Starting over is harder than starting up. The game is actually surprisingly therapeutic once you've beaten it a few times. Your first run might take 3 hours, or 6, or over 10. But miraculously your 2nd run may only take 40 minutes. Then your 3rd, 4th and 5th may take 30, 25, and 20 minutes respectively. Truly finding peace with this game is being part of the 2.5% who have climbed the mountain over 50 times. I absolutely hated my first playthrough, but by the time I got the achievement for 50 mountains climbed, I realized I've been doing it just to relax after finishing college homework, just booting it up for 15 minutes to unwind. Then before you realize it you're climbing the mountain in less than 10 minutes. I gave up on getting personal best times after beating it in less than 5 minutes, but I've still climbed the mountain more than 50 times since then, just to relax and pass the time, distracting myself from thoughts and the outside world. A lot of people mute Bennett's dialogue before they even get the chance to beat it twice, but at this point it's becoming soothing to me. I hope this video encourages some of you to reboot the game and take a shot at it. I'm glad Max was able to pull through and truly understand that it's not simply a rage game, but an inspiration.
I always considered it similar to Stockholm syndrome, a game that tormented me for many hours, but now, with over 200 hours and 500 wins, is almost calming. For example, I would rage quit R6 Siege, and immediately load up Getting Over It to calm down. Ironic, but expected if you think about it.
You forgot the best part about Diogenes. Alexander said that were he not Alexander, he would wish to be Diogenes. Diogenes heard about this and remarked were I not Diogenes, I too would wish to be Diogenes.
It takes dedication to see the game through. I think that’s why they make a great metaphor for life. It takes dedication to see something to the end. No matter how hard it may seem
If you can overcome your anger and attachment to victory, you are on another level of humanity. Letting go of any emotion is completely impossible and when you feel one, you must live it through. And without a goal, you can't win or suceed. I certainly would have lost it with this game. I can't stand when one tiny thing goes wrong, as it ruins everything for me. It makes me so irritable.
100% Setting your own goals and adapting to achieve them is essential for a game like this. Struggling to become a better and more capable version of yourself brings a unique contentment
@@josedorsaith5261 what if I just can't master my emotions? Trust me, I tried. But the slightest annoyance upsets me to no end. I always wish harm on those who annoyed me even the slightest.
When it comes to games.. it's not worth the heartache. When it comes to life, having a full life and experience will help a lot. On top of a healthy lifestyle, good sleep etc. If those things are out of balance, you're already making it harder to control emotion. And honestly, feeling emotion is normal, it's how you deal with it that matters. Like you said, we can never get rid of emotion, but we can learn to weave and transform it
@@blahblahgdp I do live a very healthy lifestyle. I just don't control my emotions and loose it over small things. No matter how much sleep I get or what I eat or how much exercise I do. I always have been this way
That is what being a gamer means. Many people mention MGS2. Well, I played in 2001 and it's message was ethereally impossible. Imagine my continious state of sad wonder I've been experience since 2015 seeing how well it predicted our lives.
as someone with borderline personality disorder, i envy anyone that can cleanse themselves of such neurosis, unfortunatley, bpd is named such because its the border between psychosis and neurosis, we cant escape our hellishly amplified emotions. But i digress, fantastic vid as always max
I learned this same lesson by raiding in mmos. You go in with many other people, and someone else making mistakes is enough to kill your entire party over and over and over. But, something I learned along the way is that there is no such thing as wasted effort. Even if my session doesn't result in a boss kill or seeing new boss mechanics, I am still improving. I am a much better player today than I was when I started two years ago, and letting go of anger of losing a good attempt due to someone else was the first step.
Your description of frustration channeled into self discovery reminds me greatly of my personal journey through learning the martial art Aikido. For some context, Aikido involves throwing people as your main form of counter attack and if you're going to learn how to throw people, you're going to first need people to throw for practice. So for the first several months of your training, you're just taking fall after fall after fall after fall. You feel like someone learning how to skateboard or maybe someone learning how to walk again after years in a wheel chair. It's awkward, it's scary and at first it hurts because you're always doing it wrong. However eventually you start to notice that if you fall a certain way and if you kind of lean into the fall and almost pour yourself into the fall, then you can turn the fall into a roll and suddenly all of that energy you though you were losing, all of that posture that was going away, that terror of losing your balance becomes replaces with contentment that you will recoup that energy. After enough practice the act of falling gets turned into rotational kinetic energy that you then learn to use to stand yourself right back up. After thousands of repetitions you start to feel just as comfortable upside down as you do standing up. Suddenly you see life as a series of small opportunities instead of setbacks. Now I don't know if I'm Manic depressive or autistic or some combination of things but Aikido greatly helped me with emotional self mastery. I've learned that my own emotional equilibrium is often not worth getting all bent out of shape over. Now I want to say that all of these lessons came from me just falling on my ass and standing back up but there was one other element that was of vital importance to me and that was the lesson of letting things happen. You see, in Aikdio, most of the energy of a technique come from the person attacking you. Think of it this way, when you attack, you often concentrate your focus on one point and this focus can be used against you as the attacker. In many ways it's like how a bullfighter fights a bull by drawing the bull's focus to the cape and stepping aside. If the bull was more calm it would be more difficult to manipulate. When one is hyper focused anything outside of your focus will feel like it came out of left field. So you could say that I was quite surprised when one day (and this was quite out of character so I think I might have been bored) I decided to try to actually punch my sensei as part of a training exercise and wound up flat on my ass for my effort. I remember too that I really wanted to punch him too and that was why I was thrown so far. No it wasn't as punishment. I remeber when I started throwing my real punch that my sensei's face lit up with this huge smile of relief! "Finally!" His expression said to me. "Finally I get to do a real throw!" This was when I learned that the power of the throw came from the attacker and the more blind and full of rage my foe, the harder I could punish him. More accurately it taught me the the angrier I was the easier I could be distracted deceived or punished for my lack of awareness. This lesson taught me that I was at my most vulnerable when I was angry or at least when I was hyper focused on one outcome. It also helped may me more sympathetic to the anger of others and to the frustration that causes such anger and it also allowed me to process the anger of others more easily without myself also becoming angry. Anger comes first from a sense of loss. So often times it is just better to properly grieve and to accept a loss instead of to rage over one. Nice work in the game and in explaining you personal journey, keep the great videos coming! =D
Great video man, honestly think its one of your best! Love the deeper insight of not just persevering and conquering the mountain, but using the game as a outlet to master your emotions and further temper your resolve and outlook.
