Struggling To Grow? The Fleet Of Philippine Airlines In 2024
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2024
- On the surface, not much has changed with the fleet of Philippine Airlines since our last deep dive into this carrier and its collection of aircraft. When we put out a video in October 2022 on this airline, it had 76 aircraft. Now, about one and a half years later, it has 79. Since the last Philippine Airlines fleet examination, we’ve seen the airline log its first post-pandemic profit. No doubt good news for executives working in Manila!
At the same time, however, we’ve also seen reports that the airline was facing difficulties in finding available Airbus A350 or Boeing 777 aircraft to meet the post-pandemic demand. As a result of the struggle, it has placed an order for brand new A350-1000s while reportedly considering newer replacements for its A330 fleet in the next few years.
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PAL's biggest mistake was selling some of its A350s to Lufthansa. Because of this it uses ancient A330s with cramped interiors.
But it has ordered the 1000 variants....3 firm orders and six more as an option......
@@johnpatricklim4509 yes but it'll come in the next few years. if they held unto the planes, they would've had more aircraft readily available for its fleet which would mean more routes/flights/less flight disruptions
@@johnpatricklim4509, Yes ,but for now “ Plane Always Late” or no plane at all ..
@@nyoomiiu But PAL has no choice but to surrender the 4 a350s due to the pandemic....they are also in a bankruptcy proceeding...so they have to shed some assets to have the liquidity to keep operating under such condition....at least now they are in a position to expand again....besides like i previously said...they are getting the brand new 1000 variant which has a longer range and capacity....the 1000 is also chosen by qantas for project sunrise...a non-stop flight between new york or london to sydney and back....
@@markjoseph196 true and expensive.....toronto to manila is almost $2000
I work as ticketing agent for South East Asia region. PR has always been easy airline to work with. Mabuhay
The pandemic hit some of the Asian airlines are really hard, like Cathay for example, so PAL have done well to survive.
Having to wait a little bit longer for planes is unfortunate, but at least the business is still going.
I’m happy to see Cathay Pacific getting stronger now and it’s good news to hear that PAL have made a decent profit and have good prospects too. Onwards and upwards 👍
I don't know but after recovering from Chapter 11 bankruptcy, PAL seems to be very cautious if not outright hesitant in expanding and modernizing its fleet. Hope they reconsider and add more A330 neos and A350's as well.
On the case of A330neos it unclear weather the will pattern the configuration both after the A330ceos registered from RP-C8780 to RP-C8789 and RP-C8763 to RP-C8771, but the best configuration should be a 290-seater composed of 32 business class seats, 28 premium economy and 230 in the economy class
Also the best way for PAL to get back on track is Lucio Tan stepping down as PAL's majority owner and sell to investors who are willing to make the airline better.
@@markdwighttadina7655Never gonna happen. LT is part of the oligarchy. The untouchables.
It’s nice to see PAL featured.
I hope that they start considering their next order to replace a few of their older A330ceos. (PAL has a mix of newer and older A330ceos)
It’s rumoured that PAL is looking at both the A330neo and 787 for that. We should expect the orders to be announced in the next 2-3 years.
Both the A330neo and 787 have their pros and cons in relation to PAL’s operations.
The A330neo would be an obvious no-brainer if PAL seeks to continue with fleet commonality. The A330 is proven type and if anything, forms a major backbone of PAL’s international network, mainly for Middle Eastern and most of its Asia-Pacific and Oceanic routes. The neo shares a lot in common with the ceo, and PAL doesn’t have to spend a lot on retraining pilots and maintenance crews. The disadvantage is that the A330 is an older design and it wouldn’t be as efficient as the 787.
The 787 on the other hand, would be a new type for PAL. Being a clean sheet design, It would allow greater operational flexibility as the plane would not only fulfill the A330ceo’s role perfectly, but its exceptional range and efficiency has the potential to allow PAL to expand into ultra long-haul markets in North America and Europe that dont see enough demand to justify using the 777 or A350. (Destinations like Istanbul, Las Vegas, and Rome) The disadvantage is that being a new type for PAL, the airline would have to spend quite a bit on retraining. The 787 does share a type rating with the 777… but PAL has a mostly Airbus fleet so it would factor in. In addition, PAL would need to hire new maintenance people specific to the 787, which would also cost a lot.
