Ne vs Ni in real life
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I'm an INTJ, best friend is an ENTP. This video accurately depicts the pattern of every conversation we've ever had.
Coolness, you must really get on well when it comes to bouncing your ideas off of each other.
Middle aged INTP here, and I love just sitting back and observing INTJ/ENTP debates/discussions. They're perfect for each other, as you can see extreme Ni vs extreme Ne and no one's feelings get hurt. It's just rational "play time" for them. Anything from the infamous "Cavemen vs Astronauts" conundrum to socioeconomic theory to whether a person should be permitted to wear Birkenstocks at their wedding. All good stuff. (NOTE: The answer to that last one ended up being "yes," and the INTJ did, in fact, wear them at his wedding.)
I'm INTJ too with an INFP pal who always poses the Devil's Advocate side "just because"....
To me the ni acted more like ne in this video-
The ENTP is the “debater” after all..
@@SBecktacular Ni did well by wanting to keep talking about their one and only perspective being completely submerged on it, but Ne is just chilling like thinking about other stuff and also debating Ni's perspective "just because" without getting all deffensive about it, just pointing out that there are people who won't think the same about Ni
Ni: *Makes a clear pattern and focusses on the subject*
Ne: *Links it with other patterns and changes the subject, constantly*
Ni: *What was I talking about again? Thanks a lot*
I recognize myself as both tho, INFJ
Actually I recognized now, watching it again, that's how my conversations with my boyfriend goes 😂 He link it with different subjects and it can be annoying
Entp things.... Ne and perspective always me....nothing is actually 100% pure possibility and 100% true...so always tell the perspectives to friends rather than not agree by agreeing... Lol..even here i can link up with 5 things...also as an entp i'm not 100% sure i'm an entp
@@beingsomeone201 Yeah same, I always link it to other things, I jump from topics to topics so much. And sometimes I feel like a crappy person for saying things from another perspective because to them, it might not be relevant.
@@FalseWordz i thought that too, but then i realized entps were actually better motivation speaker than others cz they hate the motivation soeaks rather told 3-4 real solutions (not like te or fi motivation--- hey u can do it trust me and trust urself---that lie motivation never helped a person just momentarily he felt good) first i gave ne ti solution (like there is 3 ways to prevent the damage and it is not ur fault but if u will go that plan of plan there is a solution if thats not solving the issue u can do this plan)---they never done it, even told me i was cynical, actually people want motivation (fi te) things in one line
then i went different Strategy, using 4 function stack to narrow down NE
Si, ne ti fe with (te 70%)
(hey man i'm sure there was a time that u were that much a hero that could solved anything--be that person i know its difficult but again the hero was u 🔥
(10% lie) but also 90% soltution in one sentence atleast)....that gave absolute positive motivation to at least 3 to 4 person till now
& beside (infj) never trust ni solving with one plan only, (we dont play gods)
Infj-- my plan does not help cz i suck :(
Other ni users-- my plas does not help cz u suck :/
At the end im also saying that only infj just has 5 % better solution, (but they usually does not want to give the solution cz more than entp they will feel anxiety if that will help or not, so ask them casually.... like its not even my problem)
My apologies for every argument I’ve had with someone I actually agreed with…
sameY ... thanks for the words Nick♡
Right?! Same!
xntps be like:
It's hard to agree with someone, isn't it? Especially when you have Ti and don't tend to rely on your feelings like Fi users do.
@@alext-rex5492 As an Fi-dom it can still be pretty tough!
This is by far the best representation of Ni vs Ne that's concise and yet artistically explains so much in so little time. I cannot begin to explain how on point the skit is. Thank you.
"Nobody ever talks about the chicken? Why the chicken?" Precisely, my dominant Ni wants to know the symbolism behind the chicken, and why it was chosen in the first place.
I dunno man, probably cause they give familiarity and friendliness to the people they cheer for the team.
@@chaoticpoint8105 Who was the one that said "It will be a chicken", though? Can we have an interview with that person?
isn't it a useless piece of truth that only Ti cares about? What would Ni gain from the knowledge of such useless relic?
@@Toni7926 It was most probably on a discussion team, where someone throw out the idea of the chicken, I have the feeling it was for a joke, and then they kinda liked it and went for it. I don't think there was much thought behind it.
Since I am from Sydney like Kristen she probably thought of the Sydney Roosters as a good example for the sketch since it seems weird on the surface. There are two reasons, the first is that because they were originally called the Eastern Suburbs Roosters or "Easts", and since the sun always rises from the east at sunrise a rooster crows first. The fans were also known as the "sun-risers" a long time ago.
The other is that they changed their jersey in the 50s to be similar to the French national team since they already had the same colours of red, white and Blue and historically French sporting teams had a Rooster as their logo.
Ne has a reputation for being “the quirky random function”, but it doesn’t feel random to Ne users, because it actually isn’t random at all. It does see actual thematic similarities. My Ne connects things in ways that feel really self-evident to me, even though those things may not be commonly seen as connected.
I also don’t see it as “making” connections, because the connections feel like they were always intrinsically there. Instead, it feels more like “discovering” connections. And once I’ve discovered a connection, I can’t unsee it.
yes!
Great observation
I think that the Fi or Ti is one the one making the connections. I could be wrong, though.
@@ehmaree Fi and Ti are judgment functions. They evaluate things: “is this good or bad?” (Fi), or “does this make sense or not?” (Ti). They’re not perceiving functions, so they don’t see information or patterns - they just assess them.
@@ehmaree out of curiosity, why did you think Fi or Ti were the functions making the connections? I’m just curious about what you meant. I might be able to understand where you’re coming from (I can actually understand how people get Ne and Ti mixed up, for example).