This is actually one of the rare videos of yours that managed to make me laugh on the floor. At the same time it also engaged me to hear more about your parables. Bravo!
I have always loved how you bring attention to the subject of mental illness. One game that has and always will stand out to me, as its primary focus is in fact mental illness, and treats is with the upmost respect is Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice. There handling of Psychosis was so well done, as is the game in general, I often describe the game as an amazingly unique experience in gaming, albeit unsettling due to how well done it is. Also, I have to mention Melina Juergens performance is among the best any actor or Voice actor has ever given, in a game or movie/show. Especially when you consider she was just a video editor for the company and was only standing in while they looked for an actor. Hope you keep pumping out the great content sir, been a fan for a long time, and will continue to be.
I didnt even watch two minutes of this, but I can say that this is my favourite video. You are interesting to listen even if Im not familiar with the topic, but this game I played and I agree.
I feel like 90s video games (Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Megaman) were the norm, and examples of this. Despite a lot of rage quits, it helped me have the patience of coding and engineering.
16:21 + 16:38 => It seems to me like the character is washing the ladder since he performs the same movements we would do when we scrub something XD XD.
As an autistic person I also enjoy difficult games; while I wouldn’t classify Death Stranding as difficult akin to the souls franchise it’s a nice blend of difficulty that keeps you focused on what you’re doing, and has an incredible story that is just begging for your particular brand of analysis.
Great video Max, I am glad that this game got to inspire you so deeply. Here another video game suggestion for you ; it is my favorite story in any form of media ever: The house in Fata Morgana (preferably dreams of the revenants edition on the switch). I have never seen a story this good and will never experience something like that ever again. Hopefully you read this comment and are prepared to give it a shot. Perhaps surprisingly, it is rated as one of the best switch games ever made and can be found in the top 25 games of all time on that website.Why you may ask? Well, it is not because of the great gameplay or innovative design I can tell you that. Rather, it is the sheer, raw beauty and tragedy expressed in its phenomenal story. Do yourself a favor and play it, you will thank me later.
Even I get fustrated with hard games like this. With the annoying cheap deaths and the accidental mistakes we make in the game. Puts me in a meltdown, and start cursing like a sailor. I always want to avoid that rage, and try to get myself into the positive side. Even if it means getting cheap deaths from enemies and bosses at times. Watching you play this game, really did inspire me to be cool with it.
as long as it's intended i can deal with that, if not tho? holy crap. i could take losing some finely crafted boss for days on without stopping, but a couple fo deaths in dark souls 1's crystal cave due to it's shitty geodata or missing a few headshot that turn into a game loss in an fps because the netcode is bad or i was lagging? that is infuriating beyond belief. as long as things can be analyzed, as long as i can look at something and go "Well, i cna do better next time" that's all right. but the moment the answer to me analyzing the question becomes "the game is just bad, and if i lost, or even worse if my team lost isn't an error i made but simply a matter of chance saying "nah, not today" i'll just lose any interest in playing that game. in the past i would have gotten a meltdown as max says, nowadays, i just limit myself to say "i got better things to do".
As someone who also has autism, I relate a lot to this because I refunded the game before getting very far in it or failing many times. Mostly because I knew I'd get really angry, but now I kinda wanna buy it to see if I can reach the same conclusion about the connection between attachment and anger.
I've beaten the game just a couple days and I'm at my 12th win now. I'm going for the "complete the game 50 times achievement". So far my fastest time was 23 minutes. I will say that I didn't use a tutorial for like half the game, but the other half I did ( Orange hell, though I figured out my own strat, The Hat hill jump, the Anvil jump, and the Ice Mountain). I would say I had more of a meltdown as well as a spiritual experience with Jump King. With that said, I still like Getting Over It. I think it's a great game, but I vastly appreciate and respect Jump King more. Jump King was not only like therapy, but like I said, I had a spiritual experience with it as well. Jump King also has different things you can focus on while climbing up to the smoking hot babe at the top of the tower, something that might fit better with your autism. Perhaps that's the difference. For Jump King, I experimented and figured out a LOT of things all on my own, but with Getting Over It, I just wanted to get it done. So you talked about the snake at the end, and I gotta say, Jump King has something Much more interesting when it comes to surrender and letting go. I highly recommend that you play it, and not only that, I recommend that you go after the birds and and do all the side quest stuff. I think you'll see how much more deeper Jump King really is.
This game is to this time installed on my laptop. Tho i can rage in shooters in this game i didn't as much. And i took all achievements. For those who don't know you should go through the game 50 times. 50. And music with Foddy's commentaries didnt play on my nerves
I'll try to remember this going forward with my difficult game choices. I don't touch Souls for this reason. I could have saved my Mrs some stress over the Rat King killing me over and over last night had I just turned down the difficulty sooner...🤦♂️
i'm actually surprised by the way that many people would think autistic people would have particular issues with managing anger in games, at least non-multiplayer ones; i've always seen autism as ove-rrationalization of problems and as such, the conclusion that getting angry at a game designed to make you angry is futile in itself if not for analyzing that very same anger would come natural to an autistic person, just like in souls games, celeste, or any other form of game where learning by messing up is of critical importance, if you're alrady used to those games as an autistic person i'd expect you would be already be able to channel the mentality of "no point wasting time on getting angry, at most, analyze why you messed up and do better, if you still feel like it of course" it comes to a surprise then, that people and you yourself had the exact opposite expectation, seeing how i myself am on the ASD...
Hey thanks for this lovely comment Lucavenn! Knowing that I could change somebody else’s life in the same way that MGS2 changed mine is the most sublime feeling. As far as Attack on Titan goes, I will inevitably watch it. Just not sure when. There are lots of other anime I still need to do videos on.
Max, I'm glad you got important lessons from playing this nightm, I mean, game. But please don't go too far and overwork (or "orverplay"?) with games that are just difficult and frustrating just to make people feel bad.
9:15 - That doesn't sound right to me. Related anxieties concerning family, my own mortality and maybe even justice/revenge against the person who shot me with an arrow would surely more likely serve to motivate me further to seek medical help, get up and move forwards - not paralyse me in frustration over the possibilities? Especially the concern about others relying on you, if anything that might numb the pain & frustration.