And yes, you heard it right, former President and CEO of PAL Ramon S. Ang was planned to buy or ordered Boeing 787, may be in the future, PAL will not ordered A330neo.
They Should Also Order A320Neo With IFE To Replace The Older A320
@@MrGreatWesternRailwayProductioThe older A320s are under its subsidiary PAL Express. If can came to fruition if PAL patterns them after Frenchbee and JetBlue.
I travelled on PR211 from Manila to Sydney on 25.04 (yesterday). It was a 330-300, the aircraft was super clean and absolutely love it and crew was so very friendly ❤.
But I was disappointed with flight delay and chaos on Manila Airport there is on escalator or lift, carrying the hand luggage and climbing the steps from one gate to another gate was like 😢😔.
As a Filipino I agree with airport's problems but anyways they are already constructing naia's replacement
Why don't you get out of Australia and go live in India?
Excellent excellent update. Your coverage on multiple aspects of the airline industry, not just on operational news, is what makes your channel outstanding. Please post more updates like this on other airlines, especially those not frequently mentioned ones.
Love to see my flag carrier get featured and recognize even with its small progress. It is indeed exciting to see PAL order the A35K, and having the same excitement on what PAL will replace its A330ceos. Hoping for the new A330neos!
Letting go of the A350s was definitely a hard decision for the management but it had to be done to keep the arline afloat. Unfortunately, the cabin experience on older aircraft (particularly the A330) is severely lacking especially compared to the competition serving the same routes where the A330 is deployed.
The biggest thing holding back PAL imo is Manila's transfer/connecting flight facilities.
Connecting via Manila is a nightmare, having to manually transfer your bags yourself (sometimes), no airside buses/people movers, and limited lounge/dining/shopping options.
PAL also isnt helping itself with terrible scheduling, often resulting in 10 hour+ layovers.
PAL would be in a stronger position if only they were able to capture the transit market too. Perhaps they should try working with the less congested international airports such as Cebu-Mactan and build better transit facilities and procedures there.
PAL relies too much on the captive Filipino market to fill their seats for direct flights. They should really work on capturing the transit market too, especially the ASEAN-US market which is one of their relative strengths compared to other airlines in the region. Perhaps they can even try penetrating the PRC-Aus/NZ market too.
Also their expensive ticket prices, a roundtrip flight to LAX with PR costs 52k in PHP while a flight with the likes of CI and BR is around 42-45k PHP. (My grandma recently went to the States and she flew with CI, while my mom flew with EK though she was headed for Florida and not California)
I'm really hopeful that PR will improve in the coming years, though I can pinpoint quite a bit of negative stuff as a consumer and a business student, they are still the airline that I would really love to work with in the future when I start my journey to entering the service industry.
I think it's time for Philippine Airlines to upgrade their livery. So much potential
for me its amazing and perfect
i love philliphine airlines
I guess stability for now is good for PAL.
As for their new A350Ks... Some sources say they're planning a 10-abreast configuration for the economy class. Wouldn't that be crammed? 😕
It is going to be cramped if you want something better than it you might as well fly via HND on JL A35K SQ 3-3-3 A359 via SIN KE once they have theirs ICN TPE BR and DOH QR. If you want the combination of the five star rating of Japan and Singapore Airlines Eva Air Korean Air and Qatar Airways with the mainline Fleet of Philippine Airlines your answer is Hong Kong Cathay Pacific B-LXx A35Ks 3-3-3 sitting in economy class which would be an improvement over PR RP-C3509 and upwards 3-4-3 Fiesta class Philippine Airlines branding for economy class. Mention this to a Hong Konger on how PR went 3-4-3 on A35K they told me it is cramped absolutely terrible for a plane that's supposed to be 3-3-3
Philippine Airlines have the best pilots in the world. They land so smooth you barely notice we’ve already landed.
PAL really needs to upgrade its fleet used on its LAX to MNL route. Planes used on this route are so dated with a sub par 2-3-2 seating configuration in business class.
I have ridden PAL from MNL to TAG lately. On our return trip home, PR2777 was mega delayed, since it had to return to MNL for repairs. We managed to get home safely though. I've noticed too that the A320-214s need some good TLC, since most of them are 'middle aged'. I've even noticed scratches on the outside of the windows.
I love the company's cheap biz offerings within Asia Pacific, like last year I spent around 850 AUD one-way in Biz between KUL and MEL via MNL.