This is actually a great representation of Ne Kristin, I can't speak for Ni because I do not have it. But while it is funny to over exaggerate the chaotic nature of Ne, this is a more realistic depiction of how we Ne users usually talk. Also, something I have noticed on my Ne, that is shown here, not explicitly tho. Is that Ne tends to be more of a reactionary function. What I mean, is like in the example given here about chicken and the Ne user thinking about ordering some chicken. Unlike some people believe Ne ideas doesn't come out of nowhere, they come from a connection made from something someone said. So if you talk about the color orange, I might think about the fruit, and then talk about how vitamin C is very important. People might think I pulled the topic out of my ass, but no it was all connected. Because of that I tend to be a very funny person, my mind makes weird connections and I am always making people laugh.... However, because they come from somewhere, I can't simply think of something funny if I was given nothing. So when people tell me, you are a funny guy, tell a joke... my mind goes blank. If I try to be funny, it also goes blank, I can't force Ne, it just happens.
In contrast, I have seen that Ni users tend to be more talkative about their ideas. Because they have processed them further, so they have more to talk about them. While the Ne user might just be bouncing and saying several things. The Ni user will take the ideas more seriously while the Ne user will be more casual about it. So the Ne user can talk for hours, but only if they are given something as well. Ne needs something external to spark the ideas, while the Ni user can talk about them even without anything external.
So while Ne so random is funny, I appreciate you taking a more realistic approach to this Kristin. Of course, the Ni user might have been a bit exaggerated, maybe I would need an Ni user to give input of how realistic it seemed to them. But at least for me, that is how Ne works.
I can confidently say: Ni demonstrated here is accurate for how I think and how I talk. Especially if I'm passionate about a certain idea. I want to understand the why underneath the surface. I want the understanding as to why this is the case. Could use people for example when it comes to psychology. If a person is behaving a certain way that I don't understand the exact reason, I'm going to think of the possibilities and then zero in exactly which one is the correct one that seems the most plausible. Basically eagle vision. The eagle sees the trees (possiblities) then locks on to the rabbit (target) with focus. And I could always ask the individual why they do what they do but thinking about it just seems more fun.
As for losing my train of thought, that's accurate aswell. I had moments of thinking about something, then gets distracted, only to forget what I was previously thinking about. I might remember in the next few seconds, minutes, hours, months later. There's a chance I will never remember ever again. So as long as I have that focus, I'll do fine. Although, I don't mind adapting and following the train of thought of an Ne user when giving out different ideas or perspectives since I want to engage and see those different areas I never thought about. Like the video here. I never thought about it that way soon as Ne brought it up and I could see it being possible. Now unless I don't want to see other perspectives and want the answer; yeah I can be like how it was presented in the video.
Wow reading your experience as an Ne felt dead on like mine. Great insights and very well explained.
@@oasis8172 I see, I see what you mean. And I can see now, how Ni users can get mad, when we cheeky Ne users change the topic.
My Ti works somewhat similar, but instead of being directed towards ideas it is directed towards reasons. People can't ever get me to do anything, unless they tell me why I should do it. For example, if someone at work tells me, you should do it this way, I will respond with "why?". And if they don't give me a compelling argument, I might try and do it my way.
Because of that, I am also interested in why people do things and me understanding why they act a certain way or think a certain way, helps me understand them. But due to my Fi blind, when people told me, because i felt like it, it baffled me. I would be like, "what do you mean you have no reason?". Specially in important decisions.
Because of that, I am inclined to explain myself to other people when I do something. Which on Te users I have noticed, it often comes as an excuse. Which I never if rarely try to excuse myself, so it always baffled me they come to that conclusion. I am like, I just wanted you to know why I did it that way. I do so even if the outcome was good, but when the outcome is bad they take it as an excuse. But when someone does something baffling to me, and I ask them why? and they give me a good reason. I would be like, "hmm, that is a compelling reason" So even if the outcome was bad, if the reason they did it were logical to me, I wouldn't hold any grudge to them.
So i can get stuck in trying to understand things. While people want to move one. My boss might want me to do something, and I might be like "why?" and he would be "because you have to". Due to Fe, I do not tend to be stubborn in asking, I might process a pro and con spreadsheet in my head. Of how willing I am to silence my Ti vs pissing off my boss. But I will also try and do it my way, which sometimes turns out I find a better way to do it and I get rewarded. Or it turns out it was worse and call me out on it. But even then, the only thing that helps it keep balanced, is Fe. If it were up to me, I could spend years finding the perfect method, but because I do not want to piss my boss...
Great explanation of Ne. I, as a Ne user, love this function, because it produces a lot of ideas in creative areas and I get to choose among them afterwards. What type are you, btw? Are you a Ne-Ti user?
@@farrex0 I think their reasons are more like an instinct. Like when you sleep because you're tired.
"No, no tangents, I'm not done" 😂😂 Perfectly sums up the difference and the conversations between me and my ENFP best friend 😄❤️ Great job Kristin 😁👍
@@MarianaSilva-kh4io Yes that's the point. The video highlights the communication issues that arrises out of Ni vs. Ne differences.
But that was actually not a tangent, was just the logical resolution of the conversation. The Ne was getting at the juice of it "Isn't it funny that we all have completely different expectations of things based on like nothing" Sums the conversation up. The Ne and Ni had different opinions and they will probably not agree at the end of the conversation so the Ne was like "Let's agree to disagree and shift the conversation a little".