I love your voice. May I say that your voice reminds me of Sheldon's (in The Big Bang Theory)? It's neither a compliment, nor an offense, just a remark / opinion...
Disliked and unsuscribed. I appreciate your analysis, but the moment at 2:56 really hurt me. You tought it was funny, but it wasnt. Try it yourself with headphones on.
Wow, I had no clue about the autism, & in the time between me binging your vids (tho not the oldest ones clearly) and now, I got an OCD diagnosis. Obv not the same thing, but I always got the feeling you saw things similarly to how I did. I’m sure part of that’s just good taste 😁 but the dissective approach to media in general is very relatable, & it kinda makes me see my own issue as less of a detriment. Thank you 🙏 Every bit of advice here is gonna help me so much too btw, I’ve finally gotten into Soulsbornes & I have an issue with meltdowns as well (though I don’t know if I knew to diagnose it as such). I still prefer headier story-centric stuff, but that’s just bc I’m not particularly good with patience. I’ll grab this game too, it actually looks pretty enjoyable in the way something like Snowrunner & Death Stranding…tho it looks a lot more punishing too. Maybe it’ll train me for the Soulsbornes? 😅 …Not beating it twice tho, you’ve got some superpowers to do that. I’d have never touched it if you’d have not condoned it, however, so thanks for putting a spotlight on it ❤
This reminds me of a time where I feel I had a glimpse of this peace. I was riding the train to meet my girlfriend in Wales. I was stressing about the time the train arrives that I need and potential delays I was unsteady and anxious about people being near me I stressed about possibly leaving my bags at certain points in my journey and the thought they'd be stolen and i would sit restless thinking my wallet my phone would be pickpocketed on the way to her. Being a paranoid person this is a ritual that I face constantly. On the way as I watched the passing fields and trees go by I realised I couldn't recognise a single part of the journey I had taken hundreds of times before on the train and I looked at the next stop and it was unrecognisable. I could feel my tension rising as one of my fears has been realised so I got off and began to panic while trying to text my girlfriend I had made an error on the way while approaching the next stop texting her on my very slow phone. I got off and could feel anger and fear bloom from that cesspit of anxiety. My thoughts were flooded with scenarios of what ifs. What if I'm stuck here for hours what if I have to go home and miss out seeing my girlfriend what if because my girlfriend left to meet me at the station she's attacked what if she died and I was partly the cause. I couldn't get a grip so I paced back and forth the station and stood in the middle of the bridge overlooking the tracks. Then I just paused. I watched this billowing cloud of smoke from this factory wander across the sky and gentle rain began tapping the concrete floor and i began to relax and accept all the problems and let them pass as all they did was cause me suffering. I looked at the planted flowers with dancing droplets upon them and I couldn't help but think how lucky I am to observe it. I was smiling because from the moment of realisation of what error I made I cursed the town I was in but now i felt joy at being there and embracing how calm it was. I try keeping that mentally close although it does slip on occasion but I bless the fact it'll be ok. I leapt on the next train and it coincidentally would take me to the stop I desired and met my wonderful girlfriend and had a fantastic time. I wouldn't have that understanding if not for the error I made and not for winding up in Chirk.
English is not my first language so sorry for the bad grammar. This video just came to me as a Synchronicity and Im just in Shock as this came as a Direct answer to a lot of Dilemmas Im currently having, I´ve been following your channel for a While and I really love your videos but I never though that in a Video of a Videogame I dont care much about and that seemed just very interesting , would have such a great impact , even your videos about alchemy and other related topics in which I had more interest, I never had an Eureka moments like in this one . Thank you Max
I find it strange that we could be overstimulated by a video game at all. My overstimulation problems are only brought on by human interaction, especially representatives of bureaucracy or a corporation since they often refuse to let themselves be an individual person and instead use their position and regulations as a protective shield to purposely avoid being an individual person. The refusal to interact with me as two individuals talking, instead making themselves a non-human part of some amalgamated collective, sends me into rage mode. Video games have certainly frustrated me, but they have never triggered overstimulation. 🦊🐾
here's the key to unlocking that overstimulation of rage in games: multiplayer games, especially team based games. that being said, the only other form of overstimulation i ever get from games is dopamine addiction, as the rush from beating a hard challenge or just letting my laziness get through is addictive. still, outside those desires, i'm surprised autistic people like me seem to have issues with applying logic to games and i wonder why, as the whole reason i love games so much is the fact that i can eviscerate their inner workings and explain them, whenever something happens that i like or dislike there's always a reason in games, ad while irl it might be far too hard to pinpoint a reason for something happening, in videogames, no matter how hard, eventually you'll find a reason and consequently, a solution. ...lag aside, which is why lag/bad netcode and similar coding mishaps are the only things that truly anger me in games, in the case they lead to a failure. anything else can be rationalized and improved upon after all.
Despite its qualities, I think we can all agree that this will likely go down as one of those games that's almost exclusively known for RUclips reaction videos, like FNAF 😅
It's right in the title. You just have to learn to "get over it." There's something about this game that I admire. At the time of writing this I've beaten it at least 14 times (yes I am aiming for that achievement where you beat the game 50 times) and after I beat it the first time I started to listen in more to what Bennett was saying with each playthrough and I started appreciating the things he was saying more and more. He does have a lot of good points. Heck I even think this game might have helped a bit with my depression. I can guarantee that though it may depend on what kind of a person you are there's a chance that if you do climb that mountain all the way to the top, even once. It might make you feel better.
I need to peep the mental health vids, I think I caught all his game content in a playlist & missed out some really good shit! Did see the analysis of the biblical content at least, very interesting stuff. Wish I had this level of patience & wisdom myself!
MAX, SILENT HILL THE SHORT MESSAGE JUST GOT A SURPRISE RELEASE AND SILENT HILL 2 REMAKE GOT A GAMEPLAY TRAILER. YOU NEED TO DO A VIDEO ON SOMETHING ABOUT ONE OF THESE TOPICS
perhaps im an oddball but i can't remember my anger at this game anymore, i journeyed to get 50 clears for the achievement and golden pot, and i kept playing after that, now i have 100 hours in it just from playing it leisurely. it honestly is kind of meditative
Thanks for doing this video, Max. I brought getting over it years ago but let frustration (about a third of the way through the game) stop me playing and uninstalled the game. This video inspired me to give it another go. A week later and I've completed the game (and then again, and a third time). While there are moments of intense frustration along the way it eventually gave way to an odd feeling of calm. Finishing the game a second time (in under an hour compared to the 10+ for the first completion) definitely provoked some introspection for me. Probably not an experience I would have had without this video so wanted to pass on my thanks.