Wonderful crews, exceptional cabin service, however we need an update on business class
Could you analyse Air France fleet next please. Many has changed since your video in 2022
Adding 2 Ex-Garuda Indonesia 777 to it's fleet is a pretty good idea because i am from Indonesia
Sometimes you have to look in unusual places to find more planes. Cebu Pacific is running a couple of A320s from Bulgaria Air.
Would love to fly in a 787 with PAL's livery!
The dreamliner, aka the deathliner. (It probably has a fatal flaw)
I wish PAL good flight ahead with new planes flying the Philippine flag to more destinations and more passengers.
Hopefully it will happen soon😊
I wish PAL would order the newer A330s
As a Filipino, PAL will now expansion next year through additional aircraft like A350-1000, and soon for the Philippine Airlines will purchase Boeing 777X once New Manila Interational Airport completed
In my opinion, PAL does not purchase A330neo because Cebu Pacific has already ordered. PAL still flying A330ceo. In 2015 or 2014: PAL President and CEO Ramon S. Ang was reported from ABS-CBN NEWS in Manila, PAL planning to buy Boeing 787's maybe -8, -9, or -10
Competition with the same aircraft type doesn't mean PAL cannot purchase the A330neo. It is advantageous to the fact that type commonality means minimal expenditures for training not only for the pilot's transition from A330ceo to A330neo, but also for the mechanics with the A330type rating without hiring new mechanics for another type.
Plus, the basis of your news where Ang is planning to purchase such aircraft is obsolete already and a new person took over PAL already. Plus Ang messed up aircraft purchase back then by fitting PAL with "low-cost" style interior.
I would like to try NYC to MNL soon. I’ve always flown foreign airlines like Delta and United.
Please do deep dive on Garuda Indonesia. This AL is strugling hard
Please include the Cebu Pacific, Philippines LCC
I know you haven’t done this but can you do Kenya airway’s fleet kindly thank you
They need to retrofit all those A330’s with the newer 1-2-1 business class layout with the entertainment system. I have flown MNL-DXB route the other day and the last minute equipment swap into the 2-2-2 J class seats and no in-seat Entertainment system is a big disappointment. I don’t mind switching from Emirates to Philippine airlines from DXB but these kind of changes stop me from doing so.
Like PAL , but hard to travel with so many older folks and always crowded with its high prices
What’s wrong with older folks? Genuinely curious
first comment also I am from the Philippines
I hear that the A-380 might be making a comeback? If so I think it'll be prudent of PAL to purchase a couple, particularly as there's talk of a new state-of-the-art airport to constructed in the not to distant future. The land has already been set aside. Whether the original airport remains open is unknown.
I'd beg to differ, actually. The A380 simply isn't an economical choice for airlines like PAL who do not operate on a hub-and-spoke mode (a good example of an airline which operates on a hub-and-spoke model would be Emirates, which operate 116 A380s). Current passenger numbers for PAL wouldn't justify the purchase as well, and then we've got the sheer cost to maintain the type, especially when compared to smaller twin-engine aircraft. Not a lot of airlines can justify the need for A380s, thus the reason why A380 production ended early.
If the 747-8i is still in production, we may see PAL ordering/leasing a bunch of them given their interest in the past
Will PAL fly the A350-1000 non-stop from Manila to Orlando and return?
I hope Cebu Pacific will be featured next :)
PAL should have updated its new more modern livery. The present livery has been existed since 1986.
I Hope PAL’s A350-1000 Will Have It’s Carbon Livery
+1 from an ex Garuda 77W
Cebu pacific is doing well though
Excellent in the air - if only transit at MNL wasn't absolutely abhorrent!
the sun riser is rising again, slow but brighter.
PAL needs to update its livery
PAL should have at least 20 Airbus A350-1000s to service North America and Europe where there are so many OFWs.
I want to see more US airports get non-stop Manila flights on Philippine Airlines. The A350, 777-200LR, 777X-8, and 787-9 can handle non-stop flights from Manila even further than New York JFK. I would expect them to fly into Washington Dulles, Atlanta, and others at least with any aforementioned plane type capable of such range.
How about restarting Newark Airport the last time it was there was 1996 1997. With those planes but you run across this problem Singapore Airlines will offer you a cheaper fare Newark to Manila both ways for $863-1300. Making it cheaper than PR direct EWR-MNL.
Can you do Thai Airways?