@@MarianaSilva-kh4io Then the Ne should say it is to much. In conversationen like this, my first thought is also he wanna go to another topic, i can only accept this when they say it is enough...sounds hard, but for me it is a childish way when people cant say that they cant or want follow or think about those things.
@@diewahrheitistmitdir675 But I don't think this type of conversational shift Ne users make are conscious, it's just looks like the natural flow of the conversation. So you can't really expect Ne user to know they are doing that, unless of course, you kindly explain it to them
@@MarianaSilva-kh4io it really is as you say. Ne started a summation of the conversation, it wasn't a tangent at all, it was just an attempt to get the other person to realize themselves that this conversation wouldn't go anywhere at this point.
As a side note, it also boggles me how Ni believes there can be had a discussion with only a single perspective. That's... that's not how discussions work...
Being an introverted intuitive type is an agonizing existence. You have a ton of analysis and observations bottled up in your head waiting for one opportunity to flood a conversation with someone, but there’s so much that you ultimately drown out the other person with all of it, and you’re no longer seen as good for future conversations
I think you are in a pickle there...
Or even just an ISXP because I also start feeling the urge to start ranting in a conversation when it starts being about something I have collected a lot of data for and that I hold a very strong opinion for but I can’t start pouring it all down without feeling really self aware and stumbling every 5 seconds unless asked to which is barely never
I always wish I had someone to share all my Ni insights with, but alas, there is no one.
😂 it's like you can read my mind
Y'all with Ni, I'm pretty sure most other Ni users and also high Ne users would listen to what you got to share
Those times when you only describe one of the possible perspectives on something and others automatically consider it as your opinion :'')
~ intp
Thank you! Also when I can easily understand why people make certain decisions because I understand their background and point of view, doesn't mean I personally agree with it. -INFP
As an intj you can safely assume I’m stating my opinion haha
As an infj I actually do this too. I defend different perspectives I collected from other people that I find interesting or general opinions to see what people have to respond to it cause I value other people's opinion as well.
So you can safely assume if I'm talking about something, it's most likely not my own opinion cause I rarely share it.
This might be describing a Ti/Fe vs. Te/Fi distinction rather than anything to do with the Ns.
:’’) or worse they assume you are feeling the emotional subtext or implications of it
I like how Ni can respond to Ne switching "channels/topic" and goes back to the main point of discussion immediately lol (except the end when she lost her train of thoughts) and Ne just jumping in and out (like she's listening but she just wants to add more into the convo that Ni doesn't really care about lmao) of the topics discussed/very distracted
Edit: Hmm after seeing what I typed, I basically liked how they portrayed themselves so well lol
ENTP looking for "different perspectives": Watched this video for 1 minute, found it very relatable and then immediately dived into the comment section looking for other people’s opinions.
She just forgot to say: you won't understand your own perspective if you don't try to understand the bases of the others's perspectives. Ne Doms are good with this, so they fully understand what she's trying to say, but because they understand other points of view, they catch easily what she's missing. But Ne Doms get so drained when someone with a squared mind doesn't want to hear what they have to say, so they prefer just not to waste their time with them unless they touch a critical nerve.
Saaame! (INFP) Always scroll through the comments while watching a vid. I need to know others’ perspectives
Ikr 😅
Meanwhile me with Ni - scrolling past all the “irrelevant” comments to find the comment talking about the same thing I found most interesting of noteworthy about the video. Pretty funny
Same 😂
My loved ones: "Agree with me."
Me: "Where's the fun in that?"
Harmony, beautiful simple harmony, being able to talk about practical stuff instead of opinions and actually do something real 🥴
As an Ni dom with adhd this was like watching a conversation between myself and myself lol.
Was just about to say! I felt like I could relate to the Ne dom and Ni dom simultaneously.
Same. I'm not sure if I have ADHD or not, but I relate to this comment. I kept scrolling to see if anyone else had the same point of view as me but this is the only one I found lol
Same
I was also looking if anyone could also relate to both. Honestly I’m surprised since I’m a Ni user.
"No, no tangents, I'm not done" but the Ne was actually making the best point in the discussion. Ni just wasn't actually willing to listen.
That's too relatable like it's so true. I am an ENTJ and this is like every debate i have with my girlfriend who is an ENTP. Usually Ni and Ne users are prone to arguments like that but studying Mbti and psychology allowed us greater understanding of each other and we enjoy these debates because of our different ways of thinking instead of fighting in arguments over the ways we prefer to think.
As an ENFP that lives with an ENTJ, I envy you...
If he could just get into MBTI, we probably wouldn't argue as much.
As an ENTJ with an INTJ girlfriend, we are almost always on the same page
That's so true. I've now learnt to understand and appreciate how people view things and make decisions from different perspectives
@@ayaansharif1225 same page = less growth
"No tangents! I'm not done" 😂👏
ENFP here. Heard this my whole life.
As an INFJ, how you represented Ni is just spot on❤️
ENFP here: totally accurate. This video made me realise: if you wanna avoid us going on tangents, just be sure we're doing something else when you're talking. It is a guilty joy to look as if we are not paying attention,yet still making relevant comments. Yes, that is the only way we stay focused somehow.
That's such an accurate observation. I literally will start yawning if someone's talking at me for a long time and i have nothing to fiddle with. At school, I always used to draw in class, like all the time, every lesson. And this allowed me to concentrate on what was being said.
I'd love to see a "day in the life of the 16p" - as in daily structure (or lack thereof, speaking as an enfp), when they wake up, if the have routines (I actually have a skincare routine and am sticking to it for 4 months now - what a new way of life lol), if they eat regularly etc.