I feel like all the philosophy on failure of this game end up getting sidestepped by me because here I instead enjoy the process, the physics of the hammer and the cauldron. "Failing" here means I get to mess around with all of those interesting sections of the game's level again, and that just makes me happy and entertained instead lol
This video game makes you learn patience, indeed. But, honestly, how come such a game exists? I mean isn't it dumb / weird or whatever, to actually play a guy in a cauldron, using a hammer to move?? Btw, I feel dizzy when playing this kind of games, even though I don't feel dizzy IRL, that's odd. In video games, I'm always ill at ease when we have to jump and so on... I'm afraid of falling XD.
On a serious note metacognition is apparently the word for my superpower (hobby). I'm never playing this game but I've also found myself attracted to Buddhism, the discarding of delusions and attachment in order to be free.
Ahh, the masochism game genre. A popular choice for EZ content farms on Twitch and RUclips (people enjoy watching others suffer). I dislike and avoid suffering myself. So I chose to never play these games. No regrets.
Really enjoying your videos, and this one stuck out to me. I enjoy hard games, but often have gotten overwhelmed with anger at them. I actually discussed this in therapy, which helped a ton. I think it's interesting that my therapist's advice was very similar to the philosophers' advice (at least mechanically), but with a very different explanation. Basically what I learned from that is, I was looking at anger itself as a negative. Like, I don't want to feel this way, I don't want to experience the anger, and in some ways I was even scared of it, even though I'd get to that point frequently. What I learned was that the anger is there, it's a part of me, and it's not a bad thing. I learned that emotions are sort of like warning signals, which were helpful when we were cave people or hunter/gatherers, but now can misfire. So I learned to embrace the emotion, say thank you for your warning, I appreciate it, you're welcome here, and I've got this under control. It was revelatory and truly beneficial to start living that way.
I hope you can play Shin Megami Tensei IV and its sequel, Apocalypse. In SMT IV: Apocalypse there is a certain character that is called "The Arbiter" that puts you in the game to a test, where he mentions something akin to this video. "If the soul is at peace, even in the depths of Hell shall one find comfort"
I somehow discovered you after your autism videos and didn't realize you are autistic but you made me think why I can enjoy some difficult games and others I don't. I never considered getting angry with a game (or just having enough and being tired of it) as an 'autistic meltdown' and I still kind of don't. But it is incredibly true that games that give you a way to approach from a different angle, no matter how difficult, are so much more enjoyable to me. If the game is designed well enough and it's not frustrating I don't mind it being one way to play type of a deal. At the same time too much freedom is also overwhelming (Me playing Baldur's Gate 3 when I never played these types of games)... As for this game... I don't think it deserves the recognition it got. I'm sure there are many trash concepts like this one (If it wasn't obvious I hate this game with passion) that just faded into obscurity because they weren't picked up by content creators. Everything can be deep and philosophical enough if you obsess enough about it. With games like these, that seem to be made just to torture players with bad controls and everything, the talk about emotions and everything is just gas lighting if anything to make you believe that this is something more than it really is. And once you beat the game you are trying to find the justification, the deeper meaning to all the time and effort and nerves you've wasted on this pointless and un-enjoyable game. You want something for all that effort but in reality you've wasted time on a garbage game while you could be doing something you like.
I have also been diagnosed with autism and play a lot of games people consider rage inducing. I'll curse and swear but I recognize when to stop and cool off for the most part. I've never reached a point where I might break things. Just wanted to throw that out there too. That said I've never played Getting Over It myself, because a game being difficult because of arbitrarily awkward controls seems like it would be frustrating in the wrong way for my autism. Plus the passive aggressive sounding dialogue mentioned yes.
Starting over is harder than starting up.
The game is actually surprisingly therapeutic once you've beaten it a few times. Your first run might take 3 hours, or 6, or over 10. But miraculously your 2nd run may only take 40 minutes. Then your 3rd, 4th and 5th may take 30, 25, and 20 minutes respectively. Truly finding peace with this game is being part of the 2.5% who have climbed the mountain over 50 times. I absolutely hated my first playthrough, but by the time I got the achievement for 50 mountains climbed, I realized I've been doing it just to relax after finishing college homework, just booting it up for 15 minutes to unwind. Then before you realize it you're climbing the mountain in less than 10 minutes. I gave up on getting personal best times after beating it in less than 5 minutes, but I've still climbed the mountain more than 50 times since then, just to relax and pass the time, distracting myself from thoughts and the outside world. A lot of people mute Bennett's dialogue before they even get the chance to beat it twice, but at this point it's becoming soothing to me. I hope this video encourages some of you to reboot the game and take a shot at it. I'm glad Max was able to pull through and truly understand that it's not simply a rage game, but an inspiration.
I always considered it similar to Stockholm syndrome, a game that tormented me for many hours, but now, with over 200 hours and 500 wins, is almost calming. For example, I would rage quit R6 Siege, and immediately load up Getting Over It to calm down. Ironic, but expected if you think about it.
You forgot the best part about Diogenes. Alexander said that were he not Alexander, he would wish to be Diogenes. Diogenes heard about this and remarked were I not Diogenes, I too would wish to be Diogenes.
This is like replaying a GTA mission over and over even after being shot down just before completing it.
All you had to do was follow the damn train cj
@@Undone545 just wanted to say it
worse in completion
@@Undone545 it was easy but the others have that pain
DarkViperAU identifies with that. A lot.
It takes dedication to see the game through. I think that’s why they make a great metaphor for life. It takes dedication to see something to the end. No matter how hard it may seem
That Marcus Aurelius quote never took account of the fact that the waves grind down and break cliffs eventually.
woops
Noone is immortal, but like the cliffs we can endure a long while.
Well no really the cliffs were formed by the very waves they stand against.
And new cliffs will resurface after a couple million years. Which subsequently be eroded, by waves for example, and the process will commence anew.
