever that some pop "music" facilitator could or would play Harley's real character, let alone any character of substance at all.
@@EntrEsprit I only said that at the start to lead into the "I made a bet with people it'd be crap and if I was wrong I'd apologise, but if I was right they had to." bit.
It's just me being a bit of a smug ass
I know most normal people saw it and thought it'd be bad. lol
The Last of Us 2 vibes
“We spent a quarter of a million dollars to own the chuds”
The chuds: “nah”
Nobody in Hollywood has a fucking clue
Good films are made by accident
Joaquim Phoenix playing a mentally ill person with pretentious titles is now a Hollywood sub-genre
Hey uh, Despot...I NEED that Joker 3 trailer as a standalone video.
Joker 2 was such a steaming pile. It makes me want to weep sometimes. I start thinking about the amount of money they waste. Money that could help millions of people. But these fools keep dumping hundreds of millions of dollars on flop after flop. It’s truly insane
The vet had to put my dog down.
Too heavy.
Joker 2 marketing was the reverse of Transformers Ones marketing,a terrible movie with good marketing against a great movie with abysmal marketing.
Once Joker 1 finished, the studio locked everyone involved in a reeducation facility, and after
clock-working everyones orange, the crew was unleashed along their bitterness and disappointment which then got channeled into this movie.
The first movie was very dangerous movie to the powers that be ! A lonely white male, cast out from society in a world that doesn’t care about him or give any chance of his life turning the corner, slowly filling with rage and becoming ready to strike back at the system that’s ignored him ! …….. He’s supposed to be the villain but people can relate to him and understand his struggle! When he lashes out, others don’t recoil…..they take inspiration from him and it could birth a movement that completely destroys the corrupt, sleazy and cruel system the elites have built !
They could not allow this ! So they destroyed him, it’s very similar to current society and people who’ve had enough needing to be silenced 🔕
Imagine the hubris it takes to think your movie will change the world in any way. In the West, has any movie been taken that seriously by most of a demographic (that matters)?
Can you imagine our boy Todd, "My first movie started a revolutionary fervor of men deciding to do something about a culture that hates them like I hate them. I need to give the middle finger to all my customers of the first film but I need to do it in a way that associates me with one of the biggest flops in history so all my friends know I saved the world!"
Imagine Timmy-boy with the fevered ego-sweats as he squeezes out the mutant creature they call a "screenplay" from his inflamed poop chute.
When he finished, you can picture the smirk of "duper's delight" plastered on his face -- and it remained so until the day this misbegotten crime against art hit theaters.
Directors really do be huffing their own fahrts.
@@michaeldavid6832 A movie alone could not do anything but something is growing in the West, people cannot vote for change, have been ignored for decades and reject the narritive thats been pushed on us for so long by so few.......... things are changing, a movie, a riot, a spark, a flame, a song ........ we are being united in our rejection of whats being forced on us !
Careful. People could get..... ideas.
That's an interesting way of putting it.
And I agree with those that say Joker 2 was meant to undercut the first (from how they explain it). Instead of doing that, the director, producers or writers should've said we do not need to root for the main character. I feel too many people forget that.
Death Note (anime) is one of my favorite shows, because I understand where the villain protagonist is coming from, and his extremist view of "justice" made me question my own views. Villain protagonists have a lot of positive potential ironically. Sure, there're edgy teens out there that think he is right, but when you let a story unfold, and let the audience come to their own conclusions, you do not have to fear indorsing evil. Most people have brains.
Joker 2 could've shown where Arthur went wrong, instead of turning him into even more of a loser.
A movie, as good as it be, can't change anything. If people want to change something, they must do it themselves. The ruling class divided society so well, that it makes it impossible to do something. This is why identity politics exist. This why everything is extreme. It's all by design.
No one even likes musicals except a swath of people in a few theatre districts
When Napoleon said, "You think you're so great because you have JOKES!!" I woke up in a hospital bed after an apparent stroke.
And then everyone clapped
@@mujtaba_vlog5 are you missing the obvious joke?
I was hoping for a sequel where joker sets up other villians like Mr freeze or black mask. But no we didn't get that, we got this
"But man, it's soooooo META dude, the themes dude .. the THEMES" -Porbably some consoomer