It would be soooo interesting :D
As an esfp: we have breakfast and then the rest is totally random things that happen and we follow, with music and food breaks. I think Kristin had a video with a similar example
As an older ENFP, I am proud to say that I have collected a few solid routines over the years and it's always such a big deal to me when they stick. But I only add about one routine a year, max. At this pace, I will totally have my life together by the time I'm 100 years old. 👍
I'm an INFJ and my wife is an INFP, this is a pretty damn good representation of some of our discussions.
for the most part i'm Ne, but I can sound like Ni at times too.
-INTP
This is actually very interesting. I identify a lot with NI here, and NE could seem very frustrating from our perspective, like they dont really care. But they actually have a point by pointing out that there are many different perspectives to judge something. i always have this on mind. When someone deliberately decides to choose another criteria or prefference is the end mark for me. I think the judjing functions can help someone being more or less open to other perspetives.
I think sometimes Ni can appear very judgy and rigid to Ne, and that sort of sparks a need to inject different perspectives.
I just find it fun to debate sometimes. Like fun debates on stupid trivial things that don't matter. I hate debating serious topics... but if one of my friends says something like "muffins are unequivocally better than cupcakes," I personally don't really care; but it's game on anyways 😈
So in short, sometimes we don't disagree, we just trying to make you know there is other possibilities to one thing and not just 'one way' shit
As an Ni dom, it's not an aversion to different perspectives but rather a need to get my point across before the conversation deviates.
I actually love looking at stuff from different perspectives. (In fact, that is part of Ni itself: deep diving into a topic to discover new things about it involves looking at the same thing in different ways and perspectives.) It's just that I've usually thought about and judged a lot of these perspectives in my mind already, and jumping into my analysis of each perspective can detract from the thought that I want to communicate in the first place. If I tell something an opinion that I have, I want to be able to finish my thought before we go into different avenues of conversation (even if it is just different perspectives on the same topic). After I communicate what I want to, then we can debate and go into my thoughts on different perspectives of the same issue.
Good to know
I can definitely relate to what the Ni user is saying. Sports can be interesting but I don't really care about teams, mainly because I can barely distinguish between them besides colors or weird mascots. It would be even harder to remember the members
Yeah, I have never understood spectator sports, especially in front of the TV. I was dragged to a football game once, with two very passionate fandoms, and the whole journey on the metro there and in the stadium I understood the charm of watching live. But telly, no, there is nothing to explore behind a ball going back and forth between 22 people on a field.
Actually, neither the Ne user cared, if you listen carefully, but she is generating alternative perspectives to see which would be plausible.
Dude, this is me and my sister every day lol! She's an INFJ, with Ni dominant, and I'm an INFP, with Ne second. She's CONSTANTLY taking me along extremely extensive trains of thought about whatever the matter at hand is, and usually I'm trying to give her different perspectives that she usually shuts down, and then I'm getting distracted from getting drained by staying on the same topic for too long. Then I'll try and give a change of topic, like what book I'm reading or writing, and she'll say exactly that: "I'm not done!" Lol, nailed it Kristen
The only way i accept people dont want to hang on on one topic is, when they say it is to much for them...so when they really say what they think or feel in this moment is much better as if they distract from the topic in a silly way.
😂 This conversation got way more heated than the Se vs Si hair brushing video, lol !!!
This might actually explain why I'm not much of a sports fan. I have dominant Ni, so I'm always looking for the deeper meaning.
I think the stuff Ne Kristin said is typically why fans follow a team. Sometimes it's just about having fun!
But us Ni doms always gotta over analyze things! 😂
And great acting as always Kristin !
I am Ne aux and I am neither, but perhaps the dominant Ti does for me what Ni does for you in this regard. Or my Fe just roots for everyone giving their best, not really favoring, except national athletes in international competition. I think that fandom has more to do with Fi, my father loyal football club fan and skiing fan and you can clearly see that any rationalization merely a slave to that valued conclusion.
In my INTJ brother, I can see thew Te when debating merits of skiers with father (who consistently has better results vs favoritism).
That's a good point. Dominant Ti could sort of be the same as dominant Ni in a situation like this.
For me, when I started watching football (soccer), one of the things that got me hooked was understanding the game from a tactical analysis perspective 😅 . It's a whole rabbit hole in and of itself, and I guess it shows that you can have different people liking the same thing, but for completely different reasons
I have Ni but I have to agree with Ne on this one. But I do understand where she’s coming from.
Also, the railing cry for Ni users should be, “we are the knights who have Ni!!”
I'm an Ne user but when Ni said "why aren't you understanding my perspective", I felt that in my soul.
it's funny that you think the ne user actually believes what their saying and isn't just giving an opposing perspective to keep the conversation going
@@creeperkingdom3190 Very gentlemanly of him actually. Many, to say no one, appreciate it then ask why you don't pay attention when they go on and on talking about the same thing. Feedback isn't as appreciated in 1-on-1 conversations it seems.
And we demand a shrubbery!
@@lararys7765 deep, DEEP down
2 more episodes to go :D, can't wait for the judging functions
Me too
The amount of times my ENFP mum told me "it's just a tv show, it doesn't have to make sense"...now I know why.
Your Ni dom. death stare is so powerful that even an Ne user in the video looks like sleepy or scatterbrained INTJ.
I'm ESFP, inferior Ni, yet I've related SO MUCH to Ni because my conversations with my ENFP are a lot like this?? Didn't realize that when I get annoyed by how they seem to be always contradicting me is actually a Ne-Ni clash lmao, I thought of it more of a Se vs Ne, but, of course, there's no Ni without Se and vice-versa. Thank you! It was funny!
crees que Ne quiere llevar la conversacion hacia esas tangentes o simplemente esta "explorando en voz alta"?