If you can overcome your anger and attachment to victory, you are on another level of humanity. Letting go of any emotion is completely impossible and when you feel one, you must live it through. And without a goal, you can't win or suceed. I certainly would have lost it with this game. I can't stand when one tiny thing goes wrong, as it ruins everything for me. It makes me so irritable.
You’re fucking based, all this advice be true AF
100%
Setting your own goals and adapting to achieve them is essential for a game like this.
Struggling to become a better and more capable version of yourself brings a unique contentment
@@josedorsaith5261 what if I just can't master my emotions? Trust me, I tried. But the slightest annoyance upsets me to no end. I always wish harm on those who annoyed me even the slightest.
When it comes to games.. it's not worth the heartache.
When it comes to life, having a full life and experience will help a lot. On top of a healthy lifestyle, good sleep etc.
If those things are out of balance, you're already making it harder to control emotion.
And honestly, feeling emotion is normal, it's how you deal with it that matters. Like you said, we can never get rid of emotion, but we can learn to weave and transform it
@@blahblahgdp I do live a very healthy lifestyle. I just don't control my emotions and loose it over small things. No matter how much sleep I get or what I eat or how much exercise I do. I always have been this way
That is what being a gamer means. Many people mention MGS2. Well, I played in 2001 and it's message was ethereally impossible. Imagine my continious state of sad wonder I've been experience since 2015 seeing how well it predicted our lives.
as someone with borderline personality disorder, i envy anyone that can cleanse themselves of such neurosis, unfortunatley, bpd is named such because its the border between psychosis and neurosis, we cant escape our hellishly amplified emotions. But i digress, fantastic vid as always max
I learned this same lesson by raiding in mmos. You go in with many other people, and someone else making mistakes is enough to kill your entire party over and over and over. But, something I learned along the way is that there is no such thing as wasted effort. Even if my session doesn't result in a boss kill or seeing new boss mechanics, I am still improving. I am a much better player today than I was when I started two years ago, and letting go of anger of losing a good attempt due to someone else was the first step.
it took me 6 months to find best game essay ever
and it hits so hard
Your description of frustration channeled into self discovery reminds me greatly of my personal journey through learning the martial art Aikido.
For some context, Aikido involves throwing people as your main form of counter attack and if you're going to learn how to throw people, you're going to first need people to throw for practice.
So for the first several months of your training, you're just taking fall after fall after fall after fall. You feel like someone learning how to skateboard or maybe someone learning how to walk again after years in a wheel chair. It's awkward, it's scary and at first it hurts because you're always doing it wrong.
However eventually you start to notice that if you fall a certain way and if you kind of lean into the fall and almost pour yourself into the fall, then you can turn the fall into a roll and suddenly all of that energy you though you were losing, all of that posture that was going away, that terror of losing your balance becomes replaces with contentment that you will recoup that energy.
After enough practice the act of falling gets turned into rotational kinetic energy that you then learn to use to stand yourself right back up.
After thousands of repetitions you start to feel just as comfortable upside down as you do standing up.
Suddenly you see life as a series of small opportunities instead of setbacks.
Now I don't know if I'm Manic depressive or autistic or some combination of things but Aikido greatly helped me with emotional self mastery. I've learned that my own emotional equilibrium is often not worth getting all bent out of shape over.
Now I want to say that all of these lessons came from me just falling on my ass and standing back up but there was one other element that was of vital importance to me and that was the lesson of letting things happen.
You see, in Aikdio, most of the energy of a technique come from the person attacking you. Think of it this way, when you attack, you often concentrate your focus on one point and this focus can be used against you as the attacker. In many ways it's like how a bullfighter fights a bull by drawing the bull's focus to the cape and stepping aside. If the bull was more calm it would be more difficult to manipulate. When one is hyper focused anything outside of your focus will feel like it came out of left field.
So you could say that I was quite surprised when one day (and this was quite out of character so I think I might have been bored) I decided to try to actually punch my sensei as part of a training exercise and wound up flat on my ass for my effort. I remember too that I really wanted to punch him too and that was why I was thrown so far. No it wasn't as punishment. I remeber when I started throwing my real punch that my sensei's face lit up with this huge smile of relief!
"Finally!" His expression said to me.
"Finally I get to do a real throw!"
This was when I learned that the power of the throw came from the attacker and the more blind and full of rage my foe, the harder I could punish him. More accurately it taught me the the angrier I was the easier I could be distracted deceived or punished for my lack of awareness.
This lesson taught me that I was at my most vulnerable when I was angry or at least when I was hyper focused on one outcome. It also helped may me more sympathetic to the anger of others and to the frustration that causes such anger and it also allowed me to process the anger of others more easily without myself also becoming angry.
Anger comes first from a sense of loss. So often times it is just better to properly grieve and to accept a loss instead of to rage over one.
Nice work in the game and in explaining you personal journey, keep the great videos coming! =D
Great video man, honestly think its one of your best! Love the deeper insight of not just persevering and conquering the mountain, but using the game as a outlet to master your emotions and further temper your resolve and outlook.
This is actually one of the rare videos of yours that managed to make me laugh on the floor. At the same time it also engaged me to hear more about your parables. Bravo!
I have always loved how you bring attention to the subject of mental illness. One game that has and always will stand out to me, as its primary focus is in fact mental illness, and treats is with the upmost respect is Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice. There handling of Psychosis was so well done, as is the game in general, I often describe the game as an amazingly unique experience in gaming, albeit unsettling due to how well done it is. Also, I have to mention Melina Juergens performance is among the best any actor or Voice actor has ever given, in a game or movie/show. Especially when you consider she was just a video editor for the company and was only standing in while they looked for an actor.
Hope you keep pumping out the great content sir, been a fan for a long time, and will continue to be.
This feels like an April's Fool
I didnt even watch two minutes of this, but I can say that this is my favourite video. You are interesting to listen even if Im not familiar with the topic, but this game I played and I agree.
16:28-17:05 This is definitely something everyone needs to hear.
...The intro...summerized my own approach to games.
Relatable sentiment friend 🤝
@@christopherlowery3797 Nice to know I am not as..."unique"...as I have felt at times.
I feel like 90s video games (Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, Megaman) were the norm, and examples of this. Despite a lot of rage quits, it helped me have the patience of coding and engineering.
16:21 + 16:38 => It seems to me like the character is washing the ladder since he performs the same movements we would do when we scrub something XD XD.