Highly Recommended for that is BOEING B787-8 or B787-9.. the B787-10 is shorter range than B787-8 B787-9.. also Recommended the AIRBUS A330-800NEO. WITH GREAT RANGE.. WITH 16.050KM compare to BOEING B787-9 with 14.900KM
Hopefully 787 will replace the old A330CEOs in the future
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Does the A320neo fit in this Airlines
for me yeah
I think the A220 is a better option from my perspective
Yes, as of now PAL did not ordered yet
❤❤❤
When JFK to CEBU
Small Airport and Pandemic restrictions are the reasons why
Can you do an update on Air France's fleet
It was a big mistake for pal selling 4 a350s from its fleet if they should of just sell the a330s
They could not have sold their a330s at that time, no one wanted them back then.
Cebu Pac played the post Covid game way better than PAL.
PAL Should Order A320Neo And A321XLR
I still prefer ANA or Cathay Pacific over PAL.
planes pal should order and return:
B787
A330 NEO
B747
DC-10 And MD-11
ATR-72
A340
A380
B737
A321 XLR
A321 NEO
B717
A350-1000
B757
B767
Original A330
Dash 8
BRO! MY FLAG CARRIER AGAIN!?
Cebu is pronounced Seh-bu, but See-buu
787-9s for PAL
Like it however if they do get back the 4 planes from LH RP-C3503-3507 A359s. Philippine Airlines is still outnumbered by its competitors in Hong Kong Cathay Pacific (國泰航空) and Singapore Airlines since they have 48 and 63 A350s. I wonder what engine for A320neo are they going to use to replace A320-214s 1990s to 2013 vintage. Remember the airline is a long time General Electric customer. The two five star Airlines can offer a lower fare from New York to Manila both ways $863-1500.
UNDER 100 VIEWS GANG!
PAL should also consider taking a a220 for its shorter routes....
That is a good idea
Can you do Cebu Pacific
I'm the 201 to comment
More routes to Europe...PHILIPPINES! My cousin Aicha is in the Philippines but I don t think she flew this airline
If you think PAL will get any better? Not in another century
The food is the usual complaints Pals passenger old and new.
If only they could improve their service ...........
I think boeing 787-9 is better
They need some A220’s and ATR’s
I also think A220s and even Embraer E190 E2 would be helpful in ASEAN and Asia Pacific routes.
Less go my Flag Carirer
They are in desperate need to upgrade! Their planes are old and outdated
All 777s need to be replaced with A350s and A330 neos.
I hope PAL will never buy from Boeing.
PAL still believe Boeing, because PAL planning to ordered 777X
@@PhilippinesTravelFan I hope they will cancel it.
Welp, they acquired 2 ex-garuda Indonesia 777s, well at least it has newer interior
@@roamaroundgisg7362how are they gonna cancel it? Like go to the pal office and say "pls cancel b777x orders"
Too late, they already have Boeing's
Raaaah
PLS PIN
Be prepared to be late when flying with them, for 2 hours, 3 hours, 6 hours even 😂
still no plan to refurbish the crappy old interiors, of the triple 7s?
Expensive plane ticket and not so good service to be honest no IFE for some plane
take a look at GIA lmao
PAL livery is so outdated already. They should've grab the opportunity to market reemergence of their fleet service with a new logo and livery. Oh well, PAL is PAL, which is why Cebu Pacific is gaining more traction ahead than them...
If it’s capacity they want…..there’s the A380 😅
The Philipines depends on the US for support in the South China Sea, yet they buy predominantly Airbus planes. Boeing should refuse to supply them in the future. This should apply to all other airlines who buy Airbus as a matter of course.
You do realize that Boeing is in a dire situation these days because of scandals starting from 2 crashes of Max right?
with that in mind, will Boeing seal the deal with Cebu Pacific?
@@puertoprincesaplanespots3984 hopefully not. There have been recent issues with their planes recently so it's best to avoid them for now for safety's sake.
@@KyoushaPumpItUpThat has no effect on larger jets. The 787 Dreamliner is in demand.
the replacement a330 for pal should be a a340-600 i guess
philippine airline is suck now even their a350 cabin was not good compare to other airline and the service is shit
I don't like Philippine Airlines at all. Tired of delays and tired aircraft. Look at Nippon Airways, Korean Airlines, Japan Airlines excellent service and that includes ground staff.