Ne can be hard to interact with, like with my INTP sibling, because of my Ni, but I think Se is inherently a part of that too, because as much as I can get annoyed at interruptings from me developing a grand idea on one subject I want to dwell on for hours on end, I also see the world as lots of scattered facts too, not piecing them together as readily as an Ne user can. An Ne user will be able to compare and contrast things (Si) and find many connections (Ne), my brain says, ooh blue socks with sparkles (very pretty), hmm thats some good knitting but that loose spot will cause a hole later (imagines exactly what will happen depending on points of tearing and whats likely to cause the future hole in my head)... and the Ne user says, that sock is blue, oceans are blue, hmm i should go to the beach, did the knitter feel inspired by color psychology? speaking of psychology...
tbf i also can struggle knowing where my Se ends and my Ni begins, though this video did a great job showing my thought process when I get on my grand speeches.
@1:17 - Ni - "No. No tangents. I'm not done". I laughed SO LOUD. omg I'm such an Ni.
*"My perspective is the one that's relevant right now"* is 98% of my INTJ existence.
See, ugh, I'm confused!!! I feel like when I'm listening to other people, I act like the Ne does here. But when I'm trying to understand something, or communicate my own feelings, I act like the Ni!!!
Aside from my own weirdness, thanks for these Kristin!! It really helps me to make sense of the functions a lot better to see them in action and contrasted like this. You're the best!!
I'm with you on this. For example when I was young I was a bowler. My passion for the game would have come out and I could have bored someone to tears, for a good length of time, as to why they should give it a try (Ni), but if I walked up to 2 people discussing which was the better sport, baseball or football (2 sports I found boring), I would be trying to help them see the other's point of view. I would also be cracking jokes, probably to lighten the mood, and also to help keep myself attentive to what could easily be a boring conversation for me. (Ne)
@@lionunderthestars7019 See YES!! I relate to this EXACTLY!! Do you think that's because of a different function coming out? By the way, I love your screen name!
Well, our ni meant to solve the problems(also use ne to gather information), and ne dom they just don't care what the outcome is, that leads them to not solving the problems! And they don't care what you think when you're always right.-fellow intj
You need to do this for all the functions this is GENUINELY so helpful. I think in "Okay but a need a straight example in real life" to many of the functions descriptions, because they can be very vague and I don't fully understand them unless I have an example to draw connections from. (Don't know what that function is but apparently I use it so!) I have now determined I am a Ne user most likely.
Edit: A year later and I realized I'm in fact an INTJ I just also have ADHD. But I do think at the heart of it I'm an Ni user.
Ditto to everything you said!
I'm an infp and the Ne in this video was exactly right. everything from the random "i could go for some chicken." to Ne forgetting her phone is pure brilliance. My mom's an ENTJ, so she has auxillary Ni and I have auxillary Ne. even though these aren't our dominant functions, this perfectly encapsulates how our conversations usually work. 10/10 !!
Well played and subtle. Ni demands an answer of "Why?" while Ne "What if...?"
I'd love to see your take on 2 Ne doms having a conversation because man, they can get wild. I can't get enough of my hours-long tangent-filled convos with my favorite ENTP.
Sincerely signed (because my comment wasnt tangent-y or essay-ish enough for this to be evident already), ENFP
I find ENFPs to consistently interrupt others when they are talking-however brief. Is this something you notice as well?
@@cadowyn735 it's something I've personally struggled with a lot, but I don't necessarily think it's a universal ENFP thing. I have ADHD, which causes problems with impulse control, so I have to really consciously try not to blurt things out as soon as they pop into my head. A lot of ENFPs have ADHD and probably have the same issue, but it's definitely not all of them.
@@NoticeMeSenpaiii Intetesting. I may have ADHD too, but I sometimes wonder if that’s just Ne? Lol
As an INFP, I feel like I have bipolar fluctuating between both of these. Like sometimes with Ne I’m like “well I mean, I might not agree with that, but if you think why they would picture it that way…” and then other days Fi Ni Si comes in like “SCREW ALL OF YOU LUKE SKYWALKERS A GOOD PROTAGONIST I DON’T CARE THAT THE SEQUELS SUCKED” and then my ENTP brothers like Jesus bro calm down and I’m like naw. Mostly I’m chill tho.
Same here, ni is the strongest function in your shadow type. This argument reminds me of the two people arguing in my head
That sounds more like Fi-Te to me. 😊
There is something to be said about some of the descriptions of MBTI that are less well reasoned.
In this case, I'm an INTP, and according to (some) MBTI concepts my Ni function would be called "critic".
And in that case, the description of what that means fits perfectly: Ni is the reason I "don't allow myself nice things" etc, because (almost) every time I make a decision like buying something stupid, I have an inner Ni Dom criticizing that decision.
And of course that voice may be present in many other situations. But it RARELY ever will be observable by someone else, so mostly it's self-critisism, because that would be rude, actually it's mostly an inner discussion between Ni and Ne, with inconclusive resolution.
To the outside I will mostly behave Ne like. Devils advocate, generating perspectives like crazy.
INTP has Ne and not Ni. Ne is INTP's second preferred function
@@ansh4218 "according to (some) MBTI concepts". Fact of the matter is, there are a shitton of different... interpretations, and at this point there isn't a single one that would be well accepted.
I've not seen that particular theory being well argued, it's presumably mostly based on observations that are difficult to measure.
But that's the very point of my comment. Well, the first one. It appears to apply.