I'm genuinely afraid my autistic ass will break a controller, and I've never done that. I admire that you made it.
Heh I guess in the fighting game community, I've recognized this kind of phenomenon. Tbh... when one says "git good" this philosophy comes to mind lol
As an autistic person I also enjoy difficult games; while I wouldn’t classify Death Stranding as difficult akin to the souls franchise it’s a nice blend of difficulty that keeps you focused on what you’re doing, and has an incredible story that is just begging for your particular brand of analysis.
_Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy's_ WR is less than one minute. Mastery is rewarded.
Great video Max, I am glad that this game got to inspire you so deeply. Here another video game suggestion for you ; it is my favorite story in any form of media ever: The house in Fata Morgana (preferably dreams of the revenants edition on the switch). I have never seen a story this good and will never experience something like that ever again. Hopefully you read this comment and are prepared to give it a shot. Perhaps surprisingly, it is rated as one of the best switch games ever made and can be found in the top 25 games of all time on that website.Why you may ask? Well, it is not because of the great gameplay or innovative design I can tell you that. Rather, it is the sheer, raw beauty and tragedy expressed in its phenomenal story. Do yourself a favor and play it, you will thank me later.
Alternative Name for this Game: Becoming Sisyphos
Life is the journey, not the destination.
Even I get fustrated with hard games like this. With the annoying cheap deaths and the accidental mistakes we make in the game. Puts me in a meltdown, and start cursing like a sailor.
I always want to avoid that rage, and try to get myself into the positive side. Even if it means getting cheap deaths from enemies and bosses at times. Watching you play this game, really did inspire me to be cool with it.
as long as it's intended i can deal with that, if not tho? holy crap.
i could take losing some finely crafted boss for days on without stopping, but a couple fo deaths in dark souls 1's crystal cave due to it's shitty geodata or missing a few headshot that turn into a game loss in an fps because the netcode is bad or i was lagging? that is infuriating beyond belief.
as long as things can be analyzed, as long as i can look at something and go "Well, i cna do better next time"
that's all right.
but the moment the answer to me analyzing the question becomes "the game is just bad, and if i lost, or even worse if my team lost isn't an error i made but simply a matter of chance saying "nah, not today"
i'll just lose any interest in playing that game.
in the past i would have gotten a meltdown as max says, nowadays, i just limit myself to say "i got better things to do".
"Passivea aggressive ass" LOL
This is funny af then somebody genuinely going through it in a game 😂
i laugh from the bottom of my heart from the peace
I’m just here for the argument, I have never and will never touch this game
As someone who also has autism, I relate a lot to this because I refunded the game before getting very far in it or failing many times.
Mostly because I knew I'd get really angry, but now I kinda wanna buy it to see if I can reach the same conclusion about the connection between attachment and anger.
6:39 - I was playing Dark Souls while watching this video, and got very confused here.
I've beaten the game just a couple days and I'm at my 12th win now. I'm going for the "complete the game 50 times achievement". So far my fastest time was 23 minutes. I will say that I didn't use a tutorial for like half the game, but the other half I did ( Orange hell, though I figured out my own strat, The Hat hill jump, the Anvil jump, and the Ice Mountain).
I would say I had more of a meltdown as well as a spiritual experience with Jump King. With that said, I still like Getting Over It. I think it's a great game, but I vastly appreciate and respect Jump King more. Jump King was not only like therapy, but like I said, I had a spiritual experience with it as well. Jump King also has different things you can focus on while climbing up to the smoking hot babe at the top of the tower, something that might fit better with your autism.
Perhaps that's the difference. For Jump King, I experimented and figured out a LOT of things all on my own, but with Getting Over It, I just wanted to get it done.
So you talked about the snake at the end, and I gotta say, Jump King has something Much more interesting when it comes to surrender and letting go. I highly recommend that you play it, and not only that, I recommend that you go after the birds and and do all the side quest stuff. I think you'll see how much more deeper Jump King really is.
honestly it also seems tighter gameplay-wise, but that's just my view, everyone has preferences.
This game is to this time installed on my laptop. Tho i can rage in shooters in this game i didn't as much. And i took all achievements. For those who don't know you should go through the game 50 times. 50. And music with Foddy's commentaries didnt play on my nerves
3:30 now you understand only ptsd meltdowns.
I only get ptsd meltdows because i survive with the criminal insane.
I'll try to remember this going forward with my difficult game choices. I don't touch Souls for this reason. I could have saved my Mrs some stress over the Rat King killing me over and over last night had I just turned down the difficulty sooner...🤦♂️
snakes and ladders, the streamer edition. noice.
Now play map 2 of Pogostuck, the final boss of rage games
I was unaware that the character in this game had a name.
Surprised you didn't mention Sisyphus or Camus given the true ending. Another great video, nonetheless.
Thank you Max
Could you show us a 2 minute speed run please.
i'm actually surprised by the way that many people would think autistic people would have particular issues with managing anger in games, at least non-multiplayer ones; i've always seen autism as ove-rrationalization of problems and as such, the conclusion that getting angry at a game designed to make you angry is futile in itself if not for analyzing that very same anger would come natural to an autistic person, just like in souls games, celeste, or any other form of game where learning by messing up is of critical importance, if you're alrady used to those games as an autistic person i'd expect you would be already be able to channel the mentality of "no point wasting time on getting angry, at most, analyze why you messed up and do better, if you still feel like it of course"
it comes to a surprise then, that people and you yourself had the exact opposite expectation, seeing how i myself am on the ASD...
I love your vids. You got me to play mgs2 and it changed my life. You should watch and talk about Attack on Titan
Hey thanks for this lovely comment Lucavenn! Knowing that I could change somebody else’s life in the same way that MGS2 changed mine is the most sublime feeling. As far as Attack on Titan goes, I will inevitably watch it. Just not sure when. There are lots of other anime I still need to do videos on.
Did you ever try Pathologic?
Max, I'm glad you got important lessons from playing this nightm, I mean, game. But please don't go too far and overwork (or "orverplay"?) with games that are just difficult and frustrating just to make people feel bad.
Amazing video, thank you very much Max
9:15 - That doesn't sound right to me.