@@ansh4218 You are right. But no one has to meet the template 100%. I think it's okay to walk on other paths. Some of them scurry in the Ne and some in the Ni area. No matter what you do, it will NIE be completely right. 😂
I’m an INFP and my mom is an ISFP and sometimes we have conversations where my mom is venting about something and I’m like “maybe xyz” and my mom gets really mad at me because she thinks I’m criticizing her, and I know that it’s literally not Introverted intuition but this helped me see the other side of that really well. It was also really funny to realize how accurate this is even outside of introverted intuitives
Sums up pretty well the conversations between my sister (INTJ) and me (INTP) 😂
I always wondered about the lack of perspectives and that extreme infatuation with just one single possible version of a scenario of whatever we were talking about... Usually the debate ended at me convincing her to see the different variables leading to the outcome we could see.
Where did you get footage of me and my INTJ friend?! 😂
(Also the “no tangents I’m not done”- I feel that pain sm- I have an annoyingly amount of XSXJ’s in my family who say that all the time and then I get bored and leave)
Sounds frustrating! Why would they not want to explore the millions of possibilities your mind has in store for the conversation, none of them being 'relevant right now'? :D
@@tenebict And this is where I can use my Ti to throw acid onto an impertinent Ni user:
"How did you determine what is 'relevant right now'? Seems like it isn't about literal survival, so you're just choosing like I'm just choosing. And I'm going to choose something that's less boring than whatever you're droning on about. Your chosen topic simply isn't big enough for me. Goodbye!" *disappears in pink-purple smoke, leaving a ramen packet and a bottle of sauce labeled Ne*
@@restlessmosaic is it possible to learn this power?
@@tenebict Yes. Here's some advice I found from "How to Win at Nintendo Games" by Jeff Rovin (new expanded edition, 1989):
"Hit the Block to the right, then the next Block over. Your foe will fall to its death, after which you can ascend one side of the upper room - capturing the goods behind the Blocks midway up - build a bridge across the room to the Bell, and descend the other side - again, collecting powers from the Blocks - before going to the Key room. After grabbing it, go down and out."
"Focus!"
*I'm focusing on finding cool tangents!*
I'm an ENTJ and my brother is ENTP. This is basically every day lol
Love how this is almost 3 times as long as the one with the sensors.
Totally, we try to find the substance !
Different perspectives, and lost the train of thoughts ! So right.
I'm an ISTP, and this video made me realize how similar Ne and Ti can look in a conversation. Might sound weird but hear me out: An Ne user might take an idea that is being discussed and start talking about a topic that seems disconnected or irrelevant to the conversation, but internally the user has found some abstract connection between the two things. (This is my basic understanding of it; my understanding of intuition is limited since my mind favors sensing greatly). Well, when I am in a conversation with someone, something similar happens: we may be talking about the solar system (as one does, obviously) and while talking about it, I'll suddenly say something like "did you know that Venus is the hottest planet in the solar system due to its thicker atmosphere, and not because of its proximity to the sun?", and then I'll start talking about Venus or about misconceptions of the Solar System (Yes I am a huge nerd for astronomy). The thoughts seem disconnected, but there is a more clear link between them made by some logical explanation or fact. However, in a real conversation, it might also feel like it came out of nowhere to the other person.
It is complicated to compare them, because Ne and Ti have different roles, but I thought they can come off as similar too, for a different reason: Ti is always looking for inconsistencies and poking holes on stuff, so while Ne users are expressing different perspectives, Ti is looking for ways to break their logic. I guess that is why TiNe is seen as the best combination for debates.
Congratulations! You acquired: INTP 😅
@@marinaabreu9323 Makes sense. I guess I was looking at similarities in a more superficial way.
@@Dr._Bo Lol sometimes I wish I had their power of infinite possibilities because auxiliary Se can make you feel super dumb when you have intuitive friends talking about a bunch of loosely-connected abstract topics. They all talk like Socrates and I'm just sitting there like "uhhh... yeah that's cool and all, but you guys wanna play xbox?"
@@lucianalfaro9170 bro, I WISH to get some Se. Sometime I wish I were ISTP. A lot of the times people push me to decide things on the moment/in the way because they say I'm slow🤣
Great video, as always Kristen!
But as an INFJ, I'm more confused than ever, since I totally resonate with NI and the need for meaning and purpose, but I also take a lot of time to understand other people's perspectives before coming to conclusions.
Insights, please?!
*Kristin
I would say your second part might be because of the second function Fe that INFJs prefer, which is why you take time understanding "other people's" perspectives. For me as an ENTP, I don't form my opinion based off of other people's perspectives, it's more like other possible perspectives in general. I try to see every possible viewpoint, but with Ti I think it comes more off of what I think makes sense as a perspective. Another thing, your third part, coming to conclusions, is not a very Ne thing to do in my experience. I don't usually think that I will ever be able to come to a true conclusion, perhaps because Ne is always searching for more information (even here I'm doubting this sentence and trying to remember if I've ever "concluded" anything)
I'm the same! I am able to see where others are coming from and show different perspective, but only if I'm reacting to ideas of others. Maybe that's because of Fe that wants to include everyone's opinion? When I talk about my ideas,I will zoom in and focus with some kind of tunnel vision.
There was some talk on the patreon page about how this person is probably using Ni with Te. I believe I’m also an INFJ and in this situation, my Fe never would have allowed me to keep steering the conversation back to what I wanted to focus on in this way. I’d probably have gone off on the chicken tangent and wondered more about it when I was alone later.
I feel like I keep my Ni perceptions largely to myself and what I put out into the world is going to look more like Ne or Se most of the time. It seems an easier way to relate to people. Even if you’re with another Ni dom, you’re probably digging into two different rabbit holes and it’s hard to do with someone else. In the rare case that the perception is fully formed, I put it out there. Or it may come off as weird questions that probably seem out of left field but make sense in my head (again looking random and Ne-like since the person wasn’t privy to the line of thought before).
@@mjprozac And the Ne dom at one point speculates that it's probably out of a sense of belonging (Fe) but then downplays its importance by saying that she doesn't support any team (Ti).
Ne is me 100%. I get scared of some strong views and just don't say anything if I don't know them well enough lol
Ah yes, this is me too. Especially when it comes to politics.
Definitely Team Ne over here.
Go team.
Chose a mascot yet? 🙃
Looool
This is basically an Intj having a discussion with an Entp.
As an ENTP I felt so seen ❤️
"No, no tangents I'm not done"
And that's when I check out of the conversation ;)
thank you kristin i was literally waiting for this video, i hope you continue this series! ❤
as an INTP I didn't realize how accurate this was until like halfway through when it all came together, the bit about just trying to give different perspectives is spot on
That is simply beautiful. Sometimes I have doubts as to if I really am an Ni-dom, but after watching such a skit they vanish completely. Thanks!
THIS IS SO GOOD!! INFJ married to INTP and towards the end it was totally us 😂. Lots of ENFP vibes in that character for me though. You totally nailed the depth and the whys, the “agree with me!!” and the thanks I lost my train of thought 🙄
*''Or...''* is what Ni never wants to hear
This seems more Ti. Lots of judging going on. Less perception and imagery focus. This convo is simply about the two’s perspectives on what makes sense and what is wrong/right or not.
Hahaha I get so immersed, sometimes I forget that this two Kristin are the same Kristin. Good job!
Very interesting as always! Haha
I will say though, as an Ni dom myself, there have been plenty of times where I supported a team just because I thought the logo looked cool or they had a cooler color theme than the opposing team.
Sometimes life really can be that simple…sometimes. 😂
Same, and I'm an Ni user too (infj)
my 2 demons going at it in my brain 24/7
What an amazing representation of my inner dialogues lol
my dad's an ENTJ and i'm an INFP and this is how almost every single conversation we have goes, with the added flavoring of completely opposite dominant functions! talking is fun. real fun.
I have been doubting always about Ni and Ne in thought process. I had a talk with a Ne aux friend and was nearly this
Thanks for making me realize im a Ni dom again
It also sounds like Te vs Fe, Te being channeled by the Ni user and Fe being channeled by the Ne user. One focuses on justification and competency, the other focuses on community
I watch pretty much all of your videos, and this is one of the most relatable skits I’ve ever seen of Ni portrayal when one isn't relying too heavily on Fe. You absolutely nailed the dynamic between Ne and Ni users!! Great job :) -INFJ
That's a really cool point you brought up, I didn't even think of that. The Ni in the skit wasn't really concerned with Fe, they were just in that "Ni zone". I'm an INFJ too, so I can definitely relate!
That was brilliant. Oddly enough, while I have Ne, I found all the points Ni made fair and I have those thoughts myself, but she lost me in the second part on how self-centred she was. I agreed with Ne then, as yes, we understand your opinion but there are so many different perspectives indeed.
This reminded me a lot of a discussion I had with my best friend on a matter that I think was more about her Fi and having to bring some Fe in the conversation. She would focus on her feelings on a matter and how it affected her and I had to point it out and tell her to take distance from her perspective for a moment and while she was right to be hurt, she also had to put herself into the other person's shoes for a bit and see all the hardships they are through, so she could be more understanding and patient with them.
Exactly! As an INFP I value this in Fe users a lot, gotta learn to not be self centered, thank you for your patience with us. BTW I'm curious, what is your type and your friend's type?
@@MarianaSilva-kh4io Thank you for taking the time to read my comment and for your kind answer 🌸
My best friend is an INFP, just like you 😊 And I am an ISFJ. MBTI has helped me to understand her better and figure out how to approach her in moments like that, as her Fi is so powerful, which could cause unfair assumptions. And just like you, she values the Fe I possess, and she doesn't get me wrong when I try to get her to see the other possible points of view.
I have Ni (j3rd function though, so take it with a grain of salt) and I agree the 2nd half sounded self-centered.
I can see why she would react that way, though: When I am trying to explain something and someone cuts it off, I completely loose my train of thought. It is really frustrating and (for me personally, an introvert with inferior Fe), it just sounds like the other person isn't interested in my thoughts.
I would be totally open to discuss different perspectives after I finished explaining mine, but if I am interrupted, I would either get mad or just shut off.
@@marinaabreu9323 That's understandable. Everyone loses track when they get interrapted. And it is annoying to be fair.
@@CineShinya I don't really know if that's how it works with Ni doms, so it is just one of the possibilities🤷
The observation about the team's songs reminds me of Weird Al's "Sports Song." A classic.
Ni is so heavy and complicated sometimes, but I wouldn’t have it any other way in my head🤷♀️😅😂🤣
As an INFJ with an ENFP mum this is basically a really good representation of how quite a number of our chats go. And why finding out our types has been such an important thing. That said EN's can have can have deeper conversations, you just need to catch them at the right moment.
I think we do need to remember this sometimes though, however much we may fight against it to begin with, we can tend to over analyse and over think things. And I think we do need to talk it out to decompress and feel heard, sometimes allowing ourselves to listen to go with an EN perspective can actually allow ourselves to have fun and decompress too. As an IN I know how exhausting and limiting it can be and just getting on with things "just because" it needs to be done, or "because it's fun" or "because it'll be good enough for what's needed" keeps us from never getting anything done and especially the perfectionistic viscous cycle that can often keep us frozen.