Related anxieties concerning family, my own mortality and maybe even justice/revenge against the person who shot me with an arrow would surely more likely serve to motivate me further to seek medical help, get up and move forwards - not paralyse me in frustration over the possibilities? Especially the concern about others relying on you, if anything that might numb the pain & frustration.
Well. I guess you do have to be a zen Buddhist monk to succeed in this game huh?
Beautiful
I love your voice.
May I say that your voice reminds me of Sheldon's (in The Big Bang Theory)?
It's neither a compliment, nor an offense, just a remark / opinion...
Brilliant video.
As always, interesting to watch thanks for the vid
Why a snake though? Is it a reference to the snake in the garden of eden or the symbol for eternity?
Yo this game is epic
Do legacy of Kain Defiance!!
I just want to know why he's in a bucket of water
I LOVE GETTING OVER IT
I remember beating this game, very good imo but holy hell it’s annoying.
Ooh, ooh, do tekken 8 next !!!!!
I KNEW IT!!!
Play ff14 to endwalker I know you can speed run the story to analysis especially shadowbringers to endwalker
Wasn't even hard
I got my golden pot boiii
❤
Ahh, talking about the game and playing the game feel like is not the same game, sidenote, when do we get a less than 30 min Get over it from Max?
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That sounds like awful advice.
Disliked and unsuscribed. I appreciate your analysis, but the moment at 2:56 really hurt me. You tought it was funny, but it wasnt. Try it yourself with headphones on.
Change doesn't happen overnight. I have to remind myself of that all the time whenever I give in to my anger.
Thank you for admitting that. I have the same problem sometimes.
Wow, I had no clue about the autism, & in the time between me binging your vids (tho not the oldest ones clearly) and now, I got an OCD diagnosis. Obv not the same thing, but I always got the feeling you saw things similarly to how I did. I’m sure part of that’s just good taste 😁 but the dissective approach to media in general is very relatable, & it kinda makes me see my own issue as less of a detriment. Thank you 🙏
Every bit of advice here is gonna help me so much too btw, I’ve finally gotten into Soulsbornes & I have an issue with meltdowns as well (though I don’t know if I knew to diagnose it as such). I still prefer headier story-centric stuff, but that’s just bc I’m not particularly good with patience.
I’ll grab this game too, it actually looks pretty enjoyable in the way something like Snowrunner & Death Stranding…tho it looks a lot more punishing too. Maybe it’ll train me for the Soulsbornes? 😅
…Not beating it twice tho, you’ve got some superpowers to do that. I’d have never touched it if you’d have not condoned it, however, so thanks for putting a spotlight on it ❤
This reminds me of a time where I feel I had a glimpse of this peace. I was riding the train to meet my girlfriend in Wales. I was stressing about the time the train arrives that I need and potential delays I was unsteady and anxious about people being near me I stressed about possibly leaving my bags at certain points in my journey and the thought they'd be stolen and i would sit restless thinking my wallet my phone would be pickpocketed on the way to her. Being a paranoid person this is a ritual that I face constantly. On the way as I watched the passing fields and trees go by I realised I couldn't recognise a single part of the journey I had taken hundreds of times before on the train and I looked at the next stop and it was unrecognisable. I could feel my tension rising as one of my fears has been realised so I got off and began to panic while trying to text my girlfriend I had made an error on the way while approaching the next stop texting her on my very slow phone. I got off and could feel anger and fear bloom from that cesspit of anxiety. My thoughts were flooded with scenarios of what ifs. What if I'm stuck here for hours what if I have to go home and miss out seeing my girlfriend what if because my girlfriend left to meet me at the station she's attacked what if she died and I was partly the cause. I couldn't get a grip so I paced back and forth the station and stood in the middle of the bridge overlooking the tracks. Then I just paused. I watched this billowing cloud of smoke from this factory wander across the sky and gentle rain began tapping the concrete floor and i began to relax and accept all the problems and let them pass as all they did was cause me suffering. I looked at the planted flowers with dancing droplets upon them and I couldn't help but think how lucky I am to observe it. I was smiling because from the moment of realisation of what error I made I cursed the town I was in but now i felt joy at being there and embracing how calm it was. I try keeping that mentally close although it does slip on occasion but I bless the fact it'll be ok. I leapt on the next train and it coincidentally would take me to the stop I desired and met my wonderful girlfriend and had a fantastic time. I wouldn't have that understanding if not for the error I made and not for winding up in Chirk.
English is not my first language so sorry for the bad grammar.
This video just came to me as a Synchronicity and Im just in Shock as this came as a Direct answer to a lot of Dilemmas Im currently having, I´ve been following your channel for a While and I really love your videos but I never though that in a Video of a Videogame I dont care much about and that seemed just very interesting , would have such a great impact , even your videos about alchemy and other related topics in which I had more interest, I never had an Eureka moments like in this one . Thank you Max
Dude, that video destroyed my stress. I was tight like violin string for couple of weeks, one bad move and pop. Thank you.
For some reasonI always come back to a Princess Carolyn moment from season 1 of Bojack Horseman. "Today I choose to be happy"
Hearing Max talk shit to the narrator just made my day 🤌🤌🤣🤣
Truly a moment of mindfulness
I find it strange that we could be overstimulated by a video game at all. My overstimulation problems are only brought on by human interaction, especially representatives of bureaucracy or a corporation since they often refuse to let themselves be an individual person and instead use their position and regulations as a protective shield to purposely avoid being an individual person. The refusal to interact with me as two individuals talking, instead making themselves a non-human part of some amalgamated collective, sends me into rage mode.
Video games have certainly frustrated me, but they have never triggered overstimulation. 🦊🐾
here's the key to unlocking that overstimulation of rage in games: multiplayer games, especially team based games.
that being said, the only other form of overstimulation i ever get from games is dopamine addiction, as the rush from beating a hard challenge or just letting my laziness get through is addictive.
still, outside those desires, i'm surprised autistic people like me seem to have issues with applying logic to games and i wonder why, as the whole reason i love games so much is the fact that i can eviscerate their inner workings and explain them, whenever something happens that i like or dislike there's always a reason in games, ad while irl it might be far too hard to pinpoint a reason for something happening, in videogames, no matter how hard, eventually you'll find a reason and consequently, a solution.
...lag aside, which is why lag/bad netcode and similar coding mishaps are the only things that truly anger me in games, in the case they lead to a failure.
anything else can be rationalized and improved upon after all.
Despite its qualities, I think we can all agree that this will likely go down as one of those games that's almost exclusively known for RUclips reaction videos, like FNAF 😅
It's right in the title. You just have to learn to "get over it." There's something about this game that I admire. At the time of writing this I've beaten it at least 14 times (yes I am aiming for that achievement where you beat the game 50 times) and after I beat it the first time I started to listen in more to what Bennett was saying with each playthrough and I started appreciating the things he was saying more and more. He does have a lot of good points. Heck I even think this game might have helped a bit with my depression. I can guarantee that though it may depend on what kind of a person you are there's a chance that if you do climb that mountain all the way to the top, even once. It might make you feel better.
Yeah I remember them but I just remember the MGS videos first way before that.
I need to peep the mental health vids, I think I caught all his game content in a playlist & missed out some really good shit! Did see the analysis of the biblical content at least, very interesting stuff. Wish I had this level of patience & wisdom myself!
Miss the podcast for sure.
8:20 Oh these arrows.. "Land of Lustrous" flashbacks. I forgot about them completely.
also jojo
but ye houseki is good shit
Great video.
MAX, SILENT HILL THE SHORT MESSAGE JUST GOT A SURPRISE RELEASE AND SILENT HILL 2 REMAKE GOT A GAMEPLAY TRAILER. YOU NEED TO DO A VIDEO ON SOMETHING ABOUT ONE OF THESE TOPICS
I’m on it bro. I promise.
perhaps im an oddball but i can't remember my anger at this game anymore, i journeyed to get 50 clears for the achievement and golden pot, and i kept playing after that, now i have 100 hours in it just from playing it leisurely. it honestly is kind of meditative
The funny thing is there are monks who meditate by staying angry 24/7.
@@BlackSun6393 reminds me of the d&d trope of the barbarian monk...
might try to mke that myself one day.
god gamer!!! now play Sekiro
Thanks for doing this video, Max.
I brought getting over it years ago but let frustration (about a third of the way through the game) stop me playing and uninstalled the game.
This video inspired me to give it another go. A week later and I've completed the game (and then again, and a third time). While there are moments of intense frustration along the way it eventually gave way to an odd feeling of calm. Finishing the game a second time (in under an hour compared to the 10+ for the first completion) definitely provoked some introspection for me. Probably not an experience I would have had without this video so wanted to pass on my thanks.
I feel like all the philosophy on failure of this game end up getting sidestepped by me because here I instead enjoy the process, the physics of the hammer and the cauldron. "Failing" here means I get to mess around with all of those interesting sections of the game's level again, and that just makes me happy and entertained instead lol
Max is now an official jojo reference ❤
This video game makes you learn patience, indeed. But, honestly, how come such a game exists? I mean isn't it dumb / weird or whatever, to actually play a guy in a cauldron, using a hammer to move?? Btw, I feel dizzy when playing this kind of games, even though I don't feel dizzy IRL, that's odd. In video games, I'm always ill at ease when we have to jump and so on... I'm afraid of falling XD.
"I can summon an NPC, or a real life friend"
Maybe it's my autism but I found that hilarious
On a serious note metacognition is apparently the word for my superpower (hobby). I'm never playing this game but I've also found myself attracted to Buddhism, the discarding of delusions and attachment in order to be free.
What am I missing here?
@@QuantumTelephone Imagine it read as "an NPC, aka a real life friend "
Ahh, the masochism game genre. A popular choice for EZ content farms on Twitch and RUclips (people enjoy watching others suffer). I dislike and avoid suffering myself. So I chose to never play these games. No regrets.
Alexander the great: I'll give you anything you want, BRRO.
Diogenes: B* move out the way. You blocking my sunlight.
Really enjoying your videos, and this one stuck out to me. I enjoy hard games, but often have gotten overwhelmed with anger at them. I actually discussed this in therapy, which helped a ton. I think it's interesting that my therapist's advice was very similar to the philosophers' advice (at least mechanically), but with a very different explanation.
Basically what I learned from that is, I was looking at anger itself as a negative. Like, I don't want to feel this way, I don't want to experience the anger, and in some ways I was even scared of it, even though I'd get to that point frequently. What I learned was that the anger is there, it's a part of me, and it's not a bad thing. I learned that emotions are sort of like warning signals, which were helpful when we were cave people or hunter/gatherers, but now can misfire. So I learned to embrace the emotion, say thank you for your warning, I appreciate it, you're welcome here, and I've got this under control. It was revelatory and truly beneficial to start living that way.
I hope you can play Shin Megami Tensei IV and its sequel, Apocalypse. In SMT IV: Apocalypse there is a certain character that is called "The Arbiter" that puts you in the game to a test, where he mentions something akin to this video.
"If the soul is at peace, even in the depths of Hell shall one find comfort"
I somehow discovered you after your autism videos and didn't realize you are autistic but you made me think why I can enjoy some difficult games and others I don't. I never considered getting angry with a game (or just having enough and being tired of it) as an 'autistic meltdown' and I still kind of don't. But it is incredibly true that games that give you a way to approach from a different angle, no matter how difficult, are so much more enjoyable to me. If the game is designed well enough and it's not frustrating I don't mind it being one way to play type of a deal. At the same time too much freedom is also overwhelming (Me playing Baldur's Gate 3 when I never played these types of games)...
As for this game... I don't think it deserves the recognition it got. I'm sure there are many trash concepts like this one (If it wasn't obvious I hate this game with passion) that just faded into obscurity because they weren't picked up by content creators. Everything can be deep and philosophical enough if you obsess enough about it. With games like these, that seem to be made just to torture players with bad controls and everything, the talk about emotions and everything is just gas lighting if anything to make you believe that this is something more than it really is. And once you beat the game you are trying to find the justification, the deeper meaning to all the time and effort and nerves you've wasted on this pointless and un-enjoyable game. You want something for all that effort but in reality you've wasted time on a garbage game while you could be doing something you like.
I have also been diagnosed with autism and play a lot of games people consider rage inducing. I'll curse and swear but I recognize when to stop and cool off for the most part. I've never reached a point where I might break things. Just wanted to throw that out there too.
That said I've never played Getting Over It myself, because a game being difficult because of arbitrarily awkward controls seems like it would be frustrating in the wrong way for my autism. Plus the passive aggressive sounding dialogue mentioned yes.