Love these in real life interactions! Really helps to flesh out the concepts!
OH this is the best series for clarifying functions, the way i was nodding along to everything Ni was saying and started to get annoyed with Ne even though I’m not really in the skit 😭
The fact that my mind instantly went KFC bucket when the chicken mascot was mentioned clearly shows which function I lean more towards😂
I've been arguing like the Ni type since I was a kid. No one ever really seems to get it.
Me as an ENTJ with my ENFP sister....
Omg the Ni was soooo on point xD as an Ni dom this was an amazing representation of how i see things ! And ''losing the thought when interrupted'' is 100% spot on xD it always happens to me
I've been trying to really grasp the difference between these two for a while (myself being an Ne user) and just had an epiphany that I think explains it in a way that feels concrete and experiential for me vs. abstract.
Both Ne and Ni want to understand the generalized rules or "concepts" behind things. They want to understand how the specific thing they're perceiving (event, object, information etc.) fits into the larger scheme of the world. What is it an "instance" of? For both Ne and Ni, things are only meaningful when they're "an instance" of a particular pattern or framework. When they exemplify a particular concept. I never resonated with the description of intuition as "pattern recognition", because my own Ne never felt that way to me - I never felt like I was going out "looking for a bunch of patterns", and if you asked me to tell you about some patterns I saw in the world, I couldn't tell you anything. But if I reframe "recognizing patterns" to mean that every time I come across something, I try to understand "what concept it's an instance of" (i.e. where it fits in my framework of the world), then that makes perfect sense, and it's something I feel myself doing all the time.
Now, both Ne and Ni are trying to understand what concepts the things they're seeing and experiencing are "instances of". The difference is where they focus their attention.
For an Ni, they focus on the concept and hold that as their constant. So they're looking for many "instances" of one concept. Information is meaningful to then when it can be applied to that one concept, which they often hold as a universal truth. So the way they use "pattern recognition" is by finding as many instances of their one concept, and using those instances as data points to refine their concept.
Ne's, on the other hand, focus on the "thing", and hold that as their constant. So instead of trying see how many "instances" fit into one concept, they're trying to see how many concepts fit into this one instance. They want to know how many different angles they can take to look at something, and what they can learn about what this instance "means" from each of those angles. So they use "pattern recognition" by finding as many concepts for their one thing, and using those concepts to highlight and illuminate different aspects of that thing.
So to conclude, Ne and Ni are both applying generalized concepts to the things they perceive in order to understand them. But Ne's just care about the thing that's right in front of them, and want to understand that thing as thoroughly as possible by applying different lenses to it (which gives them a strong structural understanding of things, for those of you who are familiar with socionics), while Ni's care about understanding some deeper truth about the nature of the universe, and use the things they see or experience as tools to refine that truth or vision.
This is actually pretty entertaining 😂. I score support/aux Ne so I can relate to Ne, but can also understand and put myself in Ni’s shoes and frustration.
I was a little late in watching this one! I have to say that is so accurate, as a Ni-dom my my train of thought completely breaking after the Ne tangent interrupts! This has happened a lot between me and a Ne-tertiary in my life who then doesn't understand why I can no longer explain what it was I was trying to explain.
In the Ne's defense... The Ni kept asking "why?"
The Ne was only giving a reasonable explanation.
--ENTP
Exactlyyyy -INTP
That is very close to how conversations between me (INTJ) and my INFP sister tend to go. Except, neither of us are sports fans.
When you made a big stink about it being all about your perspective, and then couldn't remember what you were even talking about...You nailed it!
Lol lol lol this is quite a unique take on these traits! 🤣 I can relate to some of this. More of this please
As an ESTP this was wild to watch lol. I have Ni in 4th place lol, so I just kept bouncing between who I agree with. Like, "Oooh yeah she (Ni) has a point", and then also "but like honestly just chill out about it man, you're overthinking it" haha
This is so accurate lmaooo i'm totally ne 😭
Gaddamn!!!😂
Ni dom here and I'll say this spot on! 🎩
i love this!! seriously the best ni & ne representation i have ever seen!! hoping to see the other functions comparisons too
Ne will spread out their mind to something that it’s quantity over quality, Ni will put their mind fully to something to an idea and insight.
Ne will experiment, Ni will guess.
Ne debate with themselves, Ni believe in themselves
Dear Kristin,
Thank you for the very simple, but very easy-to-understand explanation. You made my day. You have helped me understand myself better.
With love,
An INTJ.
"No tangents I'm not done"
I should use that on my ENXP friends.
“No tangents”
The amount of times I’ve heard as much…
Literally saw a school mascot yesterday and thought "why a crow?" - INTJ
I actually perceived the ENTJ vibe there. I think the Te is talking the most instead of Ni but it's kind of obvious both functions were trying to expose this problem and to delve into the origin of the reasons why things are like they are. And somehow, I'm with the Ne Dom. Man, people are just simple sometimes. Not all the actions must have a deeper meaning behind.
My tertiary Ni thinks like that. But I seldom actually argue with people who are so obviously wrong. 🤣
As an INFJ, I SOO understand where the Ni in this is coming from! AND the Ne sounds like the ENTP best friend in my life.
INFJ here, this video is like I ever talked to you about a matter that I have thought over and over again 😂
I’m definitely Ne, and I’ve actually researched mascots before 😂 (ENFP)
This explains every conversation I’ve ever had with my sister
"No tangents, I'm not done" basically sums up the entire video 😂
I am isfj and my daughter is infj... These last two video with si and ni I feel as though you have secretly videoed interactions in my home... They could not be more accurate. Keep em coming!!